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Netflix Polls BitTorrent Habits of Leaving Customers

With over 10 million customers, Netflix is a huge player in the online DVD rental business in the United States. Aside from sending out DVDs by mail, customers can also stream movies directly to a wide variety of devices. Despite these services, there are still plenty of people who cancel their accounts. Just for the record, Netflix wants to know through a survey if they are perhaps ‘pirates’.

netflixHollywood often blames BitTorrent sites and other file-sharing platform for billions of dollars of annual lost revenue. Perhaps unsurprisingly, this alleged hit is not felt in all sectors of the movie industry. Netflix, the leading online DVD rental company in the United States, is doing very well.

Despite a direct ‘threat’ from piracy, including many BitTorrent sites, Netflix’s revenue has been growing steadily year after year. In 2006 the company acquired a net income of $49.1 million, which more than doubled to $116 million by 2009. And this growth is not slowing down either. During the second quarter of this year Netflix booked a record-breaking income of $43.5 million.

Although business has been going well for the movie rental company, there will always be customers who decide to cancel their accounts. In common with all self respecting companies, Netflix want to find out why people cancel, and this is the reason why they present leaving customers with an interesting survey.

In the survey, Netflix asks for the reasons why the customer has chosen to leave, the likelihood that he or she will return and what their primary sources for TV-shows and movies will be in the future.

“What will be your primary source for movies and TV episodes after canceling Netflix?” the question reads.

Although this question in itself is nothing out of the ordinary, one of the response options is. Apparently Netflix sees BitTorrent sites as direct competition, and it fears that this may cause some customers to leave.

“Peer-to-peer / bit torrent sites such as Torrentz.com, Demonoid.com, Tvlinks.com, ThePirateBay.org, etc,” is one of the answers that customers can check (see below).

If chosen, the option does not trigger any follow-up questions related to BitTorrent, so the information they gather is not very elaborate. It would be interesting, however, to see how canceling subscribers answer the question above. How many would pick the peer-to-peer option? Perhaps more importantly, how is this information going to change Netflix’s business strategy?

Thanks Dylan.

Netflix’s cancellation survey

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  • ron

    Is this really worth an article?

    We want real news! Raids, take downs and inside scoops.

  • http://torrentfreak.com Ernesto

    @ron

    We have to write something if there are no big scoops :) Hope you understand. Raids can get quite depressing after a while too.

  • lawl

    @Ron

    It shows that there is an ongoing interest in p2p by media companies.

    Thanks Ernesto.

  • Chris

    Its important to see the little bits of the big picture as well as the headline grabbing news. Attitudes are just as important as action when it comes to political issues such as this.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    @2,
    Perhaps coverage of RIAA, IFPI etc as well MPAA people getting mugged, beatup, “popped” etc then?

    That would certainly be as good as an anti-depressant to a lot of folk :))
    and would certainly brighten up my day/s.

    And if thats not happening… well, people- get your ass moving!!!

    The above is in jest of course. MAFIAA: please dont force the Swedish govt. to extradite me on terrorist charges.

  • entropy
  • wait

    #4: That mentality is poor. Hoping that people get mugged, beaten up or otherwise harmed because they possess an opposing view is the same mentality of racism and bigotry.

    While I don’t agree with how the various industries are approaching file sharing and online downloading, having people say things like you said works against everything the peer-2-peer communities are working towards.

  • Widget

    To be honest, I don’t really care if you guys don’t push at least one article per day. If you guys had put in some of the statistics they gathered, it might have been worth publishing, but otherwise it doesn’t really seem so. (Also, wasn’t your feedburner number around 1019k before?)

  • theDog

    What’s more disturbing is the answer “Bootleg DVDs”.
    If I select that will they raid my house??

  • Booger Bender

    Thanks Ernesto for the article. Well said. I know and understand most TF readers love Take-downs and other such kick ass articles in which TF writes. The reason this is Interesting to me is because, as a Deaf guy this is insulting to be asked why leave netflix when the obvious answer speaks for itself. Netflix does not support Deaf/International culture. Though they did caption some of their content. it’s probably to skirt some of the law to caption “all” content. I’ve seen their excuses for years why they can’t caption and yet; we have Universal Subtitles project which allows not only Deaf people to enjoy cinema with the rest of the majority of Film followers the International audience is just as important.

