TorrentFreak

The place where breaking news, BitTorrent and copyright collide

Piracy and Copyright Challenges in 1841 Mirror Those of Today

Technology has come a long way since 1841, but the copyright debate at the time was strikingly similar to what we’re witnessing today. 170 years ago a new copyright bill was being discussed in the United Kingdom, one that would extend the rights of book authors to sixty years after their death. While some favored the plan, some feared that this lengthy “copyright monopoly” would only succeed in increasing piracy,

thomasDuring the first half of the 1800′s a new technology was threatening the livelihoods of book authors.

The printing press.

To deal with the challenges at hand, Sir Thomas Talfourd drafted a new bill under which the copyright term for books would be extended to sixty years after the author’s death.

For years the bill was heavily debated in the House of Commons, and after it failed to pass in 1837, 1838, 1839 and 1840, it was once again brought up for a vote in 1841. That year the House witnessed one of the most intriguing standoffs in copyright history, and one that is still very relevant today.

On the one side there was Sir Thomas Talfourd calling for a lengthy extension, and on the other was Baron Thomas Macaulay arguing that this would be a dramatic mistake. On February 5th 1841 the House of Commons gathered to vote on the bill, but not before Macaulay gave a final speech.

Below we will accentuate a few critical paragraphs from that historic but forgotten speech, most of which are still very relevant today.

“It is painful to me to take a course which may possibly be misunderstood or misrepresented as unfriendly to the interests of literature and literary men. It is painful to me, I will add, to oppose my honourable and learned friend on a question which he has taken up from the purest motives, and which he regards with a parental interest.”

“These feelings have hitherto kept me silent when the law of copyright has been under discussion. But as I am, on full consideration, satisfied that the measure before us will, if adopted, inflict grievous injury on the public, without conferring any compensating advantage on men of letters, I think it my duty to avow that opinion and to defend it.”

Above is how Macaulay started his argument, addressing the House of Commons, and his “honourable friend” Sir Talfourd in particular.

“I believe, Sir, that I may with safety take it for granted that the effect of monopoly generally is to make articles scarce, to make them dear, and to make them bad. And I may with equal safety challenge my honourable friend to find out any distinction between copyright and other privileges of the same kind; any reason why a monopoly of books should produce an effect directly the reverse of that which was produced by the East India Company’s monopoly of tea, or by Lord Essex’s monopoly of sweet wines.”

“Thus, then, stands the case. It is good that authors should be remunerated; and the least exceptionable way of remunerating them is by a monopoly. Yet monopoly is an evil. For the sake of the good we must submit to the evil; but the evil ought not to last a day longer than is necessary for the purpose of securing the good.”

Macaulay argued that copyright is a monopoly by definition, and that while authors should be compensated for their works, a copyright term of sixty years after the author’s death would do more harm than good.

“Now, I will not affirm that the existing law is perfect, that it exactly hits the point at which the monopoly ought to cease; but this I confidently say, that the existing law is very much nearer that point than the law proposed by my honourable and learned friend. For consider this; the evil effects of the monopoly are proportioned to the length of its duration. But the good effects for the sake of which we bear with the evil effects are by no means proportioned to the length of its duration.”

“A monopoly of sixty years produces twice as much evil as a monopoly of thirty years, and thrice as much evil as a monopoly of twenty years. But it is by no means the fact that a posthumous monopoly of sixty years gives to an author thrice as much pleasure and thrice as strong a motive as a posthumous monopoly of twenty years. On the contrary, the difference is so small as to be hardly perceptible.”

Baron Macaulay then went on to argue that the extension would offer very few advantages for the authors themselves. On the other hand, he explained that these restrictions would do harm to the public’s access to classic works.

After giving various examples of the extension’s potentially negative effects, Macaulay closes with the theory that the Act would in fact change the meaning of copyright to the general public.

“I am so sensible, Sir, of the kindness with which the House has listened to me, that I will not detain you longer. I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one-tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind.”

“Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains.”

“No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot.”

It could even make piracy morally acceptable.

“On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrim’s Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich for the advantage of the great-grandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress?”

“Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom makes nice distinctions.”

“The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living.”

Fast forward 170 years and politicians are still debating over the same topics.

The language is different, the players have changed and so has technology, but in essence they deal with the very same issues. To a certain degree Macaulay predicted how the public’s opinion towards piracy would be hindered when more restrictions are put into place. This is something we still witness today.

In 1841, Macaulay’s speech made quite an impression in the House of Commons. The Copyright bill was rejected by 45 votes to 38, and a year later it finally passed as the Copyright Act 1842, without the sixty year extension he argued against.

Baron Macaulay’s critique on the lengthy copyright extension was at the foundation of copyright law in the U.K. and U.S. for decades, until Walt Disney came along.

Related Posts

Previous Post | Next Post

  • Mr. Hand

    So if copyright were limited to say 20 years…10 years….5 years….1 year….do you think it would stop people from pirating the newest movies, games and software? All of this is great historical and relevant food for thought, but there’s nothing in the world that will stop people from wanting to pirate The Avengers the day it comes out.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Yes, nothing will stop them from downloading and then going watch later in the theaters or buy the DVD. It doesn’t matter what happens to copyright. I a world devoid of copyright I’ll still throw my money at the good stuff. And in a world where copyright infringement means death penalty I’ll still refuse to give my money to crappy stuff.

      • Guest

        One problem; no one would go to movie theaters if they could get the movie another way. Movie theaters suck. The only reason most people go is because they are the only ones who have the movie when it comes out. I can say that if movies came out on DVD at the same time as they came out in theaters, then I do not know a single person who would ever set foot in one of those worthless places ever again.

        • Guest

          I disagree. Movies theater bring a whole new experience. That big screen, the feeling of light through film, the fact that you are with other people who choose, like you to go see that movie, and not another one…

          This might not work for mainstream crap, but is still valid for ‘cinema’.

          I’d rather go to the cinema than download a copy on my computer.

          But cinema is expensive – & if you live in the countryside you are fucked….

        • Anonymous

          @Guest: And the noisy guy who throws popcorn at you, the loud noise, the fact that there isn’t a pause button…

        • test

          that’s completely untrue, you can bring friends into a cinema and watch it together, it’s a different experience
          if the movie’s good and the tickets cheap i’d still go, even if there was a free downloadable copy

        • CHRONOSSANGRY

          don’t ya like being frisked , stared at and generally thought of as a criminal while trying to enjoy ones self…BOY can i pay for that now? LOL
          ya they need to die off too….

        • Guest

          @test

          I can bring friends to my home too. The difference is that we can all talk there, and we don’t have to collectively pay $90 to watch a movie together. And we don’t have to sit in bad chairs either. Or pay $15 for the same amount of popcorn that costs a buck at home.

          @Guest

          Very elitist. In truth, I see no value in “cinema” for anything at all, even the indie stuff I like. It would always be better at home. The only difference would be for something like the Rocky Horror Picture Show or The Room, but that’s only because they’re more… interactive.

          There is no value that cinema adds. The ONLY advantage it holds is the big screen, and that is not worth the numerous disadvantages it has (seating, price, having to be quiet, etc…)

          If movies were available on DVD and cinema on the same day, cinema would suffer. Maybe it wouldn’t quite die, but it would certainly be severely harmed. Nothing wrong with that mind you. I’d be perfectly glad to see movie theaters go the way of the Dodo. They just offer absolutely nothing to the modern consumer.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          I know of only one person in my rather wide circle of aquaintances who agrees with you there. Ironically he’s also one of the few who doesn’t download stuff.

          As for the rest it’s rather telling that the times i go to the movies with a group of friends they usually ARE pirates.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          “Movie theaters suck.”

