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Qwest’s Unofficial 250 GB Data Cap

Today, Comcast officially announced a 250 GB cap, while threatening to disconnect users who exceed this limit more than once. Comcast is taking the heat once again, but they are not the only ISP that limits its users. Other ISPs, Qwest being one of them, have exactly the same policy – and the same threats.

qwest capThe 250GB bandwidth limit that Comcast has announced is not as new as it may seem. For several months, even years, Comcast subscribers who went over an “unspecified limit” have been contacted by the ISP. Customers are presented with two options: cut back their bandwidth use, or find a new provider. Today, however, they officially announced a 250 GB limit, perhaps in an attempt to be more transparent about their network management practices.

We’ve wrote before that ISPs are looking for new ways to manage their network by introducing bandwidth caps and metered plans. Although we’re not in favor of it, we have to applaud Comcast for being open about it. Most other ISPs have similar policies, limiting their unlimited services, but they seem to get away with it. One of these ISPs is Qwest, one of the larger Internet providers in the western United States, who forces customers to accept an invisible 250 GB cap.

Qwest’s approach is quite aggressive to say the least. When customers reach the magic limit, their web traffic is is redirected to an “excessive use” page. The page informs the customer that they “noticed extremely high usage” on their Qwest Broadband account. The notification blocks all HTTP access from your computer, making it impossible to access any website. In order to proceed and release the block on your system, customers must acknowledge notification on this web page, and agree to a new service agreement.

There are no other options, no personal phone calls, no further explanation what acceptable use is, or how customers can track their usage. The new service agreement, dated August 12, 2008 (pdf), allows Qwest to limit your use in any way they see fit, and even terminate your service when the customer exceeds the (invisible) limit again. Note that Qwest does not specify how much bandwith customers are allowed to use. They only state (pdf) that “normal” subscribers use 1-3 GB a month (oh really?), and that 40.000 – 80.000 typically sized MP3 downloads is considered to be excessive use.

Comcast’s MP3 limit 250 GB limit comes down to 62,500 4 MB MP3s, so it is safe to say that Qwest has a bandwidth cap that is similar to Comcast – 250 GB. Unlike Comcast, excessive use is not specified anywhere in the service agreement, so customers can only guess, and hope that their service will not be limited or terminated out of the blue.

One of the affected Qwest users, who tipped us off, told TorrentFreak: “Since Qwest holds a monopoly in many areas, they can continue to reduce allowed bandwidth usage as they add new users while not adding new infrastructure. Such radical bandwidth limitation will have a chilling effect on further evolution of the Internet. If people can’t get bandwidth, then they can’t use bandwidth intensive services such as YouTube and Netflix. We may never know what the future could have been.”

Indeed, as we have said before, ISPs should think ahead. To most “normal” customers 250 GB may sound as a lot of bandwidth, but this might be totally different in the future. Making an online backup of your harddrive is pretty much impossible with a bandwidth cap like this, so will HD-streaming. It hinders innovation while it’s ignoring the real problem. ISPs should invest in their network instead, but I guess it’s not only the entertainment industry that finds it hard to adapt to technological change.

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  • Anonymous

    Very bad for Tor relayers.

  • kph59

    Just found out today. I can’t say that it will affect me 100%, however, Comcast being the jackass it is, will probably cut back dramatically on this soon. Ugh. Get it while you still can, I suppose.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously bad business practice. After all, why would anyone want an ISP with a bandwidth cap?

  • FarkBT

    250GB???? You lucky bastard… We do get only 100gb in UK…damn it

  • Anonymous

    Anyone know if “RoadRunner” based in USA has any type of limitations?

  • PC

    250 Gb in the US, 100 GB in the UK … we get 30Gb MAX (for $100 per month) in Australia. Oh how you guys have it nice !!!

  • me

    roadrunner =time warner if not now it will soon

  • Anonymous

    250GB monthly cap isn’t that bad. i would rather no cap, but as caps go, it’s one of the more fair ones. At least it’s not something like the 5GB i’ve seen before which was terrible, and at least they say what it is so you can monitor and change your own bandwidth habits to make sure you don’t go over it.

    But comcast’s past actions are still terrible. doing something, keeping it secret, denying and lying about it? pathetic.

  • Drugs

    @5

    I read that Road Runner is trying a new beta of basically this in Texas I believe. At the moment, it’s only beta to see how it will work. I have Road Runner but live in the eastern United States so it doesn’t effect me…now anyway

  • esh

    I don’t see how people can complain about 250GB/month.

  • Ray

    Shit. I thought I was exempt for not being on comcast, but nooooo.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see why bandwidth has to be limited. Instead of building bigger, better roads they say, “just stop driving so much!”

  • Crynsos

    Well, 250 GB is quite annoying, but in other parts of the world it’s worse… like here in Austria it’s hard to get a reliable net connection (which doesn’t take half a year to get activated… or longer) without a limit… currently I’m using a 15 GB cap connection (because it works and is fast), and that’s really annoying… sharing for like 2-3 days can kill that connection… and that’s for one full month…

  • waffles54

    “Making an online backup of your harddrive is pretty much impossible with a bandwidth cap like this, so will HD-streaming”
    Everyone backsup their whole computer everyday and watch HD versions of some guy dancing around the world 500x times a day

  • Count Cracula

    These are not bandwidth caps, they are transfer caps

  • Josh

    “40.000 – 80.000 typically sized MP3 downloads is considered to be excessive use.”

