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Swiss Govt: Downloading Movies and Music Will Stay Legal

One in three people in Switzerland download unauthorized music, movies and games from the Internet and since last year the government has been wondering what to do about it. This week their response was published and it was crystal clear. Not only will downloading for personal use stay completely legal, but the copyright holders won’t suffer because of it, since people eventually spend the money saved on entertainment products.

swissIn Switzerland, just as in dozens of other countries, the entertainment industries have been complaining about dramatic losses in revenue due to online piracy.

In a response, the Swiss government has been conducting a study into the impact downloading has on society, and this week their findings were presented.

The overall conclusion of the study is that the current copyright law, under which downloading copyrighted material for personal use is permitted, doesn’t have to change.

Their report begins with noting that when it comes to copying files, the Internet has proven a game-changer. While the photocopier, audio cassette tape and VCR allowed users to make good quality copies of various media, these devices lacked a in-built distribution method. The world-wide web changed all that.

Distribution method or not, the entertainment industries have opposed all these technological inventions out of fear that their businesses would be crushed. This is not the right response according to the Swiss government, which favors the option of putting technology to good use instead of taking the repressive approach.

“Every time a new media technology has been made available, it has always been ‘abused’. This is the price we pay for progress. Winners will be those who are able to use the new technology to their advantages and losers those who missed this development and continue to follow old business models,” the report notes.

The government report further concludes that even in the current situation where piracy is rampant, the entertainment industries are not necessarily losing money. To reach this conclusion, the researchers extrapolated the findings of a study conducted by the Dutch government last year, since the countries are considered to be similar in many aspects.

The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don’t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary.

The other side of piracy, based on the Dutch study, is that downloaders are reported to be more frequent visitors to concerts, and game downloaders actually bought more games than those who didn’t. And in the music industry, lesser-know bands profit most from the sampling effect of file-sharing.

The Swiss report then goes on to review several of the repressive anti-piracy laws and regulations that have been implemented in other countries recently, such as the three-strikes Hadopi law in France. According to the report 12 million was spent on Hadopi in France this year, a figure the Swiss deem too high.

The report further states that it is questionable whether a three-strikes law would be legal in the first place, as the UN’s Human Rights Council labeled Internet access a human right. The Council specifically argued that Hadopi is a disproportionate law that should be repealed.

Other measures such as filtering or blocking content and websites are also rejected, because these would hurt freedom of speech and violate privacy protection laws. The report notes that even if these measures were implemented, there would be several ways to circumvent them.

The overall suggestion the Swiss government communicates to the entertainment industries is that they should adapt to the change in consumer behavior, or die. They see absolutely no need to change the law because downloading has no proven negative impact on the production of national culture.

Aside from downloading, it is also practically impossible for companies in Switzerland to go after casual uploaders. In 2010 the Supreme Court ruled that tracking companies are not allowed to log IP-addresses of file-sharers, making it impossible for rightsholders to gather evidence.

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  • Scary Devil Monastery

    Amazing. There are apparently sane politicians around. Good for Switzerland. :)

    • Anonymous

      Other countries can certainly learn a lot from Switzerland’s example.

      It sure is nice to see politicians sit down and logically go through the facts and figures which are often very different to what the copyright cartels would have you believe. There certainly exists the economic case that file-sharing for personal non-commercial use is beneficial to society.

      In fact I would challenge the likes to Paramount to show what file-sharing has done to their media sales in real true and accurate figures. Beyond the recession then all signs point to happy DVD and BluRay sales along with very sustainable cinema attendance thanks to 3D with strong growth in Asia,

      Since Xmas is soon here then I am sure to spend a small fortune making them rich based upon my own cinematic and musical discoveries during the past year leading to a more enjoyable xmas for all.

      The bad side of all this is of course the United States. Had I heard these same words come out of Congress then the shock would be too much and I would be found dead at my keyboard!

      • Twice Daily

        Goes to show how sane a political system can be when it’s politicians don’t depend on who gets the biggest bribe. Lobbying needs to be abolished and a ‘clean’, fair and reasoning methgod of government needs to be reestablished if the West is to keep preaching the benefits of a just, democratic ideology.

        • Hellscream Gold

          They are bribed enough when UBS slips them money under the table. Don’t think that the Swiss politicians aren’t bribed. It’s just much more sneaky – like their banking system.

        • Benjamin Stroud

          Swiss Govt: We kept Gaddafi’s money and still maintain bank accounts for torturers and mass murderers the world over, downloading a few songs is child’s play.

        • http://petercast.net Peterson Silva

          This can only be achieved if there’s no capitalism, IMHO =)

        • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

          That. Agree with Twice, Violated0 and Scarlet.

          I wonder what will be the response of the MAFIAA to this Govt report. “Swiss is ran by retards.” would be my guess.

      • StevO

        Even more, the Swiss government can go back to concentrating on things that are important.I’m sure they get pretty tired of hearing the same old diluted arguments presented over and over.

