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Piracy Will Earn Hurt Locker More Than the Box Office

Hollywood often complains that unauthorized downloads are causing the industry to lose huge sums of money. The makers of The Hurt Locker discovered that this doesn’t always have to be the case. Through an extortion-like scheme, The Hurt Locker is set to make more money from settlements with BitTorrent users than it ever made at the box office.

Two days ago, the makers of The Hurt Locker filed a complaint against the first 5,000 ‘unidentified’ BitTorrent users. Helped by the U.S. Copyright Group (USCG), the film makers are requesting the personal details connected to the IP-addresses that allegedly shared the film on BitTorrent.

With The Hurt Locker’s Oscar for the Best Picture of 2009, the case has received a lot of press interest, but it’s not the first movie for which BitTorrent users were targeted. Earlier this year, the USCG employed the same tactic for lesser known films. For one of these, Call of the Wild, TorrentFreak obtained the settlement papers.

With the document, alleged infringers have the option to settle the case for $2,500 and avoid further legal action. Because the case is similar to that of The Hurt Locker, we assume that a similar settlement amount will be proposed. This allows us to calculate how much money is involved in this case, and the results are quite interesting.

Thomas Dunlap, a lawyer at the USCG, earlier said that in the Hurt Locker case they could pursue tens of thousands of users. Let’s be careful with our estimate and assume that some 20,000 BitTorrent users will eventually receive a settlement letter in the mail. Of these, half will choose to pay the $2,500 without complaining, a number that seems to be fair based on the results of similar schemes.

If the above scenario becomes reality, The Hurt Locker would make $25 million in settlements alone in the coming months. This number could of course go much higher, as thousands of people are still downloading the movie every day.

With this $25 million the film makers would have collected more money from BitTorrent users than they did from U.S. movie theater visitors. Despite the recognition from Academy members and the huge success among downloaders, the U.S box office revenue has been relatively low at $16.4 million.

The settlement money is not net profit for the makers of Hurt Locker though, as they have to give up 70% of it to the USCG. Still, if they want to earn more they can simply continue to track down BitTorrent users and send out a couple of thousand extra settlement offers. Easy money.

This whole scheme is in no way intended to protect the copyrights of the Hurt Locker producers. USCG don’t want to go to court at all, they want to see money, as much as possible without too much trouble. Lengthy and costly court cases would only get in the way of this goal and could even bust the whole scheme if they lose. The ultimate goal is to ‘monetize’ piracy, this is also how the USCG pitched their scheme to rights holders.

A good example of this ‘money orientation’ is the letter that downloaders of the film Far Cry received from the USCG. Here, the alleged downloaders were offered an initial settlement amount of ‘just’ $1,500, but this would go up to $2,500 if they wouldn’t pay up within three weeks. A classic persuasion tactic, which was followed by a threat that going to court could lead to a fine up to 150,000.

Yes, it’s all about extracting as much cash as possible. We have to say, if they can beat the Box Office revenues of an Oscar winning movie with these threats, they sure delivered as promised.

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  • Proto

    So, ignoring the settlement letter means they won’t bother pursuing your ass and you can therefore put a much more reasonable figure of 1% on the number of people who will actually cough up (news travels fast on the internet).

  • David

    That’s so gay..

  • The-Burn-Locker

    If you downloaded this publicly you got burned!

  • duane

    My advice:

    - Don’t give them a cent.

    - Deny all accusations, regardless of whether you downloaded this piece of garbage or not — they can’t prove anything.

    - Get a VPN *NOW* FFS.

    - Write letters to every consumer rights organisation you can think of.

    - Talk to your lawyers.

    - Set up a class action lawsuit.

  • John

    If piracy gives filesharers a bad name – what do lawyers give the music industry?

  • Maroan

    I had planned to buy the DVD, but now they can say goodbye to my money. Further more i will strongly discourage any of my relatives and friends to buy it. Voltage movies, you have so f****d yourself up…

  • Bob

    A movie that makes more from lawsuits then at the box-office? If this turns out to be true, then it’s fair to wonder were all the “leaked” screeners always come from. It would be rather convenient for the studio’s… wouldn’t it?

    Just a theory.

  • Proto

    Haha, interesting theory Bob.

  • Logic

    This is why the cartels won’t compete with piracy, lawsuits are far more lucrative (much more than genuine sales would have ever got them).

    I’ll bet the media company secretly doesn’t want anything to change at the moment because either “fixing it” or “letting go” will result in a loss of this revenue stream

  • Logic

    @ #5 lol! – lawyers give the music industry a quick and easy revenue stream that doesn’t require mass production of CDs

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  • Dan

    You can get a $150,000 fine for downloading one film?
    Well that’s not a lot of money, most people have that lying around the house.

    Seriously if you get a letter from these c**ts, just ignore it :D

  • Cordelia

    So sad because it’s just the n00bs and people who can not afford to hide their IP that get caught.

    And people who are stupid enough to admit anything.

    My building has several open Wireless networks… We could all have a piracy feast here.. nobody would be able to prove anything..

    It’s all totally ridiculous.

    I am hating Hollywood more every day.

    Was at the London premiere of Sex and the City 2 and they actually checked the visitors for CamCorders! Pathetic!

    The film wasn’t worth a penny it was a terrible film but work had invited me (an offer I could not refuse).

