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Pirate Party MEP Proposes ‘Internet Bill of Rights’

The Pirate Party’s Christian Engstrom is already making waves in the European Parliament. After his hard work on the Telecoms Package amendment he’s now working to set up an Internet Bill of Rights, attempting to codify some of the core beliefs of the Pirate Party. To achieve this he wants your help.

Together with Amelia Andersdotter, Christian Engstrom represents the Pirate Party in the European Parliament. He worked hard last month on ensuring judicial review before disconnections or sanctions over file-sharing can take place, and now he’s looking to do more with a proposed Bill of Internet Rights.

The Bill of Internet Rights would cover topics such as Net Neutrality, online privacy and freedom of information. Where possible the bill will take existing legislation as the basis. What makes this different though, is the process he’s using to help develop the document – an “Internet swarm”. Comments, suggestions and questions are all welcomed via his website, to contribute to the development of the document.

“I don’t think the problem is that there are a lot of politicians who actively want to dismount our civil liberties,” Engstrom told TorrentFreak. “It’s just that they haven’t realized that the Internet is an important part of our society, where the fundamental rights have to apply. They think it’s some kind of toy they can take away from the children if they’ve been naughty. The task is to explain to them that this is not an acceptable way of handling the net.”

Pirate MEP Christian Engstrom

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The idea for the bill came from the “Internet Core Group” inside the European Greens, where the proposal has strong support. Engstrom also says that during the negotiations for the Telecom Package there was a lot of talk about the need to safeguard net neutrality, so he feels hopeful about this proposal.

“When it comes to safeguarding the fundamental civil liberties, such as the right to privacy and information freedom – well, that’s a fight we just have to win,” Engstrom said. According to the current planning, the Bill of Rights will be ready for proposal in the spring of 2010.

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  • The Bats

    Is this not “old news”?

  • keepfighting

    no its not and shut up.. let them keep fighting for our rights lets alll fight along them

  • The Bats

    @ Keepfighting

    One of the rights we’re fighting for is freedom of speech – telling people to “shut up” makes you look like a troll.

  • Admin

    lol @ 3

  • Ahmed1337x

    Pirates 4 Life!! :D :P

  • Art

    Good luck, we all know its needed. you’ll need it – if it even passes it won’t help. Too much water (read $$) under the bridge.

    https://xerobank.com/docs/blackhat17.pdf

  • Kitty Kat

    Way 2 go. Been doing my part and will continue to press for rights on the net http://www.sharevirus.com

  • in.cog.nito

    REPRESENT!

  • a/s/l

    the problem with the pirate party is, that what they want is a fair copyright system for everyone. this contradicts what us pirates want, which is basically to be able to get everything for free. the pirate party will never be able to get any legislation through that will please me.

  • whoo FLung Dung

    Well a/s/l what right do you have to get everything for free?

    Do you work for free, steal your bandwidth? Steal your PC/Laptop and the CDs/DVDs you burn all your “free” files on?

    I thought the “fight” was for better/cheaper access to content.

    You demean everyones efforts

  • handyandy

    Right to anonymity

    Freedom of Speech

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    I can hardly wait to see what it will be like. They probably just be an attempt to write popular “file sharing” excuses into law :

    “Anything that you find on the internet is free.”

    “No one owns anything as long as it can be found on the internet.”

    “As long as the person isn’t making money off of it, it should be legal, because obviously if they aren’t making any money, the rights holder van’t be losing any money.”

    “Copyright shall be temporarily abolished whenever we feel like it.”

    “Copyright doesn’t apply to the internet.”

    “Paying for things is an ‘outdated business mode’ and we have a newer buisiness model : people don’t pay for anything. Clearly much more up to date with the information age.”

    “Rights holders earn money because money falls out of the sky. So you don’t have to pay them.”

  • Benny

    I hope this passes. Internet has started the process of becoming a civil right. And it should. Same laws to tapping my Phone line should apply to tapping into my surfing. should be illegal and all the anti-piracy outfits should go to jail for it.

    The extreme responses to “piracy” we are getting around the world is whats stopping man evolution. the real enemy here is not the people. but the big enterprises.
    share then we are doing something very right. Sharing is the way to world peace and internet is a very easy way to teach that to the world. so if your are stopping me of teaching good to the kids then you are very well asking for war.

  • rakiru

    @3

    i loled

  • Capn

    @10

    I agree with you. No matter what happens there’ll always be naysayers who disagree with the proposed solution. I’ve grown up paying for my content. Owning 120+ CDs at ~$20/disk isn’t cheap. I have paid for stuff in the past and I’m *Willing to* in the future. But not with this current system. Artists get fucked while corporate labels line their pockets lying and cheating their way around the rules.

