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Retired, Computerless Woman Fined For Pirating ‘Hooligan’ Movie

Despite not owning a computer or even a router, a retired woman has been ordered by a court to pay compensation to a movie company. The woman had been pursued by a rightsholder who claimed she had illegally shared a violent movie about hooligans on the Internet, but the fact that she didn’t even have an email address proved of little interest to the court. Guilty until proven innocent is the formula in Germany.

hooligansThe just-concluded case in Germany demonstrates perfectly that in some jurisdictions the standard way to deal with a file-sharing claim is guilty until proven innocent.

At 09:10 during a cold January morning in 2010, the defendant in the case says she was tucked up in bed. A movie copyright holder, however, insists the retired single woman was illegally sharing files on the Internet.

The settlement letter sent to the woman by the copyright holder stated clearly that on January 4th she’d been using the eDonkey network to share a violent film about hooligans. For this offense she must pay compensation of around 650 euros or face court, they said.

Like so many claims of this nature, the accusation was problematic. Although she previously subscribed to a 2-year Internet and telephone package, six months earlier the woman had sold her computer and didn’t even maintain an email address. After refuting the allegations of the rightsholder, the case went to court.

The Munich District Court handled the case, and heard evidence that not only is the woman computerless, she lives alone and doesn’t possess a wireless router either. How the alleged offense could have been carried out even by a third party remains a mystery.

Nevertheless, none of the above protestations were of interest to the court. Despite the fact that the copyright holder and/or their tracking company could have made errors, or that the woman’s ISP could have identified her account incorrectly, none of these avenues were examined.

“Normally the copyright holder has to prove who did the copyright infringement. As this is hard for him – because he has no chance to look into thousand houses – the courts in Germany alleviate this burden of proof,” explains Christian Solmecke, a lawyer with Wilde Beuger Solmecke, the law firm that defended the woman.

Solmecke told TorrentFreak that initially all a copyright holder has to do is show that a protected work has been traded via a specific IP-address, then the accused has to prove their innocence.

“In the next step the defendant has to prove, that neither he nor anyone else who had access to his internet account did the copyright infringement. In my opinion our client has proved that fact. If you have no computer and no W-LAN, there has to be a failure in the backtracking of the IP-address,” he added.

The bottom line in Germany is that account holders are responsible for everything that happens on their account and if they can’t prove their innocence, they are found guilty. The woman must now pay just over 650 euros in damages to the copyright holder.

There can be little doubt that German law is tipped heavily in the favor of rightsholders. Little surprise then that Germany is without doubt the worst place in the world for pay-up-or-else-schemes. So how often are people wrongly accused?

“Every second person tells me, that he or she appears to be wrongfully accused,” says Solmecke. “Some of them lie even to their lawyer but most of them tell the truth. From my point of view, there has to be a big mistake in some of the different backtracking-systems.”

So for now the formula for rightsholders seems incredibly simple.

IP address. Accusation. Profit.

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  • Guest

    Just one of the many reasons why I’ll be voting for the Piraten Partei in the next election.

    • Argh

      Piraten Partei don’t have much money to make much impact. The politicians are bought by the MAFIAA. Laws and policies are changing to suit the MAFIAA not for the good of the people it is meant to serve.

      Copyright copywrong whatever.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        That same Partei scored some epic win on Berlin. There’s no better fuel than ppl completely pissed off at the Govt ;)

      • Rickards

        i’m sorry, what? elected politicians are funded by tax payers. Also, at least in my country, lobbyists can only contribute to their election campaigns; where unofficial pay-offs, (i.e. bribery) is illegal. you cannot hold office and be on payroll by the private sector.

        • Rickards

          …AND from what i know right now, the pirate party DOES hold seats in berlin. I would presume that they are jumping all over this case right now.

        • Darkwiz666

          “elected politicians are funded by tax payers.”

          …and that’s why they never listen to them, right?
          Logic : Politicians are bought out in bulk, like cheap candy in a grocery story. Don’t expect your letters or petitions to mean jack shit.

    • Guest

      The Piraten Partei is a perty of filthy communists. They’re almost like Die Linke except for their opposition to copyright.

      • XXzen

        True that

      • Derpface

        lol @ people hating communism just because one single country did it wrong.

        Hey, look at your monitor you’re seeing this message on – it’s made in a, surprise, communist country!

        • Guest

          My monitor was made in Taiwan.

        • Anonymous

          Communism can be said to generally not work in theory because of the absence of the free market. No government can be NEARLY as flexible as the invisible hand of the marketplace, so it is inevitable that they set the incorrect prices, ruining the economy.

        • Rofl

          ONE SINGLE COUNTRY?? Are you referring to USSR? Well, what about North Korea, China, Cuba, Vietnam, ET AL? Are they not communist nations? Oh wait, they ARE communist nations. Are the people in these countries not living in squalor except where capitalism is allowed to flourish? WAIT, THAT’S TRUE TOO.

          Sir, you are a derpface.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexander-Anderson/1094485930 Alexander Anderson

          @ROLF Cuba is as it is due to long time oppression from the US not because of communism. I do not know of a single country that has or is qualified as Marxist communist. I Could call for example call Denmark a superpower. Denmark could call itself a superpower. Neither makes Denmark a superpower. To the extent of my knowledge Sweden and Norway are closest how countries would develop in to communism according to Marxist believes.

          Saying: Communism is bad, look at the USSR! Only proves that you know neither what communism is nor what the USSR was.

        • Guest

          Capitalism is not better than Communism. Why? They all use money, army, polititians.

