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Newzbin Slams Movie Studios After Court Defeat

After losing its High Court case against several Hollywood movie studios yesterday, Usenet indexing site Newzbin has responded angrily. They say that their defeat was the result of flawed evidence and the unfair legal might of the MPA, and have slammed the studios’ broken business model and monopolistic commercial practices.

Following a case brought by Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, Disney, Columbia Pictures, yesterday Usenet indexer Newzbin lost its High Court case.

Newzbin was found liable for copyright infringement and will later this week discover the terms of an injunction which will forbid it from indexing movies and TV shows to which the above complainants own the copyrights.

“We are very disappointed with the judgment,” said Newzbin in a statement emailed to TorrentFreak. “Regrettably the court has accepted the distorted and flawed evidence that Hollywood presented.”

Newzbin says that contrary to the findings of the court, the site has not deliberately indexed infringing material and it did not assist its members who use the site for that purpose.

“The site provides a generalised search facility for binary content found on Usenet and not infringing material. Any of the material we index can be found on any one of a thousand sites on the Internet so pursuit of us is a futile waste of everyone’s time and money,” they added.

TorrentFreak asked Newzbin about the implications of this negative result for other UK-based Usenet indexers.

“They will clearly need to consider this judgement carefully,” the company told us. “We are unique in using editors and that formed a significant basis for our liability, but even absent editors, Usenet indexing in the UK is much more problematic.”

Newzbin then went on to launch an attack on the MPA, who they say are an organization stuck in a technology stone age.

“Rather than addressing their own broken business models & monopolistic commercial practices they seek to curtail innovation and freedom on the Internet.”

Noting the recent heavy lobbying of the UK government by the entertainment industries in respect of the Digital Economy Bill, Newzbin say that the MPA are a sponsor of attempts to bring “Chinese internet censorship” into the UK.

“Perhaps if they used their energy providing what people want rather than buying laws to sustain their own house of cards their might have a stronger future. We certainly reject their attempt to use this decision and our site as an excuse for rushing through undemocratic laws in a wash-up just before an election.”

Echoing the complaints of dozens of file-sharing orientated sites before them, Newzbin went on to criticize the imbalance in resources when contemplating a legal battle against the combined might of the movie studios, noting that this was the only reason for their win.

“Ultimately the dinosaurs of the content industry will need to face reality; the sad thing is that winning cases such as this only damages them and puts their own future in doubt.”

In the meantime, Newzbin will be required to implement some kind of filtering mechanism – so how will that play out?

“We will do what we are required to by the terms of any court order: we feel though that filtering is likely to be imperfect and there is a risk of filters missing material, which concerns us. The site may need to stop delivering all film & TV indexing for a matter of days while we consider how to address the judgement.”

In some respects the ruling against Newzbin has similarities to that imposed against Netherlands-based torrent index, Mininova. With this in mind we asked how this UK ruling might be received by Newzbin’s members and how the reaction would affect its business.

“We are mindful of the effect that filtering had on Mininova’s reputation with users and we hope to address those concerns and remain a useful site without breaching the terms of the order,” they told us.

Nevertheless, the site insists it is not going away, will remain the number one indexer and has great plans for the future. They also extended thanks to their supporters.

“We’d like to thank our users for their support, we’d certainly like them to chip in towards our legal costs! Above all we’d like them to know that we are not going away even if the next few weeks will be turbulent while we deal with the judgement.”

Looking ahead, Newzbin told TorrentFreak that they will appeal if they believe there are realistic grounds for doing so.

“We believe the judgement is flawed and we are analysing it carefully but we have made no final decision,” they concluded.

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  • Kmaid

    @UK READERS

    There is just SEVEN DAYS left before the Digital Economy Bill is rushed through Parliament! If you haven’t written a letter yet now is a crucial time to do so. I have written three already.

    If you have already written a letter and can please donate to 38Degree’s advertising campaign. They have already raised £10,000 to get a full page in The Times. Link here to donate! https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/contribute/DigitalEconomyBillAd

  • p2pfreakk

    But who will actually listen and bring an end to this insanity..