    Give power back to the people and get off your monopolistic ass and I’ll start becoming a consumer again.

  • x3style

    @3 Actually it makes him look like an hypocrite just like the MAFIAA. They scream they are losing money and the pirates need to pay and on the other side they pirate and don’t pay they’re own artists.

  • NDyA

    @9:

    We do not want free content. We just want a good alternative and have our rights respected. Right now, there are technologies that forbids us to do what we want with content we have paid for (i’m talking about DRM). Access to information or entertainment is offten limited to certain localisation (like Hulu in USA). Many people have to wait for their favourite shows to be emited in their home country an year or more.

    If content providers would listen to their customers instead of sueing them, we wouldn’t have such horrible piracy problem.

  • Ninja

    @ 9 Dec 09, 2009 at 22:00 by a/s/l

    Speak for yourself. If you want everything free then please hand me your computer, I should have it for free too.

    The point is not having stuff for free but paying sane prices and being able to choose what you’ll buy. Most of us, except for you and the likes, will buy the content once its available for a price we consider fair. Obviously the price I consider fair for a CD from those rappers is zero. Which won’t be the case for the people that like this genre and they’ll probably think metal and j-pop are worthless crap – genres I’d spend my money happily to have.

    However that’s not really what is in discussion there as far as I could understand. It’s the neutrality. Like, providers shouldn’t be held responsible for anything that runs trough their cables, just like the road administrators aren’t held responsible for the illegal cargo that are transported through their roads.

    They shouldn’t do traffic shaping too. It’s like not allowing your trailer to pass because it’s heavier than a car and it’s gonna make the maintenance on the road more expensive. Don’t shape, offer plans for heavy users instead.

    Lastly but not least, internet has become part of our lives in a way that the lack of it can actually be harming. So there is a connection with human rights there.

    I hope they succeed. One step at a time.

  • Xcel

    Well, Pirate or no, its a step in the right direction and support for him would be a good thing, especially from all of you that actually live there….

    I mean really, I read tons of complaints about how the government is treating everybody like crap, and when someone finally steps up to do something(anything at all would be good)about it, we get comments like #9 by a/s/l…

    This bill of rights needs to be supported ppl….

  • Pook

    Keep fighting the bastards off Christian!

  • john doe

    @9…

    “Free” isn’t the word I’d use. Every file I’ve downloaded “for free” , I’ve already paid for TWICE – with bandwidth AND the obligatory storage media tax. If I want to, say, burn it on a CD, I pay the same tax AGAIN; even if I own all rights to the content.

    So yeah, it’s a looong stretch from “free”.

    No, the freedoms we want are from unrightful persecution, attribution of guilt without a fair trial, suppression of free speech and the invasion of privacy supposedly done for our own benefit. THIS is what it means to be “free”.

    Hm, an idealistic political underdog against a horde of corporate fatcats* – if you know your history, you know they have NO CHANCE of winning. ;)

    * I keep using that word, even though I prefer cats to dogs. Shame on me.

  • iSlave

    Good work.
    Until then I’ll boycott them.

  • kabuki0009

    It’s about time some started the march in the (rights) direction ; )

  • free4me

    am in xx

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  • Ha

    Engstrom FTW ;)

  • pirated

    @15

    Hulu is limited to the US because of the way the commercials are. All the advertisers are selling to Americans. It would be a waste of their money to pay for ads for goods and services that can be bought in the US, except the viewer isn’t there and thereby cannot buy it.

    Furthermore it was set up as a joint venture between Fox and NBC, and has content on it that they have rights to in the US. This is made easy since alot of this they were the producers of and simply can inherently do what they want with it. They can’t just essentially pirate that content from the local affiliates that have the rights to, most likely, different sets of content. They would have to go to each country, figure out who has the rights for what, wait until a similar amount of time has passed since it aired in that country that they did in the US (else TV stations lose traffic because people can simply watch it online months ahead of time) make the deals to cut these places into the profits for advertisers; and finally find local advertisers to do things. That is an extraordinary amount of stuff that they would have to do. Most likely if they did any of this it would be easier to do it in places like Canada, Australia and probably Brazil and the UK. Why? Similar scales of area of the country where they could get to more people while dealing with the least number of distributers.

