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‘Pay Up Or Else’ BitTorrent Scheme Resurrected in UK High Court

After the infamous ACS:Law made a monumental mess of attempting to extract cash from alleged file-sharers, it was expected that similar schemes would die along with the now-defunct company. But despite that disastrous attempt at so-called Speculative Invoicing, another company is now trying its hand. According to the Open Rights Group, how the High Court deals with the movie company involved could have implications for the Digital Economy Act.

In the early months of 2010, Golden Eye (International) Ltd, a company connected with the Ben Dover porn brand, decided to chance their hand at obtaining settlements from alleged file-sharers in the UK.

Although they successfully obtained the identities of alleged file-sharers through the court using the Tilly Bailey & Irvine (TBI) law firm, things quickly went wrong for GoldenEye. TBI pulled out due to bad publicity and the company was eventually fined late 2011 by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority for their mishandling of the cases.

In September 2011, Golden Eye were back again, trying to extract money from Internet users via the previously untested route of the small claims court. But in December 2011 it all fell apart following proper scrutiny in the High Court.

And now, in March 2012, unbelievably Golden Eye are back again with a third attempt.

Their new case against ISP Telefonica UK was up in the High Court this morning before Mr Justice Arnold, the judge responsible for ordering the ISP level block against Newzbin2 and the ongoing proceedings aimed towards a block of The Pirate Bay.

Golden Eye were seeking a Norwich Pharmacal Order, a document which if granted would allow them to identify their target of 9,000 alleged file-sharers and write to them with a demand for £700 each. If totally successful the scheme could net the company a cool £6.3 million in settlements.

From the court Computeractive’s Dinah Greek reported that Mr Justice Arnold was unhappy with the wording of the draft letters created by Golden Eye which claim they could ask ISPs to cut off or throttle the connections of alleged file-sharers, something the porn company has no authority to do.

Furthermore, Greek later posted another key point on Twitter – all Golden Eye have by way of evidence is a simple IP address, a particularly poor item of proof that has proven both unreliable and insufficient in the past.

Justice Arnold eventually deferred his decision to grant or deny the order pending the presentation of further evidence. He is expected to rule in approximately two weeks.

Although it will have serious implications for potential recipients of Golden Eye threats, the Open Rights Group believes that Justice Arnold’s decision also has the potential to have a big impact on how the Digital Economy Act works.

“At issue is the strength of the evidence required against alleged copyright infringers facing possible civil action. It should help focus attention on the need for [communications regulator] Ofcom to demand that water-tight standards of evidence are required for rights holders chasing alleged infringers through the Digital Economy Act,” says ORG’s Peter Bradwell.

“Ofcom are required to define the standards of evidence required against alleged infringers through the Initial Obligations Code (pdf). The revised version of this is due out soon. Without stringent standards, there is a risk that people are wrongly placed on infringement lists and are subject to the civil action in the initial phases of the Act.”

But even if Golden Eye are successful in obtained a Norwich Pharmacal Order, they will not be getting an easy ride and won’t be pulling in the cash they expect. After all, a similar venture cost ACS:Law’s Andrew Crossley his business, reputation, possessions and even his girlfriend.

“Golden Eye (should they get their NPO) will get very little money and a TONNE of grief,” predicted Will Gilmour, an expert in so-called pay-up-or-else schemes. “Speculative invoicing does not equal good business.”

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  • Anonymous

    Will this ever end?

    MAFIAA needs to be ended once and for all… already.

    • Guest

      Judge Arnold is probably corrupted. They probably paid him and he should be investigated.

      However this time the judge butt is on the line so he have to watch is back.

      Usually when something failed twice it failed also the third time.

      Time will tell if Arnold dare to take the risk.

      • Duke

        The fact that Mr Justice Arnold (as judges of his level are called here) didn’t say yes indicates he isn’t corrupt. And while I may disagree with the outcome of a few of his rulings, his rulings tend to be very thorough and well-reasoned.

        Interestingly, the fact that he heard the case at all is a really good sign; applications for NPOs usually go through the “Masters” (sort of like deputies) rather than the full Judges, so the fact this is being taken seriously shows GoldenEye’s application is being examined more closely than they might like.

        Also, I know this is an article about court action and file-sharing, but do we really need to accuse judges of corruption right from the start… not everyone who disagrees with us is in the pay of our enemies?

