Pirate Bay’s Tour Bus to Become Court Case Press Center

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January 12, 2009
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Last year The Pirate Bay and the Bureau of Piracy bought themselves a bus, painted it up in suitable pirate-style livery and embarked on a European tour. Now, with the trial of The Pirate Bay just a few weeks away, the bus will be coming home to Sweden to serve as the official court case press center.

The Pirate Bay’s summer tour started off in Sweden, where the bus was prepared. On July 10th, the bus was in Malmo where the ‘Bay and Piratbyrån (Bureau of Piracy) announced their ‘mixtape amnesty‘.

The bus, originally codenamed ‘S23M’, then headed off to Berlin to continue its European tour, with Pirate Bay co-founder Peter Sunde declaring, “It kinda shows that we’re more than just a site, that we’re an idea, and that we’re art in ourselves. As I’ve said many times before, we see The Pirate Bay as some sort of ongoing art project/performance.”

Somehow, over six months later, the bus is currently sitting in a parking lot in Belgrade, many miles away from home. In the fall of 2008, Piratbyrån renamed the bus S23X, and now want to bring S23K, as it’s now known (I hope you’re keeping up!) back home to Stockholm, Sweden. Here, it will serve as a press center for the upcoming Pirate Bay trial.

“During February and March 2009 there is a state-funded spectacle arranged, unprecedented in the capital. The Trial of The Pirate Bay – one of the longest in Sweden’s history – will be held in the Stockholm District Court on Kungsholmen,” note Piratbyrån.

The bus, they say, will have a very special function. “Once in place it will be used in direct connection to the trial in order to intensify the spectacle, including serving as the press center for Piracy Office and The Pirate Bay, and a natural meeting point for supporters and the curious.”

In order to fund the journey from Belgrade to Sweden, supporters are being invited to make donations via the Piratbyrån website. In return, donors will be invited to be a VIP guest at a party celebrating the bus’ homecoming.

More photos, videos and history behind the bus can be found here.

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http://burn-blue.com Nick

I hope the pirate bay get past this trial good.

http://www.burn-blue.com
Nick
http://www.fetchmp3.com/blog Andrew

haha the unstoppable force of The Pirate Bay goes mobile!

http://www.fetchmp3.com
Reasoned Mind

This will prove an interesting moment in Swedish business, governance and history. The Swedish courts will soon have the ability to create an institutionalized and private safe haven for piracy, copyright infringement, illegal distribution and fraud of the world's digital products for now and for the future, or they can recognize the business value in digital property ownership and circumvent their part in temporarily undermining that paradigm thereby remaining a viable and active part of the modern business world.

Gee. I wonder which way this will go.
- anon
  
  "Gee. I wonder which way this will go. "
  
  LOL.
  
  Yes. Considering The Pirate Bay is entirely 100% legal under Swedish law, I WONDER WHICH WAY THIS CASE WILL GO!!
  
  Reasoned Mind: He's a lover! He's a fighter! He's a hired MAFIAA troll :D
UnReasoned Mind

are you talking out your hat again? shame on you!

GO TPB!!! w00t!!!
Freakfreak

Ehem, you'd better call yourself "Moron Mind".

The courts can do nothing of the things you implied – and they especially CAN NOT make any legislations!

The court has to judge on the basis of the written law as it has been written in Sweden until now. And it's the parliaments task to "create an institutionalized … save haven" or to "recognize the business" by making laws according to the abusive demands of the copyright industry … sometimes in the future – on what ever basis they deem appropriate then.

You don't even get the differences straight between legislation and judiciary and mix up a big mess of bullshit. Your comment is stupid to say the least!

It's not the task of a court to rectify the shortcomings and inaccuracies of todays legislation – and it's definetly beyond their capabilties to imply any of the direction giving decisions you addressed – or they would simply commit arbitrary ruling beyond the law that wouldn't stand up to any dismissal at all!!

The court has to rule on the basis of the written law and nothing else! And it ESPECIALLY has NOT TO DO anything of what you attributed to it! Your post is totally wrong and plain stupid and only shows that you might be driven by irrational desires (to troll post) but are surely not driven by a "resoned mind" (except a catastrophically failing one!).

