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Payment Provider Hands Over Name of Torrent Site Owner

After being threatened with a lawsuit by the Hollywood-funded anti-piracy outfit BREIN, a Dutch payment provider has handed over the personal details of a torrent site owner. The anti-piracy group is targeting payment providers in order to reveal the identity of site owners, as the information owners give to hosting companies is often false.

breinHundreds of torrent sites, private BitTorrent trackers in particular, allow their users to donate money in exchange for extra features. In part, the site owners use this money to keep their sites afloat, but if it’s up to anti-piracy watchdog BREIN, this type of funding will become their downfall.

Earlier this month BREIN announced that it would query payment providers such as PayPal for the personal information of account holders connected to ‘illegal’ sites. BREIN threatened to take these payment providers to court if they refused to cooperate, and it now appears that they were serious.

BREIN contacted a currently unnamed payment provider for the name and address of a torrent site owner who accepted donations. Initially the company declined to cooperate, but when BREIN scheduled a court case to obtain a preliminary injunction, the payment provider eventually caved in.

In the past BREIN succeeded in obtaining the personal details of torrent site owners from hosting providers, but since these are not always accurate his outfit is always looking for additional options. Going after payment providers seems to be their next logical step.

“The name and address information that illegal sites give to hosting providers are mostly false, but luckily financial service providers are required to verify the identity of their customers,” BREIN director Tim Kuik said in a comment. “This gives us the ability to still find out the identity of managers of sites that earn money from their illegal activities.”

Although there are various concerns about this process from a privacy point of view, it appears that BREIN’s request could fall within the boundaries of the law. Arnoud Engelfriet, lawyer with the Ictrecht law firm, explains that service providers may have little option than to cooperate.

“Dutch case law (in particular the Pessers/Lycos case) has held that in certain cases internet providers and other intermediaries are indeed required to hand over identifying information if a customer is likely committing a tort. A court intervention is not necessary according to our High Court,” he previously told TorrentFreak.

“The legal requirements are that it is without serious doubt that this customer is committing the tort, that releasing the identifying information is relevant for the case *and* that an evaluation of customer privacy versus the interests of the third party reveals ultimately that privacy must give way to those interests.”

In this particular case the payment provider was convinced that the actions of the torrent site were severe enough to give up the private information. One has to question though if the ‘evidence’ presented by a party that has a clear stake in a dispute will be objective.

TorrentFreak asked BREIN director Tim Kuik whether he could provide more information regarding the nature of the torrent site they went after, but Kuik declined to release any additional information at this point.

What BREIN plans to do with the information they received from the payment provider is not clear either. The anti-piracy outfit has obtained this type of information from hosting companies in the past, but we’re not aware of any legal action that was taken against these torrent site owners.

For now, however, BREIN is free to contact payment providers with further requests, which they have already indicated is their intention.

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  • Lol

    BITCOIN

    • Bitcoinwillneverwork

      yea, good luck with that.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Uhm… Isn’t is already working chief?

        • Danny

          How can I exchange bitcoin for food at my local market?
          Oh wait I still need real money to buy stuff in the real world, not make believe pyramid scam shit.

        • Keypel

          @ Danny
          Easy, You take the make believe bitcoin and exchange it for make believe money $$.

          Your understanding of what “real money” is lacking…

        • unknown

          @ Danny
          can you use the currency of one country outside of that country? usually you have to exchange it to local currency to use it. you want to buy things online you need to exchange it to paypal since you can’t directly pay the merchant with real money.

          additional currency defend on it’s type can open additional penetration to certain sector where usual currency might be troublesome to put it in full use thus decreasing market efficiency.

          it’s people choice to use it or not. if bitcoin were to become a currency with enough of service to accept it and stable enough. people might consider using it. after all it does offer something that others don’t. though i can’t be sure about it’s future.

        • Bitcoin is scam

          As Danny said, Bitcoin is nothing but pyramid scam shit. Unlike paypal, I don’t see any option to withdraw money to bank from Bitcoin. Unless I can convert virtual $$ to real cash, its useless to me.