        • MadAsASnake

          And given the criticism of CM Winegarten on the ACS NPO’s, it’s likely they are being a little careful. Note also, only one ISP – guessing that all the others said that they would oppose the NPO.

        • Duke

          The case is listed as “Golden Eye (International) Ltd & ors v Telefonica UK Ltd & anr” – I’m guessing that “anr” is Consumer Focus, suggesting all the other ISPs have caved and by the sounds of it Telefonica is just letting CF due the work. I do wonder who the “ors” are – I guess we’ll find out in the judgment, assuming GoldenEye don’t cave.

        • Guest

          No, the judge is corrupted trust me on this one. Of course this criminal does not want to make this too obvious.

    • Guest

      Also do they call their judges honorable in UK?

    • Anon

      “Will this ever end?”

      Why would it? Or should it?
      As long as you keep copying their stuff with no payment I hope they hunt you relentlessly and for decades to financial exhaustion.

      • Anonymous

        If that is how you feel why do you browse here?

        • It’s a fit-up

          Because he’s paid to,

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          He’s a paid troll or just a troll, as everyone knows by now.

      • Anyone

        why are you trying to justify robbery?

        • AntiSec

          Please learn your law. Robbery is the use of force or the threat of use of force. Downloading a file on the internet is not a use of or threat of force. To share a file on line is no different than a person in the real world making a “mix tape” or a copy of a video they own for their friends and family to also enjoy. This is spread of culture and leads to more sales. The entertainment industry needs to embrace new technologies and bring the services their customers need and want with a reasonable price.

          Do your trolling after you have done some research please.

        • Fredrika

          I think you misunderstood the text you responded to. Anyone’s answer was directed at Anon, and the robbery Anyone referred to is that which is mentioned in the article, the legalized extortion of Internet subscribers with threats and scare tactics, which semantically could be equalled to robbery.

          Extortion and threats as in a behaviour normally illegal and loathed in society, a behaviour which Anon on the other hand seems to applaud, defend, and justify with the alleged harm that actual infringing filesharing is supposed to cause on weak failed entrepreneurs. A harm that no scientific evidence has been able to prove even exists, after over 50 years of home copying and 15 years of filesharing.

        • Jamesd

          Idiot!

        • Fredrika

          Did you also misunderstand what Anyone meant with his comment? You are the second one that seems to have interpreted in completely wrong, and based on your previous comments, and the latest one, you actually agree with Anyone’s opinion. Please read my reply to AntiSec for clarification of what Anyone meant with his question.

        • Jamesd

          Previous comment retracted. Apologies, had a late night :D

        • Anyone

          sorry, didn’t think I needed to specify that I meant those copyright trolls

          because downloading is not stealing as everyone knows.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          This is about control over the internet, the music industry created P2P as it is today, yeah they advertised P2P (CBS/Disney/Time Warner owned/run websites) until it was time to betray it so they could try and take over the internet.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          This is about control over the internet, the music industry created P2P as it is today, yeah they advertised P2P (CBS/Disney/Time Warner owned/run websites) until it was time to betray it so they could try and take over the internet.

        • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

          This is about control over the internet, the music industry created P2P as it is today, yeah they advertised P2P (CBS/Disney/Time Warner owned/run websites) until it was time to betray it so they could try and take over the internet.

      • MadAsASnake

        Anon, I would be surprised if even 25% of those IP’s is correct. Of those there is maybe a 25% that the account holder is the infringer – thats less than 10%. The other 90% will be false accusations. There is a word for relentlessly nunting people for decades – it’s called harrassment. No doubt 90% collateral damage is acceptable in your book…

      • Fredrika

        > “Why would it? Or should it?”

        Of course it should, since no scientific evidence supports the theses that the persecuted behaviour causes any harm whatsoever, to neither society, culture or creators? This a copyright issue, if you’re familiar with the concept, please read up on the fundamentals before you try to come to any conclusions, ok?

        > “As long as you keep copying their stuff..”

        You seem confused, people do not copy their stuff, people filesharing copy their own stuff, that they own.

        > “..with no payment..”

        More confusion, there’s nothing to pay for, when you manufacture something with your own property, that you own. The price can never be anything else than free. The price is not up for discussion, never has been, never will be. Do you understand? It is naturally free.

