Someone is Leaking Our Torrents – BURN HIM!
Written by enigmax on February 08, 2009The entertainment industry is furious about its treatment at the hands of pirates. Last year, even the creator of iPhone cracking-app Crackulous got pretty annoyed when his work leaked. But it’s not just content creators that get angry at pirates – and this is where it starts to get a little confusing.
The following story revolves around a small private BitTorrent tracker, one that specializes in various sub-genres of urban music. There is no work of mainstream artists at all, so there aren’t really any copyright worries, particularly since many artists and people from labels are active members of the site. The site even has its own album in the making.
The tracker makes its own ’scene’-type releases too, often in advance of true scene groups and often at a better quality. Some members who have these to share choose to put them up as ‘Site-Only’, and issue an order not to leak outside of the tracker. But to the dismay of some members of the site these exclusive releases leak too. Absolutely everything. Damn pirates.
Within minutes of upload, these releases spread to many blog-type sites, in particular Russian ones. Not only was someone inconsiderately leaking an already-leaked release, but they also had the nerve to remove the tracker’s release ‘tags’ from its description, passing the work off as their own. There was a leaker in town – maybe more than one – who knows, but the “Site-Onlys” were tunneling out and the recriminations had begun.
A handful of upset releasers threatened to stop sharing their exclusive stuff, while becoming quite vocal about how much time, effort and in some case money they put into their position. Then, they say – despite all the pleas – people go ahead and leak the releases – and they don’t even pause to say “thanks”. Bastards.
It wouldn’t be difficult to imagine a similar situation in the ‘real Scene’, where angry release groups simultaneously cursed the evil individual who constantly leaked their releases to the tracker. “If only they could find him and ban him,” they would muse, it would cut off the music supply and rid the tracker of most of its releases. One could imagine a similar scene at a recording label as they ponder the route of their latest leak to Internet.
Back at the tracker the community began to panic. They were thinking of all the stuff they were going to miss out on when the releasers kept their candy to themselves. They were absolutely clear, the admin had to do something. One member said:
Someone is leaking our torrents, we lose our exclusives? Find him in the logs! BURN HIM!
An admin on the site involved told TorrentFreak that this happens often. “We could track the leaker but then what, ban him? He’s just sharing it with his own site but they[the site's releasers] want action.”
Lots of ’solutions’ were put forward. One group wanted a ‘private-sharing area’ from where (apparently) nothing could leak, since access to it would be limited and the section would be “invite only”. The whole site is a very limited membership already and is also “invite-only” and thrives on the work of “leakers”. Hmmm, interesting.
Some members puzzled over why people would want to “ruin the site” by leaking stuff outside and derided the Russian sites as pure evil, their uploaders thieves and demanded them traced and kicked from the site.
Others suggested a complicated tiered-membership system as a kind of proving ground for ultimate access to the “Site-Only” material. Others wanted a tracker-wide Russian IP ban, others wanted a paid-subscription area. Some opted that access to the “Site-Only” stuff should be based an algorithm calculated from ratio, forum posts, time on the site and other sundry stats.
Ultimately a handful of releasers wanted a guarantee from the admin that nothing would leak, something impossible to give.
While the very nature of things like BitTorrent means that people have to share files, it is interesting to see how some file-sharers can be as protective of the content they handle, as the people who created it. Their reasons are very different, but with all the talk of anger at leaks, of locking out an entire country’s citizens, proposals of denying access to all but those who could afford it and mounting a worldwide witch-hunt for leakers, there are some intriguing parallels.
“We caught the leaker,” the admin told us. “He’s one of our best releasers…”
Better put the burning on hold.
Previously: The Pirate Bay Demand Webcast of Trial
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128 Responses
Wow, this is messed up.
God, mass hysteria is always funny. for all the times we poke fun at the MAFIAA and their allies for being stupid, some pirates are pretty dumb too.