You are a troll!
http://intensedebate.com/people/dxtr dxtr

That bus is so awesome. Damn it ! I wish I was on it ___
dxtr
http://stuckinframes.blogspot.com
Life Hacker

Times are changing.. and you apparently cant keep up.. just like the dinosaur you will pass away. Your so called 'Business World' is just another name for robbery. Clamp down freedom for the dollar, scam the masses all so just a few can live lives of luxury.

Im all for making money, but if it involves stopping change and innovation for greed.. I do not agree.

There will always be people like you, and there will always be people like me. Difference is, we made this world, we control it, you do not.

Gee. I wonder which way this will go.
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  There's only one way: let justice be served.
  But how can we let justice be deferred?
  
  Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
  Roze
http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

It is a positive sign that there are at least messages from the pro-P2P side, like from the Pirate Bay, but it is still distressing when the superpower in the world (the U.S.) still teaches children in government-run schools whatever propaganda the MAFIAA feeds them. This indoctrination of children of MAFIAA propaganda must be put to a stop, posthaste.
Lawlzor

They should mount a .55 caliber machine gun on that bitch.
- JunkBot
  
  lol youz gotta love yenks. When in doubt get a gun, the biger the better :))
http://intensedebate.com/people/jasperwillem jasperwillem

And a crow nest, like in Asterix and Obelix… With a nice well speaking nice colored man in it. With heigth sickness ofcourse.
MojoNojo

that's more magical than the magic school bus!
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

It is a positive sign that there are at least messages from the pro-P2P side, like from the Pirate Bay, but it is still distressing when the superpower in the world (the U.S.) still teaches children in government-run schools whatever propaganda the MAFIAA feeds them. This indoctrination of children of MAFIAA propaganda must be put to a stop, posthaste.

Roze
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

It is a positive sign that there are at least messages from the pro-P2P side, like from the Pirate Bay, but it is still distressing when the superpower in the world (the U.S.) still teaches children in government-run schools whatever propaganda the MAFIAA feeds them. This indoctrination of children of MAFIAA propaganda must be put to a stop, posthaste.

Roze
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

It is a positive sign that there are at least messages from the pro-P2P side, like from the Pirate Bay, but it is still distressing when the superpower in the world (the U.S.) still teaches children in government-run schools whatever propaganda the MAFIAA feeds them. This indoctrination of children of MAFIAA propaganda must be put to a stop, posthaste.

10ch.org
lss

Kinda makes me wonder: Is there an open wifi network around the bus (meaning a router sitting in it) which anyone can join and use it to share stuff?
http://intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE

Yep! Makes me feel lucky that we are in Stockholm, Sweden…

Gotto send our donations quick to reserve our seats…

See you there guys, its gonna be a historical party!

Cheers!
CJ
http://www.eZee.se
- Yeah, me
  
  Since you're in Sweden, stop by Oslo and Bærum (in Norway) sometime between 1-17 may and see how a real party bus is ;)
  15-30 drunk 18-19 year old guys and gals having the time of their life with non-stop partying, loud music and beer!
  - http://intensedebate.com/people/EZEE EZEE
    
    Sounds like fun…!
    Is the invite still open if I am more than 18-19 years old but less than 30? :-D
FLB

a tiny, tiny, fraction of pirate bay's advertisement dollars at work…
- http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
  
  Evidence? Source for these claims is?…
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Mac

Money donated!
If you can, give with your heart you too!
Long live TPB!
Mac

To all you TPB haters and trolls spamming this forum.
Go away, we know who you are working for and who is REALLY in it for the money.

The bus was privately funded by ordinary people who were allowed to join the bus on it´s tour. When they bought the bus it was an old beatup wreck which they fixed with their bare hands and spent countless hours just to get it started. And when It did fail, people flocked to the scene to help push. There was not much money in this affair. The whole restoration of the bus is available on Youtube, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfhpjWUZ8lM

Also you are confusing piratbyrån with TPB. They are not the same. One is a organization who wants to encourage a debate and act as a counter-point to the heavily infected and totally biased anti-piratbyrån. While the TPB is just a torrent site that is a separate entity from piratbyrån.