    Netflix refuses to recognize that we have free/open-source subtitling options which the project goals are to caption the entire Internet; simply because big corporations won’t part with their income.

  • Anonymous

    @everyone using the word “racism”

    You use the word so much, I don’t think you know what it means.

  • Poor guy

    Why isn’t there a “can no longer afford because I lost my job” button?.

  • lol

    Listing the actual URLs doesnt seem like the best idea..

    seems like a perfect way to tell them about other services on there way out.

  • other options

    How about an Other field? Aside from loss of income, perhaps the movies are getting worse (in whatever fashion) and you would rather stick with your personal library, supplementing it from time to time with purchases from various sales, etc. Or for that matter, you are just tired of the service…?

  • Anonymous

    I doubt many Netflix users cancel due to torrents or even Usenet. With the economy doing so badly, they probably cancel because they lost their job.

  • Seeder

    i like this article.

  • Jen

    Why do they all write it “bit torrent”

    should i start saying “net flix”

  • Anonymous

    The only service like netflix which I would never leave for torrents is Steam. I don’t mind paying a bit of money, usually no more than £10 for the ability to play online. There is nothing good about netflix, you can get better quality TV shows elsewhere.

    Also @ron, there is nothing wrong with this article. The website is called TORRENTfreak and they are reporting on a TORRENT-related article.

  • ahem

    Someone very close to me prefers netflix on demand over torrents and everything else, its like 10 bucks a month for piece of mind. And I say “Great! You should support them, they were responsible for blockbuster crashing”
    At least the survey gives demonoid some free advertisement, especially to a person who didnt know about it before.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the article.
    Its nice to know that the industry is finally recognizing that we have moved past their outdated bussines model.

  • Nobody

    Just speaking for myself of course.

    Personally, I downloading various things all the time, my torrent client runs pretty much 24/7. (In fact, now that Linux has a server version of sorts, I’m tempted to move mine off my desktop to my Linux box.)

    But I also subscribe to Netflix and use it all the time. 9 bucks a month and I get more on demand video than the traditional pay channels, plus I can watch it in multiple locations.. my big screen, occasionally on my desktop, and once in a while on my tablet. Especially the older stuff, every month they’re adding something I’ve not seen in a while, wouldn’t have thought of downloading, and “Hey, I could watch that again.” It’s a pretty good deal for me.

  • Duane

    I, for one, like this type of article. It’s a lot more thought-provoking than hearing about crappy raids by bought governments all the time.

    As for Netflix’s survey, isn’t that question kind of pointless? They could get 100% people saying their primary source for movies is bittorrent, but there’s no way to know it wasn’t the same way earlier as well.

    They should be conducting two surveys, one which asks current customers their watching habits, and one asking the same question to the leaving customers. If there are discrepancies between the two surveys, then they can point fingers.

  • the united hackers association

    i cant tel you how utterly stupid you are by even taking any surveys but doing this one will and should just have you shot, the net dont need idiot for brains file sharers and it needs morons even less.

    JUST SHOOT IDIOTS
    remove them form gene pool

  • Anonymous

    Dude, did you need to make an article for this??

    OT: Do they report this to MAFIAA?

  • Hannah

    Cynic’s view: “You’re quitting Netflix? Well darn, that sucks. We wouldn’t want you to enrichen the competition, so here’s a bunch of torrent sites listed for your convenience instead.”

  • Daniel

    a better question to ask would be can they be done for promoting copyright infringement as not only are they pointing out you can get movies on bittorrent but some sites to go to and I can not see any where on that survey pointing out its illegal

  • ThorntonWilde

    “Lost my job” and “My local public and University libraries provide the same materials” would be valid options.

    Great article.

  • Robert

    How nice of them to provide a list of addresses for people. :)

  • me

    I recently cancelled my online movie rental subscription, although not because I wanted to get everything for free.
    The problem is that the blu ray discs I was renting all came with hdcp and it was always a bit of a gamble if I could bypass this ‘protection’ and play the disc on my non-hdcp compatible computer.

    In the end I chose piracy simply because it was much more user fiendly, a conclusion I came to after trying for over 3 hours with no success to get the avatar disc to play.

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  • teknologikl

    stupid that they are giving the URLs out.

