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Supreme Court Movie Piracy Case Could Reveal Wrong Person

After an ISP refused to hand over the identity of a customer to anti-piracy lawyers who claim him to be the first uploader of a pre-release movie, they took the case to court. Shrouded in secrecy the case is heading for the Supreme Court but even if the anti-piracy group wins, they’re going to get the ID of the wrong guy.

KAMERAMax Manus, a World War II movie based on the real-life events of resistance fighter Max Manus was the most expensive Norwegian film production to date.

Inevitably, a version of the movie that had been recorded in an empty theater leaked onto the Internet. Producer John M. Jacobsen was furious, vowing to track down the leaker mercilessly.

An investigation controlled by notorious pirate hunter Espen Tøndel and the Simonsen law firm was launched. They later announced that they had tracked down the IP address from where the movie was first uploaded to the Internet.

After the police expressed disinterest, Simonsen went to the courts to force an ISP to reveal the identity of the individual behind the IP address. Much to the disappointment of transparency advocates in Norway, few people know the outcome of that case since it’s being kept a secret. All we know is that one party wasn’t happy with the verdict and the case is now off to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court will have to decide if it’s acceptable for privately owned companies with financial interests in the outcome of a case to be given the power to obtain the identity of an Internet subscriber behind an IP-address, whether or not they committed the alleged offense.

And “whether or not” is a key phrase here. Not only does an IP address alone fail to identify an individual sat at a keyboard, TorrentFreak has been provided with information which indicates that the person the investigators claim to be the first uploader of the movie is actually no such thing.

As with much pre-released material, the content first makes its way on to the Internet via so-called ‘Scene’ groups. The Max Manus movie was first released by a group called KAMERA on a secure site on December 29th 2008 at 14:04:16.

A note the group included with the release reads: “We would recommend everyone to go and watch this movie in your local theater, and even buy the dvd/blu-ray when it hits the stores. This is a great movie, and it definitely deserves it!”

Instead of going after KAMERA, Simonsen are going after a much easier target – a secondary uploader who made his upload to a private BitTorrent tracker just under 3 hours later. Despite all the fuss, to date the movie has been downloaded just 2,800 times from the site it was released on.

Going through intermediaries, a source inside KAMERA confirmed to TorrentFreak they had nothing to do with the BitTorrent release but understandably declined to comment further. A source close to the group said they were disappointed that the movie had escaped onto the wider Internet due to all the publicity it’s received.

The tactic of going for easy targets is nothing new for anti-piracy groups, especially if it grabs some headlines. In 2005, a ‘workprint’ version of Star Wars Episode III leaked onto the Internet, put there by an previously unknown group called VISA. No member of this outfit was ever traced but the admins of EliteTorrents paid dearly for later making the movie available on BitTorrent.

In December 2009, following mountains of bad press and propaganda, Gilberto Sanchez, 47, was arrested at his home in the Bronx on charges of violating copyright law and now faces three years in prison and a $250,000 fine for supposedly being the infamous Wolverine ‘workprint’ leaker. “I’m a scapegoat for this,” he later told the New York Times. “I’m gonna get crucified.”

Few believe that Sanchez was the original uploader of Wolverine and now it appears the mystery person behind the IP address in the Max Manus investigation is not the original uploader either. Whether his or her identity will be made available to the anti-piracy lawyers is now up to the Supreme Court to decide.

While the actual first leakers of pre-release material continue to remain utterly elusive, those who dare to leak onto the wider Internet will continue to shoulder all of the blame, thanks to the inability of anti-piracy groups to investigate any further.

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  • Hannah

    Good article, but could you clarify in the article that this is about the Norwegian courts, not the US Supreme Court or any other country’s? Thanks :)

  • Benni

    @ #1 Surely one would naturally assume that being that it is stated that this is based in Norway, it would be the Norwegian Supreme Court, Norway is not a member state of the European Union so is it not obvious?????????

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    “The tactic of going for easy targets is nothing new for anti-piracy groups…”
    At least they know they are too dumb to go after the real targets.

