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Pirate Party Enters the German Parliament

Just two weeks after the Swedish Pirate Party won a seat in the European Parliament, the German PiratenPartei has gained a seat in the German government. Jörg Tauss has left the Social Democrats Party (SPD) and has joined the Pirate Party.

piratenparteiWhen it was said by some that the Swedish win in the European elections would act as a catalyst, nobody would have thought that the results would start to show so quickly. Two weeks after getting 230,000 votes in the EU elections, the Pirate Party has gained a seat in the German Federal Parliament.

Politician Jörg Tauss left the SPD yesterday over concerns about Internet censorship. The German Pirate Party had been running a petition against an attempt by the German government to have a censorship list, which, although at first applied to child pornography, has already been considered for expansion to cover other areas.

Faced with this censorship system, which has not been proven to do anything to protect children or do anything except stifle free speech, Tauss decided to leave his party and join the Pirate Party instead.

In a statement the Pirate Party welcomes him into the party as “one of the most experienced politicians in the areas of education, research and new media,” and calls the defection the “culmination of a long chain of failures of the SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) in the areas of civil rights in the digital age and shows a dramatic loss of their credibility inside and outside.”

However, there is also controversy as Tauss is currently under investigation over allegations that he was improperly in possession of child porn images. Tauss claims that such images were sent to him during the basis of an investigation into that subculture, in line with his official government work. Criminal charges on the possession of the images may be pending soon, with Die Welt quoting the prosecutor as saying charges will be brought “within a few weeks”.

Regardless, the Pirate Party is standing by Tauss, who has been a member of the parliament since 1994, at least until a determination of charges is announced. “As long as there will be no criminal conviction against Mr. Tauss, the Piratenpartei has no reason to question Mr. Tauss’ innocence and moral integrity.”

With their seat in the German Parliament the Pirate Party hopes to do something about the increased censorship of the Internet and abuse of copyright by multi-billion dollar companies.

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  • ytwg

    sweet… i think
    First?

  • Ralonto

    Fantastic! I hope Tauss is not guilty though. May the German pirate ship sail proudly with the pirate banner!

  • CWagner

    A (German) Text about quite some unclear things surrounding the prosecution in Tauss’s Case:
    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Zu-Tauss-pro-kontra-meine-eigene-1-h-Recherce-dank-des-unzensierten-Netzes/forum-161007/msg-16927992/read/

    The media had information about stuff before it happened and more.

  • God

    COOOLLL!!!

  • Skl8em

    Your teaser is wrong, not the governement but in the german Parliament. Thats good enough for a start ;)

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  • wtf

    who gives a crap

  • JPF

    The last sentence is kinda wrong. We have reelections in september and a (political) summer break from ~august on, so practically nothing will happen here. Tauss already stated he won’t run for a seat in parliament again. Also most peoaple in Parliament don’t even listen to him anymore, he’s like an outlaw here, even if he’s not proven guilty. So what we get is attention by the media and an long time media expert, the seat itself is useless.

  • Nice

    It’s a first step after all.
    Tauss is not the only member of the SPD who left the party during the last days as a consequence of the law.
    However, he’s the only member of the parliament to do so.

    The German Pirate Party said, they welcome everyone who feels cheated by their former party.

  • NoOne

    Tauss left a big established party like the SPD and joined a small party, which obviously makes his reelection more difficult, and this in the name of his principles. This alone deservers respect IMO. Besides, the SPD should be ashamed after their vote, there’s no excuse.

  • Yuri

    Actually, the petition wasn’t exactly run by the Pirate Party, only supported. The petition was run by a single person… of whom I don’t know whether she’s a pirate or not [although I think not].

  • Turbis

    Yay :D

  • Jefo

    I hope more politicians will join PP. :)

  • Use Your Brain?

    Well first off it certainly seems as great news, but it could very much turn out to become an Achilles’ Heel to the german PP, and in fact the pirate course overall!