I have this problem as the admin of a torrent site that specializes in a specific sub-genre of video games. There’s some stuff that we absolutely REFUSE to let get out of the site because of its value and ability to be re-pirated for profit.
Videos go on YouTube, torrents go on Demonoid, mocking and disrespecting us for the things we do for them. “This is why we can’t have nice things,” I say. And then make another release blindly hoping it doesn’t happen again.
It always does though, it always does…
Can anyone think of a viable solution to this? I’d love to hear it.
Of course, exclusivity (of content) and any imagined superiority is against the spirit of free sharing.
@4: And all that disappears when people decide to take free sharing and start selling it for profit. Your utopian comments always manage to piss me off because you are so blind.
“There?s some stuff that we absolutely REFUSE to let get out of the site because of its value and ability to be re-pirated for profit.”
The fault with that is the people who re-pirate it for profit, not the people who leak it.
@5 anonymous
If people shared it freely, then nobody would bother pirating it for profit.
Put your releases on The Pirate Bay. Can’t leak anything from there. Because there’s nowhere to leak – it’s already as public as it could be.
IMHO, re-releasing other people’s torrents on other sites is OK as long as you keep original naming/tags/etc.
As for ones who remove these…Don’t know. I guess you can’t stop them.
“We caught the leaker,” the admin told us. “He’s one of our best releasers…”
I lol:ed. Always loves stories where the bad guy turns out to be a very highly respectable person in the local society. :-)
If you don’t want your content to be reposted, don’t put it up on the Internet in the first place.
Of course if you do that, you won’t be able to share anything ever.
Seriously, just listen to yourself – you are pissed off that someone copied THE COPY YOU MADE. That’s pathetic. What next, put DRM on your uploaded torrents so they cannot be copied anymore? That sounds all to familiar, don’t you thinkg?
Fucking hypocrites.
He’ll be their best releaser ‘coz he’s doing the same thing to any number of sites.
We had exclusives and many turned up on public trackers, we didn’t care, as long as hit’n'runners got banned everything was ok.
I’ve never understood why private torrent sites are like this. Torrents are about sharing, and having access to files.
What’s the point in trying to hide it on your own tracker? You can’t do it, so don’t bother. If people want to share the shit they download, they will.
wait. you’re bitching about ‘your’ releases getting pirated on sites that you don’t have control over.
The irony is palatable. You don’t even own the release in the first place, what precedence exactly do you claim to have over any other site? The release isn’t even your property.
You can’t complain. At least the MAFIAA has a legal excuse.
lol @5: “so blind” is a complete fallacy–blind means someone who lacks the ability to see–you can’t certainly “more than lack” the ability to see because there’s no more sight to lack–i suggest you choose your phrases more carefully. Indeed, making such kind of content exclussive already discriminates against people (wether leaking it is permisible or not). Just as these people had so many “reasons” for not letting their stuff be “leaked”, it would be more interesting (and maybe enlightening) to look at the other side of the story and find out the reasons given by the person responsible for the torrent leaking. Its not like the invitationts to the sites cost any money anyway.
I love the irony, the people that are stealing and leaking music files, games, movies, or what have you get upset when someone steals their stolen data.
@3 – the simple answer is… you can’t.
Even private trackers are a hack-job with the protocol, and don’t really work too well.
Here’s a little secret on how things will never leak: keep them to yourself.
These elitist asshats obviously do not understand what SHARING is about, screw ‘em.
Jeez. It’s like they don’t want to other people hearing these albums. I wish ultra-secret “exclusive content” trackers wouldn’t try so hard to create a class system between them and the rest of the world.
reminds me of when mashup/remixers get their work ’stolen’ – ie. recredited.
Annoying yes, but it’s hard to bitch much about since you haven’t cleared or owned the copyright anyway…just can hope karma gets the lazy idiot who things they can be king of the castle by retagging MP3 files…LOL.
smartass, blindness is measured in degrees and under a certain value you’re considered “blind”, even if there’s still some sight left.