    What the fuck.

    80K MP3s at 2.5 minutes ~= 3333 hours. Hours in a month ~= 720. Anyone downloading so much more than they could possibly use deserves to be speed limited heavily.

    These are not tier-1 providers. Bandwidth isn’t free. Stop making it hard for the 95% of normal users who don’t keep downloading just to fill up their hard drive. If you need to download 80K MP3s per month to affirm your existence, you are compensating.

  • syamsulstar

    anyone know if cablevision has one of these bandwidth limit thing?

  • QwestUs3r

    I just contacted qwest relating to this article, and was told:

    “dont believe everything you read on the internet”
    HAHAHAHA
    they wouldn’t admit to having any cap what so ever, and the lady said I could quote her statement of
    “Residential services have NO bandwidth cap”

    So, it may be a merage, but either way, qwest said it did not exist

  • Anonymous

    100GB limit in the UK? Stop bitching and change provider.

    £18pm, 24 meg down, 1.3 meg up, Unlimited usage

    bethere

  • Senseito

    The future is looking glum.

    Unlimited for the future.

  • Anonymous

    Yet you don’t state the ISP name…

  • baka pinkuu

    @18
    Yes, because everyone knows ISPs never lie. And all of their customer service people are omniscient about their company policies, too. ^_~

    Yeahhhhhh. Although I don’t blame you, I didn’t believe Netflix was lying about “unlimited” until they started doing it to me.

    (“It” = pretending they didn’t get discs back until several days later, and claiming they sent them several days earlier than they really did. There are only so many times you can believe USPS took a week to deliver something in the same city.)

  • Gothelder

    And this is why when I have something big to share I just plan ahead meet and share in person, takes 2 hours max to move a 100gb

    I bring a laptop and a usb external drives, so does the other person and bang the trade is made.

  • Anonymous

    “80K MP3s at 2.5 minutes ~= 3333 hours. Hours in a month ~= 720. Anyone downloading so much more than they could possibly use deserves to be speed limited heavily.”

    (2.5 minutes is really short for a song. 4 or 5 sounds more accurate for an average, even though for many songs it is just mostly a minute of content repeated a few times)

    Maybe we don’t always just download MP3s. What about movies? A 720p movie is around 4 or 8 GB. For an average of 6, with sharing it back to a ratio of 1:1, at one movie per day, that’s 360gb per 30 days.

    and what about people who want to upload their own torrents?

    but like said earlier, its not a terrible number. and that they awknoledge it is fair.

    just don’t lower it, comcast. upgrade your systems, too, and raise the speed you offer and the cap as you upgrade.

  • Anonymous

    god fucking damnit. I was about to switch from comcast and the only other provider in my area is qwest. I just got double fucked

  • PoPSiCLe

    Must say I get equally surprised each time I read about this. Here, in Norway, no providers operate with caps – if they did, they’d be out of customers within a very short period of time.

    Personally, I’ve transferred somewhere between 300-500 gigs each month for about 3-4 years now, and for 2 of those years I’ve been working for the ISP in question – I’m a more “casual” user, actually. So, bandwidth usage limits, I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    and what did i tell you americans that they were doing in canada would be coming to you next.

    They are osing the fight up here however.
    NEW copyright law or the BAD DMCA for canada is about to never see the light.

    the squeeze is on and i hope every under 35 yr old in canada votes it would change the country.

    i am with the last ISP in canada other then video tron that has an unlimited plan.

    but to do that i nee dot buy two accounts and lines ( doubling cost yet doubling speed)

    however bell is caving of late slowly under more andmore lawsuits, my own narrowly averted because of all the proof ( why pay all hte attorneys fees and a pain and suffering possibility when i am merely asking for 160$ that i am owed )

    also we now have a watch dog that costs ISPS 1000$ per investigation
    and by that critera i have 16 separate complaints i could file thus ensuring they make no money off ripping me fraking off.

    the old crowd thats in control is now fearing its losing that control.
    KEEP FIGHTING.
    DONT buy riaa/mpaa goods, boycott theatres and make sure kids are informed that lawsuits are never cool if you can avoid them.

    never let someone extort you either.

  • Anonymous

    In Australia we have to choose from a variety of plans with varying data quotas from a variety of ISP’s. When you exceed your usage you are either charged an outrageous amount for excess data or your connection speed is ‘shaped’ down to 64 or 128 kb/s.

    It seems in the US there is only one type of plan and this is one of the problems – if there were different levels – cheaper plans with less data and more expensive ones with more – the ISps could be specific about how much data you can get per month. It seems that the US ISP’s like to use the ‘unlimited’ term for marketing reasons.

    You people in the US should at least be greatful that you get so much data for so little – in Australia to get 250GB residential, at a decent speed (>1500Kb/s), if you could find a plan with that much per month, it would cost you at least US $250 per month – probably a lot more !

  • ronmanp

    Here in Montreal I have Videotron and a 30gb cap for about 50$ with a 3 year contract! Id love to have that 250gb lol

    but I agress that saying Unlimited when its not is totaly fraudulous..

  • Eh

    I get 450MB of bandwidth a day. I would love to have 250GB a month or even 90GB…or 60GB…or 30GB even.

  • missandmisterkinky

    there is only one constant, that is change, who would want to look “old” tomorrow?