    I wouldn’t care in the least if all big film houses went bust. Would give us all reason to start watching indie films or have publically financed filming projects like most of the good European films from the past.

  • http://torrentfreak.com Ernesto

    @proto

    The well informed people might be smart enough to not simply hand over their cash, but there are still a lot of people who don’t read any Internet related news, and have no clue…

    Others are simply easily scared by the 150k threats and don’t want to take the risk (that’s not there).

    We’ve been following these schemes for more than three years now and you’d be surprised to find out how many people are settling.

  • StopTheMadness

    Hollywood obviously wants to get money the old fashioned way – by extortion.

    Who’s the criminals now, Hollywood? Here’s a hint: Look in a mirror.

  • Proto

    @Ernesto That scares me to the very core.

  • akarave

    I just wonder how long it will take until such email wont get trough spam filter.

  • Anonymous

    Voltage movies has just shot itself in the head! they have no clue of the shit storm that’s coming for them…

  • bender

    Voltage movies has just shot itself in the head! they have no clue of the shit storm that’s coming for them…

  • anonymous

    wont be long before there will be no movie released to the cinema at all. when the studios etc can get money so easily, why waste any by puting it in the theatre in the first place? funny how they can get away with extortion but people can’t, isn’t it? strange how the law seems to operate to their advantage all the time, regardless of whether a person has committed any offence or not. the simple accusation is enough for them. makes me wonder what the view of the court would be if the industries, studios and the lawyers involved were accused of trying to obtain monies under false pretences? never seen any settlement figures for those that have been accused but could prove their innocence. apologies dont pay the lawyers’ bills.

  • Erik

    This movie was garbage anyway, how the fuck did this won so many awards i have no idea.

  • david

    Jeez, I would just pay up. If you stole the movie, then it is a crime and you should pay. People don’t realize how long the statute of limitations is on this. If you downloaded the movie and don’t settle, you could get sued 3 years down the road. I didn’t download this movie (many others), but I would pay up immediately to avoid this on my record! My two cents

  • duhduh

    hey #18, it’s not stealing, and Copyright Infringement is not a crime. It is a civil offense. Learn before you type on the internets. kthxbai.

  • Who Cares

    The movie sucks, no wonder why they want to get money from lawsuits.

  • meh…

    damn i actually liked this movie. shame i have no respect for it now. hope some of the other people who had a part in its creation speak out against this.

  • Jay

    Meanwhile, the director’s ex-husband’s movie made some $2.5 BILLION.

    How ’bout you make a movie that people want to watch?

  • BigO

    Got to start chopping the head of the snake off .

  • Anonymous

    ya #18

    its not stealing please pass the word to your buddies i don’t want to hear of you saying that again.

    thanks management

  • Cujo

    I read this half way and was overwelmed to comment lol

    don’t anyone send those FXXXXRS 2 and 1/2 thousand bucks lol

    tell them ta kiss your axs lol

  • joesmith

    BASTARDS!

    Why can’t someone put a bomb on MPAA’s HQ and end their misery??

  • LOL

    LOL. I want to see it happen. I live in Europe so it will be extra fun, when every place here is trying to censor the internet, we have found a collosal way to laugh about it and keep access to every site we want. Poor America, a dying whore in every fucking aspect. Hurt locker? A shit of a movie made by the ex whore of equally mediocre James Cameron!, i just laugh about people downloading this crap and then being sued for it. It´s like being accused of rape for just smelling the dirty panties of your grandma. LOL.

  • Anonymous

    @18 David

    Thomas Dunlap, is that you?

  • Anonymous

    @31 joesmith

    As bastardly as they are, the MPAA had nothing to do with this.

  • Rob

    Gotta love the whole “piracy is not theft, you’re not taking anything away by making a copy” line of reasoning…

    So, by your logic, if I come over and screw your girlfriend while you’re too busy illegally downloading stuff that took time, effort, expertise and money to make & distribute, it’s perfectly fine because I’m not denying you the right to have my sloppy seconds when you finish up on the computer? Cool, tell her I’m on my way…

  • gorehound

    I would not pa them a cent.
    and i am not buying any new dvd from hollywood at all.i am sick of all the stuff mpaa & hollywood are trying to pull.
    i know this is just one studio doing something lame the others are doing lame things too.

  • stu

    So if I were to get a letter, you’re saying I SHOULDN’T pay? Wouldn’t they just take me to court?

  • Anonymous

    I think all the extortion profits will be lost when they have to defend themselves agaisnt the coming landslide of lawsuits.

  • Anonymous

    @31 It’s impossible to sue an ip address.

  • michael

    along with the 20% of 5000 people who wont pay too? haha 1000 courtcases at once LOL? and mroe letters going out?

  • StopTheMadness

    @29,

    The studio still has the master.
    If I went into the studio’s vault and vanished with the master, then they can make no more DVDs or film cuts – then it would be theft. But that’s not happening, is it?

    Another thing you cartel shills always miss: Filesharing costs the sharers money. We have to buy the computer equipment, the internet connection, and in many cases the software. And the origional uploader, in the case of rips, has to buy the CDs and/or DVDs. Sharing is not only nonprofit, but at a loss as well. Never thought of that, didya?

    In light of that, your arguement fails. Thanks for playing.

