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Swedish ISPs Obstruct New Anti-Piracy Legislation

While all eyes were on the Pirate Bay trial, Swedish parliament passed the IPRED law, making it easier for copyright holders to go after illicit file-sharers . The law has only been in effect for one month and anti-piracy outfits are already facing problems using it, as ISPs take measures to protect their customers.

The controversial Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive (IPRED) has gathered opposition from various sides, most notably half of the Swedish public. The law, which gives rights holders the authority to request the personal details of alleged copyright infringers, has also been met with resistance from ISPs.

As early as November, an op-ed was written by ISP Bahnhof’s CEO Jon Karlung where he stated his company would not hand over the information. “In its current version, the law makes no difference between computers and users. And meanwhile, it makes spies out of the ISPs,” he wrote at the time.

In a recent interview with Swedish national radio he reiterated this position and said ISPs are not legally bound to store information related to their customers’ IP-addresses. Hence, Bahnhof stopped storing user data and has no information to hand over, even if a court orders it. And Bahnhof isn’t on its own in taking this action.

Today, major operator Tele2 (over 600,000 customers) declared they will follow Bahnhof’s example and without delay stop storing this type of user data. “Previously, we have stored some information about our customer’s IP addresses for internal use, but now the privacy issue has been pushed this far with the IPRED discussion. We do this to strengthen our customers’ privacy,” said Tele2′s Swedish CEO Niclas
Palmstierna.

“There’s is nothing in the Electronic Communications Law that decides what we should store, only what we shouldn’t store. We have analyzed the legislation carefully and found that we have no obligations at all to store information about our customers’ IP addresses,” he continued.

Peter Danowsky, IFPI lawyer and legal representative in the first IPRED case, is not impressed with the ISPs opposition, and claims he can change the law. “Everyone in the parliament has been operating under the assumption that the ISPs are loyal to the legislation and don’t want to participate in breaking the law. If Tele2 takes this attitude and other operators follow, there will be a stronger law in the future,” he stated.

As if Danowsky’s self-proclaimed parliamentary status didn’t take enough time, he’s also having difficulties getting information about the ‘owner’ of an IP address in the first IPRED case.

Acting on a mission from five book publishers, Danowsky handed a request to a local court for information about the owner of an FTP-server where audio books were stored. Although it was a private FTP and the audio books couldn’t have been made available to the public, the court ordered the ISP Ephone to hand over the information of the person behind the IP-address. But Ephone refused.

“The evidence that the publishers have submitted is incomplete,” wrote Ephone’s lawyer in a response to the court. It mainly consisted of screenshots and log files, which Ephone says isn’t enough. Furthermore, they claim that releasing the information is contrary to the basic right for protection of an individual’s privacy. “For us, the level of evidence to disclose information on an IP-address must be very high,” said CEO Bo Wigstrande.

It’s good to see that ISPs are willing to stand up for the privacy their customers. In this they are backed by the European Parliament that spoke out in favor of amendment 138/46 of the Telecoms Package several times, stating that the right to privacy of Internet users may not be restricted without prior ruling by the judicial authorities.

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  • extu

    go swedish ISPs

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    next law up forcing them to store said data
    THE WAR IS ON

  • Eleriel

    I approve

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    and ya know id like to seriously shake the hands of those ISPS and SAY

    ANYTIME YOUR IN CANADA find me and ill give you free place to stay and eat.

  • extu

    i’d like to buy them a drink myself.

  • me.

    ISP’s that care about there customers!?! NO WAY!!

    didn’t think they existed..

    seriously though to IT professionals like me, sticking up for your customer isnt just nice.. its good practice.. IT people have a knack for.. promoting.. or bashing.. services.

    For example, if anyone mentions COMCAST.. i shower them with there shameful unethical history..

    It puts a bad taste in peoples mouth.. look at windows vista.. (even tho vista is a complete pile-o-crap)

  • c0rr0sive

    That is what I would like to see an ISP do… Protect the customers, and keep the internet open and “unregulated”.