  • Zpoon

    250GB is actually more than enough, well for me anyway. I have a 60Gb/month cap with Bell Canada and I’m able to keep my private tracker ratios and still have lots of bandwidth to spare.

  • Kyle

    I called comcast to complain and was treated like garbage (no surprises there) and looked at switching to qwest, however, I was not surprised to read this.

    Over at comcast they told me that the users were interviewed on this and that they WANTED this cap. Give me a break. Thats a bunch of bull. If they did interview users, they picked the morons who don’t know anything about the computing world.

    This is very bad. I say that if we start making enough noise now (peacefully) (ie calling our congressmen, protesting, writing articles) then we might be able to turn the tide. Else, welcome to the future…

  • Zpoon

    @32

    If you were a user who likes to just check his email and surf the web, why would they care about a cap? For them it might mean a faster network when there’s control.

  • Anonymous

    “If you were a user who likes to just check his email and surf the web, why would they care about a cap? For them it might mean a faster network when there’s control.”

    For surfing the web and checking emails you really won’t see much of a difference between 1Mbit and 10Mbit, so you aren’t going to notice your 10Mbit connection has been slowed down to 1Mbit by people using their 10Mbit connection to the fullest.

    Those numbers are just an example though :)

  • Own3mall

    Quick, someone sue them so the FCC again intervenes and rules for the public!?!?!?!?!

  • Cracker Jack

    Ive had qwest broadband for almost 2 years this december, it’s very nice, my connection maxes out at 160 kb/s download and 90 kb/s upload, so I have no issues with downloading / uploading caps, as I really can’t do that with this slow of a connection hahaha

    In the last 3 months about, I’ve barely used 200GB

    MPLS, MN

  • Bryan

    Screw Comcast and their monopoly over the Chigoland area. I would switch so fast if there was a provider who could compete with their speeds. Hopefully Fios comes around soon..

    ugh!

  • P2P Lover

    All I have to say is that I signed a contract for a certain “top speed” to be provided and in said contract there was nothing stated about a data limit. So please try and say I went over some “limit” that I was NEVER notified about and was not in the contract that I signed! Comcast is a joke! The have screwed my bill up over 7 times already in the 12 months I have subscribed to their “service”!
    http://www.comcastmustdie.com

  • 250gb is nothing..
    5 days.

    Everyone that says its “enough” dont know the term unlimited, have slow connections or dont have a server or similar. They dont use their connections. Set up a HD stream with 1 movie and watch how fast it gets eaten up. You can also rent some HD movies and stream them to see it get eaten up.

    If you have a 100/100 or even 24/24 or even 10/10 connection you can use that up very fast, in a matter of days.

    All it takes is a program like Blizzard Downloader/EA Downloader or even your torrentclient not closing properly and keep shugging away without your knowlege.

    With more and more big companies using Bittorrent as distribution this is bound to create serious problems for users with Comcast, i would advice them not using CABLE companies at all but im sure they have no alternative.
    Here unlimited means what it says, companies cant just make shit up like in the US.

  • Kyle

    For those who are saying that you’re fine with 250 gigs, you must understand that they are setting a standard here. We will over time most likely see this number lowered to 100 gigs and then after more time there will be plans that they will sell you. For example there might be a family plan that would allow a house hold 60 gigs a month and an extreme gamer’s plan for 180 gigs. Its all a scam and if we don’t put our foot down and tell these companies that enough is enough, we will never again see the days of unlimited information.

    Also, to those of you who live outside the USA. I have lived for a few years outside the US myself and feel your pain. However, in every country that I lived in, there was always an option for an unlimited internet plan and it was never more than ~ 65 us a month. The fact that comcast will not offer an alternative is clearly unacceptable.

  • Skyhawk

    Boy would I like to have these terms:

    In Japan, which boasts one of the most advanced fiber-optic broadband markets in the world, one carrier recently implemented a usage cap, but it was 30 GB per day — roughly an-eighth of Comcast’s total monthly cap.

  • nexus

    puerto rico -onelink -$55- 40gb cap monthly

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps organise a mass demonstration, everybody just leave their connections open fully continuously. If the isp tries to apply pressure then quit for 1 month the direct debit ant your bank. What the hell can they do, cut everybody off the internet???????? The might seem big and powerful but the fact is they do not have the manpower to do anything on mass.

  • nWo

    shit i feel sorry for all of you lol. Move to Canada and get MTS Allstream no cap ftw!

  • enter8

    Where are the Mongolians saying “a 50 gig cap? We have no internet in our country whatsoever!!!” :)

    My heart goes out to the rest of the world with their antiquated networks, but that’s not the issue here. The issue is that America, for the most part, IS the internet. We are, at the present time, the richest nation on the planet. We shouldn’t be getting pwned by Sweden, Romania and Japan and we shouldn’t be bilked by dishonest providers advertising unlimited access.

    If any of these ISPs had an ounce of integrity, we’d all have 100 mb pipes and paying pennies for them. Instead, they lie, they cheat and they steal. All caps are evil and the companies that enact them, whether it be openly or convertly deserve a slow tortuous death.

  • Anonymous

    This is epic lulz, we in Sweden don’t have any lame limits. I can download as much as I like.

  • Russian

    Guys, come to Russia! We don’t have any limitations in Moscow :D
    From Russia with love…

  • s2pid

    Welcome to Unwired Fiji.

    Shits all the same here.