    Now those guys that burn the content to CD/DVD and sell it on the streetcorner, those are the ones the cartels should be worried about. They’re profiting, hello.

  • Anonymous

    AH HAHAHA ENJOY YOUR CAPITALISM

  • Anonymous

    We should help the makers of The Hurt Locker. If they are sending their letters to 5,000 people. We should send those same letters to another 20,000 random bitTorrent users. That should raise enough hell with whatever law firm assisting them with this new venture. They would have to fend of thousands of false accusations letters and that would cost time and money. neither are things lawyers take for granted.

  • The Seeker of Tooth

    By asking for a settlement of $1500, they are admitting what they believe the true damages are when a file sharer downloads something. I wonder if it would be possible to use this against them in court, when they’re asking for an insane six to seven digit amount that has no basis in reality.

    I also wonder if we might see stuff leaked by the studios themselves should this prove to be extremely lucrative. The biggest obstacle I see is greed. After all, Hurt Locker is just one movie. What happens to the court system should the film industry decide to sue people for every movie title out there? What happens when other industries get in on the act? Hopefully this will blow up in all of their faces down he road.

  • Rob

    @35 So, it’s worth it to you to pay the technology “cartels” for your computer (probably manufactured by borderline slave labor in China), broadband etc., but the people who actually devote their lives to creating art & supporting artists are too evil to pay?

    Piracy is theft. If you don’t want to pay to access material that was developed & distributed with other peoples’ time, effort, money and expertise, then don’t watch it at all. You are depriving people of income in the same way as if you sneaked into the movie theater without buying a ticket.

    PS – I’d rather be a shill than an entitled, self-serving & self-righteous jackass any day of the week, screwing with peoples’ art & livelihoods then scrambling to find justifications for selfish behavior.

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  • NoWay

    Must be a good movie. Gonna download it right away.

  • StopTheMadness

    “So, it’s worth it to you to pay the technology “cartels” for your computer (probably manufactured by borderline slave labor in China), broadband etc., but the people who actually devote their lives to creating art & supporting artists are too evil to pay?”

    Interesting that you’de mention stuff made in China. I built this machine myself, from off the shelf components, some of that recycled. It irks me no end that everything is made in China. Try to find something -not- made in China. Seriously, good damn luck with that! :(
    I support musicians and filmmakers I like, when I can toss them a bone directly. I totally mean directly, as in without all the f’ing middlemen in the way. That’s hard to do, the middlemen keep getting in the way. And now that the middlemen have completely lost their minds, resulting in really low grade art, I’m not so sure it’s worth the trouble anymore. The middlemen would still rape the artists blind.

    “Piracy is theft. If you don’t want to pay to access material that was developed & distributed with other peoples’ time, effort, money and expertise, then don’t watch it at all. You are depriving people of income in the same way as if you sneaked into the movie theater without buying a ticket.”

    Now, since when did streams of 1′s and 0′s become more valuable than gold? I must’ve missed a memo somewhere.
    Did I say I fileshare? No, I did not. Go ahead and assume I do, though. Nice strawman. I take the side of the so-called ‘pirates’ as a form of nonviolent protest. I’m very much aware of the issures and the tech involved. Power corrupts…and so does money. This has become increasingly obvious.
    All this patent and copyright lawsuit warring is making a wreck of a legal system that once worked. It’s letting real criminals like murdurers, rapists and kid molestors walk uncontested. I call bullshit on that insanity. Rediculous!

    Go back and re-read the article. The cat’s out of the bag, profiting by extortion is what they’re really about.

  • FU 39

    The past years have brought about unprecedented revenue streams for the film industry. G F URSELF

  • tightasa

    Si let me get this right……If I send out 5000 random letters to,addresses (from the telephone directory,)demanding that people pay me a fee or be taken to court.If I get caught,I will be charged with false pretenses,making threats,causing a public mischief,obtaining money by deception, and probably any one of a dozen more charges.(And this is whether or not I am successful.)BUT IF I HAVE A LAW FIRM LETTERHEAD ….THAT`S OK????????????

  • wipped

    I didn’t download this nor will I ever buy anything associated with this company. We stpped going to movies when the price became unreasonable. And as far as your overpriced Blue-Ray, Shame on you people for charging so much! All the big companies care about is PROFIT, just look at BP for example. Shame on Your Corperation and spies! Rot in Hell!!!

  • Taylor

    @39
    I hope you do realize that computer components are not made by slave labour. Unless you classify robots as slaves. Pirates are also very concerned with an Artists carrier. In fact they are more likely to buy concert tickets and other merchandise than people who don’t pirate music. They want to the artist to continue to produce art.

    Plus theft is the taking of an object. Technically when you take media (pirate) you are not taking a physical copy of it, you are copying it, you don’t even use their materials unless they own the power grid and the parts manufacturers. Another thing, do you pay royalty to the guy who invented how to make bread? My guess is that you don’t someone pirated his recipe and now they can make the same bread. Holy shit they are immoral aren’t they. Go watch the piracy episode of South Park, it actually has useful information that might skew you one sided ways.

    Also why make an argument from your moral pedestal? Your in a conversation with piracy supporters. Please just leave. Theft is not the same as piracy. You know what also causes a loss in revenue? Kids stealing the media from a video store a physical object. Go take your dinosaur for a walk, it might get to meat the business models that you blindly believe in.

