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“Online Thug” DMCAs Critic’s Site Off The Internet Over 16-Word Quote

Just how easy is it to silence your critics on the Internet by using the DMCA? Apparently, very easy indeed. Yesterday, a writer who reports on religion and current affairs had his entire website taken offline after he allegedly breached the copyright of the operator of a Facebook page. His crime? Reproducing a 16-word Facebook posting made by his copyright adversary that accused an anti-racist, anti-fascist organization of being worse than pedophiles.

It is not uncommon for individuals and groups opposed to tougher copyright laws to voice concerns that their implementation has implications for freedom of speech. Equally, it is not uncommon for pro-copyright groups to claim that tougher laws are not targeted at taking away people’s voices, but to stop online infringement.

But unfortunately there is no shortage of people happy to abuse their abilities under legislation such as the DMCA in order to silence others. Last night appeared a prime example of just how easy that can be.

UK-based Richard Bartholomew maintains Barthsnotes.com, a site described by the Center for Strategic and International Studies as “one of the most informative sites we’ve seen for talking about religion and international affairs.”

As part of his work Bartholomew publishes critical articles on religious extremists and opposing hate groups, reporting that by its nature is unpopular with its targets. One of the people Bartholomew has written about is self-described activist Charlie Flowers, who runs a Facebook page called Cheerleaders Against Everything.

“Charlie Flowers presents himself as being an activist against Islamic extremism. He runs a Facebook group which purports to support moderate Muslim groups, where he often makes crudely abusive comments about people he dislikes,” Bartholomew told TorrentFreak.

Currently, Flowers is sounding off against Searchlight Magazine, an anti-racist and anti-fascist publication that has been running for almost 50 years. The exact problems he has with Searchlight aren’t really our focus here on TorrentFreak, but they are for Richard Bartholomew, who covered the issues in a recent blog post.

Unfortunately we can’t link you to the blog post because Richard has been forced to take it down. In fact, as of last evening Richard’s entire site had been taken offline by his host, Dreamhost in the United States, all thanks to a ridiculous copyright takedown claim from Charlie Flowers.

As part of his Facebook rantings, Flowers called Searchlight “scum”, adding: “SWP/Searchlight are dog-vomit. Lower than paedophiles. In fact they should be treated as such.”

Flowers1

Flowers then warned that all “non-members” of his Facebook page were forbidden from taking screenshots or reproducing members’ posts without permission.

Flowers2

Needless to say, Richard ignored the threats and reported on what had been said. The next thing he knew his website had been taken completely offline after Flowers wrote to Dreamhost and complained that Richard had infringed his copyright on the 16-word quote detailed above.

“We have received a formal DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) notice regarding allegedly infringing content hosted on your site,” Dreamhost told Richard.

“The party making the complaint (Charles Flowers, [redacted], London, [redacted], England – [redacted] claims under penalty of perjury to be or represent the copyright owner of this content. Pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 512(c), we have removed access to the content in question.”

Dreamhost made Richard promise to remove the content before the site could be reinstated, and gave him the opportunity to issue a counter-claim. However, that claim must include a home address, but judging from Flowers’ character (he admits publishing a book in which he deliberately and wrongly portrayed his detractors “as dirty pedophile child molesters”) who would want to furnish him with that?

As a result the page remains down and inaccessible (unless you go to Google’s cache copy).

“The notion that someone should be able forbid any quotation of their words is manifestly absurd, and if applied generally would make any kind of journalism impossible,” Richard concludes.

But of course, and as Mr Flowers will quickly learn, using the DMCA to stifle free speech and journalism is not an effective long-term strategy and will serve not only to generate more interest in the material he’s trying to censor, but interest in advocates of free discussion such as Richard Bartholomew.

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    This taking-down of a whole site for quoting AND attributing a mere 16 words is a travesty of justice, fairness and common sense.

    Death to the DMCA – simple as that!!