    This is similar to why in the US sattelite cable companies were forced to drop the major channels that come over the air unless the could get the local versions. They originally started with the ‘master’ feed from NBC, CBS, ABC etc. Then the local affiliates complained that they had been completely cut out of the structure for ad revenue and local ads and whatnot. For quite some time getting a sattelite service meant that you were simply without these channels.

    You can’t just demand things without thinking about how things really work and why it isn’t practical. If it were easy for them to do they would since it really does mean more money for them.

  • Guy ripper

    @9 Pirates will never get everything and anything for free.. even the stuff they say pirates are getting for free is not free.. it all has costs.. download a movie? you need a computer, time to learn about it, time to find movie, an internet connection, time, blank disc, computer space, codecs, etc.. in the end, you get a bad rip off copy of poor quality. It all has a substantial cost. If the content providers made this process easier, of higher quality and for a competitive price, piracy would vanish because legit would be “where it’s at”. Shove that in your pipes media clowns. smoke it. taste it. think about it. make it happen!

  • xD

    Oh noes TPB is taking over the world.
    :D

  • Drake3

    “You can’t just demand things without thinking about how things really work and why it isn’t practical. If it were easy for them to do they would since it really does mean more money for them.”

    You can when piracy makes it easy.

    I’m just sad that it is cheaper and easier for them to attempt to shut piracy than to rework their convoluted system.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘The idea for the bill came from the “Internet Core Group” inside the European Greens,’

    Which isn’t the pirate party MEP at question.

  • Frenchie

    The French Pirate Party is already working on a similar project.

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  • anon2

    i just hope he is successful and it applies to everywhere. the last thing needed would be for useless little twats like Sarkozy of France ignoring what everyone else agrees to.

  • jon7272

    ive almost given up on downloading ill sorry legal stuff how many movies music tv shows do you want ive added up the cost of bigger hard drives cd cases blank dvds high bandwidth internet plans.trying to find new ways to hide my activity. its all not worth it for me any more.i will just watch my pay tv .and console myself with the thousands of ill sorry legal movies and music and tv shows

  • youreallidiots

    this ‘bill of rights’ has nothing to do with pirating media or copyright.

    he makes it very clear the it is about net neutrality, privacy and freedom of expression.

    net neutrality is the obligation of ISPs not to favour or vary charges and resources based on the content being provided.

    privacy should be obvious. ISPs not disclosing users details without proper judicial processes, etc.

    freedom of expression is a world without censorship.

    he also mentions on his site he is interested in protecting ISPs from prosecution as the internet is a conduit, much like a road or a telephone or a mail service.

    stop bickering like children about unrelated bullshit.

  • knux

    @9

    You’re speaking for yourself, not the majority. To be quite honest, most people would be fine with copyright laws that were fair, having a limit to them and allowing for a hard definition of what FAIR USE really is… For instance, the definition of using material for your own personal and education benefit should be considered fair use by default.

    In your definition, that would be your free shit clause.

  • Anonymous

    @24

    Easily solved, allow for international companies to advertize there or even keep it as it is and the current companies will just have to adjust by starting to export their goods abroad. Simple.

    Only reason other entities on other countries have those rights is because Fox and NBC sold them to them in the fist place.

    Show it on TV put it on the Web and allow for everyone to watch it. That is the purpose of the Internet.

    If repeating content was such a hole in the budgets they would not keep showing the same movies every year or show reruns of series.

  • knux

    @25

    To play devil’s advocate, the last time I payed anything “computer, ISP, time, blank discs, quality” for something I “pirated” / shared, was almost 3 years ago. Seriously, it takes about a minute to find a quality release of anything, I bought my craptastic computer 3 years ago, wireless is typically free and blank discs? I thought piracy was the whole anti-pollution group against plastic discs! WTF!

  • A_Pickle

    Hailing from the United States here, I sure we had some folks like you in our “policy making” body that we call Congress.

    Any “Internet Bill of Rights” is certainly a forward and necessary step, I would go so far as to say that this should be implemented internet-wide (globally).

    My only real suggestion is to add a meaningful amendment that protects the internet user’s right to deathly strong encryption. We have the technology to keep our hard drives safe from prying government eyes, so protecting that right is (I think) one of the first orders of business. The use of encryption to conceal local data (as on a hard drive, flash memory, or optical media) as well as to secure outbound network communications SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Encryption is like a far less bloody techie version of the right to bear arms, it enables the citizen to protect him or herself from misused power. That misuse of power can come from government, corporations (ISP’s, RIAA/MPAA’s of the world, etc.) and more — and people need the right to defend themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Right to anonymity

    Freedom of Speech

    I agree with that

  • \\.neo.styles|sSG

    We do not want free content. We just want a good alternative and have our rights respected. Right now, there are technologies that forbids us to do what we want with content we have paid for (i’m talking about DRM). Access to information or entertainment is offten limited to certain localisation (like Hulu in USA). Many people have to wait for their favourite shows to be emited in their home country an year or more.