    If it turns out that this guy indeed has harboured child pornography, it will be INCREDIBLY damaging for pirate organisations in Germany, and to some extent outside Germany as well. Though it’s quite obviuos the MAFIAA’s paid politicians and other censorhappy interestgroups deliberately plays the child pornography card to play on peoples fear and disgust, saying that pirates claims for a free web de facto protects these child predators (of course utter bull), though imagine the damage it could inflict, if it actually turned out to be true IN ANY CASE whatsoever?! It could become a nightmare straight out, giving the MAFIAA for once a chance at getting the general public’s sympathy!

    If I was the german PP, I would be very very carefull to put myself in a position, where there was the slightest possibilities for such a scenario to play out, like f.ex. embracing this politician untill he has been proven absolutly innocent. Might not seem fair to either party, but there is just to much at stake IMHO…

  • Anonymous

    Those criminal charges sound like a typical setup. CWagner’s comment (#3) also seems to indicate exactly that.

  • Lefa

    I concur with #13. Tauss’ investigation will give lots of ammo for ‘the industry’ and especially if convicted.

    But also, Tauss might prove to be an unfeeling politician. His background and long work in politics may stop him from viewing things in a radical and pirate-like way.

  • the.dwarfer

    so hang on, the german government is trying to lump child porn and pirates together in new laws (not an original idea) and the german pirate party has let in someone who opposes the new law but is also accused of possesing child porn. does anyone else smell a set-up?

    If he leaves politics in discrace at the next election, the public will see him ascociated with the pirate party and they will ascociate it with the things he is suspected of.

    On the other hand if he is vindicated and it was for work then EPIC WIN! for the PP.

  • g

    “I was just doing research” is a common claim by people caught with kiddie porn. I’m not necessarily saying he’s guilty, but it could end up as embarrassment to the “Pirate Party.”

  • Anonymous

    kiddy porn is an excuse, it will be the foot in the door for future all blown out state sanctioned censure.

  • PirateLover

    Yes soon piracy will as a human right will be enshrined in law, and those RIAA/KKK boys will be out of a job.

    When will people learn that if someone doesn’t want to pay for music or music they shouldn’t be forced to.
    If you’ll excuse me im off to have dirty scientologist sex with monique wadsted

  • Hom3r

    the definition of child ‘porn’ is very vague. Includes everything from that naked baby picture your parents took of you on the bed to your first time in the bathtub.

  • Use Your Brain?

    @18:

    Exactly my fear :(

  • Anonymous

    http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/timbaland-nelly-furtado-sued-for-plagiarism-210149

    Timbalad and Nelly Furtado being sued for plagiarism LoL

    On the same site you can see who is suing who and for what copyright is a beautiful thing indeed LoL

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Holy cow! not even in the rollingstone site people like the industry.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/19/minnesota-mom-hit-with-192-million-fine-for-illegal-file-sharing/

    Even the in physorg that have almost nothing to do with P2P people didn’t like it either

  • Anonymous

    oops! desconsider the above post, wrong article.

    sorry.

  • Cordelia

    What did he have to go an mess with child porn for?

    First pirate representative in a really influential country!

    Being a woman I never watch it so I don’t know about it, but is it possible he could have made a mistake and thought he was watching regular porn!

    Or was he set up by anti-pirates?

    I hope he’s not just for net neutrality because he’s got perverse secrets. If he’s found guilty it could damage the cause.

  • diOnysus

    I think the majority of individuals voting for the Pirate Parties (in any country) are a little more savvy to politics than the average “hereditary voter”. Regardless of Tauss’ dealings, the Pirate Party is for a distinct set of policies, and none of them involve legalizing childporn.

    Also, speaking as a male… if Tauss “mistook” childporn for real porn, then he has a serious effing eye problem– most men can spot an underaged minor in a poorly-lit bar from half a room away while in a drunken stupor.

  • Anonymous

    @26 Jun 22, 2009 at 02:25 by Cordelia and 27 Jun 22, 2009 at 02:40 by diOnysus:

    The article says he had the material, it was kid porn and it was work related according to himself.