    If a complicated business model like Usenet can be targeted and a binary indexing site can lose a legal case, then closing a torrent site does not look difficult anymore..

    I just wish there are 100 clones of Newzbin pop up in the coming months in UK making MPA’s legal victory look like a bummer and the RIAA/MPA an ass !!!

  • Iheartyew

    There will most likely be a number of replacements over newzbin, technically the MPA etc just made it even harder for them to track what’s actually happening. QQ. :]

  • Fawkes

    This kind of oligarchy has had you in its thrall for centuries. The only thing that can stop it is you and bitching on the internet is the illusion of having a voice within political structures. I encourage everyone here to stop commenting and start donating, join digital rights organizations, and be ACTIVE within them. Your name and your words do nothing without the weight of action. Stand up now or you’ll have only the revolutionary recourse later.

  • Revenge is sweet

    what goes around comes around it will bite them on their ass

  • Cyclops

    Mininova never filtered. They simply removed a million plus torrents after the verdict was passed.

  • http://www.torrentfreak.com enigmax

    Mininova was required to filter but to filter perfectly. Since that wasn’t possible, removing all the torrents was the only completely safe solution.

  • JOVIALAU

    THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO ARE GOOD AT PLAN B

  • Attempted to Donate

    I’d like to donate to Newzbin’s legal fund. However, their entire site seems to be behind a membership wall that I need an invite to get around.

  • JOVIALAU

    YOU EITHER HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING BY PULLING YOUR WALLETS OUT AND GETTING POLITICAL.OR YOU WATCH THEM DIE IN THE TRENCHES AND THEN TRY TO RETAKE THE AREA LOST TO THE ENEMY.THE FORMER REQUIRES FAR LESS EFFORT.DO SOMETHING OR WE LOSE EVERYTHING.AND BY EVERYTHING I DO MEAN FREEDOM.AND WITHOUT FREEDOM WE ARE NOTHING.BUT IF MANY OF YOU DO NOTHING,AND ALL IS LOST ………………………….THEN FOR FUCKS SAKE…”DON`T WHINE”

  • JOVIALAU

    there are a tousand people hacking at the branches of evil,to the one who is stiking at the root..Thoreau

  • Øystein Jakobsen

    The only way to defeat Copyright, is by taking away their money! Stop buying CD’s, DVD’s, don’t go to the movies unless you have to, boicott stuff that has been product placed etc.

    Spend your cash on stuff that are net friendly instead… Wikileaks, wikipedia, radiohead, cory doctorow, OpenOffice.org etc.

    Keep an eye open for the Genero project. It can be the rallying banner that. Copyleft needs

  • cdcase

    sell the site too tpb

  • mr.ironic

    “Perhaps if they used their energy providing what people want rather than buying laws to sustain their own house of cards their might have a stronger future.”

    But they do provide what people want, if they didn’t there wouldn’t be an internet full of freetards using sites like newzbin to find the content that apparently they dont like and presumably don’t download.

    That argument is just as stupid as the media industry’s.

  • dwpbike

    while i have no doubt that the verdict was a political one, why does one pay usenet for material that can be obtained free elsewhere?

  • Ninja

    There’s little to be said after all Newzbin comments mentioned in this article.

    You know, I’m just gonna start donating directly to the artists and stop buying anything digital.. Freakin morons…

  • i r 14

    its the system of delivery and access thats unique,coupled with extreme safety and open communications.

  • FlapJack280pounds

    hahaahahahh look at all these nerds getting angry that their “online” rights are getting trumped all over.

    I read torrent freak to see whats happening in the torrent world, I’m too lazy to do anything. That’s why I don’t complain, but after so many years of watching judgments go for and against bittorent, I think I have to make this comment on the NZB site.

    BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW NZB site they lost court case.

    BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW who will defend our rights.

    lol

    Reality: You’re all too lazy, nerdy, fat to get up and go into the sun and do anything. You can’t even email your congressmen or MP> You’d rather spend that extra 5 minutes, using “let me google that for you.” telling someone else how to google.