  • Editor

    I read a lot of comments here that were actually dumb enough to believe them right away and pay them.

    Think about it,they say if you dont pay you will end up in a court,imagine what they have to go through:

    -More than 4800 cases,because lets face it pirates are pirates for a reason,no one will pay up.
    -Your ISP that will lose people because they will give them private information,and if you think about it,they still cant get through ISPs for that reason.
    -Some courts will be reasonable enough to see this nonsence and drop the case,in case this happens two kinds of people will exist “those who paied” and “those who didnt” causing confusion and it will enrage people.
    -Right now its known only in internet whats going on,if it becomes public (news) they will lose lots of fans and believe me thats not what they want.

    A possible way to let everyone to be aware of this is via posting this article in social networks like twitter/facebook.

    Its sad to see people without self-respect and pride.

  • Editor

    Something that i forgot,these companies pay millions to make these movies,and you pay them billions,they have much more than they need.

    Maybe this company sues because their boss didnt have enough money for money jakuzi.

  • ReactorFeed

    Isn’t that essentially what spammers do? Send it to as any as possible and if even just a few react to it, they won? And are there not spam laws in pretty much any country where it might be worth while to try something like this? Just thinking out loud here :)

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes because students would have this money laying around in change in the couch cushions. Fucking idiots no one would be able to pay it and what are you going to do to students sue us? for what we got nothing you tards, and i would sooner burn my money then give it to u guys, if i even had it.

  • dUMb + dUMbaR

    for the lol’s,

  • kiwishare

    @39
    if i pirate it or don’t watch it at all the result is the same as far as you are concerned.However if i pirate it and i like it then i BUY IT!!YA FUCKWIT!!!.In which case the movie studio makes it’s money!!

    The shills talk down to us like we are the criminals when completely the opposite is true!

    I own 500 dvds and a 70 inch hdtv to watch them all but since these POLESMOKERS want a fight they can have one.I haven’t bought any new dvds in 18 months only second hand blurays and i won’t be buying a 3d tv off you fuckers either!!

    SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!

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  • jack

    Don’t pay and nothing hapens. I have got many times letter pay or else. I never paid and nothing hapens.

  • hulie

    So this seems to be movie studios new fall guy. When your crap movies make very little money at the cinemas and dvd/blu-ray sales they decide to go after people who downloaded the film from some p2p. I recently seen a movie in a friends house which i discovered after about ten minutes was a downloaded copy as a message warning presumably an employee of the studio not to share this media, makes me wonder if the studios are releasing these movies, that fail at the box office, onto p2p sites so they can later sue the people that download them.

    Might be worth looking into for anyone who may get sued, get them to prove that they didn’t put the movie out there in the first place.

  • hulie

    Just another point on movie copyright laws, if as a consumer i want to buy anything like a car for instance i go to a dealership and i get to test drive the product and you know what your getting.

    Why then should i not get to see a movie before i pay? the main reason for this is because if the studios were to be paid on that basis they would lose out on maybe 30% of their profits as most people would refuse to pay after seeing the hurt locker for instance

  • Poopie

    @5

    Lots of money

  • Editor

    @48 Is right,i didnt thought it this way,it is obviously what spammers do.
    Fishing.

  • gem

    if you take that which is not yours without paying for it and then share it around the internet with no authorisation to do so from the creator, you run the risk of getting caught.

    simple solution to not getting sued dont steal and pay for your media like you would for other goods.

    I would have a lot more respect for people here if they just said they swipe stuff because they can instead of making all these long-winded excuses and justifications and hate against the labels to make themselves feel morally right about stealing on the internet.

  • MAFIAA

    “SCG don’t want to go to court at all, they want to see money, as much as possible without too much trouble.”

    Pirates would never want that.

  • NoOneInSpecial

    Those greedy bastards.
    And it’s not even a decent movie…

  • Greg

    Didn’t even bother to download this shit movie, after seeing the cover I realised it was just plain shit…

  • Jeff

    Hollywood’s plan of action for new releases:

    1. Make a movie so bad it sucks royally.

    2. Hope the cost of prodcuing it breaks even through box office, PPV and DVD/BluRay sales.

    3. When it doesn’t, blame it on piracy.

    4. Hire an investigation company to track IP addresses of “pirates” who are downloading the movie through BitTorrent. Get at least 30%, possibly6 more of those wrong.

    5. Hire a shyster legal firm to sue the pants off of anyone identified as downloading the movie. Keep 70% of all proceeds.

    6. Profit!!!

  • Mayank

    Hurt Locker is a SHIT movie. damn, i kept waiting n waitin for some action to happen ( wt does BOMB disposal squad with background in a WAR torn country imply ??? )and shit nothin ever happened !!! Wel, back here in INDIA, lol, NEGATIVE 1000% chance that LAW will bother us for this shit… haha .. luxury of staying in developing countries … haha …

  • Guest

    That is another Blu-Ray disc I am not going to buy.

  • Beaverfluff

    Well that is just tough cookies

  • Jon Riggall

    The Hurt Locker is terrible.

  • Mental Discount

    I was thinking to buy DVD, but now I will keep my money for pr0n. :P The Hurt Locker. Ha ha. Pfff… . I didn’t see this film and I don’t care. Congrats with Oscar.

