Pirate Party Wins and Enters The European Parliament
Written by Ernesto on June 07, 2009The Pirate Party has won a huge victory in the Swedish elections and is marching on to Brussels. After months of campaigning against well established parties, the Pirate Party has gathered enough votes to be guaranteed a seat in the European Parliament.
When the Swedish Pirate Party was founded in early 2006, the majority of the mainstream press were skeptical, with some simply laughing it away. But they were wrong to dismiss this political movement out of hand. Today, the Pirate Party accomplished what some believed to be the impossible, by securing a seat in the European Parliament.
With 99.9% of the districts counted the Pirates have 7.1 percent of the votes, beating several established parties. This means that the Pirate Party will get at least one, but most likely two of the 18 (+2) available seats Sweden has at the European Parliament.
When we asked Pirate Party leader Rick Falkvinge about the outcome, he told TorrentFreak: “We’ve felt the wind blow in our sails. We’ve seen the polls prior to the election. But to stand here, today, and see the figures coming up on that screen… What do you want me to say? I’ll say anything”
“Together, we have today changed the landscape of European politics. No matter how this night ends, we have changed it,” Falkvinge said. “This feels wonderful. The citizens have understood it’s time to make a difference. The older politicians have taken apart young peoples’ lifestyle, bit by bit. We do not accept that the authorities’ mass-surveillance,” he added.
Rick Falkvinge celebrating tonight’s election win
The turnout at the elections is 43 percent, a little higher than the at the 2004 elections. This would mean that roughly 200,000 Swedes have voted for the Pirate Party. This is a huge increase compared to the national elections of 2006 where the party got 34,918 votes.
Both national and international press have gathered in Stockholm where the Pirate Party is celebrating its landmark victory.
Falkvinge answering questions
At least partially, The Pirate Party puts its increased popularity down to harsh copyright laws and the recent conviction of the people behind The Pirate Bay. After the Pirate Bay verdict, Pirate Party membership more than tripled and they now have over 48,000 registered members, more than the total number of votes they received in 2006.
With their presence in Brussels, the Pirate Party hopes to reduce the abuses of power and copyright at the hands of the entertainment industries, and make those activities illegal instead. On the other hand they hope to legalize file-sharing for personal use.
Arrrr
“It’s great fun to be a pirate right now”, Christian Engström, Vice Chairman of the Pirate Party told the press when he arrived.
Update: Sweden has 20 seats, but until the Lisbon treaty passes only 18 with voting rights. This means that the Pirate Party will have 2 seats.
Update: In Germany the Pirate Party got approximately 1 percent of the votes, not enough for a seat in the European Parliament. Andreas Popp, lead candidate for the German Pirate Party is pleased and told TorrentFreak: “This was the first time, we ran for the European elections. And although many voters have hardly known us, we got a great result. This shows, that many citizens identify themselves with our goals. I want to thank all people who supported us, we could not have done that without them. We have fulfilled our minimal goal of 0,5%. Now we can start up for real!”
Update: Here’s a feature article on the election night and outcome.
Previously: Pirate Bay Nemesis Has Name Changed By Pranksters
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227 Responses
Let’s legalize pirate bay in the EU now! I can pay 5€ per month to make it legal, pay artists with that. Problem solved.
GO PIRATEPARTY
Way to go.
Full support to Pirate Party! Now that’s what I call freedom of speech, and most importantly, privacy!
YES!!!! *huge grin*
One seat is kind of guaranteed,
I’m hoping for two … or three!
Makes me proud to know i helped in voting for them!
hell yea that is awesome.
@1 Charbax
5€/month? Come on. I’m glad the pirate party won, and am absolutely pro-piracy, but 5€? How much is your entertainment worth to you? 5€ a month and that’s it? Devided equally among artists? Quality will reduce by the day that way.
These vistories, and the popularity of the net to get entertainment ask for people to think of new ways for artists to make fair profit based on their quality of material, and allow more and cheaper access to materials via among things, reduced costs of materials possibly lower marketing costs and a growing market, but expect to pay a little more than 5€ a month for quality to stay good and increase.
HELL YEAH!!! Finally anti-copyright in the EU Parliament :D
I WANT THIS TOO IN MA COUNTRY BABAY
One political “expert” here in Finland just a moment ago cited the Swedish Pirate Party as “party of the computer nerds”. Made me laugh.
Hate to rain on your parade, but the results aren’t out yet. These are poll results.
5€ per month could be a start price, just implement a EU law that taxes 5€ per month on the ISP bill. Then later, once that first 5€ is implemented correctly and you see the first few billions distributed directly to the artists (through independent measurements of popularity and quality accross all p2p activities), then you can go up a notch, charge more than 5€ per month and charge through normal taxes that everyone should pay based on their income and fortune levels, not only through the ISP. Basically a tax for access to unlimited culture on the Internet, basically a tax for an online library that gives unlimited and legal free access to all works of art, articles, books anything online, legally.
Fuck ye!
‘little more than 5€ a month for quality to stay good and increase.’
If its good quality they can get more than 5€ a month from me. All they have to do is put on the concerts and I’ll buy the ticket and merchandise.
Now it is official:
http://svt.se/2.109698/1.1585838/valu_piratpartiet_stora_skrallen?lid=puff_1585850&lpos=bild
This is an historic election and I think Sweden has now proved to be a very progressive country ! I live in France and there are good news here too: The European Greens who want to legalize file-sharing according to a previous topic on Torrentfreak have got more than 15% of the votes, which means 14 seats at the European Parliament !
@ #8
Giving €5 to the artists benefits those artists more then spending €100 on buying CD’s or seeing movies.
everybody wins. well, everybody except for the big labels, but all they do is spend it on lawsuits anyway
On the other note, N. Sarcozy`s UMP party won in France. I guess, people are still happy with him. yay.
In Finland pro-rasist party gained a lot of support and got 2 seats.
oh well..
Today’s a great day for the Pirate Party. Maybe changes will finally be made.
protip: only 18 spots available
A seat alone might mean nothing, but the fact this could happen gives the light of hope to people who, like me, believe in freedom of information.
Software pirates do not intend to break laws. They see the laws are wrong and intend to remove such laws.
Way to go, Sweden. *bows*
@13
Firstly, we have a similar copyright tax on blank CD’s here in Canada. No one has ever been able to demonstrate that the tax ever reaches the artists that they claim to want to compensate. This tax is just a fallacy and apparently is only going directly to the music industry and their executives. No one can prove that the artists even obtain a dime from the tremendous amount of revenue that is being generated.
With the recent developments in France where the military was used to take down a torrent server is absolutely preposterous. So not only does the RIAA/MPAA bribe and control the judges, politicians and police, so now they can even control the military. It is now evident that the corporations control the military. History has shown that such control is harmful and dangerous to the people. People fight back, civil disobedience and riots occur. People don’t like being controlled by anyone, particularly when the attempt to control violates all common sense/reality.