    Have you ever asked yourself why so many things are DRMed? Maybe it’s because there are so many people out there who think that they are entitled to whatever they want and think that everything is free because they want it to be? With DRM, they are simply trying to protect their work. Wouldn’t you?

    The pirate party has never mentioned getting things for free, but it’s implied in their name. Pirates, as we all know, are people who download things without paying for them. Obviously, they didn’t choose to have “pirate” in their name by coincidence. Many, many of the pirate part’s (Canada and England’s pirate party) are also trying to “legalize noncommercial file sharing.” It’s complete and utter bs. Political parties are springing up all over the world, with morally asinine messages about “everything should be free.” It’s almost too ridiculous to be true. Illegal file sharing has gone from a group of “armchair activists” quietly circumventing the law to a bunch of very vocal people standing in the streets, indignantly chanting that their rights are being violated when they are asked to pay for things. Piracy becomes more ridiculous ever day. These people are no better than those who claim that the Earth is flat. Pretty soon they will want piracy to be written into the US constitutions and and the pirate bay logo to be printed on every major currency.

    Encryption is like a far less bloody techie version of the right to bear arms, it enables the citizen to protect him or herself from misused power.

    ..More like a misplaced sense of security. The second amendment is great when it comes to self defense and protecting against a home invasion, but do you really think that someone with a gun is any match for the a tank? Encyption is the same. Every heard of the FBI? They investigate infringement. Along with local law enforcement, they can and will catch you. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluding themselves. Running from the law always fails.

    An internet bill of rights sounds good on paper, but considering that it is coming from a Pirate Party, I have doubts about what the purpose behind it really is.

    I’m just sad that it is cheaper and easier for them to attempt to shut piracy than to rework their convoluted system.

    Im sure it would also be easier to legalize robbery, drunk driving, or anyother crime than fight it. The reason why they are fighting it is because it will eventually benefit rights holders. When infringement laws are brought into the information age and people who benefited from stealing from others are brought to justice, they will be able to enjoy the rewards of their own work. Achieving anything positive takes money.

    @9…

    “Free” isn’t the word I’d use. Every file I’ve downloaded “for free” , I’ve already paid for TWICE – with bandwidth AND the obligatory storage media tax. If I want to, say, burn it on a CD, I pay the same tax AGAIN; even if I own all rights to the content.

    Your bandwidth costs don’t suddenly increase when you download copyrighted material. Everyone pays for their internet, even if you just use it to google things. And how does any of that money you spend go to the rights holder?

    No, the freedoms we want are from unrightful persecution, attribution of guilt without a fair trial, suppression of free speech and the invasion of privacy supposedly done for our own benefit. THIS is what it means to be “free”.

    In other words, you want to take other people’s things without paying and have them look the other way? Can I have your TV?

  • You can’t hide anymore

    @.\\na.zi|sSGuard
    Try reading this article for more info on the real pirates behind the theivery you are so quick to point out!

    Record Labels Face $6 Billion Damages for Pirating Artists

  • FreeSCV at opensourceg.com

    “These people are no better than those who claim that the Earth is flat.”

    @41, except you got it backwards, the ones trying to prevent copies of music, movies, e-books, and use intellectual poverty laws to try and criminalize normal every day video viewing (tv shows, movies, whatever)…..THESE guys think the world is flat and still fits on cd/dvd.

    500 media guys in America trying to push global laws by buying our laws while 330,000,000 are sick of being pushed around by the media trolls under the bridge demanding payment for access.

    you can’t have it without paying first.

    it’s really unnecessary. why prevent another when there is no digital format to even use atm?

    where are the legit p2p websites offering to “let” me use my bandwidth and keeping 1:1 ratios AND pay for the song/movie/e-book without drm restricting it’s use?

    the drm free version is a better version. you buy it in the stores, you can’t even trust the legal copy so you hunt for the drm free game online b/c it’s repackaged by some coder, drm free.

    “And how does any of that money you spend go to the rights holder?”

    I figured that was the main reason yer on here quite often. No problem with you making money but no need to attack those who’d never buy it anyways. They’d simply do without b/c they’d never buy art. Well the media trolls who bought congressmen with their shiny gold will only last so long.