  • anonymous

    best answer is to say nothing, refusing the survey completely. next best answer is to tell them to f**k off and mind their own business!

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  • Fork

    As an avid bittorrent user, I’m looking forward to NetFlix coming to Canada because I want higher quality downloads.

    Not that I don’t go to movies (I do – I spend $1000-1500 per year), or I don’t buy movies (I spend over $1000 per year), but I’m just a big movie fan and access to more media is all I care about.

    So, when Netflix comes to Canada this fall, I’ll subscribe to it. Not that I can’t get access to free stuff online, but I want a better quality signal with more selection. I really don’t care to own movies of sub-standard quality. The good ones I own. But there are a lot of movies I want to see so I’ll DL them then delete. My busy life doesn’t have time to search 10 video stores for a particular movie. Hence why I DL movies via torrents.

    And if movie companies had a similiar tech I could pay a buck or two do DL and watch a good quality movie with everything I’d want to see, I’d pay it. But no, they’re to frackin busy trying to implement digital locks and bite the hand that feeds them…

  • Nutman

    Haha that’s funny that they are giving free advertising for torrent sites to all their ex customers who will now be looking for new ways to get movies.

    Also gotta love the bootleg DVD choice.

  • Billy

    @9 I’ve read through all these comments and nobody has used the word
    “racism”. What the hell are you talking about?

    On a side note,

    If Netflix ends up pushing toward the Peer-to-Peer concept of delivering movies I think it will turn out to be very profitable.

  • Anonymous

    wonder how many people think ohh i will go look at those websites it mentioned if they are a source of tv.

    free advertising for the torrent sites ftw \o/

  • Anonymous

    Free?! It’s for me. I’ll take three.

  • BAGaVID

    Articles like these are needed to further inform ourselves and others. Yes a take down of servers or raids is good reading but is that really why we come to TF?

    Nice article and looking at the profits of NF it just proves yet again that if you have a good and fair business model you can easily prosper in the online world of streaming. About time certain hollyweird companies got it together to realise what we actually want.

  • 192.168.7.87

    WHY isn’t peer-to-peer at the top of the list?? Kind of insulting, isn’t it?
    Anyway, I doubt anyone will be stupid enough to check the P2P box! (there should be a checkbox next to a line that reads “It’s none of your g0ddamm3d business, Netflixx”)

  • netflix just won’t listen

    I cancelled my account for the very specific reason that, for streaming movies, Microsoft’s Silverware (or whatever it’s called) is required, which does not work with my OS (hint: not Windows).

    Netflix is under no obligation to accommodate Linux users. But if they don’t care about us, then we have no reason to continue giving them money.

    To be honest, I’m sure they don’t miss me, and I don’t miss them at all.

  • Ninja

    I’d love if Netflix or a similar existed here. Unfortunately it won’t exist due to cultural issues.

    In any case, it’s interesting to see they are aware of P2P as a competitor simply because it’s true. So why ppl will choose to pay for their service? Cheap, fast, reliable and available. It’s that simple. If you succeed into implementing those 4 characteristics into your media products ppl will pay.

    I know I will, I already buy stuff the way things are, imagine cheaper stuff…..

  • Because You Can’t Torrent Beer

    Netflix is for n0obs who don’t know their way around the Internet. Sure it’s way cheaper than cable if you don’t care about sports but why pay $10 per month for content that you will never own, is only available at their discretion, and only if you have an Internet connection.

    What about content that you want to watch that they don’t offer?

    What if you go on a trip and the place you’re staying at doesn’t have Internet service or they charge a ridiculous connection fee?

    What if you want to convert content to your phone or tablet?

    Last but not least, what if you want to watch the same content in HD? Owning all your own content is hands down the best option.

    A 2TB Western Digital Elements external hard drive only costs $100. Get a few of those and go nuts. Get a WD Media Player and you’re set for HDMI/optical TV playback. Then when you’re ready for the next step, invest in a HD HTPC and some 2TB 7200 RPM Seagate internal hard drives to go inside.

    Sure hardware costs more up front but you can enjoy it for years to come without it being a continual drain on your finances.