  • Neverhood

    It’s nice to see that the ISP’s who always had a transfer cap on their ‘unlimited’ offers, finally admit it.

    It is a shame that they dont see that it will hurt their future market, and slow down adoption of internet enabled/based applications. The slower the adoption of new applications, the less people want faster connections, and the less they are willing to pay.
    And that hurts the whole industry, and ISP’s the most.

  • will

    #4 i live in the uk 100gb limit talktalk dont have a limit! and its “free” (£10 a month cause im not in a city)

  • arie

    lol in holland whe doint have a data cap

  • zlinky

    in russia the data caps you

  • Anonymous

    “Everyone that says its “enough” dont know the term unlimited, have slow connections or dont have a server or similar. They dont use their connections. Set up a HD stream with 1 movie and watch how fast it gets eaten up. You can also rent some HD movies and stream them to see it get eaten up.”

    Right. If i had a 1Gbit connection any cap under 10TB would be bad…

    But I don’t :)

    “Guys, come to Russia! We don’t have any limitations in Moscow :D
    From Russia with love…”

    and you have very low taxes :x

  • Viper007Bond

    This must be a 250GB download cap or not in all markets because I do 325-400GB combined a month on my 1.5mbit/896k Qwest DSL line. My download totals 200-225GB a month.

    One of the biggest reasons I haven’t switched to Comcast (besides the price) is because I know I’d use more if I were on a faster line. Hulu, video games, etc. are just too much fun.

  • Viper007Bond

    By the way:

    250 (gigabytes / month) = 0.77878308 megabits a second

  • Hmm

    Well with the crap broadband they have in USA i might be hard to reach the cap, but in most other west countries that actully have good broadband and HD-streaming from most of the channels this cap would suck soo bad.

    My avrage ratio is around 600-800GB a month….

  • Chris Kerrigan

    I work for Time Warner Cable as a network technician and I live in New York State and also have RoadRunner as a service. Currently, Time Warner has been testing the idea in the south, but from my understanding, there are no major plans as of YET to implement this on a national basis.

  • nil80

    Not sure i’d want to sign up with a company like Time Warner. Considering they make movies that i’d be downloading illegally through a connection owned by them, doesn’t sound like a bright idea.

  • Pixelated

    Seriously quite crying and whining saying stupid shit like “Oh these are bad times”. 250GB per month is a massive amount of bandwidth. Anyone going over that doesn’t deserve to have the internet.

    To the idiot who says Tor relays are going to suffer. Do you know anything about anything? Seriously the only ones using more than 250GB are people who have a downloading addiction and need to be cut off so they can get some psychiatric help.

  • Anonymous

    The people quoting Australian figures are either stupid or lying.
    Internode is my ISP and they charge $90AU for 55GB at up to 24Mbps, I only get 11Mbps,
    Although I regularly reach my limit I am able to either sit on 128k or buy more data at around $5 per GB.
    If anyone used the word unlimited here they would be hung by the balls if they actually had a data cap.

  • Gavin

    Americans need better consumer protection laws so that unlimited really means that.

  • Jeff

    The Time Warner cap being implemented
    in some areas of Texas (Beaumont,
    IIRC) for new subscribers was 40 GB/
    month. And this I believe was for the
    highest tier.

  • The Lord

    What the hell??? 250 is enough for a month, even for a home user to backup their system. You wouldn’t be able to do all of your backup at once maybe, but over a couple of months you’re done. Then it’s only a case of uploading the new files you have since your last backup which isn’t a lot. like another has said, we get around 100GB in the UK. 2 years ago it was 50GB for us. I can’t think why this article has been posted. Can’t you be happy with anything???

  • Darn Whistler

    I am getting sick and tired of stupid ISPs dictating who does what! Last time I checked, Unlimited meant UNLIMITED. Not “Use till we think you have used enough”.

    Whistler
    http://www.Privacy-Center.net

  • Anonymous

    industry colusion begins , does this violate anti trust laws and create a monopoly , as technically now youd not have any competition.

    every one at 250GB

  • chronoss

    2 megabit unlimited = about 250GB

    think about that when you get your 25 megabit account wiht a 250GB cap

    its usueless speed showboating speed when then are really JUST consumer gounging

  • Izkata

    Ugh. None of you seem to be getting the full picture.

    1. I bittorrent. You all get that part of the picture.
    2. Both my brothers are on an MMO for something like 6+ hours a day.
    3. All three of us plus both my parents use the internet very prolifically. Text may not be much to transfer, but did you ever think about the sheer amount of images you’re loading? Especially if you use StumbleUpon?

    Combined, we’d have no problem quickly reaching that cap.

    =======
    Also:
    @42: You fail at math – The Japanese provider’s cap is 3.6 times *higher* than Comcast’s cap. That Japanese provider is per day, while Comcast is per *month*

    =======
    And here’s some measures that’ll help with measurements:
    (Assume continuous running for entire span)

    40 kb/s = 98.88 GB / 30 days
    250 GB / 30 days = 101.135 kb/s

  • Anonymous

    @19
    Most UK ISPs have an invisible cap too.
    Orange’s invisible cap is 40GB/month.

  • Dierna

    Humm… 250 gb cap… Hrm….Im not sure if I use that much a month. Ah well..there’s plenty of ISP’s out there I can use.