    Tauss claims that such images were sent to him during the basis of an investigation into that subculture, in line with his official government work.

    So it seems until all the facts come to light people will have to believe him for the moment.

  • Celesto

    long served politician began to think!

  • PirateLover

    oh like one pedophile child molester can change the government if he has a seat, he’ll be hauled away in chains and the pirate party will end up with egg on it’s face again, a band of criminals nothing more

  • Ad

    I haven’t dug into this, so take it with a grain of salt, but:

    I read that he was actively investigating CP as part of his government duties – and was then removed from this particular post. This instantly made what he was investigating illegal for him to possess, and so he got stung for it.

    Like I said, I haven’t dug into it. Any savvy Germans around to provide more info?

  • Use Your Brain?

    well just look @30 – the neostyles troll!

    Exactly my point about how these MAFIAA-sickos will gobble this up and spew it out, distortet and falsified, they will stop at nothing to preach their twisted sick corporate fascism, not even at the point of blaming an un-trialed man of being a child molester…

    This is exactly why pirates cannot afford them any ammunition like this!!

  • Anonymous

    Harvard Study Finds Weaker Copyright Protection Has Benefited Society
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4062/125/

    The hell with the MAFIAA LoL

  • Reasond dickpump

    Amen brother…the south will rise again

  • ju

    lmfao. he’s so guilty he ran from his own democratic group, probably deleting everything as he left.

  • Anonymous

    Why would the Pirate Party even consider letting a pedophile have power? That’s just sickening…

  • KKK

    i love the RIAA

  • Me

    @36 maybe because the Pirate Party believes in the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” and not witch hunts? If it turns out he’s a pedophile then he’ll be punished as one. Assuming he is before it is proven would kind of go against a lot of what the pirate party stands for.

  • Anonymous

    Here an example of why the Pirate Party should grow more and people should support it.

    ASCAP Wants To Be Paid When Your Phone Rings

    ASCAP (the same folks who went after Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public, you’re violating copyright law by “publicly performing” it without a license. At least that’s the import of a brief [2.5mb PDF] it filed in ASCAP’s court battle with mobile phone giant AT&T.

    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/ascap-wants-be-paid-

    ps: An some people don’t yet understand why people are getting tired of the copyright industry.

  • Whermn

    @39

    So I have to use my crappy t-mobile jingle as the ringtone for my cell, just to avoid being sued? WTH!

  • Anonymous

    @40 Jun 22, 2009 at 06:29 by Whermn:

    The way they worded the thing, is not just cellphones you could be sued for, because public performance could mean a lot of things like for example having a song playing in your answer machine.

    In another news.

    Danger Mouse Releases a Blank CD-R

    Here’s where an interesting copyright law wrinkle might step in — if the blank CD-R is a royalty-paid “music CD-R,” then the copies made by fans (whether made from NPR or P2P) would be legal under 17 U.S.C. 1008, which provides that no infringement lawsuit may be “based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of [a digital audio recording] medium for making digital musical recordings.” Digital audio recording medium (DARM) is defined to include “music CD-Rs” on which a royalty is paid to copyright owners.

    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/danger-mouse-inducem

    The article basicly says that if you buy a “music blank CD-R” that have in its price a royalty nobody can touch you LoL

  • AnarchyNow

    That won’t change anything
    ANARCHY NOW!

  • ano nym ous

    @36
    “Why would the Pirate Party even consider letting a pedophile have power?”
    Where does he have power? He just joined the party, nothing more, nothing less.
    And he ain’t a pedophile. Just continue to watch Fox Noise, if you don’t want to use your brain just once.

  • Frank

    hrhr, very nice. the spd isn’t living up to the “social” for some time now (glad I’m from austria)

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  • TerribleTony

    @36 The Pirate Party has power to give away? lol

    I hope this all works out well for PPDE.

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  • puser

    multi-billion.. :\

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  • Anonymous

    photos sent to him for investigation eehh?
    is he police or what?

    I’m for pirate party but this guy is just bad pr. Dump him.