You all know this, and WE all know this, yet you still try to infect these forums to try to start some resentment amongst us against TPB. Well, The joke is on you. The resentment works the other way around here and no matter how many accounts you get or how much you "up" your own posts, we still know who you are.
http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

Robbery? Mate, I'm on your side but that is ridiculous.

An example of robbery is me walking up to you, brandishing a weapon and forcing you to give me your wallet.

Any purchases you make are completely voluntary.
- Life Haxor
  
  Thats not completely true, and your seeing things too simple. Sure robbery maybe isnt the right word, but when you monopolize business (MAFIAA) and stunt new technology and innovation.. in my book that's robbery of the masses.
  - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    Yes, OK, I see what you mean. I would have just said "deprived the people of the world of innovation" or something along those lines.
    - Life Crapster
      
      Yeah I agree, im not very good with words and its easy to get carried away.
- industry plant
  
  So you're on retarded minds side are you, gee thanks for letting all the torrent freak readers in on what the rest of us have know for long time. NoobCakes is just another industry plant that adds pluses to its own comments, so the 54p people is not real. Roze is right, you're just another industry advocate, made & paid to be here by mpaa/riaa push their social engineering.
  
  I'll be expecting a "you keep saying i'm a plant cause thats the standard answer from people like you who don't want to hear the other sides argument" comment, but then you won't post that now would you cause thar would be the standard answer from a plant.
  
  Come up with something good noob boy so you can put another plus next to your name & keep sucking satans c__k
  
  hhahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
  - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    "So you're on retarded minds side are you, gee thanks for letting all the torrent freak readers in on what the rest of us have know for long time."
    
    Nope, never said that. In case you didn't notice I even explicitly stated I wasn't.
    
    "is just another industry plant that adds pluses to its own comments,"
    
    OK. Why don't you add pluses to your own comments then? Oh wait, you can't do that. I've got pluses because I post a lot and people either vote me up, down or not at all – no vote which means I get 1, I post a lot thus I get points. Perhaps you should take the time to vote against me sometimes instead of whinging about my high number of points. Which actually surprises the hell out of me come to think of it but as I said, I get 1 for a no vote at all.
    
    And what, I guess using your assumptions that Roze is also jacking up his own points as well do you? If I was a hired plant the last thing I would do is jack up my points for Christ sake – unless I was negative. It kind of makes me stick out no?
    
    And the fact that every other poster here that make a lot of posts such as Roze, EZEE and dxtr also has a high number of points escapes you.
    
    And if my supposed duplicate accounts are being used by me to mark myself up why aren't I marking down Roze, EZEE etc.?
    
    "you're just another industry advocate, made & paid to be here by mpaa/riaa push their social engineering."
    
    Assuming that's true isn't it a complete waste of money then? If it was true and "everybody" knew about it wouldn't I be better off getting a new identity: seeing as I'm not exactly popular with some people here. Or is that anothet tactic by me, the cunning plant.
    
    Do you just completely turn off when I post about how much I download, help people out that want to download… it seems to me that you get so pissed off when I don't toe the "party line" here by not agreeing with every single pro-filesharing comment that's made – or else I don't know why you fail to register it – that you assume that means I'm obviously a plant. I have a mind of my own and I don't like how some people post wild accusations, huge exaggerations, made up assumptions or sensationalist crap is all.
    - "OK. Why don't you add pluses to your own comments then? Oh wait, you can't do that."
      
      Hahahah.
      
      Look, kid. It's painfully obvious you created multiple IntenseDebate accounts(which is extremely simple to do) just so you could give yourself points, because you think having a high number next to your name makes you seem credible. In reality, you're just another industry advocate. Your whole "I P2P TOO!!!" thing is a thin, shitty veneer.
      
      Here's a tip. If you want to make it somewhat less clear that you're gaming the IntenseDebate system, stop giving +1 to every single one of your comments. When you post shit on par with "LOLWUT!!" and then somehow have +1 for it, it's a little bit obvious.
    - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      "When you post shit on par with "LOLWUT!!" and then somehow have 1 for it, it's a little bit obvious."
      
      Are you a retard? Everybody has 1 unless it's voted on. No vote is a +1 rating. Don't you think if I was voting on myself I might change it from 1 to hide it? You stupid twat.
      
