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Anti-Piracy Group To DRM Breaker: OK To Break The Law

A consumer who reported himself to an anti-piracy group to try to force a change in copyright law has finally received a response. Denmark’s Antipiratgruppen acknowledges that the man broke the law when he circumvented DRM, but have told him that since it was for personal use with no further distribution, there is no desire to sue him.

Danish copyfighter Henrik Anderson has a dilemma. Although the laws in his country allow him to copy DVDs for his own personal use, they forbid him to remove the DRM in order to do so.

Wanting to have this legal contradiction dealt with by his government, he confessed to anti-piracy group Antipiratgruppen that he had illegally broken the DRM on a hundred movies and TV shows. The full background to the case can be found here.

After Antipiratgruppen missed the deadline to respond, Henrik announced a couple of days ago he would report himself to the police. But now the group has responded, in a way that is possibly as confusing as the original law, although in a way that also makes perfect sense.

Their first paragraph notes that it is illegal to circumvent the “so-called effective technological measures” without the consent of rights holders – a reference to copy protection on a DVD. They also note that making a copy of the DVD in order to watch it on a media center (this issue Henrik is trying to draw attention to) is also illegal.

So far, so good. Now here’s the interesting part:

That said, the main purpose of the rule is to ensure against abuse of films and music being illegally copied and distributed further. The Association of Danish Videodistributors certainly have no interest in suing consumers who like you have purchased legitimate products – quite the contrary.

In a nutshell, Antipiratgruppen says that as long as people buy movies initially, they don’t mind them a taking digital copy for their own use, as long as there is no distribution to 3rd parties – despite both acts being equally illegal.

Commenting on the news, Henrik told TorrentFreak: “I’m glad that they will not prosecute me. But at the same time it’s still illegal, so …”

Henrik says that since this section of copyright law has no effect in the real world, it should simply be abolished so that people know where they stand, since other people in the future might take a different stance.

“Who is to say that if the anti-piracy group suddenly falls over a man with a 1000 films that they would not prosecute him, even though he has paid for his films? Once again: it is still illegal,” he told us.

Although Antipiratgruppen have responded promising not to prosecute, Henrik told TorrentFreak that he’s not going to rest here.

“Act (§ 75C) is not modified / removed yet. Only on the day where the Culture Minister said the law will be removed / changed will my goal be reached.”

Next week, Henrik will try to contact the Culture Minister, who thus far hasn’t been interested in doing much, but at least at this point must realize that there is something very wrong with the law.

The full response from Antipiratgruppen can be found here.

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  • Jigsy

    Wow.

    That wouldn’t be allowed here (UK) …

    It’s still illegal to convert CDs you own to mp3 …

  • Croveno

    WOW as well

    UK would kill him esp Lord maddy

  • Rich

    I really really hope something comes of this. This guy has got some balls and it would be nice if a change in copyright law came of it. The response of the Antipiratgruppen show me that they want to keep these stupid laws in effect so that they can just arbitrary screw people over at their leisure.

  • OKMR

    So if they say its ok… its ok.
    But when they say its not, ppl get sued.

    AWESOME!

  • Trixx

    What if he just casually gives away his copy, or gives the original disc away, but keeps the copy he made.. Then what if the neighbor down the street wants to borrow it, but you don’t trust him with the original disc, so you let him borrow the copy…

    i’m confused.

  • pete

    and if he sells the original, he has to throw away the copy?

    well, no purpose for drm in denmark…

    go, henrik, the police is next!

  • in.cog.nito

    I hope some people in power take notice of this guys efforts, and stand behind him for some grass-roots changes to be made.

  • Nathan

    yes mate!!!! keep on fighting to stop the corruption!! remember sharing is caring!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    He committed a crime, confessed, and the anti-pirates acknowledge it was a crime, but add that it was OK.

    NO! It’s not OK. A crime is a crime, no matter how you look at it. It’s a shame that neither the anti-pirates nor the police are willing to get him fined.