        • Resin

          Are you referring to China? Because I’ve noted something. Even though they say they’re communist, can you recall the exact period in time when all your stuff began to be made by them? I can. It’s when the instituted capitalistic policies because they were tired of getting shown up by the other East Asian countries. The less communist they become, the more successful they become. That should tell you something.

          @Alexander

          You’re correct that no country has ever followed communism purely, but by your standard, I could also claim that no country has ever actually followed capitalism because they don’t do exactly what Ayn Rand said. Your argument seems to follow the logic of no-true-scotsman. We’ve seen countries go down a very communistic path. We’ve seen them become more successful when they pursue capitalism ahead. It just has to be said that communism has no real-world examples going for it, while most everything that has ever called itself communist has improved itself by becoming more capitalistic.

        • Anon

          Wow RoFl do you understand why things are manufactured in communist countries? Derp Derp indeed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Moser/100002719228612 John Moser

          Derpa Derpa and Tsar Alexander, communism doesn’t exist. “Communist” countries are in fact socialist. The murderous socialist scum who run these countries generally refer to themselves as communist(with some exceptions ie Nazis), as apparently you do. These socialists, call them what you will, have a nasty tendency to murder millions of people. Educate yourselves instead of spouting braindead nonsense.

        • Stopsopa

          “haha, terrible country!”, “communists!”, “socialists!”, “capitalists!”, “lol” and “roflmao”. no one sees the problem? imagine it like this, i would never ever have to work with new insane laws ^^ i just make a crappy movie and sue everyone. even when they aren’t guilty, that doesn’t matter. it wasn’t me ^^

          alright, so think again about who made an innocent person guilty instead of thinking “serves them right for pirating!” while its wasn’t even possible to for that PERSON (yes, a human-being) to pirate anything even when wanted. see a hole there? has nothing to do with not liking a country, people, political system or anything. its so called justice being made upon no prove. ill see you in court for possibly downloading my home video. it makes more money suing people to hell with my overwhelming rights that automatically justifies anything i do or closing down any site that i claim to be a pirate site than to really sell my product.

          guilty! until you have proven to be innocent, but even then you are still guilty for thinking about my home made video! imagine you are part of a botnet, got a random virus, running proxy server, giving tunneling services, running TOR exit node or using a VPN that made your IP log on a server. everyone knows an IP is a person and uncertainty mean 100% sure and should be treated as criminals for what that IP does, uhh i mean for what that human-being does (sorry the law made me mistake an IP for a dog, i mean human). ill keep pointing fingers at people downloading stuff, they are all bad and should be in jail for potentially downloading and making me unable to buy bread when im in my private-jet traveling to a court in a different country. all hail SOPA en ACTA! i love to make money by ruining other people’s life’s, they are criminals anyways so who cares.

          *end of super sarcastic message*

      • Bjohensson

        Well you should be right at home with MAFIAA. Apparently you do not know much about the Piraten Partei. You should read more !!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Benjamin-Eugene-NElson/659451790 Benjamin Eugene NElson

      If it makes you feel any better you guys won’t be alone if that anti piracy act goes through in the US…

  • manen

    to say the least; frakked beyond all comprehension.

    wonder when that law will be changed?

    • Prick

      She might not have a computer but movies can be downloaded using mobile phone and tablets too.

      • Caolan

        If she has no wireless router she cannot use either of those devices to connect to the internet.

        • Sdf

          There is such a thing as mobile internet, no router required or wifi required. Welcome to the 21st century!

        • JohnSmith

          Does eDonkey work on YOUR phone?

        • Grumpygit

          @Sdf congrats……IT IS the 21st Century……but you are still a dumbass

          The accusation is linked to her home connection, NOT a mobile connection, therefore your comment (repeated) makes you the afore mentioned DUMBASS.

        • Gae

          @Sdf: This issue relates to her home internet account. There is no mention of the IP address being traced to a mobile internet connection.

        • Womanizer

          Oh for fuck’s sake, how do you know she never had a wireless router? If she had a router, if wouldn’t have taken her more than 5 mins to get rid of that.

      • ijwofads

        She has no router so how could she download a movie on a phone or tablet.

        • Fds

          There is such a thing as mobile internet, no router required or wifi required. Welcome to the 21st century!

        • Zig

          @FDS

          Yes there is such a thing as mobile internet, but the accusation is that she used the IP assigned by her landline-based ISP. There is no mention that she stands accused of sharing anything via an IP assigned to a mobile internet account.

          It doesn’t matter how often you post it, you’re still arguing a totally moot point.

      • Whitey

        She has no wireless router…

        • Dfs

          what fds and sdf said

        • Whiter

          Does she have a wireless router?

        • Cuntbastardfannyflaps

          DFS, FDS, SDF. All idiots who haven’t RTFA before posting!

  • Bgjcgsej

    ?he evidence AGAINST the rightholder is immense.
    Why did the judge ignore it?

    Do citizens have to prove they’re not elephants in Germany?

    • Ven

      It’s easy to lend your computer and such to friends once you get a letter in the mail, so they can’t accept your word for it when you say such things.

      Unfortunately, it makes her look even more guilty to have an active internet account while denying she owns a computer.

      In the end however, the unified position of the public needs to be that an IP address is not a person. Period. That needs to be the determining factor that gets repeatedly rammed down throats until they realize it.

      So spoof the IP of your president, of UMG, of Gene Simmons, or of judges worldwide until they are getting these letters. We need a BT client that does this automatically – so millions of users are getting these letters sent to the same dozen or so people in positions to change things.