  • NPI

    Considering the timing and how Tauss apparently has no interest in running again, I can only see this is a provocation.

    He probably wants to leave politics with a bang and is upset about how someone has been accessing his computer and discovering the child porn. Tauss wants to hurt the SPD and not help the PP.

    The PP might get some attention but if they really want to get in parliament I’m not sure if letting Tauss join was a good idea. Sure he’s innocent ‘till proven guilty and you shouldn’t dig up dirt on other peoples computers but the PP risks getting associated with paedophiles due to him.

    Apparently Tauss left the SPD because he feared this internet censorship idea might be used to invade other privacy even when child porn isn’t involved and get used against piracy.
    Innocent or not he did have child porn on his computer and now he’s “hiding” amongst pirates, (just like how many child porn networks hides amongst sceners). I’m afraid he just made it easier to link piracy with child porn.

    When it comes to the PP I don’t care if they get in parliament or not, I would never vote for a party that only have a program on copyright and privacy, they are basically lobbyists.
    But if Tauss is found guilty and the PP can’t spin it we risk this event causing unrepairable damage to the cause.

  • Andreas

    I have talked to Tauss’ lawyer about the material that was found during the search. There were two CDs sent to him by a dealer (charges against whom have been dropped by now, btw), and some photos on his mobile phone that Tauss used to get in contact with said dealer. This is consistent with the explanation Tauss has given (one time research only), and there’s no indication Tauss has owned an extensive collection or is in fact a pedophile.

    I’d even dare to say that I respect a member of parliament who has the courage to form his own opinion and doesn’t blindly believe the lies told by the executive branch of government. Checks and balances, remember?

  • yet another pirate

    26:
    not an accident, really: he contacted cp circles and received pictures to his mobile phone, and a cd with cp.
    he claims to have kept the stuff because the possession of swapping material is necessary as an entry ticket to most of those circles – it more or less serves as proof that you are a “legit” cp’er, and can be trusted.
    whatever the truth of the matter is, we will never know it for sure.

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  • richard

    Trace this emancipation rally back to the brazen and tireless work of our heroes like Gottfrid Swartholm.

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  • Anon

    Or, they’re going to be mass-propaganda’d against via route of the “pro child-porn party” thanks to opposing censorship.

    I can see it now – can’t you?

    We all know how this shitty game works by now, why are there over a third of vote-fags still standing by the christian/ass-backwards/big-brother/censorship cunts?

    It’s like they’re all blind, too blind to see..frog=>pot=>slow boil=>death.

  • Anon

    #48

    “I would never vote for a party that only have a program on copyright and privacy, they are basically lobbyists.”

    Sounds sensible. But which party IS that?
    Can’t be the pirate party, because they’ve got a much further reaching agenda. Couldn’t be that you’re just an ignorant prejudiced fag who ignores stuff he doesn’t know about though, right? Cool. Just wanted to make sure.

    Btw, anyone know how that odd “green party” that actually ended up governing for a while came to be? Or that oddball other, what were they called, social democrats or something…only thing I know for sure, they certainly weren’t singular issue based, hell no. That’d be silly. Like someone would vote solely because of missing worker representation or fear and fury against nuclear danger and environment issues.
    Why, I lulz at the thought of it!

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  • NPI

    @53,

    Yeah, I’m sorry I see it now … I’m a fag and I ignore stuff…

    Look I’m as big a pirate as you are, possibly even bigger. Had you read my post from start to finish you’d know that.
    The PP’s have no official policies on things such as trade, economics (aside from the copyright aspects), abortion (I’m pro btw), the army etc. Voting for any of the established parties is like buying a package solution; they have a program listing what they believe in on all political fronts, and how they intend to reach their goals.