          They just don’t know what market they’re in. Remember, US theaters used to be owned by studios, meaning it was a direct line to putting a movie from studio to a theater it owned.

          Nowadays, the money is made from the first three days. The problem is, most theaters still think that their market is whatever the studios tell them it is. Their mission is seats. Their mission is making money. Finding new ways to profit such as selling DVDs on the day of a movie would help them immensely. That and perhaps a dinner that is more than overprice popcorn.

        • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

          @CHRONOSSANGRY: maybe in the USA… In Hungary after you go through the ticket inspection (which is nothing more that a ticket inspection – maybe a quick “let me see in your bag”, if you are too suspicious) nobody gives a f*ck who you are and what you are doing there. That’s why CineDub had such an easy job camming all those movies.

        • Common Man

          Personally, I’d be happy if movie theatres were to close and libraries were to spring up in their place – for too many reasons to list here.

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          “One problem; no one would go to movie theaters if they could get the movie another way. Movie theaters suck.”

          I agree and disagree. It’s nice to go to the cinema with your friends, gf. But the theaters are not putting enough effort to make the experience good. So yes, maybe ppl wouldn’t go to the theaters without copyright but who is to blame?

    • Rekrul

      So if copyright were limited to say 20 years…10 years….5 years….1 year….do you think it would stop people from pirating the newest movies, games and software? All of this is great historical and relevant food for thought, but there’s nothing in the world that will stop people from wanting to pirate The Avengers the day it comes out.

      Some people will always pirate. There’s no way to stop piracy completely. However, copyright law has gotten way out of hand. It’s now slanted so heavily in favor of the giant corporations that they’ve virtually eliminated the concept of public domain and taken away pretty much all rights the consumer has toward their works.

      Imagine if you bought a new car and were told that there were a ton of restrictions on what you could do with it. You could only drive it on approved roads, you can only have one non-family member in the car at any time, unless you buy a special license, you can’t transport more than 100 pounds of cargo, you can’t drive more than 1,000 miles per month, you can’t drive it between the hours of 2-5 AM or on holidays and you’re forbidden to make any modifications to it, have it serviced at anywhere other than an authorized service center, or use any third-part parts. Oh yes, you’re also not allowed to re-sell it because you don’t actually own the car, you’re only “licensing” it.

      The entertainment industry has far too much influence over the governments of the world, especially the US government. Regardless of whether it would stop piracy or not, copyright law should be reined in for the good of the public.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Hit all the nails on the head there. In fact, at one point, they TRIED to do that “you can only have this serviced at an authorized service center” bunk but the federal and state governments came down on them hard and made that illegal.

        • Danny

          They offer 5 year warranties in the UK with the small print reading along the lines of only if serviced at authorised dealer.

          My Boss recently had a routine service from Audi, bang goes £600 of his money. They seem to replace as many parts as they can, its the second year he’s had new discs all round and £30 for a drop of washer fluid. It only needed an oil change in my opinion!

      • Anonymous

        ^this^
        If you restrict people too far, they will just say ‘fuck it’. People don’t live by laws they find ridiculous, they just don’t. Then when everyone starts breaking those ridiculous laws it will become normal to do so.

    • Anonymous

      It might have. If pirating had never become morally acceptable. But by pushing copyright too far for too long they broke it. Just like predicted by Macaulay.

      And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living.

      Like he predicted, pushing it too hard and too longs shifts piracy from real pirates to the entire public. Just like what has happened today.

      “No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot.”

      People are willing to give you your fair share. Take more and the rules are off. That’s human nature. If you can cheat so can i.

    • Pepe

      Yes mr. Hand, nothing will stop them not only from “wanting” it, but also from doing it, and it’s not “pirating” it’s actually replicating. From the moment they are able to replicate stuff for free, they will. No matter if it’s “intelectual property” or material things /3D printing is coming :)/. And no matter what copy-right-or-left laws are intended to be imposed over the matter.

