Study: Piracy is Caused by Poor Choice
Written by Ben Jones on March 05, 2008According to a new study just released in the UK, one of the biggest causes of copyright infringement is a lack of choice. The study further shows that one third of the Brits have downloaded copyright infringing content, or plans to do so in the future.
This claim, published in the 2008 Digital Entertainment Survey (pdf), is only reiterating what has been said many times before , that trying to promote the artificial scarcity is what is fueling piracy.
In total, 70% of those who admitted to piracy agreed that “legal sites just don’t have the range of illegal ones” (try looking for Beatles tracks) whilst almost as many said they would pay for downloads, if what they wanted was available. This is probably also one of the main reasons why half of the BitTorrent downloads are TV-shows.
The fact that one third of the UK citizens can be labeled as a pirate is thus a signal that these customers want something that is not available through other channels. It’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free.
On top of the availability issue, 68% of the respondents who have downloaded copyrighted content indicate that the illegal alternatives are more convenient, because they can get what they want much faster.
In addition, the report shows that anti-piracy campaigns are not very effective. To the possible despair of industry bodies, however, 68% believed that that are very unlikely to be caught downloading, showing that slogans such as ‘You can click but you can’t hide‘ are understood as intimidation rather than a promise.
With a motion having being put forward, requesting the information being used to identify and prosecute filesharers, and judges getting annoyed with the methods used in these cases, the chances of being caught are steadily declining.
If there is anything the Entertainment Industry should take from this report, it’s that they should move with the times, and start releasing their back catalogs for sale, rather than let someone else do it for free.
Previously: NIN Confirms Uploads to Public and Private Torrent Sites
Next: IFPI Pressure Forces ISPs to Block Another File-Sharing Site
93 Responses
Well said, exactly how I feel.
Availability and prices…make it available sooner and easy to get as well as affordable and they would have my business. All things that are possible while they still stuff their pockets.
Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downlloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance
clearly the world hacks
“Piracy” by any means offers something else that is steadily growing in importance:
PRIVACY
When you buy almost ANYTHING online, you could just as well agree to a body cavity search, have it filmed and posted online.
In a manner of speak … ;)
I’d be one of those who didn’t admit to piracy, because I’m not one. I consider myself very honest (I have to be in my position) and have used file sharing for a long time.
It is what the people want and what the Internet is about. The laws will eventually have to bend to the will of the people and not the other way round. At present they are murky, unclear and inconsistent geographically. The Internet has no boundaries and thus cannot bind and restrict individuals wherever they are.
Media pricing is artificially inflated by the cartels, who try to control and fix it according to location. Then they make certain titles available there but not here, and repeat a TV season ad infinitum on pay TV rather than show the whole series, because in another 50 years they intend to release it on DVD when there’s no interest anymore.
But it is available now and for a good price to all thanks to file sharing.
As it is we all pay the media cartels through their extortion fee on every blank media disk.
And why would govts want to ban file sharing when that would mean the end of the Internet as we know it, and ISPs would go out of business, meaning a drastic reduction in taxes paid every month by every user?
i agree with the tv-shows. i would have paid to have uh lets say hbo if it was available in my country, but its not. so im forced to download it. alternative way is to watch it when it air in norway, 6 months after.
meh. i would still download as much if it still air’ed in norway as the same time as any other channels =)
and don’t forget those who PAID for Sky One (for all the american shows) then had it removed from their Virgin Media account because Branson fell out with Sky…
Sky gets the American series too late anyway.
If the legal channels provided the better quality material without DRM, it would get purchased a lot more. The large corporations don’t seem to release that their DRM just discourages people from purchasing music as it much makes it more hassle not less. It’s very difficult to stop people redistributing data between each other, so instead of trying to limit the use of the data, the firms should just ensure that they are the fastest and easiest method or getting it.
iTunes for example doesn’t ever get used because DRM (which is getting removed.. but sitll have to pay to “upgrade” to non-DRM on existing files), and you can’t redownload the files if you lose it. Data loss is common on computers, people will lose lose and need to redownload them, they shouldn’t be expected to pay for the data again. The format they use should be what people want – for me that’s MP3 and FLAC, and price difference between the two formats should be caused by added bandwidth costs.
Get legal content it’s fucking complicated if you’re not on US or EU…
If you don’t have international CC, you won’t have paypal…
Then you’ll have to pay taxes for shipping, wait 30 days… taxes for govern…
Or just 3 clicks and download right away in less then 24 hours!
Other cases, there are stuff that you just can’t find in ANY store…
[quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed!
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Take the results with a pinch of salt.
They surveyed something like one person in every 40,000 of the population, and make some funny claims, like Apple TV outselling the iphone (1.2 million apple TVs based on their results vs apples lousy iphone performance in the UK, maybe 200,000 up to xmas).
[quote]The survey reveals that a substantial proportion of consumers are generally receptive towards brands being more involved in social
networks: just under 1 in 5 would even add brands as a ‘friend’ on
their profile.[/quote]
At least 73% of all respondants disagreed with everything asked about advertisements. 73-81% of people being against you is not “receptive” in anyones books.
Perhaps of more interest is the claim that 7/10 would stop downloading with one C+D letter.
Problem is, they have 4 options, rather than yes/no.
50% say they agree they would stop downloading rather than strongly agree. If those 50% truly intended to stop at the first letter, they would have chosen strongly agree instead.
So what is actually left is that possibly 1/5 will freak out and stop all downloading if they were sent a letter.
I wont bother ripping into the rest of it, just don’t read too much into the 1600 people who took the survey, or place any kind of faith in their findings.
[quote comment="304264"][quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed![/quote]
agreed
[quote comment="304264"][quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed![/quote]
Me3
Me, also.
[quote comment="304264"][quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed![/quote]
Agreed, why let the media in when we’re just about finished with them?
They had their chance(s). They blew it.
[quote comment="304264"][quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed![/quote]
I have to say I agree, I will never stop downloading for free. Fact is there rich and im poor, and i just dont give a shit.
Anyone that would pay for something when it’s free obviously has more money than brains.