    @lmfao.. consider this a troll. but you know it’s the truth, because I’m just like you. The difference is I can look at myself in the mirror and admit it. Well, that’s before the mirror cracks.

  • Kmaid

    One should always resist feeding the trolls no matter how tempting it may be.

  • me

    Any site that has some sort of monetary gains involved will always be a target.

  • BIOS

    @15

    It is true that there are several people who complain but don’t act. But to say that everyone is that way is simply ignorant.

    The problem isn’t that people are lazy, the problem is that people don’t believe it can happen to them. The other problem is that people don’t think they can make a difference (ask people who don’t vote).

    I have written letters (email) and signed online petitions, but from America that won’t do much. We don’t even have a legit pirate party (yet). Once we do however, I will try to support them with whatever little income I can spare and as much keyboard rage as I can muster.

    Although it would be uplifting to hear about real efforts toward the cause. Are there any TF readers who have done anything to help? Is there anywhere on the internet or otherwise that has tales of people trying to fix this broken system?

  • ASTROBOY

    Maybe it’s really over for the movie business. Maybe their business model cannot be reworked. They wouldn’t be the first, would they? How many of you have attended a circus lately? How about a play? Ballet? Vaudville? All were once big time entertainment. Now, they are anachronisms, all holding onto niche markets that are a fraction of their former presence. Movies have had a 100 year run. Thats pretty good. But maybe it’s over. Another ten or fifteen years and it might be finished. Maybe games or virtual reality will be the next big player. Maybe it will be indie movies made for a couple percent of a “major motion picture” and released directly to the home. And WHO CARES??!! We should care about the movie companies? Well they didn’t care about us. They bled us dry. Sued us, confiscated our stuff, criminalised us, got us fired and kicked out of school. Maybe they don’t need to “wake up” or change their business model. Maybe they just need to fade away. We can go to one movie a year, right after we take in the circus.

  • anon111

    LMAO!! Newzbin = sore losers

  • horsemeat

    So it’s now illegal to index information in the UK that has any sort of user input just in case someone posts something that indirectly links to copyrighted material?

    So internet forums hosted in the UK are buggered then?

    Even if Newzbin does get rid of their TV and film section what happens if someone posts a link to a copyrighted film in the ebooks section?

    No this has effectively closed their site down.

  • X-Pirate

    Why do they need money for legal help? Nobody remembers yesterdays figures?:

    “Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.”

    That was just 2009..

  • nonsense

    This is bad for the economy since people are newzbin are going to loose jobs.

    Someone please relay that to obama..

  • tipst3r.com

    As great as Newzbin was, I’m sure somebody will step up and fill the void.

    http://www.tipst3r.com – bittorrent tips, tricks, tutorials and guides.

  • nobrains

    Newzbin lost. bwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaa

  • Tomas

    I’m confused. If the court made a ruling that Newzbin have to implement a filter, isn’t the easy way around it to just pay the £20 it costs to register a new company and then let that one take over where Newzbin left off?

  • Tomas

    @26

    I’m not sure what Obama can do about a UK ruling about a UK company. He’s probably too busy running his own country to really care.

  • TerribleTony

    Truly I do not understand some of these politically-motivated commenters telling those of us who are not, to become so!

    Sod off, I do what I want, and not what anyone else wants.

  • We keep it moving.

    All very interesting but why argue here? Wasn’t that what the court event was about? Wouldn’t it have been better to hammer out any disagreements with the decisions there where they could have actually made a difference?

    Sounds to me a lot like a bunch of sore losers, probably because they now know they’re as good as out of business (though still clinging on to a false hope, I see).

    Fair points about the UK gov; they do what they want, and they’ve made their intentions very clear as to how things are going to play out from now on. All sites and services should be ready for it, and should probably know the outcome, too. The UK government are cunts, always have been, always will be. Look at history.

    As far as the filtering goes, well, you’re dead. Once you’re on that road you know where you’re going to end up.

  • anonymous

    ‘distorted and flawed evidence that Hollywood presented’. the only way these cases are won by the media industries is by presenting what is basically a load of lies that is believed by the court, even if there is a modicom of understanding by the judge on the way the internet works. there is too much pressure by the government as well as those industries. been said here before, once they get what they want there will be a complete turn around by the music and movie industries on whether torrents and usenet sites are good or not because they will be using them themselves, this time for profit! trouble is it will be too late to do anything about it then and the various governments will see what prats they have been taken for.