    Maybe it’s just me but I hate monthly charges however small. I have a jailbroken/unlocked iPhone with a prepaid $100, 1000 minute plan that can last up to a year and can be extended for additional years with the purchase any extra minutes as low as $10. I also have a Skype app to make VOIP calls when I’m around wifi… Ok I’m way off topic. ^^ pz

  • Because You Can’t Torrent Beer

    Oh btw, TMobile offers that cell plan. It’s not well advertised but it’s available on request for those of us who don’t use many minutes. Now I’m completely abusing the forum.

  • User

    We want real news! Raids, take downs and inside scoops.

    Seriously? You want that?

    I wish TorrentFreak.com had nothing but new sites and stuff like this to write about.

  • David

    If Netflix was in my country, I would subscribe to them instead of downloading my shows and movies.

    Too bad its in the United States.

  • Anonymous

    They should not be asking these questeds,other then to tell someone else or try to compete witch they cant sorry

  • just-wondering

    Why isn’t I go to the local library listed?

    All information should be free… that’s why the library was made to begin with.

  • Nash

    Great that netflix is teaching everyone some of the best links for free stuff :D

  • Matt

    Netflix is the best Anti Piracy company there is becuse if Im watcching Netflix streaming video in my living room on the Wii Im not pirating other movies and TV shows ;) …

  • Shamus McFartfinger

    @41 A man after my own heart. :) With the right boards (lots of sata ports) and big cases you can build a great media server. FWIW, I’ve got about 25TB online (file server and backup file server) and I’ve got more drives ready to slot in when my 12v Y-splitters turn up. Looking forward to having XBMC on the PS3.

    Back on topic.. a good article, as always. I also find things like this interesting.

  • khjg

    NOW THIS IS A TF ARTICLE….

  • Anonymous

    @41

    “Netflix is for n0obs who don’t know their way around the Internet.”

    “What if you go on a trip and the place you’re staying at doesn’t have Internet service or they charge a ridiculous connection fee?”

    What if your ISP has a bandwidth cap and there’s no competition in your area? Can’t download many Blu-ray images before you hit it.

  • Cujo

    Netflix is a very good example of how we beat those big industry greedy basterds down on thier knees ,, good work everyone ;)

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  • JJJ

    @19
    I agree with you, I just signed up with Netflix about a month or two ago and it’s great. And I agree with the free advertising. lol

  • Vibius

    Im about to cancel because they censor things. Which is why I left Blockbuster. Watch the Southpark DVD where Indy is raped like Jodie Foster was. Cant find it? Because ITS BEEN EDITED!

    This is probably my last month.

  • Anonymous

    Interstingly enough, I dont see much coverage of this in the Unites States media. About torents, that is. I suppose leaving people in the dark is the best way to take advantage of them in the end. YOu would think that if all the affiliates, such as NBC, CBS, ABC were very worried about it, they would definatley talk about it more.Since they do have the soap box from which to preach. I once again have to say “Its just not common knowledge” Same goes for wireless routers etc. Most people DO NOT KNOW how easily it is to be hiojacked or have their internet used for pirates. Therefore, I do not think ANY case should be held up in a court of law. Im sick of the “ignorance in law is no excuse” when they do not post the information. And make the laws transparent. Its easier to find a torrent than it is to find a law about them. <-make sense?

  • neb

    So much BS in this thread.
    I wonder how much Netflix pays for the rights to distribute the movies?
    My guess is nothing.
    Most torrent sites employ a Netflix “popunder” once you visit thier site.
    So much BS.

    I thought you folks are “Torrentfreaks”.

    These “mafia” mofos should charge the ISP like the pron phone sex do the phone company.

    Torrentz aren’t free. One way or the other, you pay, period.

  • Anonymous

    How about I canceled it because they play just about all the same movies on-demand on the stars channel! I have just about every channel cable offers with a DVR, netflix, I rent from blockbuster and I download torrents. Sometimes there just isn’t anything on! “My Girlfriend has M.S. so I constantly try and find her new stuff to watch. I have thought about canceling it cause it doen’t have enough streaming variety but I haven’t yet.

  • Chris

    tvlinks.com doesn’t work (timeout).

    http://TV-DUMP.org does.
    Streams + downloads. Free.

  • MM

    Netflicks cant compete with BT simply because the major companies wont allow them to stream their content and compete in the digital age. Crappy local VOD and limited netflicks will never truly compete…

  • Monster

    I guess at the very least it means that Netflicks at leasts understands the world we live in.

    Something that is very rare in the “entertainment industry”.

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