  • lol your wasting your time reading my name

    in b4 trolls ;)

    i am predicting the law epic failing or becomeing in-enforcable due to public outcry. Just saying it here so i can say i told you so.

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  • logic voter

    ‘Peter Danowsky, IFPI lawyer and legal representative in the first IPRED case, is not impressed with the ISPs opposition, and claims he can change the law. “Everyone in the parliament has been operating under the assumption that the ISPs are loyal to the legislation and don’t want to participate in breaking the law. If Tele2 takes this attitude and other operators follow, there will be a stronger law in the future,” he stated.’

    Let this lawyer buy more laws then.
    I hope its more expensive than buying in Ipred and bribing the pirate bay judge/arranging him to be the judge.

  • Rekrul

    Swedish ISPs – “No, you can’t have that person’s name, plus we are going to turn off our logging so there will be no such information in the future.”

    American ISPs – “Sure you can have that person’s name! In fact, we’re going to start spying on our users and handing over the names BEFORE you ask!”

  • Anonymous

    Now compare this to Quebecor, media conglomerate holding the Videotron cable ISP:

    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3706/125/

    They are ready to sell you as soon as someone shows up.

  • CeCe

    Its probrably only a matter of time before the losers at the MAFIAAofSweden bribe them to introduce legislation of a law for them to start infringing on the users privacy.

  • Maroan

    Great to see that swedish people and theire ISP are resisting the big f….ked companies. Oh yes Danowsky, beat me harder, and im sure youll see a real revolution rising up in Sweden. Laws are not to be made for the big corporations profit, but for the peoples rights…

  • riaarard

    Why don’t they go after microsoft and apple for licensing the software to pirates and enabling them to download and share pirated 0′s and 1′s?

    Is the RIAA and MPAA going to compensate the ISP’s for lost profits when they lose 90% of their paying customers? Are ISP’s so rich that they can afford to lose so much business?

    Whose lawyers are smarter and more expensive?

    I wonder…

  • Ralonto

    It is a good thing to know that some of those who maintain the net are still on our side.

  • demonic

    i wish u.s. ISPs had balls

  • ihaveseenthetruthanditdoesntmakesense.com

    so where is ipredator? 5 weeks and counting…

  • Ralonto

    @13

    I see this argument come by often. “Why do they not go after x?”. No personal offence meant, but this is total nonsense. Not because the cases are different, on the contrary they are the same. But more in the way that we think that the RIAA has the right to ‘go after’ anyone at all. They do not. They are not the police. They are not the government. They are a business brand that tries to capitalize on past successes to maintain a status quo, but in fact has been put out of business by innovation in technology and communication whilst they could easily have adapted to it. Their refusal to do so for me negates any claim they would have had on such rights.

  • ihaveseenthetruthanditdoesntmakesense.com

    @15 / demonic
    U.S. ISPs have a lot more money to loose as the infrastructure is way bigger than in sweden.. they follow the money

  • UltraleetJ

    “Peter Danowsky, IFPI lawyer and legal representative in the first IPRED case, is not impressed with the ISPs opposition, and claims he can change the law.” Oh yeah? and who is that Dan SOn of a ***** to believe people should obey him blindndly? he is, after all, made up of the same material we all uhmans are. He is probably 10 times less intelligent though, which makes the unknown species like him so special. Asside from that there’s nothing else. So, I would like to know more about this guy. Even his IP. I wonder how much the brive would cost anyway. I will just keep on pirating things more to make that brive for changing the laws a nightmare. So what are we know, living under some made up russian last name’s dictatorship? I think these ISPS prove otherwise. If the law is so flawed is not that the ISPS don’t want to cooperate–is that the m0r0ns that wrote the law were lacking enough logic to discover this flaw. Perhaps if we leave things open for the public to discuss and debate things would have been much easier, but no… it is so flawed because it is all secretive. Just compare comercial securitysoftware with open source software. of course the comercial software is all wattered down and a joke, while thanks to the heavy scrutiny on open source software much of what is flawed is fixed way before it is used for a bad purpose. This is why goverrnments and corporatoins should be open–after all we believe they are all honest… so why must we have something to hide?