    If I give my vote a PP I’d be sure they’d use it to alter the copyright law and to protect my privacy and freedom of speech.
    But while they are important subjects it’s only around 2 % (just a random number) of what’s being voted on, – and hands down the global economy and the constant middleeast issues are a bit more important.
    I haven’t got the faintest idea if a member of a PP will abstain from voting on issues not listed in the PP program or if he/she’ll choose to vote. I risk voting for someone who might either vote against my views on the majority of subjects or someone who’s going to sit on his/her hands and get nothing done. The PP’s are never going to be in government and the only way they’ll ever archive something in parliament is by trading votes with some or the larger parties in matters that have nothing to do with copyright.
    My only hope is that the PP’s will inspire some of the established parties to change their views on piracy.

    The copyright industry and their loyalists realize that forming some art/culture preservation party isn’t going to work, instead they have created a gazillion of NGO’s and lobby organizations in an effort to manipulate the politicians.
    I suppose some of the PP’s double as lobby organizations, and I’ll gladly donate money to them for bringing our views out there, but they’ll never get my vote.

    Just today I read an article in a Danish newspaper that suggested around a third of the Danes believe copying music and movies should be legal.
    The reason they do not vote for a PP is clear, copyright just isn’t that important, the only way their views are ever going to get heard in parliament is if a few of the established parties, or possibly candidates, change/adjust their copyright views.
    Making someone change their mind, that’s what NGO’s and lobby organizations are for.

  • Sendaii

    PP shouldn’t be so naive. Pedophile or no pedophile, this guy is bad for PR. That’s the way it works: even if he is found not guilty, the MAFIAA and other groups will still use that association against us when it comes to demanding internet censorship. I’ve seen it happen before, some people’s lives have been ruined even after being found not guilty. We really don’t want the same thing happening to our cause. Drop him now.

  • Anon

    @54

    Still not getting it. Are you american? I’m just asking, because itmight explain mention of Army and abortion as some of the first thoughts to pop into your head and the lack of understanding of the party development process/system.

    It may also be the reason why you fail to have the insight that effectively all established parties here(Europe, that odd place that actually offers more than 2 choices to vote on) for example are not just STILL viewed as, but started as “single issue representation” parties. I tried to include subtle hints in my post, but I guess you didn’t get it.

    Green party?
    Single issue foundation(down with nuclear power, protect our environment, and their competence on world politics went perhaps as far as “petting instead of pershing”), grew basically from a ‘late hippies’ eco-movement. Governed 1998-2005 together with – aha! – the social democrats. They in turn were basically a moderate branch of the more radical socialists who in turn only cropped up in order to be a worker representation, clamoring for more worker rights and freedom, i.e. single issue there as well(they all came from the Marxist/Engel corner originally, doesn’t get more single issue and narrowminded than that), and basically forcing the established powers into dishing out healthcare e.g…neither of these two ever started out with pretending to want anything but representing their core voters and their original issue representation and then evolved. Similiar story for others.

    You are an utter moron for not understanding political culture and history if you think ANY party is born or even conceived as an ubiquitiously talented entity..all interest representation MUST start by necessity with a ‘core issue’ which is represented and identified with strongly..where else are voters going to come from? Why else seek representation if you don’t have a place that you are coming from?

    A party that’s going to be just as ‘meh’ on everything equally has zero pulling power for anything – there’s already noncommitical clowns running the show as it is, which is why we ARE where we are.

    If YOU in turn feel you’re already adequately represented in those things dear to you by those very clowns(who seem to base their ideas more on what might pull the most votes OR party donations by lobby groups), and that includes piracy issues, then fine, that’s your shortcoming and choice.

    But don’t argue that because they don’t kick off by including a middle east conflict as core campaign they’re not voteable or that they’d lack the smarts to have or develop a stance on it..that, again, is just stupid, ignorant faggotry, and feel free to underline that.

    The pirate party still isn’t a single issue party and had you bothered to read their corresponding country’s program(and/or press releases and various stances on political tidbits and items) you’d know.

    So, yes, in both counts, you’re still the same ignorant fag quite frankly for witholding your vote for a reason that isn’t even a valid one. If you fail to grasp that point, then it is only because you fail to do proper research, reading, thinking, investigation.

