Neutralize UK File-Sharing Legal Threats – Join TalkTalk
Written by enigmax on January 29, 2010This week the condemnation of file-sharing “legal blackmail” lawyers ACS:Law has been widespread, with extremely harsh words coming from the country’s House of Lords. Despite this the law firm are unrepentant and say they will persist with their campaign. It is, however, possible to immunize your family from this growing threat.
Ever since they first reared their heads in the UK file-sharing sphere, lawyers ACS:Law have been raising eyebrows. The tiny law firm, which took over the business of chasing alleged file-sharers from Davenport Lyons, have been steeped in controversy, making countless false accusations, misleading statements and even committing copyright infringement themselves. They have even recently dropped many cases because they were going nowhere.
Although there has been some mainstream news coverage in the past, this week the press have really stepped up, helped along by the UK Lords who labeled the ACS:Law scheme “legal blackmail” – not exactly a shining endorsement.
Nevertheless, ACS:Law owner Andrew Crossley has stood his ground, telling the media that his campaign will continue. Following criticism that so far he has taken a grand total of zero cases to court, Crossley told the BBC that cases are pending.
“It has been said that we have no intention of going to court but we have no fear of it,” he said.
While Crossley may not be scared of taking a couple of cut and dried cases of infringement against minnows to court to prove his point, it’s not entirely true that in all cases he has no fear of a court battle. In the words of the Lords, Crossley is engaged in a bullying scheme and, like all bullies, when the big boys step up to fight, the bullies shrink away.
On November 19th at the Royal Courts of Justice in London, Crossley made NPO (Norwich Pharmacal Order) applications to force ISPs to hand over the names and addresses of subscribers the company claims had infringed their client’s rights. The NPO’s related to approximately 25,000 IP addresses harvested from UK ISP BT’s customer base and a further 5,000 from various other ISPs, covering approximately 291 movie titles. The order was granted and ACS:Law are now chasing these individuals for cash payments of around £500 each.
Someone present at the hearing provided TorrentFreak with information which suggested that several ISPs including Be, O2, BT, Plusnet, Enternet and Kingston were not opposed to the court order forcing them to hand over their customers’ private details to ACS:Law.
However, UK ISP Tiscali, whose customers had also been caught up in the ACS:Law dragnet, were strangely dropped from the court order. “Not seeking against Tiscali (previously respondent #8 in the application),” said the comment.
Tiscali were bought by TalkTalk for £236m last year. TalkTalk, as everyone must know by now, are absolutely against elements of the Digital Economy Bill and are refusing to sell their customers down the river on mere allegations of file-sharing. Could they be standing up to ACS:Law too?
We contacted TalkTalk and their response proved very interesting indeed.
“TalkTalk is the only major ISP which has refused to divulge customers’ information to lawyers pursuing alleged copyright infringers. We have held this position since the issue came into view and we continue to stick by this policy,” Andrew Heaney, TalkTalk’s executive director of strategy and regulation told TorrentFreak.
“If we are ever ‘instructed’ to disconnect or throttle a customer who has not been found guilty in a court of law, we will refuse to do so and challenge the instruction through the courts if necessary,” he added.
So, while the above-mentioned ISPs – and BT in particular – are collectively handing over thousands of their customers to be “legally blackmailed” by ACS:Law, TalkTalk will not and are prepared to fight for the rights of their customers.
TorrentFreak contacted BeingThreatened, a consumer group assisting those wrongfully accussed by ACS:Law.
“What the public want to see is a clear commitment from ISPs that they will protect their customers from the actions of these overly-litigious lawyers exploiting legal loopholes to demand money using groundless threats of court action. Given the tens of thousands of letters that have already been sent and the massive heartache caused as a result of this scheme, BeingTheatened would expect to see a concrete commitment from all ISPs,” spokesman James Bench told us.
“After all, TalkTalk’s stated position merely reflects the view of the wider industry (as stated by the ISPA) that the ‘evidence’ presented by these companies is unreliable,” he added.
“We are happy to see that one company has indicated an apparent willingness to display a degree of corporate integrity in looking after the data that its customers entrust to it and not to make this available to anyone that simply asks for it,” he concluded.