  • Virate

    The last thing ISPs want would be harsher filesharing laws.. what customer wants to pay an ISP for 100 mbps broadband if they can’t fileshare.

    It’s in the CEOs’ interests to protect their best customers.

  • Irishlander

    Thats fantastic news those guys are fighting it, its a pity the British and to a lesser extent Irish ISPs arent willing to fight so vigorously when it comes down to it.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/27/imp_consultation/

    (UK gov to spend £2bn on ISP tracking)

  • Ralonto

    @ Irishlander

    I heard of it, the UK government will be monitoring and storing ALL internet communication. They will be able to see which people you are related too. What porn you watch. What your consumer habits are. What your political ideology is. And the list goes on.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    @14 in case you weren’t paying attention they DID go after microsfot who was more hten happy to sign a deal with the mpaa and RIAA, so enjoy windows enhanced

  • hgj

    WE ARE 138!

  • JP

    Quote:

    “and claims he can change the law.”

    Read the Swedish article and can not find that particular statement in the linked material. That one needs a proper source.

  • jessejames

    It´s a hell of noice now in the Swedish internetworld. Goverment is using the “silence treatment” to get the problem go away. Ispi:s deletets information, about 9 of them doing so.
    Pirate party have 41000 members now.
    Soon the 3:de biggest party in Sweden.
    They gonna pass that limit by the end of this week.

  • Bloodyscot

    I’m against piracy but these laws are really starting to scare me.
    Stopping piracies is not going to happen but it may slow it now some, but at what cost. These people have a small view on things, these laws may seem like a good ideal now but down the road the laws are going to be a big problem. Many of these new laws can be use in ways not even though of yet.

  • Gordon

    Danowsky has now plainly stated that the legal system is bought and paid for by MAFIAA. Now, if there’s anyone left in the legal system that still does their job properly, that’s a great reason to weed out the bribe-takers.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Quick update boys…

    Did you copyright is going to be extended for + 20 years in the EU

    just in time to save the Beatles becoming public domain ;)

    Sure, there’s no corruption…

  • Anonymous

    Well man I’m aganst piracy too,
    but not fileshareing. calling yourself a pirate is stupid please stop, unless of course you sell what you download (shame on you if you do).
    This is not stealing, its infingement of Copyright that is stupid and this is coming from an artist himself, if some one steals my work as in making a direct copy of it and selling it as his own then I have a problem with it, he is just looking at it then I really don’t care.
    All IPREAD is for is to take away freedom of an artist using P2P.

    The people that made these laws are computer illiterate and think the internet is the commercial world–
    It is not.

  • MrIsland

    I think it all boils down to who (between media industry and ISPs) gets to buy the best/most politicians/lawyers/judges.

    They’re all just “greedy little people in a sea of distress…”. And I hope they don’t sue me for “fair using” those lyrics.

  • MrIsland

    Solution? Maildrop some cash to a VPN provider in a free country and be happy. Or, even better… move there. :P

  • Qix

    Great to hear. As other said too bad it appears that Sweeden is the only country with honorable ISP’s that want to keep their customers.

  • DeiBellum

    I think it is time to buy these ISP presidents a round of whatever drink they want.

    Now if we can only get these people to USA…

  • AlfmaniaK

    Humm… interesting! Now I can make cybercrimes like access Peter Danowsky bank account from sweden and there will not be any log of my activities, or connections? This is way too good for criminals…
    The best I can take from it, is that the only ones we can blame are those who made this happen in the first place!

  • exno

    wow. not much i can add after all the comments so far… except how can anyone take a law serious if its acronym is IPRED… i mean I P RED… its just begging to be mocked

  • fight_the_tyranny

    This is precisely why the UK government enacted laws to store user data for one year. Of course it was all under the guise of ‘fighting terrorism’, but doesn’t almost every action by government use this excuse?