While I think this article makes some good points about why the industry as to change, it’s also important to note that, according to the report: 7 out of 10 people would stop downloading if warned by their ISPs.
That’s another, less desirable, avenue for change.
I think this is true and as old as the printing press. Pirates were printing books which were hard to find, obscure stuff.
I NEED TO GO TO BOOTLEGGER THERAPY BECAUSE I CANT STOP. I HAVE TRIED MANY TIMES BUT THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING I WANT.I LOVE HUNTING TORRENTS. THE FACT THAT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW MAKES IT BETTER FOR ME. HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED TO QUIT?? IT SEEMS THERE ARE OTHERS JUST LIKE ME WHO CANT STOP….WE KNOW THE TRUTH…….I HAVE BEEN TO THE GATES OF TORRENT HELL AND I LIKED IT…
What’s the solution for pirated programs and games? People will choose the free way no matter how DRM-free music or tv-shows get. Piracy is for getting stuff free.
Fallacy – “piracy” of files implies you could buy them – this is wrong – look at how much music and other media is out of print and can only be found on a torrent (free) or used (high price) – why is ANY SONG out of print now that the cost to provide it is $0? Even then, if you want, say, Andy Summers’ albums, you have to “pirate” them because his label is gone. Why are ALL of Sheena Easton’s 1980s albums out of print? This is just a sign that copyright is TOO LONG and is de facto censorship because companies can withhold creative works from the public and just sit on them.
To be honest I believe why pay when you can get stuff for free? I maybe wrong on many levels, but i m a “normal” human being. Anyways i’ve had it with nonsensical marketing crap being shoved down. Very few shows and artists and movies are worth it.
[quote comment="304399"]People will choose the free way no matter how DRM-free music or tv-shows get. Piracy is for getting stuff free.[/quote]
Not entirely true. I have a friend, who describes himeself as a ‘media archiver’, stated to me recently that if there were no DRM or Anti-copy protection on music, movies, software, etc., it would be of little value to do it and he would stop. No DRM would take all the fun out of it.
Personally, I’d continue anyway. I have stopped using my VCR to record TV programs and simply D/L them after they air. That way I can burn them to a DVD-RW and watch them at my convenience or convert them to a suitable format and watch them on the device of MY choice. So what’s their loss? Hmm, ZERO! What’s my gain? EVERYTHING!
Ramming speed? Not fast enough.
Light speed? Still not fast enough.
LETS GO FOR LUDICROUS SPEED!
Plaid all the way!
PS. Bonus points if you understand the reference.
yeh trent reznor said this ages ago & woz right
I totally agree: Lots of piracy is caused by the poor selections offered at record shops and online stores.
We should also recognizes other reasons why people turn to piracy, such as:
-Pirated music is free.
-Legal music is too expensive.
-Most of the money you spend on legal music doesn’t reach the artist any how.
-Cds are dead
-Lots of people just hate record companies
I cant say for others but I can only speak for myself. I work at a retail entertainment store as Inventory manager. I do checkout alot of movies , shows, and music and as such have gone on to buying 90% of the movies I wathed and almost 95% of the music I check out. If it wasnt for TPB, mini, and other places I wouldnt have known of groups as fintroll, gernotshagen. I know what you pay at the store is so much more then retail price. I pay wholesale plus 5%. on average my dvd are around 8 –10 dollars max for new releases and less on CD’s 7 dollars and less for new cd’s. I am one of the lucky ones as I work in a place like that and have an excess amount of movies to make most rental stores jealous. If I was to have to pay for each and every song , album. or movie I would be hosed. Is it fair for me to own the music and get charged for downloading the same song just for sake of convience and time. No.. the RIAA and MPAA are group of ciminals in their selves. And as for retailors saying that they get hosed and are loosing money from piracy its a little known fact that the base retail market only make 2 cents profit per dollar amount of item sold.
Anyhow thankyou Hastings Entertainment for my 12 yrs service and my insane movie and music collection.
Any company claiming that they are loosing company to piracy is backwards, they are loosing money to the RIAA MPAA, and thats fact.
Please Digg this so it can reach a larger audience and perhaps attract the attention of the RIAA.
I read Torrenfreak all the time and I’m sure you all will hate me for this comment, but its true.
Please Digg it.
[quote comment="304427"]To be honest I believe why pay when you can get stuff for free? I maybe wrong on many levels, but i m a “normal” human being. Anyways i’ve had it with nonsensical marketing crap being shoved down. Very few shows and artists and movies are worth it.[/quote]
I’m with you one this as well. Why pay for something when we can get it for free?
Some people seem to think that humans were born to work. Wrong. Humans work to live. Advances in technology should make human life easier and more convenient, not be another way to make money for a fake system created by humans to feel important for work that they do.
I know I’m terrible with words, but at least I try to be honest and not confuse people like certain scum with jargon words.
Quite frankly, there is nothing morally wrong with downloading illegally. It’s only wrong in the eyes of a fake system created by humans. Besides, wasn’t America “created by the people for the people” or some bullshit like that? Well, guess what, the people want to be able to freely do as they please on the internet.
A country can fall if all its people are in jail or against it in some way because of select individuals too blind to realize that what they’re doing is wrong.
Personally i have the mentality that
1. “why buy when you can get it for free! Thats the pirates philosophy”
2. The quality, i am not gonna buy a dvd and ass rape my pc due to drm.
3.As far as software goes; as much as i love adobes products iam not dishing out over 1k to use it.
4. Like someone mentioned above, legitimate distributor’s of media need to be able to provide high quality non drm products before i go back to buying.
5. Besides there are better things government’s can put their money towards…. like education? just a thought
[quote comment="304568"][quote comment="304427"]To be honest I believe why pay when you can get stuff for free? I maybe wrong on many levels, but i m a “normal” human being. Anyways i’ve had it with nonsensical marketing crap being shoved down. Very few shows and artists and movies are worth it.[/quote]
I’m with you one this as well. Why pay for something when we can get it for free?
Some people seem to think that humans were born to work. Wrong. Humans work to live. Advances in technology should make human life easier and more convenient, not be another way to make money for a fake system created by humans to feel important for work that they do.