I have no clue if the french torrent site was actually profiting from their actions. It costs a lot of money to design, develop, maintain and run servers. I would suspect that they probably weren’t even making enough money to operate their servers, making the ability to profit nearly impossible. I could be wrong, maybe they were earning profits that afforded them to buy hummers, mansions, yachts and private jets. I have no idea. The likelihood is they probably only made enough money to keep the site up, and could never possibly afford to compensate the artists/movie industry. In addition, it sounds like they were also carrying public commons content movies, music and software. How is it possible to calculate that maybe they were profiting from promoting the open domain/legimate promotional material? I have no idea, but I’m sure it’ll all be figured out some time soon. I do know that if they send in the RIAA/MPAA to make their own calculations they will again manipulate everything to ensure their own interests.
The RIAA/MPAA are fascists and are obviously far more powerful and can control many things. They’ve gone beyond bribing judges, politicians, police forces and now they can control a military. This is what fascists organizations do. This is very dangerous and they really must be stopped before there is an uprising on the streets where someone can and will be k*lled.
I’m not Canadian, but I’m proud of the voters for making these steps to raise awareness of just how dangerous the RIAA/MPAA is becoming. This has to happen, and it has. The world needs to know that they can not and should not stop the free sharing of art and culture, and that they need to evolve to our changing digital world.
@18 N. Sarcozy’s UMP party didn’t won in France, even if it is what the mainstream media say: greens + socialists (left) have more votes than UMP. But unfortunately french socialists aren’t very clear about their views on filesharing…
FYI: In most countries racist parties have more than 1 seat. Just shows how easy it is to win that.
@ 14 Alun
Will you also buy DVDs than for the movies you like?
…Since DVDs are just part of a outdated model.
I can only imagine what would happen if such a thing happened in Greece. Those kids sure know how to riot.
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Real Fight will start from NOW ON :D
Anti Piracy Companies, now it’s your TURN !!!
MSG To Anti Piracy companies: tight your seatbelts Mother F**kers !!!
Great News can we have a Pirate party in the UK please.
Amazing!
Fantastic!
When we asked Pirate Party leader Rick Falkvinge he feels, he told TorrentFreak: “We’ve felt the wind blow in our sails. We’ve seen the polls prior to the election. But to stand here, today, and see the figures coming up on that screen… What do you want me to say? I’ll say anything”
**EPIC**
Long Live The Pirate Bay!Go Pirate Party!
What about the German Pirate Party? They were expecting 0.5% so that they could get public funding. Any news on that?
@23
Most countries with racist parties with seats have more than 19 seats…
Grattis Sverige! you should be proud.
If in 10 years time, we still have Internet freedom and net neutrality in the Western world, we’ll look back to this day and thank the Swedes for starting the revolution.
PIRATAS para toda Europa!!!!!!!
Fantastic news!
I hope the German Pirate Party got at least 0.5% to get public funding…
And hopefully this symbolic victory will also help Pirate Parties in other countries to get started and gain support!
@33
The German pirate party got ~203.000 votes as of 22:57 (a few more cities to go). That’s 0.8%, so sadly not enough for seats but still a great result for such a young party I think.
FOR THE WIN now please the uk and eroupe ass and bring the Corrupted criminals to justice. A great day for freedom modern day freedom fighters.
Ifpi,riaa,bpi your all goanna be rotting in jail soon mothers.
So fucking happy.
the haters will be tried under the human right act and punnished to the maxium extent of the law.
FREEDOM FOR ALL
Piratpartiet I WISH YOU THE DEVIN HONORABLES ALL THE BEST IN WORLD.
FUCKING YES!!!!!!!
THIS WILL GO DOWON IN HISTORY.
WHAT A JOKE! TPB DIES..lol
Congratulations! I hope other European countries will follow you sooner or later!
22–>Firstly, we have a similar copyright tax on blank CD’s here in
Canada. No one has ever been able to demonstrate that the tax ever
reaches the artists that they claim to want to compensate. This tax is
just a fallacy and apparently is only going directly to the music
industry and their executives. No one can prove that the artists even
obtain a dime from the tremendous amount of revenue that is being
generated.
————–
I wondered if there in the music industry exist employess who disagree with these criminal actions and the laboratory of evil conformed by the RIAA executives.
This could be cool if many of the evidences that there exist in documents were anonymously leaked to Wikileaks for example… :-)
BTW, it’s very cool that the pirate party won a seat (or maybe, two?) in the European Parliament. :-)
OMG !
Congrats to the Pirate Party!!!
This is really good to have someone as spokesperson of us in the EU parliament.
Next time there will be more seats for the Pirate Party. I bet 5+ :)
In Germany Pirate party got 0,8 %
Good start :-)
EPIC WIN!
To all you pirates out there:
“The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.”
Join or found Pirate Parties wherever you are.
Let’s beat the Empire at its own game.
Thank you.
- your grateful nation
Hopefully at your parliamentary elections even more people will vote for them. Leading anti-lobbyist policy will be much more important at the national level. Mobilize all your acquaintances to vote for them at the national elections!
w00t!
Piracy is civil disobedience. Join us in our crusade to free our rights for culture. Ghandi freed a country. Together we can free the world.
Wow, you have to admit that is just downright COOL!
Riss
privacy-tools.echoz.com
@ 14 Alun
Will you also buy DVDs than for the movies you like?
I only buy dvd’s from independant filmmakers that dont use the mainstream distribution network.I also regularly buy CD’s from artists that I like and who are selling them whilst they busk.
So, there will some nerds in the EP talking about P2P and showing how good is Vuze…HAHAHA!
Well done guys. All the best from London.
CONGRATULATION FROM POLAND :)
Congratulations to Swedish PP for their parlament seat(s) and to the German PP for securing state funds =)
Way to go, well done, stand up for the people, four legs good two legs bad, don’t get corrupted like the rest, stay free.
Fantastic news! I hope that they can be influential in Europe. It would be good to see a liberal Europe in which the rights and freedoms of the people are seen as most important values.
Please. Someone. Restart the pirate party in the UK.
We *NEED* a party other than the greens who care about digital rights..
Victory!!! I hope this victory spread across the globe
The German Piratenpartei won about 230.000 voters and thus 0.9%. Two districts are still counting, but they cannot make any notable difference.
Congratulations for Piratpartiet, or frankly, JAAA! :D
“I also regularly buy CD’s from artists that I like and who are selling them whilst they busk.”
- so artists should get their money by busking? And the only music available should be singer-songwriter stuff? You are truly evil.
Congratulation from Poland pirates !!
——
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0QfVDebLFg
It’s not only about downloading, it’s also about surveillance and other big brother techniques introduced to keep the people in line.
Thanks to those in Sweden who voted for the pirates!
There was no pirate party in The Netherlands to vote for…
This is excellent news. Congratulations!
Congrats from London!
ifpi riaa bpi mpaa and surporters your gonna be rotting jail soon for you crimes against humanity.
well done pp
Free downloading has been proven to directly increase legal sales in every study which was not funded by the music cartel, and even in some studies which were.
There’s a reason the record companies own the radio networks and broadcast their content for free. People tend not to buy what they haven’t heard… and yes, it really is that simple.