        > “I hope they hunt you relentlessly and for decades to financial exhaustion.”

        That’s because you, according to every argument you have put forward the last six months, is a full-blooded fascist in its most true nature, that always put monopolies of North American failed entrepreneurs, and their inability to achieve profit on a free market, as more important than people, human rights, people’s property, civil liberties and what’s good for society, culture and creators. Seven fundamental concepts for this planet that you seemingly don’t care the least about.

      • Anonymous

        What about the wrongfully accused? Do you hope they hunt down the innocent relentlessly for decades to financial exhaustion? Yer fucked. Flawed reasoning.

      • HeyNonAnon

        Still blaming rape victims for the rape I see. You’re one sick individual. How often do you have these sick thoughts and when did they first involve children?

      • Guest

        Why are you not crying over Andrew Crossley? Do you want more shining stars in the anti-piracy circle to end up like him?

        Why are you such a heartless bastard, Anon?

      • jhb

        “I hope they hunt you relentlessly and for decades to financial exhaustion.”

        A typical mind of a psychopath! Ever considered visiting a psychiatrist to have yrself a brain scan? He’ll show you mapped region of your brain – it’s pretty scary…

      • ZR

        As long as their stuff costs a third of my monthly salary here I’ll happily continue to copy it without payment til Kingdom Come. They should either adjust their prices to various markets or quit their whinging. It’s not like any of us here were going to buy their stuff anyway.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001772393375 Lia Piera
  • Gae

    Still it does nothing to address the fact that an IP address is not a person.
    I predict they will fail.

    • MadAsASnake

      The only way this wheeze succeeds in the UK is for people to pay up. There is no reason to. The legal test is that the accused must have performed the infringement or to have authorised someone else to do it. An IP does not get anywhere near satisfying this test, so there is only a case if they have some other evidence. Further, if it goes to court the accusers will need to produce this evidence. It is likely that even this will be greatly flawed as they are unlikely to have made any attempt to confirm an actual upload, and will have done nothing to identify spoofing and so on so there will be a lot of innocents accused. To date, no-one in Europe has been prepared to produce this evidence. I expect this attempt will fail – and this may render the DEA totally ineffective.

      • jolly rodger

        They would get told to go f**** themselves from me , i would not pay 1penny, now i wonder what dark secrets may lie on their web server,

  • Anyone

    there should be laws against those parasites, not against filesharing

    • MadAsASnake

      The way GEIL are going I wouldn’t be surprised if they were barred from claiming under vexatious litigant rules.

  • http://twitter.com/Grifter2099 Sunny

    This same bullshit is all the rage in germany ..and trust me germans are not an organised bunch .. there are a number if these same parasites here who use these scare tactics to extort money from people with minimal proof

    • Anonymous

      The guilty until proven innocent nature of IP laws in Germany certainly helps to explain why the Pirate Party are scoring over 10% of voters there,

    • MadAsASnake

      It works in Germany because of two things:
      - an account holder can be held responsible for anything that happens on the connection
      - there is reverse burden of proof (accused has to prove the negative)
      Because of this, the accusers don’t even have to present evidence – unless you can show that it cannot have happened (impossible) you are liable. It’s pretty much straight out legalised robbery.

      • ZR

        Can’t your ISP tie your IP address to your machine’s unique address or something? I’m not a computer guy but I heard some of my friends talk about it and one of them said something to that effect. Either way, “guilty until proven innocent” is one lousy way to target people, especially with something as unreliable as IP. Hell, my IP changes several times a day because my connection tends to drop dead out of the blue.

        • MadAsASnake

          Not usually. If it’s IP v4 then you’ll probably be running through a NAT (Network Address Translation) router. Theserouters appear externally as a single device, and you generally can’t tell what is going on within NAT. NAT was devised primarily because of the limitations of the IP v4 adress space. When the world switches to IP v6 there will be no need for NAT and so yes, it may be possible to isolate the device. However, most of the other problems with the IP = person persist. Even knowing the computer doesn’t tell you who started the download, pretty sure v6 can be spoofed, ISP’s have difficulty tracking it anyway. Not sure why, but Germany seems to have bought the MAFIAA line on this. While tracking this is indeed really difficult, that can’t justify reversing the burden of proof.