    • thedude321

      To best honest. I still don’t get it. So this guy, wrote something, that slightly represented something else somewhere else on the web. And, the ENTIRE website was taken down? These stories are getting so ridiculous, that I truly wonder if these idiots have any sense in them.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        The thing is, the way the DMCA (and it’s international variants) are written, abuse of the system is very very easy indeed.

        In theory you can take any quote made by anyone else and use it as a blunt weapon to simply shut that person up. This we Pirates warned about when the first round of DMCA started passing through the international forums. We weren’t believed. “No one” was going to use this as a tool just to censor other’s right to communicate.

        And of course, true to form, we were exactly right. The tools ARE used this way.

        Honestly, it’s been well established ever since Hammurabi first wrote established his “eye-for-an-eye” principle that ANY law written will always be utilized in the worst possible manner. It’s not a question of if, but when.

        Now Pandora’s box is not only open. Flowers just reached into it and gave every troll on the net a copy of the shiny contents.

        • FrostyC

          So glad Joe Lieberman never got that “internet kill switch” bill passed. He too gave the argument “Oh we won’t do it to stop free speech on the net, TRUST US.”

      • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

        The other thing, is that Charles Flowers’s Facebook page can’t claim copyright due to Facebook having sole copyright over anything published on their (Facebooks) platform. I could be wrong about this, but pretty sure I’m correct.

        I recently (5 months ago) moved my WP blog to Dreamhost as I wanted a decent host for my site. This type of crap being pulled and subsequently adhered to by Dreamhost doesn’t fill me with confidence.

        • xnadax

          The old “Facebook owns everything you publish” rumor is just that, a rumor. It clearly says in the terms you agree to when signing up that “You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook”. You do give them the right to use your stuff (how else would they be able to show the posts/pictures to your friends), but that right ends whenever you delete what you have published. It’s the same terms as basically any other website where you can publish stuff.

        • thatoneguy

          Although Facebook doesn’t own the copyright of its users’ content, I’d be interested in seeing Flowers explain how he has authority over others’ posts by virtue of group membership. His post is quite the generalization, asserting that he speaks for all the members and not just him.

        • Masau Fuku

          It doesn’t matter if his claim is valid unfortunately. Dreamhost is required by the DMCA law to take down content that receives a DMCA notice quickly in order to be covered under safe harbor. And unless a counter-claim is made, they can’t reinstate that content, regardless of how ridiculous the claim is. Failing to follow this ridiculous procedure would lose them safe harbor and leave them open to copyright infringement lawsuits.

          I’ve seen this same tactic used against the atheist community (and others) on youtube time and time again over the course of the last 6-7 years. The use seems to have died down a lot recently fortunately, but for a while every other week I was hearing about another video that had been taken down by a false DMCA claim – often with clearly fake information provided by the person making the claim. A large portion of these video’s didn’t get reinstated for one of two reasons – either the target didn’t realize he/she could make a claim or, more often, the target refused to give up his/her personal information to the person who made the claim, which as mentioned in the article, is required.

        • Wormlore

          That’s not right. Facebook does not automatically claim ownership of whatever you post on this site. However, it grants itself a very generous licence over all of your content. So you are the owner and Facebook is a nearly unrestricted licencee.

          From FB terms of use: “you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License).”

          (note the “non-exclusive”… FB generously allows you to use your own content somewhere else.)

      • Stevens

        Dreamhost is incredibly shitty at hosting. It’s amazing how idiotic their reaction to this has been

        • Vlad

          More like Nightmarehost

    • JordanKratz

      I am in agreement and hate the DMCA.

      • Guest

        Watch out torrent freak, he may try to take down this site as well for those images lol.

        “Flowers then warned that all “non-members” of his Facebook page were forbidden from taking screenshots or reproducing members’ posts without permission.”

        • DoNotReply

          ‘Fair use’ for journalism and/or criticism should ensure the DMCA is ineffective here (I’m not a lawyer, this comment is not legal advice).