So the real issue is not that music cartels are losing money from piracy (because they haven’t been, yet) but rather that they stand to lose control over their existing monopoly on the free distribution of music, which up until the internet came along, consisted entirely of radio and TV networks.
The RIAA member companies are well aware that if due to technological changes, their marketing presence were to lose its dominance, then they would also lose control of the market and no longer be able to sell most of the commercialized crap which they have been producing for decades.
If I were able to vote in this Election, I too would have voted for the Pirate Party! Thank you to all those who did, and congratulations to them. I will almost certainly be voting for their Australian counterparts next time we have an election; I only hope they can do as well in their campaign.
Piratpartiet is EPIN!
While there is positivies to this result, don’t get your hopes up that anything will change legal in the next 5 years (next elections). People need to remember this is not just 2 seats out of 18, this is 2 seats out of 785. That is a voting power of 0.25% in an institution that has little control over policy areas held by the member states.
This is a small win, but even a pebble can cause an avalanche. Just don’t expect the avalanche to hit soon.
Maybe the future is worth living afterall..
let us REJOICE!!
YAR HAR, FIDDLE DI DEE,
BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT WITH ME!
DO WHAT YOU WANT ‘‘CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE,
YOU ARE A PIRATE!
ARR YARR, AHOY AND AVAST,
DINKY-DINK-DINK-A-DINKADEFAST!
HANG THE BLACK FLAG
AT THE END OF THE MAST!
YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Just remember those 2 seats are important it gives a voice on the floor to the people side, and it gives and eye on anything the industry does behind the scenes
It also give an official voice to the press about the other side of the coin as well.
-J
CG,
Actually, is just 1 seat. xDDDDD
I really want a Pirate Party here in Hungary… they would counter the gain of the far-right quite well.
a good old trick. millions of kids hooked on cheap lollipops, some guys got sued for lollipops dumping, the trial and the verdict, kids got hot, some party waving free lollipops for everyone skyrocketed to squeeze into eu parliament, period
I surely hope that finally the other politicians see the writing on the wall and stop sucking up to the US’s corporations.
Otherwise, they’ll be history. Soon.
Gratz from Austria, sadly our votes didn’t end nearly as nicely as Sweden’s or Germany’s, but this victory alone is already worth a lot…
@KK
Thanks for that information, hopefully the post will be updated so others are not misinformed.
@J
1 minute speaking time may seem like a lot but it will be lost in a sea o f784 other voices going with party lines.
It will be very difficult to be heard.
While personals freedom are an important topic, more time will be given to things like time to deal with an average of 8.3% unemployment across the block. Sadly it’s a fact that we need a strong encomic in order to enjoy are personal freedoms without worring how to pay rent next.
arr
@CG Obviously the voting power of PP in the EU parliament will be nil, but that’s not the point. even if they won 100% of the seats (18), they still wouldn’t make a difference…
The main point is, there will be a representative who will be a voice of reason when discussions related to net neutrality arise, and he will be able to start such initiatives himself as well. Whether his arguments will be able to convince a majority or not we will see in the coming years, but together with the support of the Greens, who are the 4th largest party in the upcoming parliament, he will hopefully be able to make some headway.
@65 No study found that “free downloading directly increases sales”. You are confusing correlation and causation. Discovering that people who download more also buy more does not at all imply that they buy more _because_ of downloading.
Just as no study ever has shown that even a single downloaded mp3/movie is a lost sale for some company and should be regarded as such in the court of law. And yet it is…
Who needs the Pirate Bay when you have a copy of Tunebite (from demonoid =]) and a 3 month free trial of Napster LMAO xD
does that mean they won or are they still going to jail
AYE!! SEADOGS ,, WE RAISE RUM AND JOLLY ROGER ,, YO HO HO !!
Hahahah.
BOOM!
Thank you, IFPI!
Your show trial, and the guilty verdict your puppet judge Thomas Norstrom handed down against TPB, made this victory possible. If Spectrial had ended in TPB’s favour, it would have never sparked the outrage that swept The Pirate Party into Parliament today.
So thank you again, IFPI. Thank you Mr.Norstrom, you biased judge. Thank you Mr.Keyzer, you bribed cop. Thank you Dan Glickman. Thank you RIAA. Thank you MPAA. Thank you Monique Wadsted.
We couldn’t have done this without you. :D
@Alexey
“Discovering that people who download more also buy more does not at all imply that they buy more _because_ of downloading.”
Same difference. It implies that filesharers buy more than the average consumer.
Congratulation to the PP!
ARRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Response is nice…
Does the Snoopy dance
Congrats Pirate Party!
http://torrentino.net
Europe will be disconnected from the internet ? ;-)
This may be only one seat. Several years ago, it was just an idea an individual had with almost no public support at all. It is a start. This is what is called grass roots support.
The copyright industry has teed the public off. This is a direct result of that. Now what we need is a pirate party in each nation so the rest of us can vote for them.
As was said, this is only one seat but a voice of reason. If the rest of the politicians want to hold on to their seats they best get ahead of the crowd. Either lead or lose out.
File trading is not a crime. File trading where no money is involved should not be considered a civil penalty either. Rather it is culture spreading within the public.
The copyright industry does not own the broadcasting stations. Until Eliot Spitzer sued the major labels in New York, the practice of payolla was alive and well, long after it had been ruled illegal in 1960. At the time, all four major labels payed millions in an out of court settlement over payolla. Now, it is done in the form of paid advertising. When you hear the name of the group and the song being announced on the radio…that is now considered paid advertising and so payolla has taken a twist but is still with us. Nothing changed and they have not met the rest of the obligation in which the FCC weighed in on the payolla issue with the broadcasting 4,200 hours of air play for local and independent musicians.
This is a great start for the Pirate Party and I want my chance to vote for them in my country!
@Charbax
No. Forget that.
congratulations to all Swedish who care about share.
congratulations to Pirate Party.
from brazilians shares.
is there any chances to have Pirate Party here?
Wohoo I voted Falkvinge ^^
GOOD JOB SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!
@1 the answer should be simple enough, people subscribe to tpb, and they pay. Tpb should then sign deals with artists and labels, because the RIAA and others just distribute the music. So, people get all the music they want, out of any artist, while the artists get a part of the money considerably larger than the one they would get with the RIAA. You kill a monopoly, give artists fame and money, and it is all legal, so no more disconnecting isp’s and no more freaking itunes or distribution that steals all the money away, as they even save the cost of using cd’s.
win! :p
5€ per month? pirates pay for nothing.
“Sweden has 20 seats, but until the Lisbon treaty passes only 18 with voting rights.”
I’m so glad you put that on the end. Being used to the big countries I thought 2 seets wouldn’t count for anything. Look forwards to tommorows detail, strong/week majority/minority goverment … i.e. can they have any real influence
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Carry the flag into battle!
Wooot! Go Pirate Party! All the way from Singapore!!!
Congrats! Together we can change teh world. bit by bit!
My whole family voted for the Pirate Party!
bonne nouvelle!
continuez votre bon travail
From Québec
Pirates sappin’ mah parliament!
I fucking wish Canada had a proportional ballot… Once this starts I’m going into politics for the pirate party.
