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Newzbin vs MPA Usenet ‘Filtering’ Trial Concludes

After a fairly bumpy ride, the High Court trial between Newzbin and the MPA has reached its conclusion. While the site’s owners are claiming that the site will remain open no matter what, a negative result could result in hefty damages and an obligation to make changes to the site, including the implementation of a Mininova-style filter.

Newzbin is one of the original and most popular Usenet indexing sites on the Internet. The site pioneered the increasingly popular .NZB format which simplified previously complicated Usenet downloading.

While most of Hollywood’s legal might was focused on the snowballing BitTorrent scene, Usenet downloading also gained in popularity – and exposure – and by 2008 it soon had Newzbin in the spotlight.

Newzbin received complaints from the studios in May that year, stating that the site was listing NZBs which linked to movies on Usenet which infringed their members’ copyright. In December, Newzbin confirmed it was removing some NZB files at copyright holders’ request but it wasn’t enough and the MPA filed for an injunction.

The London High Court showdown between Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & Others v Newzbin Ltd before Mr Justice Kitchin began February 1st 2010. Details coming out of the case have been relatively few and entirely from Newzbin’s perspective. TorrentFreak contacted the MPA for their take but they told us they could not comment on an on-going case.

Newzbin reported that the plaintiffs opened with explanations of the .NZB format and how they differ from regular HTML hyperlinks along with accusations that Newzbin’s backend code specifically sought out copyright works on Usenet.

For their part, Newzbin disputed most MPA accusations but nevertheless ended the first day expressing confidence in Judge Justice Kitchin and his ability to preside over a fair trial.

Referencing “bizarre side issues”, “internal Newzbin issues” (later partly clarified as non-conflict related) and the falling ill of Newzbin admin ‘Caesium’ under cross-examination by the plaintiffs’ lawyer, by Day 3 of the trial events had clearly taken a turn for the strange.

After some rest, Caesium re-took the stand on Day 4 and completed his cross-examination, but the picture painted by Newzbin lacked optimism.

“It would be fair to say that the picture painted in court of Newzbin has not been an entirely positive one. Whilst it is hard to double guess Mr Justice Kitchin, Newzbin may have some difficulties in the near future,” said the site’s legal team in a statement, adding that Caesum had been accused of lying repeatedly under oath.

Newzbin requested a pause in proceedings to hire more lawyers, this was granted and there was a 2 week pause in proceedings. During the break, Newzbin made an announcement to clarify a number of points.

If the site lost its case, it would not be closing down – the MPA isn’t asking for that. It’s the manner in which the site operates that’s under the microscope.

“The message we want you to take away is that, win or lose, you can be confident that the site is here to stay in the long term,” said Newzbin. Other assurances were made in respect of user data, which we’ll come to in a moment.

The trial restarted this week on Tuesday 2nd March and concluded yesterday. As previously noted, the MPA are keeping mum right now but Newzbin reported its version of events. The key points:

Although Newzbin believes that the MPA may have been able to convince the court that the indexer facilitated the infringements of its users, it will not be able to prove damages or losses from copying. This stands to reason, as any infringements would have taken place through an entirely different infrastructure to that offered by Newzbin.

Newzbin will not be shut down. There could, however, be an “enquiry as to damages” and a new trial to consider the terms of any injunction which requires the site to block MPA material.

This could mean that Newzbin is required, Mininova-style, to develop and implement filtering mechanisms.

“At the moment we remain unfiltered and we would fight for the current notice and take down system that we already use. Again this is just our best guess and we may be well wide of the mark,” said the company in a statement this morning.

The previously-mentioned Newzbin assurance regarding privacy of user data goes as follows. Although the site does log some activity, it only keeps this data for a short period and details of NZB files downloaded by users are not stored. This means that the MPA will not be able to get their hands on sensitive data.

“One thing the Claimants did complain about was that Newzbin ‘deliberately arranged it’s systems so that no user details were available: even if we got an Anton Pillar [sic] there would be nothing to seize as no logs were kept’,” said this morning’s announcement, adding;

“Equally, since the site has lawful non-infringing use (our hunch is that the judge accepted our arguments on this: he seemed receptive to our submission that GPL, Creative Commons & non-copyright works were on the Indexes) a mere membership of Newzbin proves nothing against any user: the Claimants didn’t contend this anyway.”

The MPA declined to comment at this point, but told TorrentFreak that they believe the verdict could be handed down before the end of the month.