    • Corben Dallas

      Yes, and death to Charlie Flowers for being a bunghole and death to Dreamhost for being a bunch of pussies.

  • Smith

    Time to issue fake DMCA notices on Flowers’ bullshit page. See how quick Facebook shuts his shit down. Useless c**t

    • Anon111

      I sense an anonymous movement DMCA’ing everything under the sun so that news is generated that brings this into mainstream media and back on to the table for debate.

      Even more mass abuse of the system is the only way to kill this.

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    • Anon

      FLAG FOR HATE SPEECH, RACISM and… Why the fuck not…kiddie porn.

      These people are full of hate, links to EDL etc…

    • http://drwho.virtadpt.net/ The Doctor

      Looking at that page’s timeline, it looks like a lot of posts were either taken down entirely, or taken private. I’d join it to have a look to see which it was, only then it’d show up on my own timeline. Report the group anyway, but be sure you’re not setting yourself up first.

  • ndmushroom

    http://barthsnotes.com/2011/03/22/more-smears-threats-and-abuse/
    More beef than the entire annual meat production of the US, it seems…

  • mrgogarty

    16 words? Bit finicky intit, the law?

    • Masau Fuku

      The claim was a false one. But it doesn’t matter, Dreamhost is required by DMCA law to pull the content until a counter-claim is made – which isn’t going to happen since doing so requires giving personal information (real name, address, and phone number) to the troll who made the claim.

      The two biggest problems imo with DMCA law are burden of proof and the requirement to send your personal information to the person making a false claim. Unless the person making the claim chooses to go to court, it shouldn’t even be needed, let alone given to the person who made the claim.

  • Nights

    Google “Charlie Flowers” then click on images for a disturbing picture….

    • Jack Savage

      We don’t really want to raise his search stats do we?

    • Lib

      Yikes, what has been seen, cannot be unseen

    • PenzancePeer

      Yep, another Balding guy who shaves his bonce to hide the fact, and maybe, look Wellard :D:D:D

  • con.io

    ooh look there, now news sites like torrent freak can post the comments under issue as it can be attributed as fair use … someone failed

    • Techanon

      Journalism licences are awesome, aren’t they?

  • ScrewEwe2

    “Reproducing a 16-word Facebook posting made by his copyright adversary that accused an anti-racist, anti-fascist organization of being worse than pedophiles.”

    Oh oh, dat word’s gonna set off chiron crow-nose….“we hope to fix this as soon as possible.” ? o¿O

  • DMCA my Ass

    This highlights just one way DMCA can be abused it can be used to damage competitors in online business censer websites and adverts etc of political opponents take down websites etc of religious or alternative faiths you don’t agree with I could go on but to cover all the ways DMCA can be abused would give me repetitive strain injury but suffice to say if they don’t abolish or effectively regulate DMCA we are going to end up with an internet like Iran, China and N. Korea if this was to happen I would cancel my Internet contract as it would be useless to me.

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  • YinxDoo

    Pretty scary stuff man. Think about it.
    Total-Privacy.tk

  • Anonymous

    the only way to stop this sort of behaviour is to make the person who issues false DMCA take downs to pay the receiver of them, not just for the site take down but for all costs incurred plus compensation. that would hopefully ease the numbers considerably, particularly from the entertainment industries. let’s face it, they are not exactly careful with what they want stiffled, are they?

    • retaliate

      …or find a hosting company that has a spine, tells people that the claim is under investigation and that they will give their client a couple of days to respond and refute the claims.

  • Cavelord

    (2)Fair dealing with a work (other than a photograph) for the purpose of reporting current events does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that (subject to subsection (3)) it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement.

    As per his link on his facebook page about copyright in the UK. :/

  • dave

    Someone should issue DMCA take down requests against Romney and Obamas websites and see how long it takes for some sort of check needed to come in. Especially with election so close.

  • The_Strawbear

    Before I read the article, is that a headline or an essay? Either way it makes little sense.