  • the

    pay up or else. i hate this headline

  • Kevin Norman

    You know what I think we should do in retaliation? Every person who’s willing buys a stamp, writes a letter concerning these bullshit letters (You have no need to pay, etc etc) also ask them to tell everyone else And then send it to a random address of your choosing. If enough people did it would become common knowledge

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see that this one will get anywhere. Justice Arnold is correct to doubt pure IP addresses due to known problems and the parasitic nature of those looking to exploit the public. Not to forget that previously the public were stitched up due to ISP inaction and had no voice defending them from exploitation making it fair enough that a Judge should weigh in the public disapproval.

    So this one will only go “no further evidence provided” followed by “NPO denied”

    Yes they should well remember what happened to Andrew Crossley of ACS:Law when it is a very bad idea to annoy the general public…
    http://imgur.com/KBUsJ

    • MadAsASnake

      I wonder if the fact that GEIL have already abused court process by putting these through moneyclaim will weigh against them?

  • Fucking trolls

    Basically the same scam going on in the US. Scumbag trolls using the court system as a cheap way to extort $$ through intimidation, threats and fear. 2 separate trolls have my IP address but they will not get $$ from me. Phone calls and letters threatening a federal lawsuit means zilch to me since I have educated myself to their scam here fightcopyrighttrolls.com and here dietrolldie.com. If I see a troll on the street I will kick him in the balls for fucking with me.

  • Flex

    give them nothing i share because i want to not because someone demands me to theyl get nothing zilch

  • al

    I am not sure how this particular law firm works. I live in the U.S., I was a DOE defendant in one of these cases. In my experiance once the law firm did a background
    check they realized the amount they were asking for was 1/3 of my yearly income. They dropped me from the case. So clearly these cases in the U.S. are about quick cash. They have almost nothing to do with the actual alledged infringement.

    • MadAsASnake

      Goldeneye is not even a law firm, though someone must be representing them in chambers. It’s basically a p0rn outfit thats struggling with sales (too much free on the Internet) and trying to top up the coffers with extortion.

  • Mwhahaha

    I really hope this doesn’t go through, we all know the inadequacies of using an IP addy as evidence, but in the current climate, who’s to say what the final decision will be.

    Will there be pressure on the judge to come down in favour of using an IP as conclusive evidence if it affects the whole structure of the DEB? After all, if just an IP addy isn’t enough to prove someone was sharing, it rather puts a very large stick in the spokes of any ’3-strikes’ system.

    It will be interesting to see if the large ISP’s weigh in on this, after all they’ve shown they don’t want anything to do with pissing their customers off by agreeing with the DEB, will they now turn around and say that their supposedly secure modems are in fact easily accessed?

    It would be wonderful to know how much money out of these fines finds its way back to the artists behind whatever work is being shared. Do you think Golden Eye would be good enough to tell us that? :)

    • MadAsASnake

      It would be perverse for the obligations code to have a lower standard of evidence than required by law. As long as this doesn’t happen, DEA is still on the books but effectively neutered. MAFIAA are deperately trying to AVOID any standard of evidence because its too hard.

    • MadAsASnake

      “Ben Dover” uses his own “peice” in the “work” so he will get what’s coming, either way

    • Anyone

      none of that money goes to the artists, it all stays with the lawyers and the “rights holders”

      • MadAsASnake

        In this case GEIL, Ben Dover and the “artist” (if you can call it that) are all the same thing

  • al

    One other thought isn’t Golden Eye a trademark infrindgment of a James Bond movie?

    • MadAsASnake

      … ant their logo is ripped off from an Alan Parsons record…

      • MadAsASnake

        expanding on that theme, Gallant MacMillan (another shyster lawyer company) ripped off the General Motors logo, and HADOPI created their logo with a font that was owned by French Telecom – and never licenced. It’s quite remarkable how many of the organisations on the accusing side of this blatantly infringe copyright.

        • Anyone

          don’t you know copyright is for common people to respect, not corporations

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anyone
          HADOPI is govt run and they can’t get it right

      • al

        I also noticed that.

  • Fucking trolls

    According to MAFFIA, Hollywood, Porn producers and copyright trolls, if you fart and it smells similar to a copyrighted fart it is in fact infringement. That would make you a fart pirate. Stinks dont it?

  • riv

    What does it say about the UK court system when Pharmacists from Norwich can identify file sharers?! I’d be more worried about a Nuneaton Chemist Order. “Oh no! The Norwich Pharmacists are coming after me!”