    :P

  • Gabeux

    Brazil doesn’t have any of these problems, and I hope that in the future that kind of thing don’t happen here.

    Going ‘full-out’ against all filesharers is incredibly dumb, creating alternative business models to make the original product more attractive than the pirate one is a beggining.

  • Mouh

    obviously they weren’t going to change the law, but I’m surprised they didn’t sue.
    They probably realized that the bribe they’d need to pay is bigger that what they’d receive

    @enigmax
    “a hundred moveis” paragraph 2
    should be movies

  • Damien

    What if someone gets hold of one his rips and god forbid spreads it via p2p. Isn’t that how file sharing starts? Because of him they stand to lose billions of dollars.

    They should sue him for $500,000,000.

  • anon2

    this dont mean squat! all they are doing is further confusing the issues simply because they dare not give straight answers. and like the guy says, the desire to prosecute can change in the future. make up your minds so people at least know whether what they are doing is legal and acceptable or not and, just as important, make the decisions universal instead of varying from country to country!

  • Hmm . ..

    Sue them for encouraging a criminal activity! :D

  • Jasper100

    so it’s only legal if pro-(c) groups like your activities!

    that’s nice to hear, they have finally succeeded in their aim to gain might!

  • Jasper100

    *power

  • Fake Reasoned Mind

    He stole those files because its against the law and he should be prosecuted/persecuted! The law is the law. What is the law?

  • redbaron

    Talking about silly laws…They allow you to copy and at the same time there is secuirity measures that you can’t break legally in order to copy…for personal use only. ;) This is plain stupidity omho.

  • Everything..In its right place

    Total non-story Boll-oxs

    If you paid for a licence to watch it- you can watch it – End of story
    Like anyone gives a fCuk if you have a copy on MCE PC-yep the Police are gonna break ya door down over that one.(NOT)

    However breaking CP so 1million people can dload it over the net, your sorry ass should be hauled off to juby. Leave the inet to those law abiding citizens. The sooner the better all these crims are locked up. You can “$hare a cell” as you like sharing so much

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  • gorehound

    they are still a crop of krap.i am no longer going to be buying any corporate studio films new.if i have to own a film it will be bought used.
    holywood and your stooges beware…………you will never se a dime of my money when it comes to movies.

  • oldman

    I wonder what would happen if every so-called pirate “world-wide” were to go the authorities and confess also?

    Obviously all on the same day, date and time.

  • Anonymous

    @Everything..In its right place

    “If you paid for a licence to watch it- you can watch it – End of story”

    Not according to Danish law, which is why Henrik Anderson is doing what he’s doing. Miss the point much?

    “However breaking CP so 1million people can dload it over the net, your sorry ass should be hauled off to juby.”

    Oh really? How about giving us an explanation for that bullshit?

  • SmellyG

    “The Association of Danish Videodistributors certainly have no interest in suing consumers who like you have purchased legitimate products – quite the contrary”

    If they really meant that, there would be no use for the DRM that the guy is circumventing. If they are saying it’s OK to actually circumvent it, then they the last thing its gonna do is:

    “ensure against abuse of films and music being illegally copied and distributed further”

    The only thing it will ensure is its pissing off the PAYING CUSTOMERS!

    I support the guy fully. Hopefully this will be yet another step to fully opening the flood gates on this issue.

  • GrX

    i’d love to see someone in england try this i’d be behind them all the way.

    then i would take it much further all these company’s making cd copying dvd ripping tools but claim it only works on none DRM (CSS/ACSS) content.

    their selling you high price software which they know full well 99.9% of every commercial CD/DVD is copy protected so their software is actually useless but they keep promoting new versions new builds.

    then DVD copiers the whole point a dvd copier is to copy dvd’s but if all them DVD’s are once again protected just how is it possible your meant to use these drives for what they was intended for?

    Then i’d SUE the FCC for rubber stamping and approving DivX players.

    Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic and hundreds more support DivX and XviD but even though these formats are widely supported and approved by the FCC their is no LEGAL media on this planet or a online/Walk in store where you can buy MEDIA to play in this format??????

    lol the FCC approves of a format and a DVD player which under legal terms is illigal to use which ever way you look at it.

    Their breaking the law by making and supporting a device that you cannot buy media in the format it supports.

    99.9% of DivX/XivD is capped or ripped from DVDS these players sell in their billions but yet not 1 single way of legally buying DivX/XviD content to play on these damn things.

    Then i would hit Game companys using 5 installs and constant activation and have that made illegal.

    imagine buying a microwave that after 5 times using it just told you to get stuffed?

    Late for work again GrX??? yes sir i drove my car 4 times this week so it’s locked me out until next wensday.

    Hey GrX you’ve cut your front lawn but the back lawn’s a complete mess what happened?

    Oh, my lawn mower will only cut the front garden it turns off soon as i try to cut the back…

    My oven only works with mc’ain oven chips anything else it just refuses to cook?

    Sounds stupid eh? well this is happening with digital media world wide right now.

    Pfft.. under the law you can make a backup copy but if there is restrictions on that media then by law you can’t make a backup copy lol

    how backwards of a law is that bullshit

  • lol

    I am even more confused now.

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  • None

    “Anti-Piracy Group To DRM Breaker: OK To Break The Law”

    Since the law is already broken by the entertainment parasites there is nothing left to break and we can do whatever we want.

    If these pieces of crap believe that we are waiting for their advices about that they are delusional.

    We want them dead and we will get what we want.

  • DRM = EPIC FAIL

    Lard Maddy takes it in the arse.

  • bucko

    Can he produce some CSS encrypted content himself (or get a friend to do it), then sue himself (or get the friend to sue him)?

  • MPAA real agenda

    To understand the MPAA’s real agenda the documentry “This Film Is Not Yet Rated” should be seen, it’s a eye opener as to the extent the MPAA cartel will go to, to protect it’s business model from outsiders, this based on it’s absurd control of movie ratings only. The MPAA wants total control of the internet as well, because it removes the control of distribution of movies from the MPAA, and this is what this supposed anti piracy movement is all about, it’s just a smoke screen for it’s real objective which is to protect it’s current control of the movie industry by controlling the internet thereby eroding and encroaching on my online privacy and freedom, why should they be able to sniff my internet traffic, emails etc, are they allowed to look into my “snail mail”, NO, there as laws against tempering with “snail mail” so I don’t see why my email and internet connection shouldn’t be protected with the same laws.

    I refuse to buy any entertainment from a clutch of organisations with such despicable, morally corrupt business practices.

    BOYCOTT THE FVCKERS.

  • MD3

    29 – bucko
    No, because then you’d have the “consent of the rightholder” which in case is yourself! Unless the person have some double-personality disorder, lol.

  • Brudda

    To MPAA real agenda,
    Put the coffee down, sir – and back away slowly…

    You say the movie industry wants to control the internet. Then why are they fighting creating a business model which would OWN the internet instead of fighting internet distribution tooth and nail? As a US citizen, I’ve learned that big companies have only one concern – the bottom line. The MPAA has completely failed in any attempts to control the internet, stop file sharing, and in finding ways to make the internet contribute to their profits.

    “The MPAA wants total control of the internet as well, because it removes the control of distribution of movies from the MPAA,…”
    If your above statement is true, then why have they totally failed to utilize the internet as a way to increase profits?
    Your comments prove you don’t have a realistic grasp of the way corporate America does business. Trust me, they don’t give a rat’s ass about your e-mails, etc. Your e-mails won’t contribute to a higher EPS next quarter.