@13
That’s a horrible, horrible idea.
@ 13
“Basically a tax for access to unlimited culture on the Internet, basically a tax for an online library that gives unlimited and legal free access to all works of art, articles, books anything online, legally.”
In principle I would support such a system. Like to see the details first, but anything that might increase the amount of the pie for the authors of original works (by cutting out the middle man leeches) will get my attention.
YAAAR a great daey me harties! a fine day for rum n downloadin
Totally serious (more serious in fact than any defense of kids downloading copyrighted porn), the Party Party should come out publicly in defense of REAL pirates in Somalia. Don’t just exploit the name, really get behind piracy!
Nothing productive to add but:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
YES! Victory for Democracy
Go thepiratebay!
The trial is also going on looking for an unbiased judge!
http://trial.tepiratebay.com
\:D/
“I can pay 5€ per month to make it legal, pay artists with that. Problem solved.”
The artists yes. The copyright parasites: NO!
Congratulations from Japan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMxB75hz0ks&feature=related
ps: no taxes, if they can’t compete they don’t have the right to exist.
Every single pirate on the world know have a map on how to do it.
Today is 1 seat tomorrow could be the majority which means you will see a lot of politicians changing sides.
You gotta love rats that have no other imperative then self preservation.
So awesome!
Now you can fix the global economy, cure H1N!, Cancer, and AIDS…
and now end all WAR, solve over population/global climate change… AND… Save us from the Lulz??
So, thats neat you are in the European Parliament *cough* now can you push through ANYTHING over the high priced super lobbyist that the corporate powers (RIAA, MPAAFIA) has?
hahaha nope
go back to inciting Communist revolutions in the Third world you Commu-Nazis. We can stick to inciting Facist defacto “democracies”
There is only one thing pirates like to cure “corporate greed” LoL
So free information manipulation is called piracy? and free people are pirates? gf
Great!
They got my vote in Germany! Next time they’ll get a seat.
However, unless the Pirate Party drops the “pirate” adjective which has quite a negative connotation (in fact it acknowledges outright stealing, instead of liberty of information and exchange) they will never be able to convice enough supporters to achieve anything.
This is in part about power and do the people control governments or afew very large rich companies. Im not for piracy in general but the way the RIAA/MPAA and other groups have been working is even worse. I believe copyrights need to be divided in to different groups with each group having different limits. Most software programs are useless after 15 or 20 years and hurt newer companies.
@spam
Why would I be looking for the NSA?
Anyway, this is good news.
Yes! Now the government can begin to tell the MAFIAA to fuck off!!!
Pirate Bay Punk Rock version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpODhbD6Hd4
ps: holy cow! I typed “pirate bay remix” on youtube and was surprise with the amount of remixes people did already.
Gz!
Great news for liberty !
Let us hope that we can now create a system where the artists get their just due whilst those who only exploit will be deprived of victims.
Please Europe, accept our monthly royalty fee in order that the artists and creators can be honourably remunerated.
No €5 business for me. First, I won’t pay tax to access information on the net. Its like asking you to pay for the air you inhale. Second,You can not set a same fee for all users. Its rubbish. What all the artists need to do is to think of innovative approaches to sell their works. Come out of the old school and get in to new *free* world. FREE is freedom from ridiculous taxes. Viva La Revolution. Jai ho PIrate Party !!
Oops! there is a foot in the door now!
Would be this the foot that ends up kicking the RIAA/MPAA hides?
When I heard about it I was like: “Whaaaat?! OMG! awesome!”
Congratulations guys! I hope you’ll help to invent a new buisness model which will replace existing distribution chain
Congratulations.
First Sweden, then the world.
Best news I ever had on a Monday !
Thank You
Victory!
This isn’t the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.
what wankers! congratulations, you got a high paid useless job fucking crooks, and the high paid retirement pension that goes with it, but i know you won’t change anything because YOU SUCK and you don’t even call for the abolition of monarchy
60% of abstention, that the real winner of this anti-democratic elections, people know the real decisions are taken by far-right worse than nazi technocrats in brussels
Hip Hip Hooray!Hip Hip Hooray!
finally there’s some one that can deal with the EU’s pro-copyright thoughts.
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Congratulations from Greece!
Congrats to the Pirate Party. I agree that their practical power parliment will be zero. But they will be heard and they-ll spread their ideas and act from inside the system. Any totalitarian system like the one the media corporations try to establish crumbled from within. U must be inside the political and decisional system to start a revolution. Doing it in the streets or outside the political arena is a waste of time.
For those who have mentioned the studies about the influence of file-sharing over sales: I’ve read many of these studies. What they actually say is that there is no link or at least not a visible one, between filesharing and the decrease of cd sales and that the claims of the MPAA, RIAA and co. are stupid.
U must not forget that this battle is not actually about modern movies and music. It is about spreading free information and knowledge to the people through any form of culture. For the first time after thousands of years we have the capability to rebuild the Alexandria Library at global proportions and to make available for all mankind all the knowledge gathered through history. This is a very dangerous situation for the Establishment and they will do anything to make sure that people remain ignorant slaves and continue to be easily manipulated.
That is why the boys of the pirate party must remain very practical and use any legal means given to them by the european political system to achieve their goals. And all their supporters must not loose faith because real results won’t be achieved imediatelly. It will be a long process and the main target is to achieve a critical mass of members of parliament that will shift to our side and this will take years. But from the moment that critical mass of votes in parliament is achieved, victory will be ours.
Congrats.
While I think the whole “Pirate party” thing is noble and all, I can’t help but think that maybe calling it that wasn’t the best choice. For one, world’s been having some real pirate issues lately, people are stupid and may somehow associate negatively. Second, let’s be honest, it sounds kinda silly, but whatever. Keep on truckin’.
Epic win :)
Pay the customers for their content, their searches, their comments and charge the corporations for the same.
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Eu have to be more free…
I want to vote Pirate Bay but here in Italy I cant…
I’ll wait for you ;)
…and…
Congratulations!
I personally despise organizations which make their profit by siphoning the well-earned income of others, this may be an important step in eliminating those who essentially get money for doing nothing.
Here’s hoping for a party which cares more about people than profit, freedom of information allows the public to stay educated and intelligent.
I voted for them and I’m realy happy about the outcome.
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GOGOGOGo…
congrats from germany!
Congratulations Swedish! Thats your legacy to EU democracy, this a battle won for all who trust and believe that the change it’s posible!
But overall this start up to have expert voices among these necon/lobbies on the top of EU Goberment!
All my regards from spain! and agay Congratulations!
Javi Ciano
Western governments are very willing to negotiate with Somali Pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_pirate) who kidnap people at gunpoint.
The same governments vow to destroy “piracy” (the one made of kids exchanging files) using any possible means, including suppression of privacy, sentencing to years in prison, award of punitive damages amounting to thousands of times the actual detriment.
That’s outrageous, and people start understanding this.
A resounding CONGRATULATIONS from the USA! That’s putting your money where your mouth is!
Peace!