  • ilikebundy99

    People have no respect for copyright law at all, and neither should they as it stands. Give them a reason to, and many more will. make works available at a reasonable price and globally accessable and reduce the length and instead of the majority of people seeing it as simply a law bought for the profit of large corporations at the expense of the public they may see it as actually doing what it was claimed to do: promoting creativity and supporting artists. not everyone will of course. but a damn sight more than currently do i am certain.

    • A8729628

      Unfortunately some people still do have respect for it.

      • CHRONOSSANGRY

        look around you ….you and that other you are the only ones….and its usually because you got a stake in the insanity and scam called copyright.

        • A8830791

          I don’t support copyright law. Hence ‘unfortunately’.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    Arrrr! Macaulay is a pirate! *listening to Pirates of the Caribbean – He’s a Pirate!*

    At least that’s what MAFIAA would say about this.

  • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

    I have no respect for copyright law because it doesn’t help the creators but rather the ones that own the copyright (and MAFIAA has shown how they rip off the artists). I don’t respect copyright law in a single bit because it tramples with my rights and my freedom of speech and doesn’t allow free use. I’m using first person but I’m sure many will agree with me here.

    It doesn’t promote creativity. It doesn’t support artists. I support artists with direct donations, not copyright. And it takes only some browsing around the net to see that MAFIAA’s only interest is to support itself.

    • ilikebundy99

      I personally have no respect for copyright either, i was just stating that i believe that many people would if they improved the laws reguarding it. I personally believe copyright itself is theft, as it is used to appropriate other peoples rights in thier physical property for the profit of the copyright monopoly holder. I believe that there are many other ways to promote creativity so copyright can’t be justified under that basis either. but in general i think that people are only rebelling so much because it is too intrusive and if they backed off a bit the general public would probably support copyright.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        Oh, I got it wrong then. You, sir, are thinking it right. Heck, I support copyright to protect creators from commercial exploitation of their works. I refuse to buy physical media on the streets because that money is going for some freaking idiot that didn’t do the actual work. Sorry for misunderstanding you pal.

  • http://twitter.com/Detter Detter

    But if people have a choice of getting a good copy of avengers 1year after it comes out, or get a crap copy in an illegal way when i comes out i think more ppl will chose the former.

    • Ges

      Thats why there is comments and multiple files of the same name around. Also the person was nice enought to share what they had, if you don’t like it, you don’t have to download and share it and can label it a crappy copy as many comments say which point users (if i say something is a cam, get dvd copy instead), how did this make you get the cam copy? Your argument is invalid. Yes they can get a good copy a year later, or most of time at the moment w/o waiting a year. Do your fact checking and quit spouting garbage. Me or other anons shouldn’t have to correct your misleading comments and follow up on them because you like to lie or not fact check, are a troll, or are just plain ignorant.

      • Kr0nZ

        What argument?

        He said if ppl have the choice between a good copy, but need to wait, or a crap copy, right now, most will choose the good copy

        No argument here, just a statement as far as I can tell

        • Guest

          His statement is based on the axioms that A. All copies that will come out before the expiration of copyright will be crappy and B. That people will see the good copy as worth paying for and C. that when the good copies are released, people won’t just torrent or download the good copies instead of buying them.

          His statement is based on unreliable assumptions. It doesn’t have validity.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah but will they wait until 70 years after the copyright holder has died to use it in other things like art and remix?

      • Zzzz

        @Ges
        “…..quit spouting garbage.” Oh, the irony.

        Someone with such an appalling grasp of the English language should not be insulting others.

        • Anonymous

          And how many other languages besides English do you speak perfectly?

    • test

      no the two will always have the same quality
      movies and games aren’t the same

  • DK

    typo?

    ” On February 5th 1941 the House of Commons gathered to vote on the bill, but not before Macaulay gave a final speech.”

    Should be 1841?

    • Anonymous

      You win!

      • Zig

        YAY!!! Under the rules of correctly spotted typos that I just invented, Ernesto now has to supply free cheesecake to anyone who asks!

