No “3 Strikes” in Spain, Watch Out Torrent Sites
Written by enigmax on June 23, 2009Just days after ISPs in Spain confirmed talks with the music and movie industry had ended without success, entertainment companies have now backed away from their “3 strikes” demands after it became clear the Spanish government does not support their plan. They will go after 200 BitTorrent sites instead.
After failing to come up with viable and attractive legal alternatives for those engaged in illicit file-sharing to consider, the entertainment industry was told by ISPs that enough is enough.
Making their usual demands, the Spanish entertainment industry under the umbrella group ‘Coalition of Creators and Content Industries’ had said that they would only settle for a “3 strikes and you’re out” regime to deal with piracy. The ISPs understandably didn’t like the idea much, and despite government mandated talks they couldn’t come to an agreement and the negotiations ended.
Now, according to a report, the Coalition of Creators and Content Industries has accepted that they will not get a “3 strikes” scheme passed in Spain, particularly since the proposals do not have the support of the government.
Instead of disconnections, the Coalition, which includes the likes of Promusicae and SGAE is now aiming to slow down the Internet connection for alleged infringers, but it seems very unlikely that this proposal will be accepted either.
So, having failed to close down file-sharing sites, given up and gone after users instead – failed and gone after the ISPs to go after the users for them and failed again, it’s back to the old school for the Spanish anti-pirates.
In his first public appearance as Coalition president, Aldo Olcese said his group would now concentrate on taking down the country’s BitTorrent trackers instead. Olcese claims there are now 200 torrent sites in Spain, up from 70 just a few months ago.
Adding that the Coalition was still gathering information on the sites, Olcese said he would reveal their names shortly. However, it’s far from clear what his outfit can do.
The reason there has been such a growth in torrent sites in Spain is because the local courts have ruled time and again that if profits aren’t made directly from copyright infringements, BitTorrent sites are perfectly legal.
So, until Spain rescinds the Chief Prosecutor’s May 2006 official instruction that effectively decriminalized file-sharing, that will remain the case.
The news will not be well received in the United States government, which recently said that part of Spain’s “priority action” to decrease piracy should include an agreement between ISPs and copyright holders to prevent infringing content being available on the Internet.
According to the US such agreements should include “the immediate and effective implementation of graduated response [3 strikes] procedures.” An interesting demand from a foreign government, especially since the United States itself doesn’t have any 3-strikes legislation for illicit file-sharers.
Previously: Sarkozy Says He Will “Go All The Way” With 3 Strikes
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82 Responses
Yays for Spain! :D
around and around they go,
where they’ll stop does anyone know?
They will go after 200 BitTorrent sites instead.—
But that has no legal basis at all, since file sharing is completely legal in Spain, you can’t go after something that’s legal and has the backing of the courts and government.
They have lost the game before even starting it.
spain is one of the best unfortuanly i don’t live in spain
It seems like the American Government thinks of Spain as an experiment for the 3-strikes legislation which they don’t want to have for themselves. Jackasses.
If only holland and france would be more like spain but no these countries are hollywood and USA’s puppy
its a damn shame
I wish people would just learn that the internet should not be policed. The problem is all these old assholes in charge that probably don’t even own a computer.
Further congratulations to Spain for remaining free in this regard. I seem to hear nothing but good from this country concerning filesharing. Keep it up, Spaniards. :)
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<blockquote<The news will not be well received in the United States government, which recently said that part of Spain’s “priority action” to decrease piracy should include an agreement between ISPs and copyright holders to prevent infringing content being available on the Internet.
According to the US such agreements should include “the immediate and effective implementation of graduated response [3 strikes] procedures.” An interesting demand from a foreign government, especially since the United States itself doesn’t have any 3-strikes legislation for illicit file-sharers.
US, you’re my country and all, but stfu. You have no right to push your ways and beliefs onto other countries. Leave them the hell alone.
Yay, I fail at quote tags ten minutes after waking up.
I loved Spanish girls. Now I’m in love with the hole country.
WTG Spain. :)
Ops… made a mistake. lol.
good man take down all public sites public sites are causing to much trouble for everyone that likes to download. this goes for everything including things like limewire dc++ bit torrent. private is the way to go
They’re not even doing basic research of their own government’s stand on sharing media. Like said: the war is over before it even begun. They can’t win against a technological age where we are clearly ahead!
At this point I think everyone who still gives money to the MAFIAA almost deserves to get sued by them.