So, if you and your family are looking for an ISP run by people who are prepared stand up for your rights, look no further than TalkTalk. While Mr Crossley may not fear going to court against a lowly individual, it seems incredibly unlikely that he’ll take on TalkTalk’s lawyers.
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106 Responses
Looks like i will be leaving crappy BT then
And i am not at all interested in article because i am from india
fuck you acs scum
and ill be leaving BE
Bit pissed off with Enternet and the way that they seem to be a complete push over and corporate whore. Stand the fuck up for your customers.
Thank God I was with Tiscali (now TalkTalk).
VPN itshidden.com = Problem solved
I was about to change from BT to Sky’s package. Seems like we have a winner… TalkTalk.
Calling TalkTalk right now.
Not only should you sign up with TalkTalk if you want to protect yourself from the blackmail and insecurity, you should also do it as a means of supporting TalkTalk’s important stance here.
Finally a company that is not willing to assist in the blackmail of their own customers!
Im already with them, glad to see they are standing up to the criminals who try to extort from the old and the weak.
I´m on talk talk. Gr8
My brother canceled his BT crap membership and called TalkTalk today to change, lol. Good news.
No mention of Orange in there (been a customer with them since the days of Freeserve)
When will the IP industry learn? Their old business models don’t work anymore, and were only ever supportable through artificially limiting the supply and by less than honest price fixing practices.
Now, with the advent of new technologies like bittorrent, the supply has become effectively infinite, and the price has become a non-factor.
The IP industry needs to accept that they can’t make the same amount of money that they used to. They need to understand that and stop trying to punish the people who only want access to the culture they live in. Contriving to pass laws that only serve to uphold an artificial monopoly, and using their not inconsiderable wealth and power to punish people for not following their rules. Rules put into place with bias representation not supporting public interest.
If the industry ran their own file sharing website, they should be able to generate just as much traffic as places like TPB and the old Mininova did. They might not make untold billions, but then they wouldn’t carry the same costs as the traditional distribution methods.
This article, and many like it, are an example of how far their false authority has crept into the places of power throughout our nations. They are quickly moving towards a terminal position, where people will be forced either into subservience or rebellion.
While I lack the motivation to act out with violence now, I can say that won’t be the case if I, or any of my loved ones, are targeted.
I am not some helpless child, nor am I a political incompetent. I will take the fight to them in ways they can’t imagine. A social network driven hate campaign which would make Hitler look a pacifist. A legal offensive to halt all progress in the courts. Appeals to the local congressionals and the district courts. I’ll follow it through to the supreme court if I have to, and I’ll make such a drama of it that the publicity will make any ruling but one in my favor political suicide for all parties involved. I’ll have friends in the IRS rip apart their finances, looking for anything I can use for leverage. I’ll push for sympathetic articles on victims of their tyranny. And finally, I’ll never stop until I’ve purged this cancerous legion from our society.
Wonder how many scammy US firms with friends inside ISP companies are extracting log data to pretend representation and blackmail people.
Lol,
While most ISP’s are busy shooting themselves in their feet, talktalk are busy expanding their customer base.
All they had to do is promise to protect their customers, not sell them out, and bigger profits will follow!
Wow! Obvious but surprisingly refreshing business sense! =)
Whilst I like the fact that TalkTalk are standing up for their customers rights, I couldn’t live with a 40Gb cap, or with their aggressive traffic shaping policies…
even if 1 out of every 25 pay these scumbags it would mean a payout of half a million pounds!
Talk about a nice rich scam just waiting to be legally executed… and as lawyers, the scummiest kind, it was not a hard step for them to take.
Kudos to Talk Talk, if I were in the UK I would def change to them in a heartbeat, but for now I’ll just forward this article to my pals there.
Again I repeat, good job TT – stand my your customers, the people who put food on your table, and they will stand by you.
I’m all for TalkTalk. Hope the influx of new members don’t disrupt the services. I’m going to join them when I get home…
It’s not about filesharing. It’s about privacy.