    Going after people who actually are the “first releasers” or scene would take far more brains than most of the agencies put together would have, as shown by the likes of the RIAA its just easier to go after grannies, innocent single mothers, 12 year old kids, the sick, the dying, the disabled, the dead and inanimate objects like printers.

  • Joe

    it’s always the p2p people that get fukt, why aren’t they taking lessons?

    When are people going to realize… you aren’t secure using p2p!! why upload shit like that anyways, is it a thrill?

    enter usenet… safe, secure, and faster than any torrent seeder

  • stupid.

    @ #2 – but you’re forgetting that most USAians probably think their supreme court is the only one in the world.

  • Joe

    @3 – “go after grannies, innocent single mothers, 12 year old kids, the sick, the dying, the disabled, the dead and inanimate objects like printers.”

    Every time I take a drag of a cigarette I know I’m killing myself. If people are that fukin stupid to think they aren’t doing anything illegal by sharing a movie, then what has this world become?

  • Plato

    The producer should be aware that his movie will have more success if he would have leaked a low quality version in the first place.

    Epic fail – will not download this movie.

  • hehehe

    they are going after anybody they can…they’re going after open source
    too!

    http://freakbits.com/open-source-software-turns-countries-into-pirate-havens-0224

  • Cujo

    OK ,, i give myself up!! ,, it was me!! ,, maybe :D

  • Matthew

    As a law student, I disagree with anyone with a financial interest doing this.

  • Pegleg

    I’ve never even seen a film from Norway , are there any good ones ? Ps I found utorrent and my VPN worked much better after removing my software firewall

  • duane

    This would be newsworthy if they were going after the RIGHT person.

  • What? I never said this.

    It’s BETTER from the anti-p2p point of view to go after the wrong person.

    If they only went after the real original uploaders then I, and most of you, never ever being in a position to be one, would feel secure in re-uploading.

    But when they scattergun, they make everyone nervous.

    I don’t give a fuck either way, but if I was in their shoes, chasing the right person is the absolute last thing I would do.

  • Who

    I agree with #7 and will not download this movie and wouldn’t go to the cinema to see it. Are Anti-piracy groups just advertising the film when they take this stance, a film that isn’t downloaded loads of times is a epic fail. Whats the film called again and who made it… just a nobody, losers.

  • Loonytoad Quack

    @13… Except it is a good film. Idiot.

  • Trelew

    The real villain is…..Alfred E Neuman. And he is MAD doesn’t care if the world knows it.

    Seriously, do you think Big Business cares if they have the right person for this supposed “crime”? Hell no, any convenient sap will do for them. A person who will be unable to defend themselves from all the scapegoating and propaganda the media can muster.

    For Big Business, being fair and honest doesn’t even enter into the equation. Just so long as they can get their way, all the time, then they’ll be happy. Who cares if things like the integrity of governments and courts are shot to hell, or an innocent person’s life is destroyed so they can have some to burn in effigy in the media.

  • IHeard

    @10 – Matthew

    “As a law student, I disagree with anyone with a financial interest doing this.”

    Being a law student you obviously still have a lot to learn :-)

  • Anonymous

    Yet another WW2 rehash. And I thought the video game industry was bad.

  • Reckoned Ass

    @6

    hey idiot get a clue file sharing is not illegal damn techno illiterate old timer…

  • SEEDplease

    Some pirates are known to use “unsecured wi-fi connections” in order to not be traced, and they even brag about it!
    The result is innocent people getting blamed.

  • Anonymous

    @3 lol’d at the printer comment.
    I do feel really sorry for the uploaders, but really, if your doing this, surely its worth investing a few £/$ or what ever foraccess to a vpn that doesn’t keep logs. I kno that some people think “hmmm, these vpn providers…there profiting off me uploading stuff”, but really, its such a small amount each month that surely its got to be worth it.
    If uploaders started to see the value in things such as vpn then there would be no more caught cases bought against uploaders since there would be next to no way of tracking them down if they used a service that kept no logs.