  • aerilus

    i think that sometimes every one forgets that the people running the isps are nerds like the rest of us, server admins are probably not likely to be on the antipiracy side of the argument it is the technically inclined portion of the population that want copyright to be free and antipiracy groups have so far relied on ignorance and conservative lawmakers who can be persuaded. now hopefully that have met a wall one with lots of lawyers and technical expertise, and one that has no interest in inforcing the vendetta of one small interest group. of course there is always the politics involved and the isp that actually own record labels like virgin but i hope for the most part they will stick up for there customers rights

  • Store Data

    Go ahead, make a law to store data. It’s called a fake log generator, sheesh, when will they learn.

  • Bryan Collins

    Good for them!

  • Frank

    nice. first time I see a telecomunication-company act in favour of their customers. Normally they give me the impression of getting dragged through the mud.

  • Anonymous

    “Peter Danowsky, IFPI lawyer and legal representative in the first IPRED case, is not impressed with the ISPs opposition, and claims he can change the law.”

    What an admission! Now the entairtainent corporations of parasites are makung the law now!

    How democratic! And this bag odf shit of Peter Danowsky is braging about this!

    It is time to do something serious guys before these criminals destroy our societies and our democracy!

    We have to eradicate the parasites NOW!

  • Anonymous

    Go ahead change the law you moron!

    We will use encrypted and IP enfusking applications stupid!

  • HusseinInTheMembrane

    “i mean I P RED… its just begging to be mocked”

    hahahaha

  • I.P. Freely

    “i mean I P RED… its just begging to be mocked”

    i don’t get it

  • Anonymous

    great to see a company that cares for its customers, well done

  • anon2

    if an isp loses a customer or a customer loses their internet connection or right to privacy, none of the anti piracy groups, movie and music industry, ifpi, mpaa whoever, cares a damn as long as they get what they want. not only are these various bodies alienating customers, they are turning big organisations against them as well. i hope the trend continues and more companies stand against them. trouble is, this should have been stopped before it got this far.

  • Hulk

    Thank god that the swedish ISP’s aren’t willing to roll over on command by the MAFIAA or government. Unlike here in Germany.

  • dookati

    I heart ISPs XD

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  • v4

    Question, this is opening the door for many acts such as kiddie porn rings, various intrusions botnets etc to go completely unlogged.

    I understand IP != person, but damn it helps in pointing people in the right direction.

    I’m all for the battle, but I don’t think that people are seeing the implications here.

  • fuiadlka

    wow, it’s really good to see there’s still some sense left in this world.. though mostly on the other side of it.

    ’round here you know the ISP’s will try to profit off it. First they’ll lobby the gov’ment to qwell net neutrality such that all their needed deep packet inspection is in place… that also serves a spying gov’ment well. Then they’ll say we can’t store all that info it’s too expensive… well sure, if you gave us “that” much money.. technically I suppose it is possible.

    Then, since the big ISP’s ARE the big record and media companies, they’ll have no problems using the gov’ment hardware as they see fit.

    Really though, as they’re the ones producing the content they’re also the ones making it possible for it to be copied. In the end they’ve only themselves to blame, we’re just their helpless victims.

  • Reasoned Mind

    I love how he categorically states that he will change the law, nice to see that parliamentary procedure and the rights of the public can be so easily by-passed

    These people will keep pushing and pushing till even those in government will be tired of there antics and push back, hopefully closing them down for good

    A good judgement by ISPs and the EU parliament, lets hope those who govern the different member states within the eu are taking notice of these developments and realising its time to close the door on the copyright lobbyists

  • uaadlkf

    @51 That’s why it’s both dangerous and suffocating to be confusing shit like copywrite, which is just a special interest group issue, with actual criminal behavior.

    There has to be a voice of reason and a line of common sense in the sand or for rights, privacy, decency, etc. while having the ability to monitor and pick off predators of any type.

    Short of that it’s 1984 full stop, and without guys like this, that’s exactly where it’s heading.

  • Anonymous

    @53

    Yeah really, but I think when it comes to government setting policy for the lobbiests that paid for them, the hold outs will simply have to lower their rates to stay competitive….

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  • lelu

    this should be a template for all ISPs to follow. shame the rest of the world is too corrupt for it to happen.