      • Danny

        She probably still had an internet account because ISPs make you sign stupid long contracts so she probably had 6 Months left of the contract but wasn’t actually using it.

        The rights holders had no proof so it seems ridiculous that she didn’t get off.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

          Read what I had to say as your comment on active ISP account due to min contract length supports what I had to say on DSL security

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          Guilty upon accusation huh? *lists a few ppl he doesn’t like*

          I think accusing them of child porn should be enough to ruin their lives =D

          Ahem, now seriously, I’m moving to Mars, better place even without the oxygen.

      • Anonymous

        I am not sure a client could do this but does anyone know how anti-piracy companies collect IP’s? Do they just scrape them from the tracker? If so then it would be fairly easy to drop some fake IP’s in there. If the anti-piracy companies actually try to connect then this might not work but I think they might be too lazy for that.

        • Icg

          good idea, make a tracker like that big enough and anti-piracy companies can be ddosed

        • konaya

          I think they actually receive permission from copyright holders to try to pirate their material.

          Back when the law was just, we had a little word called “entrapment”…

        • Anonymous

          @konaya By dropping in the IP’s of lots of anti-piracy outfits we would hit several who weren’t authorized to download the content even if some were.

        • konaya

          @cgimusic Ah, but don’t forget that the crime doesn’t actually exist before someone presses charges. Somehow, I don’t see Warner Brothers pressing charges against “Anti-Pirate Hunters, Inc.” any time soon, no matter how many films and albums they seem to be pirating…

        • Anonymous

          @konaya I was thinking more from the standpoint of having them inundated with pay up or else letters.

        • Zcat

          Plenty of trackers deliberately add fake IPs for exactly this reason.. The pirate bay trackers always used to. It’s also really easy to do this yourself on any trackers, eg using rtorrent with the -i option.

          http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/

      • Anonymous

        Her Internet connection was part of a package deal and many do not cut out the wastage on such deals. Mobile phone contracts is one big example with people buying package they barely use.

        This sounds to me like another family member set up this account for their or her use and got the computer. They have since been away and she not being a big computer user left this unused. She then sold the computer to get the money for bills, food, holiday etc.

        Well much about this case is unknown but someone needs to sort this out.

      • Gae

        “It’s easy to lend your computer and such to friends once you get a letter in the mail, so they can’t accept your word for it when you say such things.”

        But interestingly they CAN accept the word of the copyright holder…. does that seem right?

        • Ven

          No, but trying to stomp our feet until they take our word for it isn’t going to change anything.

          An IP is not a person. That is hard evidence that has been proven, can be demonstrated, and can be constructed logically. These are the reasons that this should be the only defense needed, and why circumstances merely cloud the issue.

        • Stopsopa

          @Ven, yes but everyone knows IP’s are dogs or potential criminals and uncertainty means 100% sure. anyone has a high probability on doing “criminal” acts such as copying a bicycle that isnt locked. so they should all pay for their sins! burn down everyone! thats THE option. it doesnt need prove cus there were sooooo many cases for the judge and all ppl lie anyways. so default judgement is and will be (how surprising) GUILTY! until you have proven you didnt do what has been claimed. if you can prove it (which is extremely hard) there wont be time to undo the guilty part. and hey, lets be honest. they are all dogs and should be treated like that.

          or……… maybe we are human, im not sure about that. what i do know is that $$$ isnt driven on humanity. YOU did something wrong AS a group, so you should all be punished to hell. personal lifes dont count, just the fact that your group sometimes doesnt pay makes you a criminal (not even a potential criminal, just by default a criminal).

          and remember kiddies, downloading is bad! give all power to certain companies and you will be sure you can sleep well ^^….. in jail

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      “Your Honour, members of the jury – I hereby swear truthfully I am not, nor have I ever been under any guise whatsoever, an elephant now or at any time in the past.

      “May I also confirm I have no plans or intention to become an elephant in future. I’m happy the way I am and as you see me in front of you today (or I would be if I didn’t have these damned piles, but that’s being treated by doctors and irrelevant I guess).

      “However, if you decide I am an elephant, I respectfully request a right of appeal to a higher Court please.”

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like any bored hacker that knows how to spoof IP addresses could have a field day with the entire population of Germany.

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Such as the MAFIAA and any of their paid-for, jack-booted thugs making a name for themselves by setting people up, then attacking them with the full force of their boots.

      Shame on this German Court – outright shame :(

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Our friendly neighbors Anonymous and other nice guys from the internetz could start doing some serious spoofing to achieve 2 goals:

      1- get the entire Germany prosecuted.
      2- get the entire France disconnected.

      I should learn how to spoof IPs. That should be interesting.

      • Anonymous

        I’m afraid that won’t happen :)

        Denying a citizen Internet access could be a violation of his [European] human rights (see European Convention on Human Rights). That is if a case ends up in the European Court of Human Rights, and they rule in favor of this interpretation.

        Of course, certain EU countries such as Finland have already made it into law.

      • Ven

        Judges. You want to spoof the IPs of judges and politicians. Then download porn, and not the vanilla stuff. You don’t want to end careers, but you do want them to come out and call the accusations ridiculous.

        • Stopsopa

          no one cares. for the outsiders its easy. “its probably a *bleeping* downloader”, the law is leaking. putting ppl in jail upon uncertainty seems to be okee, downloaders are bad and bad=bad. the end. at least the authors can buy a second private jet at cost of your life being ended. doesnt matter, should have paid. the countless other reasons or what makes uncertainty uncertain doesnt matter. they got what they wanted and you should pay, even with your life.

  • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

    “From my point of view, there has to be a big mistake in some of the different backtracking-systems.”

    Hasn’t the way that the IP addresses are harvested already been proven to be an extremely inaccurate way to prove guilt at best due to manipulation/ proof of user etc. That is the area in which the lawyers should also focus as it’s also the weapon (and probably only one) that these lawyers (leechers) are using.
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110926/01053316090/swedish-film-institute-learning-that-ip-address-is-not-person.shtml

  • Anonymous

    I thought guilty until proven innocent was illegal in the EU. I want this case taken to a higher court.

  • Mais71

    This story isnt correct! The woman was just convicted paying the attorney fees of the piraty claim. No compensation for the movie company

    • Whitey

      Link/source?

      • Anonymous

        German law has a strict limit on this kind of case. They can only claim attorney fees. So at least German law is “kind” in that it will never amount to more than a few hundred Euros.

  • Sc1t4le

    As stated in the article, Germany is the very worst country for these pay-or-else schemes. The lawyers are silently collecting millions but what is worse is that no-one is objecting.

    Even after a national magazine ran story on the topic, interest just died again.

    • IDIOCRACY

      In Germany it is possible to be arrested and trown into handcuffs in front of your kids and go to jail for “driving away from an accident” when you scraped with your car a gardenfence for 2 millimeter and chip off a square millimeter of paint. (happened to a friend of mine). I guess that says enough, oh no… it is always the neighbour that rats you out.. so in this case, piggyback on her cable by the neighbour is very likely and he will never tell.

      • Tohom

        What a load of nonsense. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

        • IDIOCRACY

          And why is that? please give me some argument why this is nonsense and my friend (an airline Pilot living in dusseldorf with a non german nationality) had this happen to him, you call him a liar or is the way I desrcibed the events incomplete, in error, or simply not possible, and if so explain what evidence or facts you have to sustain your critics… thank you for your intelligent response

        • I CAN HAZ NO WIFI

          @IDIOCRACY

          It’s nonsense that her neighbour could ‘piggyback on her cable’ because she has no router therefore it would be impossible for her neighbour to have any access to her account unless he/she had actual physical access to her home (to gain physical access to the phone socket) in order to install his/her own router.

    • Anonymous

      The law itself, I have read it a while back, limits the claims and they can’t ask for millions in damages… What money are you talking about then? They can claim attorney fees, but they’re also limited. Do you have a case example or a reference to German law?

  • Anonymous

    I think her ISP need to damned well take a very close look at her account and link when they should be able to spot her used and unused points. They should also examine her cable to make sure no one piggy-backs her connection.

    A retired woman with no computer or router sharing a violent movie certainly sets off many alarm bells. I doubt this woman hardly knows how to use a computer and does not even come close to being able to encode and upload a movie.

    Well this is only one more example of the crazy times we live within and this is certainly the first example of impossible to have happened.

  • http://halfdantimm.dk/ Halfdan Timm

    Oh come on, seriously? This is one of those cases that could end up backfiring really bad.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      It’d be lovely if it backfired to the point that the German MAFIAA gets shut down and the copyright laws get reviewed and relaxed. I’d wish for all the MAFIAA and their associates to fail and go bankrupt but it seems they are doing fine =/

  • Fake

    Under the new SOPA law in the US, she would get 5 years for downloading Micheal Jackson’s music but the doctor that killed him only got 4 years.

    • YarickZan

      You’re kidding. You have to be kidding. He’s kidding right?

      Somewhere deep down I know you’re right……

      Anyways this might be a case where the united states could take a leaf out of the book of the United States. Yeah it must really hurt Europeans to hear this but maybe just maybe the United States has something with Innocent until proven guilty.

      • konaya

        I seriously hope you’re kidding. Surely, the United States are fifty-one very fine examples on how *not* to treat human beings?

        • Funktastic

          51? You mean 50 right?

      • Anonymous

        It would more likely be up to 3 years for the first offence and up to 6 years for the second offence. The key part would be the supply to others in a public system.

        Most likely the Judge would fine you for a BT up/download but that is still a federal felony conviction on your criminal record. Bye bye jobs and overseas travel in other words.

    • FinalApokylypse

      Yeah, cause prison’s the best solution.. America’s already got the largest prison population in the world.. why not create a whole new branch to come through the doors..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    One little known fact among the general public is that an IP address does NOT offer undisputable proof of account holder identity even if the IP address is static and not dynamically allocated.

    When you connect to the net via DSL your connection validation/authoriation is not via your circuit number (and so tied to your location) or even a user selected uid and password.

    Verification is via uid and password determined by your ISP and often preset in the dsl router/modem provided by your ISP,

    The upshot is that depending on the level at which the verification takes place, so long as a valid uid and password is presented when a modem tries to connect to the DSLAM at the exchange, you will gain net access irrespective of your location.

    The only real proviso is that your ISP has a valid backhaul path.

    For example If in the UK, If you had a BT net account you could connect via the line of any other local BTnet user connected to the same DSLAM (definitely) or even exchange (most likely) or a line whose ISP shares the same backhaul provider (in the UK any ISP using BT wholesale)

    In the case of this woman.. If she had sold her PC along with the router/modem (she says she nolonger has it) and as it sounds like she has an inclusive calls with inclusive net access packages from Deutsche telekom (who also provide dsl backhaul for all other DE ISPs) there is a very high probability if sold locally the new owner could just plug in and go using her account credentials.