        • Anon

          @Bitcoin is a scam
          Hint : https://mtgox.com/

        • Danny

          If you look at the bitcoin faq. (Which I did when I first heard about it) it wreaks of a pyramid scheme scam. But feel free to push your hard earned into it. Like most pyramid schemes the ones who got in first (the creators) get richer the more people who join. Epic fail on anyone who uses it!

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Danny

          There may be valid reasons as to why Bitcoin won’t fly, but being a “pyramid scam” is not one of them. I advise you to look at the crash of 2009 and face the fact that roughly half of the US GNP is propped up by transactions far flimsier than bitcoin. Sometimes not even worth the paper they are printed on.

          That a cryptocurrency will emerge is a given. Any online solution which shares the anonymity and versatility of bank notes and coins is going to be in popular demand given the massive numbers of people who don’t really care for their fiscal transactions to be stored and used in bulk by governments and ngo’s – no matter how legal those transactions may be.

          What shape it takes after that is irrelevant – but in this economy it would be quite possible to store all your currency in baseball trading cards or barrels of fresh cognac in a basement.

          The only valid point you have is that currently bitcoin’s status is more of a collectible than a de facto currency. It’s perhaps ironic that precisely this fact makes it a more stable investment than most currencies.

        • http://twitter.com/jeffcliff1 jeff cliff

          @Danny I’ve convinced my local food market to accept bitcoin. There’s at least 3 places (that I’ve found to buy food with bitcoin). That’s just so far.

        • Guest

          @Danny: If it’s good enough for Operation Occupy Wall Street, it’s good enough for Torrent site owners.

          In fact, it’s possible to actually pay for a torrent tracker’s Web hosting with Bitcoin, not just accept donations in it. That means you can deny your Web hosting provider ANY way to establish your real identity.

        • Guest

          @Danny: If it’s good enough for Operation Occupy Wall Street, it’s good enough for Torrent site owners.

          In fact, it’s possible to actually pay for a torrent tracker’s Web hosting with Bitcoin, not just accept donations in it. That means you can deny your Web hosting provider ANY way to establish your real identity.

      • GoAwayTroll

        Obvious troll is obvious.

      • Guest

        UKASH

    • Guest

      I was gonna say this right after I read the article. Yup, Bitcoin. Go mine or buy your bitcoin from TH or MTGOX and donate.

  • KuikFail

    Tim Kuik is driving people into using Anonymous payment services like Bitcoin. Watch more and more sites start using Bitcoin and/or other services likewise. This will pretty much bankrupt payment services like paypal and such by the massive drop of users. FAIL!

    • Guest

      Not sure if that’d be a bad thing… Considering they’ve started divulging themselves to the illusion that they’re in charge of protecting the law…

    • Zzzz

      I will never be using BitCON as it’s bound to collapse sooner or later.

      • Anon

        Like the Euro and later the Dollar?

      • Momo

        Bitcoin is still good enough for day-to-day donations and such. Just convert everything to your favourite “real” currency every couple of days to minimise the possible losses should it collapse.

        Or, you can keep using good old Paypal until the day the MAFIAA come knocking.

        And, Lulz if your “real” currency collapses before Bitcoin.

    • Tom_tje3000

      ” bankrupt payment services like paypal”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Piratescum

        lol the amount of delusions people have around here is amusing to say the least.

        • YoureAWanker

          So I suppose that applies to all. In which case, the amount of delusions on the part of the handful of trolls is amusing (and astounding) to say the least.

          Hey would you look at that, my comment is just as (if not more so) witty as yours.

        • Jmorse43508

          That applies to you and the other trolls as well. You’re delusional if you think most people here are buying the same tired old MAFIAA rhetoric those of your ilk keep spewing.

  • guest

    just use a paynent service in Switzerland

    • Danny

      Thats about as safe as paypal these days!