    Can you imagine what happens next when 330,000,000 not only demand encryption on their lines b/c media guys think they can sue the world but also want a real vote, alongside the measly few hundred congressmen’s vote get put up vs the citizen’s vote?

    I still believe they should be paid for live performances but anything Internet, like a/s/l, #9 commenter, I believe restricting free content is a sin. Against the very wishes of God even. It’s unAmerican, It’s not noble, and even the military wouldn’t like it. Yer not against them are you? :P

    Seriously, what right do “I” have to the free content??? (which has been paid, 1200 bucks/year for Internet service? Just b/c yer not getting yer cut ain’t my fault)

    What right do you have to restrict content of a file, copied from your cd? It’s really none of yer business what someone does with THEIR copy of the media. Keep yours, no one STOLE anything FROM you, just bought a dvd from Wal-mart, didn’t like the drm, and instead of ripping it to .avi file format they download the .avi. Or hell, just download the .avi, you guys gonna get on offering free ad supported versions of same quality? They’ll get ripped either way and if it’s free or nothing I’d support you guys by watching SOME comercials. :)

    Ya all citizens, being demonized as evil “Pirates” just want to watch tv and the networks have been holding out on the VAST amounts of media out there. Trying to put a control system in place instead of going all you tube and just doing what they should, give the path of LEAST resistance to the media we all love.

    One day, daily voting! Pirate Party, add THAT to your platform and steal the vote! Give the power of making laws to the hands of the public.

    (under the leaders naturally, they “can” ignore the interneted daily vote as THEY vote, but then they get booted from office for not representing the MAJORITY population, not some measly 500 media trolls trying to prevent quality video streaming, peer to peer file sharing, throttling down the speeds of paid services. all KINDSA crap!)

    Internet bill of rights? Hope they include daily voting to the mix! Get the entire globe voting on their website each day on things important to them would be nice. Better censuses, is plural censuses called sensi? lmao.

    Call it Sensi! :D

  • Stinky

    Really? Really? ENOUGH about the pirate bay. WHO cares?

    WHO CARES?

    ENOUGH ALREADY with TPB!

  • The Power of the Magic Poodle

    @ \\.neo.styles|sSG

    Hopefully TPP has an easier and successful time explaining things to the politicians than we have with you and your aliases.

  • Yatti420

    “net neutrality is the obligation of ISPs not to favour or vary charges and resources based on the content being provided.”

    Bell and Rogers don’t know the meaning of net neutrality in Canada.. They are gonna milk canadians until the last possible drop.. I am really hoping the govt will step in and initiate a new fiber plan or something.. Cause we know Bell\Rogers wont.. Docsis 3.0 is probably another 5-10 years away if Rogers can keep on milkin.. There is absoloutly no such thing as net neutrality in Canada.. Period..

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  • Yatti420

    @ neo style nazi..

    “Have you ever asked yourself why so many things are DRMed? Maybe it’s because there are so many people out there who think that they are entitled to whatever they want and think that everything is free because they want it to be? With DRM, they are simply trying to protect their work. Wouldn’t you?”

    Ill break your post down as usual.. Things are so much less DRMd today then they were 5 years ago.. Less intrusive aswell.. DRM isn’t a lock to stop pirates its a lock to hinder consumers like you.. It doesn’t affect people who obtain it elsewhere.. The fact that an artists would have DRM on the CDs etc makes it all the worse.. Sony Rootkit disaster anybody? This only discredits your dear industry.. Even Apple told them they are done with DRM or they are gone.. The Big 4 drop the DRM ofcourse.. At this point in time it’s just about milking the consumer.. I am not one to stand up for it.. I pay for my right to download IMO via tarriff on all forms of storage etc in Canada..

    “The pirate party has never mentioned getting things for free, but it’s implied in their name. Pirates, as we all know, are people who download things without paying for them. Obviously, they didn’t choose to have “pirate” in their name by coincidence. Many, many of the pirate part’s (Canada and England’s pirate party) are also trying to “legalize noncommercial file sharing.” It’s complete and utter bs. Political parties are springing up all over the world, with morally asinine messages about “everything should be free.” It’s almost too ridiculous to be true. Illegal file sharing has gone from a group of “armchair activists” quietly circumventing the law to a bunch of very vocal people standing in the streets, indignantly chanting that their rights are being violated when they are asked to pay for things. Piracy becomes more ridiculous ever day. These people are no better than those who claim that the Earth is flat. Pretty soon they will want piracy to be written into the US constitutions and and the pirate bay logo to be printed on every major currency.”