        • Anonymous

          I can has cheesecake?

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Me wants it!

  • Zan

    If the day the avengers comes out it was advailable to stream in hd legally at a reasonable price (eg price of cinema ticket) then less people would pirate it and the “industry” WOULD make more profit! Not everyone is able to get to the cinema ya know.

    • Eesf

      You are absolutely correct. Lets take me for instance. Its going to cost me $22 in gas to drive to cenema, wait in line to get ticket, possibly wait in line to enter theatre showing room, buy ticket, buy drink and popcorn, prob get a refill on popcorn, and then after I’m done drive back home. So lets see, my guess is about 3-4 hours and total cost not counting my time prob somewhere around $ 40 for myself. Now if I wanted to bring a slut around, well then lets add about $20 for her so total cost not counting time is $60. How if I stayed at home and watched video, I don’t have to deal with the above, and could possibly just pay cenema price and get it at the same time saving driving cost, wear and tear on vehicle, not get into fight at cenema because someone likes my ho and is jealous, i don’t have to risk falling asleep on road and dying in a crash, or getting a speeding ticket or going to jail for driving over 15 miles past the speed limit. Also I don’t have to worrry about a drunk driver hitting me while I’m on the road or some other asshole who does drugs and blacking out and wrecking into me. I woudl have to say the benefits of watching at home outway the (non benefits) of seeing the video in the theatre.

      Now this is just for me because many people live close to the theatre and don’t have this problem however it may save me and others from getting the file from a generous uploader instead of me renting the video and whoever i rent it from or whatever making $.

      • Guest

        For sure, releasing the stuff on the internet at a fair price at the same time as it goes out in cinema would really discrease piracy..

      • Anonymous

        I thought pimps had loads of $$ and that ho’s paid them?

  • Sridevi Vangala

    My take is this – the rate at which content is growing no copy right is morally required. The middleman/broker/renter is the one who is really scared. He does the spin, buzz or what have you so as to create a buck for him or for his company, which is really again him!

    • A8729628

      I don’t think you understand how morals work.

      • stuff

        And I don’t think you understand how the law works. There’s no absolute right to copyright. It’s an invented construct. We can freely remove it or reinvent it. It’s not a moral issue – it’s a market choice that’s rapidly being overruled by the march of technology.

        In fact, you might argue there’s a moral imperative to reduce copyright, because the war on piracy is diminishing a lot of important civil liberties just like all prohibitions do.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        Ah yes. The morals on the one side say it’s all right to use copyright as a mass extortion scheme and consider it valid to hang a price tag equal to that of three or four brand new cars for sharing three or four media files.

        You know, morally, that makes the case against the validity of copyright very well for me.

        That, and morally Rosa Parks shouldn’t have gotten on that bus in the first place as it was considered good moral for a black person in the american south to know her place. Morally the suffragettes were in the wrong for demanding voting rights.

        Morally it is right to stone a raped woman in Saudi Arabia for having had sex outside of marriage.

        And the best argument regarding the morality of current copyright comes from the original poster above, courtesy of our dear friend Sir Macaulay. There is no longer any respect for any copyright at all, and rightly so.

        • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Couldn’t have put it better myself SDM.

          In fact I’ll simply add this quote from the article above,
          “… in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living.”

          Copywrong law is an abomination, and a genuine insult to all of society.

        • Zzzz

          @Scary Devil Monastery
          “That, and morally Rosa Parks shouldn’t have gotten on that bus in the first place as it was considered good moral for a black person in the american south to know her place. Morally the suffragettes were in the wrong for demanding voting rights.”

          What utter drivel, moral issues have nothing to do with popular opinion.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          @Zzzz

          mor·al (môrl, mr-)
          adj.
          1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
          2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
          3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
          4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
          5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
          6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
          n.
          1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
          2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
          3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.