      • Dfsf

        The last TF article about commercial piracy was only a tiny $1000… Switzerland FTW

      • BankersRunEverything

        @Danny “If you look at the bitcoin faq. (Which I did when I first heard about it) it wreaks of a pyramid scheme scam. But feel free to push your hard earned into it. Like most pyramid schemes the ones who got in first (the creators) get richer the more people who join. Epic fail on anyone who uses it!”

        Uhm calling Bitcoin a pyramid scam are we? You have NO IDEA who is controlling your money right now, that’s right, go and check.
        You will be in for a real eye opener!

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Second that…any global currency today is subject to market forces in the same way Bitcoin is. The main reason Bitcoin still fluctuates is simple – the user base is, today, small. Once you hit a critical mass of people those fluctuations will be mitigated to the same sort of fluctuation which is experienced by the Dollar or Euro.

          There’s only one real throttle/boost-function on “real” currency – interest rates set on a national level by governments which impacts the currency value indirectly by motivating consumers to save, loan or spend.

          It’s the same thing however – back when the US first started printing dollars the dollar was a pyramid scheme as well, according to those criteria. Any startup currency would be, when early adopters could see their net worth rising just by the fact that the currency was demanded.

          And here’s a tidbit of trivia – what do you think happens to the US dollar should China sell off all their US bonds in one go? The answer is something similar to what Germany went through in 1920. Which is one reason the US keeps playing very very nice with China these days, almost no matter the provocation.

  • http://nannirk.net/ Marius Krinnan

    “Dutch case law (in particular the Pessers/Lycos case) has held that in certain cases internet providers and other intermediaries are indeed required to hand over identifying information if a customer is likely committing a tort”
    I don’t have a problem with this, as long as it’s handed over to the proper authorities, and not anti-piracy firms funded by Hollywood. Leave police work to the police.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ender-Wiggin/100000885624281 Ender Wiggin

      except that the police keep bringing anti piracy group reps along on the fucking raids, to “explain” what they’re seeing.

      • Anonymous

        And I know from direct experience that these so called “experts” are as thick as two rocks banged together. I have in past years spoken to many suppliers in my own market who have been raided (or more correctly harassed) and all have some tale of incompetence to tell.

        Not to forget in my case they (FACT) seriously did not have a clue and since the Police were relying on their “expert advise” then so did they easily fool and mislead the Police who then fooled and mislead the Judge.

        Lets just say them raiding this technical expert, where I kept myself updated on the legal side, kicked their ass to Hell and back. Only shame was that my solicitor was not more pro-active and played more wait and see what they do.

        Anyway I now call FACT as Fucking Assholes Cunts and Tossers for a very good reason for their abuse of the law. It also made a good point where I stocked as much (UK legal) copyright protection stripping hardware as possible.

  • YarickZan

    I think the issue here is BREIN has to prove that the torrent site operator is breaking Dutch law. This really needs to get in front of a court because if the site isn’t breaking Dutch law then the payment provider has provided these details illegally and BREIN doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on.

    • Danny

      I thought that.

      How can they just claim the torrent site owner is breaking the law and then get the persons details. The person needs to be proven guilty of a crime first.
      But hey its the dutch, they’re usually a bit crazy and/or stoned.

    • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

      That would explain why they haven’t taken the man to court yet.

      BREIN is probably hoping that it doesn’t come down to them going to court or pressing charges – but that’s not to say they won’t pass on the information to some auditing agency, or some other nefarious organization with political ties.

      Or, maybe I’m just being paranoid.

  • Jimbo

    perhaps once the person and site are identified, we will find out what he intends to do. if he can prove there was no profit made, then maybe he’ll go to court. will be interesting to see Brein and Kuik squirming then. anyway, i doubt the payment provider will be very popular from now on.

  • Chimel31

    Yeah it’s pretty bad if Paypal and other payment processors just provide the details of their client on a mere demand of private organizations.
    Like others, I think it should be handled as a normal police investigation.
    If not, the minimal requirement is that the client must be officially proven guilty in a trial before financial details are handed over.