  • MPAA real agenda

    @ Brudda,
    Sure They don’t give a rats ass about my emails, but they do give a rats ass about controlling the isp’s which will have to inspect every packet which I send to determine whether the content is legal, i.e. I’m not breaking copyright, If the MPAA could DIRECTLY control the net through aquisition of all isp’s they would, but that would raise anti competition flags, so instead they want the government to legislate that isp’s monitor what passes through my internet connection hence doing their dirty work for them, don’t you think that’s insidious, sinister and against my basic rights to privacy, nobody is allowed to inspect my “paper post” besides customs, so why should any private organisation have the right to inspect my electronic mail/connection, I hope you see the connection.

  • Anonymous

    Why not just pass a law that makes it illegal to prevent the legal copying of purchased goods. Then they could not ship the DRM to begin with.

  • Paul

    If he committed a crime, the authorities should charge him.

    If he infringed on copyright, or caused monetary or other loss to the media owners, then the owners should sue him.

    Anyone wishing to copy their paid media for own personal use should save this email and use it as a legal doc for when they are dragged to court.

  • Jan Schotsmans

    @3: exactly.

    They don’t want laws to change.

    The copyright laws, all over the world, are so messed up and dubious, that the difference between you winning or loosing a case is defined by the size/quality of your legal staf.

    Its perfect for them, they can go after soft targets all they want, raking in lots of money, staying clear from hard targets like the guy in this article, who is clearly looking to prove a point.

  • DeltaPan

    Well technically it is illegal t play a radio in public due to copyright which is ridiculous.

    A QuikFit outfit were even prosecuted under copyright law still in statute from the 1960′s, technically a few years back here in the UK and were found guilty and fined.

    But QuikFit in that instance were playing the radio in the car bay, for customers and is one instance of the decades old legislation being used to sue somebody for copyright infringement through playing a radio in public, technically one is still required to possess a TV licence to even use a radio, still on statue but never enforced.
    At the end of the day…

    Anti piracy agencies and the organisations using them cannot address every downloader of films or music and will only ever be corporate greed victimising a sample minority in order to scare the millions upon millions who are the majority and offset costs of living which are forever rising, by downloading entertainment media etc, games and software’s.

    Victimisation, is all it is.

    If they prosecute in the civil courts, or with any change in law making copyright infringement by downloading, criminal, one single individual, they should prosecute everybody!

    They cannot do that, the Digital Economies bill will not change anything but cause a lot of economic damage and i say a way forward i call “Compliance through co-operation” be seen by us downloaders and media entertainments corporate as the way forward.

    where Cam versions are made criminal by multilateral agreement, Cam versions being a main cause of primary profit uptake losses.

    Then admin at torrent hosting sites do more to stop DVD rip torrents from being uploaded until a 3 to 6 month period has elapsed allowing DVD retailers and hire outlets to gain secondary profit uptake until the curves drop to negligible loss to retailers.

    music albums should be similar, a few months to allow artists to make profit and then after 3-6 months torrent uploads permitted, even if buying single by single over weeks, music is now pocket money prices at that level so if people want a freebie they wait a few months.

    Same with software’s, only previous versions of software’s be allowed, new version releases not uploaded at all, want a freebie then use a prior version.

    People will always want to see films at the box office, buy the DVDs, buy a music album, latest software’s.

    Not many low income and unemployed people can afford to do so and the industries need to understand that by all the actions they are currently taking, only the worst off in society stand to be affected, they catch somebody earning £50,000PA they laugh at fines imposed and the industry cannot rationalise million pound lawsuits that isn’t gonna happen.

    At the same time, downloaders cannot continue to compromise entertainment material from realising a good amount of primary profit uptake because it will impact the ability to produce new material, software developments etc.

    So i feel that we the downloaders as well as the entertainments industries, software developers, game developers etc etc etc, need to find a happy medium and stick to that.

    That happy medium i suggest is complience through co-operation where no new material is allowed, we want free material, we wait until those creating or developing the material have their primary profit and the industries accept the world is different, there is a major economic shift everywhere on the planet and low income and the unemployed have improved quality of life by being able do download certain material and leave copyright action alone when films or anything is beyond a period from release dates.