In your face anti-piracy sluts
is anyone else worried what they might do in office? they are still pirates after all. i cant even imagine the all the fun things they could get into :)
all hail thee captain; open source the spanish main
Je suis content d’etre content que ca soit arrivé
Congrates from the land down under on your win. Kinda reminds of the Ozzy fighting spirt. Go takem boys. I hate the anti-piracy mob for the abuse of the copy right laws which weren’t intended to be used and abused this way. ( ozzy ozzy ozzy oi oi oi )
So funny..
You gotta check this out too, it’s called an Electronic Cigarette The government and tobacco companies are trying to make it illegal, so we gotta spread the word.
wtgftw :-D
lolz @ the sour posts from the MAFIAA
the popular vote in Sweden is angry at the politicians in the pockets of the powerful media companies
what happens in Sweden will very quickly be copied throughout europe. we are on the rise
a personal congratz Rick, we were all counting on you winning!
xxx
Go go go Piratpartiet!
Now start the mayhem in the parliament.
* Get into EU comissions related to intellectual property (or any other topic for that matter).
* Leak EU documents at Wikileaks… and The Pirate Bay!
* Try to cause the maximum disruption when new IP laws are discussed.
* Play pranks on IP lobbysts at the parliament’s cafe.
* Spread false gossip about lobbysts and pro-copyright MEPs inside and outside the parlament.
* Troll, troll, troll. Get socialist and conservative MEPs to fight each other over IP while you download films using the super connection of the parliament.
* Put pirate flag stickers on parliament’s seats.
* Team up with journalists so they write about everything you do, and they do it positively.
* Sabotage.
* ???
* PROFIT
Congratulations from Russia!!!
For your victory!
The Green Party did win too where there was no Pirate Party :)
Congratulations !
Let’s hope that soon, pirate parties will flourish in all EU !
If TPB has participated in the Swedish National Elections and now in the EU Parliamentary Elections that already means they are legally constituted as a political party. What is necessary now IMO is to extend their philosophy throughout the Parliament so when the time comes to vote for copyright and privacy laws hopefully the right wing conservatives (majority in the parliament with 263 seats) don´t favour the private interests of Multinational Corporations and actually write laws that protect us the people and stop criminalizing internet users, so that internet can remain free. Big up the Pirate Party!
One more point of admiration to Sweden!
Remember all! To make this happen we all have to help and spread the information about what is going on. Increase peoples consciousness. Be polite and rational when you share your opinions, its a much more effective way to persuade people.
I am a 43 year old swede that voted on the pirate party yesterday and I am sure that this movement can grow all around Europe, but it is up to us Internauts if this is going to happen.
Send the message that all have to vote at the pirate party in all countries that have on. The example in Sweden shows that it is possible to force them to listen. Use your democratic rights while we still have a free internet where we can use our voice effectively.
@101 DJ
“@1 the answer should be simple enough, people subscribe to tpb, and they pay. Tpb should then sign deals with artists and labels, because the RIAA and others just distribute the music.”
This is wrong. It’s the labels and studios (for example Warner and Sony) which do the robbing of the artists. The **AA anti-piracy organisations (IFPI, BPI, MPAA etc) are employed by the labels to go after the pirates, and it is these scum which hire lawyers and people to spy. The labels are the ones who do the so called ‘distribution’.
If any artist is signed to one of these big labels who employ the **AA’s he/she will not get a penny from your scheme, but perhaps a record producer will be able to afford another few lines of coke.
@1
Sorry my post was in reference to post #1. I thought it was the last one but it was actually the first.
“Let’s legalize pirate bay in the EU now! I can pay 5€ per month to make it legal, pay artists with that. Problem solved.”
about the 5€ quote. Either you do not consume a lot of culture. Or if this is all you pretend to “pay”, then IMO it’s a bit short for the amount of effort artists put to their work. If you are refering to “pay” 5€ per month to make them legal your question is answered @168. Nobody pays a political party because they already have an income by their National Government and the EU Government. For a just cause I would preferably use the term “donate” instead of “paying” wich is the method of USA politics where Senators and Politicians are bribed by GREEDY Corporations to pass on laws that only benefit their monopoly of culure and information, instead of defending the interests of the artists (BTW misrepresented by the RIAA or SGAE in Spain) or users.
This is only the begining of a new era!
Didn’t read all the posts, but congratulations!!!!!
Anyone up for bringing this agenda–especially including some of the anti-surveillance planks–to the UK?
benhakana@gmail.com
CONGRATS!!! To the Piratpartiet!! Hope more PP can start in Europe and America!
This is why im proud to be an American. We actually have morals over here. A political party founded on the promotion of theft theft would never gain widespread respect or for that matter, even be accepted.
This isn’t freedom of speech (that’s like calling pedophilia a lifestyle choice). It’s theft.
And to everyone who is disuccussing ways to take TPB legit. It’s not going to happen. To put it simply, the pirate bay was founded as an illegitimate organization. Defiance of the law, “I want to believe it’s okay, so thats makes it okay”, and not caring about copyright holders are their core beliefs. Being law breakers runs in their veins. Somethings never change.
The founder of the pirate Gottfrid Svartholm, to put it plainly was a loser when he was little. Sounds like he didn’t have any friends (aside from his computer.) Its quite probably that he was just desperate for attention.
Don’t mind Mr. Neostyles, he is just upset that the people have some power left and forgets that the people have rights to like I don’t know privacy and that society should and will be always more important then some business model.
Was society that granted those “rights” now is time to take it away so self entitled morons don’t start thinking they own the world and that the people in it don’t have a say.
No, just that some us pay for things while others decide to be freeloaders and act like they have a god given right to steal.
Privacy is important, but can be justly sacrificed when there is alot at stake (billions of dollars in this case.) It’s been said dozens of times, but pirates effectively forfeited their rights when they decided to ingnore the law. What’s more incredible? The fact that pirates think the law doesn’t apply to them or the fact that they thumb their noses at society and it’s rules then later demand that their rights be respected?
You don’t like your privacy being violated? THEN STOP STEALING AND START PAYING FOR THINGS.
@ Neostlyes
You are a freaking idiot.
Why the hell would you ever be proud to be born in America? You had absolutely no control over the matter. However, you are a perfect example of a typical American. You are just a stupid blind fascist (the people have no rights and this escapes your senses.)
Prove that we have morals here more so than other countries. Prove that the pirate party promotes theft. The Pirate Bay HAS been accepted in America. Theft itself is already widespread here. Crime is very common. What makes you think that “We have morals here”?
The Pirate Bay was founded on defiance of unnecessary and oppressive law. Why is that bad? How can you say that being a lawbreaker runs in their veins? How is this wrong? Laws do nothing more than take away “rights” to create an illusion of safety or fairness or equality or goody-two-shoes-ness. Screw that. Being a free thinker is programmed in their head. Blue blood runs in their veins (de-oxygenated blood is blue) like every other person.
You are a stupid tool. Your thoughts are just a collection of bullshit you’ve been fed all your life from Disney or war propaganda or the song, “I’m Proud to be and American”. What you think are “morals” is just a load of crap.
But, by all means, keep gloating about how good America is. It’s hilarious. I love laughing at you inferiors.
