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RIAA’s Hostile Takeover of the Internet

Until recently, the recording industry were committing publicity suicide by routinely issuing legal threats to file sharers. Now, they seem to have changed the routine, going for fewer, but bigger targets. The goal is clear: if you own the Internet, you don’t have to worry about pirates — or anyone else.

Earlier this month, four Pirate Bay visionaries were given harsh fines and jail sentences. Their only crime: creating the largest, free, uncensored, versatile file sharing platform on the Internet. Soon after, Taiwan passed 3-strikes legislation for copyright violations. The recording industry is no longer targeting pirates – they are actually trying to hijack the very fabric of the Internet.

The apparent strategy:

1. Outlaw file sharing
2. Outlaw personal encryption and anonymization services
3. Set up a global, privately-run Internet surveillance program to spy on everybody all the time without a warrant — run by ISPs and paid for by the taxpayers
4. And finally, get the authority to block anyone from the Internet entirely, without the involvement of police, courts or any verifiable trail of evidence

We can not let this happen.

“It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state.”Bruce Schneier

One of the main reasons why the recording industry are currently succeeding in this hostile takeover of the Internet, is that most people simply don’t understand what file sharing is, or why it matters to them in the first place. Whenever civil liberties are sacrificed, it is always on the bonfire of ignorance. We need to educate the world – neighbors, parents, judges and lawmakers – as to why the Internet must remain free, neutral, and uncensored.

It sometimes helps to explain that a file sharing technology like Bittorrent is the digital society’s equivalent of the wheel. It allows fast and easy transportation of data between users and businesses alike. But like the wheel, file sharing needs a stable, flat surface to perform at its best. In this analogy, The Pirate Bay is nothing short of the largest, best maintained, and most stable network of such ‘digital roads’ in the world. And it’s free to use for anyone, at any time, for any purpose.

Naturally, as is always the case where people congregate in a free society, some of the people who drive their wheeled carts on this network of roads will be carrying things in their carts of questionable quality, purpose or origin. In any system or society that is based on freedom rather than censorship or distrust, there is no question that individual transgressions can take place. This is the most basic cost of liberty.

As a digital society in its teens, we have yet to realize the enormous potential of file sharing in culture, education, knowledge sharing, and business. But already, we are seeing massive opposition against it from the likes of IFPI, the RIAA and the MPAA. This opposition, of course, stems from some of the aforementioned wheeled carts transporting ‘questionable goods’, in the form of copyrighted material.

The ensuing battle has been disguised as a legal matter concerning rights holders and ‘pirates’, but that is only the tip of the iceberg. It is true that the recording industry wants to stop criminals, but they are attempting to prohibit the wheel and all building of roads to pull it off. These lawyers are prepared to sacrifice our liberties, our privacy and our digital freedom in order to reach their goal. It is a grossly disproportionate and misdirected attack, and it has already begun: Once the verdict of the Spectrial was in, the Swedish anti-piracy office immediately began issuing legal threats against other file sharing networks. They are bulldozing every street and burning every car to prevent any possible (mis)use of the wheel. And worse yet – we are letting it happen.

The case of The Pirate Bay was not a case of artists vs. freeloaders, or even the recording industry vs. pirates. There were no artists on the accusing side, nor were there any pirates on the defending side. It was, and is, a case of misguided frustration by industry executives and lawyers, directed not against the actual violators of copyright law, but against the most outspoken proponents and enablers of a fundmental digital technology. A technology that allows fast and easy transportation af data – all data – between users and businesses alike.

We must never blame the network for the actions of individuals. Both rights holders and lawmakers must respect the fundamental principle of personal, individual responsibility. Let each peer be responsible for his own actions, just as every driver is liable for his own car.

The Pirate Bay is not illegal. File sharing is not illegal. Using file sharing for illegal purposes is illegal. The difference may be subtle to a layman, but in legal terms, the distinction is clear as day. The fact that the judges in the Pirate Bay case failed to recognize this, is a judicial travesty bordering on flat out corruption.

It cannot be stressed enough: this is not a question of copyright, of music, or of piracy. This is a question of a private organization now aiming to subvert several of the most important digital inventions since the World Wide Web, and our judges and politicians turning a blind eye in a staggering display of ignorance and corruption. This fight is about much more than The Pirate Bay. When our liberties are taken from us, we must rise, united in one voice, and fight for them.

It is a fight for basic digital liberties. It is a fight for our right to privacy. It is a fight for net neutrality. There is no getting around it. This is the fight of our generation, and it is too important to lose.

This is a guest post by Jens Roland. Jens is a computer scientist by training, but a technology forecaster by trade. He has worked at international think tanks as a consultant and researcher in emerging technologies and has written more than 300 articles and a book on the subject.

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  • Anonymous

    Hear hear!

  • Him

    What can the average person do to stop this??

    What can I as an individual do to stop this threat to freedom?

  • TheBadWolf

    *STUNNED*

    There is absolutely nothing else needed in this post.

    Final sentence of mine will be;

    GET THE F OUT WHERE YOU DON’T BELONG IFPI, the RIAA and the MPAA!

  • George Orwell

    There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

  • shaun

    were fucked

  • Brian P

    Honestly, I agree with what you’re saying, but you lost me at the beginning with the “four Pirate Bay visionaries” thing. Visionaries? Really? Since when? I doubt they’d even want to be referred to as such.

  • Emmanuel Goldstein

    Great article but you are preaching to the choir. Those of us who visit torrentfreak.com are completely aware of how our rights are being trampled upon by big business. The message needs to be heard by the masses, and by those who are paying the salaries of these dictators.

  • mustangx

    A very well written article Jens. thanks for taking the time to write it and share. More people need to be aware of these truths and the facts behind the corruption the RIAA is spreading.

  • thebig1

    @3
    use your political power and vote for parties, that have your interests in mind and not those of the content mafia:
    http://www.pp-international.net

  • Fabrice Epelboin

    I must say this is precisely what is happening right now in France. The Hadopi law wants citizens to be monitored by the State to prevent file sharing, and the coming LOPSI law will legalize state spyware…

    @Jens Roland Please get in touch, I’d like to have this post translated in French, with your permission ;-)

  • hiphop

    i feel the same, i am outraged by government corruption in media industry favor, the most bewildering example being ACTA claiming itself as a ‘counterfeiting bill’ that is hidden from normal people being called a ‘matter of national security’ that basically forms a new internet where file sharing is policed by ISP’s, and if you are unwilling to be a policeman, you are blocked from the internet. Oddly enough, this ‘matter of national security is powered by massive donations from record and movie industry labels, no doubt a copy on their desks while that same document is hidden from th public until it becomes a international treaty.

    The biggest problem though i have as an individual though, is what can i personally do to protect my civil libertys and stand against these powers without just going out and DDOS’ing some lawyer site for 6 hours or something. That doesnt make a difference where all the decisions are being paid for, naturally a group of people based of not paying for things would be against buying their own politician.

    If you know how to take a stand on an individual level, please post, i live in the US and am terrifed at what is being able to happen to a nation that claims itself of liberty and incorruptibility.

    -hiphop

  • Jens Roland

    @Fabrice Epelboin: You have my permission to translate and republish on ReadWriteWeb, as long as you keep the attribution paragraph. And wasn’t there already a french law in place prohibiting encryption unless the government has a backdoor key?

  • youmom

    @2…your an idiot…prob same person uploading all the fake torrents for RIAA and shit…get a life loser

  • Dark_Mas5

    Indeed an inspiring post, but as has been said before, your preaching to a crowd that already knows this. This message has to be spread!

  • Bob

    You guys should make a detailed article on what exactly file sharing is, and we’ll gladly link to it. It’ll make it easier, instead of each of us contriving explanations which will surely be inaccurate.

  • bober182

    even if they stop that
    we shall buy routers and switechs and make a giant lan to the warez we all have fuck you MAFIAA

  • Reasoned Mind

    “One of the main reasons why the recording industry are currently succeeding in this hostile takeover of the Internet, is that most people simply don’t understand what file sharing is…….”

    Wrong. Back up a minute and review the history. At one time the motion picture and recording industries were cool. The products were beloved, having a job there made you hip, less than 10 years ago the biggest complaint was “2 hits, the rest is filler” on an album. It was a legitimate complaint. But there was also a legitimate response.

    Don’t buy it.

    Don’t buy and let the industry structure die. But that’s not what happened at all.

    As piracy got a foothold after Napster, the common wisdom changed to “your products are all rubbish and I’m going to take and keep a free copy of every single last one of them.”

    It was stupid. It was worse than disingenuous. It was illegal, too, a dumbfuck move on the part of pirates everywhere. Not long ago this was a moral issue, and you had the entire immoral entertainment industry within your economic control. All you had to do was stop buying. But many didn’t. And the rest started to steal, to infringe bigtime on the artists, the support workers, the industry itself, pirates trampled all over the rights of others to take what they wanted without any payment nor any regard to legal structure or the proper way to do this. And this was your fatal error. There is no honor and less intelligence among thieves.

    Now fast forward and realize that the lawsuits and other legal responses by artists and industry are because YOU made this a legal issue and YOU handed the high legal cards over to the RIAA, the MPAA and all the rest. And if it was YOUR work and YOUR livelihood being looted like this then 99% of you would have done precisely the same thing. That’s simple human nature but stealing/infringing is NOT. Piracy remains in the minority online, and it always will because of our collective human NATURE.

    Kudos to the posters here who acknowledge the truth: they take it because they can and they want it and they don’t pay because they want it for free. Plain and simple.

    And THAT’s the bottom line. That’s what the artists see, the industry sees, that’s what the politicians see, that’s what the courts and the judges see and everytime you (collectively) or TPB or any of you adolescent morons out there give them the finger you only devalue your own voice to be heard by your representatives, and now you HAVE NO economic authority either because you stopped paying and gave THAT back to the industry, too. So NOW you whine about “privacy”, as if ANY FAIR government would retain privacy online KNOWING THIS is what you are going to do with it.

    You could have done this smart. You could have done this right. You could have crippled the industry by showcasing industry exploitation and making the industry the bad guys. But no, instead YOU have exploited the arts and entertainment on a scale of looting unprecedented harming artists and their families ALL OVER THE WORLD and in the process, YOU make these artists AND THE INDUSTRIES the victims. It’s not easy making Jack Valenti or Dan Glickman look good, but YOU are so effed up you’ve managed to do it in a few short years.

    You are selfish, you are disrespectful, you are childish whining, shallow thinkers with greedy entitled appetites and anarchistic attitudes and it is a sincere pleasure to watch the industries slowly, methodically, LEGALLY and INEVITABLY marginalize every one of you, to the point where YES, the laws will be forced to hand the network over to those who will properly police it. And why?

    Because you have shown in action and in fact that you do NOT have the greater good of civilized organization, fair play, commerce and taxes, justice and the exposure of immoral industry practices at heart. Instead you want and take free shit and high five each other that nobody can stop you. While you HIDE, for GOD’s sake, cowardly beyond human comprehension.

    I do not work in these industries and everyone with an alternative opinion is not necessarily a troll. Some of us actually think deeply about this, and I read all sides, believe me. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE THIS, but the network loses most.

    If you really think that this network brought to us by the industries you ransack and controlled and administered by the governments of the world CANNOT be policed to gain decency and law abiding behavior online? You make me laugh. They are presently struggling to find a workable solution BECAUSE they are trying to KEEP our privacy, NOT take it away from us. And those who disagree are entitled to publish their bullshit corruption/conspiracy treatises if they like.

    “This is the fight of our generation, and it is too important to lose.”

    It’s lost already. You blew it. This should have been a moral issue but this is a legal/technical chess game with a zero sum return now. Even if pirates 100% STOPPED TODAY, the ACTA would still be passed. And since we all know you won’t stop, neither will anyone else and everything we love and hold dear will be chipped and chipped away year after year until the network is made more secure. You started it, but you cannot stop this now. And you’ll have a ruined network we LOVE because you couldn’t be trusted not to steal online. While you whine semantics and “infringement.”

    Selfish, shortsighted, destructive whining children, everyone of you. Are you proud yet?

  • .js

    Sorry about my grammar, english is not the first language.
    Ok, let’s see worst case scenario:
    quote
    “The apparent strategy:

    1. Outlaw file sharing
    2. Outlaw personal encryption and anonymization services
    3. Set up a global, privately-run Internet surveillance program to spy on everybody all the time without a warrant — run by ISPs and paid for by the taxpayers
    4. And finally, get the authority to block anyone from the Internet entirely, without the involvement of police, courts or any verifiable trail of evidence”

    The result – a parallel internet.
    After all, what does those ISPs own?
    a bunch of wires, fibers, switches, routers and some servers => the road.
    Each and everyone of us owns the wheel.
    Or, maybe not :)

  • we can boycott

    Yes the RIAA and MPAA a few years ago tried to buy p2p, torrent software, when that didn’t work they tried to have p2p and torrent software banned, that obviously hasn’t worked so now they’re going after the isp’s, doing what the governments can’t do with their consent. what can we do ?, BOYCOTT their products, just don’t buy any of their over priced CD’s or Movies, it’s legal and they can’t stop you, plus it hurts them where it counts, The Wallet.