I know I’m terrible with words, but at least I try to be honest and not confuse people like certain scum with jargon words.
Quite frankly, there is nothing morally wrong with downloading illegally. It’s only wrong in the eyes of a fake system created by humans. Besides, wasn’t America “created by the people for the people” or some bullshit like that? Well, guess what, the people want to be able to freely do as they please on the internet.
A country can fall if all its people are in jail or against it in some way because of select individuals too blind to realize that what they’re doing is wrong.[/quote]
i completely agree.
and an edit to my above post
2. I’am not going to buy a dvd and when played in my pc have it get ass raped by the DRM.
(hehe didnt want anyone getting the wrong idea)
Feed the frenzy guys and make it all the more acceptable for all to steal, rather than pay for the content we all adore. Let’s just hand over fucking keys to the White House now to foreign interests. Intellectual property rights and the creative genius of our IT and entertainment industries is one of the US’s only remaining competitive advantages in the new economy. If the industry does not protect itself here, how can we stop the widespread copying/duplication of our property off-shore.
I believe that the entertainment industry has been too slow in making its content available and they keep protecting the old world by charging too much for it online but it is not fucking yours and they can choose to do with what is theirs as they wish. I have a 15 year old and do not let him steal content online – the same as he knows he can’t steal money off my dresser draw (after all that is easy to do and I won’t notice). Do the right thing you fucking criminals. It is not your content to steal.
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ok….as both a file sharer and a musician (although not in a large band, or making any money from it) i can appreciate both sides of the argument, i honestly believe that the true course should lie somewhere between the two polar opposites that are currently demanded by each side of the argument
from the musicains/labels point of view
- bieng in a band is expensive, the gear costs a hell of a lot, as does travel, maintinence, and living out on the road, not to mention the ludicrous prices charged by commercial quality studios, meaning that they simply cant afford to throw away revenue on illigal downloads (well mabye the big 4 can, but smaller labels, independant or otherwise run on far too small a margins for this to be practical)
- if artists arent earning a regualr income from sales of records then the likelyhood is that they wont be able to tour etc… as many people say they should, as it is a very expensive undertaking, as well as highly time consuming, meaning that they would not be able to work enough to keep food on there tables if they went on tour for say 6 months with no garantee of payment (for most artsits its either a small fixed fee or a percentage of door takings plus merch sales) so many people may decide to get a more stable job instead, leading to a drop off in the number of artists actively touring or recording material, and leading to an increased saturation of pop music, which generally comes with much more low-key, or shorter tours, which are a much smaller gamble for lables/promoters etc…
however, from my perspective as a file sharer
-music is percieved as expensive, although, when you consider the effort and skills taken to produce and average commercial grade album, and the enjoyment you get from listening to a quality song or album , i think in many cases the price is more or less justified. (although of course there are a lot of generic albums which are rushed off to a formula to make a quick buck)
-the lables take a large cut of any money you pay for an album….however, you should remember that it is the label that pays for things like studio time, duplication and promotion, none of which your average band would be able to afford to do for themselves
-drm sucks…admittedly, it is really annoying, however, labels have to try to curb people sharing like they did back in the casette tape days, and simply making copies all there friends, and then all the friends making copies for there friends etc…
in conclusion
artists and lables deserve payment for what is a large effort, and often a financial gamble on there part, and althouhg music is increasinly seen as a service instead of a product, it remains a product, which has a value attached,so it is unfair to simply take without giving back, so the middle ground must be sought, ie donations, ad-supported music and people buy merchandise, and in return the lables should relax DRM as much as its commercially safe to, and increasingly look to touring and live shows, even though they can be a risk, as they are the arena where all the largest acts of ‘pop’ in all its forms since the world wars have established themselves
flame away if you feel the need, but i tried to keep it neutral, which is the only sensible way to look at the issue
[quote comment="304586"]Feed the frenzy guys and make it all the more acceptable for all to steal, rather than pay for the content we all adore. Let’s just hand over fucking keys to the White House now to foreign interests. Intellectual property rights and the creative genius of our IT and entertainment industries is one of the US’s only remaining competitive advantages in the new economy. If the industry does not protect itself here, how can we stop the widespread copying/duplication of our property off-shore.
I believe that the entertainment industry has been too slow in making its content available and they keep protecting the old world by charging too much for it online but it is not fucking yours and they can choose to do with what is theirs as they wish. I have a 15 year old and do not let him steal content online – the same as he knows he can’t steal money off my dresser draw (after all that is easy to do and I won’t notice). Do the right thing you fucking criminals. It is not your content to steal.[/quote]
Not to flame, but considering how badly we as consumers are “robbed” by large cooperations with every purchase we make i think certain companies get what they deserve.
Now i don’t support pirating music, but i pirate movies. Why? because iam not paying 10 bucks to get a ticket, and then have to deal with assholes in the theater while i “try” to enjoy my film. Not only that but if you go alone which rarely happens when people go to movies, your lucky to walk out of there without spending 25 bucks. So i will just download it for free and watch it as many times as i want to without having to deal with possibly reinstalling my OS every time i want to watch a legally purchased dvd because of DRM.
But face it when you think of the average standard of living for Americans the RICH musicians are never hurt by the money they lose to pirating, granted they may be “grieved” into having to buy 12 cars instead of 27, and only 3 multi million dollar houses instead of 8.
Ask yourself this,if someone gave you the ability to make money without having to work for it. I am more than confident your first response would not be “No thanks, i would rather work for that money”
[quote comment="304264"][quote comment="304127"]Torrents offer:
- greatest selection of media known to man
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- we can do what we want with it
Legal downloads need to offer at least 4 of the above before they stand a chance[/quote]
4? LOL! They not only need to offer all of the above but even more. And frankly, after years of being harassed, hounded, and branded a criminal by the entertainment industry I don’t think I’m willing to just say “let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven” and start paying them, no matter what they do. I don’t feel I’m alone in this thinking either.