    • ehiowerugh34o8y390

      Like the powers that be give a FUCK what you think…

  • Anonymous

    K, time to make a fake PayPal account… *sign*

  • Randy_Lahey

    Use a payment service outside of Raisin-Brein’s jurisdiction and hope they tell them to shove it. I’ve heard the Seychelles is a rather nice place to vacation. Just saying.

    • Guest

      Except Seychelles now provides facilities for an American drone airbase.

  • Guest

    If these companies are handing over personal information without a court order, can’t they get sued?

    • Kevo

      And there lies the answer. It takes money to sue, until someone does and they will, this crap will continue.

  • BitsOfSkin

    I’m wondering how much more people will take before some real, honest to god action is taken.
    Look at history : change can be gotten quickly if enough people go out and protest.
    I say go out and protest, firebomb a few offices of these big mafia-like cartel groups, let these scumbags know that we will not tolerate individual rights being trampled on by greedy corporate puppets.
    Drag some politicians who are obviously being paid by these groups out of their homes and publicly shame them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Protests work but are quite limited in scope. The message isn’t enough to change the rules, which is the problem.

      Finding alternatives to the current situation helps out a lot more. Like some people have mentioned, there are alternatives to using Paypal or even a traditional bank that can make you lose all of your funds if it’s given automatically to either law enforcement or a copyright agency for enforcement purposes.

      So far, I know of two:

      UKash
      Bitcoin.

      If more appear, I’ll be sure to add them here as I check this but I think a post about other alternatives than just fake names or protests may work far better.

  • Anonymous

    Big Middle Finger Salute to BREIN! F U lol.

    real-privacy.net.tc

  • Nkjsd

    secure bittorrent network? come to i2p! bitorrent trackers , clients and many more fun!

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    I don’t have much to say about this one except:
    This will be the next rumor when TPB goes down again. That it was the Dutch. Wow.

  • Cujo

    my 2 cents

    well bitcoin although a very new idea is sure better than your logs being shared with undesirables ,, if everyone adds that option to their variable concerns ,, we just might make a go of it ,, right? ;)

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  • RIAAtarded

    I don’t know much about dutch law but my country has privacy laws that forbids this without a court order. Failure to obtain this info in a lawful manner opens both offending parties to damage claims against them irrespective of your guilt or innocence. Plus if this goes to a criminal trial there could be an argument that this is not a proper chain of custody and should be thrown out along with the case. Parties with a stake in the outcome shouldn’t be handling evidence especially when there is a potential monetary gain by said outcome. How the hell from a legal perspective this is eluding everyone is beyond me.

    Only upside here is I seriously doubt the info they have is legit. All these payment sites not being banks don’t follow any banking laws so requirement to confirm identity is nil. I say we move all the torrent sites to nigeria. MPAA can send them letters and they can reply with how much extra they will pay you just cash their cheques / money orders and send them the balance.

  • foff

    I notice many sites are eliminating the donate buttons. Good sites can make enough from advertising. Since advertising is not done directly on the internet but through third and fourth parties it is almost impossible to cut that revenue off.

    I don’t run a torrent site but if pay pal starts handing out identification info on mere threats and my security is threatened then I won’t be using them. I know in the real banking world if you have a judgement against someone you can’t just walk into a bank and demand personal banking info on this person it takes a judicial order and you have to know the bank account # you can’t just ask the bank to give it to you. Governments have more power and can get info and do things private companies and individuals can’t do. I think Brein pulled a fast one here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Around 10 big name torrents sites plus what 50 smaller private trackers? And then like another dozen link sites. Hooo boy.

    • Danny

      Jackoff you’re confusing me again.
      Wtf are you on about?

    • Abc

      “Around 10 big name torrents sites plus what 50 smaller private trackers?”

      Exactly what is your question Eric? this looks more like a statement to me, IDK what the statement is about though, is it a statement about how many sites are being targeted in this way by Brein that we don’t know about yet?

      “And then like another dozen link sites”
      and then like another dozen link sites what??? Are they more of Breins victims?