  • Malcolm

    I wish US ISPs would take note of this. If just 1 American ISP rallied to fight for its customers privacy in a public way, others would have to follow. 1 ISP does it, and they look like a champion, I would sign up for them ASAP. The other ISPs would have to follow or else lose customers.

  • 8241e7776c19c02a243c5749ce3e965d

    Way to go !

    Nice job!

  • wonderwhy-er

    Well guys why they can push so far to bend laws in their favor? Cuz we are paying them? We are giving power to them ourselves by buying their stuff… I am not seriously considering not buying CD/DVD/etc ever… This is just so outdated way of distribution anyways…

    Naay for copyrights and patents huraay for Creative Commons and GPL/MIT/etc licenses amd online projects they bring.

  • FatGiant

    A BIG round of applause for these ISP’s.

    Now, governments, are intrinsecally dishonest unless they have no other choice. Don’t ever assume the opposite. No one goes to a political career out of ideology, the only, I repeat, ONLY reason, is self-service.

    A law maker, is a laweyr. Every one knows what a laweyr is good for. Right, to BEND laws in service of who pays him. Laws are made in such a way as to be abble to be bent. Otherwise, their whole class would be out of a job.

    So, now we have, politians and laweyrs. Some are even both. With the propper amount of “incentive” any law can be produced in the exact way as to provide both classes their earnings.

    If a laweyr says he can change the law, believe him, he’s the one to know. So, the law WILL be changed, secretly, given to his fellow lawyers to study, and bend.

    There’s only one way out.

    Change the politians. Buy ourselves our own batch, and put them there. Don’t be squirmish about it, politians are a dime a dozen. The problem is keeping them after elected. But, for a little while they will be ours, and maybe we can make our own laws.

    Well, there you go.

  • Fred

    “..but now the integrity issue has been..”

    The swedish word “integritet” should be translated to “privacy”. It has nothing to do with the meaning of the english word “integrity”.

  • Anonymous

    @FatGiant

    Not a problem. We’ve already got our own politicians, and they’re on their way to Parliament.

    http://www.piratpartiet.se/storlek/

  • God

    If i ever meet one of these gentlemen I swear to god im buying him a beer.

  • Tor

    “It’s good to see that ISPs are willing to stand up for the privacy their customers. In this they are backed by the European Parliament that spoke out in favor of amendment 138/46 of the Telecoms Package several times, stating that the right to privacy of Internet users may not be restricted without prior ruling by the judicial authorities.”

    Well, in the Swedish case a ruling by a judicial authority is made. The problem is who can request the information. Previously only the police could request such information when there was suspicions of a crime that could lead to multiple years in prison. With the IPRED1-law any rights holder (including private persons) can request such sensitive information. Whether the information should be released is decided by a court and I guess we’ll see in the Ephone case if mere screenshots are enough. I certainly hope not.

    Ephone put up a great defense btw. I was amazed when I read it.

  • FatGiant

    Well, that I know, but, who’s to tell for how long will they be “ours”.

    Anyway, to make things happen they will need more then just a seat. They need a workable majority. To that, compromise will be necessary. What will they have to bargain?

    I do believe in the “good” intentions behind that party. But, the very nature of politics, is that nothing based on “good” intentions can last.

    In a political arena, principles, and intentions, are the first to die. A good polititian will save some, but none will ever be able to keep all.

    So, I ask. What will the “good” guys in the Piratpartiet be ready to loose? AND. What will they choose to save?

    Anyway. Let’s hope that they can save “anything”, or at least “themselves”.

    Remember. “Power corrupts. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.” Just remember that.

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  • RARCA

    I am sure ComHem would have thrown me right under the bus. Shame on ComHem and I hope they get what they deserve for being knobs to their paying clients.

  • Anonymous

    integritet = privacy, not integrity

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  • PearHat

    they are starting to back file sharers into a corner there is going to be a huge backlash once the law actually makes it harder to file share

    \m/ all credit to those ISPs, who actually know their users well enough to be fighting this

  • Forseti

    Net Neutrality
    Net Neutrality
    Net Neutrality

    Dont give in to these american dinosaurs.