Give money to artist, give money to torrent sites, give money to pirate parties, but don’t finance those bastards.
The MAFIAA is bad for artists, bad for our culture, bad for civil rights and bad for progress. Let’s get rid of them!
Someone should just launch a mass suit against the copyright industries for harassment. All that their actions really amount to (besides a lot of privacy violations and the like) is harassment.
Personally I think the 3 strikes and your out idea has some merit in it.
But only if the strikes in question equate to actual convictions in a court of law.
I’m pretty sure that if I had been convicted for sharing three times I would be willing to let my ISP disconnect me. In fact I’d probably be blaming them and looking for one that would make me less likely to get caught again.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA that is great
Well atleast something good came out of this. Piracy is on it’s way out. One by one countries are standing together against thieves.
Good job, Spain!
Please continue to resist the BS pressure from the US and Hollywood.
@18
0.2/10
Too obvious, Try again.
@18 yeah heh. neostyles hates p2p same with his buddy unreasoned mind.
What USA rep said all that? its more then likely a lobbyist who doesn’t need to make the US look any worse.
Their economy is in ruins, their politicians get votes no matter how corrupt, and their educative system stinks, but at least they have free file-sharing.
@21.
I think the technology of P2P is simply brilliant. I also think the willful misuse of it to take someone’s work and product without paying for it while hiding behind privacy laws is about the cheapest, most lowlife behavior thus far on this network we share.
Atleast one good thing happened, no 3 strikes.
http://antimatter.atbhost.net/2009/06/23/173/
Spain has awesome laws protecting the citizens of their country. The rest of the countries from around the world should follow their great example. U.S has terrible policies when it comes to protect people, their privacy and civil liberty.
Anyone know how to start creating your own trackers? What program do you use for creating that? How do you create the index search engine like the Pirate Bay? I want to learn how to create and spread the use of file sharing myself. Please kindly give me link to program and training resources if you know. Thank you in advance.
I really want to learn how to create file sharing index site as well. How do I start? What programs to use? Where do I go to learn how create my own torrent site?
Damn, wonder how immense the economy is within these associations =S
Yes make your own Torrentz site, get free board and lodgings for upto three years. Mind you the room is crap and the view stinks probably as much as your cell mate? Mind you pay the so called stars less, don’t pay Britney Robbie Williams et al such stupid sums and CDs DVDs cost so little, why bother torrenting when CDs cost $1,50 and DVDs $3
@”Reasoned” Mind
Nothing’s being taken. Filesharing is not theft. Try again.
I failed, next time I’ll get more sleep, need sleeping pills….
Economic terrorism at work …Do the spanish like a foreign power telling them what they can and can’t do?
What there govt can and cant do?
What there people cna and cant do?
ALSO is spying on a site that has explicit terms and for what use , what would spying on legal enterprises mean for these people as well?
Is it legal for me to peak through your windows?
( but your honor i think they were downloading music so i looked in there window )
same should apply me thinks to the current situation, his admission above they are “gathering knowledge” on those sites needs to be open and clear about what activity they are in fact doing. If it involves looking inside the window then that should be in most countries an illegal act in and of it self.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Spain
and spain isn’t as bad off as the user above would say….
Glad that the 3 strikes didn’t work, im sure they will knock out a few cheap torrent sites but they will loose that battle too eventually.
Long Live File Sharing!
Filesharing is theft as you are stealing copy-righted material, punishable by law. If you buy software3 or movie you do not own that you have a licence to use/watch/listen, you BUY that licence…..how did you obtain your licence? you didn’t?
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“Nothing’s being taken. Filesharing is not theft.”
In order to posses an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work you must take a copy, literally, at no pay to the holder of the rights. You literally take a copy. Take it without paying for it. You are wasting your time splitting semantic hairs. Tell it to the judge and see if they agree with your rhetorical gymnastics.
Like Daniel Dove and Jammie and soon enough, Joel. heh.
Piracy can’t be stopped. Torrents can’t be stopped. Sharing can’t be stopped.
End of story.
Trolls and RIAA/MPAA lovers, move along. There’s nothing to see here.
@39 Nice one
Boohoo, people who run torrent sites should be in jail.
Boohoo, copying really is theft because our mafiaa friends didn’t got payed, now quit splitting hairs.
@neotroll..
Don’t you realize that this is a bad thing for your anti-piracy effort?? I doubt they will get 1 site shutdown..