  • wish I hadnt bought it

    I downloaded the movie and liked it
    later n I rented it still liked it
    few weeks ago I bought a copy a for $4.99 in a zellers bargain bin.

    today I thew it in the trash . ill log into my vpn service and redownload and seed it for a week or two

  • pZ

    p2p, piracy2profit, i *love* Davenport Lyons -scheme

  • avatar

    What the hell. I watch a movie in the theatre, pay the rediculous price, why the hell cant i download it afterwards? cost more to see it in the theatre than buying the dvd at wallmart. industry is fukt.

  • astroboi

    Actually, it isn’t ok to try to extort money with this kind of con just because you have a letterhead. Look up “barratry”. Its such an obscure term the spelling checker flags it. But it is the crime of filing lawsuits just to scare people into paying and these guys seem to be guilty of it. Why would there be such a law? Consider: Voltage, Uwe Boll and such make out well with their plan. Con men everywhere see an opportunity. Suddenly every fly-by-night out-of-work law firm sees the light. Anyone who has ever made a movie, played a tune, written a book, drawn a picture or created a quilting pattern is encouraged to sue. It can become bigger than Enzite! Eventually spammers send millions of demands for non-existent downloads with payments sent to the Caribbean. The lawsuit rights to a movie will be traded like credit card debt and repackaged as bonds. And if Time Warner thought responding to 5000 subpoenas was tough, wait until they get an order for 50 million!

    Thats why there is a law against barratry. How bad must it get before the first prosecution occurs? Or will the CDS bubble for “piracy bonds” need to pop first.

  • Film Maker

    I think most of the attempts at justifying P2P downloading are so dumb they are funny. I wonder if people who download these movies also feel entitled to just walk into a cinema and not buy a ticket. Oh that’s right, because they are afraid they would get caught and arrested. But torrent users get to hide behind anonymity, which makes them brave.

  • yooooow!

    by stu
    So if I were to get a letter, you’re saying I SHOULDN’T pay? Wouldn’t they just take me to court?

    if it bothers you that much get disconected and go with another provider mate problem solved

  • Barry Norman

    So, the makers of ‘The Hurt Locker’ are admitting that their film is of a similar standard to ‘Far Cry’: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400426/

    Very honest of you, chaps!

  • Anonymous

    It’s a phishing scheme.

  • StopTheMadness

    I think ppl trolling this site from a holier-than-thou high horse, while showing a debilitating lack of clue as they tow the cartel party line, is both dull and amusing at the same time.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone can be so clueless, yet know where to go to spew that trash. They must be astroturfers.
    Alright trolls, come clean. How much are the cartel lawyers paying you to propogate this nonsense?

  • stu

    Just wondering, does anyone know when the infringement stated in the lawsuits occurred? Are they targeting people who dl’d before the oscars or after, when it was released on Blu Ray and DVD?

  • Recton Kracke

    StopTheMadness I don’t know wether they are getting paid or if they just have some other vested interest with big content. maybe mum works for Sony etc.

    Some of it does look like some kind of ‘soft marketing’ scheme. The mission seems to be to insert the words; theft, stealing, buy, pay and illegal into every thread. They also like to have the last post on a lot of threads here.

    The internet is and will continue to be a vast lending library of digital content. The zeros and ones are out of the bag and they wont go back in.

  • yooooow!

    70 May 31 by Film Maker if you were a film maker what are you wasting time writing on here for you weirdo your probebly another porno perv movie maker so take your comment and blow it bi-ch

  • Milo Scagnetti

    The writer is on crack. Does he HONESTLY estimate that half of the people will cough up $2500.00?????

    If I got that letter in the mail, I would rip it up and tell them to go F themselves. I would be surprised if even 0.00001 percent of the people pay the $2500.00

    Give me a break.

  • lmfao

    rofl

  • Trelew

    In the US, The Land of Litigation, people will sue over the most inane thing. Most Americans really don’t know what their legal rights are, can’t afford a lawyer to protect them properly in the courts; so are so mortally afraid of ANY legal action that they will pay anything out of fear.

    Big Business knows this and capitalizes on that ignorance and fear. Corporate pursuit of profit and power has made this a sad world to live in.

  • chris

    piracy is stealing. Movies cost money. They employ people who have families, lives, mortgages to pay, food to buy. If you keep on watching movies for free, how are these people going to make a living? The same people who pay 50 dollars for a videogame because they can’t burn it/download it justify stealing movies and music because they can. Imagine you work in a restaurant, how long is it going to stay open if everyone eats for free? How many movies are going to get made/how many producers-directors-actors are going to take risk to create new stories and content if that content is stolen?

  • h33t

    i was as surprised Hurt Locker got Best Film

    i was horrified Sandra Bullock got Best Actress

    Follywood sucks and the sooner they are gone the better, we do not need their content

    http://www.h33t.com thought Survivor Heroes vs Villians was great, now watching The Wire from ep1

  • whipped

    I just wanted to thank all the people who are bringing more media attention to the Pro-pirate cause. With your help you have made the Pirate Bay and other sites better. Thank you to all the people who share and make the world a better place!