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  • OrderlyCop

    Oh damn, I don’t know what to take from this article.

  • Anonymous

    I see where this is going.

    Judge: Not guilty.
    MAFIAA: Brb, bribe & appeal.
    Bought judge: Guilty.
    Newzbin: Nolol, appeal.
    Supreme Court: …

    * 5 years later *

    Supreme Court: Not guilty.
    MAFIAA: Brb buying clueless politicians to change the law.

  • Felch

    According to the rubes at this site every single court case involves a judge willing to be bribed.

    Give it a break, you know nothing.

    As evidenced by your assertion that they will bribe politicians to change the law – it’s already illegal you dunce.

  • Bono

    http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?storycode=1040275

    hey freetards – thought you should read this.

  • Anonymous

    I see where this is going.

    Judge: Not guilty.
    MAFIAA: Brb, bribe & appeal.
    Bought judge: Guilty.
    Newzbin: Nolol, appeal.
    Supreme Court: …

    * 5 years later *

    Supreme Court: Not guilty.
    MAFIAA: Brb buying clueless politicians to change the law.

  • Rabbit80

    Since nzb files are nothing more than an XML format that contain a few hashes that describe how the plain text contained in newsgroups can be combined to make files – I dont see how they could be illegal. Its like saying that instructions for growing plants are illegal since you could use them to grow Marijuana! Or is XML illegal as well these days?

  • bleh

    @5
    You don’t know that breathing is illegal?
    As for the buying politician to change law comment, it doesn’t matter, if voting was actually changing things, it would be illegal.

  • harr harr

    @ 3 Mar 04, 2010 at 15:49 by Felch

    “As evidenced by your assertion that they will bribe politicians to change the law – it’s already illegal you dunce.”

    BOOOOOLSH!!!!!!T now FO

  • žnj

    As evidenced by your assertion that they will bribe politicians to change the law – it’s already illegal you dunce.

    If you believe that the media industry is not already bribing politicians, you’re naive.

  • Yarick

    Campaign contributions, lobbying, gifts. There are all sorts of way to bribe a politico without actually handing them an brown envelope full of used bills.

    “I’ll give your campaign $5 million if you try to get the law changed to this so it benefits me.”

  • Pirate Dave

    I was involved in a civil case once and had all the paper work on my side–the judge still decided in favour of the company (who had the moolah.)

    They’re not bribed? Don’t make me laugh.

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  • anon111

    shut the f*ck up @ 11

  • Whatever

    There is at least one site which creates the NZB’s “on the fly” after searching with keywords and has no users. The NZB you download is a result of your search and selection so “infringing NZB’s” do not exist there (maybe for 2 seconds or something).

    Why doesn’t newzbin use this method ?

  • epic

    doesnt matter if nzbs are legal or illegal, or whether the judge fully understands what the files actually are and do. all that matters is the verdict.

  • Anonymouse

    Whatever: They do in part if you search the raw headers, but they also rely on reports, and you can’t comment on raw usenet, whilst you can comment on reports and let people know its legit.

  • heeter

    @13 – whoops, I guess we all just forgot about that site.

    Oh well, I guess we can’t talk about it anymore… not even in the abstract, RIGHT? :-)

  • Yoriku

    This article isn’t much new, why all the repeat?

  • wut

    @yoriku how does it bother you? are you retarded? go sort out your issues faggot.

  • anonymouse

    wont be long before anything that a cartel or corporation doesn’t want to be on the internet, wont be on the internet, regardless of what it is, what it portays, how it helps (or harms) or who it helps (or harms). someone is going to say ‘i dont want that there’ for whatever reason (just because they can say it?!) and it will be gone. if only they knew exactly what damage they are doing and the harm they are going to do to everyone. that means themselves as well. still say they want complete control of the ‘net’ and wont be happy until they’ve got it. then see what happens and how progress and innovation grinds to a standstill. what fools they are!!

  • daveh8

    A big problem is newzbin categories. These categories are added by the admin and include CAM, R5 Retail, Workprint, Xbox360, ps3. What do they expect to be reported in these sections other than copyrighted content?

    Not only that but they charge for access. They are earning large amounts for the creativity of others; it goes way beyond server costs.

  • Ninja

    Heh, MAFIAA works on the premise “guilty until proven innocent” which means every internet user is guilty of infringing copyright until proven otherwise. Pretty nice lol..

    Fail.

  • =b0|)Y

    @20
    good thing it is not illegal to make the category names.