ACS:Law need to be punished for their legal blackmail, along with BT for not standing up for their paying customer.
If more and more people now leave BT, it will be too late for them to stand up for our behalf. The damage has already been done. BT’s rep will be in ruins. Less people will sign up with them, as more people become aware of this. Plus their Broadband packages are extortion rate anyway.
Does this apply to all carphone warehouse and AOL internet packages as well? as they are all owned by the carphone warehouse….
Yeah, it would be nice to be able to reward TalkTalk for the stance their taking, but their service is just too substandard.
I’ll be switching from TalkTalk to O2 Broadband next month despite this news. 40GB cap, no thanks. P2P throttling? No thanks.
A shame Talk Talk can be really quite rubbish in their own way though. You get what you pay for, and that doesn’t include a pleasant service when something goes wrong.
But I shouldn’t rant about my connection here..
@Rabbit80 they have a unlimited pack on offer too. Cheaper than BT too.
Be VERY careful going to TalkTalk. I left them for Sky and am VERY happy I did so. They throttle (“shape”) relentlessly. Sky doesn’t give a sh*t, they let you do whatever you want without interfering if you pay the bill.
I was with Tiscali too, now on TalkTalk.
Really glad to see them standing up to this and I’ll be staying with them for this reason. The only downside is that Tiscali offered umlimited usage wheras TalkTalk monthly limit.
TalkTalk offer unlimited broadband package as well as the 40GB cap.
If you just read emails and watch a couple of youtube videos then it’s no point getting unlimited.
They also have local/national landline and international free call offer as well.
@21
I’m an ex-Sky customer. They failed to offer *any* resistance* to ACS:Law, agreeing to release data before to them before it even got to a court room. Dropped them as quickly as I could.
Finally some praise for Tiscali :)
I’ve been with them for ages, and to be fair, I don’t get the greatest speeds. In fact I was considering switching, but I think now I’ll wait it out until this whole thing blows over.
sign up with talktalk? great if you enjoy being throttled to 1k/s during the day. :C
Sorry but you’ve been played by Talk Talk. If they recieve a court order requesting details for a civil case they still have to give them under UK law, just like every other ISP.
What Talk Talk are doing is not giving details away when simply contacted with a letter of allegation from rights holders etc. Pretty much every ISP does this apart from those who signed up to the MoU with the industry a while back and all they do is pass on letters. NOTHING that means the ISP will disconnect you.
Talk Talk are a terrible heavily throtled ISP who are far from suitable for people interested in filesharing. They have also been found guilty of ‘slamming’ whereby they change your telephone provider without telling the customer.
Ok to browse during peak hours 6pm to 11pm (7 days a week).
Any other time it’s super fast. Do your streaming/downloading outside of these hours and you’ll love it.
Whoever you choose as your ISP you still need to protect yourself further. Paying for a vpn for p2p and having a SSL Usenet news provider account are well worth the few quid they cost compared to being charged hundreds if not thousands by racketeers and all the grief that would incur.
im using them atm
“TalkTalk is the only major ISP which has refused to divulge customers’ information to lawyers pursuing alleged copyright infringers. We have held this position since the issue came into view and we continue to stick by this policy,” Andrew Heaney, TalkTalk’s executive director of strategy and regulation told TorrentFreak.
WRONG! TalkTalk sold my details, along with many others, to Davenport Lyons in 2008. They new very well what was going on then but did nothing to stop it. Dont believe a word. Its a sales ploy.
what ta do if u get a letter from a corperate flunky:
tear it up and throw it in the garbage ;)
way to go standing up to the cartels.
http://www.shareVirus.com ed2k/kad :-)
Its sad to see that terrorist such as these are not dealt with in a quick and painless manor..
Is there a way to put ACS:Law behind bars? Isn’t this a scheme? Why hasn’t anybody tried to !@#$ them yet?
Can’t wait for someone to tear them down.
Talk Talk here i come!
@33 (DL victim)
Notice the “since this came into view”. It hasn’t always been a policy of theirs and he says as much.
Probably DL featuring on Watchdog that did it. Either that or the Digital Economy Bill.