    Well mr neo nazy boy butt patter.. Your post on the pirate parties is irrelevant.. You haven’t researched the party at all and therefore can’t make conclusion or opinion..

    As we have told you countless times before.. Different places have different laws.. For example my dear Canada is not about to adopt your DMCA .. All my content is generally covered under all the tariffs canadian consumers pay for blank media.. Where do you think tariff money goes to? Certainly not the artists because CRIA would have those 300 000 tracks paid off by now..

    I figured id reply to your view on Canada’s pirate party.. You don’t have one clue what your talking about do you? You don’t research at all do you? You would make a very biased journalist.. See my post above regarding canadian tariffs.. Aslong as we dont distribute like actual physical media pirates the govt is never going to charge us etc.. Its basically fair use\ grey zone..

    “More like a misplaced sense of security. The second amendment is great when it comes to self defense and protecting against a home invasion, but do you really think that someone with a gun is any match for the a tank? Encyption is the same. Every heard of the FBI? They investigate infringement. Along with local law enforcement, they can and will catch you. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluding themselves. Running from the law always fails.”

    Do you have proof that the FBI investigates Piracy? OH WAIT .. YOu mean physical piracy? THe kind that actually hurts people? Actually they don’t even investigate this unless some1 is really bored ;) Look it up .. Research.. Your a joke for spewing words with no proof.. FBI has farrr better things to do then to waste time hunting down physical pirates in the US.. Local law enforcement deals with them in major cities as you already know.. As for the govt ever looking at my computers.. That is not possible.. I block them all.. Haha eat that..

    “Achieving anything positive takes money.”

    This shows how arrogant and naive you really are.. Just like The Movie INK and Nasty Old Poeple.. costs almost 1\1000th of a hollywood film.. Ink itself tookdown every single hollywood movie on imdb.. Yet hollywood claims this movie has no market lol.. It beat ALL their movies.. Every single one!.. You dont here Jamin or Kiowa complaining do you?

    “In other words, you want to take other people’s things without paying and have them look the other way? Can I have your TV?”

    Can I have your genitalia? You can’t be breeding i’m sorry.. Your like the old grandparent who is so racist in his ways.. yet their grandkids who grew up in mixed and sharing world arent’ racist one bit.. Worst off you spew bs as fact and don’t provide any proof..

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  • john doe

    @43… “Can I have your TV?”

    No, neo.nazi, you cannot, but I’ll gladly give you a copy of the schematics, so that you can make your own, provided of course, I HAD THEM MYSELF.

    My cable bill also doesn’t increase whether I watch TV or not – it’s “implied” that I pay for the SERVICE, not the exact content.

    As @42 pointed out, considering the “6 Billion Dollars” lawsuit AGAINST the CRIA, looks like robbery has already BEEN legalized, but only for the benefit of the fatcats… and yourself, apparently. Funny how you didn’t cry foul THERE, isn’t it?

    Face it – you’re not winning ANY arguments here… and you’re DEFINITELY not winning any friends.

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  • Jeeebus

    I dont like radio as the people chatting away annoy me, tv has a similar problem; the endless advertisments.
    Rather than recive either of those services which are broadcast for free(Tv lisences are not required for people living in caravans).
    I use my laptop to acess similar content, without (most of) the annoying bits.
    Information is being brodcast, I don’t think I should be blamed if I pick up the signal and relay it.

    @neo.styles; You cant have my tv but you can watch it if its on.

    Thas my point o view on “piracy” (a term I think should only be applied when the pirates make a profit from pirating)
    PS now that the pirate party guy is emploied by government surely he should b discribed as a privateer. lol.

  • Nuno Rafael Relvão

    Have you ever asked yourself why so many things are DRMed? Maybe it’s because there are so many people out there who think that they are entitled to whatever they want and think that everything is free because they want it to be? With DRM, they are simply trying to protect their work. Wouldn’t you?[/quote]

    Actually no, the proof is that in so far any attempt at DRM has been breached soon enough by those who do it. What it does is stiffle the freedom of mobility for those who actually acquire them legally. Why does it have to be prohibited that having I bought a CD I cannot make a copy in order to preserve the original one while listening to the copy in my car radio? Apparentçy I do not possess that freedom, to that is strange. And everyone that does this are PIRATES. I risk saying that it would be almost everyone living in societies with such a technological level and life style.

    For more on “pirates” see my next refute of your backward thinking.