    Everybody is then happy, all it requires is tolerance by authorities and torrent sites to disallow any material newer than 3-6 months from release, no box office cam version at all, no brand new software’s etc.

    If we want it free, we should wait!

    I ran this by Lord Mandelson, wonder if my concept of “Compliance through co-operation”, third way philosophy, was even given a second thought.

    As DRM’s are bunkum, nonsense that may as well not exist and wanting to penalise the poorest in society in the name of greed is utterly out of order and is simply victimisation and desire to cause social adversity.

    the world has changed, governments and authorities need to understand that, as too downloader communities need to understand the opposite factors.

    I for one am stopping all Cam downloads, did so a while ago now and checking to see when DVD’s are released on IMDB, already deselecting several newer released scifi films i want to see and will wait until next Febraury/March until i do download them, not hard to do, we want free, we wait.

    The authorities will do a lot of damage to the internet and online economy if we don’t curtail the main downloader factors denying primary profit uptake and i don’t want to be part of that damage, nor will i ever stop downloading the material i do because i am on the poverty line, if i was currently working and disposable allowed, i’d purchase, but same as all too many people that isn’t the case.

    It’s something everybody needs to think about, pro and anti, not doing so is self serving and selfish.

    Peace.

    PaxDeltaPan.

    Enlightened Evolution.
    Tempered From The Chaotic Forge Of Life.

  • Stefing

    Hasn’t home taping killed music yet? ;)

  • Anonymous

    @DeltaPan
    While I agree with what you are saying the problem is that the media cartels will not agree to this because they just want to increase their profits.

    Straight from the MPAA site…

    * The Domestic box office continued to grow in 2008, reaching $9.79 billion after a 1.7% gain. (refer to page 3 of the 2008 MPAA Theatrical Statistics report)

    * Worldwide box office reached another all-time high in 2008 at $28.1 billion, an increase of 5.2% over 2007. (refer to page 2 of the 2008 MPAA Theatrical Statistics report)

    And still they claim they are loosing money! They are simply greedy and will never change!

  • M-RES

    @ GRX

    You’re wrong about the whole issue of selling software for copying DVDs, DVD Burners and the DiVX/XViD formats.

    I’m on your side btw, but personally I use DVD rippers myself to perform perfectly legal rips of DVD movies made my family and friends (home videos) and use burners to put those back onto other DVDs, sometimes with some editing/compilation in between. I also use those DVD burners for much more than just burning movies. I use them as my main data backup system too, to store archives of work.
    I find that the home movies I rip and burn back to DVD use quite large filesizes, so it’s very handy to be able to compress those files down using a codec like DiVX, and even better when I can burn those DiVX movies to a disc and play it back on a hardware device that supports it, which saves me a lengthy transcode later!

    There are many perfectly lawful AND legal scenarios for all of these technologies which is why they are allowed to exist. If there were no lawful/legal justification for them, they’d be outlawed in a flash – we know how the ‘entertainment’ companies hold immense sway over legislative power after all.

  • snepet

    In Norway making your own copies is allowed by law.

    Film and Music industry lost a case on it ages ago.
    (Just after the sony rootkit scandal.)
    If you buy a product you should be allowed to play it on whatever medium you prefer.

    Thus DRM on cd’s and dvd’s were prohibited.

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  • DeltaPan

    @39 – anon.

    Indeed, it is corporate greed and will not see reason, cease and desist downloader victimisation voluntarily.

    The nature of corporates is sociopathic, we all know that.

    I am not anti establishment, far from it, but i’ve little tolerance for corporates who couldn’t give a damn who they cause to suffer in their puruit of greater profit even though they are the few with the most money where the many are suffering badly these days

    Which is why governments considering legislation’s and controls, such as the UK’s digital economy bill and others in Europe doing similar, USA etc would need to insist they, the greedy corporates, who are more at fault than uploaders and downloaders would be if torrent hosting websites and the peer to peer community agreed to only upload and download material which passes a period where creators/artists and retail make their primary profits and the curve falls to negligible losses when downloaded.