    The lesson is that if you part company with an old dsl modem make sure the account settings are removed ,

    • Danny

      In the UK you used to be able to clone the old NTL modems by exploiting this feature, as long as you weren’t connected to the same DSLAM you could use the same MAC address at two locations and get the same internet package but different IPs. Virgin are rolling out their own modems now so this hack may no longer work.

    • Anonymous

      While what you say is true, it’s not how German law views it.

  • http://twitter.com/odishon Frak Apple!

    No wonder why Apple is using the German courts to crush Android. Smells even worse then a US court.. money buys rulings in Germany as well

    • Anonymous

      Bah, your accusations are groundless and silly. You don’t even know German courts. I very much doubt they bribed anyone in Germany. US courts on the other hand are well known for corruption. Do you even know how judges are hired in the various European legal systems? It’s not like in the US…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000178860781 Bug Lord

    feel free to add fraud or something to the list of crimes they have committed.
    and I thought they kept them self to bribery and blackmailing..

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  • http://www.cheapassfiction.com/ AeliusBlythe

    So this is why the PPDE has been doing so well, then. It’s citizens are being attacked while their lawmakers and judges stand by and allow it. For shame, Germany.

    Be loud, German pirates. People may put their hands over their ears and go “la-la-la-la-la” for a while, but when things get bad enough–when common people are forced through enough judicial abominations like this–they will listen.

    • Hffyu

      Germans are good at doing la-la-la with their hands covering their ears. Last time they cept it up for about 5 years while 6 million people were exterminated. What better country to play copyright Nazi…

      • Ihatespam

        Fuck you. Seriously.

      • http://www.cheapassfiction.com/ AeliusBlythe

        On the upside, it seems like many Germans have learned from the past–maybe more than almost any country. Despite (or perhaps BECAUSE of) failures of justice like this, there is a strong contingent speaking up (albeit against a very strong contingent that wants to silence them.) The 10% pirate presence is just one proof of that.

        Hopefully this will seep into other countries…. Right. Well, a girl can dream.

      • NonSense

        Shut your trap, you piece of shit.

      • please die

        That is a real piece of shit thing to say, just to let you know

  • John Space

    Welcome to Angela Merkel’s Germany.

    (Yes, Merkel was born and lived in Soviet Germany, why do you ask?)

    • Anonymous

      Soviet Germany? Nothing of the kind. The DDR was never part of the Soviet Union or subject to rule from Moscow.

      • Anonymous

        It was not Soviet Germany but the DDR was under Moscow control which is best reflected in the fact that them Soviets built the Berlin Wall. America, Britain and France also divided up West Germany. Spoils of War or guardianship.

        This well explains that when the Soviet Union faced economic collapse it was the fall of the Berlin Wall that sparked the larger break-up of the Soviet Union. Them in Moscow did not pay the wages of the guards on the wall and one day they just had enough and went home. The locals then found that no one objected to them pulling the wall down leading to reunification.

        • Anonymous

          I think you have your history slightly mixed up. At birth the DDR was controlled by Moscow, as time went by less so.

          The Soviets did not build the wall. The Soviets gave East Germany authority over Berlin in 1955. The wall was built in 1961.

          What the heck!? The fall of the Berlin Wall had nothing to do with wages! The guards were Germans paid by the DDR. Do you know anything about this??? The Soviets wondered if they should use force to stop it, but Gorbachev stopped it(!)

          The opening of the German border(s) is largely credited to a planned action by the government of the DDR due to massive internal protests.

          On the eve of the 9th of November 1989 a failure of communication internally lead to a premature announcement on the evening TV news. The East German people were allowed to cross the border that very evening! The Berlin wall officially fell that night.

          The break-up did not start in Berlin as such. You are obviously forgetting all about the Baltic states. In 1988 Estonia declared national sovereignty sparking similar moves in neighboring states.

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  • Anon

    I respect and know many Germans but in this case the have gone mad. The German approach to this fiasco is down right beneath them. Copy laws in Germany are almost as mental as France. Those two will break the EU with their obsessive control freak ways. Ha and they had the cheek to try to make London pay for their mess. Their subsidy and export game got busted now they have milked the other EU nations dry. So it is no surprise their own citizens are irrelevant to them now. Here we go again with Germany as all I can say…and this time Anglo Saxon power cannot stop them.

    • zeta

      Wow. One lowly court make a decision you don’t agree with and you go on your nationalist rant. To accuse Germany of “control freak ways” is pretty rich coming from a country that has ten surveillance cameras per citizen. It also not Germany but the UK that promotes the three-strikes-law (Germany is actually one of the few EU countries that strongly opposes this). I would try and explain economy (subsidy and export game….) or the division of powers (independent courts…) but that is probably a bit over your head. So have a tea and dream about past glory, you little Englander.

    • Anonymous

      The British banks sure helped…

      It’s ironic that you don’t know that the Saxons came from Germany…

    • Anonymous

      lol .. brit nit wit

  • IDIOCRACY

    Lets inject the totall IP range of germany in a tracker for a movie torrent like (don’t know it exists but something similar) “homophobic fascists being gangraped by huge blacks” and then inform a layer company in germany to sue the whole country, some people might wake up then hehe

    Epic fail

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  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.ie/7fb

  • Anonymous

    so much for the German ‘justice’ system.