    [quote]The pirate party has never mentioned getting things for free, but it’s implied in their name. Pirates, as we all know, are people who download things without paying for them. Obviously, they didn’t choose to have “pirate” in their name by coincidence. Many, many of the pirate part’s (Canada and England’s pirate party) are also trying to “legalize noncommercial file sharing.” It’s complete and utter bs. Political parties are springing up all over the world, with morally asinine messages about “everything should be free.” It’s almost too ridiculous to be true. Illegal file sharing has gone from a group of “armchair activists” quietly circumventing the law to a bunch of very vocal people standing in the streets, indignantly chanting that their rights are being violated when they are asked to pay for things. Piracy becomes more ridiculous ever day. These people are no better than those who claim that the Earth is flat. Pretty soon they will want piracy to be written into the US constitutions and and the pirate bay logo to be printed on every major currency.[/quote]

    Actually the name came exactly as a mockery of the devil-ization made by the right holders of any file-sharer on the Internet. By appropriating the so witch-hunt-ish name these parties are both diminishing the power of the word and thus the argument of the companies and at the same time becoming a rallying point for all those that revolt against such at democracy as we have been witnessing.

    Further more non-commercial file sharing IS legal, if I (or anyone else) make a .pdf or a .avi it can then be legally shared via P2P or more specifically via torrent. No crime there. The issue only arises over copyrighted content. But that is another business and no matter on which side you are an Internet Bill of Rights is needed and should get the support of every and any democratic citizen.

    [quote]..More like a misplaced sense of security. The second amendment is great when it comes to self defense and protecting against a home invasion, but do you really think that someone with a gun is any match for the a tank? Encyption is the same. Every heard of the FBI? They investigate infringement. Along with local law enforcement, they can and will catch you. Anyone who believes otherwise is deluding themselves. Running from the law always fails.[/quote]

    They are still the FBI which incidentally does not exist in the EU and they still need a warrant from a court to invade your privacy. No one wants to run from the law, we want nevertheless our rights to be upheld even in the digital world.

    [quote]An internet bill of rights sounds good on paper, but considering that it is coming from a Pirate Party, I have doubts about what the purpose behind it really is.[/quote]

    The purpose is everyone’s right to freedom of privacy, presumption of innocence, due course and

    [quote]Im sure it would also be easier to legalize robbery, drunk driving, or anyother crime than fight it. The reason why they are fighting it is because it will eventually benefit rights holders. When infringement laws are brought into the information age and people who benefited from stealing from others are brought to justice, they will be able to enjoy the rewards of their own work. Achieving anything positive takes money.[/quote]

    No, he said that fighting piracy was easier than to work it out, so that would mean that it is easier to fight robbery, drugs, etc than to actually solve it (which is actually true as well).

    Is an illegal file-sharer really robbing? For one it is just binary code that he copies, no money was spent on a means (CD, DVD, iPod, etc) and as it is the rights that you pay for are exactly for the use of a means not the content (this is what companies use to justify DRM btw) so if the tax is on the means, “no physical means” should mean no rights, no fees (by the copyright holders’ arguments themselves). Then CDs, DVDs, Books, etc are very strange means for copyright since they are what I call infinite reproductions, this means that by opposition of Art where the single piece (which the artist made) has the inherent value that copies do not (and are therefore much less valuable) with this new means (books are old but new press tech is not) a creator can exponentially receive payment for a single creation. Something is very wrong when multi million dollar singers complain that they do not receive enough when teachers, police officers and fireman do not even have the right to a half of what this artists receive. It just means they are being overpaid already. As for small/beginning artists having their work spread virally on the Internet is the best thing they can go for them and the fact they get their content shared and acquired free of charge is just a payment for this global advertisement system.

    [quote]Your bandwidth costs don’t suddenly increase when you download copyrighted material. Everyone pays for their internet, even if you just use it to google things. And how does any of that money you spend go to the rights holder?[/quote]

    As the above poster pointed out you also do not pay more or less tv for the content you watch or even if you watch anything at all that month, the bill is just there. Why is the media of Internet any different than the media of TV? The problem there might be the economic system of the ISPs that basically profit from all the content of the Internet (since people use ISPs to access that content) without having to pay for it. They get paid monthly by all users just for a one time laying down of the wire infrastructure… no wonder they all become mega corporations.

    [quote]In other words, you want to take other people’s things without paying and have them look the other way? Can I have your TV?[/quote]

    No, but we do want the need for a court issued warrant to search my property (i.e. hard drives and traffic) and a guilty sentence before any action is taken against me and/or my property. We also want freedom of internet use even if found guilty (this allows for employment, shopping and education for a lot of people and should not be subjected to legal prosecution).