How many have had their lives disrupted and even destroyed by the anti-piracy forces. How many college students were forced to leave college (and their future plans) due to being sued into the poorhouse by RIAA goons? Grandmothers, students, working class parents, even a dead person has been targeted by these dirtbags and the scum of the legal profession that works in their cause.
Dan Glickman of the MPAA says that I and my fellow filesharers (100 million+ and growing) are the “lowest form of criminal” and the “scum of the earth” for pirating movies. Now because they’re teetering on the brink of collapse I’m supposed to just put all the bad feelings in the past and move on? AND actually give them money???
You know what? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. The MPAA and RIAA were the ones who decided it was good business strategy to criminalize their customer base, buy and corrupt the political process to change laws that benefit the entertainment industry’s interests and not the people’s, and even relentlessly try to meddle and influence the internal affairs of other countries (as in the Pirate Bay case). All in the name of money.
Greedy, arrogant bastards. The hell with them. The future of entertainment distribution is developing just fine without their participation in building the platforms and business models of tomorrow. It won’t be too many more years before they are nothing but a bad memory. I do believe we will see it in our lifetime. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
They can hire all the Media Defenders and buy all the politicians they want. In the end, it will not save them.
I say hoist the sails mateys. Ramming speed![/quote]
agreed!
qft
to 37. Azlan
[quote comment="304608"]
from the musicains/labels point of view
- bieng in a band is expensive, the gear costs a hell of a lot, as does travel, maintinence, and living out on the road, not to mention the ludicrous prices charged by commercial quality studios, meaning that they simply cant afford to throw away revenue on illigal downloads (well mabye the big 4 can, but smaller labels, independant or otherwise run on far too small a margins for this to be practical)
[/quote]
first, isnt the gear a onetime investment. imean, ofc if u want to buy 235325325 guitars that costs alot but once u have bought one u got one, travling isnt that expensive, u take a buss etc. living on the road, ok acceptable.
does really illegal downloads fuck that up. you say “meaning that they simply cant afford to throw away revenue on illigal downloads ” its not like any artists have had to cancel their tour because of piracy?Lol. ofc its expensive to get makeup etc. but dont they get paid to do an concert??? dont they get paid for the cd’s that they sell to the people who like their music? if people like it they buy it, if not they probly wouldnt have bought it in the first place, you know.
meh sorry for typos in my thread above, and even if it is that expensive as u say, they still get paid for everything + extas.
[quote comment="304267"]Take the results with a pinch of salt.
They surveyed something like one person in every 40,000 of the population, and make some funny claims, like Apple TV outselling the iphone (1.2 million apple TVs based on their results vs apples lousy iphone performance in the UK, maybe 200,000 up to xmas).
SNIP
…
SNIP
I wont bother ripping into the rest of it, just don’t read too much into the 1600 people who took the survey, or place any kind of faith in their findings.[/quote]
1600 is a perfectly acceptable sample size and will give a very decent confidence interval. Please learn something about statistics before trying to “rip into it”.
What that long winded guy said
Over here ( in the UK ), another key reason that people download TV shows is that they run so much later over here. For example, 24 generally runs from September onwards in the US, it’s then released to Sky TV, an expensive satellite TV network that I don’t have any need to sign up to… a few months later it is finally released on DVD. The same applies to Prison Break, LOST, etc.
By the time the DVD has been released, i’ve spoken to American friends, and people who watched it on Sky, and half the plot has been spoiled. Alternatively, I could torrent it ( usually about an hour ) after each episode airs in the US and be ahead of the game.
If I could buy it in the UK, be it on DVD as it airs on TV, or through iTunes or similar, i’d gladly do so, but I can’t!
Blah blah blah I download shit because it’s free.
I pirate music because it’s free. I honestly wouldn’t buy it if I couldn’t, and nothing would change my mind. I can easily live without music. I enjoy films more so I always buy them, unless they are released elsewhere first. Being labelled a pirate is quite an honour, they should start by calling us something less cool.
- high quality
- DRM free
- ours forever
- easiness of use/ not complicated to transfer music from thng to another OR only able to use it on 5 home computer ./stare itunes
Just reiterating a post above
Can somebody please ban lily from this site for spamming.
Seriously lil, fuck off. Nobody cares about you and lanky friends, it’s not our fault they can’t get laid.
To all those that are complaining about the delay in US programming overseas, I just have to say this goes both ways!
I’m in the US and it sucks that we usually have to wait months (and sometimes years) for BBC programming: Top Gear, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Spooks.
If there was a affordable/timely/legal method of getting the shows above I would pay, but right now there isn’t! Torrents is the only way, unless you have overseas friends willing to record broadcasts for you (which is how I used to get my BBC shows) That method took TIME, money, and knowing someone overseas.
WTF, the RSS reader numbers just jumped from 40+k to 102k in a few hours O.o
to the musicians:
reasons you no longer make money.
1.)YOUR LABELS WILL SUE PEOPLE
2.) read number 1.
notice that since the suits p2p has become MORE popular not less.
as to the tv , um. Lets see for half the cost ( meaning my phoneline and adsl cost) vs digital box and or satellite boxes cost i get the tv and i get it with no commercials.
same with movies.
NOW the origin of tv was that ads would pay for it. Things dont cost more they cost less and even take up less bandwidth
aka same resolution as a dvdr as a h264.avc.aac mp4 video/aac audio
4.5 gb down to about 800 meg streamed.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOUR KIDDING
greedy bastards
and that gene simmons add on IFC insults my intelligence.
Ya lets bea musician so i can have my fans sued ya that is what wrecks the music industry NOT me dling via p2p and then maybe going to actually buy or donate.
They’ve treated us like shit, lied, called us thieves, and sued many of us, and they just expect us to forgive them and go back to buying their stuff?
I’ll have to think about that one.
I say the labels/musicians/actors should either:
a)Quit whining
b)Get another job
There are plenty of people that produce these things for fun, not out there to make money.
You DONT need a professional recording studio, you DONT need music videos that cost thousands to produce.
Open source my friends.
I’m an advocate of filesharing, so I always find your stories interesting, but I think your headline here needs some context. I’m reading through the linked PDF before addressing any other points and have come to the heading “7 out of 10 say they would cease pirating if they received a warning from their ISP” (page 19).