    Just found an article from Sept 2007 that says this will only effect less than 0.01% of Comcasts users. “In fact, 95 percent of our users could increase their bandwidth usage a hundred-fold and still be in compliance,” he said

    So it seems that Comcast has had the cap for a year already and it was originally gonna be 90gb. So 250 gb is ok I guess.

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070919-comcast-speaks-out-on-bandwidth-caps-says-they-only-affect-0-01-of-users.html

  • Hmm

    Too The Lord:

    Too say that you dont need 250GB a month is just like when Bill Gates said you dont need more then 512kB ram. If you havent understood it yet everythings evolve and that includes media formats.

    At this time i have access too 28 diffrent channels that stream all content in HD-1080P, thats roughly 8,4MB/s and at those speed a 250GB is gone very fast. Even if all you are watching is news/normal TV-series.

  • xtreme user

    unlimited in romania…he he he

  • Tim

    I’m a Qwest subscriber, and they’re advertising for their 20mb fiber optic service now.

    If they continue that kind of a cap, with that service, it’d make a lot of new subscribers pissed.

  • ANDy

    Eeeh?! I do more than 250GB daily… mostly to help out seeding good stuff on TPB. And I know many many other Swedes do the same. Large US ISPs are corporate nazis!!

  • Anonymous

    i used to have a cable company in Manheim,Pa (blue ridge cable). They used to limit upload and download as well.40GB up and 80GB. They used to send me letters telling me I was over the limit. But it took me 3 notices before they told me what the limit was. Before I moved to York,pa my last month with them. I got them good LOL 450gb DL and 1TB up my ratio was good that month.

  • Baz

    @ #38 Same here Bryan, I’m going to jump on that FIOS as soon as I can.

  • Anonymous

    Just use these guys, and forget about cable companies.

    http://www.clearwire.com/

  • Eric

    Bandwidth capping seems quite unfair. For one, it would be hard to keep track of, especially if you like to play games online. Also, if you have multiple computers, then a software application to track bandwidth would not be the best solution.

    This is starting to remind me of the mid-90s, when dialup access was common and many ISPs limited usage and charged for a certain number of hours per month of use. I remember 30 hours per month being a common tier for ISPs back then.

  • Rob

    This is just going to increase the use of wireless hax0ring. “My bandwidth ran out, so I just used my neighbors!” … sigh.

  • Anonymous

    @77

    Clearwire throttles Bittorrent very aggressively. Consider which website we’re posting on.

  • Anonymous

    …And one day they realized piracy could not be stopped.

    “What, oh what, shall we do?”

    “Let’s see… if games and movies increase in size each year…”

    “we could invest in… SHHHH!!!”

    …And the dopes said hey it’s cool, we don’t even need 250GBs.

  • lobofanina

    I’ve used Qwest for about 3 years now and have consumed over 250GB down some months and less others, yet I’ve not EVER had problems with them.

    Maybe I’m lucky and they haven’t oversold in Albuquerque, yet.

    Last month (July) 287GB down 119GB up. No call no special web page nothing.

    I have two DSL connections through Qwest, I’m positive I’ve used 250gb down on one connection or 500gb total through the two connections in a single month . A couple months I’ve even uploaded over 250GB on a single DSL line.

    Anecdotal evidence, absolutely, but no different from this article.

  • Anonymous

    sure, 250gb seems reasonable, and it is for now. but this is just the first step. let’s wait two years. they’ll increase the speed so they can advertise it, but they won’t increase the cap.

    comcast: don’t offer a speed if you can’t offer it unlimited, ok? :)

  • Phil

    How can anyone complain about this if australia cops 30 GIGABYTE USAGE CAPS!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Damn you people. I wish i had 250GB, i have an unlimited plan in Australia but i get capped (slow down to dial up speed) at 12Gb on peak (12pm to 12am) and 24gb off peak (12am to 12pm) and this is one of the biggest plans you can get with my isp (optus). We also pay around $70 a month for this. I don’t know how much you pay but all i know is it is going to be a better deal.

  • Joe

    250Gb!!!! I’d kill for that. In australia I get a massive 12Gb a month

  • Anonymous

    Does Embarq do this as well? I have seen my internet connection slow down in Vegas.

  • toonz

    Well I can see this coming to pretty much all US ISPs until FIOS comes around if you live in a big city that is. For those of use that don’t subscribe to cable I watch 99% of my TV on streaming legal websites and I play a lot of online games. I foresee a huge issue in that department as you transfer huge amounts of data when playing online games…WOW for example you are transferring at least 1mb a sec upstream and downstream. Play enough and you burn up over half your usage a month. Then add in streaming tv/movies in Standard Def, let alone high def rentals and you are spent. Its pretty lame if you ask me.

  • Comcrap user

    I wonder if verizon fios has a cap????….they should be in my area soon……I wonder how comcrap is going to feel when they start seeing a lot of those bandwidth hogs going to a faster network…then telling family and friends to switch…….Ive used to be a comcast fan…..and I use bittorrent….have never been warned……Ive lost faith in COMCRAP….GIVE ME FIOS

  • TheEditor

    The best thing that can happen from all of this is for Verizon to step up to the plate and get FiOS into more areas and do a major advertising blitz about how they DON’T cap because their network is designed to deliver data at a rate which Comcrap and the others will never be able to match. The Comcrap 250gb cap is no surprise since the same company compresses HDTV signals and when they are decoded they look like total shit.