  • Jack

    Another UK legal blackmail scam being attempted however we now have the Andrew Crossley’s Solicitor’s Disciplinary Tribunal judgement and a couple of useful quotes.

    “Section 91.12 “Neither MCAT nor the Respondent had evidence that the “Work” had been madeavailable. ” ……. if ACS:law didn’t have evidence, neither do Golden Eye.

    Section 91.5 “It was the Applicant’s case that the Letters of Claim and subsequent correspondence to the alleged infringers were misleading in a number of respects and were calculated to pressurise or intimidate the recipients into paying the settlement sum demanded regardless of whether or not they were liable for the alleged infringement(s). ……….. same for Golden Eye, this is just a money raising scam with no concern about liability.

    Maybe Justice Arnold won’t allow himself to be hoodwinked by these trolls.

  • O’lay Pirate

    I thought it wasn’t illegal to download in the UK? So why are they using a “Pay Up or Else” scheme?

    • Anyone

      to get money
      those letters were never about legality, it was just about trying to scare people into paying, they have no intention of taking anyone to court.

      it’s extortion, plain and simple, and will hopefully be stopped by the courts.

    • MadAsASnake

      Downloading is trivial – they can’t claim for more than a single copy (never worth the cost) Uploading can be prosecuted, but the standards of evidence are still reasonably high. These scheme rely on it NOT going to court – basically they threaten and even file, but drop charges if people defend…

    • Anonymous

      The threat of going to court to defend yourself for downloading Gay/animal/whatever porn, whether you did or not. Pay us or we’ll tell everyone that you’re downloading porn. It’s extortion. People don’t want the hassle/embarrassment so they pay. And just when you thought it was safe to watch porn in your own house, without going to the local adult store to rent that gay flick for a ‘friend’!! ROFL!

      http://torrentfreak.com/you-cant-copyright-porn-bittorrent-defendant-insists-120206/

      On a side note, many years ago, I had someone hack my business phone through the utilities room in our complex. They made 100′s of calls to sex lines racking up an incredible $1600 in one night. No calls connected, but they still billed through to my number. I called the phone company and explained that it wasn’t me (sure, sure was her reply….!!) and that even if I could speed dial, I couldn’t make the amount of calls that were billed to me. Essentially, the woman on the other end told me I had a problem and had to pay regardless. Rather than help me, they made me out to be a criminal. From the phone companies point of view, I was being shamed into paying. I wasn’t shamed, called the police and had an investigation into it. Oddly, the same night, a few other units had the same problem. They eventually caught a teen in the area with a linemans’ handset and he was playing around with it. We were all exonerated and the telephone company got chastised. But the point is, the phone company was going to extort the payment from me or shame me publicly by cutting off my phone services.

      How many people would rather pay to make it go away? Even if they aren’t in the wrong??

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Hit the nail on the head about it being “Pay up or we will expose that you like to view porn of X variety!”

        The courts should look very leery on that, it’s the new age equivalent of old-fashioned blackmail.

  • al

    From the country that brought you WW1, and WW2, comes the p2p lawsuit
    (with a catch guilty till proven innocent).
    I wonder when the wall fell in Berlin. Did East Germany become Free,
    Or did West Germay become Communist you decide

  • bent over

    LOL who the heck would watch UK porn, Bend Over casts the ugliest starlets, I wouldn’t watch that even if it were free and delivered to my door. Waste of bandwidth

  • Homer_J_Simpsoy

    What are you gonna do, hire a collection agency? Which one..Omnipay? Insta-Threat? I’ve beaten them all!

  • Curious_Carla

    Has anybody ever considered that these IP-to-person lookups could be easily exploited to reveal anyone for any reason? I don’t think I’ve ever read anything anywhere mention that even once. So if you happened to be interested in revealing who someone is behind an IP for whatever reason, then all you need do is file, or have someone else file (a friendly company for instance), one of these orders.

    What protects the public from potential exploitation?

    • MadAsASnake

      IP can at best identify the account holder. Mostly it’s not good enough to do that even. It cannot identify an infringer.

      To get an NPO, you’ll have to pay a court fee, and convince the court that you already have sufficient evidence to proceed, but that another organisation knows the identity of the accused. The problem is that accused generally doesn’t know this action is being taken and the other organisation doesn’t usually have much interest – so they don’t always oppose them. Any information obtained through NPO remains in purveiw of the court and may only be used with permission of the court.