I wish the corporate suits would get a clue. You’re heavy handed tactics and corruption of governments & laws are just going to get people more resistant to you and thus create more pirates! You are creating and making the problem worse not better. One just has to look at your ever expanding profit line to know that you are not hurting what-so-ever. So quit your lies. Learn to adapt a deal with the public fairly.
@39 Like it or not, copying is not stealing. Telling the contrary is nothing but blatant propaganda ignoring the obvious difference between material and immaterial goods. Have you ever tried to copy a car on your disk?
@45, NoOne, cable TV signals are intangible and yet the law protecting stolen signal is defined as “Theft of Service.” Services are intangible, too.
The act of taking a copy of anything intended for sale but willfully avoiding payment by hiding while you take it deprives the creator/owner of their just compensation, and leaves the value of the sale in the pocket of thief.
Either you are intelligent and know you are dissembling, or you are a fool parroting something you heard or read. Material or immaterial, the net result to the creator/owner is the same, so tell it to the judge.
Or perhaps you’d prefer infringement redefined as criminal… stealing?, and tried and punished accordingly?
There’s more hate around this article than usual.
>illicit file-sharing
>Spain
In Spain, all file-sharing is LICIT unless it’s made for profit. And no, having ads in your bittorrent/edonkey link site doesn’t count, as shown in court.
In Spain there’s a thing called “the right to private copy”. Some people should learn2SpanishLaw.
Finally, just like some fellow commenters have said, “America, you’re not the world police.” Stop interfering with other countries affairs.
Reasoned Mind and his cronies annoy me.
This is a pro-piracy forum, you don’t have to come here and spout off at the mouth like you are an online encyclopedia of overwhelming goodness and caring. I understand that you are in the minority here and feel like you need to come across as knowledgeable with all your handy know-how on copyright law, but take it down a notch would you? Loosen your tie, take down the first button on your collared shirt and see how it feels.
..Please?
We all know how the law defines stealing, most people here just disagree in that creating a copy is not on the same level as physically stealing a material item. You can consider a download a lost sale, but in the very least it is not a real loss of revenue because no artist or company had to actually invest money into that particular copy and wait for the return. As smart as you are, surely you can grasp this simple concept.
Don’t give us some sob story about taking money out of artists pockets either, especially if they are signed with RIAA affiliated labels like Sony and BMG. Fact of the matter is, all of the worlds pirates combined do not even come close to the pirates within these companies. These labels seize every opportunity to shortchange artists by skimming royalties and going so far as to dip their greedy hands into concert and merchandise earnings- money that has traditionally been the main source of income for these artists. And don’t even get me started on the RIAA’s slippery attempts at robbing artists of their copyrights through their clever “Work for Hire” agenda, quietly slipped into a seemingly unrelated bill in the senate a few years back (it did not pass).
Perhaps I pirate music so that these companies can’t rip off artists further through their container fees and other bullshit clauses included in the artists contract. Remember folks, even if you purchase music legitimately through iTunes the artist still loses a percentage of that sale to cover the cost of packaging. Good deal for the label!
Isn’t it obvious yet that these labels truly do have the artists interests at heart?
“Isn’t it obvious yet that these labels truly do have the artists interests at heart?”
And that last statement, ladies and gentlemen, is sarcasm.
@Reasoned_Mind (39)
Slight math lesson:
inf – x = inf. Always.
You cannot “take from” an infinite supply. Stealing DIMINISHES it — that’s why it’s BAD. It causes a LOSS of SOMETHING.
Filesharing does not. It INCREASES the supply — ever-approaching infinity.
So… yeahhh. :/
@Reasoned Mind
That copy is being freely given by seeders on the torrent. Your wording implies that I am taking a copy from someone without their permission. I am being given a copy by others on the Internet who believe in the same concept of sharing as I do. I am sorry, but it remains that filesharing is not stealing.
You’re starting to sound a lot like neostyles, what with your use of terms like “thief.” Filesharing is not theft. The files I’m downloading are not for sale, they are free to whoever wants them. Others can sell their copies of the files if they want, but not a single file on my computer was “intended for sale.” Neither are any of the files I send to others, or that I seed to my peers.
Also, who said we hide? I share copyrighted material. Gasp, I said it. I’ll start watching for the police at my door.
Let’s try a third option: I’m an idealist who is contributing to a freer world in the future.
Not true. The mere fact that we can charge for things that have no value is horribly stupid. You can’t put monetary value on things you can endlessly duplicate. Basic concept of our market: prices are influenced by supply.
http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/jason-rohrer/freeDistribution.html
Read this to see why selling copies for a living is a bad business model.