    More akin to your analogy would be for me to be able to forbid you to watch your tv on the grounds that you had stole it from me without any proof and before you were found guilty of the charge.

    I also want to add (seeing I am almost in the process of writing a manifesto here anyway ^^ long post huh?) that as some other posters pointed out the content industry is actually the ones stealing from the creators and are receive the big, BIG cut of all profits by being nothing more than middle-men. The fact that they get to milk all creators and their creation until 70 YEARS!!! after their death is more than laughable (almost cryable really).

    Off-topic, copyright should remain always in the possession of the creator until death and only being rentable to companies on 5 year terms where upon completion renegotiation should take place. This would be in everyone’s best interest and much more fair.

    What also must be understood is that it has been proved (by an UK scientific study that all groups against file-sharing are not able to refute and therefore just ignore in any statement) the most active file-sharers are also the ones legally buying more content on Stores (physical or digital). This validates the claim that even illegal file sharing is much more an advertisement virtue than a profit flaw.

    Guess it is everything for now… Thank you for your time ^^

  • AnarchyNow

    I want choice: the choice not to pay to watch a movie ONCE, not to pay every time I want to listen to some shitty music, etc…

  • JTK

    Woo, Pirate Party on the job yet again!

  • d00d

    All data should be treated equally, no “priority” assignments. FIFO mentality.

    The right to express opinion shall not be infringed.

    The doctrine of “Fair Use” should be applied at all times.

    The right of sale and resale of software should apply.

    Corporations should be held accountable for violations of rights to obtain information on illegal activities.

    License for use of media should automatically grant license to transfer to another medium.

    Outlandish fines for violations must come to a halt.

  • Borderliner

    I think people should finally throw off that “everything´s free” mentality that´s been force onto them and embrace what “Pirate” means today: someone who stands up for his/her/their digital freedoms. It´s long past just getting free stuff, it´s keeping the possibility of free thought, speech, opinion, religion (in which ever formit might manifest itself in the digital world), ideas, creations etc alive in current times when they´re being crushed to death.
    Be a Pirate, a free soul on this endless Digital Ocean, who rather dies than allows his/her freedom to be taken away.
    “Aaaargggg!”, I say.

  • Anonymous

    ”…information is a perhaps the highest refined state of energy, and as such, man has no object in trying to control it, nor has he any success in this endeavor, ever. As such, any information that has found its way into public domain, through means legal or not, is to be considered free and uncontrollable. Moreover, any person that through direct action, or through lack of thereof, facilitates the distribution of information thus it, is to understand that he/she loses control over the information for all and any purposes [...]
    [...] Time has come for man to see that there are things above his control, no matter his status or his prowess. Faced with a multitude of spirits demanding the information, willing and able to do all in their power to obtain it, not even the Sun can obliterate their access. This is truly the testing ground for the personality of the private entrepreneur and his understanding of the age of the free Internet. This defines his way of communicating and conducting business with the generation that grew up to understand that nothing is truly impossible or hidden.”

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  • h33t

    @56 where is that quote from please?

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  • The Old Codger

    @9 a/s/l

    Have you actually read the suggestions on the site, if not do so because what you wish for is one of the suggestions put forward.

    Furthermore if you want to make a suggestion the go to the site and post your comment.

    No use moaning if you don’t say/vote

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  • Trelew

    We could use something like this and hopefully the various governments will carefully consider this before going forward with any decision on copyrights and net neutrality issues. But sadly, they probably won’t because most governments have been corrupted by Big Business.

    If corporations get their way, concepts like “fair use” and “public domain” will go the way of the dodo. Image our taxes going up because school libraries and public libraries will have to pay the corporate piper. I wouldn’t be surprised to see these SOB try to collect for singing your nation anthem.

    Despite corporations saying they are protecting the rights of artists and content creators, what they are really protecting is their greed and control of power.

  • Lord HAAAha

    No one owns the truth it is in common by all peoples from all time and place regardless of government race or creed. The criminals hide behind laws and power taking you right to be human away for a buck. The music and writers existed before copyright existed, find the truth of history and tell me what you find I expect you personally to take responsibility for this and to report back. When did this start what is the excuse given for its existence? Report! Do you think you know? You are being used. Time for a re think of so called copyright as the ability to copy is not held only by a capital intensive industry cutting trees making pulp paper setting type by hand and filling warehouses with bound tomes to be distributed. It is a new world indeed. Time for changes not more evil crap from politicians.

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