  • meowmix

    i think if this dmca thing was taken to the absolute extreme, we, the english, espedialy the shakespere estate, could demand that all us web sites are take down due to mass infigingement of copyright of the english language, albeit in a bastadized form.

    to make up for it, i’m sure they’re welcome to esperanto, the wankers who invented it would be way pleased someone took it up.

    • meowmix

      thinking about it, maybe i’ll send a dmca to the maffia and see what they say.

  • The_Strawbear

    Hm this is a very worrying thing, when a journalist can’t reproduce a line of text as a quote.

    I doubt this would stand up in court and I hope that’s where it ends up.

    Will Torrent Freak now be subject to a DMCA take down request from this moronic idiot?

    I wonder how many sites we can reproduce those 16 words on. Anyone have the time to teach this idiot a lesson?

    (At least the headline makes sense now I’ve read the article.)

  • John Space

    Thank you for arousing my interest in that anti-fascist organization, Flowers!

  • kryzp

    fair use?

  • wesvvv

    We need anti SLAPP legislation for DCMA. Badly need it.

  • KiRE

    Maybe I’m wrong, but i was under the impression that anything on Facebook belonged to them, including pics and comments.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      You aren’t wrong. However, if you are a hosting company and get sent a DMCA notice you have the choice of fulfilling the takedown at once…or spend a few hundred precious man-hours on considering the tens of thousands of takedown notices you receive each day carefully in order to determine whether they are “valid” or not.

      Even if all you do is read the summary of the sent-in documentation, that’ll quickly turn into a full-time occupation for quite a few employees who should have better things to do with their time.

      Hence the norm emerges – that any takedown request in effect becomes an instant takedown.

    • xnadax

      That’s just an old myth. It clearly says in the terms you agree to when signing up that “You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook”.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Yes and no. Under the ToS Facebook allows you to retain actual ownership. However, anything you post on FB will result in FB getting an unlimited (non-transferable) license to do with that material whatever they wish.

  • TimetoGrowaBackbone

    Welcome to the Great World Firewall please enjoy your stay your are free to do whatever you wish as long as you don’t violate any laws, examples you can not …………. (long list of censored things)

    ^ This is the future that’s going to happen if people let these DMCA’s, ACTA’s, SOPA’s, PIPA’s, TPP’s and other laws like this get approved

    Now off to send a DMCA to Torrentfreak for even daring to letting me post my comment /s

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  • nostrafarious

    God, I hate the human fucking race. What a pathetic evil pestilence destroying the world and destroying themselves.

  • Buster

    Wait. How can he assert his rights under a .gov.uk law and then file a US DMCA?? WTF is that?

    • fin

      Because both apply confusingly.

      His rights under UK Copyright Act re valid and if anyone abuses them he can take them to court in the UK. If they are foreign nationals it would be a waste of time 9 times out of 10 but he could.

      Equally the DMCA doesn’t require the requester to be american as long as the offense has a US connection (i.e. the domain name or webserver is based there). Its the same principle as if i was in the US and was attacked I am equally able to press charges even though i’m British.

      Messy i know

  • Toro

    the old west was so good.. all problems resolved by a bullet

  • heyey

    Whoops, I think TorrentFreak can expect a bouquet of Flowers with a DMCA notice attached tomorrow ;)

  • Charlie Flowers

    I hereby DMCA the entire internet! You are all gonna die! Muhahaahaha

  • Few tips

    Few tips.
    1. Dont use .com, .net, .org, .biz, .info, .cc, .me and other ICANN/USA controlled domains. Find totally non-mainstream ccTLDs (use countries which are not friendly towards USA and have nice WHOIS masking – one such ccTLD for example is .SR)

    2. Dont register you choosed domain with registrar which is based in USA/EU.

    3. Dont host your website in EU/USA. Move it to middle east, africa or somewhere else totally out-of-beaten path – where they will laugh if you get any DMCAs and ignore them.