LOL, the bittorrent scene is getting just like THE scene…
@6
“If people shared it freely, then nobody would bother pirating it for profit.”
There’s always going to be profit in piracy. In places where free piracy is not an option (streets of third world countries come to mind), someone is going to make money.
It’s sad to say but if they are sharing it, why can’t others share?
Sharing is caring, no?
It’s pretty stupid that they complain that there works are posted on other sites, while they are uploading them already.
Pirating is pirating, is pirating from another pirate any different than from the MAFIAA? Except the pride of a pirate maybe… They both get material from A to B to C etc and both as illegal.
Also when did we become just like Scenez and Warez groups…
It’s pretty ironic if you ask me.
Fuckwits, the lot of ‘em.
I totally understand why they are upset =) but it’s to be expected it would leak elsewhere. and i noticed how most of the comments thus far are ppl comparing the closed site to being just like every other sharing site. its all about sharing with ppl whom they think should be receiving it. when it comes down to it.. say one has a sandwhich (or something else that can broken down) most if not 99.9% of ppl would keep it to themselves [or share it in a small group] rather than split it with 100 people. sure a sandwhich can’t be duped but music is something they create which they only want atm a certain crowed to listen to. this isn’t the mainstream filesharing…
@11
Read the article again, they do own the releases, or at least some of them. “many artists and people from labels are active members of the site. The site even has its own album in the making.”
edit:: >_>
filesharing yall are used to and expect with digital media(w/e it may be) are directed towards a different crowd: public sites, ie… everyone. its all down to the releaser and their belief.
“I love the irony, the people that are stealing and leaking music files, games, movies, or what have you get upset when someone steals their stolen data.”
Except that filesharing revolves around copying data, hence, that “stolen” data isn’t stolen at all. The original owner of the file/game/movie or what have you still has it sitting right there in front of them. As good as new.
I feel kind of bad pointing that out, though, because it’s sooooo descriminatory against delusional people. :(
@6, 19
Why the fuck would you care if your ‘release’ is being sold for pennies on the streets of third world countries….
I am all for having private trackers (ratio rules = more seeders), but having a man hunt for someone leaking something you are leaking is ridiculous. Might as well just start banning each other.
“In places where free piracy is not an option (streets of third world countries come to mind)”
Perhaps it would be more of an option if there were more free piracy – especially it can be international.
The entire point of the torrent system is SHARING THE WEALTH. Now, the pirates are getting angry at pirates?
Ahh, the logic of these people.
@3 you win the idiot award of the month
if everyone can download it then how can you sell it for a profit
hrm me thinks what your really saying is
We follow what we are told by the secret true masters we are secretly working with aka hollywood osme fake sites and fake private sites do that.
anyone not releasing due to pirated value needs to get shot and pissed don and YES as the title says BURNED at a stake.
2nd point to make
someone pirates say a movie or set a tv eps.
Someone dls it ( there expense of course) and some ass has balls to get angry you would share it and thus get it OUT there to more people and this is cause sites have rules about sharing what one site makes as packs even though the actual releases weren’t ripped by them
its all about control and stupidity and sites in my opinion that do that are nothing more then trying to get greedy.
YES that means you
and if heres a releaser then can he not releae where the frak he wishes ,
no one tells me where to release anything ihave done.
if htey do that i would say jack your self a new hole in yur head , htis whole article proves one thing about soem sites, they mouth off before finding out the truth.
And when that “releaser moves on” who loses?
The solution is to allow free pirated trade and YOU must keep the tag of the pack form the site it came form. then you will see ALL sites contents go up and more value for what you pay for your internet.
Simple simon was a pie man…..
Everyone knows there are rules in life. All it takes is for someone to read the nfo regarding about not sharing outside of the tracker and thats it. If that person can’t follow the rules, they have betrayed. Simple as that. some people can follow the rules without any problems. Some people cant. And to those that can’t, piss off.