Lets hope they have the cajones to take this as far as the EU courts if challenged.
Great! When do they start service in Afghanistan?
Tiscali & tt both have really shitty networks; your only going to get upset if you try to p2p on them. At the end of the day, just get a vpn then you don’t really have to worry about your isp handing over your details.
At the end of the day, just get a vpn then you don’t really have to worry about your isp handing over your details until your neighbor uses you wifi.
At the end of the day, just get a vpn then you don’t really have to worry about your isp handing over your details until your neighbor uses your wifi.
I,ve been with TalkTalk for several months now and am entirely happy with their services.
I’ve never seen a denegration of speeds day or night.
Imagine this: You’re a business that suddenly has fifty percent of its customer base walk out and not come back.
Fact: Leave the Quizlings and go to TalkTalk–that will hurt all the others’ bottom line so badly so quickly that they’ll never knuckle-under to the lawyers ever again.
Money is power–show YOUR power. (Your money isn’t much by itself but multiplied by all your neighbours equals a humongus amount of power.)
If after that, TalkTalk gives out your info then everyone pick another IP to go to and bring TalkTalk to it’s knees.
This is how you’ll win this battle with the Ips.
Certainly looking into joining TalkTalk now.
See? This crap is already losing the ISPs all it’s customers.
@39 penumbra
Yeah sorry my mistake. I should of read it more thoroughly. I suppose I’m still angry at TalkTalk.
@2 Just because you are in India does not mean that these anti-piracy campaigns will not end up at your door too, I am a Canadian and I worry that the same thing will start to happen here, so if you are interested in only what happens in India, then I suggest you stop reading Torrent Freak, whose coverage is just a “little” bit wider!
I will be cancelling my internet subscription today, and moving over to TalkTalk. Anyone who supports their customers will receive my support in return.
Already with TT so- good to go
Add a VPN overcomes the throttling and outside of “peak” hours speed is OK anyway
VPN *cough* also adds that extra bit of security too, (but is of course a side issue)
I’m an O2 customer and despite how good the service is, this news sorta makes me want out if they’re not gonna protect my information.
I’m still face-palming wondering how these types of laws came in to place. Extorting money from children and innocent pensioners, seniors and the elderly is a working business model for the lawyers and media corporations.
Nice.
you are an O2 customer, lol mobile broadband…
lest you were stupid enough to give real details you are fine…
The real issue here is the ACTA….
It cannot happen.
it really is a voting issue, and a big one at that, particularly for the young generation of angry people, you know, THE ONES THAT DO’NT VOTE.
it is time for subservience or rebellion.
followed by terrorism.
too full of hatred to ‘sign a petition’ and have nothing done.
too smart maybe.
politicians should boost their security.
people are getting angry…
I’m surprised at BE. I thought they would stand up for their customers. While I’m not affected I will be leaving still.
I hope you got some money from TalkTalk for this.
There are plenty of minor ISPs you know. But TBH, best not mention them otherwise everyone will make em majors. hmmm.
I’m from the US so I am not directly affected by this but I wanted to mention something on the side: Just using a VPN doesn’t always mean you are secure. You have to be smart about it. For example, don’t rely on crappy PPTP based VPNs like iPredator or itshidden. Instead use something like OpenVPN which is more secure and doesn’t have DNS leaks and other flaws that are more than a decade old in PPTP. Instead of advertising, I’ll just say there are other providers that offer a more secure service.
Well, I signed up with Homechoice (totally awesome ISP) which was bought by Tiscali (rubbish, but left me alone).
Now TalkTalk bought Tiscali, well I am happy to hear that!
I thought TalkTalk was an evil greedy corporation because some of their marketing tricks….
But it looks like they are OK!
Are they saying they are not going to throttle either? And not hand out details?
RESPECT!!!
While TalkTalk may be vocal in their opposition to these legal threats, their service is hardly ideal for any would-be file sharers.
Since the takeover of Tiscali they’ve implemented a monthly usage cap on the Tiscali Unlimited service and ramped up the limits on PTP usage so much that services like bittorrent and eMule are completely blocked for large parts of the day.