  • Nobody

    Don’t think the anti-piracy gestapo is even going to care if it’s the right person or not. As long as they get to rape *somebody* in the legal system, it gets their message across, and it’s another notch in their “campaign” to try and scare people with.

  • Anonymous

    @21

    We need to update our legal system. What was the civil branch of the law used back in the day for? Libel cases? The whole system is extremely outdated. Burden of proof on the defendant? LOLWAT

    inb4 BUT OUR FOREFATHERS MADE COPYRIGHT LAW. …yeah, and nobody back then even had so much as a personal typewriter

  • Anonymous

    Basiclly P2P users are morons who use a system for distributing copyrighted files that easily allows detection of themselves and every other dumb f*ck … and then have a BAWWWW session when they’re busted.

    Idiots.

    The reason members of The Scene aren’t caught very often at all is they practice security measures. Since the operations against the scene in the early 2000′s security has increased.

    Most P2P users are too stupid and/or lazy to do this so the cycle of investigation, prosecutions and BAWWWWWing will go on and on.

  • hiro81

    3 hours from pre? That’s slow as hell… pity the poor file sharer, the media cartels will go after any low-hanging fruit they can reach.

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  • Sans

    Your article here appears to be complete BS.

    They’ve said they want the ID of the guy who’s IP first released it onto BT. You’ve suggested they may get the wrong person if they instead wanted to get the ID of someone different, which they don’t.

    Some big thinkin’ going on around here.

  • Merrick

    They said they wanted the guy who cammed the movie and first put it on the internet. Its obvious the bittorrent uploader is not that guy, but then again, I read the article

  • Sans

    We both read the article. Unlike me, you appear to think anyone but scene groups give a flying fk about who pre’d something first.

    Lie to me and tell me you think the IP address they want to ID is that of someone who didn’t release this to the public as opposed to the guy who put it on BT where everyone got it from.

    Go on. Don’t just imply you could be that stupid, pony up and claim it. Plant your flag in that retardedness pal.

  • netzInter

    It will be hilarious when they go after the original uploaders neighbor or something. IP != a person. This is why you fail so hard anti-p2p.

  • duane

    Sans, I’ll claim that you are yet another idiot who thinks they have the right to come on here and tell people if what think is right or isn’t.

    How do YOU know who they’re after? It looks pretty damn likely that they are trying to find a scapegoat because they can’t get whoever cammed the movie and put it up in the first place.

    Yes, they’re evil people. Yes, they benefit immensely from the system and will fight for it to stay the same. Yes, they’ll use terrorism in order to control us.

    This is just another terrorist act in a series of many, and the copyright monopolists’ way of preventing change.

    The system is flawed, and the people who benefit from it are rich and selfish. The little people are becoming bold enough to stand up and say “enough”, by circumventing the unfair monopolies that are in place at the moment, and it can only pick up pace.

    The monopolists are AFRAID of the little people, and AFRAID of the pirate parties and AFRAID of the fact that they will inevitably lose this war.

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  • ken

    Will my comment be moderated again?

  • yourmomsboyfriend

    poor sanchez now he will deliver packages riding his little mule

  • FE

    @30

    I don’t want to go off the topic, but I disagree. They’re not afraid of anything. They’ll benefit even if torrent sites would be legal. They’ll simply go after the individuals. The uploaders, the ones who leak and so on.
    To kill their business (as some like to say) few laws need to be rewritten and I’m sure it wont be happening anytime soon.
    They’ll silence “the one who stands up and says ‘enough’” before you can even join in. In my lifetime with these prices there will never be a mass riot against anti-piracy companies, because people who “stand up” can all be put away legally and every last one of them knows that. They’ll never join anyone and they’ll never demand their “rights” in real life with loud voice.

    A lot of people don’t even know what internet piracy is. A lot of people don’t even know what internet is. A lot of people don’t even have a computer.
    Once game, movie & music companies start providing their services over the internet and make it available for everyone I’m pretty sure piracy goes down, they could earn a bit more and it’s highly possible prices will drop slightly.
    Steam is great and I just wish everyone would do the same.