What this shows is that more users need to be educated about the evils of the entertainment capitalists, so they don’t feel guilty about downloading and so that they are prepared to stand up for freedom. Most people are not using P2P because of “choice and availability” as your headline claims. They are doing it because they can get away with it. The majority of leechers sadly don’t care about who they are taking potential income from. They are just as greedy, if not as wealthy, as the fat cats in the business.
An idealogue such as myself might argue that the torrent scene is akin to socialism, wherein anyone can have access to data no matter what their age, sex, race and wealth, but the reality is that the majority of P2P users are just as selfishly capitalistic as the bosses. Money not spent on CDs and DVDs is spent on other mass-market products, like the TVs, ipods and mobile phones also listed in the survey.
Not only do people need to be educated into mis-trusting distributors of music, but also the companies that bombard us with the hardware needed to use them.
It’s ironic that technology is killing off the software industries (including record labels), but greatly boosting their hardware counterparts. Shouldn’t the IFPI be suing Apple for inventing the iPod and giving us a reason for downloading so much in the first place?
I agree. Selection is key. Also, the corporations are such tightwads. back in the day if I bought a Sony CD, I could play it in any CD player. Nowadays if I download a song from iTunes I can only play it on an iPod. What is wrong with this picture?
I think the economic model has to change.
However, these things take time.
The downloading revolution is really only about ten years old, max.
Movie studios will provide content across borders when they have the infrastructure, capacity, and legal ability to do so.
Remember that there are many deals in place that are legally dependent on the concept of “windows.” For example, movie studios would LOVE to provide electronic sell-through day and date with home video release, but some of the downstream ancillary licensees have contracts that forbid them to do so.
Which is why you’ll see a movie title available on a legal site for rental or purchase, and then disappear for awhile.
This also occurs across borders. Some territories have contracts that guarantee them
As these deals expire and the economics change (when those downstream licensees become less valuable), we’ll see a borderless, windowless world where content is available all at the same time in all media.
It’s not being done to screw anybody.
They need to keep the gay porn coming for all of us. Aint that rite my gay brothers and sisters?
@26
LETS GO FOR LUDICROUS SPEED!
That would be “space balls” I believe.
I download for one simple reason, DRM. I’m not gonna pay for something when what I can do with that file is limited, after I’ve bought it. I may as well go download it DRM-free, free of charge.
Plus, If my money actually supported artists then maybe I would download, but why should I give my money to some fat old fucker who is chairman of a recording company?
id happily pay a few dollars per episode for a tv show that will download fast and WITHOUT drm
1. Lose the DRM
2. High Quality aka FLAC for audio, H.264 for video
3. Lower the prices, they are to high
4. Release world wide, it sucks when US gets most movies/tvshows months before EU!
[quote comment="304586"]Feed the frenzy guys and make it all the more acceptable for all to steal
[/quote]
Newsflash, pea-brain: If hitting The Pirate Bay and downloading a copy of the latest summer blockbuster is “theft”, then so is recording it once it airs on television.
Ever use a VCR? Maybe you own a DVR like TiVO? Ever record a song off the radio? If so, then you’re a nothing but a filthy little thief who should be directing his righteous indignation at none other than his lowly self.
[quote comment="304586"]I have a 15 year old and do not let him steal content online – the same as he knows he can’t steal money off my dresser draw (after all that is easy to do and I won’t notice).[/quote]
What if your 15 year old had the magical power to make the money on your nightstand divide itself into a perfect 1:1 duplicate, and then put the duplicate money in his pocket and walked away? Would that be theft? Yeah, it could more or less be considering counterfeiting, but would it be *theft*?
No.
Hey… What’s that going up in smoke?
Oh, it’s your harebrained logic.
If I were your 15 year old, I’d smack you upside the fucking head.
[quote comment="304586"]
Do the right thing you fucking criminals. It is not your content to steal.[/quote]
Awww… Are the commonfolk being mean to the sleazey criminals that compose the RIAA and MPIAA? Is the the wittle baby crying for the plight of the poor MAFIAA?
Get bent.
you want to make money with your intellectual property?
1.) make it better
2.) make it available to EVERYONE
3.) price it affordably
4.) make a lot of it
seems to me the model the entertainment business has had for too long is this notion of only the people who can afford deserve my best. other’s can simply fuck off.
hey…that’s the way the health-care industry works in the USA!
this strategy works. case in point: NIN just made $750K in TWO DAYS of downloads. and that’s money that goes straight into Reznor’s pocket.
we gotta stop listening to the pricks who own the business. they’re gasping for air and the fuck lawyers are putting the blame on anyone who doesn’t understand this.
Just for those of you who aren’t that familiar with the philosophy of Dan Glickman towards filesharers, here’s a telling example straight from the horse’s (ass) mouth.
http://www.defamer.com/topic/mpaa-ready-to-sue-pirates-024974.php
What a charmer, eh? Know your enemy folks.
Oh, and just for the conspiracy minded, check out the last sentence of Wikipedia’s page on Glickman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Glickman
Yikes! Maybe there’s something to all that Illuminati stuff after all. :D
Fuck em, fuck all these excuses for why file sharing should be stopped.. omg the artist the artist..
I dont even want to start in the incredible amount of ways I can burn these excuses, fact is there fucked, we win, we always will win, shut the fuck up and download something.
If they offered back catalouges of classic movies and well made movies rather than the latest pap that hollywoods vomits up after rechewing what was once wonderfull… then I’d buy new films.
Untill then I’m just going to buy well made, well written, well acted movies and down load the new stuf to get an idea of todays “standards”.
Dont go to codex creations. The owner is a racist and a worthless piece of shyte.
Dead people walk faster than the speeds of their torrents, and its supposed Scene driven. lmfao.
If you want something that every other site has, and hear a big headed owner talk about how hes the no.1 hacker in the world, the by all means, go there.
But not if youre an asian. He’ll hack you, abuse you then ban you.