  • Good luck to the site.

    I was not expecting such a tough and political ruling.
    I always thought that the crimes had to be proven so Newzbin could be punished.
    Having 700.000 registered users and making £1 million a year is no proof of a crime in itself.
    Can the studios prove and give a number on which of their movies was downloaded thanks to Newzbin?
    I have little doubt that this could be overturned in appeal.
    Yes you can kill someone if you have a gun, but having a gun doesn’t automatically make you a killer.
    All gun owners would have to be guilty of murder by intention, it just doesn’t fly.
    Very soon we will all be liable to the studios just for having internet connections.
    1984 is all over us.

  • IHeard

    @1

    I sent a custom letter to my MP’s and a number of MEP’s two weeks ago. From all but my main MP I received a message saying they could see I had sent a letter to my main MP so they will not respond. I have had no reply from my main MP.

    Seems he can’t be arsed. After all, I am only one person. I do have a lot of friends though who wont be voting for him and his Labour thieving and corrupt co-workers.

  • Lifes a bitch.

    To the MPA

    /´¯/)
    /….//
    /….//
    /´¯/…./´¯\
    /./…/…./…./
    (.(….(….(…./
    \…………….\/…/
    \…………….. /
    \……………/

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  • Raven

    lmfao.

    First I want to say that the mpa , riaa and many other industries are a bad thing, but this message is directed to newsbin

    These pigs are insane, we don’t host warez or assist in warez or anything as such, its purely by accident we have access to alt.binaries.windows.warez
    or any combination of such. newzbin you and your service are fools and idiots to think you could pretend you didnt have knowledge of warez being accessable.

    I have used all sorts of access methods from bbs forums in early 90′s to emule, kazza , usenet , and undernet. I used them all for the express purpose of getting access to warez. Now if you wanted to keep from getting busted I dont know if its possible but next time how about purchasing a floating barge or oil tanker and staying out of international waters? I am sure your company has made plenty of money to be able to afford some kind of secondary plan.

    You ask your customers for support, we they have been supporting you for years by paying a monthly fee or such. In the days of old you didnt mention places such as newsbin, you didnt freely give out info to ftp sites, you didnt get instant access to bbs boards that hosted music and software it was by invite, or you had to get to know the admin.
    You didnt talk of it to people you didnt know, you didnt discuss it , it remained underground , because you knew you were doing illegal things. You used mIrc or other ways to access info, you didnt have websites telling you things you had word of mouth from friends and you had to learn things yourself from trial and error

    It was like fight club, you dont talk about fight club.

    Now your busted cause you got to much publicity and went too far. If only you had remained under the radar you may have skated clear of issues with law.

  • Anonymous

    @30
    @26

    “I’m not sure what Obama can do about a UK ruling about a UK company. He’s probably too busy ruining his country to really care.”

    Fixed that for you.

  • Anonymous

    They should shut down their current operations in UK and move their servers somewhere else. No point in fighting.

  • SteveO

    Its like trying to beat Wal-Mart. You know it kills its competition, costs other businesses to go under, causing job loss,and ships all its money OUT of your community. But yet you STILL shop there.To the MPA people are as predictable as you are. People wont stop buying CDs and movies. They know not of any “cause”. People as a whole, are STUPID, and they already know it.Its just us pirates VS. them. And we are tiny. Thats why we dont cost them anything, win or lose.They just want us gone. And just like wal-mart, they will win.

  • Rekrul

    @15, dwpbike;

    while i have no doubt that the verdict was a political one, why does one pay usenet for material that can be obtained free elsewhere?

    Several reasons…

    Speed – Unless there’s a problem, you always download at the top speed of your connection.

    Safety – It’s impossible for a third party to spy on what you’re doing. In addition, you don’t upload anything unless you specifically intend to, so there’s no possibility whatsoever of being charged with distributing copyrighted material (unless you actually DO upload copyrighted material).