@29 once again you’re completely delusional, seriously wake up and smell the coffee.
There can be no better example than this story for the definition of “hypocrisy”.
This really cracks me up – however I guess in some cases they see it as a security breach to have people using there homemade files. For example you might share your holiday photos with close friends…but you don’t want your whole town to see them.
@Ethereal
the point is you tard that there is a infinate amount of the sandwich and so everybody can have as much as they want and no one looses out.
very nice post.
you greedy dicks. id do the exact same. id share with EVERYONE id leak it everywhere i could possibly find.
I’m gonna use this chance to call mma-tracker in the same class as these tards.
what a screwed up situation
reads as the types who are releasing exclusives and complaining about public leaks are recording industry dinosaurs toying with filesharing because they know it is the future but they dont understand giving to filesharing is sharing with the entire world. all of a sudden they dont want the mass exposure of their content? that dont make sense
the argument that leaks of exclusives encourage criminal piracy are equally ludicrous, they wish their content was so popular that it is worthwhile for a pirate to make a cd/dvd and sell it on a market … highly unlikely for a rarified underground hidden release. the best they can wish for is viral success on the filesharing networks but if they dont have the commercial mechanism in place to benefit from popularity then they are too vague to play. but hey you can blame the filesharers for taking it for free as the reason you never made any money, my little sister makes better excuses
it is deeply ironic and perverse when a filesharer complains that his files have been shared. i say “you are not a filesharer, fuk off”
lol @ #33
there’s another rule in life that says ‘don’t pirate movies’ but I guess you aren’t following that one either.
From what I can see, the people associated with the website in question just wants to feel special.
Either share your releases with the world or don’t.
When you give or sell a copy of something to someone there is no reasonable way to control what they do with that copy, including making another copy for anyone they please.
Maybe you want to be the only one who can provide the copy because that would make you feel special, but the simple truth is that you are not. Copying is easy. Learn to take credit for being the author, not the distributer, because in the age of the Internet that is nothing special.
It would be the same as running around telling jokes, but at the end telling people that they where not allowed to tell it to anyone else, because the joke was your ‘property’ and you where the only one allowed to tell it.
It just doesn’t make any sense.
Laughable whining from the “in-crowd” with an ironic twist. I love it! :)
This is just sad. When you pirate stuff you should have the mind set of “I think everyone will like this, here you go” not “Only these people can use this, if you aren’t a member, you aren’t cool enough”.
Private trackers are usually better only because people are encouraged to seed torrents, and you can therefore get a better speed, at the cost of having to seed your self. It shouldn’t be about what trackers get exclusive content, it should all be spread around as much as possible.
#3: “Can anyone think of a viable solution to this? I’d love to hear it.”
Ummm … DRM? It’s a shock that people who don’t respect the wishes of the content creators don’t respect the wishes of the leakers, either. Really. Quite shocking.
:rollseyes:
The majority of their user whining has more to do with “elitist” bull crap than trying to stop people from repirating it and selling the end result. The repirating excuse is a BS play at justifying being a group of douchebags. As a member of many such sites it’s one of the pain in the butt consequences of dealing with people who judge their self worth based on the rarity of the files they own or have access to. LAMMO! =P
THIS IS AN INTERNAL ______ RELEASE, DON’T UPLOAD IT ANYWHERE ELSE, WITHOUT MY EXPLICIT PERMISSION, THANKS!
this is what will destroy file sharing scene itself
If the only place this music ends up at is russian blogs. Then the music must blow chunks.
I have no problem with leaking, but give credit where credit is due. Even if its just a mention in the nfo file. Its not like sceners claim that they produced a movie, they just want to be credited for the rip, and for the risk and/or work they took to bring it to the public. I imagine the same is true of the releasers on this torrent site.
And this is why the “scene” as a generalised rule sucks the big one!