[quote comment="305058"][quote comment="304586"]Feed the frenzy guys and make it all the more acceptable for all to steal
[/quote]
Newsflash, pea-brain: If hitting The Pirate Bay and downloading a copy of the latest summer blockbuster is “theft”, then so is recording it once it airs on television.
Ever use a VCR? Maybe you own a DVR like TiVO? Ever record a song off the radio? If so, then you’re a nothing but a filthy little thief who should be directing his righteous indignation at none other than his lowly self.
[quote comment="304586"]I have a 15 year old and do not let him steal content online – the same as he knows he can’t steal money off my dresser draw (after all that is easy to do and I won’t notice).[/quote]
What if your 15 year old had the magical power to make the money on your nightstand divide itself into a perfect 1:1 duplicate, and then put the duplicate money in his pocket and walked away? Would that be theft? Yeah, it could more or less be considering counterfeiting, but would it be *theft*?
No.
Hey… What’s that going up in smoke?
Oh, it’s your harebrained logic.
If I were your 15 year old, I’d smack you upside the fucking head.
[quote comment="304586"]
Do the right thing you fucking criminals. It is not your content to steal.[/quote]
Awww… Are the commonfolk being mean to the sleazey criminals that compose the RIAA and MPIAA? Is the the wittle baby crying for the plight of the poor MAFIAA?
Get bent.[/quote]
We can all learn a valuable, party approved*, lesson from the brave comrade Anonymous.
How could the fascist he is re-educating have been so blind as to oppress his own daughter and deny her such natural birthrights as free Ja Rule MP3’s?
Thanks to his wisdom we now have the financial capacity to feed all the starving children in the universe.
To the money printing machines comrades!
Shoot, does anyone have a printer? I guess we’ll have to ‘duplicate’ some from Best Buy.
Quickly men! Equip your freedom fighter ski masks and capes, then ask mother to drop you off at a store near you, for the children of course.
You comrade,
Putin 08
*Party lessons are subject to change without notice
lots of choice http://dnbshare.blogspot.com/
[quote comment="305217"]Fuck em, fuck all these excuses for why file sharing should be stopped.. omg the artist the artist..
I dont even want to start in the incredible amount of ways I can burn these excuses, fact is there fucked, we win, we always will win, shut the fuck up and download something.[/quote]
Right you are comrade! The nazi right wing fascist lawyers are many things, like baby eaters and oil war mongers, but they aren’t naive enough to challenge your authority on this issue. All the young comrades and comradettes: take note of this truly compassionate display of mercy whereby Party Chairman Rycon spared the infidels his wrath of ‘incredible amount of ways I can burn these excuses’!
Your evidence is overwhelming.
Your comrade,
Putin 08
“Many said they would pay for downloads, if what they wanted was available.”
Oh Pah-leeze. We all know that is a crock of shit. Amazon.com, among others, has a huge catalogue. I wonder how much outrage there would be if TPB charged, say, a $20 monthly fee for accessing its trackers.
Actually, Scott, that is not a crock of shit. Also, there would not be a ‘lot of outrage’ if TPB charged a $20 monthly fee for the use of it’s trackers.
People would be willing to pay that, because they could then get a BOATLOAD of stuff of it that would make the small payment each month worth it.
That is what is missing in the internet today: music, movies, games available without DRM, at a fair price, able to be saved to your choice of media (DVD, Blu-Ray, whatever), and a ONE TIME PAYMENT FOR ANY FUTURE FORM OF SAID ARTICLE.
[quote comment="304574"]
2. The quality, i am not gonna buy a dvd and ass rape my pc due to drm.[/quote]
OK, I know you corrected it in your next post, but that was the funniest thing I read today. lol
…
I download music all the time via torrent, and I would according to the MAFIAA, be considered a pirate. (which BTW is the coolest title they could ever have given me)
And there have been many times where I will buy an album from smaller bands, even when the music is top notch, but I download it because they are doing OK, and they aren’t filthy rich. But when it comes to artists who are multi-millionaires, I wouldn’t drop a penny to them. They are FAR more rich than I, and I work just as hard (if not harder (specialty farming isn’t easy, nor is delivering papers)). And I don’t know about you guys, but I have seen they way celebs live, and how wasteful they are! The money that I would have paid them would have probably gone down the garbage with the food they just throw away, and the gas they burn.
Now, if they only accepted 60,000 of the money that comes in, I would probably pay them.
It goes for the same with giving a tip in a restaurant, I only give tips to workers who make less than I. (but I gratefully give money to a waitress who makes less)
I almost never DL movies, since I don’t watch much TV ever. (although I am DLing a movie now, just to see if I like it, and if I like it I may buy the DVD (if I can find the DVD somewhere). I like to watch movies before I pay, because there are too many duds these days.
So my main point is: if artists were less greedy, I would pay them. (and as soon as I have some money again after college, I plan on donating money to various OSS projects since I am not much of a coder)
I hope the MAFIAA finally buckles due to it’s own disgusting tactics. Such a day would be rejoiced across the world. We might even get some good movies or music that are worth watching or listening to.
Movies and music will always be here, we don’t need big labels for that. In fact, we’d be better off.
I must admit however that I pirate every piece of commercial software, music, or movie I want or need, and will continue doing so. I used to be a software developer, so I know the real impact of pirating:nothing. The big companies keep selling their over-bloated, shitty programs, and they make tons of money.
I used to write server management programs for a large corporation (Symantec), and hated every minute of it. Even though I got paid, it wasn’t worth it. After I quit I tried out the open-source approach. Even though I didn’t get paid for my work, I felt like I was providing an integral service.
BTW: To everyone that thinks they’ll lose their job to so called “pirating”, tough luck, get a new one.
If you think the lack of choice is bad in the UK then you should come to Australia. We have like two legal download film and TV sites. Bigpond & reeltime.tv. Everything is so exspensive. For example for me to download a song from itunes it will cost me $1.69 But if I could download it from the USA store for 99 cents when I convert it to Australian dollars it will only cost me about $1.10. This is how stupid we are in Australia.
[quote comment="305423"]
How could the fascist he is re-educating have been so blind as to oppress his own daughter and deny her such natural birthrights as free Ja Rule MP3’s?