    They’re going after the re-uploader. Seems to be a move in right direction to me. Perhaps the person is part of some underground group or has some connections or maybe he could tell where he got the movie from, etc.
    If they really do get a wrong person I’m sure he’ll be released quickly. If that “wrong person” gets mad or offended and decides to sue someone then I’d say anti-piracy groups wont take similar risk anytime soon.

  • lol

    @4 the very same can be said about xdcc.

  • Hi5

    @16 and 17
    You got right right there.

  • duane

    @33
    Tell that to the Pirate Parties around the world.

  • Sans

    “Sans, I’ll claim that you are yet another idiot who thinks they have the right to come on here and tell people if what think is right or isn’t.”

    Everyone has this right you moron. The alternative is called censorship. If you were a smarter person you probably would have chosen to argue the complete opposite here. But you’re not.

    “How do YOU know who they’re after?”

    I thought you said you read the article. You know, the one which says precisely this.

    “Yes, they’ll use terrorism in order to control us. This is just another terrorist act in a series of many”

    Yeah, how dare anyone come here tell you whether ideas like this are right or wrong. What arrogance I’d have to have to disrupt your insane fantasy world. I’ve probably messed up your whole day’s masturbating to unicorns vibe.

  • duane

    “Everyone has this right you moron. The alternative is called censorship. If you were a smarter person you probably would have chosen to argue the complete opposite here. But you’re not.”

    Wow, you know everything. I must be really dumb. Oh, did your eminence know that free speech isn’t really free? There are always boundaries, and your posts above were particularly condescending to everyone else here — that’s where the line is usually drawn.

    “I thought you said you read the article. You know, the one which says precisely this.”

    Moi? Sorry, you’re just confused. Besides, you said the article is complete BS, so you aren’t allowed to refer back to it.

    “Yeah, how dare anyone come here tell you whether ideas like this are right or wrong. What arrogance I’d have to have to disrupt your insane fantasy world. I’ve probably messed up your whole day’s masturbating to unicorns vibe.”

    Well, if we ever need your vitriol we’ll let you know. In the mean time, you might want to go find a religious blog and tell them all about the flying spaghetti monster or something. I’m sure they’ll appreciate it as much as we do.

  • Sans

    How refreshing to hear someone voluntarily comparing their fantasy-based ideas to the close-minded principles of organised religion.

  • duane

    Wasn’t a comparison. Was just saying you are an asshole.

  • Swift

    Pirate Party FTW. What are you waiting for? Vote!

  • Hello

    I stop watching most movie years ago and haven’t miss any. why waste your free time on useless movies that is meant to waste your time and drain you of any financial saving?

    Most of us don’t download movies to watch it but rather to distribute it and see how many are interested.
    We do it to keep busy lol!
    Its only for ppl who are really bored and don’t know what to do with their spare time. I think the movie industry makes me sick to my stomach, even garbage movie are sold for more then its worth!
    say movies that are rare, and crap should be buried in the trash forever in landfill. anyone who has time to watch movies has too much free time when we can use that for something more useful like hobby, taking apart your computer, running around the house and looking for stuff that you lost. sorry if i talk too much thats because i am very intellectual and not like 95 percent of the ignorant society that doesn’t talk much and only like to argue, brag, rant and whine.

  • Anonymous

    Visa weren’t the first people to share Star Wars. It was originally uploaded on Elite as an iso, Visa then repacked it in Rar’s. It was originally a non-scene release.

  • qp

    @39 Sans
    EPIC FAIL

  • lol

    If i were that dude.. its time to get the F out of dodge..

  • Will

    The truly guilty party wins again. ;)

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  • Anonymous

    @4 I think you are incredibly stupid, sometimes laws intertwine with morality and it’s not right, rich producers and such go around and ruin families by suing them, over a movie, you think that’s right, than you’re just fucked up and fuck you!

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