Boy I hate sites like that. Up until a couple weeks ago, I held a site at XtremeWrestlingTorrents.net, a wrestling tracker with a few “exclusive” releasers. And of course, one of them is the site admin. Awesome. Well, I got banned for sharing one of his “exclusive” (bad quality, but that’s neither here nor there) releases with another site, and got banned for it. Oh well, guess I’ll take my >5 ratio (1.5 terabytes up) elsewhere. Now I know why that place has open registration…
HAHAHAHAHAH~!~
@ 3
whats the site may i ask?
I think the point to reiterate here is that copying is not stealing and that no pirates lose out from more people obtaining a release. It costs so little to distribute a copy digitally, refusing to based on a class-system is irrational. Share and share alike, as perhaps that extremely rare demo tape will make someone else as happy as it did you.
Isn’t sharing supposed to be fun? I always thought so..
Ben Jones: “Even private trackers are a hack-job with the protocol, and don’t really work too well.”
What? What aspect doesn’t work well exactly because for some reason when I use private sites it’s usually exactly the same as public except it’s faster beacuse the SLR is really high.
comments on TF were once witty and critical. now theyre random and shaky like louise woodward
This makes me WANT to release some privately traded content to the public trackers =D. Lets make it a contest? Who’s on first? (Thirdbase!)
I think also he didn’t give credit. More or less like the GPL. Do whatever you want. Just give me credit god damnit!
private sites are a business you know. they make money through ads or subscription or “donations”. its bad for business if stuff on their site can be found elsewhere.
There is no honor among thieves.
a group that doesn’t share, deserves no pity.
a curse upon your pathetic ideals: may all your releases forever end up in the hands of the “unwashed”
@enigmax … interesting stuff.
Could you provide some examples of which private trackers do this? I haven’t seen any that have (like Demonoid or What?). Otherwise, I’m tempted to think you wrote an article for entertainment.
It is not very often that I read through the articles on TorrentFreak not to mention post a comment, but this one really made me smile at the last line.
Kudos to enigmax :)
whats the problem in sharing ? its nice to see your stuff floating around.
Very nice article, you got a good point.
hahaha piracy doesn’t pay. ANyone caought pirating hsould be hung for high crime and treason.
@56
Ha! So are musicians and film studios. If I couldn’t give a crap about their rights and income, I certainly couldn’t give one that you are losing money from your banner ads because I have distributed your pre-stolen material. Christ, you lot must all be 14.
TP have a good system on limiting exclusive releases… Although exclusives will always be leaked…
Trusted members first get access to exclusives, then a week later all members can download the release.
@27:
“Except that filesharing revolves around copying data, hence, that “stolen” data isn’t stolen at all. The original owner of the file/game/movie or what have you still has it sitting right there in front of them. As good as new.”
So if I create an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, Lamborghini should just accept that if they start loosing revenue? And when I say making an exact copy, I mean a copy that is 100% identical.
You might not destroying the original, but it still doesn’t change the fact that someone might lose money on it who do not deserve it.
The arguments pirates usually give are fallacies and flawed. Pirates usually give a reason why they might be doing it, but they never ever come with a good suggestion on how to solve this. You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.
I guess this is a serious case of quality-protection (public sites do transcodes and all that evil jazz) gone paranoid. People need to chill.
When I upload stuff I don’t give a crap that people download and listen to it, obviously, and I don’t care if it goes onto other sites, but it’s irritating when other people take credit for my releases. Taking the tags off the download is just so fucking rude.
One saying: “Honour Amongst Thieves”
And as for their leaker being their best releaser? That’s just HILARIOUS. Irony ftw.
“Not only was someone inconsiderately leaking an already-leaked release, but they also had the nerve to remove the tracker’s release ‘tags’ from its description, passing the work off as their own.”
What kind of an asshole you must be to do that ?
Sharing is Caring. To remove tags and not give any credits is lame.
“So if I create an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, Lamborghini should just accept that if they start loosing revenue? And when I say making an exact copy, I mean a copy that is 100% identical.”