Continue to fight against the industry who simply want to limit the people’s right to share, Spain. It’ll do you good in the future.
We’re looking at the one sensible country in the EU here, which has followed the very law established by the copyright defenders – “if no profit is made from the work, it is licensed for personal use”.
All they are doing is simply not giving in to the threat of governing the internet by fear, and it is admirable that they are.
Now, I live in a country that isn’t one bit idealistic and we sell CDs DVDs of pirated material for a profit (if ever so slight a profit). But guess what? Rather than completely driving the venezuelan music industry to hell…rather, it has eliminated all the bad artists that were only in it for the money (that is to say, what in the US is called “pop music”) and is now composed entirely of artists who merely do art for art’s sake and actually improved the quality overall.
So who says that filesharing en masse can only bring ruin to the entertainment industry?
Next time you take a leak, a nap, a break or a shit, pay up. There’ll probably be a relevant alphabet clone ready and waiting to take your money, but you won’t mind. Would you?
the easist site for torrents (movies, music, software, games) is http://www.entertane.com – faster, simpler – and you can search all your favorite torrent sites.
P.S. Spain’s file-sharing laws are awesome.
How utterly self absorbed. ITS SOMEONE ELSE’S WORK! It does have value, even if it’s not tangible, because people enjoy it. If it had no value, then why do people mindlessly steal it?
Freedom has limits. This is the basis of any civilized society. Apparantly, you dont know these exist, so brace yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws
Monetary gain is not a requisite of theft. You ARE depriving them of their rightful profits. Intellectual property was designed to imbue non tangible property with similar rights and protections as tangible property.
You haven’t seen the news?
http://torrentfreak.com/more-bittorrent-users-go-anonymous-090622/
AND IN DOING SO, YOU ARE EVADING PAYMENT. You’re starting to sound pretty disingenuous. Where non tangible propety is possible, depleting the creator’s supply, isn’t applicable. You are still depriving them of profits.
@49 :
It’s supposed to be an impartial arena for discussion.
So, you can have nontangible stealing. The company did, however, invest it’s trust in the public that they would pay for their things, and thus contribute to the things they enjoy instead of being parasites. With the legal versions, you are getting copies too, the only difference being that you paid for them.
Great logic! So do you think an aritst would become an aritst if none of the sales went to them?
@4nd
“You’re starting to sound a lot like neostyles, what with your use of terms like “thief.””
That’s because Reasoned Mind is neostyles.
He’s got this good troll, bad troll ruitine going where he makes his less abbrasive comments under his Reason Mind pseudonym, and his more abbrasive comments under his neostyles pseudonym.
Which is pretty funny considering that his ‘Reasoned Mind’ moniker used to be 10x more hostile than ‘neostyles’, back when the paid MAFIAA shill was still learning the ropes of trolling TorrentFreak.
This is actually his fourth(give or take) version of ‘Reasoned Mind’.
cool story bro :)
@46 Case A: Peter wouldn’t pay 20 euros for a DVD movie anyway. If he copies the movie, where is the damage?
Case B: Paul would pay 20 euros for a DVD movie if he can not copy the movie. He can and does so. Where is the damage?
Case C: Jack would pay 100 euros to get his car repaired if he can not repair it. He can and does so. Where is the damage?
Let’s see if you are really a reasoned mind.
jackass americans now want rule other countries and with laws they don’t have.
americans are beyond really stupid
americans can send their overweight and donut destroying policemen to go after their overweight population
no cars… all that blubber on a foot chase.
spain will deamand that americans stop being overweight and stupid.
a tree strike law will be inforced, if they don’t stop they will be terminated
hasta la vista baby…
This whole pirating business in music comes down to a change in paradigms. The paradigm has shifted, and this means a whole new game, where the recording labels will lose revenue. Tough. It happens all the time, my dear recording label friends. Things change, the world changes. Once you were able to monopolize the recording of artists because only you could afford the equipment. Now it’s no longer required to pay top dollar to record a great song or a set of songs I don’t even call them CDs or albums anymore, because soon enough the concept of albums will be gone too. Another paradigm shift. Soon, bands will just cut out the middle man, learn to record and mix and master by themselves, many already do so, and then just churn out song after song, sometimes together, sometimes individually. Cool, huh? I truly hope this happens soon. By then, record companies won’t have a reason to exist and all this nonsense about lawsuits by the stupid suits representing these companies will end. And the cool thing is that possibly -hopefully- so-called musicians produced by these companies like Britney and the like will cease to exist too, because then real talent and creativity will be what draws the crowds to the bands or artists.