    Or maybe you just want to shirk the responsibility of voting for something that might actually usher in change, fvcked if I know.
    There is only one way of showing commitment towards change, and that’s enacting that commitment towards change..I have, I do, and I will.
    You seem to prefer to “outargue” your own cause.

    There is nothing more important than individual and informational freedom. It is the very foundation which we built ALL our civilized countries and understanding on. If you yourself wish to restrict this to ‘copyright issues’ then, again, this is a personal shortcoming, but it has nothing to do with what the PP is about, stands for or can be confined to.

    Really, it’s just you.

    Personally quite frankly I can smell the seeds of overprotection and censorship coming, and it’s not like nobody/no place ever went down this road before. I am still amazed by the massive ‘close my eyes, hands over ears’ phenomenon we’re seeing even when there is physical evidence of these things all around us, from the omnipresent public camera to the enforced data retention to the actually maintained censorship lists, import restrictions, biometrics, data monitoring etc pp..these are all fact, and not fiction..I do not want to suffer deterioration of my personal freedoms, and I will not stand for it by enabling those that further it.

  • neostyles

    Utterly unbelievable. It seems Europe is showing it’s true colors. Casual political endorsement of theft.

    They ban violent games because some psycopath happen to have played them and then they turn around and go “YEAH! STEALING! ALLRIIGHT!”

    Im of german descent, and even though, it’s 2 generations, im still starting to feel ashamed. Europe has no backbone. AT ALL. And before you go mouthing off about how they stood up to hollywood and international corporate pressure, just know that doing the right thing takes much more courage in general. Giving in to hundreds of thousands of greedy pirates, sobering at the mouth for stolen material is much easier than having to actually work with law enforcement abroad to create new copyright policies and enforcing them.

    It’s like sitting in your house or going out and finding a job.

  • Blackbird

    Well, well, well, #57. Once again you completely go off the issue. “Casual political endorsement of theft”, you say. Just because a party enters a parliament doesn’t necessarily mean it controls it! It just means that it is a representation of the ideals of the people, and if the people want to have filesharing, then so be it. Also, banning violent games? That didn’t just happen in Europe. It happened in Australia, in the US, everywhere where this “copyright” thing seems to be somewhat enforced; it’s merely trend following to gather more votes from the same kind of people that voted for the British National Party.

    Giving in to hundreds of greedy pirates, you say. Giving in indeed. They are giving in to what the people want….and if you don’t want to give in to that, well, you just don’t want democracy. And isn’t that precisely what you’re supposedly trying to defend?

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  • NPI

    @56

    I suppose you’re trying to convince me and others to vote for a PP. If so I gotta tell you that insulting people rarely works.
    You don’t even seem to read my posts from start to finish before you go on these semi-trolling rants. I’m not from the US, and even if I were I don’t see why nationality matters. The fact that I read Danish newspapers should make you wonder if I perhaps was from Denmark, and yes Denmark is a European country.

    Both the green parties and the social democrats were spawned from already established ideologies. Ideologies that have an opinion on just about all political issues and subjects relevant at the time. Piracy is hardly an ideology, it’s a part of one – actually it’s a part of many.

    I’m not suggesting the PP politicians are idiots, what I’m pointing out is that they’ll spend most of their time in parliament voting on issues their electors never heard their opinion on. I don’t know if the member(s) that’ll represent the local PP in parliament are social democrats, Christian democrats, republicans, communists or conservative and quite frankly that bothers me.
    I don’t see any chance that the PP’s will ever develop into a full fledged parties, their members and voters seem to disagree on just about every issue besides copyright and privacy.

    Yes I have read most PP’s programs. And just to make sure I wasn’t wrong, I just visited the Swedish PP’s homepage. The homepage doesn’t explain their views on anything but patent, copyright, copyright related monopolies, privacy and the freedom of speech.

    The PP’s are merely protest parties, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I don’t believe the copyright issue alone is important enough to warrant my vote atm. I share your fear of censorship, but at least hear in Denmark I have plenty of candidates and parties to choose from that I know will represent my view on that subject.