Yes. You have bought the Lamborghini, so it is yours to do what you want (obviously without harming others, like driving it into their house).
hypocrisy!
Now that is hypocrisy
“So if I create an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, Lamborghini should just accept that if they start loosing revenue? And when I say making an exact copy, I mean a copy that is 100% identical.
You might not destroying the original, but it still doesn?t change the fact that someone might lose money on it who do not deserve it.”
Case-in-point: industrial revolution. It enabled easy replication of labor, to the detriment of artisans. Sure, plenty of Luddites tried to resist this by sabotaging machinery, but they lost.
“You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.”
If the industry cannot find a way to adapt themselves, then that is their problem. We the people do not have this imaginary obligation (that you have dreamt up) to support them and help them with a business model whether we like them or not, because we are not slaves or vassals to the entertainment industry.
@66
“So if I create an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, Lamborghini should just accept that if they start loosing revenue? And when I say making an exact copy, I mean a copy that is 100% identical.”
Yeah, I think you have to understand that as pirates, we believe copyright is destructive to creativity and that it should be abolished. A lot of us are also (libertarian) socialists! *gasp*
What a bunch of babys, shut the hell up nobody cares.. boohoo someone leaked your crap.. it happens retards, its like you guys just figured this out for the first time.
And frankly, i would do the same if I was in his position, because everyone deserves a share, not just you assholes.
i love how they waned to DoS a whole place cause there shit got out , fuck them retards
so, what’s the site in question?
Russians pwnz EVERYONE! HAHAHA!
“You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.”
I’m glad you asked. Here is a good business model for you that never fails:
1. get a job
2. work
3. work
4. work more
5. ???
6. PROFIT!!!
Now you can make the music you’d like to listen yourself and share it for free.
This is very simple: Did you created what you are sharing?
NO – Stop your bitchin’
YES – you’re getting free recognition. If your stuff is good, and you do it in a simple way, people will be willing to pay a reasonable amount of money for it.
End of Problem
Anonymous(3): If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Linus Torvalds didn’t get rich and famous by keeping Linux a secret.
“You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.”
If the creators ran their own trackers and ensured there were good download speeds and no dead torrents, it would become the preferred torrent site and that would be a lot of eyeballs. Eyeballs = revenue. They could even advertise their own related material (toys, games, books, etc.) and generate more revenue.
The whole point of the torrent scene is sharing….. for those that are so anal and dont want to do this – the eliteist bastards that they are.
Stop releasing then.
#9 posted this:
“If you don’t want your content to be reposted, don’t put it up on the Internet in the first place.
Of course if you do that, you won’t be able to share anything ever.
Seriously, just listen to yourself – you are pissed off that someone copied THE COPY YOU MADE. That’s pathetic. What next, put DRM on your uploaded torrents so they cannot be copied anymore? That sounds all to familiar, don’t you thinkg?
Fucking hypocrites.”
That right there owns anything anyone can say about this! So STFU
this mob sound like cops and lawyers, ok to do the so called crime but god forbid anyone else doing it, they sound like selfish greedy kids who are in it for profit, if it gets shared how do we profit.
Sounds like a shitstorm of assburgers. People taking their internet way too fucking seriously.
Besides. When has there evar been honor amoung theives?
Pirates are pirates are pirates.
Pirates complaining that other people are pirating their pirated stuff?
Lulz.
Sounds like the douchebags over at btmusic.
Their rules are that without the express permission of the uploader you are not “allowed” to upload the albums in any form, any where.
If people breaking that rule are found, and quite often are, they are banned instantly.
What a bunch of hypocritical noobs.
1st of all, if you want to run your own little scene you don’t use torrents.
If your so “cool” set up your own 100mbs box(s) in some undisclosed location, and run a logged file server, just like the “scene”.
If you want some kind of exclusive torrent site, right off the bat your a noob who dosent even understand how it all works.
And as we all know, even the most private, and protected files get leaked within seconds/minutes of rls. Of course if its anything worthwhile.