      Actually, why don't you take a look and find the comments where I am than less than 1 so everybody can see where I have been pumping my score as it increases?
      
      I post a lot of comments here, so does Roze and EZEE and others, we all have high numbers of points – are you saying we all pump our points or that we all merely over time gain 1 due to people not voting. You can't have it both ways.
      
      Isn't it strange that the people who post the most comments in a system that encourage commenting by having 1 points by default are – gasp – the ones with the most points.
      
      Dumbass.
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/Killer_Tree Killer_Tree
      
      +1 for use of "stupid twat"
      And who cares if there is a plant or 2? Judge comments based on content, even if it's a differing viewpoint, that's called a "discussion" instead of "groupthink"
      (TPB FTW)
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      Yes, unfortunately though some people make the mistake of over estimating their own intelligence – often to cover up feelings of inadequacy they feel – so the fact that an assumption they make may be wrong becomes an affront to their self-esteem or self-image and their ability to rationalise is hampered.
      
      Like the fact the people are unlikely to vote on a comment equating to "LOLWUT" so it will always have +1 and the fact that they write long strings of laughter.
    - Seriously you guys look like 12 year olds.. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT YOUR POINTS. Theres probly like 4 people who even know what he hell it is.. and even fewer who even CARE.
      
      OMG I GOT MORE POINTS THEN U! NO U VOTED 4 URSELF NOOB! NO I DIDNT YOU DID! OMG!
      
      Fucking hit you with a god damn sledge hammer in the face..
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/zarathustra zarathustra
      
      LOLWUT!!
    - industry plant
      
      Quote "Robbery? Mate, I'm on your side but that is ridiculous." Unquote
      
      Do you think we're blind or as simple as you?
      
      Quote "Nope, never said that. In case you didn't notice I even explicitly stated I wasn't." Unquote
      
      Again, do you think we're blind or as simple as you?
      
      Quote "Assuming that's true isn't it a complete waste of money then? If it was true and "everybody" knew about it wouldn't I be better off getting a new identity: seeing as I'm not exactly popular with some people here. Or is that anothet tactic by me, the cunning plant." Unquote
      
      Yes it is a complete waste of money because no matter how many identities you create we'll still know you're a plant.
      
      Me get pissed off cause you don't toe the "party line" aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahhahahahaha
      
      Nice try noob boy but your post & plus is just another admission to being a plant, lies + more lies = plant
      
      See i can use the copy & paste buttons as well…..
    - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      ""Robbery? Mate, I'm on your side but that is ridiculous." Unquote
      
      Do you think we're blind or as simple as you?"
      
      Well please enlighten us as to what you believe it means – be specific and use short and simple words – you know, seeing as I'm so simple-minded and all.
      
      OK then! The non-existent wage I'm supposedly paid is a complete waste, I'll let my bosses know. Congrats on copying and pasting, that's excellent news. Could you please explain how I might avoid the problem of every post with no vote having a +1 rating… oh wait, that's right, i can come back and change them on my multiple numbers of other accounts.
      
      Either way I can't prove I'm not a plant and you cannot prove I am but you are, of course, welcome to have your opinion.
    - industry plant
      
      Jesus , you are simple….
      
      "I'm on your side" means you are taking the same side as the other person .
      
      "Nope, never said that" is a lie as you said you took the side of the other person in the post before the one when you said "Nope, never said that" on the same page in the same blog you simple donkey .
      
      So you are doing this for a non – existent wage, this proves you are simple and do not tell your bosses , they already know .
      
      Copy and pasting is simple like you so no need for congrats and no its not excellent news .
      
      To avoid looking simple stop posting here .
      
      You have proven your a simple plant, saying you're on the same side as simple reasoned mind and then saying you never said that proves this .
      
      There you go, nice and simple , even left a extra space between the words for you so it will be easier to read out loud .
      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      Calling me simple – hell, you need to read what I said and the order it is in or something. Or get your panties untwisted so you can think straight. No one else has managed to so conveniently screw things up as far as following the basic gist of things.
      
      I said "Robbery? Mate, I'm on your side but that is ridiculous."
      