You comrade,
Putin 08
*Party lessons are subject to change without notice[/quote]
Your satire fails for many reasons, one of which is that the 15 year old in question is MALE.
I’d ask how you could possibly mistake him for being FEMALE after he was explicitly referred to as male, but you are clearly a moron; the question would be redundant.
Another reason it fails(and by extension, you), is that without a grain of truth behind it, satire is completely ruderless.
In summary… You suck.
This is very true, look at the amount of shows, especially HD rips that are downloaded online. Here in the UK it shows that there is a great demand for more HDTV shows. It’s time this country took its finger out it’s ass and sorted things out!
[quote comment="304142"]“Piracy” by any means offers something else that is steadily growing in importance:
PRIVACY
When you buy almost ANYTHING online, you could just as well agree to a body cavity search, have it filmed and posted online.
In a manner of speak … ;)[/quote]
Agreed.
Just one of the many, many reasons why e-business is stagnant / a tiny fraction of what it could and should be;
the mafIAA dinosaurs are only a problem in that although it would be easy to put them out of their misery if the tools [for a free-market digital economy, i.e. e-cash] were available, the tools themselves just don’t exist.
It would be easy to cure the disease if we had the pill [e-cash], but no one has invented the pill / the pill has been violently suppressed and repressed by not just the dinosaurs, but the actual power-brokers of the world [basically, anyone who stands to lose if online transactions are untraceable; untraceable = untaxable, traceable = inconvenient].
In short, prevalent e-cash –> free-market conditions online –> REASONABLY priced music, and MUCH more, available in a way that profits the creators and the workers directly, bypassing the middleman.
and heavens forbid, the taxman too….
[quote comment="304153"]
…
The Internet has no boundaries and thus cannot bind and restrict individuals wherever they are.
…[/quote]
No offense, but I strongly disagree with you.
Google censors out all politically dissident websites in China; Yahoo “accidently” made The Pirate Bay disappear until an ENORMOUS uproar brought it back; youTube regularly removes videos it considers politically dissident, religiously incendiary, or otherwise counter-establishment; MSN Live is a joke, backed by a company with a history of 100% abuse-of-power. Even Wikipedia is constantly in hot water for mentioning public speculation and even proven facts which are damning to political leaders and governments all over the world.
Our searchable internet, as we know it, has been brutally raped. Although it still exists in theory, the necessary / unrestricted search engines are completely unheard of by the vast majority of people.
Any _actual_ data you hear is NOT through Google’s internet; it is through IRC, through p2p, and through darknets.
[quote comment="305860"]This is very true, look at the amount of shows, especially HD rips that are downloaded online. Here in the UK it shows that there is a great demand for more HDTV shows. It’s time this country took its finger out it’s ass and sorted things out![/quote]
people only download HDTV cos they can… theres still not the demand for it on regular TV due to the cost of the service…
Gallus
Incidently, let’s put the movie industry into perspective with a quick look at a random movie; say, Spiderman 2.
Budget: $200 million dollars
Gross: $783 million dollars
So, every body punched the clock that year (sound guys, CG guys, actors, actresses, PR, catering, director, etc.) and got paid:
plus there was over $500 million dollars left over.
How about, oh, Pirates of the Carribean:
Budget: $140 million dollars
Gross: $650 million dollars
Again, every body punches the clock, gets paid, plus there was over $400 million dollars left over.
Let’s try my favorite, The Matrix [a dark horse].
Budget: $63 million dollars
Gross: $460 million dollars
Again, everybody punched the clock, got paid, plus there was over $350 million dollars left over.
Hell, I’ll go for a flop(per) now: Flyboys.
Budget: $60 million dollars
Gross: $13 million dollars (American)
BUT once again, everybody punched the clock and got paid; the INVESTORS lost money.
But did they? Poor men don’t invest $60 million dollars, rich men do; i.e. people who have $60 million dollars and more. They took an educated risk, and lost. All of the creators still got paid, all of the investors now own a movie, and all of the investors still have all of their other investments [diversify, diversify, diversify]; its commonly understood that when you are investing you win some and you lose some.
The point isn’t to win everytime, its to win more than you lose.
My point is, if the movie is produced, then everybody is paid, and there’s really good odds there’s a heap of money left over. THE MOVIE IS ALREADY PAID FOR!
Let me repeat that:
THE MOVIE IS ALREADY PAID FOR!
THE MOVIE IS ALREADY PAID FOR!
THE MOVIE IS ALREADY PAID FOR!
Not only that, but there are very good odds that not only did they all get paid, but once everybody was paid off, THEY KEEP CHARGING YOU THE SAME PRICE. Covering your costs, legit. Making a profit for your creative work (say, 10% profit on a $100,000 film), legit. Making 400% profit on a film? NO! Bad! Stop stealing our money, we already paid you bastards!!!
*chuckle*
Sorry, that was a “Flyboys” profit not in American dollars, but in the country of America; it doesn’t include global box office gross revenue.
And I meant my closer to be more effective; 10% profit on 100,000,000;
because a 10 million dollar profit is, alas, more provocative than a 10 thousand dollar profit.
Cheers
[quote comment="305733"][quote comment="305423"]
How could the fascist he is re-educating have been so blind as to oppress his own daughter and deny her such natural birthrights as free Ja Rule MP3’s?
You comrade,
Putin 08
*Party lessons are subject to change without notice[/quote]
Your satire fails for many reasons, one of which is that the 15 year old in question is MALE.
I’d ask how you could possibly mistake him for being FEMALE after he was explicitly referred to as male, but you are clearly a moron; the question would be redundant.
Another reason it fails(and by extension, you), is that without a grain of truth behind it, satire is completely ruderless.
In summary… You suck.[/quote]
Great observation comrade, but I assure you it is not gender discrimination (you may redeploy the feminist blitzkrieg back to Berkley).
Party elites in the propaganda dept. will have you know that statistics from enlightened countries with state run media, like Iran, Venezuela, etc., suggest females are more effective victims. We are all victims here aren’t we? I suggest you get with the times and liberate yourself from your oppressive meat missile if you haven’t done so already (highly unlikely).