          So yes indeed. Public definition always set the “moral standard”.
          Hence Rosa Parks was at the time morally in the wrong, except possibly within an equal-rights community. Similarly Slavery was morally proper in the american pre-civil war south.

          Any other erronous statements you’d wish corrected?

  • ruperthebear

    Very interesting . One pedantic point, when Macualay said, “Sir” he was not , as you suggest., addressing Sir Talfourd rather the object of his speech was Charles Shaw-Lefevre then the Speaker of the House. All speeches in the Commons are addressed solely to Mr(s)Speaker.

    • Danny

      Who gives a flying fuck?

      I like the way that they still speak the same way in the commons all those years on. It will be interesting to see if the language ever changes in there, maybe with some hip hop slang thrown in for a laugh!

  • http://twitter.com/ahm Avery

    It wasn’t entirely Disney’s fault that copyright was extended so much. Despite Macaulay’s best efforts, decades of propaganda tried to instill copyright as an eternal right rather than a temporary grant. Check out Mark Twain’s writings on the subject.

  • Guest

    In 1841 all these corporate parasites where exterminated. But some dormant spores remained and we are dealing with their pathogenic and virulent offspring today.

    No worry, we are going to kill them all again and this time we will not leave anything not even DNA!

    • Guest

      xD “kill them all”

  • Mwhahaha

    So following this bill was there much piracy?
    Clearly the publishing houses won in the end as in my life time, pre-torrenting I can never remember seeing an unauthorised print of a book, other than photocopies of parts of text books etc.

    So is that the larger message and one which we ought to take heed of, that pirated books never emerged as a killing blow to publishers’ monopolies? The parallel to that would not bode well for the future of torrenting.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      “So following this bill was there much piracy? ”
      Yes, there was. Within 20 years, the US stopped recognizing the copyrights of other nations, so they had a smorgasbord of material to use to build their own list of authors. Pretty hard to collect royalties when a sovereign nation says “Screw you” in a major fashion.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Yes, and yes. Any place where a printing press existed, piracy was the norm.

      And today we have the internet. Global mass communication. And people still believe information control is either possible or, for the main majority, acceptable.

  • RIAAtarded

    Problem is copyright has been allowed to expand into something it was never meant to be. Yes it is important to stay current with policies but the reality is copyright was designed to keep folks from profiting off the works of other and to that end I agree with the enforcement of it. You want to chase those individuals by all means I actually applaud that approach. Get the knockoffs and unsafe products off the street, charge those that are directly profiting from sales of something they don’t own. Where I have to draw the line though is sharing something you have a legal right too or dictating how a product gets used after you’ve purchased it. Your monopoly ends at my front door and no matter what law you enact that will not change…..Who exactly is copyright protecting for the 60 years after the death of the creator? Only a corporations profit margin. That needs to change, there shouldn’t be roadblocks to innovation, creation or personal enjoyment.

    Seems funny to me how pretty much every country in the world has fought hard for their freedoms with more finding them everyday only to sell them off to the highest bidder at some later date. Reminds me of a quote. “There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.” Montesquieu

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Very true, and so apt too :)
      This current copywrong war exists only because the well-established ‘owners’ of the copywrong material’ bought it from the original author/artistes for a pittance and their profits are now at risk due to the internet.

      The original author and artistes no longer NEED those copywrong, industry leeches with their cut-throat contracts.

      I plead for market forces to prevail. Let this copywrong industry adapt or die.
      Copywrong laws in the 21st century are wrong.

      Society, culture, knowledge and intelligence WILL flourish regardless of monopoly protectionism because that’s what make us Human.

      Sharing IS Caring.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Knowledge does not, in and of itself, make us more ccomfortable or uncomfortable; more optimistic or pessimistic. We will certainly say that it helps us adapt, but we can also all remember desperate moments when the urgency of action was obstructed by the burden of too many choices too intricately understood.