      Now, most ISP’s in the UK are opposing these after the abuses of ACS. The ACS NPO’s have long since been revoked, and GEIL is unlikely to get this one – in short, it’s the courts duty.

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  • Anonymous

    GoldenEye.. MGM: Mind suing them for trademark infringement, thank you very much.

    Solution:
    1. DDoS attack
    2. When servers are available again, check for Apache indexes etc etc etc
    3. Download the e-mail archive
    4. Put it up on The Pirate Bay.
    5. Wait until the SRA comes knocking on their door, CEO pleading poverty, expensive cars getting taken away etc etc etc
    6. ???
    7. Profit!

  • mos

    Where are they based? i need poop

    • MadAsASnake

      They list their address as:
      Unit H, Ver House, London Road, Markyate, St Albans, Hertfordshire, AL3 8J
      - it’s a private house

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  • Jamesd

    The only way they will make money is by people being scared and paying. If you get accused, ask them for their “proof of claim” . An I.P address, even associated to a tracker is NOT proof of copyright infringement. Logs of an actual transfer occurring and proof of the copy or partial copy are what I would demand, else a lawsuit would be raised against them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

      IF you reply to their letter demanding money with menaces, remember to refute the allegation. Do NOT offer reasons why the allegation is false. In the extremely unlikely event of finding yourself in court, THEN you explain that you were unable to use your computer at the time alleged because your electricity was cut off at the time…or whatever.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Even logs don’t mean jack, because the logs usually only show that X IP address was used at X time by SOMEONE…. doesn’t mean it was definitely me.

      • MadAsASnake

        and matching the logs has been shown to be error prone in the past

  • AdamSmith

    Adam Smith (1723-1790)
    The Wealth of Nations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations

    Smith repeatedly attacks groups of politically aligned individuals who attempt to use their collective influence to manipulate the government into doing their bidding. At the time, these were referred to as “factions,” but are now more commonly called “special interests,” a term that can comprise international bankers, corporate conglomerations, outright oligopolies, trade unions and other groups. Indeed, Smith had a particular distrust of the tradesman class. He felt that the members of this class, especially acting together within the guilds they want to form, could constitute a power block and manipulate the state into regulating for special interests against the general interest:

    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary.”

  • Anonymous

    They never learn…do they?

    How does a court fine them for taking up valuable time and taxpayers money?

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Courts very rarely do that, to be blunt. Even overseas, they are extremely reticent to do that because it scares people who might have good cases from going to the courts instead of doing some vigilante-type justice.

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  • EM

    Anyone who gets one of those letters shouldr read this PDF: [You assert in your letter that the infringement
    was apparently traced to my internet
    connection. I note that I am not personally
    being accused of the infringement, as you
    have no evidence to this effect. http://torrentfreak.com/static/The-Speculative-Invoicing-Handbook.pdf

  • YoMumzy

    is it just me or is the UK getting more bad press than the US lately?

    • O’lay Pirate

      I’m glad, I’m from the UK and I’m so pissed off with whats going on at the moment. BPI closes my sites down… BPI trying to get TPB censored… Governments trying to pass a law so they can snoop on our internet history and trace everything we do claiming it will provent terrorism.

      Grrr, I’m 17 and already started hating how our democracy works.

  • http://twitter.com/revsorg Matt Williams

    Doesn’t this mean that you’d have to be nuts to continue using Telefonica UK as your internet service provider?

    On three counts:

    - If you’re with an ISP like BT or TalkTalk then Golden Eye won’t be trying to obtain an Norwich Pharmacal order against them.

    - Customers leaving them will force them to fight tooth and nail against this Norwich Pharmacal order.

    - If these are all Telefonica IP addresses then on the assumption that some number are incorrectly identified, if you’re not with Telefonica then there is a zero chance of an incorrectly applied £700 bill arriving on your doormat.