On top of that, everyone on their 8mbit service has just had a huge monthly price increase despite promises less than 2 months ago that there would be no change in price. It now costs more than many ISP’s uncapped 24mbit services.
My Tiscali service ran at a steady 8mbits for years, under TalkTalk I’m lucky to get speeds above 1.5mbit during the few hours file-sharing actually works.
Their spokespeople like to sound off in the media about how they protect their customers, but what good is being protected from file-sharing threats when the service is so crap that file-sharing is impossible?
All BT britishtelecom based ISPs are crap compared to virgin cable speed . For £25 month get 50mb unlimited downloads eg 100gb 0r more of stuff verses BT £25 month for 8mb but u get 2mb speed ! Copperlines are shit and BT loose connection 6 or 7 times a day. Re the VPN comment .. What VPN has openvpn that allows p2p use/ torrenting ? I agree ipredator is crap it looses connection all the time it’s rubbish
I Hate Lawyers!!!!!
TalkTalk Pro (LLU) = Unlimited.
for those ditching pptp vpn’s and saying open vpn is better (which it may be?) what do you do on openvpn when your connection goes down unlike on pptp where we can set it to reconnect ever 1 second for 9999999 times. Since OpenVpn doesn’t have a feature like this, once the vpn goes down, your just insecure from there since there isn’t a reconnect. I guess this is the bright idea? Also windows vista on my laptop is seriously messed up b/c every time I install a different version of open vpn (the 2 newest versions) my pc thinks its a virus and its blocked. Then my network adapter is seriously fked after that and hasn’t worked right since then. I can say that I got open vpn to work once on another pc, but on vista, its fked.
[QUOTE]Whilst I like the fact that TalkTalk are standing up for their customers rights, I couldn’t live with a 40Gb cap, or with their aggressive traffic shaping policies…[/QUOTE]
Well, for a start, im on a 40gb limit, I break it every month nearly, even clocking up 100gb nearly, what did I get, a 5 pound fine. Figured im not doing them much harm as its 4 quid for 80GB. And agressive traffic shaping? bullshit, all they do is filter the official bittorrent ports, change the port and you dont even have to secure the connection to get max line speed, in the middle of the day.
@Jose
Sounds like you know what you’re talking about. Is openvpn free or how do you know which vpn are open and which aren’t? Which is the best one to go for in the UK?
Any help and advice will be highly appreciated.
I have joined TalkTalk today. Let see if they are any better than BE. Time will tell.
What are these caps you are talking about?
I had no cap when I was with Tiscali, got 6.5MB down on an 8MB connection (OK). There were no maximum download caps.
If they have that I will change ISP on principle.. Download limits are cr&p and not acceptable to me.
I am on the 8MB down package, including TV which I never watch, hehe. Anyone knows?
We have been with AOL for 5 years or more – they have been taken over by talk talk, I think.
We download many GB per day and have had no trouble at all. Speeds slow at peak hours – but that is all.
I’m with Tiscali/TalkTalk.
It needs to be said that they are not entirely P2P friendly as they heavily throttle P2P traffic from 18:00 to 23:30.
As stated by others they are very aggressive in their throttling with ports beginning to close from 15:30 with many services unavailable from 18:00 to 23:00
This causes problems for BBC iPlayer, WoW, EA Games and Steam among others
@59 : “What VPN has openvpn that allows p2p use/ torrenting ?”
Everywhere one reads that filesharing needs OpenVPN as it is somehow better, and that PPTP is defective / bad / old.
Pure crap, of course, when the security defects identified in PPTP (potential DNS leaks [100% fixable by a simple firewall rule, btw] and man-in-middle issues) are irrelevant to P2P usage.
All that most P2P users want is an offshore IP address and data transfer to be hidden from their ISP. For that, PPTP is absolutely fine.
If you want to bypass government censors or download kiddieporn, THAT is the time to insist on OpenVPN.
“we have no fear of it”
Oh Good!
Law owner Andrew Crossley?
Hum? We know who to go after now.
Brace for impact Crosslete!