Now, pirating has always existed, and will always exist. Earlier, it was done via cassettes, you just needed to have one friend who could afford the original, and then everyone would record their favorite songs. Now it’s even easier, and to be honest, it will never be stopped. It can be diminished in certain countries, but there is no stopping it. Even if they shut down the torrent sites completely, friends would still just buy one copy of the music and share it via usbs, etc. So, how will musicians make a buck? Well, first of all, certain musicians who find their niche do really well even if they didn’t sell too many albums. See Iron Maiden. They fill stadiums to this day and it’s a 20+ year old band! And ain’t no downloading avalanche of pirated Maiden albums gonna make them stop playing. Same with several indie bands. What the recording industries don’t get is that the way they got filthy rich was never deserved by them, that was never right. And now they´re kicking and screaming cause someone is taking one of millions of candies away. Big babies! Enjoy your ride while you can, hopefully you’ll cease to exist soon enough. They were in it just for the buck, not the love of art. I don’t have anything about business, but if you read new trends, you’ll realize a business thrives when it caters to their customers. Now their time is hopefully up. Now is the time when true artists will be able to create art, some will fare better than others, some not, but this would be the case even without piracy. And whoever said you had to be a millionaire for it to be worth being a musician? Hell, I used to play in a small bar I loved, got paid a small amount for each show, but I would do it every day from the heart, and would do it again, and it was a nice extra income. Who says you have to sell millions of albums to be successful? that’s the problem with the world today, they only focus on the bottom line instead of having a life. My conclusion is that, even though it sometimes hurts their wallets, musicians who get popular by true fans will fare well even if they gave away their mp3 songs. I believe this is where the future is headed. In the future, music will be free, and the revenue might come from shows, physical merchandise and the like. And if you don’t make it, who says you have to? Or who says a musician can’t hold two jobs to maintain himself? Who told you “it’s either living off your music or die?” Life offers too many options to be that narrow minded. don’t be greedy. That’s my long ass 2 cents. Peace.
“Piracy is on it’s way out.”
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Oh, Neostyles, Neostyles… such an active imagination. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, a total INTERNET CLASSIC.
Oh, it’s all over guys, piracy is on it’s way out!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, fuckin’ brilliant lad.
Wow, what a bummer. Must suck to live in Spain!
Jimmah
http://www.total-privacy.tk
@ 4D
Man, you are really working those trolls (neostyles/reanoned mind) there….:)…yesterday I wrote some rebuttals to neostyles/RM to the Sarkozi HADOPI article, but they are always bringing the same, dead arguments, and trying to force the current conception of law/order into our mindframes.
As mentionned before, there is a paradigm-change going on in those matters, and this issue is as fluent(in process), as my hangovered shit after “dia de San Juan” in Spain, and it’s making these bots riddiculous, who are trying here to “solidify” the argumentation using the current IP law.
The laws, which had been laws before(and enforced as well), are not anymore, as segregation, as slavery, as women’s rights. Babbling about reasons for current laws may sound reasonable(and there are many “reasonable” arguments for slavery as well), but its doubtful, that it will stand the test of times.
And hell yeah, nobody is buying from the butcher, who is(or did, or will) butcher a few of his customers, its just simple market psychology. This is the type of arrogance the free market will punish accordingly with insolvency and similar delicatesses. Then, reasoned and neo will not be able to post BS here, coz their ISP will disconnect them due non-payments…:)
@ 64
Whoa, that’s a longcat there too.
Nice to see, that we are not just stupid trolls like our “friends”.
neostyles: “Piracy is on it’s way out.”
LMFAO! I think your brain is on it’s way out.
@ 65
Sorry, was meant as answer to @ 62.
Now i’m going for coffee here.
In Spain can’t be theft because there is something called “private copy right” the right to make copies for personal use of the copier. To compensate the “author” there is a overcharge in several products as DVD, CD, Hard disk, mobil phones …
of at least 170 million €, ( all the estimations are that this year they have obtained at least 220 million €).
if we use a CD as reference for copyright the author obtain about 0.20€ that means that the spanish people would need the equivalent to 850 million private copies of CDs to cover for the 170 million € and we are only 40 million person and of them at least half would not even understand the frase “Rip a CD”. What the “Coalition” is trying to do is to get this money for the “right” of making copies at the same time that they block the means to “make” copies.
beware the world police under the banner of the red white and blue…
Hey TrueMusician, an album is a collection of something, like a photo album, or a record album. The word album needn’t go away, ’cause it’s versatile, see?