  • anon2

    i cant believe that this has only now been realised! it has already been allowed to go too far! there has been too many bribes paid to too many government ministers etc. it will not end now until the internet has been taken over completely by these greedy bastards or the bloody fools that have been more interested in how much they getting to turn a blind eye or vote stupid laws in, realise that they themselves cant now use it. 1984 is definitely here!!

  • Rabbit80

    The problem is – for every 1 that boycotts the industry, there are still 10 more paying for CD’s blissfully unaware of what is actually happening!

  • Jens should do some research

    …and he would find out that the Chief Technical Officer of DCS.net (hosting thepiratebay.org) has done some prison time.

    Add this stuff to that http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/the-pirate-bay-verdict-goes-english-and-we-dish-the-dirt.ars

    and Jens will realize it is not that difficult to criminalize people who are already criminals…

  • Jens Roland

    My take: boycotting wouldn’t make a significant difference. And DDoS attacks are both illegal and counterproductive.

    Voting against any law that limits net neutrality is critical. Spreading the word – the FACTS – about the importance of free (as in speech) networks and technologies is critical. Educating the public and your politicians through letters and blog posts is critical.

  • Money money money

    One of the main reasons why the recording industry are currently succeeding in this hostile takeover of the Internet,

    IS THAT PIRATES ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY… (They have always been)

    Follow the money, the ad brokers, the affiliates, the bank accounts in exotic places, visit the pirate parties and you’ll see the huge amount of self indulgence and stupidity…

  • Point 3

    Jens, dude, the ISPs were doing deep packet inspection before any of this became relevant. Ever heard of Phorm or Nebuad?

    The point is that ISPs cannot cover all costs with your measly subscription money. So they needed to find other ways to monetize the info of their customers (while killing the activities that were not profitable to them).

    The ISPs were the first to screw with the privacy of their customers.

    Now the video services are in trouble: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=175949&site=cdn

  • .js

    @ 23 Apr 29, 2009 at 23:51 by Jens should do some research

    Are you a criminal until proven innocent?
    Or it’s the other way around?

  • Ralonto

    I agree with a full 100% with everything stated in this post. It fully represents my personal ideas and observations on the situation. But as a person I have no idea what I can start against it. Educate people? Sure, I try to do that in real life, trying to convince them why filesharing is an amazing cultural achievement for humanity. But more drastic actions are seemingly nessecary and I have no idea what actions to take or what is nessecary. In this matter I am araid that I’m in the same position as you are in, hiphop :-\

  • Niko

    FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jens Roland

    @26: I know – but they weren’t *forced* to spy on their customers on behalf of a private company. Customers can 1) choose ISPs who don’t invade their privacy, and 2) encrypt their connections if they wish.

    @23: Criminals? Because of a minor possession charge of recreational drugs for his own use? If that was enough to label you a hardened criminal, then there’d be millions of ordinary americans behind bars on stupid drug charges. Oh wait, there are.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    i predicted this 4 years ago and woa what have we hear.

    here’s another one , they will get all the above and shortly there after everyone will say STFU and stop using it forcing there investment into it to go poof and the billions they are spending at doing this to have been the greatest waste a human resources and cause them all to go bankrupt.

    TIME 4 years.

  • Kris

    Whens the r5 due out?

  • .NetRolller 3D

    A worldwide boycott (and girlcott). Everyone participating. That would help. Or perhaps another Internet – maintained By The People, For The People.

  • Pirates Hostile Takeover of Creativity

    Thank you very much all you goons that sent my little record label into bankruptcy. We invested $250K into our recordings, and more than 600,000 copies were distributed in one month on the Pirate Bay. We sold less than $50K worth of real product.

  • riaatard

    The RIAA/MPAA/IFPI own the expensive lawyers and politicians that pull the strings of the ISP’s.

    They have the money, lawyers and politicians in their hands. They speak in a language that only an ignorant politician can understand. They have the power in the courtroom, but on the internet they can never stop or control us. They think they control and own us and the internet. They’re wrong. They’re just forcing us to become far smarter and stronger forcing us all to unite with factions that previously would never help one another.

    The powers that be, these hackers with their megamillion strong botnets have the ability to take the battle where we can win on our own ground. Send in the botnets and show them who actually controls the internet and hit them where it hurts. Cause the IFPI/MPAA/RIAA to spend millions of dollars on bandwidth and security. Maybe then and only then will they think twice.

    As individuals sitting at home quietly downloading a song or a movie don’t really have alot of power or time to stop anything. The hackers with their botnets do. They can disable entire countries if they wanted to.

    I predict an all out cyberwar where the true winners will be…pirates. The IFPI/MPAA/RIAA started this war and the hackers and pirates will end it. This is the only time where pirates and hackers can and SHOULD unite not just for the betterment of ourselves, but our entire future generations that are going to be crushed and stifled by these large corporations.

    It has to happen. They started this. We all have no choice.

    REVOLUTION NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!

  • Stealing erodes your liberty

    Dear shortsighted pirates,

    There are consequences for your illegal activities. If you take bread from the mouths of hard working people that make music, business software, video games, books, movies, comics, magazines and anything else that doesn’t require ditch digging for a living, you will bring the wrath of a hell of a lot of intelligent people upon yourselves. Welcome to justice.

  • revolution

    YES, YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

    This situation is going to lead to REVOLUTION!! Can’t you see the signs? It’s not just file sharing.

    The people is getting @ss f0cked and is still saying “Thank You Sir!” How long is it gonna last?

    We just a need a little more push towards fascism, corruption, openly taking people for idiots and stealing their basic rights and IT WILL BEGIN!

    Heads will fall. Blood will be shed.

    YES, YESSSS!!!!

  • KloWn

    Well put article but come on now, the gaming industry has tried the same thing and so has the movie industry.. There is better odds of the U.S government finding Osama BinLaden ( or how ever it’s spelled ) then something like this becoming reality.

  • Jens Roland

    @35: Hackers with botnets???? That’s like saying you want to use thugs with guns. That is NOT the way to win this battle.

  • And you are about 16 years old

    Yes, a true concrete thinker.

  • @ riaatard

    #35 “Revolution now” blah blah

    You gone on ahead lead the way, I’m right behind you.

  • revolution

    @35

    I also believe, and past worldwide viruses threat and botnets attacks are a proof of this, that hackers are WAY more powerful than any government agency or stupid entertainment business.

    I mean, how may times the CIA and FBI intranet have been hacked? LOL What do you think you MAFIAA guys can do against hackers? Watch and cry. LOL

  • Joel

    Dont download music!!!!!!!!!!!!! unless you pay for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • revolution

    Hey Jens, what do you think happens when people are under a powerful, immediate and unfair threat? Hmm, let’s see, do they “spread the word”, “educate” and “vote”? No, they fight.

    It’s sad there’s no other alternative and I’d personally like this could be resolved by intelligent thinking but IMO that’s exactly what’s going to happen if laws keep being passed towards killing freedom from the internet.

  • Iamnotacrook

    The question is… how can we as lowly individual users combat this… of course we join forces but how?

    I don’t think a petition would solve it tbh.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    carnivore and echelon by the American govt also comes to mind regarding a post above

    lest we not forget they spy all the time.

  • Texas Roadhouse is good

    Aren’t there any smart people and respected people who can tell the judges what’s going on? Or classes they can take?

  • Rabbit80

    @34
    I hope you read torrentfreak regularly now then. There is a wealth of information on how you can use piracy to your advantage if you look hard enough! Maybe you could have uploaded your own torrent to TPB for example with a nice little plea to the pirates who liked your recordings to support you by buying them!

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  • Whooooo

    Some Sort of Mass Demonstration in several different countries would get the media’s attention.
    I’m to lazy someone sort this out…
    ty

  • logic voter

    the world awaits swedens retrial and liberation of TPB four…

  • TK

    The beginning,

    “It cannot be stressed enough: this is not a question of copyright, of music, or of piracy. ”

    And end,

    “When our liberties are taken from us, we must rise, united in one voice, and fight for them.”

    …ring the most true and sum up the cause, in my eyes. Otherwise, the whole movement would be pointless. Fight doesn’t exactly mean literally, but we must stand up for ourselves in all aspects of our being.

  • Anonymous

    LOL what more can be said to an article like this. They will never be able to ban everyone from the internet at least in the us. 1, the isps will loose far to much money and under the current “global economic recession” its not very likely to happen anytime soon if ever. 2, As for being able to ban whoever they feel like without due process again wont ever happen, guilty until proven innocent banning people without reason is a closed case for a lawsuit from anyone and everyone who gets banned. 3, they will never stop personal encryption

  • Virate

    Sit back, chillax. If they remove the roads, we’ll build new ones. If they remove them, we will turn to the skies.

    Fear not, eventually WE (“evolutionaries”) always win. Haven’t you noticed?

  • Anonymous

    We must never blame the network for the actions of individuals

    we dont blame the government for someone going out and stealing a car, we blame the person stealing the car

    why it is being forced upon the pirate bay to pay for their actions of setting up a legal network and people abusing it against their will is beyond me…

    i would love to know how much was said to the judge behind closed doors, no doubt the mpaa ect ect would have been willing to pay very hansomley for a guilty verdict :s

  • Apocalypse

    The solution is simple. Boycott these mofos! Hit em where it hurts the most.

    Don’t buy any product endorsed or associated with these AAA assholes!

    It is not that hard to do. Just look at all their products, all garbage and not worth a single penny.

  • Preaching to the converted… yes

    but and interesting read nonetheless.

    @25 – dick!

    “Voting against any law that limits net neutrality is critical. Spreading the word – the FACTS – about the importance of free (as in speech) networks and technologies is critical. Educating the public and your politicians through letters and blog posts is critical.”

    Yes, yes, yes!!!!

    Thanks for this article Jens.

  • Preaching to the converted… yes

    edit: @21 not 25… the post numbers are being changed whilst I type!

  • Preaching to the converted… yes

    “Thank you very much all you goons that sent my little record label into bankruptcy. We invested $250K into our recordings, and more than 600,000 copies were distributed in one month on the Pirate Bay. We sold less than $50K worth of real product.”

    Maybe you’re just not very good!

  • Jens Roland

    @48: Well said, Virate. Eventually, the people’s voice is heard, and oppressors will lose. I just don’t want to wait.

  • mother

    This is something I will fight against, by any means necessary – and I mean any means necessary including total fucking war.

  • anonpirate

    @32 you speak of hardworking people getting stolen from, well talk to the hardworking artists who create all of the music. The RIAA and record labels steal from these artists, they get very little money out of their songs, which is why so many of them have to go on tour. it has been said many times but if they quality of music were to improve, and they would make whole cds that are good instead of one song on the cd, then people would go out and buy them. there are at least 100 artists who i would have never heard if i didn’t download their music. after i listened to them and liked them, i went out and bought their cd, or saw them at a live show. Is it really stealing if you are taking from the rich and giving to the poor?

  • Flomp

    The time has come. We must take back control of OUR internet.

  • bottleneck

    I think we should make a new content mafia, we are the people, we are the network.

    If you, want to do something as an individual, run a tor node.

    I have been reading this blog for awhile, and all the comments are always full of hate, but never of ideas.

    Take 5 minutes and actually make a change for privacy you idiots.

  • anti anti pirate

    32 and 39 its not stealing go troll somewhere else [preferably nowhere]

  • mpaatard

    I wanna s*ck off a nice big fat rich RIAA/MPAA/IFPI lawyer.

  • Anonymous

    Copying isn’t theft
    Stealing a thing leaves one less left
    Copying it makes one thing more
    That’s what copying’s for.

    Copying isn’t theft
    If I copy yours, you have it too
    One for me and one for you
    That’s what copies can do.

    If I steal your bicycle,
    You have to take the bus
    But if I just copy it,
    There’s one for each of us!

    Making more of a thing
    That is what we call copying
    Sharing ideas with everyone
    That’s why copying…
    …Is fun!

    (Song by Nina Paley)

  • Tom

    It seems American corporations want the internet..

    Just like the American health care system.. and look how that prefers money making to people healing because the industry is owned by the corps..

  • Anonymous

    Someone should organize a worldwide, take back the internet day. Spread the message and on that day, everyone should contact their local politicians to ensure they know that this is an important issue.

  • Use Your Brain?

    Great f u c king article Jens!! At least some of us danes have read the smallprint on this situation! :D

    Civil disobedience has and always will be the only way to fight for human and civil rights – When united, the people is unequaled in power!

    Even socalled democratic governments like U.S., Sweden, Denmark etc. rule on the power granted by their people, so when they abuse this power, we, they people, should take it away from them again, and use it to construct an even better, more free, more just, and even more democratic society…

    The laws are only justified, when they serve in the interest of the majority of a society. When they fail to do so, they no longer have any purpose for society in general and becomes irrelevant and obsolete..de facto even unjust and unfair.