    Also they *could* be text files under the consoles section.
    Cam and R5 retail are loose terms.

    On top of that, there is always the fact that there is no copyrighted material on site at all.
    only words and indexes.

    And if the guys made any money they deserve it.
    Lets not forget they invented NZB’s.

    How do you think they can defend themselves? By hiring lawyers.That cost money.

  • NubCakes

    ” There is at least one site which creates the NZB’s “on the fly” after searching with keywords and has no users. The NZB you download is a result of your search and selection so “infringing NZB’s” do not exist there (maybe for 2 seconds or something).

    Why doesn’t newzbin use this method ?

    Goddam your stupid – Newzbin does use this method.

    @PirateDave: ” I was involved in a civil case once and had all the paper work on my side–the judge still decided in favour of the company (who had the moolah.)

    They’re not bribed? Don’t make me laugh.”

    Sorry don’t make me laugh – that is not evidence of bribery, that is you being butthurt about losing a civil case. There is no evidence of Judges being bribed in any case involving copyright infringment. If you had any evidence of this at all you would report it to the relevant authorities – I bet you did not of course because that would interfere in the butthurt victim mentality right?

    Every court case involving copyright infringment earn the comments that bribery is going on. Despite no evidence of this occurring in any cases involving copyright infringment. The side that you wish to win not winning is not evidence.

    Many of these court cases result in decisions against MPAA and Co. making the whole accusations of bribery laughable.

    Nevertheless, clueless newb conspiracy theorists continue to assert that bribery is going on. Like many people of low to average intelligence and unwarranted self importance they find it hard to distinguish between what they imagine is happening and reality and go around claiming that their imagined events are real.

    They also never ever look at the past – that would destroy the illusion they make for themselves that they are highly intelligent and can know of events by simply imagining them. If they looked at the past they would see that many cases they asserted had bribed judges presiding over came to decisions against MPAA & Co. and this would make their claims of bribery that thy imagined appear as deluded as they actually are.

    So the buffoons will continue to imagine what’s happening and then claim the imagined events are in fact reality. This is what insecure and/or people of low intelligence do to avoid facing their own natures.

  • Anonymous1

    Its a shame they are going after NZB sites now :(

  • fauk mafiaa pirate for life

    “One thing the Claimants did complain about was that Newzbin ‘deliberately arranged it’s systems so that no user details were available: even if we got an Anton Pillar [sic] there would be nothing to seize as no logs were kept’,” said this morning’s announcement, adding;

    duh, there is no reason to store logs that would be self incriminating or incriminate others. nuff said.

  • nike

    google is already making some money from indexing books.the books that they scanned themselves. why not take it to the court? they are more guilty then Newzbin, wich is just indexing. like any other search engine.

  • žnj

    @NubCakes

    You think this bribery will be going on in a way that you can easily point to? You think the only kind of bribery that exists is the “exchange of brown envelope under the table” kind? Or that if it hasn’t been proven yet it means it doesn’t exist?

    As Pirate Dave said, don’t make me laugh.

  • BIOS

    Question… Why don’t we all band together and boycott MPA materials?

    If we (torrent users / site admins) remove MPA / RIAA materials from all torrent sites, shouldn’t their sales go down?

    This solves two problems: The MAFIAA can’t sue everybody with a computer, and the lesser known, less advertised, competitors (indie, etc) will have a greater chance at success because they are the only ones with the opportunity to get their material on this widely popular distribution system.

    I understand that people want to have the latest whatever that everyone is talking about for free… but if someone makes something cool and doesn’t want to share, fuck em I say.

  • an0n

    “google is already making some money from indexing books.the books that they scanned themselves. why not take it to the court?”

    This has happened in Europe

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    As I read the articles imparted
    A rhyme keeps things light-hearted
    But wait- what’s that smell?
    It’s just #12
    I think he must’ve brain-farted

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  • Whatever

    NZB files themselves are also often posted as articles in newsgroups so filtering a site with NZB files won’t help a lot. It’s like the newsgroups version of DHT.

    @22 nubcakes/neo/reason: See #15, that’s a sensible and informative comment, take an example, maybe if you really had some intellect you would have something else todo but troll. Must be good to be paid to be blind to the inconvenient parts of any article and taking things out of context as usual. Trying to convince everyone that NZB itself is illegal ? Selectively forgotten there is a notice and take down policy which means ….(you can fill in the rest with you’re internet-IQ) ?

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