    People will always go to see a new release at the cinema, buy a new release album, latest software etc but many cannot, most who download do so because they cannot afford to buy or pay cinema prices etc because they are among the masses who are not affluent.

    Or do film creators, music artists etc think that what they throw out there is only for the rich and affluent, the rest of us have to simply see adversity for such and never be able to see or hear the material.

    No, i don’t think they do, it is the corporates who are as you say still making huge profits, their losses are already minimal, i agree and have always said similar.

    So is why i suggest governments, as i suggested to Lord Mandelson, explore the third way philosophy, and see if talks with pirate parties and scene representatives, torrent site owners can agree with only allowing material to be uploaded after admin on torrent sites, mod’s etc, cross check release dates to pertinent databases and allow torrent uploads of material 3-6 months from DVD’ release or box office rounds finish whatever.

    If we want free, we wait, those deviating from agreed parameters are then fined, shut down whatever while those abiding by the spirit of co-operation compliance allowed to thrive.

    instead of a wholesale punitive action against the peer to peer communities which will have very damaging consequences.

    i rather think tolerance to uploads after profits are made and losses then negligible after a set period is preferable to damaging the online market places etc, because the majority who download do so because they cannot afford and use the online market places to make whatever meagre disposable income, benefits whatever go further, not frivolous spending but thrift, same people use those online stores etc to save money because they are poor, cut them off and the digital economy will suffer, cutting people off will be the only means at their disposal which will stop file sharing because of encryption/IP obfuscation/proxies etc, darknet.

    A punitive approach is not necessary, it only appeases the already rich who don’t care how much damage they do online or to the poorest in society.

    As somebody else has mentioned on another thread, what about people living in the middle of nowhere, in undeveloped countries, ex-pat’s downloading material in their own language, TV material from country of origin, etc, etc, etc.

    DRM’s and other technological solutions will not work for toffee so cutting people off wholesale will be the only way to stop it and that will damage the public /domestic Internet immensely, the world has changed so governments and corporates must understand tolerance is the only way, else it is victimisation of those who are worse off economically to start with, isn’t the majority in society suffering enough!

  • DeltaPan

    Or do film creators, music artists etc think that what they throw out there is only for the rich and affluent, the rest of us have to simply see **advertisments** for such and never be able to see or hear the material.

    Sorry.

  • Alex

    For once, I don’t care that this guy is pro-copyright etc. He has balls, to actually turn himself in to try and change the law – for the better too.

  • Anonymous

    You sound like you have a very ‘reasoned mind’ DeltaPan, unlike the one who calls himself that. I like your plan and would agree to it wholeheartedly as that is pretty much how I DL stuff. I rarely get it when its fresh, usually several months after its out. Artists should get paid, but not for 50, 75, 150 years. Why don’t I get paid for my work that I did 30 years ago? Was it not useful to someone? Did I not use create solutions to solve problems? The system is screwed up and the greedy media cartel is making money off of the little people while pushing them into the mud!

  • Trelew

    Typical PR stunt by Big Business. Give him a bi but not changing anything so that they can get away with the sh!t on someone else. Also like typical bullies when they are called on the what they are doing they retreat. While I applaud Mr. Anderson doing his due diligence, we all need to be doing something like this all around the world and not back down to the corporate bullies and shame the government doing the right thing, which is looking out for the best interests of people of their country rather than the welfare of corporations that do business there.

  • James Catanzaro

    DRM is designed to allow the media creator (the studio) to protect their work against copying. The don’t wish you to copy their product because they believe you will STEAL IT. Rather than allow a legal customer (someone who owns the disc) to make a copy for backup/scratch protection, they stop you. This is the same as with VHS tapes. Everyone remembers what a pain it was to make a copy of VHS tapes, right?
    So why is DRM not needed? Will someone take a pro-industry stance & tell me how the studios could resolve their difference with customers? I believe my fair and logical question deserves a response.