    I make no argument in defense of ignorance here. After all, most fool’s comfort is short lived. On the contrary, I intend only to offer one explanation of the limits within which the above article is important in defining the pervasive sense of urgency that makes us more or less permanently uncomfortable; makes us, desperately pessimistic or optimistic by turnes; and, above all, makes us fear that we are like scattered rabbits one breath away from the wolf, adjusting our problems rather than resolving them.

    First, I believe the above article is most valuable as a gift of knowledge. The only wonder is why this knowledge is not more widely spread than it is; and, most specificly, why it has not spread like Promethian fire into the hands and heads that can compel the necessary change.

    Second, I believe that our problems result from the fact that, in our societies, human beings, relative to corporations, lack (not so much knowledge), but POWER. What keeps the important knowledge from flowing to the right heads and hands is raw power. We will not solve the inequities of corporate concentration that embitter us merely because we understand their historical sources. After all, if sheer knowledge and fine reasoning were the basis of necessary political change, then Macauley would have succeeded. Yet, if our current reality is to be the standard of our social progress, then Macauley was an abject failure. It should be said that what awaits us is more of the same, or worse. A million Macauleys will not persuade these special interests by sheer reason that the needs of six billion other human beings outweigh their right to priviledge.

    My sympatrhies to anyone who thinks that Knowledge, in and of itself, is tantamount to Hope or Power. It is true that Knowledge might tell us that we are strong and united and inspired and commited and destined to triumph; but, if it is true KNOWLEDGE, it might just as easily tell us that we are cowardly and weak and misdirected and disorganized and unworthy of any other destiny but the one we have been given. It might also tell us that we have six billion sleeping neighbors who want nothing more than to continue sleeping.

    • Guest

      And one billion who just wants to eat/survive and doesn’t give a shit about ‘piracy’
      And two/three billions ‘slaves’ who struggle to survive producing the crap we need to be ‘pirates’ (aka hardware consumers…) & the food that the animals in rich countries eat…

  • guest

    It would be a “drastic” mistake. A dramatic mistake is when zombies start a tap dancing routine after eating.

    Good article though. Thank you torrentfreak.

  • http://twitter.com/AlyssaBlindy Alyssa Blindy

    Copyright does only restrict people, it is one-sided, it is so conservative and doesn’t allow for change, hence the copyright. The copyright side of the argument is for restrictions, preserve the original, conserve what was created first. Though, that is not going to work; we need a more, copyleft liberal type of form of copyright law in order to promote creativity.

  • Anonymous

    I never thought about it like that before. It does make a whole lot of sense dude.
    real-privacy.eu.tc

  • Todd Johnson

    The printing press was not new in the 1800′s. I didn’t read past the first line because it started with bullshit.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      The printing press first came into circulation 1440 but gutenberg’s old press was a slow monstrosity – a vast improvement over hand-written type to be sure, but still slow.

      However, in the 18th century the first industrial, steam-powered printing press came along, courtesy of a german engineer called Friedrich König.

      This is when the game really shifted. So Ernesto is dead right on all counts but one – he should have mentioned that the printing press referred to was a new and far faster type. The “spinning Jenny” of book production, if you will.

  • Pingback: Piracy and Copyright Challenges in 1841 Mirror Those of Today | TorrentForce Blog

  • unknown

    while the copyright grant an author a long time of monopoly. yet they still complaining that they are losing sale and can’t get enough of revenue. and when did they say that? only a few years after their work are published. they should still have plenty of time to get it, but they just don’t think so.

  • Pingback: Piracy in the House of Commons 1841 « Journeyman

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The whole concept of copyright has been corrupted by ‘industry’ (or MAFIAA) greed and selfishness due to an historical exploitation of original authors and artistes because those originators lacked access to distribution, publishing and marketing of THEIR work. But now we have home computers and the internet that’s no longer relevant or necessary because those authors can do it for themselves without the need for complex contracts or lawyers.

    But now we witness the so-called industry pushing for extension of copywrong laws to death + 60 years etc rather than simply accepting their monopoly is finished and dead.