    Its not about piracy, It is about control of the internet.

  • Indeed

    Heck yea. And if the IFPI thinks that parliament will remain in it’s pockets forever, think again.

    I am voting pirate in all upcoming elections, EU and local, and so should you!

    Show them we’re not just couch potato victims nor cannonfodder for the as-I-like-it rule of the governing yesteryear industry and mindset.

  • Anonymous

    WOOOOOOOP SWEDISH ISPs :D

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  • ernestinis

    Even if ISP will be forced to store IP adresses, there is an easy solution for ISP and their customers: ISP should provide VPN/Proxy/or any other Anonymizing service.
    For ISP it is just anonimity layer without cost of additional data traffic.

    For customers additional layer of security from “legal services” maybe even worth additional payment.

  • Anonymous

    Danowsky’s threat shows you what the IFPI are capable of. The fact that the laws seem to change to the whims of copyright holders is unjust. If the ISP’s are told to store data it will be another attack on our privacy. ISP’s should have no obligation to store data; if a law goes forward to that effect we will end up in a orwellian society.

  • Suricou Raven

    This is how I imagine things might go soon:

    Government: “But we need to force ISPs to store IP information so we can arrest pirates!”
    Public: “BOOOO!!!!”
    Government: “But… we… ah, if we don’t force ISPs to store IP information, pedophiles will be able to rape children and share child porn!”
    Public: “BURN THE PERVS!”
    Government: “Anyone who opposes our new IPRED2 bill supports child porn!”
    Public: “Yay for IPRED2!”

  • LordOfRuin

    Way to go. Just because they can, doesn’t mean they should. I’m gladdened by this news. If only all other ISPs had kahoonahs big enough to push back the whims of BigMoney. We’re the customers, we’re the majority, we’re the citizens of the world. Why are we always the potential criminal that need watching and monitoring?

  • Anti-Christ

    The message being preached here is clear: open and blatant disregard, manipulation and corruption of the law is ACCEPTABLE.

    Judges who sympathise with and condone this contempt for law and rights are actively sanctioning criminality. They are indicating that the law is to be bent and broken at will whenever you deem it necessary.

    This is the implicit message the courts and politicians are giving to the people.

    When they are basing laws, not on what is moral and right for the people, but simply to strengthen corporations control over people, then you should no longer accept or follow those laws.

    When the laws are corrupt, then there can be NO law.

  • Howdy Doody

    Wow, whats up with them stupid Swedes?

  • Gabe

    It really is a shame that American ISPs haven’t thought of their customers as anything more than money sacks. . . . They really need to realize that they are providing a service, not selling a fucking product. . .

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  • RobbingHood

    I’ve never read through my ISP’s T&C’s, but, my ISP is VirginMedia aka The Virgin Group aka VirginRecords.

    Say if I infringe on one of VirginRecords “assets”, could they just email the VirginMedia department and get my details the easy way?

    I’m sure they’ll be some “Data Protection Act” to protect against this, but, with VM wanting to push ahead with DPI on it’s networks and the “Net neutrality is bollocks” CEO in charge, whats stopping them underhandley passing details between departments.

    Just a thought from a citizen in this ’1984′ country we now live in.

  • Circle of Life

    From right to privacy to right to internet access and now back again to right to provacy. The providers are having difficulty protecting their criminal customers.

    There are not many lawyers working at Torrentfreak otherwise they would have known that liability simply moves from site operator to internet provider when the latter is behaving difficultly.

  • The_Punkinator

    Good news makes me happy.

  • basement dweller

    “It’s in the CEOs’ interests to protect their best customers.”

    Except filesharers aren’t the best customers. The best are those who pay for a connection, but don’t use it. :)

    I’ve been a customer of Telia Sonera and I’m fed up with their shit. I have discontinued my ADSL. I definitely feel they are doing everything they can to take a piss on their customers!

  • Andreas Fink

    BRAVO!
    It’s good to see that ISPs are standing up for civil rights. Too much nonsense is happening in the EU. Its time to speak out loud that there is something wrong.