  • GrX

    @47.

    1. when you buy the media if it gets scratched damaged and becomes un-playable you can return it to the shops or a special place where they will give you a free or 90% replacement.

    2. if its a game which the Activation servers get removed they then refund your money, if the game disc gets damaged they offer you the same game in a digital format (EADownloader) Steam.

    Don’t say it cannot be done it can i bought BF2 the ulitimate collection the disc because it had to always be in the drive got damaged i wrote to EA.

    10 emails back and forth they told me i’d have to re buy it…

    hang on i pay for the licence to use the product not the actual product since i down own it, and without the disc working i cannot stick to the licence.

    they told me nothing they could do i told them yes there is you can transfer my game(s) free of charge to EADM since i already paid for the licence

    4 emails later they broke and agreed to put all my games on EADM.

    Now it took 4-5 days of arguing with them back and forth to get back to playing my game i purchased and paid for a licence to use.

    The Disc is just a distrobution system to get that game you’ve paid a licence to use to you nothing more.

    DRM stops me making a backup copy SafeDisc, SecuROM stops me running a backup so when my original gets damaged due to their MANDATORY game must be in drive when playing bs its going to get damaged pretty quickly.

  • JTK

    @1 @2 no they wouldn’t, else they’d go after Apple for letting people rip CDs to their computers using iTunes. There’s no way they’d take someone to court for copying their own media to their own computer for their own use, despite what the copyright law says.

  • Borderliner

    …which is the whole problem: eighter enforce the existing law or change it so there would be no need to enforce it. Why forbid something if those for whom it’s forbidden openly say that it’s not needed? The only thing we get from this exactly the same confusion we have now.

    I personally believe such a law is kept in place as a backdoor which allows (additional) accusations against suspects. Because it doesn’t matter that your computer was confiscated, let’s say, as a part of a drugraid, what matters is that there are DRM-broken materials on the PC. And even if no evidence is found about you being a druglord they still have your machine that is full of illegal stuff so they can smack you with that. Not as hard as they would have for drugtrafficing, but still.

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  • Ninja

    Why push DRM shit on the consumers then? I mean, it just annoys the hell out of us and the ones that want to distribute it to 3rd parties will do it anyway….

    Fail.

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  • xyz

    The copyright holders don’t want to allow personal copying, but they know that disallowing personal backups is unpalatable for some so they disguise the ban with this “anti-circumvention” nonsense.

    The same thing is true in the US. In theory libraries and other educational institutions have the legal right to make copies of digital works for archival and other purposes, but they don’t have the right to circumvent the copy protection so they can actually copy the works.

    An interesting challenge would be to start a service that converts media sent to them to any format the customer wants. You send them a DVD, they send you a XviD.

    Or console modding, so people can play copied games. I bet you’re not allowed to sell mod chips, but you are apparently allowed to backup your games.

  • N0b0dy

    and people are surprised?

    seriously, modern copyright laws being put into place are not rigid.

    modern copyright policy is designed for one-way flexibility. It empowers the rights holders to “decide” what is considered covered under the legislation, within the baseline boundaries in which it was created. There is absolutly no consistancy, and the consumers have to do whatever the other party decides, with no basic rights to the same flexibility as the other party. It is simply put, an unfair advantage.

  • David

    Try http://www.torrenttree.com. Don’t let the government slow down your torrent use just by shutting down Mininova. Just search multiple sites from one location.

  • Anonymous

    What if I buy a DVD, and thus the right to watch its content.

    Now suppose I invite you to my house, and we watch that DVD together.

    Have I not effectively “distributed” the content to you, since your memory will now be one that has seen the movie, the songs might run through your head, and things you see or hear in life can now recall to you scenes and bits of dialogue from the movie?

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