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  • zeta

    What this article fails to mention: The woman had recently sold her computer. Since she didn’t have a router, the computer connected directly to the internet and had all her login data saved on it. I think it is safe to assume that she didn’t secure erase her computers drives prior to selling. I would also like to remind everybody that this decision will probably be appealed and corrected by a higher court.

    But I guess this is to much in the way of facts for torrentfreak. It is much more fun to accuse the entire country of nazism. Many of the comments here are despicable.

    • Anonymous

      You apparently didn’t even bother to read the article:

      “The Munich District Court handled the case, and heard evidence that not only is the woman computerless, she lives alone and doesn’t possess a wireless router either. How the alleged offense could have been carried out even by a third party remains a mystery”

      She doesn’t have a computer OR a router.

      • zeta

        Have you considered the possibility that I don’t need to rely on the this pathetic excuse for an article? I know the case because I read about it several times in German media (where it so widely reported). So yes, she owned a computer and had it connected to the internet. Because she didn’t have a router this machine connected directly to the internet. Meaning: It had all the login data on it.

        • Anonymous

          [citation needed]

        • Anonymous

          I don’t know about your setup, but for me, my login data is on the modem, NOT the router/PC.

        • Grumpygit

          @BjonesTF

          In some cases the login data IS stored on the PC

          I have a Tiscali USB modem (speedtouch 330) kicking around somewhere, Dial-up networking required >login data saved to PC

    • Danny

      You realise that torrent freak didn’t accuse Germany of Nazisim, that was a few commenters.

      How is a computer illiterate person supposed to know to clear their personal data? Her ISP should have flagged that someone from a different location was using her IP.

      • konaya

        I’m unsure how to feel about all this. One the other hand, I’m anti-MAFIAA. On the other hand, I’m pro-persecuting-people-who-won’t-properly-secure-their-sensitive-data. Not gaining at least one shred of computer literacy before entrusting a computer with your sensitive information is asking for trouble, and when trouble arrives you really had it coming.

        That said, I hope she gets retribution.

  • Anonymous

    Wow thats kinda crazy when yu thik about it. Wow.
    real-web-privacy.tk

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  • http://twitter.com/winterboarder Adrian S

    When are people going to realize that all this nonsense is not about piracy nor copyright holders. It’s all about who controls the media distribution. Take a look at the Amazon Kindle Fire. That is the future, a pay per consumption model where we will not have the actual media. We pay for the right to listen to a song or read a book, which is served from a central server. Of course there is a “share” button but that is just a way to tell others to pay for the same thing, not to actually send information to somebody else.
    It is the total control of news, media, entertainment and ideas. Unauthorized ideas will not have a place on the central server, aka Apple Developer Guidelines. If an app, eBook, song, magazine or anything does not comply is not welcome in the cloud. Since censorship is not allowed at political level is done by proxy at business/consumer level. It’s a worldwide system to keep the sheepple in check.

    • Anonymous

      i guess the next step is to ensure that the channels for thought on the net are pruned back – so the *only* channels for thought are the ones provided by the govt friendly thought managing media corps.

    • Charlie Brooker

      15 million credits…

  • http://twitter.com/winterboarder Adrian S

    Zeta, if I buy the DVD and after watching it I give it to you, and then you give it to somebody else, is that Illegal? That piece of plastic or Megabytes on a hard drive is just a different media on which information exists. Sharing is not piracy. Piracy is copying the stuff and selling it on the street corner. What the court is doing IS Nazism/Communism; Germany is doing it, USA, England, France, the whole world is implementing this.

    • zeta

      Your comment doesn’t make any sense. How is that in any way related to the case? And what has that do with communism or nazism (I hope you are not implying nazism and communism are the same).

      • http://twitter.com/winterboarder Adrian S

        Nazism/Communism are the same, they both burn books: Kristal Night in Germany/Cultural Revolution in China, silence dissent with assassinations, kill the opposition in camps and gulags- Auschwitz/Dalstroi labor camps. The legal case against this woman doesn’t matter, it has to go through in order to make the precedent for this policy.
        Since you can’t burn books in the streets anymore, they are developing a system in which total control is achieved. Centralized points of information distribution: Amazon, Apple, Google, Barn’s&Noble, Sony. These 5 already apply the censorship policy.
        SOPA in the US is designed so that people cannot share and exchange media/ideas, and the only source is those 5 corporations.
        National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 that just passed takes care of the assassination and imprisonment part.
        These are facts you can check yourself.
        Does it make sense now?

        • Styrofoam

          I’m sorry, I’m so, so, sorry, but you’re an idiot. An ignorant idiot. What you are describing is neither Nazism nor communism; it is totalitarianism. The states you are referring to have been either totalitarian Nazi states or totalitarian communism states.

          Please, do read up on Totalitarianism on Wikipedia and stop being an idiot.

        • http://twitter.com/winterboarder Adrian S

          @konaya How is calling me an idiot make what I said less of a fact? Totalitarian=Power Structure, Nazi/commie= Political Doctrine

          So 1 political party controls the power by killing the opposition thus is a totalitarian system. In this systems undesirable media is not allowed.

          As it happens I grew up in a Communist system and I know how it operates and what it is all about.

          What is going on right now is the beginnings of Nazism in the world.

    • http://profiles.google.com/mattgordonmd matt gordon

      They are suing people in a money-taking scheme. They are not killing people en masse. Nazi comparisons are put forth as an explanation yet are so unrelated that your whole point is disregarded as wrong headed.

  • Sam

    This is so good i reposted it:

    Fake 3 hours ago;
    Under the new SOPA law in the US, she would get 5 years for downloading Micheal Jackson’s music but the doctor that killed him only got 4 years.