      "I'm on your side" is referring to Life Hackers post above, on the same thread. Most people realise this as it is nested – ie not replying to Reasoned Mind and contains the word "robbery" in reference to Life Hacker's comment. You didn't follow what was right in front of you.
      
      Then, in your thread nested inside that, you said: ""So you're on retarded minds side are you, gee thanks for letting all the torrent freak readers in on what the rest of us have know for long time."
      
      Then in that nested thread I replied to you with: ""Nope, never said that" – directly afterwards – meaning no I never said I am on Reasoned Minds side which again is perfectly obvious as it's nested again with your post and underneath a direct quote of yours which – call me pernickety – usually indicates that the text is in relation to the quote and not a post that is 5 or whatever comments above it..
      
      Your making the mistake of thinking I am saying I am on Reasoned Minds side – despite it being directly underneath the actual comment I am replying to, nested seperately from Reasoned Mind and containing the word "robbery" to put it in context. You'd think that the fact that Life Hacker said "robbery" and Reasoned Mind did not would register.
      
      You failed to realise I was replying to your own comment depite it being nested with your, containing a direct quote that you said and being directly underneath your comment. But no – in your stupidity fit you had to link that to a comment posted 5 or whatever posts above.
      
      Your also so intelligent that you assume that I would lie about a statement made just 2 or whatever posts above.
      
      So you understand the basics of how this works: if a comment is nested it's replying to the post it's nested under and nothing else. It is not replying to anything else. And if a comment has a quote in it the following text is referring to that quote and not another post.
      
      Your basically just laid out that your dumb shit who has trouble following a conversation without making regferences to completely unrelated posts you realise. I note you didn't use the actual commenters pseudonyms because if you had replaced the phrase "other person" with names you would looked more stupid.
      
      Could you tell us how you hear the laughter in your comments – is it in an evil, mocking or incredulous tone.
    - industry plant
      
      Oh noes noob boy, i accuses you of being a tool when in actual fact you're a d!ck
      
      hahahahaha (can't you tell how i'm hearing it)
      
      Roze is right, i n d u s t r y a d v o c a t e , who else would get so upset if they were accused?? NubCakes the industry advocate.
      
      Could imagine you trembling with geek rage as typed all that, loved it, every single word.
      
      Where did you learn the word incredulous?? Oh wait….thats right you're unwilling to believe or learn from commenters here, & you say you have a mind of your own.
      
      hhahaahahah (here's a clue its none of your suggestions)
    - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      Fair enough, nothing is stopping you posting your opinion here. Your comments are getting more and more childish like your not having a discussion but rather an trying to prove how big your dick is on the internet. You should do that in real life, it's more satisfying and actually means something.
    - industry plant
      
      Proving how big your dick is in real life is more satisfying & actually means something, how the hell would you know noob boy, its people like you who say $hit like that are the fakers with the smallest d!cks that try & convince everyone you got the biggest.
      
      Now you really are sounding like a industry advocate,
      Shallow to boot…….poor poor boy.
      
      hehehahahaa
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      Fair enough, nothing is stopping you posting your opinion here.
      
      Funny how your accuse me of "trembling with geek rage" when your throwing around schoolground insults.
  - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    "is just another industry plant that adds pluses to its own comments,"
    
    OK. Why don't you add pluses to your own comments then? Oh wait, you can't do that.
    
    I've got pluses because I post a lot and people either vote me up, down or not at all.
  - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    "is just another industry plant that adds pluses to its own comments,"
    
    OK. Why don't you add pluses to your own comments then? Oh wait, you can't do that.
    
    I've got pluses because I post a lot and people either vote me up, down or not at all.
    
    And no, I'm not on Reasoned Minds side.
vee

Instead of buying buses, TPB should give some of the money back to the musicians who are getting ripped off.
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  The musicians are not getting ripped off by TPB or P2P in general.
  
  Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
  Roze
http://intensedebate.com/people/mister_playboy mister_playboy

It is rather fitting, though, isn't it? There's more than a few metaphorical guns pointed at TPB in this case.
Mac

I just thought I should add this. This is the part I part I earlier described with the breakdown and repair of the bus. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOz02ctNrTQ
Volker

Should of called it "The Straight Talking Pirate Express" lol
John Beaner

Bummer! So long party bus. May the memories live on!

privacy.es.tc
http://www.howtop2p.com/ Franko33

Go pirate bay go! You guys rock, keep on going! The whole world is behind you.