    You(Corporation)are not helping your own cause, just drawing more attention and inspiring more people to download. You know, if you just left things alone and let people sample before they buy, I’m sure sales would get better. You are just turning people off to the studios the movie companies. I read the newspapers and I hear of record profits. I really don;t think you are hurting as bad as you would like everyone to beleive. Why don’t you people just get on with your job of putting out good quality entertainment and leave the people alone!
    What it really comes to is GREED and I don’t really feel sorry for your cause.
    Just give it up, people are getting fed up and alot of energy is being wasted.

    Trolls should also get a life!

    Lawyers, go get the real bad guys!

  • StopTheMadness

    “piracy is stealing. Movies cost money. They employ people who have families, lives, mortgages to pay, food to buy. If you keep on watching movies for free, how are these people going to make a living? The same people who pay 50 dollars for a videogame because they can’t burn it/download it justify stealing movies and music because they can. Imagine you work in a restaurant, how long is it going to stay open if everyone eats for free? How many movies are going to get made/how many producers-directors-actors are going to take risk to create new stories and content if that content is stolen?”

    Blah blah blah. You’re making yourself look like a tool.

    Let’s get something straight, ok?
    The bootleg is often lower quality than the origional. With the bootleg, I miss out on special features, 5.1 channel sound, and all that cool stuff.
    I also miss out on the commercials and crap that can’t be opted out of. I also miss out on the crazy DRM scheme that keeps the origional from playing in my old but still working DVD player. You’de say to just buy a new DVD player, and I’de tell you to buy me a new DVD player if it’s so important to tolerate that DRM crap.
    So yah, if the origional is a ripoff from the start, then I’de settle for the lower quality but -usable- bootleg.
    Please, just give it up. Your logic has more holes than a wheel of Swiss cheese that’s been used by Duke Nukem for target practice.

  • peacekkqmark

    @29

    By your logic, a girlfriend is an object one can legally own. Somebody needs to revise the psychopathy checklist with their psychiatrist.

  • Ninja

    Well, shitty movies need to get their cash using such schemes.

    It’s clear to me now that if the movie/album/game is an internet frenzy and the revenues don’t follow the same pattern then file sharing has done its job: letting people try the thing and save money not paying for it if it’s trash.

    This movie is on my “never watch” list, specially after they started using this scheme.

  • RadialSkid

    @87:

    “piracy is stealing.”

    Incorrect. Stealing involved deprivation of ownership.

    Remember, copyright infringement is a civil matter, stealing a crime. There’s a difference.

    “Movies cost money. They employ people who have families, lives, mortgages to pay, food to buy. If you keep on watching movies for free, how are these people going to make a living?”

    How would they make a living if we didn’t watch their movies at all? You’re apparently implying that we’re OBLIGATED to pay for entertainment, whether or not we even want to see it, because filmmakers somehow HAVE to make money.

    And you accuse downloaders of having a sense of entitlement…pathetic.

    “Imagine you work in a restaurant, how long is it going to stay open if everyone eats for free?”

    If everyone copied and shared the food they ate, I would imagine the restaurant would stay open for quite some time.

    “How many movies are going to get made/how many producers-directors-actors are going to take risk to create new stories and content if that content is stolen?”

    Gee, is that a promise? Considering Hollywood has resorted to remaking every film that’s 20 years old, I’d say every idea that can be explored in films has been by this point. Maybe we have enough movies.

    See, if you can set up a straw man, so can I. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

  • yee ha

    90 by peacekkqmark this is true what you say but look at it this way for years i was told that sharing is good now as an adult wer told its stealing or piracy what alot of sh-t if i have a good cd and it was really good i have no probs wanting to share it with my mates and thats wrong .dont think so its just another way for the goverments to try control what you can and cant do if they had their way wed al go to church not smoke drink and do what ever wer told what ever has happend to our freedom also 90 you cant come on here pushing that sh-t comment you trying to say youv never downloaded or loaded a cd or dvd your an idiot and a lier if you say you havent so

  • Anonymous

    Im gonna go buy Cocoon instead

  • gutshot

    The way people make money with a movie is to make a good movie. and even if they dont, they could still make more than $2,000,000,000. It is obvious that pirates do not hurt the movie industry.

    I am an artist, i was taught to create art for money, not for my heart. if my art made billions of dollars i would not give a crap about people seeing it for free. its almost like charity, making peoples lives a little nicer for free.

    I want to see people bust in on someone who borrowed a dvd from a friend and scream “if you dont feel like paying for that dont watch it at all!!!!”

  • orctin

    It’s interesting to think how far you could argue this in court. So how bout sues every one who records TV shows or tivo’s them (they are copyrighted). Just because here is now IP involved doesn’t mean it isn’t done. Only when it is use to make money does it become a sue-able issue (ie. all the bars that pay to broadcast PPV events but not broadcast sport events)

    A lawyer would have a field day making this into a mockery. Would love to see some debate teams try and argue this one and see who wins

  • Because You Can’t Torrent Beer

    @33 Rob

    Get your virgin ass out, son. Is that the best comparison your feeble mind could produce? What a clown.