    …in the Uk you can get let out of prison for murder, attempted murder and child abuse charges in as little as 2 to 4 years because the prisons are so overcrowded…the world has gone fucking mad.

    • http://openid.aliz.es/lolopenid Yes Hello

      Please list 10 cases where a murderer has been released with under 5 years.

      • b0gus

        Why 10? Even one is a travesty.

      • Rallias Ubernerd

        Michael jackson…

        You’re right I can’t.

        • NonSense

          You are a piece of lowlife garbage that needs to be shot.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/6EWDTDGGPM2NUB23WZXTLKO6DI Lorili

      If you’re a cop you don’t even get charged when you murder people.

      • Womanizer

        Not true, idiota.

  • Anonymous

    phlpn.es/829r8s

  • Kr0nZ

    If she didn’t in fact use any internet m then assuming that her ISP tracks bandwidth, too limit it is someway, then she should contact her ISP for those logs.

    I can log onto my ISP and see my usage for the laast year.

    If she needs to prove her own innocence then why doesn’t she?
    Her ISP must have some kind of logs.

    • Womanizer

      She knows she is guilty. She is just playing dumb.

      • Predator

        No. Your are guilty. You are guilty of working for the enemy of humanity: the corporate entertainment parasites. This make you a corporate parasites too by the way with all the consequences.

        Meanwhile nobody is interested in your fake for hire troll’s opinion.

      • Predator

        By the way no need to show up again as Womanizer, Kr0nZ. it make you look stupid.

    • Predator

      If she had no internet access there is no log you idiot!

      • Kr0nZ

        Exactly, if there’s no log there’s no case. Dumb a$$

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  • Anon

    “account holders are responsible for everything that happens on their account”

    Wow. Accountability in the modern age. Personal accountability.

    What a horrible, unjust, onerous burden. :-)
    Get used to it. It’s how civilizations are built.

    • anon

      fuck you!

    • Anonymous

      “”account holders are responsible for everything that happens on their account”
      Wow. Accountability in the modern age. Personal accountability.
      What a horrible, unjust, onerous burden. :-)
      Get used to it. It’s how civilizations are built. ”

      So if you host a party at your home and someone gets murdered you’ll happily hand yourself into the police and accept your very long jail sentence because you’re responsible for everything that happens within your home.
      No? Thought not!

    • konaya

      Wouldn’t personal accountability mean that the person who actually committed the crime is to be held responsible? This is not it.

    • IDIOCRACY

      So euh let me read some previous articles here, so according to the account holder is accountable for all that happens on his account? that means the president of France is a pirate even he did not download himself, that means the CEO or whatever the bigshot is called at RIAA is a pirate and can be convicted as so. Your reasoning is flawed, … oh but you knew that already, you just like to troll aaah now I see, how naive of mine

    • Fredrika

      > “Wow. Accountability in the modern age. Personal accountability.

      > What a horrible, unjust, onerous burden.”

      You seem to confuse personal accountability for what you yourself did, which is the norm in society, with accountability for what someone else did.

      The latter is something that has no place in a civilized society, and only a true fascist would applaud such.

      But you do seem to advocate fascism on a regular basis, even if it is unknowingly.

      > “Get used to it. It’s how civilizations are built.”

      Actually, no, in no way was our civilization built on the unfair concept of accountability for other peoples actions. Again you seem to confuse civilized society, which the rest of us live in, with some short periods of time through history when fascism tried to get a foothold, before it was struck down, as it always has been.

      But facts has never been your strong side, now has it?

    • Jmorse43508

      Typical MAFIAA troll BS.

      Nothing to see here.

    • All The Artists In The World

      So take responsibility for your own fuck up with regard to completely missing the boat in the download music market. You spent 10 fucking years trying to hold back the incoming tide and all you did was channel it towards Apple. Well fucking done you complete fucking tool.

      Now you’re turning around and trying to blame piracy for the loss of jobs in the manufacturing sectors of the ‘entertainment’ industries despite the really fucking obvious fact that manufacturing in these sectors is directly proportional to the diminishing amount of physical media while all the time your fat profit margins increase in line with download sales. No physical product equals very few overheads. Selling downloads means bigger margins.

      Fucking MAFIAA – just piss off and die already. You’re not relevant anymore, nobody gives a fuck about you and you’re just standing in the way of artists developing systems to make a living.

      Signed: ALL THE ARTISTS IN THE WORLD.

  • Alum

    No wonder they have Nazism. All these gestapo judges should die along with their friends the corporate entertainment parasites.

    • Anonymous

      But I thought only unemployed liberals, nurses and teachers were Nazis? that’ll teach me to believe everything I see on Fox News.

  • http://www.alexaugustus.com alexaugustus

    1. IP address
    2. Accusation
    3. ????
    4. Profit

    • Anonymous

      collect underpants.
      ??
      Profit :)

      • Tejosnjk

        collect underpants.
        smell ‘em
        ??
        Profit :)

        there, fixed it for ya :P

    • AugustAlexus

      Actually, step 3 doesn’t need to be there – in Germany it works with Steps 1, 2 and 4 alone ;D

  • Rekrul

    Why do I get the feeling that even in Germany, the ideas that the account holder is always responsible and guilty until proven innocent, wouldn’t last 10 seconds in court if an average member of the public accused a corporation of infringing their copyrights?