    Therefore a good conscious individual, would obstruct, break and even openly fight these laws…with civil obedience!!

    Pirating/sharing is one way. Boycutting another. Starting your own bittorrent tracker yet another…make more up yourselves as you go – just keep fighting and never give up!!

    It’s that simple! :D

  • Rainydays

    Good article but i’m look for News, real news. Not some stories so this site can meet there quota of 2 headlines a day. This article was good none the less but can we stick to real news and not stories or philosophy here??

  • Use Your Brain?

    d a mnit, should have said: civil DISobedience in the end there…lol

  • The Lord

    I love how bands are scared they might have to do some work for once.

    “What do you mean play a gig 3 times a week? Fuck that shit man!”

    That’s the thing a lot don’t like doing, playing their music live. Most people work 5 days a week for enough to get by. Others work more for less. Musicians expect to get paid many times for a small amount of “work”. Even those that are incredably shit.

    If you don’t make money of your music you’re either shit or have a very unique taste no one else can understand.

    Now, that’s the artist side. The music industry side is simple. You’re no longer needed. Fact. Like most other industries under threat of becoming hugeley un-needed, you try to fight for each and every last breath.

    The people in the music industry will fight also, understandable, it’s their job at stake. It’s sad I know, but sorry guys and gals, you aren’t needed.

    Back here in Britain we used to have a big coal industry, then they suddenly had their coal mines closed and were jobless. Shit happens, get another job. Most people in the developed world now have to rely on having many skills as jobs will come and go. Not many people will stay in one trade for too long.

    The way forward is for artists to promote themselves, tour a lot more and invest in themselves instead of letting others control them.

    The movie industry is a hard one. The one big thing they could do is cut the pay they give to the cast of some films. For a dying indusrty they don’t half splash out on crud. Having theatres playing films for free and then making money soley off adverts, food and other beverages. It’s going to be a long time before everybody has their own home cinema that can come anwhere close to that of a good commercial cinema. They could even keep an entry fee but bring it down at least.

    The gaming indusrty, all I can say is Steam. I love knowing that my game is there for me, anytime, anywhere. Their deals are great. Updateable, community based and quick to use. I pay not just for the games, but that safe of mind and service. I have way more pirated games than legal, but I do go straight to steam to buy things I like (I usually wait for offers or a price drop).

    Television should just set up a membership torrentsite with adcerts on the site, not in the video. I’d pay £10 a month to have access to a back catalouge of stuff but with a constant seed and a service that also updated any incorrect information. A service that also provides information on what I’m watching, reviews, user reviews, cast info and such.

    If they made a service that most other torrent sites couldn’t put together then everyone would go to them. True, after a while most of their catalogues would be copied and upped elsewhere, but the other services would keep it popular and more entising. Competetions could be held. Lucky users could be picked to visit sets and so on. Live chat with the cast on their irc.

    In my opinion digital meida can no longer be contained and sold. The only reason it is still happening is because the majority don’t understand or even know about bittorrent or file sharing protocols altogether. A minority of fileshares won’t understand how they get their files. Only that they click here, type this and click again, click ok, open. This will eventually change as the user numbers grow and more become in contact with the digital world.

    Ah well, that’s my late night ramble done. Off to bed.

  • ME

    Excellent article!

  • huh?

    Pirate Bay is a tracker, neither they kept the shared files nor had they operated the networks.
    Get a clue, before you write an article.

  • freetard

    “I hope you read torrentfreak regularly now then. There is a wealth of information on how you can use piracy to your advantage if you look hard enough! Maybe you could have uploaded your own torrent to TPB for example with a nice little plea to the pirates who liked your recordings to support you by buying them!”
    ——————-

    so your big idea is that all the professional artists should become pan-handlers and beg the digital freeloaders for charity?

    i think whatever you do for a living, should be done the same way. at the end of the month, you should appeal to your bosses and clients and hope they give you enough to live on. you could do it as an experiment just to prove your point. let me know how that goes…

  • Admiral Adama

    SO SAY WE ALL

  • JD

    It’s time we started our own religion:
    Piratism-isems..isems

    And took a leaf from the Islamic extremists to use suicide bombings against this evil that is the RI/MPAA.

    Who’s up for sacrifising themselves?

  • Harvey

    Well, once could apply for a job in the tech section of various anti-piracy and copyright-protection groups, and then proceed to leave rootkits and trojans around. Maybe install a physical keystroke logger inside the case of one of the clueless middle management types… Or hack your way and leave the same software payload.

    Harvesting internal memos from high ups, logging transaction details, etc., you’re bound to come up with some very shady stuff.

    Then just email it to every major news outlet you can think of, as well as the newswire agencies like Reuters, AP, etc.

  • Anonymous

    I guess now is time to spread the word, I’m going to assume a couple repostings with sources cited wont get me in trouble?

  • Anon Name

    “Then just email it to every major news outlet you can think of, as well as the newswire agencies like Reuters, AP, etc.”

    First post it to WikiLeaks.

  • Jeremy

    What would be really useful, is if there was a group of people SPECIFICALLY set to make sure the internet stays uncensored, openly available, and fair. Sort of like the FCC, only for the internet, and only for the internet.

  • Harshytkage

    WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!!!
    Get lost sucko’s the internet will never be “owned”!

  • Anon Name

    Quote from p2pnet site

    http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623#comment-972465

    There are no “those guys” behind “anonymous”.
    It’s basically the ultimate “flash mob”: people put out ideas, and if people are interested, they do their own thing with it.
    The only reason Chanology was interesting is because enough people hate the Church of Scientology that they felt like being involved with the Chanology “brand”.

    Anonymous is “designed” (if you can even apply that term) that way.
    I mean, come on — what real common “party line” can you get from:

    1. Chanology (attack on Church of Scientology)
    2. Hacktivism against that racist guy
    3. Seizure-bombing epilepsy-awareness website.
    4. Raiding Habbo Hotel online-world with Samuel-Jackson lookalikes
    5. Defacing hiphop-related websites.
    6. Unleashing a rain of penises on Anshe Chung’s press conference in Second Life.

    You can’t, because there IS no “organization” there, in the conventional sense of the term.

    It’s even more amorphous than the “leaderless-resistance” structure used by dissident Right-wing groups in the U.S. back in the 1990s — this isn’t even “Cells”, and there’s no “command”-structure.

    Just a bunch of anonymous chatboards, encyclopedia dramatica, Ebaums world, and whatever else somebody decides to use.

    That is also why media coverage related to “Anonymous” is total bullshit.

    You can’t “stop” anonymous because it’s not an “organization” in the conventional sense of the term.

    It’s ad-hoc, emergent, not just “de-centralized” but ANTI-CENTRAL (if that’s even a word).

    Read the articles related to them at wikipedia and encyclopedia dramatica — I see “anti-organizations” such as Anonymous as the wave of the future, really: flash-mobs on a global scale.

    But yeah, I agree with you that DdoS attacks are bullshit and pretty much pointless.

  • Anon Name

    Torrentfreak, could you fix it so that the comments don’t get renumbered because of some comments go into moderation queue and some get deleted?

    So that it is easier to refer to comments above.

  • riaatard

    REVOLUTION NOW!!!!!!!

  • OmegaWolf747

    The RIAA, MPAA and the corrupt politicians who let them run amok must be stripped of their power.

  • Anonymous

    Nice pep talk, guy.

  • LoL

    What the individual can do to fight back at this thing?

    Simple. The individual has no say in polices, in the laws being passed and others things but the individual has freewill, meaning that’s time to put your money where your mouth is.
    People believe sharing can make a business prosper how about people start looking at opensource videos, music and other stuff?

    Of course the quality is bad right now but you can choose to listen and play the bully games or you can just walkaway and ignore him.
    Use the same laws that protect them to ignore them. Make your own content and protect it with and open license. It’s time to OpenMusic, OpenMovies, OpenEverthing.

  • Michael

    You know… if people just stopped STEALING music, movies, etc, this wouldn’t be an issue… “File sharing” isn’t what RIAA and MPAA have a problem with. It’s the breach of copyright that’s the problem. Instead of complaining about how much they are ruining the internet, try examining yourself and see what your illegal acts are doing to the internet.

  • ProtectingFreedom

    If you read more on the topic you will realize that most recent psychology research says that free exchange of ideas is typical for most mentally healthy individuals.

    Which for those less healthy looks like stealing. But it is to the contrary – most healthy behavior, to borrow and share ideas. Just google Robin Skynner.

    >>> Use open-source software. Do not buy corporate products. Spread the vision of free culture<<<

  • riaatard

    I don’t steal music, movies, etc. I download 0′s and 1′s.

    Stealing is when you walk in a store and put something in your pocket, not pay for it and walking off with it.

    Now, I need to get back to downloading my 0′s and 1′s.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s an example:
    http://www.jamendo.com/en/

    Free music for the masses LoL

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  • valros

    A boycott needs to be initiated, even if not to spread the word then to send a message to them through their sales. No purchases of physical media, no purchases from Itunes, Zune or other networks of the type. If file sharing isn’t your gig, look into a youtube downloader, the Media Converter plugin for Firefox is mine.

  • magnumquick

    Looks like we may be back to the ol dialup and BBS groups.

  • Use Your Brain?

    @Michael:

    Will you please go shoot yourself in the head??!!

    Your puny brainwashed excuse of an existence is less worth to us here, than the oxygen-molecules your organism absorbses, so please cease…to exist!

    Thank You :)

  • Cujothemadog

    With over 60,000,000 people in the US that enjoy file sharing, I’d say the riaa hostility is certainly going to raise a stink. I don’t think they realize what they’re doing

    http://www.eff.org/issues/file-sharing

  • Michael

    @Use Your Brain?
    I won’t be shooting myself anywhere, thanks. That would be as dumb as thinking it’s ok to steal digital content and claim it’s ok because it’s just 1′ and 0′s…

    Please feel free to give me a reason for your abusive response…

    For all your excuses why it isn’t stealing none abide by the law. I don’t care what you “think” is ok or what isn’t, that’s not what matters. Jeffery Dhamar killed and ate people because he thought it was ok… does that make it right or no longer illegal? Lots of people think it’s ok to smoke pot… doesn’t help when the cops catch them. Whether you like the law or not it’s your responsibility to abide by it or face the consequences for breaking it. If you want it changed then take the legal steps necessary to get it changed. Breaking the law won’t help get it changed.

    I’m not going to ask you to shoot yourself in the head. But i would ask that you use that organ in your head for something useful and not for blowing convoluted garbage out of your feeding hole.

  • UltraleetJ

    yup, i will release every single thing on these services that don’t make you pay for anything. Then someone else can make suggestions on it and then people would listen and then it would get improved. If movies and music would work the open source way things would be better in many ways. i honestly don’t understand all of the complaining witht the industry. if you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. THings change with time and their business model hasn’t changed. So, for all of you that think downloading is illegal think again and use your uppper head instead of the other head. This cannot be put more clearly. File sharing just like downloading, the postage mail, ETc. is simply another method of distribution. Wether the industry is having the time of their life or not with it is THEIR problem and FAULT, NOT OURS. Plus it is much easier and economic for a company to transfer their employees with say, torrents of their documents. They would save paper, they would save bandwith, they would save ink, they would save time, they would obviously save money. You all are looking at the WRONG NEGATIVE stuff of file sharing. Its much cheaper to send a letter or a document or anything else to a friend over the internet rather than pay the tickets for each way. Obviously, those of you who think downloading and file sharing is illegal then would believe that buying the tickets and spending 400 + dollars is the right thing to do. Either that or send it via regular mail. SO lets assume the former, to be in “moral” terms. Sure, lets make a trip from South America to some country in Asia (it’d take a bit over 20 hours) and give our friend a thumb drive or a cd with the document. Because, if he downloads it and if I send it over torrents I am breaking the law. Oh, and since we need him to send it to someone else I’ll make him buy another cd and or a thumb drive, copy the document into that and make him travel to Europe to get that sent, because if the person downloads it via torrents or file sharing he and my friend and I are ALL breaking the law… WRONG! This is exactly how judges, the industry and some brainless people are thinking. Of course torrents are a very efficient method of distribution. Now, wether they are used for a good or a bad purpose is of course up to the person. The same applies to most daily things that you find in life. So, if i have a knife I can either cut food with it or even stab and wound or kill someone. This is the SAME PRINCIPLE. Wether a person uses the knife for something useful or for an illegal purpose is not the manufacturer’s or the shopping mall’s or the designers’, or the cooks’ fault. Lets put it mroe clearly, in terms of music. If i blast music into someone’s ears and leave them deaf or if I play a song at a normal volume is the same. So, it is not the music or the mp3 player that is illegal in nature–it is the actions that someone comits with these things that are illegal. For the dumber ones out there, the issue has NOTHING TO DO with piracy. This is what this article is trying to say. That is as simple as it gets. But everyone is complicating themselves. wasting money, wasting everything. Who knows what these people are smoking over there in the music industry because they owe the world brain cells big time. And fi this is done in spite of fear (which means that people now know what are the abusive and corrupt practices of the music industry) then why are they afraid of letting that out? it was about time that someone found out why copyright was invented–it was also time for more accountability to happen. But no, these people don’t want to be accountable. They don’t want to recognize that artists are not getting compensated because of THEM, paying them less than 15% of what the sales produced. So now, they enter panic mode and call everyone that talks the truth about them terrorists, pirates, eTC. I am SICK of this going on governments and organizations. SICK of the dishonesty that has always been floatted. Then they tell you to be honest and everything when you’re growing and everything so that THEY can take advantage of you. Its sad but true. Sort of like what happened when someone of the US congress fell into their own trap. They were strongly supporting Bush’s illegal wiretaping and interception of communications program. IN fact this female was the strongst supporter. Once the female learned that now the spying was onher part, then she started crying and started backing out and now is in oposition to that act. Both of these things, the music industry and the female, are the best examples of what is defined and known as HYPOCRITES.