Franko33
http://www.howtop2p.com
Reasoned Mind

But the best news yet is the tax avoidance case on Carl Lundstrom now pending in Stockholm. If it can be shown that the four men who own and operate TPB personally profit from the infringement, their sentences can be made far more harsh.

Read and weep:
http://www.thelocal.se/16532/20081223/

Almost 21 million kroner hidden in Liechtenstein. LOL And they want you to believe they do this "for freedom and the artists." LOL

This court case is going to be awesome.
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  If you know who Carl Lundström was, you would know that Lundström gave some money for the startup of TPB, and was not among "four men who own and operate TPB," since there are actually three who own and operate TPB. Those three took the money because it was needed (because starting TPB was also definitely not cheap). Lundström does not have much to do with TPB otherwise. You should learn more and do more research before you talk about something about which you know not.
  
  See:
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/07/pirate_ba…
  
  Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
  Roze
kill

I love how TPB says they have no money, yet they can parade this bus of theirs around Europe. And I'm sure the refit wasn't cheap. Their arrogance will catch up with them.
kill

It's rather elementary…

1) they can afford to keep a high volume site online
2) they can afford a high power legal team
3) they can afford a bus
4) they can afford the bus, and drive around europe.
5) they can afford to keep the bus filled with gas – in the summer no less when gas prices were astronomical
6) they can afford the logistics of the said trip
7) they can afford to travel around europe and promote their cause
8) they can afford personal items – such as sustenance and shelter.

I can go on and on really. None of this stuff is cheap. And does TPB give any of this money to the artists? No. So while the MPA are a bunch of bastards, they do have a valid case against TPB. Oh…and I forgot…they just refitted the bus too. That's mo $$$.

To TPB: Not everyone in the P2P community supports you.
- CCC
  
  I agree that TPB is making money but not direct from the artist . you have to make this clear. TPB making money from ads not from charging membership or service.
  to make it easy to understand let compare site like youtube and megavideo .
  
  on youtube, they don't restrict you watching the video on they site . they don't ask you to pay any money to watch the video .
  
  on megavideo , they restrict you with max bandwidth limit and if you want to continue watch you must pay for they service. this kind of service is actually illegal.
  
  now you can see the direct and indirect method ?
  
  making money from ads in laws is totally legal .
  - http://www.piratbyran.org/s23k monki
    
    The costs for the bus is paid by the art institutions that have exhibited it. It was at first a part of manifesta7 in bolzano, italy. So kill, Mr. sherlock holmes up there, haven't got a clue. No money from the pirate bay is involved at all.
- Widget
  
  "And does TPB give any of this money to the artists?"
  Does the RIAA give any of the money they get from suing to the artists? Google it and find out =)
- junkeye
  
  Dude your logic is fokd up. That bus is older than my gramma. I would expect millionaire business people to get a brand new state of the art bus. If that were the case you'd prolly have a point. I guess an old buss like that cant be more then 2-3 k euroz and with all your other 7 points together I would guess probably 10-15k. Wheres the fucken millionz?
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Reasoned Mind

"Carl Lundström, one of four men awaiting trial for involvement with file sharing site The Pirate Bay, is among a dozen Swedes at the heart of a tax authorities investigation into funds stashed in a bank trust in Lilliput tax haven Liechtenstein."

Direct from the linked article. Read it again. He's on trial every bit as much as the others, and he should be.

Roze, I don't work in the industry, I'm an observer with an interest in taking care of digital creators, the artists, that's all. You take what they are trying to sell, thus you are doing wrong. You have no "higher right" to their goods and services unless you pay what they ask. This will not change; the laws and enforcement and punishment will change one court case at a time to make certain this does not change. And I've forgotten more about this issue than you'll ever know.
- http://www.xbomber.co.uk Crash
  
  "I've forgotten more about this issue than you'll ever know. "
  
  Well that's not melodramatic at all is it? What a self-righteous individual you sound.
  