I think we all know that the US documents regarding the copyright protections of other countries was written by the media companies and handed to some bureaucrat to “present” as the official policy. It has no weight, and isn’t even taken seriously in the US.
Well, as for the “artists” getting paid for their work… I say get a real fucking job – auto-tuning some crappy catchphrase over someone else’s beats is hardly an art form, especially when those beats/riffs/etc have all been recycled 100000 times.
Its easy to say “oh then there won’t be any more music” . Bullshit. As long as girls swoon over any skinny loser with a guitar, there will be music being made. In fact, we might see some progress in music since people wouldn’t feel compelled to just copy what every other big selling act is doing right now.
Making music should be a hobby, same with sports and other trivial entertainment things. Sure, a great baseball player or singer deserves to make a decent living wage, but they sure as fuck don’t deserve to make 100x what a doctor makes in a year! The reality of our current system is that it encourages far too many young kids to focus their energies on generally unrealistic goals (“i want to be a rockstar/nba star/etc”) instead of focusing on academics like the rest of the world. Hmmm maybe this is why our school system sucks so much!
@72 That’s true! XD
hadn’t thought about it like that! They will be personal and changeable though, I think… like those mixes you find “Monsters of Rock” LOL! And some of them will be as long as my previous comments!
Viva la pirateria!
“I used to doooooooownload songs,
and record labels cursed at me,
now nobody remeeeeeeembers them,
now the old king is dead, music is freee!” BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vamos!!! Preperamos para mas PUTOS!!!!
http://www.entertane.com – the easist site for torrents (movies, music, software, games) – faster, simpler – and you can search all your favorite torrent sites.
@ 46 Neostyles:
“Great logic! So do you think an artist would become an artist if none of the sales went to them?”
Most artists are surprised at just how short their end of the stick is once they sign into a contract. It’s not uncommon for many artists to feel that they were taken advantage of, the problem that exists here is that they don’t have much negotiation power when it comes to their offered contracts. Even top lawyers admit that these recording contracts offered by these major labels are hardly negotiable, so many artists simply feel they don’t have a choice.
I’m not saying that sales don’t go to the artist, and I’m sure they do appreciate the royalties they DO receive, but they may also feel like they were strong-armed a bit by their label. It gets even worse with royalty deductions such as free goods, container fees, etc where the label is free to pocket profit that should have otherwise gone to the artist on some technicality. Since the record companies work the financial books they are able to work them any way they want, essentially cheating the artist out of due royalties. Because these companies are careful, there are no monetary penalties owed to the artist under contract should it be discovered through an audit (that the artist is forced to pay for, by the way) that the artist was cheated out of royalties. What is the labels incentive then NOT to rip off an artist?
Neostyles and Reasoned Mind: if you work for the RIAA or for any of these major recording companies than you must be aware that these companies, generally speaking, do not treat their artists fairly. If it were up to them, these artists would be indentured servants for life. The best thing that protects these artists from these one-sided contracts is the California seven-year rule which the RIAA fought extensively to get artists excluded from this law. These recording companies are afraid that if the artists are only bound by seven years (which is still quite a stretch, given that most contracts are one year with four options) that they will not receive their full worth. Basically what they are implying is that, on the off chance an artist should become very successful, the company wants to own these artists for life. I still fail to see how you believe the record companies have the artists best interest in mind.
The ball is back in your court. I expect you’ll send it back…
The us always wants things their way … And impose their ideaology without consideration of their practice … Unilateral terrorist agreement with UK .. Greenhouse emissions … Even WMDs …. This shouldn’t be a surprise …. Consistency was never a strong suit
Do old dogs running governments around the world even understand what a torrent is???? It’s fairly obvious to me the internet provides a more direct representation of people’s will than any representative democracy could ever hope to. That being said…haven’t we already voiced our opinion by frequenting theses sites?
US seems to imagine itelf as ruler of the universe.
They should stop trying to command everyone.
Lets hope Spain will have guts to send corrupted US congress dogs to fuck themselves.
Digital data streams are owned by no one.I for one am,grabbing them,viewing them,to see whats going on and then its sits on a hard drive,in case I forget that I watched it..0000111000 is free as a bird,and the people in power,your days are numbered.You are horrible old men who destroyed this earth.,and the young will get you soon.stef.
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