  • Anonymous

    “Stealing erodes your liberty” Just because some people share files that may or may not be illegal doesn’t make it right for ISPs to spy on their customers. I’ve bought quite a bit of anime and music because I downloaded it or watched it streamed on a website. And what about cases of mistaken identity? What about people who’ve been accused of file sharing who don’t even know what limewire is.

  • Michael

    @UltraleetJ

    Wow, for someone trying to sound intelligent you completely missed the mark… RIAA, MPAA, and all the other groups only want to stop the ILLEGAL sharing of digital content. What a business wants to do with their content is not their concern. If you take that business’ information and try to share it with others illegally, that is. I use Napster for all my music. $14.99 a month for their to-go plan and $.99 for some songs that aren’t available for free. Amazon, Zune Marketplace, iTunes, etc. all are LEGAL sources for music that RIAA is thrilled when people use.

  • UltraleetJ

    “I won’t be shooting myself anywhere, thanks. That would be as dumb as thinking it’s ok to steal digital content and claim it’s ok because it’s just 1? and
    0’s…”. Alright, but ALL digital data is comprised of a system called the binary system (educate yourself please). In any case, this person NEVER deleted a copy of the original work. That copy is still there. He just made another copy and then everyone else is making copies of that. What’s wrong with making copies. There was no shelf, there was nothing that made it a loss. Yes, artists and others are not getting compensated, because the method of distribution (making copies and downloading) is there. However, the people who should get compensated or even better, the people who claim they represent the artists should concentrate on thinking better and using that system to their advantage. That is where the problem lies. Again, copying and downloading are forms of distribution. File sharing is one of them too. Wether the industry knows how to use that ot their advantage or not is THEIR PROBLEM.
    “Please feel free to give me a reason for your abusive response…
    For all your excuses why it isn’t stealing none abide by the law. I don’t care what you “think” is ok or what isn’t, that’s not what matters.” This is somewhat in the gray area and I would like if you would clarify that for the poster. However, one thing is clear–you have just phrased what politics are trying to tell people by corrupt governmental practices. They of course don’t care what we, the people think is wrong or not–it doesn’t matter, am I correct?

  • me

    hack ‘em all!

  • UltraleetJ

    “RIAA, MPAA, and all the other groups only want to stop the ILLEGAL sharing
    of digital content. What a business wants to do with their content is not their concern.” Sounds like a contradiction to me. Though, lets back up for just a minute. you just said that the content of song writers, film producers and musicians is actually the industrie’s content and propperty? this is already violating copyright. I don’t see why the industry should make something i created their propperty. But it doesn’t stop there–they sell it for low prizes, but the makers of the product sometimes don’t even get the total worth amount for that item (I.E. that $14.95 or the 99 cents a song you just mentioned). In any case, if the industry can’t keep up with the growth of technology them I am deeply grieved but they have just got to leave their business model, period. They clearly want to stop the illegal sharing, (i have nothing against that), but they are taking the wrong path. They are trying to take things over, spend money on things tey shouldn’t, and the best part is that the solution is right there. File sharing is so popular they could just monetize it somehow. It hurts that they haven’t figured that out, even though many people have said it differently many times. Another reasonw hy others want tohurt the industry is because of their practices. i remember signing up for a record label, and kmnow other musicians that have done things “the right way” and they are not getting paid, even though the industry has made the bucks. You might want to research Puerto Rico’s legendary composer, “Roberto Angleró”.

  • Michael

    @UltraleetJ
    Yes, artists and others are not getting compensated, because the method of distribution (making copies and downloading) is there. However, the people who should get compensated or even better, the people who claim they represent the artists should concentrate on thinking better and using that system to their advantage.

    What do you call iTunes and other legal sources of digital content? Are you wanting someone to set up a torret for you to download the music from instead of using the iTunes app?

    However, one thing is clear–you have just phrased what politics are trying to tell people by corrupt governmental practices. They of course don’t care what we, the people think is wrong or not–it doesn’t matter, am I correct?

    Why should they? You are trying to get them to make allowances and concessions for your illegal activities! Go tell them you want to break the law in other ways and they’ll treat you the same. And give up the corrupt government garbage when it comes to this topic. Yea, the government can be corrupt in some areas, but this isn’t one of them. Copyright law exists for a reason, to protect the artists who create from the people that would steal their work. When it is ok or not ok to steal music? when the record has gone platinum or are indie artists ok to steal from too?

  • Jimmy

    Excellent article, Mr. Roland. This vision of the internet future is frightening indeed. The key point here is, the ends (no more copyright infringement as defined by the RIAA/MPAA) do not justify the means (internet police state). If such an internet police state actually happens, not only will internet freedom end, but private entities will be come judge, jury and executioner on the net. And who suffers? EVERYONE.

  • Michael

    @UltraleetJ

    The arists make the choice to sign with these companies and sign LEGAL documents giving them ownership of their “art”. They are more than welcome to produce manufacture distribute market their wares as they wish and take 100% of the profit. So… Sorry, your point is invalid.

    I agree that they aren’t taking the correct path to fix the problem, but the fact remains that they are only doing what they are doing because the problem exists. Wouldn’t need pesticides if bugs didn’t eat the majority of the plants…

  • NubCakes

    “Kudos to the posters here who acknowledge the truth: they take it because they can and they want it and they don’t pay because they want it for free. Plain and simple.”

    Well thanks to you :P

    Funny how the most moronic posters have the names that they think impart some intelligence to their comments. Hey @Use Your Brain ?

    @Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    “i predicted this 4 years ago and woa what have we hear.”

    Don’t delude yourself idiot, people have been predicting this kind of tactics since before 1984 was published.

  • Go0g3n

    You know, in religious countries there may be a much better way to deal with this problem, just go on Olymp adn say that Sharing is in the Bible, it’s what Jesus would’ve wanted. Period.

  • Reventon

    Good article Jens, hitting the spot again!
    Even Reasoned Mind found this one tough to to argue with, great work :)

  • Go0g3n

    To add to the post, there is a solution, and and easy one.

    Pirate are a community, united by a number of common interests, so is Internet, just a larger one and more spread out.
    Start a campain against buying any kind of Entertainment products, music, movies whatever, if statistics are correct (about pirates buying more or at least the same as others) the losses of the coppyrighters will be immense.

  • Anonymous

    I recognize the MAFIAA has the right to do anything they want with what is theirs in the way they want to.
    Hell if they want to make consumers subscribers, vigilants, puppets or what they wish it’s their choice to make. Maybe not the smart choice but a choice never the less.
    I’m just waiting for the time that a nobody will come along with an idea, a great idea that will be more inline with the parameters we have today and be glad to see the dinosaurs die!
    Don’t kid yourselfs they will not change until somebody shows them how and by then it may be to late for their survival(I hope).

  • RIAA who

    its funny to see how many RIAA/MIAA are trolling in here.. pathedic

  • AJ

    @RIAA who
    I think it’s funnier to see all the poor bastards in here trying to justify their theft do to the fact that their job at McDonalds doesn’t pay enough for them to buy music legally.

    That’s “pathetic” <– see what i did there? spelling is hard isn’t it?

  • riaatard

    I really have come to admire MADONNA for how she went on this world wide tour and netted herself hundreds of millions of dollars in profits.

    That is smart business. She worked hard breaking her back sweating across stages all around the world. She worked very hard for her millions. She’s a very smart businesswoman. She’s even smarter for managing to pay practically NOTHING to the record executives and their lawyers.

    I would imagine that a decent percentage of people who went to her concerts have never bought her CD’s or music DVD’s. I would imagine that she sold a lot of tickets to people that had downloaded her music. She probably earned a lot of money thanks to piracy. She owes it to the free sharing of her music that actually cost her nothing to distribute.

    Now this is one smart cookie. She doesn’t rely on just sitting around and letting her bank fill up with money. If only we all could live that kind of life. I’m a lot like her even though I don’t earn as much as she does. I break my back and sweat five days a week fifty weeks a year.

    Now if those lazy artists who sit around all day smoking pot or ingesting heroine in their mansions and party it up all day crying that they’re being ripped off; perhaps you should all go out and get real jobs or actually go out on tour and actually EARN your money. Be smart and let the everyone publicize your creation for you at no cost to you by the sharing of your material on the internet, THEN go on tour and rake in your millions bypassing the lawyers and the record executives and keep most of the profits for yourself.

    It’s your choice. Be lazy and earn nothing. Work for your money and rake in the millions. The choice is yours so don’t bitch and call us criminals just because you’re too damn lazy to make a real living like the rest of us.

  • jc

    “I agree that they aren’t taking the correct path to fix the problem, but the fact remains that they are only doing what they are doing because the problem exists. Wouldn’t need pesticides if bugs didn’t eat the majority of the plants…”

    thats like saying we dont need our rights because ‘terrorists’ use them against us…maybe a slick terrorist does, but you cant say every person is equally to blame for the shit that has happened..give pirate bay back and give us our rights back..ill eat the majority of your plants son of a bitch..

    also, the huge cost of independently putting out your own record, the steps included in gaining success, and playing music for your audience is not as simple as you seem to understand it. its the only way out sometimes to sign with a big label. it is seemingly impossible to get any of the same discounts the big business gets making profit nearly improbable.

  • sick’n tired

    “Pathetic” is really just a point of view.

    For me is “pathetic” have my rights violated because some greedy bastard thinks his priority is more important then mine.

    I mean what the hell this people are thinking?
    How banking will be done without encryption or secure channels?
    People now have to let everybody see anything and everything just because a minor part of the planet needs money?

    Artists are not a big percentage of the world are they?

  • Michael

    @riaatard

    LOL, when you steal their music (owned by a corporation or not) you are a criminal though… They have every right to bitch. But damn if you aren’t right about them being lazy!

  • riaatard

    You are mistaken, Michael.

    I live in Canada. It’s not illegal to download music. So therefore, I’m not a criminal. ;)

  • Were Boned

    Downloading copyrighted content through file sharing is illegal, its undeniable, but isn’t what the RIAA is trying to do illegal too?

  • kreb

    damn straight!

    What do we need to do?

  • Ghostofchris

    *puts on tinfoil hat*

  • PC

    Just because a law exists, doesn’t mean it is morally right.

    The fact that the digital equivalent of making an exact copy of a painting and giving it out to your friends can land you jail time is a perfect example of an immoral law.

  • RIAA who

    AJ u seem to miss the point.. too bad, keep focusing on spelling since thats all you understand.

    I dont put the music on the internet, but as long as its available i will continue to enjoy it.

  • it’s not about copyright

    RIAA and MPAA’s crusade against so called copy right infringes is just a smokescreen for their true objective, which is control of the internet so that they can CONTROL DISTRIBUTION, they’re trying to herd all the wallets (customers) into a room and then forcing them to buy overpriced crappy products, talk about a captive audience. They will try until they have succeeded, there is no fighting it, they buy the laws, the politicians, the judges to legally change the system, there’s millions and the future of their business model at stake, they’ll never stop. What can you do?, vote for the pirate party in Sweden, it’s only when the current bought off politicians have been voted out that things will change, what do you have to lose?, vote for a issue that you care about, use the same tools against them, vote…it’s legal, free and the RIAA/MPAA can’t stop you from voting for the Pirate Party.

  • Ugly American

    I blame Federal Reserve Dollars for all murder for hire and arms deals!

    We should ban Federal Reserve Dollars right away!

    The RIAA/MPAA run on money. Just stop giving it to them. No more. None. 0.

    There are many independent non-police state artists like Trent Reznor, Jonathan Coulton & MC Frontalot that you can support directly.

  • Cujothemadog

    @ it’s not about copyright

    exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • piracy in china…

    China, Asia ARE the greatest infringes of copyright law, do the RIAA /MPAA go after copyright infringes there?, NO, they don’t have a say there because the Chinese government will tell them to fvck off pronto. Warner have already agreed to release their content on CBHD (chinese version of blu-ray) AT A VERY REDUCED price, why?, because Warner knows that CBHD is controlled by the governemnt and Warner will have no say or control over legal issues with regards to that medium, who benefits, the customers because they’re getting original content at a decent price point, Warner has to sell cheaper or face rampant piracy, and who is going to send 200 million Chinese peasants to jail for pirating ?…now that’s people power.