  • Anonymous

    This has gotten way out of hand. I’m going to put in my two sense. Okay.. Where is the level of responsibility taken by the people who dl’d it? They know its wrong! No maTter what you say or how you put it it is still breaking the law! And yeah do people break the law? Of course.. Its easy to get away with petty crimes But when you do you have to understand the repercussions of your actions if you were to be held accountable. Blind ambition people, think things through before you do them! And that’s the whole thing with bittorrent today. It has made our entire society think that its easy and okay to break laws! We as a world need to just stop for a second and look at ourselves and what we’ve become. Its time!

  • Anonymous

    @gutshot. You don’t deserve to call yourself an artist

  • Sfpirater

    So I downloaded this shit movie and watched 10 minutes before deleting. Anyway if you get a notice from them, deny everything, and if your wireless router has no password, then there is no way to know who downloaded it. Then play dumb and say you didn’t know how to set one up

  • Sfpirater

    Also, I hate the darn theaters, I like watching a movie at home, and should be able to have the right. If I want to see it and can easily buy it, fine I’ll pay. But if I want to see it and don’t like theaters with people talking ect… Guess I’m screwed…

  • You’re missing the point

    I am so sick and tired of reading posts from people who feel like downloaders are to stupid to understand what we are doing and that we are the ones bring down the film industry because workers are not getting paid because we refuse to pay for films.

    What gets me mad is that people honestly think that we are stupid and not aware of what we are doing. Well lets get this straight, we know what we are doing when we download a film/music/game and we are proud to do it.
    What you don’t seem to realize is that the money you think that we are stealing from the film industry was never your to have in the first place. If I never downloaded any films, more likely than not, I would never have gone to see those films in the first place. I would never have paid to go see ‘The Hurt Locker’ so the film makers should never even consider counting MY MONEY as part of there losses.

    What some people also don’t seem to understand is that the reason that some films fail in the box office is because there shit.
    If ‘The Blind Side’ can make $220 Million at the box office (and that was domestically and not worldwide) then shouldn’t ‘The Hurt Locker’ be looking more in the mirror than at the downloaders? Just because a group of old people decided to give it an Oscar, doesn’t make it a good film.

    I downloaded both films and I can say that I would be more than happy to pay for a DVD of ‘The Blind Side’ because I thought it was good.

    Someone seems to think that we are taking money directly from family who need to support themselves and from hardworking people on film set. If you are one of those people then again, you are a FOOL. Do not act like people who work on a film like ‘the hurt locker’ only get paid after the film is a success at the box office, oh please. These people get paid regardless and if they think that their not getting enough then maybe they should look to the big heads for more.

    Some people would like you to think that we are making everyone poor by downloading but what you seem to forget is that we’re not talking about film companies making money just to survive (Like most of us), we’re talking about millions upon millions in profit. You think I’m going to cry over not making a rich person even richer?

    If you look at the kind of money films have been making, they are not loosing as much as they you have you believe. Avatar has made over a billion dollars and you want us to believe that the film industry is in trouble? DO NOT TAKE US FOR FOOLS.

    I think the most important thing to note is that most people can not afford to go to the movies every week, I can’t and I work, so the money these companies think that they’re not getting because we download, they would never get in the first place. People would go without. I know I would.

  • George

    This is a worrying trend, Film Studios suing the audience that patronizes them.

  • MrGz0r

    dam right @You’re missing the point
    i couldn’t say it better my self.

  • ???

    why didn’t the studios rerelease the hurt locker after the oscar win? many would of paid to see it on the big screen second time around but instead they sue the consumer i don’t get it……

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  • uzwiow

    I am glad I did not watch the movie. This whole thing just makes me sick.

  • Marley

    Please take a moment to leave Hurt Locker (and any other Voltage films that come to mind) the courtesy of a 1-star review on Amazon. 101 so far!

  • Whoa Jack!

    Maybe I’m just cheap or whatever the case may be but in my town (Newark Delaware) it’s nearly 13 bucks to catch a film if you go primetime, then trow in an extra $3.50 for 3D. Perhaps I’m crazy but the way I see it hell if you can get it for free and watch it in the comforts of your own home then do it to it! Like so many others have stated the actors, producers, directors will all get paid regardless of how well a movie does at the box office, flop or not. Here’s a thought if the powers that be actually lowered the price of going to the movies then perhaps more people would go more often and it wouldn’t cost a family of 4 an arm and a leg just to have family night out!!

  • Heist

    Suppose you receive one of these notices in error. Now what? For $1,500 you can make it go away, or you can roll the dice and risk months of legal battles and expense to prove the USCG and your ISP got it wrong.

    If you are a college kid with no assets to lose, it is easy to say “Fight the power! They’ll never win! Probably won’t even sue you!” But people with families to support don’t have that luxury. Legal matters are often unpredictable and always expensive. It is naive to assume a handful of token lawsuits won’t be filed against those who refuse to settle, if only to act as a warning to others.

    It is a sad system we have. $1,500 is about 5 hours worth of fees for a decent IP attorney. Simply ignoring it could result in a default judgment against you. And contrary to popular opinion, the winner normally doesn’t get reimbursed for his legal fees. Unless you are a lawyer, there’s really no easy or cheap way to defend yourself against spamigation.

  • Anon

    Makes you wonder if this will cause some unlucky person to snap and decide to spend the money on flight lessons and a box cutter.

  • Mike

    To the people saying that they’d just pay up to settle this and have it off their record: What happens next time? I doubt anyone only just DL’d Hurt Locker and nothing else. What if you start getting more of these letters? Are you just going to keep paying up?