Together we shall facilitate the demise of all entrepreneurial, technological, and artistic capitalist exploitation and, Stalin willing, embrace the glorious utopia people’s achievements such as open source software. Behold 2.01% of you are Linux users and have already freed your desktop from Mikkkrosoft. (http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php)
But I digress, a comrade can dream can’t he? The answer is no. The moral of this story is now completely null and void due to the gender technicality pointed out by our concerned friend, and rightly so. The unruly mobs may disperse, return to your mother’s basements and continue the struggle.
Comrade Anonymous, in our utopia of equality you have proven yourself more equal than others, prepare for an upgrade.
Your comrade,
Putin 08
[quote comment="304689"]to 37. Azlan
[quote comment="304608"]
from the musicains/labels point of view
- bieng in a band is expensive, the gear costs a hell of a lot, as does travel, maintinence, and living out on the road, not to mention the ludicrous prices charged by commercial quality studios, meaning that they simply cant afford to throw away revenue on illigal downloads (well mabye the big 4 can, but smaller labels, independant or otherwise run on far too small a margins for this to be practical)
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first, isnt the gear a onetime investment. imean, ofc if u want to buy 235325325 guitars that costs alot but once u have bought one u got one, travling isnt that expensive, u take a buss etc. living on the road, ok acceptable.
does really illegal downloads fuck that up. you say “meaning that they simply cant afford to throw away revenue on illigal downloads ” its not like any artists have had to cancel their tour because of piracy?Lol. ofc its expensive to get makeup etc. but dont they get paid to do an concert??? dont they get paid for the cd’s that they sell to the people who like their music? if people like it they buy it, if not they probly wouldnt have bought it in the first place, you know.[/quote]
i appreciate what your saying there mate, but the instruments etc… its not just the £600 odd quid for a gituar, its getting two or three of everything in case it blows up, its the having to eat out every meal cos you dont have a cooker etc…
and the side with album sales, a lot of promoters/labels gauge how big a tour an artist can do by record sales, so low sales means smaller tours, which means a band is more likely to jack it in, which means theres one less band out there to write your fave. ever song
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Great observation comrade, but I assure you it is not gender discrimination (you may redeploy the feminist blitzkrieg back to Berkley).
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Of course it isn’t gender discrimination, sweetums. It’s that you’re morosely stupid, and are consequently too cought up in your own feeble shtick to tell the difference between the words “he” and “she”.
Speaking of your feeble schtick, one more reason that it fails is because it operates on the premise that freedom itself is NOT the antithesis of oppression, but is infact just another KIND of oppression.
I give you bonus points for walking straight out of Orwell’s 1984, but I’m afraid I have to immediately take them away due to the unbelievably retarded execution, which culminates in your belief that you’re posing clever, subversive satire.
Also, here’s you:
http://jj.am/gallery/d/239-1/fattyorig.gif
i am still coming here and i like the site. meanwhile, i distest those who advertise a site, sugarmommymeet.com. it is said it caters to rich women seeking handsome men and a lot of sugarbabies join in the site. i suggest you keep away from it.
nice article well delivered
thanks
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Great observation comrade, but I assure you it is not gender discrimination (you may redeploy the feminist blitzkrieg back to Berkley).
(rest of drivel snipped)
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Of course it isn’t gender discrimination, sweetums. It’s that you’re morosely stupid, and are consequently too cought up in your own feeble shtick to tell the difference between the words “he” and “she”.
Speaking of your feeble schtick, one more reason that it fails is because it operates on the premise that freedom itself is NOT the antithesis of oppression, but is infact just another KIND of oppression.
I give you bonus points for walking straight out of Orwell’s 1984, but I’m afraid I have to immediately take them away due to the unbelievably retarded execution, which culminates in your belief that you’re posing clever, subversive satire.
Also, here’s you:
http://jj.am/gallery/d/239-1/fattyorig.gif/quote
wow, that is really inappropriate; for several posts you have spend around 10 words calling the guy an idiot for accidentally using the wrong pronoun at one point in one of his posts, for every 1 single word you use criticizing his actual posts. That is neither respectable nor impressive. Your one and only point that does not revolve around generic threats of stupidity and obesity is as follows:
[quote]one more reason that it fails is because it operates on the premise that freedom itself is NOT the antithesis of oppression, but is infact just another KIND of oppression.[/quote]
Now that is a very intelligent sounding statement; could you go into more detail about why you think his words make that statement, and what that statement means?
[quote comment="306334"][quote comment="306084"]
Great observation comrade, but I assure you it is not gender discrimination (you may redeploy the feminist blitzkrieg back to Berkley).
(rest of drivel snipped)
[/quote]
Of course it isn’t gender discrimination, sweetums. It’s that you’re morosely stupid, and are consequently too cought up in your own feeble shtick to tell the difference between the words “he” and “she”.
Speaking of your feeble schtick, one more reason that it fails is because it operates on the premise that freedom itself is NOT the antithesis of oppression, but is infact just another KIND of oppression.
I give you bonus points for walking straight out of Orwell’s 1984, but I’m afraid I have to immediately take them away due to the unbelievably retarded execution, which culminates in your belief that you’re posing clever, subversive satire.
Also, here’s you:
http://jj.am/gallery/d/239-1/fattyorig.gif/quote
Your attention to detail will take you places in the communist hierarchy. Fear not though Dear Leader, those snippets of text which may incriminate you on the same principle,like misspellings, childish name calling, nonsensical rants and lack of content, will be purged by your loyal storm troopers to maintain your infallibility (officially we never saw your shortcomings).
How many more pronoun-Americans are going to have to suffer at the hands undesirables? Dear leader, this is exactly why your campaign is so noble. I too envision a world where nouns are not restricted by gender, nationality or race but by their party approved filing numbers (which are all equal as well).
Our associates at the ACLU will see to it your will is peacefully imposed (by whatever means necessary) so us freedom fighters can continue our moral crusade of online media liberation.
Masses, please welcome our first ever Gender Defender to the party ranks!
I download shit because I just don’t intend to pay for it so it is either free download or no sale.
I’m happy for you both…
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