  • RobbingHood

    Excellent article!

    Dugg, Stumbled, Faecesbooked and on my webby too.

    I’ll print a few copies for the notice boards at work too (not more than 10% there will grasp the need for net neutrality thou…).

    Thanks for this pick-me-up TF, bit pissy this morning.

  • dumbo

    the internet is a drug did the goverment get rid of the drugs? hell no. the lost every f…ing war so far.

  • dumbo

    i blame also most of the artists. if they would join together and would create a new distribution system, they would make more money for them selves. get rid of the goons.

  • BritSwedeGuy

    Superb – a real manifesto.

  • dumbo

    the government want us to carpool to save the world, that’s called sharing. would you buy a car and let the seller tell you, who can ride with you.
    somebody bought a cd and want to share it, where is the difference?

  • complexity

    Lack of demand = Lower Prices

    Real basic. Not make us buy a 300 dollar product so that we can buy a 3 minute song for a dollar.

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  • WTF

    57 Apr 30, 2009 at 01:11 by Preaching to the converted… yes
    “Thank you very much all you goons that sent my little record label into bankruptcy. We invested $250K into our recordings, and more than 600,000 copies were distributed in one month on the Pirate Bay. We sold less than $50K worth of real product.”

    On how many artists/ albums/ singles? How much did you spend on promotion and marketing? Not a dime?

    600,000 seems like an exageration for someone who only sold 50k of “product.”
    If that many people wanted to hear your music, you should be having lots of calls for gigs in the clubs.

    Maybe you just produced bad music?

  • Rabbit80

    @74

    Actually, a large % of my earnings are from commission on software that I have been developing. There are no anti-piracy measures built in, however we have trained engineers to install, support and train users. We also provide the appropriate hardware for the job. This is what makes us the money – the cost of the software is largely irrelevant!

  • RzmmDX

    To be fair, the Internet was started by the Military.

  • rob

    Question are any of the Big media company’s vulnerable to hostile takeover.

    Ie if we got every pirate out there to buy 1 share of Sony, could we get 51% of the voting shares and then force them to be file sharing friendly by electing a board of directors that is pro file sharing.

    We are many and they are few, but if we work together we can own them.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that we are very near the point where we will have to shoot and bomb all these corporates parasites to solve this very serious infestation problem of our societies by the entairtainment industry.

    Nobody can control the internet.

    And even if this was to hapen we have wifi alternatives.

    And as far as trying to make me drop my encryption and anonymazing tolls they can kiss my ass.

    By the way this like kinking a big huge dog: very stupid and dangerous.

  • Lolled

    I’d rather send 5€ straight to artists themself than pay for overpriced CD’s on store.

    Why they are so overpriced some may ask, it’s simply cause boss, producer, sound artist, mixer and pretty much every employee on every studio is so damn over payed for their job.

    This goes on every company. While the workers made “minimum” wage, the boss makes five times more money on month than the worker in year. I won’t call it fair ever.

    Large paychecks must come down. That is one of the reasons why world economy is failing at the moment.

    I hope even some of you get my point and nice turnover from copyrights to company salaries…

  • Fabrice Epelboin

    @Jens Roland

    There’s such a law, yes, but when it comes to spying 30 million users, simple 128bit encryption still consume way too much CPU to ensure some protection for the casual user…

    Still, we’re in deep sh*t. Actualy, RWW France isn’t that open anymore to political content (a decision made by its french editor, not by Marshall, I must say).

    I was thinking of translating it & publishing it on owni.fr, a political oriented tech blog maintained by 50 high profile political and tech bloggers. Would it be ok with you ?

  • jon

    Michael: “Breaking the law won’t help get it changed.”

    Tell that to Rosa Parks or Mahatma Gandhi. Massive civil disobedience is the most effective way to change stupid laws.

    No one has the right to tell me i can’t copy something. I do whatever the hell i want with the available information. It doesn’t matter whether or not someone lose money. That’s their problem.

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  • Ralonto

    @ 34

    There are consequences for your failure to adapt to the 21st century. You take the bread from the mouths of hard working artists and criminalize all your customers and now you feel our counter-reaction and blame it on us. I can tell you sir, none other than you yourself are guilty of this situation. And these ‘people’ you speak of do not seem to be quite so intelligent judging from the past few decades. Welcome to reality.

    @ 73

    Your opinion is very arrogant. This clearly shows how little respect you have for your fans and customers (yes, customers, pirates buy more music than anone else). If you had such an opinion of me then personally I would never support you in any way. And no, I don’t think as an artist you should appeal to your bosses and clients and hope they give you enough to live on. Those ‘bosses’ you speak of are not just one person but an entire company, all of which will take away a tiny bitsy part of your income until you’re left with only about 7% of the money you garnered in the first place. Is that worth it? If you think so, I have severe pity.

    @ 81

    I found that anonymous is a stand alone complex. If you don’t know what that means, look it up it’s really interesting and incredibly relevant to modern society.

    @ 88

    I respect your calm tone, however I do not agree with you. Firstly, we are not stealing anything. Secondly, sorry for speaking plainly, but nobody is interested in copyright laws. There you have it. Consumer habits have changed to mass-consumption and this is not affordable by the general public. The RIAA demonizes their customers so customers decide to resort to piracy instead. And in the meanwhile, the economy is degenerating while the entertainment marketing as a whole is broadening. Other people simply have an interest in creating a society where all information and culture is free. Yet still, pirates are more active paying customers than any other population group there is. We do not care if it is ‘illegal’ what we are doing as long as it is morraly justified. And trust me, I examine my ideology on this matter near-daily.

    @ 112

    You reak of arrogance. People like you are the reason that the RIAA is in the position it is in now.

  • Anonymous

    @17

    It’s the majority of ordinary people (= pirates) versus a minority of very rich people.
    What you are advocating is that money makes one’s needs more important than the needs of the majority.

  • Let’s not forget

    There is one thing that ALWAYS needs to be added when this is said: “Using file sharing for illegal purposes is illegal. ”

    What we DEFINE as illegal is what makes something illegal. Sharing all kinds of information for non-commercial purposes is only illegal as long as society will put a per-piece capitalization process ahead of a flatrate based, “as much culture and information as you can handle” model, that would allow the free flow and exchange of information for everyone, while enabling and construction an artist reimbursement model parallel to it.

    It used to be musicians needed rich sponsors or a royal friend to get paid, and they in turn had to be their century’s greatest composer for it in turn. Some only made it to fame posthumously and had to live poor in their lifetime because of it.
    But the point is – there’s no reason why we shouldn’t pay people like scientists, philosophers and artists/creative people on a more community based principle, rather than enforcing a marketplace principle upon their work, which does NOT always bring out the best / common good rewards from it.

    Think about it. Examples could be scientists researching not for the most resellable medicine(which might be a non-lethal cold), but for the most dangerous disease, artists not having to compromise their vision due to not catering to mass appeal and so forth.

    We need to get away from the stoneage mindsets and create something that enables even those without money to have access to culture and information without becoming “thieves” in the eyes of those too retarded to see reality.

  • Darth_Tater

    Make no mistake the issues described in this article describe ACTA in a nutshell. This is not about piracy it is about who will control the internet. After the governments take it over where will you get your news?
    The newspapers are all failing.

    Rage against this, It is imperative that we maintain a neutral internet.

    Heck, most people would not mind some music or a movie quickly downloaded at a reasonable fee as long as they did not get stuck with paying IFPI, MPAA, Transport, DRM, Shipping, Legal, and all the other costs associated with the industry’s instance in setting monopoly prices they have enjoyed for so long. Wake the fuck up.

    Embrace this and make it work as opposed to trying to buy it.

  • Looky here

    If they ever do manage to take away the internet from us, we’ll switch to fully encrypted communication tunnels, burrowing through beneath their infrastructures.

    Instead of p2p, youth swap meets and the old fashioned “copy parties” will be reinstated, where people with external harddisks and laptops meet up and exchange data and collections by the Terabyte.

    You won’t be able to snoop a cable.

    What, you think “piracy” and sharing is only possible due to the internet?
    Wake the fvck up, this has been around from the first day a bit could be copied. You’re not going to ever end it, you can only drive it to different venues.

    But hey, the statistics at least will show piracy dead: if the people go back to person-to-person exchanges and local WLAN file exchanges, external disk trading etc, then all you can measure, all you can fvcking do is..nothing!

    You can’t stop an idea from being thought and you can’t stop a movement like this, ever. People want to share, people want access to information, people want to be free.
    You can’t control everyone all the time, especially not offline and in isolated darknets.

    So fvck you all, I am going to be voting pirate party until they close democratic elections down and I will do whatever and go wherever I choose regardless of what the content dictatorships try to do about it.

    Never forget – there isn’t just an internet. There’s also the people standing behind it.

    And, for our radicals: if you feel the industry makes you fear for your life due to prison, well, be creative. I’m pretty sure you can make them fear you, too, in plenty ways. They are just as “touchable” in an endless amount of ways as anyone else.

    And boycott of industry lobbies instead of artists should be a Nr 1 priority.

  • piracy in china…

    Do the Easterners, M/E, Russia care about copyright?, no sir, and the result is that items are priced at true value. It’s only in the west where greedy lawyers, artists, copyright their work in the hope of making millions for doing nothing, i.e. royalties, this business model was invented by clever greedy people and the same mentality prevails in the music industry trying to impose its will on a free technology.
    The modern white collar educated individual is always on the lookout for the perpetual income with zero effort, live off the hard work of others, e.g. RIAA/MPAA scumbags…

    Hell yes they want to preserve and control their distribution model at any cost.

  • Fin

    The say I see it, the next stage in society is a post scarcity one. To enter this we need virtually cheap by either complete saturation or by essentially free materials.

    We have entered the first stage – post scarcity of knowlege. This is conflicting with the current scarcity of materials, and with much if western culture geared towards all or nothing as scarce, we have the current issues.

    From here we have post energy scarcity in sight, Fusion power within the next decade or two, from there we either enter post labor scarcity with automation. That, or post material scarcity, which is where I beleive the ESA should be seriously considering building an orbital elevator, theres enough available matter in asteroids, the moon and Mars to support a multi trillion population.

    But thats the future, in the here and now there is an imbalance which the RIAA is responding to, they need something that is scarce and all they can offer in exchange is something with artificial scarcity since the digital age began.

    Good article btw.

  • Moonrend

    Many of our copyright fanatics oftenly defend their claims with:

    1. “Piracy is against the law”

    Law is made by humans, not gods/almightythings so laws are not the ultimate form of justice.

    2. “The artists suffer”

    I have seen 0 artists actually taking anyone listening to their music to court yet.

    3. “You guys just want everything free”

    Wrong, we pay for stuff we support.
    For Example: http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-witness-wife-overwhelmed-with-flowers-090227/

    Piracy is like sex before marriage, Anyone who says it’s bad is either a person who never had sex before marriage or a liar.

  • Missing the point

    @17

    First of all, since when is sharing knowledge and discussing it among peers not something human nature?
    You need to wake up to what community oriented sharing sites are really about. They cater more closely and instantly to the demands of the next peer than an industry ever could.
    That’s a structural failing of them and illustrates how well a self-organized p2p can work.

    But that’s not the point. Your whole arguments of consumption withdrawal aren’t, either.
    Not that they accurately reflect reality, but I don’t want to turn this into an essay.

    One point I do want to address is this: people ARE willing to pay for a service, but not content. What I mean is: people will spend 5-20 EUR a month for a VPN so they can FEEL safe in downloading what THEY CHOOSE.
    Let’s repeat this: they are willing to PAY to have this type of access and SERVICE.

    Why the fvck isn’t this just legalized, the VPN exchanged with a subscription model and be done with it?
    It’s not about WANTING everything for free; it’s about not being fvcking able to pay for a collection of 50.000+ MP3s in a normal world(no idea where you come from, but if you download 20 movies, 10 games and 60 albums every month, your way past any allowable expense an average salary could afford in my book and you can’t claim 1:1 losses on money that never would have been available for spending in the first place, PERIOD) in the first place.

    People want a different access and service model, they don’t want record execs to recommend sh1t to them but their peers, they want to talk and exchange themselves amongst each other, and they actually PROVIDE CONTENT THEMSELVES, too. Why not just allow the infrastructures to work and siphon off money to let it be legal?
    Why antagonize the sh1t out of everyone and call it stealing and the consumers thieves?

    It’s just so damn stupid.

  • Al Reaud

    They will never be able to block file sharing, especially for the Linux family of operating systems. As long as I have a laptop and and access point, I’ll bet that the capability to fileshare is there and available.

    Avast yourselves of Windows, and install something like Fedora, IMHO. Windows is one of the information leaks, that allows the RIAA and it’s minnions to know what’s on your pc (not that you can’t be a fool and leave Linux wide open with su priviliges).