    No matter what fancy insult you cook up next you’re not going to make me vote for any of the PP’s. I am however working on getting our views out there and making some the established politicians/parties change their minds.
    You might think that’s futile and every politician not in a PP is a puppet, but I believe “lobbying” is the way to go.

    You shouldn’t have to choose whether or not you’re a socialist, a conservative etc. OR a pirate, you should have the option to be a socialist pirate or whatever strikes you’re fancy. None of us want to have the army turned into a bunch of buccaneers.

    I don’t see a long term future for the PP’s in modern politics while you clearly do. I suppose time will tell who’s “right”.

  • JTK

    I predict a lot more progress in the future for The Pirate Party!

  • Anon

    Now this is some good news, we are lucky lately with all the good reports :D

  • Just for the record

    Pedophilia isn’t illegal anywhere in the world. Besides, in Germany even textual and fictional child pornography such as loli manga are illegal. Recently, even pornography or material that may be perceived as such that involves persons under 18 – or just persons that appear to be younger than 18 even if they verifiably aren’t – has become illegal albeit with lesser penalities. In Germany only material involving persons under the age of 14 is considered child pornography. Though many people incorrectly assume the barrier is 18 years – the age of consent. Ursula von Leyen repeatedly claimed quite incorrectly that child pornography equals raping young children, even babies, violently in front of a camera. She even mentions bodies being torn apart frequently. The truth is that in Germany child pornography covers a wide range of material including completely fictive
    works, children filming themselves, videos and images created without causing any harm, etc. So 99,99% of all child pornography is clearly not the kind of extreme and brutal images or pictures, Ursula von Leyen is talking about. She always tries to put this into people’s minds though to bypass any reasoning and use their emotions to get their agreement. She’s clearly abusing abused children for her plans which are mainly gaining a lot of prestige and furthemore establishing a government-controlled censorship infrastructure for the internet.

    Also “Freedom of speech” doesn’t exist in Germany. In Germany you only have “Freedom of harmless babble” but not more. There are even well-known, verifiable facts you’re not allowed to lie about. If you do so in public, you’ll be punished as harsh as a rapist or worse.

  • neostyles

    ust because a party enters a parliament doesn’t necessarily mean it controls it! It just means that it is a representation of the ideals of the people, and if the people want to have filesharing, then so be it. Also, banning violent games? That didn’t just happen in Europe. It happened in Australia, in the US, everywhere where this “copyright” thing seems to be somewhat enforced; it’s merely trend following to gather more votes from the same kind of people that voted for the British National Party.

    Still, it shows that their political system considers theft to be a valid advocacy issue. In the states, if there was a political party that went “Hey, guys, let’s all try to get the government to legalize theft!” they would never have half a chance. The fact that the pirate agenda has been allowed to merge with the European political scene says so much about the code of ethics and moral standards they live by.

    Giving in to hundreds of greedy pirates, you say. Giving in indeed. They are giving in to what the people want….and if you don’t want to give in to that, well, you just don’t want democracy. And isn’t that precisely what you’re supposedly trying to defend?

    I want a a politcal party founded on rape! Or.. maybe bank robberies!.. How about money laundering!

  • Shame on you

    neostyles: No, you won’t. You will do nothing at all because you are all talk. You even suck at trolling and you disqualified yourself now that you’ve ridiculed rape victims to make a point. You’re a disgusting person.

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  • Hover

    As long as Tauss isn’t condemned I believe him. And even if he should be condemned, I’m not sure if I’ll believe that judgement. To me he seems like a guy who knows or should know how to hide such material if necessary.

    A guy like Tauss gets charged and has to fear a trial. But Ursula von der Leyen, also know as “Zensursula” (because of that censorship law she and by now others want), showed pictures of CP in publicy and someone pressed charges against her – and they were dropped. She used these kids to get us to agree with her. Isn’t that just as bad?

    I can’t trust something like that…

  • sig

    Hope the Tauss guy isn’t just a cheap poison pill tossed by the SDP…

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