  Just 'cos Lundstrom is on trial with the other three doesn't mean he's deeply involved with TPB. Just cos someone is under investigation doesn't make them guilty either.
  
  A truly reasoned mind works on the basis of innocent until PROVEN guilty.
- http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
  
  "Roze, I don't work in the industry,"
  
  Me either.
  
  "I'm an observer"
  
  Me also although everyone is here.
  
  "with an interest in taking care of digital creators, the artists, that's all."
  
  Thats where I differ – I would rather enjoy artists work without paying and obtaining it almost instantly with a huge amount of choice.
  
  "You take what they are trying to sell, thus you are doing wrong."
  
  In your opinion and according to the law in many places however I'm far more interested in my own stake in this and what's more there is an extremely low chance I will be caught. The chance of Usenet and Filehosting users being caught is so close to nil as to be non-existent. The chance of torrent users being caught is higher but I'd say the odds are probably better than winning the first division lottery that you will not be caught.
  
  "You have no "higher right" to their goods and services unless you pay what they ask."
  
  Agreed that people have no "higher rights" but I think that's more because I don't recognise the "rights" framework that your alluding to of either side of the argument. I am more interested in obtaining content for free and being able to use an unlimited amount of content.
  
  "This will not change; the laws and enforcement and punishment will change one court case at a time to make certain this does not change."
  
  Well, I hate to break it (actually no I dont) to you but in reality this isn't happening – yes there are legal cases but the number of cases alone, not even counting successful prosecutions is absolutely miniscule. Look at how many people have been punished by the court system… LOL.
  
  "And I've forgotten more about this issue than you'll ever know."
  
  OK, that statement makes you sound like a conceited twat.
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
  
  "Roze, I don't work in the industry,"
  
  Me either.
  
  "I'm an observer"
  
  Me also although everyone is here.
  
  "with an interest in taking care of digital creators, the artists, that's all."
  
  Thats where I differ – I would rather enjoy artists work without paying and obtaining it almost instantly with a huge amount of choice.
  
  "You take what they are trying to sell, thus you are doing wrong."
  
  In your opinion and according to the law in many places however I'm far more interested in my own stake in this and what's more there is an extremely low chance I will be caught. The chance of Usenet and Filehosting users being caught is so close to nil as to be non-existent. The chance of torrent users being caught is higher but I'd say the odds are probably better than winning the first division lottery that you will not be caught.
  
  "You have no "higher right" to their goods and services unless you pay what they ask."
  
  Agreed that people have no "higher rights" but I think that's more because I don't recognise the "rights" framework that your alluding to of either side of the argument. I am more interested in obtaining content for free and being able to use an unlimited amount of content. My right to do this exists because I can.
  
  "This will not change; the laws and enforcement and punishment will change one court case at a time to make certain this does not change."
  
  Well, I hate to break it (actually no I dont) to you but in reality this isn't happening – yes there are legal cases but the number of cases alone, not even counting successful prosecutions is absolutely miniscule. Look at how many people have been punished by the court system… LOL.
  
  "And I've forgotten more about this issue than you'll ever know."
  
  OK, that statement makes you sound like a conceited twat.
- anon
  
  "Roze, I work in the industry, I'm a hired plant with an interest in supporting the MAFIAA because they sign my paychecks, that's all. Who cares that they rape the digital creators, the artists?"
  
  fix'd
- http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  If you mean "involved" in the sense that he gave the money to the three TPB crew for starting TPB up, since this was money that was necessary for starting TPB up, which was expensive.
  
  I'm an observer with an interest in taking care of digital creators, the artists, that's all.
  Okay then, you can do that. Take them in to your homes, let them live with you, or something, cause they are obviously starving.
  
  Also, what is this "higher right" you speak of?
  
  I've forgotten more about this issue than you'll ever know.
  Yeah, that explains everything.
  - FLB
    
    "since this was money that was necessary for starting TPB up, which was expensive."
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    
    so, just so were clear roze, YOU get to use the "it's expensive" defense but the musicians and filmmaker's don't?
    
    i want to get a clear picture of your hypocrisy…
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
      
      Funds from donations and advertisement are funding, profiteering from copyright extortion is immoral.
      
      Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
      Roze
http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes

That's not evidence that this is a tiny proportion of TPB's income though. You may be right but I still don't see that this is evidence.

Also TPB and the Bureau of Piracy paid for the bus, not TPB alone.
- hokus
  
  the piratbyrån is highly dependent on the pirate bay…not only because the pirate bay is the founder of piratbyrån.
  
  regarding the finance:
  http://rixstep.com/1/20060715,00.shtml
  
  an interesting insight into tpb's finance
  - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    Evidence – not just claims made out of assumptions. This is better.
FLB

"no matter how many accounts you get or how much you "up" your own posts, we still know who you are."

i think you're confused. roze is on your side. i love how he ups every single post he makes. it's funny.

(and sad)

but mostly funny.
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
  
  You do realise that by default every post is +1 so if no one votes it adds 1 point yes?
  
  Roze's points seem consistent with mine and EZEE's and we all post a lot of comments here.
  
  Other people can also vote. As an alternative to him voting.
Jamie

Go TPB! The common man is behind you. To hell with the MPAA and their evil shills.
tmc

The anti piracy industries tried to assault privacy on the internet and that only served their interests up to a point… now they must assult freedom of speech to inflict critical damage upon the pirates. At what cost you may ask yourself? Your very liberties are threatened by regulating speech beyond the "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" to "we must inspect your data to make sure there's no pirated / unpaid for materials" an internet customs agency for data…? That's insane, and unworkable. Secret meetings between the copyright industry and major telco & cable isp's (in the US) are now underway to begin filtering peer to peer data and finding ways to pull the plug on (in their eyes) the 'worst of the offenders'. Terabytes of data flow around the globe every 24 hours, and this will mean a draconian shift of power.. and not in a good direction.

The Pirate Bay stands against those who would attack democracy in an attempt to win the piracy war! For this I support and salute you!

Cannons, definitely cannons (real or painted ones) for the Pirate Bay Bus!
Ghostofchris

Pirates on wheels ftw
hokus

i would donate if they wouldnt constantly spam me with their advertisement on their website. i mean, cmon…i doubt that youre so poor.
- http://intensedebate.com/people/zarathustra zarathustra
  
  You need to learn how to block ads. Type "host file blocking" or, more simply, "adblock plus" into your favourite "serch mowter".
  
  HTH ;D
- http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  Nope, they are. As of now, there are only a few that would want to advertise on TPB right now.
  
  Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
  Roze
JunkBot

May teh force be with ya! TPB FTW!!! Bus is awsome!
fucktbp

tpb is just another hypocrite business, they don't give a shit about anything else than ads revenues, they harbour revisionists/negationists/nazis they work for m$ monopoly and no party will ever change anything for good
- Volker
  
  Eh? Your post made me lol. Especially "…they work for m$ monopoly". I don't think I even need to explain what is wrong with that quote.
- http://intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
  
  … No. Incorrect, along with all those other comments which say exactly the same thing. Their ad revenues are for funding TPB, which is not cheap to maintain.
  - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
    
    I don't know either way but have you any evidence for this claim?
    - http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze
      
      Because of news articles. Want to see them?
      
      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080201-pir…
      
      Okay, so we don't know for certain, but these ad revenues are handled by a third party.
    - http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
      
      Interesting, thanks for the link ;)
- http://intensedebate.com/people/NubCakes NubCakes
  
  "they work for m$ monopoly"
  
  We have a new stupidest post. Damn, that's just too funny.
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Jullian

bus = win!
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Roze Roze

It is a positive sign that there are at least messages from the pro-P2P side, like from the Pirate Bay, but it is still distressing when the superpower in the world (the U.S.) still teaches children in government-run schools whatever propaganda the MAFIAA feeds them. This indoctrination of children of MAFIAA propaganda must be put to a stop, posthaste.

Écrasez l'Infâme! Crush the infamous thing!
Roze
Anonymous

but what if they lose…
http://www.brandingyp.com/2009/01/pirate-bay-gigantic-torrent-tracker.html charles palma

They should have bought the platform in Sealand and built a very powerful nuclear weapon. Just in case, they lose the case. :)

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