  • lol

    all i can say is…
    “Piracy Will Earn Hurt Locker More Than the Box Office” as the title suggests.

    Theres a motive for the big corpoations “leaking” or uploading their movie to torrent sites.

    Nobody cares about todays crappy films. We aint gunna pay for something which is a load of bullshit right?

    Of course if you knew your movie was an epic fail, you would upload it and leak it online, 1st comes extreme advertising, 2nd comes fines, 3rd comes profit.

    We all remember the x-men incident don’t we.

    loada crap if you ask me..

  • Donnie

    OK. I’m gonna be real short here. This whole thing is a joke. Lets say I get “the letter”. Here is what happens.

    I read it.
    I burn it.
    I get another letter.
    I read it.
    I burn it.
    I get a subpoena for a court hearing.
    I ignore it.
    I go to jail.

    I’m not gonna lie. I’m financially set so I’m not even worried about jail time. If Uncle Sam wants to throw me in jail for this, then I’ll laugh at his face and feel bad for everyone else working their asses off so I can sit in jail and eat some free meals…

    Long story short… It’s called a scare tactic people. Nobody will ever go to jail for this, and nobody will ever pay $150,000 for this.

    Take me to jail please.

  • Jon

    This movie was crap. It looked like it had such a small budget, no wonder it didn’t make any money.

    SCREW YOU HURT LOCKER AND ANYONE THAT IS INVOLVED IN THIS!!

    I’m glad I didn’t download your shit ass movie but I might now and seed like crazy just to spite you. IP is blocked bitches!!

  • Jimmy Dean

    Oh shit! This give me an idea (not the most original since it was already mentioned).

    I could, theoretically, make a movie that cost $20,000. Then “accidently leak” it online by an anonymous pirate. After a while, I’ll just suit everyone on Torrent, Limewire, etc.

    It’s the new scam of the 2010.

  • Opster

    The people got sued should file a class action suit. This is pure extortion. $2500 for $10 movie?! Instead of getting in touch with BitTorrent tracker sites and getting the material removed (and sue tracker admins if they don’t remove) so it won’t be pirated, and maybe even track down initial leaker, they just threat downloaders. Good scam for a bad movie. It will be even better when the people sue back.
    By the way, a notion of “personal use” integrating into more laws would be a nice idea, as done in many countries.

  • Proud Pirate

    When will the studios learn that they have to adapt their business model.

    They see thousands that want to download a movie to watch at home. Do they think ‘I know, why don’t we make a website with our movies on and allow people to stream them in good quality or download them in a format that they want?’ for a low price people would use this to be assured good quality and good speeds. And thousands that don’t understand how to pirate would use it, people that don’t now watch movies until they are on TV would become a revenue stream.

    But the studios say ‘No! do it the way we want, not your way’ until they do it our way they will continue to lose.

    Adapt you f***ers or you will never be in charge.

  • StopTheMadness

    Right on, @118.

    When recordable tape arrived, they fought it like mad and tried to kill it, then later adapted and embraced it.

    When VCR arrived, again they resisted, then eventually adapted.

    DAT, satelite TV, recordable CDs and DVDs, and on and on, same pattern.

    What a strange bunch of luddites!
    Really, if they’re that afraid of technology, then they should quit the industry and become Amish or something.
    I for one won’t miss them.

  • something to ponder

    It is really something how those who download a movie for personal use gets harrassed to pay $2500 for a movie or risk going to court with judgements up to $150,000 for just one movie. I just read the local paper and this article was on page 3

    “Vendor Charged In M’town In sale of Counterfeit DVDs

    Middletown – For the second time in a year, Middletown police have charge a vendor at the Middletown Flea Market with selling counterfeit DVDs.

    On Sunday, Police acting in cooperation with the Motion Picture Association of America, charged Xiang Nan Zhang 26 of Woodside, with two felonies. Police saidshe sold counterfeit DVDs to and undercover officer.

    Police seized 1,500 counterfeit DVDs. Zhang is free pending a City court date.

    Police made a similar arrest in July 2009; Jian Yu of Flushing pleated quilty in March and was sentenced in May to five years probation.”

    Now how is that far… one who makes a profit gets probation and a filesharer gets a real hefty fine????

  • Johnson

    There is no way they could possibly take all the people who don’t pay up to there threat to court.

    I would just ignore it.

  • Johnson
  • batman

    wouldnt buying the dvd ‘cover’ a person, as they would now own an offical copy.

  • noCS

    My advice would be make a movie worth the money then people will pay for it.
    I’ve seen the price for movies lately and I can’t help but feel like I’m being screwed.

  • Zinger

    You seem to mix up intellectual property and physical property to try convince through some horrendous logic. Stealing is illegal but sharing is not! If I were to “enter your house and drive your car away” , yes thats stealing because you loose something tangible. However if someone to put up an e-book he is merely sharing it and more importantly the author hasn’t ” been robbed because he hasn’t lost anything tangible.”

    Think for a moment, if I have a friend who purchases a book/DVD /Game isn’t it way more likely that I would rather borrow it from my friend rather than spend a fortune on it all over again. While the aforementioned trade is not considered illegal, then suddenly sharing with someone online is. Double Standards,much?

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