    The industry’s recent fight against the consumer and Authors-Rights is disgusting and wrong. It’s simply a defunct but rich industry kicking and screaming to keep it’s unfair hold on society rather than accepting 21st century technological advancement that will assist Humanity.

    These “industry” people simply want to hold us all back AND still hold us to ransom too – and that’s WRONG.

    Epic FAIL guys.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    The whole concept of copyright has been corrupted by ‘industry’ (or MAFIAA) greed and selfishness due to an historical exploitation of original authors and artistes because those originators lacked access to distribution, publishing and marketing of THEIR work. But now we have home computers and the internet that’s no longer relevant or necessary because those authors can do it for themselves without the need for complex contracts or lawyers.

    But now we witness the so-called industry pushing for extension of copywrong laws to death + 60 years etc rather than simply accepting their monopoly is finished and dead.

    The industry’s recent fight against the consumer and Authors-Rights is disgusting and wrong. It’s simply a defunct but rich industry kicking and screaming to keep it’s unfair hold on society rather than accepting 21st century technological advancement that will assist Humanity.

    These “industry” people simply want to hold us all back AND still hold us to ransom too – and that’s WRONG.

    Epic FAIL guys.

  • Jensguld

    You can read Macaulay’s speech in extenso here:

    http://www.baen.com/library/prime_palaver4.asp

  • Anon

    Fine piece very well researched!

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    tiny.cc/qcfnd

  • Anonymous

    Well Baron Thomas Macaulay had he been alive today may have been pleased to see that the public revolt against the copyright monopoly has now occurred. This is not the case of wanting to deprive content creators of their fair return but to break the monopoly that exists and to put public rights first.

    One truth is that traditional media has had to be dragged to the Internet kicking and screaming. Piracy is simply filling a gap that has long existed and is now well established.

    Here is one example…

    But, according to the Open Rights Group, legal alternatives remained difficult to get hold of, poorly priced and are of questionable quality. It found that only 43% of the top 50 British films can be bought or rented online while only 58% of the BAFTA Best Film awarded winners since 1960 have been made available. “A wealth of British cultural history is simply not available through legal providers,” ORG’s Peter Bradwell told the conference.

    Shocking to think that about half of all of the best British film content has no lawful on-line presence even now in 2011.

  • Pingback: Piracy and Copyright Challenges in 1841 Mirror Those of Today « Anacristina79's Blog

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    tiny.cc/qcfnd

  • Anonymous

    tiny.cc/qcfnd

  • Pingback: Stories from the Week that Was – 10/23-10/29/11 « Oregon Intellectual Property Law

  • BTGuard - BitTorrent Anonymously

NewsBits

Even more news...

  • The Pirate Bay Isn’t Down Completely, Just Having a Few Issues

    Twitter and Facebook, not to mention the TorrentFreak inbox, are currently alive with complaints that The...

  • Pirate Bay Founder Gottfrid Svartholm on Freedom of Speech

    Freedom of speech is a highly valued commodity, but should people be allowed to say whatever...

  • Blu-ray Anti-Piracy Tech Stops Discs and Promotes Purchases

    An anti-piracy system present in all official Blu-ray players since 2012 has received a fresh update...

  • Foxtel Breeds Pirates by Locking Up Game of Thrones

    One of the main reasons why people turn to piracy is the lack of legal alternatives....

  • UK Student Admits Breaching Sony Copyrights With Leak of PS3 SDK

    Last year an Internet user known as El Nomeo leaked version 3.70 of Sony’s Playstation3 SDK...

MostDiscussed

Below are TorrentFreak's most discussed articles of the past month. Join the discussion if you like.

CopyQuote

Left Quote

“The Pirate Bay has been one of the most important movements in Sweden for freedom of speech, working against corruption and censorship.

Peter Sunde Left Quote

PopularArticles

A selection of some TorrentFreak's classics dug up from our archives.