    FiOS baby, 100% digital and 100% worth it.

  • Anonymous

    Vote with your feet and ditch them if at all possible. Let them know why you’re leaving, too (believe it or not they take notice real quickly when money is on the line).

  • Dante Xaiver

    Here In Canada i am On Shaw Extreme their bandwidth cap is at 100gigs a month up and down i have so far this month done 600gigs

  • Naruto Uzumaki

    Remember, this counts for both download and uploading. when ever you receive a packet of data, you send a ack packet which tells the server to send the next packet. the ack packets are smaller but they add up when downloading.

    if you were to download a 250GB file from a normal site like download.com, you would use around 300GB of bandwidth due to ack, syn and syn ack packets.

    also they count data sent to your IP and not data that you actually receive

    A user with a low bandwidth cap, and with a 256kb download connection can still be flooded with a user pushing 30mbits/s and and the counter will count all 30mbits/s and push the user over their bandwidth cap

    This happened to a few people I know from BF2

    A user hosted images on his own personal server, and posted it in the forums then looked at his server logs to get a few IPs then did a packet flood

    In the UK he had a static IP and he knew he was getting flooded so he turned off his modem, for the rest of the day. by the next day, his ISP stopped his service as he only had a 5GB bandwidth cap and even though the modem was off the isp still logged the flood as bandwidth usage.

    if your IP draws traffic to the to your ISP then they count it as bandwidth usage

  • Anonymous

    Comcast claims that “normal subscribers use 1-3 GB a month”.

    I did 11.5 GB on Friday… 5.3 was from Opera (browsing, email, downloading) and 700MB in uTorrent.

    Wanna watch how fast I can change providers?

  • Dingo_RG

    This seems that after of almost 100 comments, Nobody has realized that any internet connection with a cap of 250GB/month is EXACTLY EQUAL than an UNLIMITED (512 down / 256 up) kbps cheap and obsolete ADSL.

    BTW, 250 GB is DATA TRANSFER and this is download + upload, not only download; according to the information of Comcast.

    Comcast is simply a bunch of THIEVES.

    That I don’t understand, is as even the moment, Comcast has not been SUED by liar and thief. This dishonest corporation deserves that.

    This seems that the regular american citizen is so stupid and submissive that allows to the big corporations STEALING their money, freedom and privacy, without any complaints at all.

  • qwestuser

    This article is inaccurate. Qwest has no clear cut bandwidth cap. I use 500gb a month regularly and haven’t got a letter. 12/1 FTTH service.

  • Rico

    @Pixelated

    WTF are you talking about? I live in an area where Qwest holds a monopoly… either you have service with them, or you have NOTHING.

    I live in a house with 4 other roommates. All in college. 250/5 = 50 GB per month per person.

    The HD streaming of movies ALONE will put is in the 150 GB zone, let alone if we want to play xbox or pc or ps2 online, patch games, download demos, (which are in the GBs these days).

    Three of us have online courses this semester, the teacher and students communicate in a web feed, assignments are turned in online.

    All that will easily put us over the 250 GB mark by itself, let alone daily web surfing, email, etc. So please “Pixelated”, STFU since you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Most customers are families or multiple users, and the caps are ridiculous for them.

  • ZarathustrA

    #96 (qwestuser)

    It helps to know what you’re calling inaccurate so I suggest you try reading the fucking article, dipshit.

  • Epic Fail

    #10 esh posted:

    “I don’t see how people can complain about 250GB/month.”

    I don’t see how people can complain about 125GB/month.

    I don’t see how people can complain about 60GB/month.

    I don’t see how people can complain about 30GB/month.

    Get the picture yet? Once you let them get their foot in the door, you’re screwed. Better to put a stop to it now while you still can, and help to prevent the idea spreading. Try to remember all the folks out there you download from and what will happen to you when they are all affected too.

  • John S

    @18
    prior to our shut off from Comcast i had asked 3 PEOPLE from Comcast if there were any “download limits”, “bandwidth caps”, etc.. all 3 said no, its “unlimited”.

    when we did get shut off and were talking tot he abuse line, who by the way treated us like garbage as well and had committed treason or soemthing against the country, had told us they mean unlimited as “unlimited access” not unlimited bandwidth. access being its always on. which is complete BS cause no shit its always on as its not dial-up.

    @71
    the memory amount is 640k not 512k as all computers still have the basic 64k basic memory space. all the memory you put in your computer is extended memory. :D
    oh and apparently Bill Gates never said that quote anyway.
    http://imranontech.com/2007/02/20/did-bill-gates-say-the-640k-line/

    regarding the article referencing Qwest…
    we have Qwest now after being shut off from comcast and the installer guy has said there is no limit also as i was talking with him about why we were getting the DSL instead of the cable line and he said that he thinks limits are pretty dumb and that Qwest doesnt have any monthly limits. that coulda been to his knowledge but to this day we havent had issues with it.

    now to all the people NOT in the US and think that 250gb is more than enough for anyone go complain to your governments about why your countries internet speeds suck so badly. we cannot help it if it costs too much money for australia to string cables across the whole outback to feed internet to a city hundreds of miles away from another city.

    the fact is that future will bring more bandwidth intensive applications and uses so these ISPs need to get with the times and stop hindering all this innovation or else someone else will come along and make huge profit off their dinosaur age business practices. then itll be too late for them.

    the part that annoys me too is how ISPs think anyone using more than those caps must be doing something illegally so that justifies a cap in their minds. there are plenty of legal ways to use bandwidth as have been mentioned in previous comments above.

    well i think that is about all for me for now. :D

  • Lachlan Hunt

    250GB isn’t too bad. Since I come from Australia, I’m used to deal with caps generally ranging from around 5GB to 60GB per month, depending on the plan and ISP.