    I’ll give you that as long as don’t people stand up, the RIAA and it’s ilk will succeed, but don’t stand for it folks. This IS a freedom of speech and association issue at it’s core.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    well isps will have to get the message, and hte one for sure way is a boycott of service for a week
    YA a whole measly week.
    JUST to show them world wide what will happen if riaa/mpaa gets its way.

    SO Microsoft is now losing money , wonder is that because of there deal with the RIAA and MPAA giving the customer nothing of what they want?

    Perhaps its copyright laws so out of wack and so long that no one can afford anymore to do anything.

    YUP prolly both. AND it will get steadily worse until we are forced to take action for the good of our nations we live in, people that support this crap are traitors to the future of our nations.

  • Anonymous

    If the RIAA gets too big for their britches, we’ll just knock them off our internets. We are legion.

  • Jon

    I agree with the sentiment in this article but I don’t think your argument stacks up to a site called The Pirate Bay with a logo that has a picture of a tape with crossbones underneath.

    It is pretty clear that PB was designed for illegal purposes (and it is therefore right to attempt to shut it down), but it is wrong for the RIAA to tar all file-sharing sites with the same brush.

  • Reasoned Mind

    @ Al, 148 “This IS a freedom of speech and association issue at it’s core.”

    It’s actually not, Al. We are free to say what we wish and associate with whom we please on the internet, within the law. We still can’t yell FIRE within a crowded theatre, we can’t hack or deface and we can’t share kid pron because reasonable people agree those activities are unreasonable and the law reflects that. Feel free to say and associate however you want. Do it legally and we have no problem at all.

    This is a legal issue now, Al, not free speech nor association, and online illegal behavior has finally framed it that way. Flaunt government rules and even uncorrupt governments always push back. If you are going to advocate illegal behavior (online or off) you’d best get used to that.

  • Vote pirate party

    If I lived in Sweden I would certainly do my utmost to canvas for the Pirate Party, seems to me that the only language corrupt politicians, judges understand is people power, so vote the fvckers out of their fat paychecks and comfort zones Sweden, set an example, fire the first shot across the bows of corrupt EU politicians in true pirate style.

  • Emmanuel Goldstein

    @ AJ

    “I think it’s funnier to see all the poor bastards in here trying to justify their theft do to the fact that their job at McDonalds doesn’t pay enough for them to buy music legally.”

    The word is “due” not “do”. See what I have done there!

  • Emmanuel Goldstein

    I think many of the posters who are arguing against Jens article are completely missing the point of this article. The article is about Net Neutrality not about file sharing.

    Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be in control of what content they view and what applications they use on the Internet. The Internet has operated according to this neutrality principle since its earliest days. Indeed, it is this neutrality that has allowed many companies to launch, grow, and innovate.

    Fundamentally, net neutrality is about equal access to the Internet. The broadband carriers, RIAA and MPAA should not be permitted to use their market power to discriminate against what is permissible. Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, no one should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online.

  • Chrispy

    The outcome of the Spectrial was a forgone conclusion. Your analogy of the wheel is nice, but the fact is…EVERYONE knows what the Pirate Bay was for…and the claims of the Proprietors of the Pirate Bay that they are not responsible is ludicrous. How could they not know they were the single largest purveyor of Pirated media on the internet when everyone over third grade in the developed world knows it! You analogy is similar to the defense used by Assault Rifle manufacturers in the U.S…the transport does not cause the crime…the criminals do…but in this case the transport mechanism is specifically geared and used for illegal activity, which is what the courts determined, rightfully so. The honest defense would be to say, we created the material digitally, your material still exists. We have not changed or altered your material, only offered a competing product free of charge. If you want to compete in the market, make your product worth paying for…LONG LIVE THE PIRATE BAY!

  • Chrispy

    I agree with Emmanuel Goldstein’s comment…however, the article does strictly refer to the Spectrial, hence why users are responding as I have above.

    I agree in Net neutrality, and agree that no single corporate entity or group should be allowed to control access…but I am realistic in my aspirations, that if the “Internet as we know it” were to come crashing down around our ears…within a week a better more robust method of idea transmission would arise from the ashes….I remember the cries of Foul when Napster was killed and when VHS was introduced, and CD’s and DVD’s…this is just another step in the evolution of our digital culture…

  • ^Buffalo

    We will not allow this to happen. Cyberwar? Bring it on!

  • Porate Bay not the biggest Pirates

    China, Russia, Middle East, India, Pakistan, Thailand, Burma, South America are the biggest pirates on this planet, why go for Pirate bay ?, because the have a residential address and live in a law abiding country, i.e. easy target, I want to see the RIAA/MPAA fvkers go for China, India, Thailand, heck you will be approached in ANY shopping mall in Thailand for anything that can be placed on a CD, A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G
    Fairs fair motherfvkers, go on you RIAA/MPAA cowards lets see you enforce your business model in those shinning bastians of copyright protection. I dare you mafo’s.

  • joe

    Why doesn’t someone try and get Tim Berners Lee onboard.
    He’s against DRM and for net neutrality, among other things. Surely he’d be a good person to have as an ally.

  • Revolution

    It’s gonna be really interesting to see how this is gonna evolve. Are we gonna change the power of guys sitting in their chairs while hitting the age over 50-60? Got no idea what they are talking about?

    There’s tons of hackers out there, security isn’t the issue. This is like taking the battle David vs Goliat where RIAA is the Goliat.
    Hacker’s do what they do best, crackers do their job etc. People should start working for a better law agianst and for pirates.

    Yet to be judge the pirates. People will always be power hungry, once they taste the bite, it’s all over. The next few years will be critical for the communities & pirates. To be judged or not to be judged. May i share this cookie with you? NO it’s COPYRIGHTED. May i borrow you pen? Sorry can’t it’s copyrighted. Screw the copyright for movies & games, the protection for games is just making the game look worse. I think most of the gamers will agree me on that one, and the movies you can buy LEGALLY on internet is a JOKE. There’s even protection on the movie.

    Vive La Rèvolution

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    Sorry about the typos :)

  • Anonymous

    Why is all this happening?

    One word.
    GREED.

    The RIAA and MPAA are raping us with their outrageous prices. No wonder we pirate stuff. They want us to pay enormous amount of money for shitty products, which is why I tend to download stuff more and more these days. But if I really like the artist/movie I WILL buy the product, even though I’m a student.

    P.S:

    When I went to theater to see the new DBZ (Dragonball Z) movie, I felt cheated. The MPAA stole my $15. Fuck you asshole for ruining such a good anime series, my time, and my money.

  • Emmanuel Goldstein

    I downloaded a torrent the other day from The Bruce Lee band. A ska band from California that I’ve never heard of. However I recognised the singer as Asian Mike from Skankin’ Pickle. I’ve purchased all of Skakin’ Pickles’ albums from legitimate sources previously. After hearing The Bruce Lee band I found the nearest outlet I could and purchased the two CD’s they have released.

    After purchasing the CD’s I went to their label’s Website and found a few other bands to listen to. Where once again I found the torrent online and then purchased it as I liked the other bands also. Now without torrenting I would have never of found these bands and therefore wouldn’t have purchased their CD’s. Not all of us are here to get something for nothing. Many pirates are the biggest purchasers of music. I am more then happy to pay for something that I find worth listening to. It’s time for the music companies to adapt to the technology or for the artists to release their own content effectively cutting out the middle man and the hands of the greedy labels.

  • Short version

    Maybe the best way to deal with this is like ants.

    Ants don’t have a central power to tell them what to do still they’re organized and can achieve impressive deeds only based in simple imperatives.

    What mortals can do?

    Just don’t buy anything from these people anymore. How anyone will do it, will be up to the individual but the order is “Don’t give em money!”.

    Stop buying and start looking for alternatives or stop buying and continue to do what you been doing on pirate bay(civil disobedience is a good thing in this case) LoL

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t it be easier just to start tracking down these idiots, find where they live and start killing their families.

    im sure any MPAA buttfag will give up everything as soon as we start killing off his/her fellow co-workers.

    A world where countries populaces and its economies working off the internet would be a better place with these retarded buried 6 feet under.

    Sometimes extreme violence is the answer.

  • Thailand pirates paradise

    I was in Thailand on holiday recently, and was totally gob-smacked at the blatant pirating that is rife throughout the country, I was actually approached by “vendors” each time I entered a shopping mall enquiring if I wanted copies of any software, music, or video, for a few dollars only, it was tempting but not worth it as I know customs target those destinations upon return with a vengance, my point, pirating/copyright infringement is rife in Asia, what does the RIAA/MPAA do about it..didly squat, its time to move to Asia to get value for money and internet without restrictions.

  • Short Version

    Why we have to pay again and again for services that allready been done and paid for?

    How much time is enough to pay for services?
    Would you pay royalties for the cleaner after 70 years of his death?

    Why a group of people is so important that they have special treatment in a world that says everyone should be igual?

    How this people are able to pass laws that strip other peoples off their rights as individuals?
    Would they let me verify every account they have and with no courts I a private citizen can decide if they are guilt or not?

  • CasualT

    @Thailand pirates paradise

    I found the same thing when I went to Fiji but probably to a much lesser extent. Anyway, you go to a DVD store, pick any, they all do it and you don’t rent or buy real copies. You buy and rent DVD’s they’ve burnt themselves.

  • Think about it

    Why would anybody buy a disc for $50 bucks when you can rent it for $1 dollar worth and copy it to your hard drive?

    (windows vista cannot do this)

  • Anonymous

    Interesting article.

  • Anonymous

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “And the rest started to steal”

    Whoops, except that filesharing isn’t stealing. How many times are you planning to repeat that lie? As many times as the MAFIAA pays you to, I suppose. I hope they don’t stop too soon. I find it quite amusing to by lectured on morality by a liar.

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “pirates trampled all over the rights of others”

    Yawn.

    Don’t you ever get tired of living in a backwards fantasy world where up is down, the Earth is flat, and victims are to blame for being abused?

    Really, child. You must need a lot of alcohol to get through the day.

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “Kudos to the posters here who acknowledge the truth”

    Don’t give kudos to yourself. It’s really tasteless.

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “You are selfish, you are disrespectful, you are childish whining, shallow thinkers with greedy entitled appetites and anarchistic attitudes”

    ROFL. Your basement-warrior rage is hilarious. Were you shaking while you typed that? I can just picture your emaciated little fists hitting the keyboard with SCRAWNY DORK FURY.

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “I do not work in these industries”

    Yes, you do. You’ve done a more thorough job of proving that then anybody else possibly could have.

    @Reasoned Mind/NubCakes/Micheal/freetard
    “YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE THIS”

    Going to?

    You’re so out of touch I feel embarassed for you. We won this a long time ago. It was Game Over for the content industry Cosa Nostra the moment that Napster made the public realise they had a way to fight back against these recording industry thieves who had looted them, and looted the artists, for decades. The final nail was hammered. The coffin was buried six feet under.

    The industry is best described as a corpse that keeps moving because it’s too stupid to know it’s dead.

    Poor bastard. You’re like one of those Japanese soldiers who didn’t get the memo that World War II had ended and spent the next 60 years hiding out in a cave, faithfully polishing his rusty equipment and mending his tattered uniform in anticipation of the day that that Hirohito would finally crush the Allies.

    @Crack eroded my brain
    “There are consequences for your illegal activities.”

    HADOPI is a joke, IPRED has been rejected by Sweden’s largest ISPs, and the few 3 strikes laws that actually do manage to pass legislation crumble shortly afterwards. Yes, there are consequences for our illegal activities, you adorable little crack addict. But we have a better chance of winning the lottery than ever facing them. Especially after more countries go the way of Spain and Canada and legalize our activities. Sweden, I’m looking at you.

  • Anonymous

    @Chrispy
    “The outcome of the Spectrial was a forgone conclusion.”

    No shit. The judge was in bed with the prosecution.

    @Chrispy
    “How could they not know they were the single largest purveyor of Pirated media on the internet”

    The single largest purveyor of pirated media on the internet is Google. And by the way, only 20% of the content The Pirate Bay indexes links to copyrighted material. Got a problem with that statistic? Then prove it wrong. Come on, be my guest.

  • Yo

    What you can do is simple – jump on i2p or some other such network.
    I would not worry about it. All these IPFI idiots are doing is forcing a creation of the next generation of sharing technology where it is MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to identify who is who.

  • dude

    WE’LL BE ALL SLAVES TO THE RIAA! TORRENTFREAK! HELP US!

  • PURE UNADULTERED FUD

    AS IF THE RIAA COULD TAKE OVER THE INTERNET.

    LMFAO. Has TF been bought out by the RIAA or something? WTF is this rampant scare-mongering and sensationalist bs?

    As if the internet could be controlled WORLDWIDE by a single industry.

    As if the RIAA could side-step every law in every nation, simultaneously fooling ALL the politicians, ALL the people, ALL the human rights activists, ALL the net neutrality activists etc. etc. etc.

    Sleep well tonight fellow file-sharers and do not fret. You live in reality. You do not live in a movie or book story. YOU ARE SAFE.