Good. Now I know what ISP I’ll be with next.
@53 =b0|)Y:
O2 offer a (very good) fixed broadband service as well as mobile broadband. None of the O2 customers on this thread was referring to mobile broadband.
I signed up for Bulldog(ISP) a few years ago. But bulldog was bought by Pipex who then sent me a letter. But Pipex then was bought by Tiscali. But then Tiscali was bought by TalkTalk. WTF?.
It looks like there are more and more ISPs willing to stand up for their customers. First there was iiNet in Aus, now TalkTalk in England… it looks like things are slowly improving :)
@64 @68 open vpn is just a different protocol mostly and is to be used by those who don’t have pptp connections or prefer to use another version of a vpn. Pptp vpn are mostly standard for most providers. Most providers charge a slightly higher fee for open vpn access. I’m currently on linkideo. com vpn and has worked fastest than others i have tried
The day that my ISP will throttle my Linux torrent download, I’ll push them.
they’re just a big bunch of crooks real.
No mention of Virgin either..must be too many cloned modems on their network to make it worth their while trying to drag the data out of them. I knew that bloke up the pub had done me a favour…
is this whole details handing over thing only for p2p related offences?
@Jose
Thanks for the info. I’ll look into linkideo.
How would I go about setting up OpenVPN with linkideo?
How would you go about securing yourself from the defects identified in PPTP as mentioned by chevron using a firewall rule? Say with Norton and McAfee?
Thanks in advance.
Just one more word about Sky – fast, no throttling, truly unlimited (no ‘general usage’ limit or similar), and good service and helpline etc. As far as giving data to lawyers – WTF, they’re just scammers and easy to sort out via beingthreatened.com should a letter arrive. Best to suck it up and move on.
Well I was with Tiscali a few years ago but left them due to over throttling of my Torrents & to top it all off just this week I got a letter from a Debt collection agency (SRJ Debt Recoveries) claiming that Talk Talk have sold on a debt of £90 that they are trying to recover. So I say F*CK Talk Talk, I’ll be sticking with AOL for now.
If you want open vpn you must get the $5 package as the $2 package won’t work. I have the unlimited package @ $10 w port forwarding. I prefer pptp vpn. If want pptp (2, 5, 10 any will work) set up, then Once you install log in and then go to status, properties, options, check redial if line dropped time between redial attempts 1 sec (if not alr chkd) redial attempts 999999999 and then restart vpn. Your all set from here shouldn’t have to mess with it
https://forum.perfect-privacy.com/showthread.php?p=5781 Securing XP/Vista/7 L2TP or PPTP VPN Connections + DNS Leak Fix
Good to see Talk Talk’s stance. But before you rush off to join them, they VERY heavily throttle bittorrent and other protocols, so heavily in fact it can be difficult to download anything, especially during peak hours. They also have a 40Gb a month cap.
You can sign up for their new Talk Talk Pro account though, still throttled but with no cap.
Just be aware of that if you decide to change your current ISP.
you just have to use any other port that are not the default port for bt. the only downside with talktalk is the slow speed at peak hours (6pm-11pm). any other times it’s fast.
Been with Talk Talk since they took over the Tiscali customers. I’m VERY happy with them. The first thing they did was give me a free upgrade from 2Mbps to 8Mbps. You do sometimes feel like you are being “shaped” but not often. I’m a mad keen file sharer and I’m more than happy with their service.
Oh God not TalkTalk!
I too can confirm Talks Talk are horrendous in their efforts to block p2p traffic, and we are not just talking bit torrent here many other networks are hit hard and heavy so while I’ll thank the Talk Talk guy for making a stand I most certainly wont be handing him any of my money as I much prefer the unlimited service I use already that allows me to remain connected 24/7 using one of the ISPs mentioned in this column.
I can’t leave BT until I move out, and I can’t move out until I’m 21. I’ll go with TT simply because I need to get with someone who won’t sell me to bounty hunters.
TalkTalk are just about the last place I’d go if I were looking for a good ISP. Hideous two-faced cheesy mainstream shite for the clueless masses… you’ll love ‘em.