  • freddy

    what about those of us who are lucky to be able to work from home but have massive amounts of data to deal with .. and then theres the voip ..

  • anonymous coward

    its not the cap that people are complaining about, its the fact that these companies up-sell the plans as data rate plans (ie./ 3MB/s, 9MB/s, 20Mb/sec) and *THEN* impose a cap. Honestly, I purchased a 3MB/sec downspeed connection, then for a month, I *SHOULD* be able to download, according to my rae plan that I purchased:

    30 days x 3MB/sec x 86400 sec/day x 1MB/1000KB =

    ******7776 MB*******

    so f your caps unless that is a specific plan that you are selling.

  • Anonymous

    QWEST is advertising up to 20Mb/sec, so if I purchase this plan, and typically usage is 1-3GB/month,

    I exceed my usage after less then a day?

  • Izkata

    30 days x 3MB/sec x 86400 sec/day x 1MB/1000KB =

    ******7776 MB*******

    Bad math again… You started at MB/s, not KB/s, and your division should be by 1024 – your final result is 7593.75 GB

  • Dingo_RG

    Hey people, read very carefully!!! 250 GB Cap from Comcast is DATA TRANSFER (upload + download) not only download!!!, as many people here believe.

    If (for example) you uploaded 250 GB in a month and not download nothing in that time, you used all of your limit…

    If you downloaded 125 GB and uploaded 125 GB in a month you used all of your limit too.

    In a few words, you can’t do nothing with this!!!

    It’s clearly a SCAM, and the people that say that “is not so bad” or “this is nice” are obviously people that have not any clue about internet or people (from Comcast) infiltrated here for deceiving to the internet users or costumers.

    The REAL problem with Comcast is that its infrastructure is outdated, and they don’t want to update it; that’s all!!

    They offer internet plans that cannot support, and for this reason are the caps.

    Comcast has not the infrastructure for giving an unlimited connection of 4, 6 or 8 MB as they offer, these are the real facts.

    The only UNLIMITED connection that Comcast could offer (given its outdated infrastructure) is a simple (512 kbps down / 256 kbps); which working to maximum capacity gives a total DATA TRANSFER of 250GB in a month.

    It’s obviously a SCAM, and I think that exist sufficient evidence for starting a judicial process against this nefast corporation called Comcast, for deceiving to its customers with misleading advertising, and by being also an obstacle against the healthy development of internet technology and communications in general.

  • Jonathan

    I like the way my ISP handle’s things. They don’t set a limit per month but they do set limits for time slots.

    The most agressive time slot is 5pm till 9pm and during that time I can download 3GB. What happens if I download more? My speed is simply reduced, but still remains fast enough to watch any youtube video (well more like 10 at once) based on the last video I watched.

    10am till 5pm they limit to 6GB and the other hours they have no limit.

    I much rather than a clearly defined limit like this (without the severe speed limits you do see) than one that sets a monthly limit on you. Hey, I even like them so much I set any big transfers to go at 4am :) Ah and the joy of WOL.

  • zee

    such ISPs deserve the axe!
    there is no way this is good for the future of the interwebs and for themselves…
    should they be reminded that if they limit the bandwidth use they de facto limit the expansion of the web and in the long run their own expansion?

    http://www.twilightcampaign.net w00p

  • Jeff

    In areas where there is no serious
    competition, Comcast is likely going
    to get away with this.

    However, in areas where FiOS or other
    competition exists, they are going to
    lose customers, especially if the
    competition uses lack of monthly
    usage caps as a selling point.

  • Fraudband

    In Australia, we get screwed by our telco’s claiming 256k is broadband, I pay $55 per month for 12gb download at 1.5mps speed, you lucky bastards.

  • zarathustra

    #98 – please don’t sockpuppet me.

    If an honest coincidence, try anoterh nick. =]

  • QwertyKey

    I literlly read every single comment here, and no one has mentioned what should seem like the biggest concern to me. Now as Fios and UVerse expand, I doubt we’ll see caps go down, but I bet we’ll see them remain stagnant for a while, only to go up slowly, and companies who do not currently have bandwidth caps will add them (Maybe Fios, advertised as a better serive, will offer a 500GB cap, and that will remain for years until someone comes and offers something higher).

  • ALIS

    @88

    “WOW for example you are transferring at least 1mb a sec upstream and downstream.”

    Where did you get that kinda numbers? I just checked netlimiter and with updates and all wow has transfered THIS YEAR around 3gb combined up and down. And i play ALOT like 5-14 hours a day since april.

  • Anonymous

    Is this per month/year/entire subscription period???

  • asdf

    there gotta be some other ISP/tariff you can turn to. I live in uk and have truly unlimited 18MB broadband which normally max out at 1.9Mb/s.quite pricy though,nearly 30 quid per month.I thought people in the states have more liberation.Let’s hope Barack Obama can make some changes.

  • Anonymous

    no caps for us in SIngapore ..muahahhahaha

  • baka pinkuu

    I say we “cap” the CEOs.