And like I, or anyone else gives a shit? If its actually anything of value (in terms of people actually wanting it), it’ll be on all the trackers and usenet anyways, no matter what.
So go right ahead, keep that garbage to yourself. Nobody wanted it anyways. Little emo fame seeker noobs.
Bet they sit around and talk about their worthless torrents on fish encrypted channels all day too, like its “important”… ROFL
PZ
I guess there is no honor amongst thieves.
Ha ha, fuck-wits :p
Someone in Russia makes money of your files. What exactly do YOU lose?
I’ve experienced this behavior first hand and it’s the height of ridiculousness.
Funny story though. I picked up a 70gb “exclusive” release to one of the small trackers I’m on off of mininova, turned it around to bank a TON of ratio…see releasing “exclusives” outside of the tracker certainly has benefits for the members -ca-ching-
Anyway, it’s arrogance and hypocrisy and dashed with an elitist sense of entitlement. We are the intelligent, caring community who will cherish this content and will support the artists (ROFL) cause we’re righteous…therefore we’re the only people deserving of it.
You’ve got to laugh at this little bubble of mob mentality growing within a greater community which values the sharing of information over all. It just goes to show you that people are people and their behaviors will never change.
These people sound like a bunch of whiny clueless idiots. They should close down cause they have little hope.
deepbassnine google has
I question the thinking behind this, as well.
1. What happens when several “release groups” end up releasing the SAME content?
I mean, let’s say a cracking group cracks a game, and another one works on the SAME game? It’s not that far-fetched of a scenario, really. And “albums?” Come on folks — unless it’s some really obscure thing where there’s only about 50 physical copies, how the hell are you gonna be able to claim that it was “your” release and not someone else’s?
The point here is: elitism, and the power-trip involved in being an “authorized” distribution channel. Control-freak bullshit is more in line with the “MAFIAA”, doncha think? Or am I missing something here?
(That, and I though the whole point of “private” trackers was to keep a low profile from the RIAA’s tactics.)
Elitist bullshit annoys me, it really does — whether it’s Valenti (may he burn in hell for eternity) trying to get VCR’s banned, or some pretentious “scenester” going into butthurt-overload because he didn’t get his ass kissed enough by other “scenesters”.
Go play schoolyard games somewhere else, dumbass.
“private sites are a business you know. they make money through ads or subscription or “donations”. its bad for business if stuff on their site can be found elsewhere.”
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lolololol @ irony
what a bunch of hypocritical bastards. They’re bitching about how they’re releases are being leaked, fuck them, this is the internet, “bastards” are going to do what the fuck they want.
what the fuck are they gonna do fucking call the cops on them, the admins should slit their wrists and get on with their lives.
Excuse my bluntness but I will not tolerate a hypocrite.
@xen
“So if I create an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, Lamborghini should just accept that if they start loosing revenue?”
If you created an exact copy of a Lamborghini Gallardo and gave it out for free, you wouldn’t have stolen any Gallardos from Lamborghini. That’s the point.
Loss of revenue is a whole seperate issue from the fallacy that filesharing = stealing.
But if you want to claim that Lamborghini suffered a loss of revenue because you gave away a Gallardo for free, then you’d have to prove that whoever you gave that Gallardo to would have otherwise purchased one directly from Lamborghini.
Even if you gave it to a filthy rich Lamborghini collector, it still isn’t an open and shut case of lost revenue. What if they were planning to buy a Gallardo, but from another private collector or at an auction? In that case, Lamborghini wouldn’t have seen any money either way.
@xen
“You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.”
Okay.
Take the iTunes business model, and now completely remove the MAFIAA from the equation. Bam!
What do I win?
you lot suck and your p2p sucky software like utorrent us sceners dont want our stuff being leaked to shit like p2p sites such as tpb aka the pirate fail and mininova your all n00bs
This is exactly like Sceners hating on aXXo for ripping their releases (or at least according to their claims he is doing this).