    Completeness – Most professional Usenet providers have several redundant feeds to ensure that all posts are as complete as possible. You don’t get stuck at 90% and have a bunch of people telling “Someone please seed!”. Missing parts DO happen occasionally, which is why most people post Par files, which can be used to repair missing/corrupt parts. In the event that a damaged post can’t be repaired, it will likely be reposted, by either the original poster, or someone else.

    Can talk to others – The same newsgroups used for posting files are also fully functional discussion forums. If you have a problem with a post, you can post a message for the uploader, or you can post a request for something you’re looking for. The different between doing this on Usenet and on a torrent site is that on a site, only users of that particular site can see your message, on Usenet, everyone following that group can see your message. With the rise of NZB files and more people using strictly binary downloaders, not as many people read the newsgroups anymore, which is a shame, but there are still many smaller groups where the regular users read and post text messages, making it more like a community.

    Easier to find what you’re looking for – With torrents or 1-click hosting sites, you have to search different sites to find what you want, looking for links/torrents that still work. With Usenet, you can use a search site to search through all the groups and find what you’re looking for.

    @37, Raven;

    Now if you wanted to keep from getting busted I dont know if its possible but next time how about purchasing a floating barge or oil tanker and staying out of international waters?

    And where would their connection to the rest of the world come from? Is there some magical, world-wide access point that any company can just tap into and do whatever they want?

    No, they have to have someone supply them with a connection. When the copyright corporations learn that they can’t sue them directly, they will go after whatever company is supplying them with an internet connection. The judge rules in the corporations’ favor, the cable is cut and Newzbin is just floating at sea. twiddling its thumbs.

  • Dave

    Good news

  • TRYER

    “We’d like to thank our users for their support, we’d certainly like them to chip in towards our legal costs!”

    I wonder how much that is? They should of saved there donations over the years, to pay for the likelihood of getting sued.

  • Quasit

    The last post here with the verdict seemed in my opinion to be fair and correct. Newzbin can be how angry they want, they are still guilty.

  • me

    #41: “No, they have to have someone supply them with a connection. When the copyright corporations learn that they can’t sue them directly, they will go after whatever company is supplying them with an internet connection.”

    That’s why we need our own distribution network, i.e. a set of LEO satellites. Let’s see how copyright holders try to shoot them all down! ;-)

    Think of this as the equivalent of the good old pirate radios that operated off-shore back then.

    Of course, such a network is expensive as hell. Not so much the satellites themselves, but launching them in orbit.

  • Anonymous

    @45

    The elitist of this world absolutely hate the internet and the fact that anyone can share information quickly and easily.

    The internet currently serves as a severe blow to their agendas of world government. This is why they, all the corporations they influence, are pushing towards tearing apart freedom on the internet.

    They hate your freedoms, and they want control over your life. In past years, there have been many discussions about restricting access on the internet, and Internet 2.0 is pretty much set up and ready to be implemented.

    Most people would be absolutely and royally pissed off if this was implemented too quickly. So it’s either slow and steady or raise a false flag.

  • Phil

    Pretty silly really. Just search the raw listings for the show you are after.

  • jon

    my private site no longer has the word torrent on there toolbar anymore this is how stupid and politacly correct we have become what a joke.
    dont use the words good friday it might upset minority groups off topic a little bit.

  • Anonymous

    you cna still search usernet in cond or war mode

    only issue with that is standard format for end user is 01×01
    but most rel goups use s01e01 some still do it in 101 format

  • marybeth

    Serves Usenet right, they are charging people for what they scrape of the internet t Usenet, usenext, biniverse whatever you want to call them profit from torrents. They werent there to sell they were there to share.

    Its okay to share but to charge for a torrent that was originally free is BS Usenet is evil and should burn.
    Here is another article I found about Usenet http://99graphicdesigns.com/2009/09/how-can-peer-2-peer-sites-like-binverse-and-usenet-charge-for-shared-torrent-files-and-get-away-with-it/

  • The Man

    We are monitoring your posts and all your mp3′s are belong to us. Prepare for anal annihilation.

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