Neostyles, you are a stupid tool in a fascist country.
Like most Americans, you have no real sense of what property should be as a result of the fact that you truly own nothing.
I really hope you don’t procreate. Please, for the love of fairy-tale God.
@neostyles
you are so narrow-minded it’s unbelievable…do you also think that slave laws should’ve been kept and people should’ve obeyed them?! a law that makes 99% of the people criminals doesn’t seem to be a just law. and since it’s the people who create these laws, it makes no sense to have them. cessante ratione legis, cessat et ipsa lex.
oh yeah!
Why all the ad hominem attacks against Neostyles? He has a point when he says the increased surveillance and invasion of privacy is a result of pirating. Pirating/filesharing IS stealing, whether you like it or not.
That said, I do care about my privacy, online as well, and object to actions that impede my rights on privacy, and object to laws like the 3strikes law in France, which allows anyone to blame another one to shut them off the internet without any evidence or a fair trial.
Go Pirate Party!!!
@neostyles
Typical sheep. Why would your imaginary friend have any control over MY rights? Keep your fabled beliefs away from law. Thanks.
Brilliant =D
Best of luck in the world of politics for them.
Time to some additional copy protection specifically for Sweden. Should be interesting to see what happens when neither Windows or OSx will run legally in Sweden.
Well, since they’re legalizing theft they should include Breaking and Entering as legal. I want my neighbor’s TV, god damnnit!
My god, the amount of ignorance here is mindblowing. Thank you 182 for being mature :)
.:184:.
Would you also call somone a sheep for not stealing a car? This isn’t about conformity. This about thinking about something besides yourself.
.:180:.
Since you seem to believe that stealing is the only way, does that make you narrow minded too…? Many people supported nazism, so does that make it okay too?
So now we’re comparing piracy to slave laws? Apples and Oranges, bud. Slave laws were violations of human rights. Piracy is a financial epicdemic of epic proportions.
I already explained why I was proud to be an American. It would help if you read my post, instead of going straight to the ad hominem attacks. Not only do you not seem to understand copyright or the idea of laws in general, but you don’t understand anything about America. America is a democracy. Facism is what we fought against in WW2 and defeated. It doesn’t sound like you know what facism is. EVERY system of government has laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws
Just because you don’t let people run around and do whatever they want, doesn’t make it any sort of ideology.
When I said “we have morals” I was actually kind of referring to America, which would put you guys in the opposite position. The very fact that Europe’s political system recognizes a party who’s platform is built on theft says everything.
“Prove that the pirate bay promotes theft”? Are you serious? Are you’re calling me an idiot? They admitted it themselves that they stand against copyright, which is basically flat out proclaiming that you’re a theif.
Wow.. The ignorance.. o_0 First, off, unnecessary. No, because it protects the work of people. Oppressive? Let me guess, you also don’t understand why there are laws against doing things like assaulting people or shoplifting? I would recommend reading this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws
How is that bad? Where do I start? It’s selfish? It’s stealing? It’s greedy? It’s lazy? It’s self centered? It hurts the economy? It’s being a a parasite of society?
I guess Im not really sure where you got confused, because you don’t have the right to steal things. Im sorry, you just cant take things. People getting paid for their work isn’t an illusion of fairness. My god, you’re delusional.
Uhh… No? You’re not the center of the world. No one owes you anything. Now get a job.
@ Sedinal
I’m not calling him names, I’m telling him what he is and giving reasons why. No fallacies here.
What makes you think piracy is stealing? Saying “whether you like it or not” proves nothing, believe it or not. Pirating is no more than sharing. People gain real ownership of movies or games by cracking the damn DRM or whatever and then share them. The fact that piracy is illegal has no affect on whether it is wrong or not, and the fact that the government calls it stealing doesn’t mean it is.
In fact, if the government calls anything something, you can probably bet that it isn’t.
FOR EXAMPLE
abortion/killing (in some states)
racism/wrong
this government/not fascist/necessary/good
drugs/bad
rights/inalienable
justice/good
piracy/stealing
America/free
would tell you why each of those aren’t true, but I really don’t want to bother. Point out one in specific and I’ll go ahead and tell you why it’s not true
And yeah… sedinal. Good call with the whole “anything that impedes your right to privacy”…
FYI, YOU HAVE NO REAL “RIGHTS”.
Unless of course you mean the American kind of rights that are something more like “things you can do sometimes if you use them nicely like a good little tool.” Where as soon as some other stupid law is broken, you lose all your other “rights.”
Do you also think that caring about something besides your own happiness makes you a tool? Is that how you define it. Piracy = being a self centered parasite.
I think “whether or not you like it” was there because many people seem to be in denial about it and speak with their emotions instead of minds. Many people here seem to think that just because they want something to be okay, makes it so. Honestly, for all that it matters, morality isn’t sufficient. Piracy, regardless of whether you are using torrents or hosting files directly (people use technical details to weasel out of these things all the time), which means that the European political scene embraces crime. The fact that you aren’t satisfied with the legal assessment, just goes to affirm how little respect pirates have for the law or for that matter society. They think that the rules don’t apply to them, and somehow, they are special.
But if you want me to explain why it is “wrong”. You’re not “sharing”. Stop using that word. It’s completely misleading. It’s so neutral. It makes piracy sound some sort of kindergarten games, where the teacher goes “now, now, kids learn to share the markers.” Sharing applies to what you own, NOT to what someone else owns. You’re taking what someone else owns without paying for it. The fact that you’re using a copy that’s been traded around by many people is no different than making the copy yourself. Piracy is stealing. YOU AREN’T SPECIAL. YOU’RE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. YOU DONT HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO TAKE WHAT’S NOT YOURS.
I would point out the logical fallacy there, but it seems like a waste of time. “These other things are bad, so that makes piracy good… right?” NO.
Why do you think you have the right to take other people’s things? Do you also not understand why you can’t just walk into a store and walk out with a ton of merch? Or walk into people’s houses?
HAHAHA Don’t be so naive. Anything anybody does ever is for nobody but themselves. If they save someone’s life, they are doing it so that they can feel good because they did something good. If they say sorry, it is so that they can feel good by making the other person feel better, or so they can get another person to stop bothering them to apologise. If they have children, it is so that they can feel important because they “made life.” If they give money to charity, it is so that they can feel good about “helping out another human being.” If they go to fight for their country, it is so that they can feel important. If they sacrifice themselves to save another, (just about the stupidest thing possible) it is so that they can feel good in the last minute of their lives for having saved someone else, and because they think that they will feel bad the rest of their life for not having sacrificed themselves. Your happiness is somehow involved with big industries making a killing by taking away people’s rights to property. TOOOOOOOOOL.
‘”Those other things are bad, so piracy is good”‘ is a terrible misinterpretation. I was saying that you really only think that piracy is wrong because the government says it is, and gave other examples showing why the government is not right in most cases, and it is stupid to agree with the government just because you’re a tool.