  • lolwut

    Damn you Qwest.

    I just informed my friend about this and he shat bricks. Now he’s deciding on whether he should switch to Comcast or not for better value’s sake.

    In my area we have AT&T DSL (soon to be capped or so I hear) and CableOne internet (cuts your speeds in half if you download excessively in one day, though no monthly caps)

  • Dingo_RG

    “In my area we have AT&T DSL (soon to be capped or so I hear) and CableOne internet (cuts your speeds in half if you download excessively in one day, though no monthly caps)”

    USA, the land of the corruption, of the abuse, of the vulgarity and of the bad examples.

  • Tilo000

    Incredible… If I contract a connection of 4 MB or 8 MB, this is supposed to be that.

    The people that contract high speed connections is for using like that: HD Video TV streams, playing online games, streaming audio or video, BitTorrent, YouTube, downloading a lot of things without restrictions, etc.

    For what I need a high speed connection that I cannot use?

    These assholes of Comcast and Qwest pretend that the people use its high speed connection for only browsing and read e-mails? Fuck You, retarded people from Comcast and Qwest, You are a bunch of THIEVES.

    If I want only browsing and read e-mails with only a 512kbps unlimited connection is sufficient.

    USA is definitely an extreme corrupt country, where the big corporations are free of doing that they want and breaking the law also as they want without any punishment at all, and also the average USA citizen is a person imbecile, submissive and without personality, that allow to abusive and corrupt corporations do all that they want too.

  • jimmy

    data caps started in australia over a decade ago because australia had limited internet links to the rest of the world. I dont see what excuse the american ISP’s have to start data caps except for making more profit, they should have been investing in their own network infrastructure instead of making record profits to their shareholders then we wouldnt be seeing this problem.

  • Blow me Vadera

    “and also the average USA citizen is a person imbecile, submissive and without personality, that allow to abusive and corrupt corporations do all that they want too.”

    LOL

    English, bitch!

  • Dingo_RG

    @Blow me Vadera (post 122)

    Hey imbecile;

    Didn’t you know that not all the people on the internet are native english speakers?

    Regardless of the grammatical errors, all that said by Tilo000 (post 120) is true… or perhaps, can you deny it?

  • Anonymous

    Fuck qwest, i was happily using their service for over 3 years until a week ago they disconnected my service. No letter, no call, nothing. 7 days and over 4 hours logged talking to customer service over the phone finally got my service back, after they had me remove a bittorrent client from a computer. I dont even want to pay these cunts anymore.

  • EXODUS

    lol thailand is lucky unlimited 10 mbps for 50 USD (1200 THB) love currency if you visit thailand you yanks

  • KrYsYs

    i do not know if cablevision does, but i believe wavecable does, and they even snitch on you to the mpaa

  • gallantvoyager

    “unlimited” in the UK seems to usually mean “download more than 40GB and we’ll throttle you”. Supanet have just introduced a throttle – 4.00 p.m.-2.00 a.m. (10 whole hours) – for downloading over 30GB. Any UK resident got a good ISP they want to recommend? 100GB plus?

  • Death to Greed

    You guys think you have it bad I have it worse I have a 60 GB connection ohh and they did not tell me. They had to keep customers if they were on unlimited so they tricked me and others into switching to a 60 GB cap and they don't tell you that. They offered me a 360 in the deal well I have gone over the cap using the console they provided to download high definition movies to watch and I went over my 60 by 50 GB and I am not kidding there. That is just for movies I went over even more for online gaming. This is just using the fucking device that bell had tricked me into a 60 GB cap to get.

    They told me it was on my contract well I found the contract no where did it say I would be ending up with a 60 GB cap. They will not even put me back even though they are lieing sacks of crap. They know dam well I was not told they lied to me on purpose and somehow get away with it.

    Now I have a year and a half of this shit. Well actually it is a year they gave me 6 months where I don't have to pay this over usage fee. You know what I am going to big time use that. They thought that just using 100 GB was a resource hog wait till they see that I am using 400 GB a month or more for that 6 months.

    For that 6 months I will simply waste bandwidth on purpose. I will re download all the software I bought every week just for the hell of it. I went with them from being promised unlimited and then they just remove that.

    You know why they did that? I beat it out of them but the reason is they sold the unlimited then people took them up on it then they realized that was a mistake. So now bell is charging Canadians to upgrade there infrastructure that they had help from the Canadian government to build. So they are forcing all Canadians to pay for there upgrades and also they use it for an excuse to make more money while doing it.

    I wish I could get everyone in Canada to just refuse to pay bell for there service untill they remove the cap. What are they going to do disconnect all of Canada from the internet which is for the most part there customer base?

    The answer is of course not they will remove the cap if they face bankruptcy. I was not one of the stupid people to accept it but other dumb asses in canada were ok with this so now I am fucked over for there lack of coherent thought.

    Infact I wish this couib be a world wide thing in all countries to show all the greddy rich greasy money grubbers that that should be no more. Infact I know a perfect solution give me a licence to kill and a bucnh of guns bring each money grubber to me I will kill each one I don't care how many it is. In fact I would enjoy it maybee record some of the greddy people begging for there life so I can listen to it before I go to sleep at night sort of as a lullaby.

    I think that is the only option kill some money grubbers make sure it is telivised and have a message saying all other greedy money grubbers need to stop there ways now or they are next to die. They will stop because to keep going would be certain death.

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