  • Anonymous

    When the enemy advances taking territory, resistance and asymmetrical warfare ensues. Until the enemy, not belonging there, gets tired and is forced to leave.

    The RIAA, MPAA and many US corporations are the enemy, advancing when imposing their absurds laws to the rest of the world. Resistance are us, grassroots movements, political parties, p2p technology developers and site maintainers.

    In asymmetrical warfare there are many weapons to fight. TPB tried using the law of their country, while the enemy buys politicians to change the laws there and judges to favor them. In France, legislation was stopped at the last minute but is threating to resume, so the people must now take the streets (1 May) to defend. Other countries have already fallen, and resistance is undercover, but relentless.

    Anonymous p2p was designed for oppressed countries without civil liberties, such as USA, UK and elsewhere where corporations rule and consumer (slaves) obey. Some of these are: GNUnet, Freenet, I2P, Perfect Dark, etc. These tools are important while the political pressure builds. The idea of Pirate Parties changing legislation is sound and will take time, in the meantime the direct action branch is unstoppable anonymous p2p and relentless public bashing of the enemy in sites like this.

    The enemy are not artists, but the huge (usually American) corporations who enslave both artists and public providing something nobody wants or needs anymore and refusing to go away using all of their corrupt power to keep control.

    The “middleman” large labels who own traditional media distribution channels are no longer needed, and they obstruct and sabotage the technologies that have made them obsolete.

    We don’t need their discs, artists can produce and reproduce their own discs, or hire the services of a pressing plant without third-party draconian contracts involved. They don’t need commercial label sponsored (or owned) radio or tv for promoting, the internet is stronger now. Artists can go touring promoting on the net alone and selling their own produced discs and shirts in events.

    The labels are an insignificant minority going against the wishes of everyone else. We want the content to flow freely, and they have no rights to mess when its done non-profit, even promoting them for free indirectly.

    Why must the majority knee down to the interest of a minority? Its Slavery all over again, only today is the fight to emancipate culture.

    Stand up against US corporate imperialism, fight those slavers: RESIST!

  • dude above me rulez

    so right. what is up with the doomsday article here? lol and you fools eat it all up.

  • Anonymous
  • wykop

    WYKOP KURWA POZDRAWIA!!!

  • anon2

    #178. problem is, governments want this to happen. as soon as an industry is in control, not individuals, then governments can start collecting taxes, which they are not doing at the moment. when files are shared, whether it is between friends or between nations, no tax is paid on those files. instead of governments being condemed and risking losing their next election, they are letting the various anti industries do the dirty work but also take the blame. in return, new laws are being implemented world-wide without any challenges.

  • Frank

    I think never befor was torrentfreak so damm right….

  • to #182

    That’s another angle to this whole thing, imagine if a tax had to paid for every file transferred what a way to create an income for governments, File Taxes, brilliant, is that next..?.

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  • Ricardo

    Lets start some trial against Genaral Motors and others when Bank robbers uses a GM car to scape. They are facilitating robbery, as well as the government who own the roads used to scape.
    Its the same thing they are doing threatening the ISPs.

  • Thepapercliphelp

    RIAA SUCKS

    Here at the papercliphelp, we stay with torrent freak and can answer most any questions about anything! Especially torrenting and pirate bay material. This is sorta like a KGB service but FREE!! Ask any questions! FREE! If this takes off we will have an iPhone app in the future!!!

    The address is thepapercliphelp@gmail.com

  • Jigsy

    This’ll mean fewer starving musicians.

    I think we can all sleep soundly when this proposal goes through.

    /sarcasm

  • Anonymous Fish

    RIAA, MPAA, IFPI, antipiratbyan and their various sister and sub organizations are now recognised as illegimate terrorist/mafia organization that MUST be erradicated.

    First off if you know any arists personally tell them that those organizations are not their friend and dont give a shit about their (the artists) rights, they are only in this for the money.

    Secondly post the policy that those organizations or agents there of are tresspassers if they enter your property for any purpose and can be retroactivly fined for it.

    Thirdly put an constant pressure on politicans (well they claim to be your representatives, no?) to outlaw these organizations and undo all their paid for “laws”.

    Forthly state that any copyrightable work that one of these organization claim to be of their alleged clients to be in the public domain.

  • Jens Roland

    @139 Fabrice Epelboin

    Absolutely, go ahead and republish.

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  • Jens Roland

    @158 Chrispy: Good point. Yes, TPB use ‘pirate’ rhetoric and branding (the pirate ship logo, the skull and crossbones, the name, etc.), but branding for shock effect and mockery shouldn’t have any bearing on legality.

    If the site were solely used for illegal purposes, then your point is valid, sure. But the fact is, the prosecution tried but was unable to prove that TPB is mainly used for illegal content.

    The only (!) argument IMO that holds up against TPB is that they have refused to assist the rights holders in curbing the flow of copyrighted material on their network, but TPB could argue that there is no reasonable technical way to do this without crippling the service for everyone.

  • UltraleetJ

    “Copyright law exists for a reason, to protect the artists who create from the people that would steal their work.” oy, it needs change, quick! We’re downloading and transmitting copies thorugh a digital medium, and the copyright law is not at all specific on that issue. I distribute my muisc for free most of the time. If we record a cd (with my own equipment) i just HAND IT OUT to people. i encourage them to make copies of it and to show others. If it were not for this then I don’t thinkn music would be so rewarding at this moment. I am playing in 3 places (and have had to turn down 2 for the past week) and am also performing at the days where markettting is big (mothers day, holidays like Christmas and eastern, ETC). Also I am playing on private parties and company meetings. How did i get there? thanks to cheaper ways of publicity. If you record something trying to garner a billion extra sales is out of fassion at present. Things have changed. get over it. if you are liked in places it means that you know what you’re doing. Making that cd with all that work in (arranging, sound compositions, creativity and versatility) has paid off, otherwise these refferrals would not be so handy. Plus, i don’t care if distributing my OWN music for free is legal or not–its helping me. But some people on here are SLOW. i have said plenty of times before this conflict has nothing to do with piracy and what the industry is doing is quite unintelligent, and that has been echoing after i had posted it and even before. Coincidense?

  • 123456788908743

    RIAA is the ENEMY. The ENEMY should be DESTROYED.

  • Control of the net

    Yes, now that printed news companies are going bust, it’s on every front page, oh wait that doesn’t exist anymore, it’s all moving online, now imagine the control of propaganda that can be exorcised by respective governments if isp’s are forced to monitor internet content, Italy already has a news mogul, that twat Berlushhhh, infact copyright law was invented in that part of the world by fascist scumbags way back in 19xx, now what if the RIAA/MPAA is doing the dirty work for these government scumbags, it’s a win win situation for the government scumbags, bad publicity no blame, it works all is well… media control like in China.

  • Urden

    This was the coolest, and most to-the-point TF manifesto I’ve yet read.

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  • Caco_Patane

    One possible solution, in the hands of the users, can be the use of descentralized, encripted and censorship resistant P2P software like The Freenet Project.

  • Billdozer

    Look I’ll be honest I am a music thief. I use file sharing to steal music, but only because I was sick of getting ripped off. When CD’s first made their mainstream appearance They were $15 to $20 each. This is understandable seeing that it was new technology. But the reason I choose to steal isn’t just because it’s free. It’s because I can go and buy blank CD’s for $0.24 a piece. Now why would I go and purchase a CD for $17.99 when I know that $16.99 goes to feeding the music industry?
    If you ask me the music industry brought this upon themselves. Not to mention these artists do just fine with all the concerts and sponsorships. As far as I’m concerned all those artists and record companies can go fuck themselves for being greedy. We will always find ways to get around greedy assholes that just want to take until no one can give anymore.
    Same thing goes with movies. We pay people more to entertain us than we pay the people who save our lives and the government expects me to feel sorry for some asshole actor who makes more in one year than I will in my whole life? I think not.
    As far as I am concerned I think everyone should download things. After all that is really the only way that we can win on this debate. Lets face it they can’t charge everyone, someone has to pay the presidents salary.

  • Revolution

    The revolution is near. I can smell it.

  • xyz

    youre right indeed… but how can individual persons take action against that hydra of a corporation? oh wait, actually its three corporations (mpaa, riaa, ifpi)

  • Patrick

    In no way a fan of the RIAA or MPAA for that matter, but point 2 and 3 need some clarification. Otherwise it just sounds like hyperbole.

    “2. Outlaw personal encryption and anonymization services
    3. Set up a global, privately-run Internet surveillance program to spy on everybody all the time without a warrant — run by ISPs and paid for by the taxpayers”

  • UraPhake

    @17 “Reasoned Mind”

    Wow! An entire Wall o’ Text without even touching on the fact that, “most people simply don’t understand what file sharing is…….”

    You simply said, “Wrong” and then went off on a tangent about the exchange of copyrighted material rather than answering the initial and correct assessment that most people really do NOT understand what file sharing technology is about.

    All you want to focus upon is your narrow and biased RIAA interpretation of what file sharing is all about — they want to throw the baby out with the bath water — ignoring the fact that a technology has nothing to do with any alleged crime.

    A hit-and-run accident is not the fault of the automobile manufacturer or the road upon which it is traveling — it’s the driver you moron!

    The entire thrust of this TorrentFreak article is the fact that the RIAA and their congenital-defect cousins the IFPI want to be self-appointed “technology administrators.”

    Their desires are similar to what would happen to a nation’s highway system if the makers of bicycles were allowed to determine and regulate what constitutes “acceptable use” in their minds.

    Just as there are “bike lanes” and zones provided for them, they still do not supersede the overall usage of the highway belonging to automobiles. The RIAA’s industry model has some “zones” they are only just beginning to utilize, but not effectively (Apple had to drag them into it kicking and screaming). Once there, they still didn’t “get it.”

    The fact that they want to force ISPs into being their ersatz nannies and puppets through the outright purchase of politicians to pass laws giving them this power just proves that they don’t know anything except the past — which is why everyone refers to them as “dinosuars.”

    The highway that they are building for themselves leads to no other place than extinction and they are paving it with glee it seems.

    They seem happy to be committing suicide and I, for one, am glad to see them do it.

    Future generations will look upon the RIAA much as people today look at photographs of some long-dead dictator hanging at the end of a rope by the neck.

    This is their future — everyone except you and the RIAA seem to see it coming.

  • Sean R

    This article is crazy true… It’s ridiculous that my ISP tracks me! Total evasion of privacy!

  • rufustg

    Not gonna happen…few of THEM and many of US…bring it on…viva la revolution.

    P.S. firefox rules…IE sucks!!! :o)

  • javier

    hello! I don`t know this page, could we can help me?

  • freetard

    “Total evasion of privacy!”
    ———————–

    lol

  • SpicyCurry

    I published a document on new cryptographic techniques that can create ‘fire proof’ network security. I did it specifically to address the Pirate Bay trial and its possible consequences.

    Download it here: http://www.mininova.org/get/2533838

  • missingOINk

    i shed no tears for the music or movie industry. They have ripped off the consumer for so many years and we are just taking back.

  • Anony

    @204 SpicyCurry nice job ripping off Wikipedia.

  • SpicyCurry

    Dude, I referenced and cited my sources in the paper itself. The point is that this is worth a second look, is all.

    And anyway, you’re going to give me crap about copyright on this board? Really? *wipes away tear of laughter*

  • alex

    is this happens i will never touch the internet or pay for internet again…

    dont get me wrong i love the internet and file sharing.but it sounds to me like we are LOSING this fight…theres just too many crooked judges and misinformed people in the world…

    what… do we do now?

  • LoL

    Evolve perhaps?

  • Betty Boop

    @33 –

    “Thank you very much all you goons that sent my little record label into bankruptcy. We invested $250K into our recordings, and more than 600,000 copies were distributed in one month on the Pirate Bay. We sold less than $50K worth of real product.”

    Who are you and what was your record label? Was your company private or was it publicly traded, i.e. can we see the books, can we see what your product was, and can we see what kind of marketing you did? Why on earth did you spend $250K on recordings when recording costs have plummeted to rock bottom in the past decade? And 600,000 or 600 million, 98% of them spent their disposable incomes on other industries’ products already, so that money never going to be yours anyway. Every download is not a lost sale; you & your cronies said so yourselves right here. Sounds to me like you would’ve mismanaged the money anyway. Even if you did everything right with your marketing and your artists are filling stadiums, you somehow managed to project 6 to 10 times the amount of sales you could realistically generate in this market & economic climate. And you think you deserve to stay in business? Bwahahaha! I’ve got friends who run labels. They are not rich but they are still in business and aren’t blowing 5X their income on recording costs, I’ll tell you that much.

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  • Asgath

    I suppose its our own fault really.
    We shouldn’t be sharing files that we don’t have any right too. We’re all breaking the law.

    Of course, the bigwigs have panicked and generally gone overboard. The whole suing and charging £20,000 per song or whatever is just downright foolish. That isn’t going to help your cause, just makes everyone hate you.

    The bottom line is that we ‘downloaders’ or sharers are in the wrong and ARE killing the music industry, PC gaming industry etc. Its a shame, I do ever so like free stuff.