  • Dan

    title is misleading. Don’t tell people a woman was computerless when the crime was committed when she DID have a computer.
    I am not against piracy, but TorrentFreak’s credibility has to suffer if you keep writing such things.

    • TaterSalad

      Except it says clearly in the article she had sold her computer 6 months prior to the accusation…in which case…you can’t read?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Agnt-Duke/100001489410801 Agnt Duke

      Lol your response is misleading, and your credibility suffers. She had sold her computer 6 months prior to the incident but had not cancelled her ISP.

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  • Bjohensson

    I see that there are still Nazi’s in the German Justice system. Maybe the Munich Justice (??) got a little ‘gift’ from MAFIAA.

  • Harrison11

    We all know how Nazi-Germany and its Gestapo courts work. No surprises there.

    • tohom

      You are pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

  • http://hdmikabel.narod2.ru/ hdmi

    They could simply start picking IP addresses at random and suing people with this.

  • Anonymous

    This is probably what to expect under SOPA/PIPA in my Country.
    And if those disgusting things happen it will be Online War against the MAFIAA so hackers of the world unite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tatiana-Covington/100002159242044 Tatiana Covington

    Don’t pay fines!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tatiana-Covington/100002159242044 Tatiana Covington

    She should refuse to pay the fine. Her money is her private property.

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  • Anonymous

    tinyurl.ie/7fb

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  • http://twitter.com/Power2All Power2All

    Just use the same statement as anybody else.
    “My IP got hijacked, it wasn’t me”.
    Case closed.

  • Kktzspam

    What kind of lawyer did this woman have? This decision is beyond ridiculous and someone out there is really the one responsible for paying that fine. Certainly not her.

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  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    HAHAHA!!! I had to laugh so hard at the massive fail on the side of the copywrong holders. Accusing somebody who has no internet and no PC… LOL!

    I have relatives, who live in Germany, they were also sent a letter accusing them, that they have downloaded a movie. The answered that they did not. No further letters came from the lawfirm. (Best part is: they have started to download a movie, but the download was not finished.)

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  • Tmc80tmc

    Apparently, facism didn’t die in Germany… just lies dormant until a special interest has enough money.. You also might say, along with media, the USA exports their own brand of laws & special intersts to every “democracy” in Europe– however when it comes to piracy, it’s much like whack-a-mole… you can keep hitting those little pins, but they keep coming back up..

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  • PJ London

    What I really do not understand, is why anyone would download the crap, in a couple of weeks, months, it will be all over your TV. I can understand why “Little Johnnies” mommy would want to put his music on Youtube, but why in God’s name would you want to listen to it?

  • Me

    I’m currently accused too, for an IP address of a provider I don’t use for 2 years now. The cable still is in my flat, the account active, but I don’t even have the modem any longer (sent it back to the company I have the account from, and I forgot to cancel the account – my bad).

    But who should connect using this account where you need a cable and modem i don’t even have any longer, when there is another Internet account (cable account, 32 mbit) with wlan router in my flat which actually works..

    I’m at curt too at the moment.. but looks the same as for this women. Although, my payment is a “little” higher, means over € 10000.

    If they charged me over the other internet account which is in use, I’d understand that it possible could have been hacked (32 character password which is a random combination of lower and upper case letters, special characters and numbers – generated by a random password generator written by myself, WPA/PSK2 – but hey, who knows?).

    • Me

      PS: and since I can afford it, it’s going up to a high court if I loose in first instance.

      • Anonymous

        Best of luck to you!

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  • Tbaker

    HA! The ziofascist bankers are psychopathically throwing us ALL under the bus. In your case for more EU bailouts and cheap/free submarines for Israel. In the USA case we have leaders who have more power than Hitler EVER did and they are gutting domestic/social programs while expanding on yet more warfronts for their ziofascist banker masters. I wonder how many ‘copyright holders’ are going to end up like the RIAA in the USA which has been caught suing people outrageously while performing similar illegal acts themselves.

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    tinyurl.ie/7fb

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    tinyurl.ie/7fb

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  • http://artem-karimov-93.ya.ru/ Artem Karimov

    Sieg Heil!

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  • Anonymous

    Seems amusing der Deutsche will coddle ‘rightsholders’ by stripping holders of rights (like due process). Of course it’s going on in most Left-run countries, so this is no surprise.

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  • Guest

    This looks like something that’ll get shot down in less than a minute at the European Court of Human Rights…

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  • Seth Flood

    You are responsible for anything that happens on your Network!, why didnt she just cancel with her ISP seeing that she is not using the service…. somone must have been using her connection…

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  • Alexd125

    It saddens me that this sort of thing should happen. I really like the idea of spoofing ip addresses of the ones who are trying to profit from the unfair persecution of others and pointing the proverbial guns back in their own faces.

    Considering how common it is to pirate stuff, I have no clue how these silly “laws” exist in the first place. Anyone whos job is even indirectly related to preventing piracy or prosecuting pirates, caught pirating anything, should be sterilized, lobotomized and hunted for sport.

  • Anonymous

    if she doesnt own a computer, why does she still have an isp?

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  • http://germanglobe.com/ Mirco

    How many more years will it take to realize that the problem is an obsolete copyright law and not people consuming digital content? “Little surprise then that Germany is without doubt the worst place in the world for pay-up-or-else-schemes” – and this is sadly very true…

  • anon

    Wow, Germany is back to corporate rule aka fascism. Here in the U$A we are very close too. There is no compassion for the common folk, it is all about pleasing our international mega-corporate masters.

  • Anonymous

    Germany < USA.

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