    Unfortunately with what the germans call “Voratsdatenspeicherung” its not so easy in other places as they have the obligation to store the data.

  • King Dong

    next there will be angry mob riots, with the swine flu and so on, its the beginning of the end.

  • dave

    Honestly, I’m glad things like IPRED have been enacted, and The Pirate Bay convicted. Look at what it has done for Pirates. Sure, a few of the smaller, more vulnerable sites have disappeared, but now we have statements from ISPs that they do not intend to cooperate with the spirit if the law. The Pirate Party’s ranks have swelled tremendously. Even if they are incapable of taking power, they will put pressure on other politicians to sail under a pirate flag.

    Honestly, what we need now is MORE attacks on piracy to bring the issue to a head.

    Right now, we’re playing into our opponent’s hand. We are hamstringing ourselves be allowing moronic laws to stay on the books. We need only eliminate these idiotic laws and the lawyers and industry become completely powerless to stop us.

    “But it will kill innovation” Bullshit. It will RESTORE innovation. Copyright was a crutch. It was necessary to protect the public from large corporations, who would sit on innovations in order to reap as much profit off earlier creations as possible, before a new work rendered the old products obsolete. Today, it is used only to restrict the flow of information.

  • jon

    @61: “The swedish word “integritet” should be translated to “privacy”. It has nothing to do with the meaning of the english word “integrity”.”

    Are you stupid? It has everything to do with the english word “integrity”. Go back to school.

  • Anonymous

    “I’m all for the battle, but I don’t think that people are seeing the implications here.”

    Blame IFPI. They are causing it.

    “In the end they’ve only themselves to blame, we’re just their helpless victims.”

    :D

  • djnforce9

    @basement dweller: Those who pay for a connection and don’t use it are also the most likely to discontinue their service for that very reason. Why pay for something you do don’t use in the first place? On the other hand, heavy downloaders will want to stay loyal to an ISP that provides a service to suit their needs (i.e. decent price, high speed, and no stupid bandwidth restrictions).

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  • Sean

    Come on guys… the ISPs aren’t ‘on your side’. All companies work in their best interest and go where the money is. There is currently no incentive to turn over file sharers and pirates to the anti-piracy groups (and lose paying customers) and many incentives to keep their customers.

    Currently ISPs goals coincide with customers goals, but that doesn’t mean they are on your side. If something happens it could change at any moment

  • 96879

    yeehaw!!
    Finally a ray of light!

    Though, as stated by some commenters; the stand these ISPs are taking is not too sturdy.. If they refuse to keep logs and people begin to notice/suspect less is being done about stuff like mallware/childporn/etc (i.e. (publicly offensive)/’proper’ offences), there WILL be new legislation put in place to handle that; whether it’ll be making logging mandatory anyway, or just logging by governments somewhere somehow, perhaps eu-/worldwide.

    Meaning, amazing stand, makes me feel like switching to Tele2; but the battle is far from over.

    +1: it’s about Net Neutrality, control of the internets

  • Sean

    Swedish ISPs – “No, you can’t have that person’s name, plus we are going to turn off our logging so there will be no such information in the future.”

    Eircom – “Of coarse you can have that person’s name!would you like anything else!(lick lick)”

  • jack sparrow

    I think ISPs did not do this to promote their customers rights but as a business opportunity. Anyone knows that 90%+ people download illegal stuff and the ones that use the bandwith are using it for that particular reason. Considering that ISPs are not bound by the law to store these data, the ISP that will store them will lose customer in favor of those who dont. that’s it. It is a money matter. The same f@#$ing reasons why Sony and shit sues people for copyrights infrigments and sell them blu-ray burners, and blu-ray blank disks ont the other side… Such hypocrisy …

  • NoName

    Of course they’ll oppose this legislation. Idiots can’t have successful businesses. So these ISPs are perfectly aware of who brings them money and who brings headache. It’s obvious that they won’t risk losing customers for no gain (unless MAFIAA pays them for each head). Besides, if it’s not for piracy, who’d buy 1+TB HDDs, CD/DVD/BD burners, 20+Mbit Internet lines, seedboxes, VPN etc.?
    Also, it’s not a big deal really. We’ve been having this system for more than 10 years already – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM – and no one gives a f**k about even our own domestic copyrights, let alone international ones. On a positive side, we’ll see improvements in P2P anonymitity sooner.