  • renegade

    Try it RIAA….hehhehehe…u guys are a joke…im gonna be laughing all the way to 10000000 TB of content DISTRIBUTED

  • Think about it

    @99 Apr 30, 2009 at 05:41 by Michael

    The problem is the article is about the RIAA trying to take away filesharing for LEGAL purposes as well. Stealing tax payers money to do it. Learn to read.

  • The_Punkinator

    The purpose of the SpecTrial was to take away our liberties. These organisations work for the NWO and are bringing in a police state.

    This is not new news it has been happening for a long time and the SpecTrial is there to speed it up.

  • SplishSplash

    E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E. should read this!!

  • sam

    I sincerely hope that the RIAA fail to induce more nations to introduce more ill-advised, naive and technically uninformed policy.

    Look at the language used like “anti-file sharing”. One would argue file sharing is rather ambiguous and at what degree does this become the “transfer of copyrighted material without creators consent”.

    We also see that their stance is “banning peer to peer”… what so there will be a ban on a theoretical network topology? Using a previous analogy lets ban the wheel because it is used to build devices which can run over people!

    At the moment there is a focus on WWW applications specifically torrent indexing sites. In the past we have seen other internet applications targeted. Its conceivable that if there is a crack down on torrent indexing sites that torrent indexing will move to another internet application or work in conjunction with another protocol/service which allows for indexing of torrents. Back to IRC for torrent downloads anyone? Or perhaps they could target google because they provide just as much capability to share torrent files / files as TPB or anyone else.

    Are RIAA/MPAA going to demand full deep packet inspection of all internet traffic beyond their already ridiculous moves to monitor torrent indexing websites?
    Ok could we use the money this would take to be implemented globally on something useful… like curing disease or something, equally vague as it is ambitious.

    This notion of internet censorship has disastrous consequences as it will piggyback well with policy drafted by government eg: Australian governments plan for internet censorship which would probably break the internet in Australia. (slow it to the point where applications dont run properly for business or individuals everyday purposes).

    Great! so who do citizens decide to sue for incompetence first… their government or RIAA,MPAA when we loose our privacy and the internet?

    And it wont stop what they call ‘file sharing’ anyway. eg: Just look how easy it is to get around china’s internet censorship.

  • t1

    waste of time it’ll never happen as no one has the power to do most of the things they want. If they try, they will fail it’s a forgone conclusion. The things they want breach too many international and local laws and they would face more fines than the industry could afford to pay.
    Besides the fact most internet users with “certain knowledge” would destroy anything they set up regarding software created to snoop etc.
    Are the RIAA really that dumb that they think they have the power to over rule goverments and ignore laws laid down.
    These comments made by the RIAA regarding their strategies are one of the most riddiculous things I’ve heard for a long time. I’ve more chance of becoming KING OF THE WORLD than they have of carrying any of these stratergies out.

  • andyAnt

    @ 158 – surely using that prerogative then a search engine like google must be the howitzer of design for malicious intent.

    Using their index everything approach would be great for even such groups as organised crime, hackers, evil santa etc etc. Why who else would a search engine index unsecured live web-cam feeds. Server configuration files and countless other web site objects when the only conceivable group who would use this is are people looking to snoop around. Every trained web savvy person knows this.

    REASON: the search engine is an indexing service, so is TPB, plenty of stuff on there which is perfectly legal. Its how the user uses the service, the distinction here and where your analogy fails is that unlike an AK-47 which is designed for malicious intent it is not designed by the user. Where as with dynamic web content indexed by TPD designed cumulatively by the users by means of uploading torrent files specifically what that torrent file seeds.

  • ossumguywill

    This is exactly what hackers are for. Plus, If the internet gets taken over, the people will make a new one. GO SECOND AMENDMENT!!!!

  • johnyy

    The time has come. We must take back control of OUR internet.

    http://www.tech3d.net

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  • Anony

    @SpicyCurry I wasn’t giving you crap about copyright, especially since Wikipedia has a fairly permissive license. I was just saying there wasn’t much original information in that article. Most of it was sections copied from Wikipedia and the source in Notes section. You could have posted a link to the Wikipedia article.

  • Swampy

    The RIAA has gone too far, THIS MEANS WAR!!!

  • Reasoned Mind Is A Twat

    And needs to get laid. Artists have been getting ripped off far longer than labels claim pirates have done to them. The labels started it and Hollywood created the concept of blaming someone else long before that (remember video taping was going to kill the movie industry? cassettes would kill the music industry? utter crap) and now that they’ve managed to acquire enough money they’ll BUY their way into power… A line from Star Wars: “The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”

  • Anonymous

    Rosa Parks was a communist cunt, you stupid douchebag.

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  • PetFoodz.info

    The apparent strategy:

    1. Outlaw file sharing
    2. Outlaw personal encryption and anonymization services
    3. Set up a global, privately-run Internet surveillance program to spy on everybody all the time without a warrant — run by ISPs and paid for by the taxpayers
    4. And finally, get the authority to block anyone from the Internet entirely, without the involvement of police, courts or any verifiable trail of evidence

    —–

    Jan would you care to explain how the RIAA\MPAA are attempting to outlaw encryption\ anonymous services? Did you pull that out of your arse? For all the articles I’ve read over time on TorrentFreak I have not once seen the RIAA\MPAA attempt to bring those services into the picture.. Am I missing something? Probably not … This is one of the first Torrentfreak articles im going to say isn’t vetted properly.. It is a puff piece for the author.. Although I agree with 1,3 and 4, by including 2 you have tarnished the validity of the post.. Did anybody research point #2? I see other users are confused aswell..

    Bad Enigmax!

  • PetFoodz.info

    @218… RIAA/MPAA going to demand full deep packet inspection of all internet traffic beyond their already ridiculous moves to monitor torrent indexing websites?

    Come to Canada.. DPI is full blast with Sandvine boxes.. When they detect Bit Torrent or p2p traffic in general you go real slow.. As for the RIAA(CRIA)\MPAA asking for Canadians info.. We have been there before and they lost.. This was YEARS ago though.. They will try again soon egnough.. Probably this year..

  • SteveO

    “Using file sharing for illegal purposes is illegal.”–
    Really? I dont need no internet cop tellling me what i can and cannot download. I pay for the internet. Oh and by the damn way..WE are the internet!!I contribute information just like 100000000000000 other people do. WE ARE the internet!! NOt the government, state, or any official. WE CREATE AND DESIGN OUR internet. without us , the individual, the internet would be 1/10000000000th. the size it is. Then none of these officials would want ANYTHING, do with the internet. But NOW that they can charge and control it they show interest. Its all BS. the internet is supposed to be BY the users FOR the users. we can POLICE ourselves.

  • JTK

    The Pirate Party will put a end to this bullshit!

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  • StijnS

    Well, if they can attack the pirate bay because people use it in an illegal way, next time I get hit by a car (on my bike) I will sue the people who made the road, the car, the signposts towards where the accident happened, the people who invented the orad, the car and all of the components needed to hit me with that car. It’s basically the same as they’re doing to the internet

  • Billy Boo Bob

    <>

    599,000 of those downloads were by those of us who were never going to actually “SPEND MONEY” on this stuff. If the crap you were peddling was any good you’d still be able to sell plenty of CDs at Wal-Mart and run a lot of paid downloads through iTunes regardless of the P2P download rate.

  • Puzzlerf

    I have to say I’m really disappointed in the world today. Especially in my fellow Americans, particularly the elders.

    The state of the USA today is in large part the fault of greed. The responsibility is not just that of the offenders but also those who sit around watching it happen without lifting a finger to help.

    The US economy, the music industry, the movie industry is not hurting because people “steal” its because we the people let the companies steal from us.

  • Anonymous

    I live in a country where 300 euros is what most people earn in a month ,now from that ammount you pay 200 in bills (electric ,gas ,water ,etc.) so you are left with 100 euros ,now a game on a pc is roughly around 70 euro here and sometimes 100 for new games “Crysis is about 120 euro” …so my question to you is ,what to do ? buy a game and starve for 1 month ? buy a music CD (30 euro and good luck finding the band you want ,cause there are little to no specialized music stores in here) ?
    It’s easy to compare all people of the world with you ,it’s easy to think evryone makes at least 2000 euro a month .
    If the companies compalin about piracy and not having money …hmm …well then i guess they would have to stop sponsoring bad movies ,movies like :Disaster Movie ,Date Movie(and those retarded “farts are funny” movies) ,stop making the 1000 edition of scary movie and for god sake stop with “i got muscles but no bran and i got a big hun” movies ,they are waste of film rolls .
    As for music ,how about more concerts ,how about some nice song previews .I love the idea that i can go to myspace and check out bands site and get a nice look at they’re sounds and if i like i can buy the cd .
    I guess that’s all i had to say ..my post doesen’t mean to offend anyone all i wanted to say is if you go on a business ,of any kind ,there’s bound to be some losses and we all take that risk ,that’s the way it was and that’s the way it will be
    ohh and one last thing if piracy is costly then how come Ubisoft made this year 1.5 billion euro’s ..i would say that’s alot

  • Anonymous

    33 “Thank you very much all you goons that sent my little record label into bankruptcy. We invested $250K into our recordings, and more than 600,000 copies were distributed in one month on the Pirate Bay. We sold less than $50K worth of real product.”
    What if you never knew about TPB?
    The problem is that as you do look for rapid number is easy, you can actually track each time a pirate copy has been done, what if that could had been done with cassete tapes or VHS? Would you blame Teac or Maxell?

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  • Neverhood

    Thank You Jens.

    A very well written article.

    You have partially restored my faith in the danish people :)

  • Zionism For Supremacy!

    I think this is an amazing idea! HAIL TO THE RIAA. Now you right-wing extremists will be dealt with.

  • Wolfie

    ALLIANCE FTW! thats what we need, and of course willpower to succeed with such a thing

  • Mr. Briggs

    I keep on hearing a message here: “We pirate it because it’s crap, it sucks, and it’s a rip-off.”

    That’s total bullshit.

    If you don’t like the content itself, just don’t have anything to do with it at all. The only time I can see when you can justify piracy is is you like the content itself, but if you don’t like the packaging it comes in, with all the DRM, shrink-wrap licensing, etc. it comes in.

    By pirating in that case, you’re sending the message that you like the content, but not the stuff it comes with. You can even pay the company for it if you want!

    So, instead, you should be saying, “I pirate stuff because I like it, but I don’t want to have to put up with DRM and shrink-wrap licenses.”

  • Mr. Briggs

    @ my previous post:

    Sorry, that should read “…justify piracy is if you like…”. Should be “if”, not “is”.

  • Mikaeal

    This is BS, I’m tired of RIAA pooping on everyone’s parade. – web design studio

  • Stammerer

    @240/241 – “The only time I can see when you can justify piracy is if you like the content itself, but if you don’t like the packaging it comes in, with all the DRM, shrink-wrap licensing, etc.”

    There are exceptions, but usually I’m unable to decide if I like the content itself unless I can fully experience it. So I’m not interested in reading self-serving hype or reviews from people I don’t trust, nor do I want some poor quality little clip of it served up on a site full of ads or on a site requiring special software and a handover of personal data to even access like iTunes. I want to hear/see the thing and decide whether to keep it or delete it or pay for or rent a better/physical copy ASAP, or whatever. Until the industry provides an affordable, anonymous way for me to do that without incurring liability for “piracy”, I’ll continue to take advantage of black market sources online.

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  • Bloodyscot

    This is a war nobody wins, stopping piracy completely is not going to happen but they can make it so hard to do that is stops most people. The large companies and goverments are taking over the internet, its only a matter of time until they force the ISPs to block any questionable packets or encrypted files. Some of the new software to check packets for copyrighted material is very good and getting better. Encryption is great until they start blocking it if they don’t have a key to read it. With the new terrorist laws it could happen sooner than you think. Some goverments will use this to stop any information they don’t like, the Nazist and Communist were good at this with radio and newsprint. The small and new artists are getting hurt the most so far but soon everyone will be impacted. Piracy is wrong(it does some good much like radio) but these new laws are worse and how bad are the laws coming if they have to keep them secret until they become law.

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  • zaphod4269

    The greedy corporate a$$holes are hopelessly outnumbered. every time i use my torrent client there are over 1,000,000 people using the system.
    1 million+ people is an unfuckwithable group!
    As long as people stand up for their rights, and don’t pussy out when the revolution comes, everything will be fine.

  • Manix

    @245

    if only we could find a way to unite… the way the politics game is now played it seems that only a small amount of the population actually has their voices heard politically, and that needs to change. people need to unite to bring forward a new political movement or these types of injustices will just continue forward.

  • Graham

    They’ll never learn. Prior to the internet the record industry struggled to combat people duplicating tapes and CDs for friends or on larger scales in markets etc.

    Attacking the internet and liberties therein won’t help their case, it’ll only sicken regular users who will then seek to find any way of getting back at them whether it be via peaceful boycotting or malicious hack attacks.

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