    • MadAsASnake

      It’s not that black and white. What usually happens is that they file against most of the ISP’s (the ones with the best share of IP’s) and then drop the ones that indicate that they’ll oppose the NPO. With ACS, the three biggest offenders were Sky, Talk Talk and BT. Sky never oppose (but charge quite a lot – they seem to see it as a revenue stream). Talk Talk and BT did oppose some late NPO’s, probably because of the hassle and bad publicity, and they did move to invalidate the NPO’s so no-one is allowed to use that data now, even if they have it. Virgin opposed almost right from the start. The usual wheeze is to start with the ones that don’t oppose because it’s pretty much a rubber stamp. I don’t know if TF opposed or not but the “ors” suggest ther may be others – and just because an ISP opposes the NPO, it does not mean GEIL won’t try to get it anyway.

  • Anonymous

    why bother living in UK, they seem keen on raping it’s own citizens and goodness sakes use that money spent on golden toilet papers for the queen to help those in poverty.

  • M J Horn

    I don’t agree with all of AntiSec comments but he/she is certainly right about one thing – “The entertainment industry needs to embrace new technologies and bring the services their customers need and want with a reasonable price”

    And Creators of all types from musicians, designers, authors, film writers, animators and so forth should band together to change the terms of how their talents and work are used by those commercialising at their expense. Do not hand-over ‘rights’.

    If rights remained with the Creator in perpetuity then as AntiSec stated – the entertainment commercialisation industry would need to develop business models that represented fairer terms for Rights Owners (if they remained with the Creators) as well as the consumers.

    Let’s not forget that when CD’s superceded vinyl it was the music industry that made a mint by over-pricing based on nothing more than unnecessary greed.

    Economics and job creation makes the world go around – but corporate greed sticks wedges in the wheels.

    It’s not so different to the entire economic melt-down caused predominently by the financial services sector – the price of which is paid by the majority due to the failures and greed of a minority. Have the commercial business directors learnt nothing from that?

    And if the Creators are in the majority – along with the consumers – can we not get together and develop alternative structures for ourselves that equally include a fair and reduced risk position for corporates and financial investors?

    We can’t expect one without the other ……..

  • Sword of Truth

    These shysters will NOT succeed, and If and I mean IF they are awarded the NPO they will suffer greatly from “Reputation Management”. First Davenport Lyons… BUSTED, then ACS:LAW…BUSTED, then Tilly Baily Irvine…BUSTED, then Gallant Macmillan/Ministry of Sound….BUSTED…

    Chances of Goldeneye/Ben Dover (Littleton Chambers) succeeding….NIL

    • Vicking

      Oh! it is easy to predict the future:

      Goldeneye/Ben Dover…..BUSTED…..

    • MadAsASnake

      Goldeneye make p0rn films. They have no reputation to protect. Their standing in court (they claim) is as the rights holder. There seems to be some question even over that.

  • msi, stupidmf

    Regarding copying as robbery, all you need to do is slam your face on a copier and God can sue you.

  • AVG_GUY

    FOR ALL CANADIANS BETTER READ THIS! We are going to have it worse then Americans.

    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/con

    The Bill C-11 committee has just opened the clause-by-clause review of the copyright bill with 39 amendments on the table: 8 from the goverment, 17 from the NDP, and 14 from the Liberals. The good news is that the misinformation campaign on issues such as fair dealing, user generated content, consumer provisions, statutory damages, and Internet provider liability has largely failed as the government is not proposing significant changes to those provisions. These all represent good compromise positions that will likely remain intact.

    Unfortunately, the digital lock provisions will also remain largely unchanged as the government is not proposing to link circumvention to copyright infringement (both the NDP and Liberals will put forward such amendments). The music and movie lobby are getting one of their demands as the enabler provision will be expanded from targeting sites “primarily designed” to enable infringement to providing a service primarily for the purpose of enabling acts of infringement. The CIMA demand for an even broader rule has been rejected as has calls to add statutory damages to the provision.

    A summary of some of the proposed amendments, by party (note: subject to possible change should a party decide not to introduce the amendment):

    Conservatives

    change enabler provision to providing a service primarily for the purpose of enabling acts of infringement

    a slight tightening of the private purposes copying exception and the time shifting exception by limiting to the specific individual

    a new limitation on computer interoperability exception that restricts the use or disclosure of the information reproduced for the purposes of making the programs interoperable

    a new limitation on disclosure of security flaws that requires advance notice to the copyright owner unless it is in the public interest to have it disclosed without such notice

    a change to the network provider safe harbour that allows for extraction of meta-data

    a limitation on the injunction power against information location tool providers

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