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  • Fred

    @86

    You should look up the word “integrity”. A person with integrity is someone that stands for what he thinks etc.

    In data terminology integrity is about the quality of data. Data with high integrity is data that is correct.

    Integrity can however never mean privacy. (except in swedish)

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  • Ruslan Almukhametov

    I sincerely hope this tendency will spread among other ISPs

  • Mr. A

    Fight the power!

  • pirates

    we will prevail

  • Anonymous

    So this IPRED law allows Swedish ISP’s to effectively spy on internet users and their actions and then punish them if they torrent? Doesn’t this violate multiple personal privacy laws? How does this new law simply override the privacy laws? It just doesn’t make sense…

  • YessaMassaWEG

    Well I guess Sweden sure isn’t Taiwan.
    Stronger laws also sometimes require stronger action. Escalation will do nothing but harm in the end.

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  • $hadow

    Humm, this is getting very interesting now, its like watching a new breed recover from a apocalipse.

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  • Frank

    @4 I approve
    @11 For now the law is on our side, lets hope it will stay like this

    I’m surprise by the reaction of the swedish ISPs but I’m glad they’re on our side. This is the good fight :D

  • Zerphed

    I suggest you all go and send positive feedback to tele2.se :) Information belongs to the world o/

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  • Lawyer

    The people don’t like our laws?
    THEN WE MUST MAKE STRONGER LAWS!

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  • Anonymous

    Go go TPB! Lobbies can’t win this war.

  • Someone

    I’m glad to see the ISPs sticking up for their customers rights. Kinda gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside :P

    However in case new laws are passed to make ISPs store info, people will start heading to anonymous networks like I2P (i2p2.de) for their torrent and sharing needs.

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  • Parick

    AMAZING! I hope more people sign up with these ISP’s and the trend continues because it makes business sense.

    “Many of these new laws can be use in ways not even though of yet.”

    Yep, think about how in the past genocide happened because you thought / acted a certain way. Well if said crazy person wanted to know who believed in what he would know ALOT easier with all this ISP data informing him of all our activities.

    We have civil liberties for a reason.

  • herbert

    Ja, das ist meine echte email-adresse! Heute Nacht hatte ich das “Vergnügen” mit einem echten Jünger der mainstream-Presse zu kommunizieren. Das Problem, ich kenne diesen Menschen schon mein halbes Leben… Heute NAcht, wurde mir bewußt, dass Menschen, die für sich selbst denken können, in dieser Gesellschaft unerwünscht sind! Das hier ist kein Gelaber von jemanden der zu viel Zeit hat – nein, das hier ist eine Anfrage an Leute, die die Fähigkeit haben, jemanden zu folgen, der diese Gesellschaft in die Knie zwingen wird. Ich will hier keine grauen Mäuse hören – ich will Menschen, die bereit sind dieses Land, durchwachsen von Korruption, brennen zu sehen. Dieser Text ist kein Scherz, kein Spaß – dies ist die letzte Möglichkeit Freiheit zu erkämpfen! Danke.

    Yes, that is my real email-address! Tonight, i had the “fortune” to meet a real believer of the mainstream-press. The problem, i knew this men half my life… Tonight, i realized, that people, who think for themselfes, are no longer accepted in this society. This is no chatter of someone with to much time on his hands – no, this is an outcry to people, who have the ability, to follow a movement, that will bring down this system to it’s knees. I don’t want to hear them grey mice complaining – i wan’t people, who whant this land, rotten with corruption, to burn. This text is no joke, no scam – this is the last opportunity to fight for freedom! Thanks.

    I am sorry for my bad english – please, correct that text and copy it. Thank you!
    bigboy190@web.de

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