NOW… I’m not saying that stealing is OK (even though it is.) I was saying that PIRACY IS NOT STEALING. You just went ahead and spun that around and asked me a TOTALLY irrelevant, begging the question fallacy question about whether I think it is OK for people to walk into a store and steal shit.
And OF COURSE I HAVE NO GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO TAKE WHAT’S NOT MINE.
DUrrrrrr. God is a freaking fairy-tale.
I’ll go ahead and translate that. You mean that I have no natural right to take what isn’t mine. Why can’t I take what isn’t mine? Say somebody gives me a nice pencil to use for a test. That’s not mine! I can’t take what’s not mine! NO NO NO NONONONONONONONONONONO!!! NOT MINE!!! CAN’T TAKE!!! DF:SLDBCYOISDCVXCN:LWKET
Idiot. If somebody buys something, they can make a new one and give it to me over the internet if they damn well please. The copyright that they break to do so violates their own natural right to property.
Or you could say that things people pirate aren’t really property. They can’t give that to others if they want. They paid for the right to use it sometimes and under certain conditions.
Fuck that.
You’ll probably say that pirating is taking money away from artists or programmers or pornstars or whatever. What they make, they have a right to. WRONG. If I were taking anything away, it would be from the record company or industry that owns them. BUTOFCOURSE I’m not taking anything away. I’m taking their government-given right to control what I listen to away by not paying for rights to something. FUCK THAT.
OOOOORRR you could say that I’m stealing an experience. The industry owns the experience their product creates. What about bringing a movie to a friend’s house? What about taking pictures of things in museums? Or landmarks you pay to see?
Oh, and yes, I am special. Everybody is, silly!
Something similar to what you say, but in non-tool speak would be “YOU AREN’T SPECIAL. YOU ARE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.”
I could easily see Americans paying $50/month for unlimited media. I’d even be satisfied with iTunes if it was totally unlimited access and the files could be kept for life. Whoever works out a deal with the most record companies first will be a rich ass mutherfucker.
WOW, `/33333333333333333333333333333
Maybe if many more get in these redonklus copyright extensions will be cut down and we can have stuff ending up in the public domain in our life times..
Just celebrate people.
Mr. Neostyles can’t do nothing about it now LoL
He says is “stealing” I say is “taking back” what was stolen.
Taking back what was stolen? When a musician or a software developer releases his work for a fee, and you refuse to pay the fee, how is that taking back what was stolen?
If you’re talking about the privacy being invaded, I agree with you. However, it’s only 1 seat, filesharing WON’T become legal.
Would anybody try to force a eskimo to buy a freezer?
Would anybody try and tell to the eskimos that the right to freezing temperatures is yours and they are infringing on your rights?
Not counting the obvious. One cannot enforce copyright laws in any meaningful way that will not harm society and the economy.
Something that criminalizes a vast portion of the population can’t not be right and it will not be accepted even if it causes harm to a small portion of that society.
If an employee don’t play ball and it’s disruptive to the group what should be the outcome to that person?
If part of society don’t know how to behave in group and acknowledge that others have more pressing needs what should the outcome be?
Would anybody holding the rights to freezing temperatures start suing fridge makers?
Congratulations.
Neostyles,
Is sharing what you own a crime? Since when? If you’re not making profit out of it, it’s not. At leatst in Europe. Don’t know about bloody America, though.
As there is no profit, there is no piracy.
Besides, all the material being shared is culture (music, films, etc). How can you prevent people from sharing culture? Stop being daft. For several reasons, some people may not be able to buy it. No harm done.
It’s funny to hear you talk about law. You seem to be quite keen on supporting laws which are absolutely wrong.
@NeoStyles: I’ve been in your country for a year. Then I ran away. As far as I could. You have morals?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So funny. You are from having morals. Well, depends on how you define morals… seems to me that you change stuff, e.g. legalize abortion, and then you change morals, saying that abortion is morally right now – it’s not wrong anymore.
I felt sorry for the US while I was there. So ignorant…so corrupt…so greedy…Eh. Well, not everyone has the amazing opportunity to live in Europe.
@Trollstyles, pathological liar
“Piracy is stealing. ”
You can lie that piracy is stealing until you’re blue in the face, but you don’t have the power to change reality. You don’t have the power to rewrite the English language, either.
You’re a nothing more than a mentally ill nutcase who sits there raving that up is down, black is white, and cats are dogs.
Oh, and that sharing is a self-centered act. Which just might be the most hilarious nugget of delusion that you’ve shat out yet.
By the way, thank you for perpetuating the stereotype that Americans are ignorant, self-righteous lunatics. What a lovely specimen you are.
Glad that my vote is one of these 1%.
Go on Pirates!
I’ll voted for them :D
Just a notice if noone has told you before. PirateParty was the party that got most votes from people in the age 20-30years. Just give it time and our flags blue color will be changed to mauve (PP party color)
To talk about morality here is very tricky, because morality is very relative and depends on many elements: geography, civilization, culture, customs, mentalities, era, and so on. What is moral for an american could be imoral for an european or asian and often is. I wouldn’t judge Neostyles so harshly. He can consider piracy theft. It is his right. America developed differently from Europe or Asia, has different way of life and of thinking about things. They chose things that they consider as being right for them and their country, like considering file-sharing theft.
But its my right also to consider file-sharing as a next step in developing culture and spreading knowledge. If America has its own laws and values and way of life, that doesn-t mean europe should have the same view of things. Citizens of each country should decide what they want. If the majority of people want file-sharing legal, that is their right and leaders should obey.
The american problem comes from the fact that being a global empire they want other countries to be forcebly subdued to american laws or way of life. Of course its natural for a country to do anything to protect its interest. But it is the duty of europeans to protect their interests also. if we europeans want to choose differently than americans that does not make us immoral or worse, it just makes us different. And putting in the same context with file-sharing things like pedofilia or naval piracy is stupid.
What neostyles and other like him don’t get is that intellectual property and ideas are not the same as material properties. And what he doesn’t understand is that this story of “piracy” has happened in europe with the first private printing press, and it happened in the Renaissance and the middle ages when people where put on fire in public places because they read and help spread books forbidden by the church. Americans didn’t enjoy the “pleasures” of communism or nazism where the secret police had a special treatment for people who shared books or materials forbidden by the state. People risked their lives for sharing culture that was illegal. The laws which are imposed right now by the corporations in europe and america look so deja vu to many of us europeans.
If we are talking about economics, than the evolution of technology makes older technologies and laws obsolete. There will always be industries that will become obsolete. Its called progress. The net has transformed the entire economic chain from creator to consumer. We must develop laws that keep the net free but also develop economic models that ensure that creators do get payed for their work. The net cuts the costs of spreading creations down to almost nothing. Everyone of us “pirates” is aware that if we do not pay/donate to our favorite creators they won’t be able to do their work. If media corporations are lazy to develop new models of bussiness that doesn’t mean progress should stop because of that
@neostyles,
Are you a corrupt person?
Fascism means that the people have no rights. Americans have no real rights. We did not beat fascism in WWII, but rather a few fascist countries.
Copyright does not protect the rights of other people, rather the money that the industry can make. It takes away the right for one person to share his own property with others.