      “Hooo boy”
      erm OK.

      Your last couple of posts have been a bit odd Eric, is the real Eric on holiday and someone in the office filling in for you? If so my suggestion is don’t ask the work experience bod to do your work for you in future Eric.

  • Admin

    Payment provider which did handed over the personal details of a torrent site owner for brein is PAYPAL.

    Simply use anonymous payment providers (google it) or make fake accounts with fake names and prepaid credit cards or gift cards. Or arrange that payment donations
    goes direct for server hosting company bank account to pay the bills.

    • Dfdsf

      I’m in the UK… Idk where to buy such a gift card. Any ideas? (don’t say “order it online” cus that sort of kills the point of getting it in the first place :P )

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Try googling “Ukash” and it’s derivatives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Friday-Deals-Video-Games-on-Sale/255008881203825 video games

    Prepaid Credit Cards often allow you to set up direct deposit by giving you a routing/checking #. That information can be passed to payment processors and/or sites like Paypal (or alternatives).

    As it is if you’re trying to take in money for your torrent site be aware that unless you’re actively getting rid of illegal torrents you’re going to loose eventually. US copyright laws are spreading to other countries via treaties and and whatnot…at the end of the day torrent sites can/will get shut down. Don’t grow attached to any one site and be adaptable…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      I just heard about ACTA bypassing Congress to be ratified. NOT happy with my government screwing me over…

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  • Oomg

    again someone need to make a payment processing that will not go in bed with the copyright lobbyist

  • Anonymous

    Bitcoin is just BS. It’s a fringe phenomenon that a) can’t go anywhere and b) has all the nasty drawbacks of any money-based system.

    The solution we all need is to do away with the money basis for society itself. That’s a nasty, feudalistic system that enshrines the notion of rich and poor, free and serf as well as a huge array of nasty dark sides like starvation, most crimes, pervasive pollution for the profit in it and conspicuous consumption (crappy products made as cheap as possible that break as quickly as possible and get thrown out so people have to buy a new product and feed the monster we call an economy).

    There’s nothing wrong with sharing culture. The only problem with that, in fact, is that nobody gets paid… so let’s do away with the actual problem, the fact that someone needs money and use other ways to account for our shared resources. See http://www.thevenusproject.com and http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com for instance.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “The solution we all need is to do away with the money basis for society itself. That’s a nasty, feudalistic system that enshrines the notion of rich and poor, free and serf as well as a huge array of nasty dark sides like starvation, most crimes, pervasive pollution for the profit in it and conspicuous consumption (crappy products made as cheap as possible that break as quickly as possible and get thrown out so people have to buy a new product and feed the monster we call an economy).”

      This is a theorethically perfect solution, just like theorethical communism. There’s only one minor drawback. In order to “do away” with money you first need either endless resources with a flawless distribution system…or you need “perfect people” willing to follow an ideal without deviation, at great personal expense.

      I.e. you can get rid of the concept of money in the same way you can run functional communism – very well in small scale (kibbutzes and some medieval villages) and very poorly or not at all in larger scale than that.

  • Cavelord

    Just wait till the gov’t hops on board the paypal train, imagine all those ebay’ers getting a tax bill from there state for state taxes owed to them. Hey state, how did you know I bought $5400 worth of stuff off of ebay. Oh….Paypal handed over all your records, and the state went through them, and notice you didn’t pay any sales tax. So there you go…no need even to get a court order, they only have to say, we think these people are tax dodgers, and bingo….they can now afford there budgets!

  • Whatever69

    Article is outdated. The payment provider issued a press release yesterday saying that when BREIN contacted them, the informed the “alleged person” and that person then voluntarily reported himself to BREIN. But to make a point, on earlier cases, BREIN insisted that the payment provider handed over the details again/as well. And so they did but only AFTER the alleged person was already known to BREIN and was on speaking terms.

    The provider in question is Techno Design; a very small company that has no core business in ePayments whatsoever.

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