Why are the UK Gov’t on one hand want to introduce super fast broadband, while on the other hand they lay out their plans to deal with illegal file-sharers as part of its Digital Economy Bill.
Do they really expect broadband users with 100 Mbps to read emails, browse the internet, go on Facebook, make some posts on forums, download a few programs and watch a few videos on iPlayer and YouTube?
Do they seriously think people will need 100 Mbps for any other reason other than peer-to-peer filesharing?
All of the above can be accomplished with just 1 Mbps speed.
@WotsDaAgenda?,
Because the government want to upgrade the national infrastructure to, as they like to call it; “super-fast broadband”, but the services that create demand for this kind of product has for a long while been unauthorised file-sharing, and the people who could otherwise provide services that these “super-fast” connections are suited are the major media companies who would like to offer their product, but are as yet not willing to engage in the kind of investment necessary to roll out an entirely new national network infrastructure. Investors in general are apprehensive about investing because of the feeling that it could prove difficult to get a decent return because of the current free-flow of media outside of sanctioned channels.
So as part of the plan to introduce “super-fast broadband”, they’re being driven to stamp out unauthorised file-sharing to make way for legitimate services. They want people to subscribe to these media services instead.
A bit confusing really.
(after seeing mixed comments)
Is the UK ISP talktalk good or evil?
It’s good.
Sorry to disagree Stu but when it comes to using p2p on their service its horrendous. throttling is way more than any other ISP in the UK to my knowledge .. that is unless you know better.
On a general note isnt it funny how the Uk Govt want to impose another stealth tax on uk terrestrial phone line subscribers to pay for the new high speed network, this seems to me to be yet another way of making us pay for something that we wont own a peice of and will benefit only the big media organisations that so far havent put their hands in their pockets for anything.
Yes I know better ;)
I’m signing up with TalkTalk for the sole purpose that they at least withheld their customer information without proper warrant.
Maybe BT try to be the voice for it’s paying customers rather than give the ACS:Law crooks innocent peoples details. But in my case it’s too late, I’m leaving them and I hope a lot of people leave them. BT will try hard to win back customers but it will be for nothing. Hope all the other ISP learn from this.
Sorry I hope I make sense. My English is not too good. Thank you for your patience.
Get a seedbox… Simples.
Get a seedbox… Simples
How do one get a seedbox and how setup and transfer, etc?
MANDY’S BILL IS NOT LEGAL IN EU LAW, WHY AS FOLLOWS,
This presumption of innocence does not actually appear in Magna Carta.
Rather it is that a presumption of innocence exists until such time as the burden of proof or a jury of their peers decides otherwise.
This presumption has in fact been enshrined in law in some countries but others take it as read
The EU has put it in one of the conventions so in that respect all EU countries have it in their law as all EU countries abide by this convention.
The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of the Council of Europe says (art. 6.2): “Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”. This convention has been adopted by treaty and is binding on all Council of Europe members. Currently (and in any foreseeable expansion of the EU) every country member of the European Union is also member to the Council of Europe, so this stands for EU members as a matter of course. Nevertheless, this assertion is iterated verbatim in Article 48 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
Seedbox are very expensive. Just spend your money on buying the actual material, you’ll have loads of change left in your pocket! Or wait and see what happens.
This link seems to have information relevant to this discussion thread
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/34981
My position seems more than justified.
Although TalkTalk can appear attractive I would only move if you really have to due to their shaping policy:
http://www.talktalkmembers.com/content/view/58/68/
Anyone knows if Talk Talk shares ISP logs with the police?
What this company is doing is not blackmail, but racketeering!
It’s an easy way to get £500 for sending out one letter. They get your IP, claim you have downloaded some porn, send the letter out, threaten to take you to court where you will then be looked down upon for downloading the porn by everyone.
There are people and parents out there who would be too embarrassed to go to court and others thinking they did it, or they may be afraid their kids downloaded it and pay the fine.
Also note the court they take you too is a civil court, but they get your IP by submitted a criminal case then abandoning it then, having obtained your IP and address, start a civil case against you!
This should be totally illegal!
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