    4. Dont use .com, .net, .org and other ICANN/USA controlled domains as your sites DNS servers (get .ru, .is, .co or other ccTLD not affiled with USA).

    5. Use reverse proxy for your webserver, it will add another layer of security.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    what bugs me the most about this guy. the group info says “We stand for freedom of expression.”

    I see a conflict of interest here…

  • Me

    How cool!
    Following this logic, it means that I can create a website containing all words of the English dictionary in a single page, put under it a notice claiming it is protected by DMCA and that NO ONE can copy it.
    I would then be able to send DMCA takedowns TO ANY SITE I WANT!!! If a site mentions any English word, its mine to be taken down!
    I would have all the power of the Internet in my hands hahahaha – the power to take ANY site down…

    • nostrafarious

      This is essentially what these assholes are doing AND getting away with it. This copyWRONG bullshit is completely out of control.

    • DoNotReply

      hope you have a good 20 years minimum to type out all those definitions without infringing the copyright of other dictionaries (dictionary.com for example) =/

  • http://twitter.com/ZexMaxwell Luke Solis

    http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5711/52684840.png

    So this person thinks its “ok” to censor hate speech. we can technically do the same for him then.

    • http://twitter.com/ZexMaxwell Luke Solis

      is anyone able to see that page still. I think the douche blocked me from it.

    • Guest

      Pardon my language, he sounds like a b*tch.

  • Andrew Lee

    Heh real cute this fucker is “Anti-Everything” and yet the simple thing that lets him voice all that is the same reason everything else can exist. Then he has the balls to fight the one thing that lets him bitch about shit in the first place.

    Well at least till his shit starts being raped by DMCA it’s not like it’s illegal to send worthless DMCA notices even though it actually is but nobody cares making it perfectly legal.

  • EricPost

    The DMCA is being abused but Congress is totally controlled by corporations, nothing will change. Ironically companies like Disney and other Hollywood Studios would never have been able to get off the ground if present day copyright had existed in the 30s and 40s

  • Goosmoo

    I’ve sometimes wondered if I could file fake DMCA takedown notices against the RIAA, MPAA, and all the other whiners to get their web sites taken down for a bit, or at least removed from Google’s search. It wouldn’t last long, but it would be worth several minutes of snickering.

  • amatos

    it’s back

  • etherkye

    Glad I left Dreamhost, although I left for the reason that they never sent me e-mails to tell me when a bill was due and just turned all my websites off and cost me aofortune…

  • manen

    i do wonder where Barthsnotes.com will be safe in todays climate?

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  • pcGnome

    Google used to offer a “cache” copy of the page that matches the search, but that’s long gone.

    You link to a Google cache page – how’d you do that?

    pcG

  • http://tipsneeded.com/ Bimal Roy

    “Flowers then warned that all “non-members” of his Facebook page were forbidden from taking screenshots or reproducing members’ posts without permission.” And you did exactly both of them. Like the irony. That dipshit might file a DMCA against you guys too!

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  • Sam

    I’m guessing that Mr Flowers hasn’t heard of the Streisand Effect.

  • robthom

    “Who would have thought that having a webhost in the USA rather than the UK would actually come with a free speech disadvantage?”

    Did he believe all that land of the free bullshit?!

    Seems like a cool dude though,
    he seems fair.

    Not just reactionary and accusatory like the neo-cons and neo-libs.

    BTW: as far as that facebook dude abusing the complaint process,
    I dont know why the pirates haven’t been doing that already to harass big media?!

    Someone should write a bunch of scripts to file hundreds of takedown complaints, true or false, every hour against their interests.

    Thats what they do right?!

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  • Nobody

    Center for Strategic and International Studies <— if they say it, they mean it :) CSIS has some incredibly informative sites themselves.

    • Guest

      Curious where this quote’s source is from though.

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  • Dan

    Dreamhost is still around? Wtf! Just get another host, brah!

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