Quite frankly, this sort of behavior, as others have already said, smacks of elitism. And if I encountered such at a private site (which I don’t really care to use), I would probably cancel my membership there in protest.
everyone loves to be special, a part of an exclusive elite. Grow the fuck up.
Everyone would like to be special, a part of an exclusive elite. Grow the [fornication under consent of the king] up.
@xen:
“You have reason why you do it, now come with a good business model and promote that, please.”
The genie is out of the bottle with file sharing, and you aren’t going to put it back in. There is an itunes model without the RIAA or DRM…emusic. And it’s profitable. But lets face facts: The music industry will continue to lose money because most people will take for free if they can. As more and more people grow up with the technology, the effects are just going to snowball.
The future of business model for
the music industry will be using recorded music as a promotion tool for touring and merch. Music is a performance art and as such the artists should get paid for performing it. Independent musicians have been living off of this model for decades.
Lets face it, the record company is quickly becoming obsolete and the sun is setting on the era of the filthy rich rock star. And music is better off for it. Music needs an atmosphere that encourages it’s evolution. Taking the record industry out of the equation will do that.
If people don’t want “their” (it’s not their work now is it?) releases shared elsewhere, then stick to private FTP with a few friends.
So-called private sites with 1000’s of members aren’t really private. Who has 100’s of friends? Right.
It’s already piracy to begin with so it’s only logical already pirated content can (or better: can’t) be pirated again.
Worst are lame sites making money with donations and VIP schemes trying to protect “their” uploaders/ money makers (usually just re-dumpers of scene stuff).
those damn russians
P2P is free, and will always be free. Assholes trying to make money off it can go shove it up there ass.
I will leak, I will share, I will keep P2P free no matter what it takes.
Oh what are you going to do.. ban my IP? Call the cops?
Yeah I thought so.. go f*ck yourself.
Oh the irony. Pathetic fucking hypocrites, get real.
asstarded
Hmm, underground “urban” music that only gets rehosted on Russian blogs? I don’t think we’re missing out on much…
may all scene kids burn in hell. Hypocritical bastards.
This is a response to post #3 by Anonymous: Stop being a fag.
As Cheech said :
Man ! Someone ripped off the shit I ripped off !!
As Ben Franklin once said three can keep a secret as long as two of them are dead. If you don’t want stuff “leaked” don’t share it.
This situation does sound rather funny, however if I understood it properly some of the “pirates”, supposedly, have a valid claim over their uploads because they are creators of the content being uploaded. Regardless there is no way to completely control the distribution of any files once they are on a bit torrent tracker. So if they really want to, at some point, go about the “traditional” way of selling music maybe just keep their best stuff off the torrent sites.
Although, I’d say unless they’re accusing every one of their potential customers of being unscrupulous morons, the music will sell it self. If someone really enjoys your music and they have the ability they’ll probably buy it. If not then it must not be worth that much to them and they wouldn’t have bought in the first place, so they’re not hurting your profits.
it wasn’t me, i’m clueless to these things.
@3: I’m familiar with the situation and tracker and it has gotten way out of hand too many times.
Meta
What website are they talking about here?
I know the website they are talking about. I know the release that was “leaked” as well. The most outrageous thing about this is that the website in question is that they are notorious for stealing other trackers content and posting it on their tracker. They also remove .nfo’s and change all the tags. They ripped off a site I used to help moderate at constantly, nicking just about everything they could. Although we took no claim to scene releases, we did want our personal rips and releases to remain exclusive to our site, at least for a short time period. In the end, our admin shut the place down over that issue and a couple of others.
They are not a good bunch of people over there. It’s generally thick with thugs and chavs, and the lack of respect they show for any other torrent site shows in their forums. I find this whole story very amusing.
The catch 22 of it is, they could never have leaked it unless it was leaked to them in the first place.
I wonder what the original author of the data leaked has to say about all this?
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