You keep saying how I’m saying that I have a right to steal things. A LAUGHABLE CLAIM. By saying this, you prove my point. I will assume that you mean I ’steal’ from the industry. THIS IS INCORRECT. I accept things given to me by others who own it. The fact that the government can make it illegal for people to give things that they own to others proves that this country is fascism. Fascism is not a thing, but an idea. You can’t beat an idea in a war, but rather the people that express that idea. As you can see, Fascism is in the dictionary. If we beat it, then wouldn’t it not exist anymore?
To actually STEAL a song or something from the industry, I would have to erase it from all of their computers and servers and change the copyright to say that I own it and then rewrite any DRM on it to say that it belonged to me.
I would love to do that, but I am not doing it when I pirate things. Somebody else who bought it is letting me use it. Where is stealing involved??
People DON’T GET PAID FOR THEIR WORK
THE INDUSTRY IS PAID FOR THEIR WORK. THE ARTISTS WERE PAID FOR THEIR WORK WHEN THEY SOLD IT TO THE INDUSTRY.
And then you say that I’m delusional because I think that people can give something that THEY BOUGHT to another person??? Are you kidding???
By all means, I WILL keep on gloating about the fact that I can give something I BOUGHT to another, or take something somebody bought when they offer it to me.
What makes you think that nobody owes me anything, or even that I think that anybody owes anybody anything?? As a matter of fact, my friend owes me a game of golf because I paid for both of us last time. You are wrong. Why do you think that I don’t have a job? I’m in High School, first of all. I’m not a hobo-pirate, no matter how much I want to be one. And even so, I DO have a job. Show me where I made you think that I don’t have a job in my writing. I DON’T. ANYWHERE.
You just keeeep on making those crazy assumptions, like that I don’t have a job, or that I think it’s OK to steal, or that piracy is stealing because big brother told you so.
RESPECT SWEDEN!
(FAOT)
A great win for pirates everywhere if you ask me :) They would have gotten my vote if I were European
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personally i think all this is stupipd if i BUY something its should be mine to do with as i please whats next i cant invite my friend over to watchfootball cuase he doesnt pay the same cable company n therefore is stealing the right to watch the game lol
or maybe when u save something on ur pvr to watch later we should all be watched by big brother so we cant invite peeps to watch it with us.
hey i know lets make renting dvds froma video store illegal i mean isnt it piracy when u rent a movie for ur self to watch n then invite other over to see it since they didnt pay for this right ….i mean whats the diff from u paying to view pay per view n 15 of ur buddies watching even tho only 1 person paid ….so what i buy a dvd upload n then decide to send to friends its my right i paid for the damn dvd didnt i its not diff from payper view peeps are stupid n anytime big companies take away ur rights no matter how they spin it we are all shooting ourselves in the foot when we let them do this even thoe artist will end up paying for this idiocy
so go pirate party go i say n godspeed!!!!!!
Lol 202 is goin on strike against sentences I’m going on strike with him no more sentences sentences impede your rights you bought the damn thing it’s yours u let them take away ur rights damn you I bet you probably write in sentences wow fag nobody does that any more can’t you see there’s a strike
I say the best way to solve this problem is to just nuke ‘em all cuz their just stupid sentence users and should all burn in hell screw them who uses sentences
Hahaha I agree with 202 anyway even though it’s not your right to send burn a dvd just because you bought it because there is no such thing as true property when ruled by a government.
its cooll…
best regards
Luck Nutt
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I’m amazed. I hadn’t realised this election was only about file-sharing, whatever that is. I don’t recall it getting a mention in any of the publicity or newspaper coverage I saw I saw. And there was silly old me reading up policies on the economy and the environment and trade and agriculture and all that irrelevant rubbish. Well, you live and learn!
Anyway – I’m sure when I find out about it I’ll be happy to pay my share to get the advantage of whatever it might be. Tho I do seem to be able to get plenty of culture without it.
We definately need a Pirate Party in the US. Screw Democraps and Republicant’s.
The record labels,recording studios and producers have always taken the lions share of profits leaving little for the artists .Put these people out of business and the artist will survive the vampires however will perish leaving all profit to artists.THE CD IS DEAD,it is not stealing when all the consumer is doing is finally trying to take their life back after getting raped(over paying) for so long.
“215 Jun 10, 2009 at 17:51 by Bemused
I’m amazed. I hadn’t realised this election was only about file-sharing, whatever that is. I don’t recall it getting a mention in any of the publicity or newspaper coverage I saw.”
your mistaken Be-mused, this is NOT simply a ‘single issue’ concern , its far greater than that, once you consider the whole EU, and the other parts of the world.
the points made here for instance…
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2009/06/what-do-the-eu-results-and-pirate-party-mean-for-digital-rights/
“Politicians would be making a mistake to simply mock or ignore this new if eccentrically-named political force.
The Pirate Party have shown that politicians can lose their jobs if they fail to defend our rights.
They have demonstrated that young people want the public benefit from the new digital world.
The Pirate Party have demonstrated that privacy rights and fair copyright systems matter to people enough to vote for them.
Their election will open up a debate about how well the public interest is served by our current copyright and patent laws.
Their position is for a five year copyright term, and a file sharing exception.
These are somewhat extreme positions – but the very respectable ‘cultural flat rate’ proposal might in practice be something similar to a payment made in exchange for a file sharing exception.
And many copyright academics feel the economically optimal term for copyright is nearer 15 years than the life plus 70 years that most authored works can claim.
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“Privacy concerns have also been strong a factor in their election.
Sweden has seen resistance to implementing the Data Retention Directive, and the same link to protection of citizen’s interests has been made.
These are serious debates, and by and large, existing political voices, with a few notable exceptions, have failed in their duty to protect our fundamental human rights.”
Congrats from Romania !
“this is NOT simply a ‘single issue’ concern”
But,Use-https-Dummy – it’s being treated here as a single issue and, it would seem, by the Pirate party. It’s an issue. It needs to be discussed and reviewed in the light of new technology and new cultures – how to take account of those, while protecting legitimate interests of people who rely on what they create for their livelihood and the people and organisations who work with them to achieve that, but ignoring the greed culture of big business which exploits them. But it ain’t the most important issue, even for people who are really keen to get it. And calling it “digital rights” doesn’t give it anything but a false legitimacy, tho that’s a common way of trying it on. “I want it, so it must be my right”. Remember that there aren’t only rights, there are duties too – and there are rights for people on the other side of the argument.
It does need discussing. things need to change in an appropiate way.
But let’s not get carried away by unfounded propaganda.
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Europeans are fucking retarded
I don’t see how file-sharing is any different from grabbing a blank tape and making copies of songs off the radio. Movie stealing is the same as making a copy off the free to air set, albeit a rather late copy, with adds but hey.
It may only be a small splash in a big pond but I’m glad the Pirate Party have made it far enough foe people to realise they can have a voice. Now I DARE you all to boycott Macdonalds and show up at the next Bilderberg hotel :-)
Congratulations to the Pirate Party!!!
I wonder how many people voted for the Pirate Party just because their name was cooler than the other people’s?
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