    • Guest

      Wow, must be nice to be Swiss and feel a sense of pride in your government every now and then.

      I’ve never known what that is like.

    • Anonymous

      Swiss politics are only sane because Switzerland is the only country in the world which implements direct democracy. In other words, the politicians don’t get to decide shit, they pretty much only serve as negotiators with other countries. As it should be, everywhere.

      • Mpharberts1

        True , Switzerland being a democracy where every law needs to be voted by the people by a referendum, instead of a head of state certainly is a real democracy, The countries who put tough internet laws are just police states, not better than iran or china

        • Darkwiz666

          THAT…IS SOMETHING…TOTALLY…

          …NOT STUPID. OMFG…what the fuck are we doing over here?! ):[
          Our votes dont really mean shit! SHIT!

          (? ???)?????

  • politux

    I’m moving to Switzerland. Sounds like they actually have sane people in government. I didn’t know that was possible!

    • http://www.facebook.com/svnhddsbt Derek Westlund

      i’m with you
      US land of the free to corrupt and proud to be corrupted

      • Hellscream Gold

        Good. Cya!

        • Darkwiz666

          You make it sound like he’d want to stay with YOUR retarded ass…>__>

          Turn the patriot blood nozzle off, bush…and chill the fuck owwwww-t.

    • Grumpygit

      Me too…..but ONLY if the turn their heating up :p

      • St Keller

        oh that’s simple: move to Locarno :-)

    • Anonymous

      United States citizens can stay for up to 90 days in Switzerland under visa free travel. During this time they can also visit many other neighbouring counties known as the Schengen Area as part of this same 90 days.

      Living and working in Switzerland is certainly an option and it is best to have a job agreed before the big move. Many companies in the United States also have branches in European countries and can assist your relocation. My brother did the reverse…

      Switzerland is not a Euro country and still use the Swiss Franc which currently offers a rate of 0.9168 CHF for each 1 USD.

      The largest down-side would be the local language when the majority speak German (63.7%) followed by French (20.4%) and Italian (6.5%). So anyone living and working there may need to expand but for English language speakers; then with like most of Europe, you never have to go far to find someone who knows English.

      Wages in Switzerland are comparable to the United States on average and they have strong banking and tourism markets.

      Once there you can then lawfully download all you want.

    • Anonymous

      United States citizens can stay for up to 90 days in Switzerland under visa free travel. During this time they can also visit many other neighbouring counties known as the Schengen Area as part of this same 90 days.

      Living and working in Switzerland is certainly an option and it is best to have a job agreed before the big move. Many companies in the United States also have branches in European countries and can assist your relocation. My brother did the reverse…

      Switzerland is not a Euro country and still use the Swiss Franc which currently offers a rate of 0.9168 CHF for each 1 USD.

      The largest down-side would be the local language when the majority speak German (63.7%) followed by French (20.4%) and Italian (6.5%). So anyone living and working there may need to expand but for English language speakers; then with like most of Europe, you never have to go far to find someone who knows English.

      Wages in Switzerland are comparable to the United States on average and they have strong banking and tourism markets.

      Once there you can then lawfully download all you want.

      • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

        The perfect place for me. I’ve already wanted to move to Germany, but this article convinced me that Switzerland is way better. My German is perfect, I can even understand “Schwitzerdütsch”. – A Hungarian SysAdmin.

        • Roberto Pérez

          i may even have a job offer for you! :)

      • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

        @Roberto Pérez: that was a joke, right? :)

      • Kryptonite

        It is extremely hard to get citizenship for Switzerland, even an extended stay after those 90 days. You would really have to do something special that would separate you from the vast majority, for example work at CERN.

        • Bob

          It takes a good few years to qualify for citizenship. The first step is to get a work permit, settle down and make yourself at home.

    • Anonymous

      “I’m moving to Switzerland.”
      Assuming you’re from the U.S., they don’t want you. It’s not easy to move from the U.S. to nearly anywhere in Europe. (If it were, I’d be living in Copenhagen right now.)

      • Hellscream Gold

        Druggie

      • Loved it, lost it, left it

        The waiting list for people wanting to get out of the US by emigrating to Canada or any European country is longer now than it has been in years (maybe ever), a friend who emigrated to Canada was told by a lawyer there. I’ve seen mention of a brain drain from the US, which makes sense in such a downwardly mobile society. Pity. It was a great place until the corporate looters (and the rich few who run them) took control. A merge of corporate and government power – Mussolini’s dream. Sad to watch, even from where I now live down in Mexico.

  • HollywoodAnna

    Common sense prevails in at least one country then.

  • http://twitter.com/Ihatecoryblog I hate Cory Doctorow

    the world never ceases to amaze ;)
    one day all drugs will be legal

    • Valek879

      I hope all drugs won’t be legal, because a lot of drugs truly are harmful as fuck…but I hope the ones that aren’t will be

      I am looking to you my grassy friend :D

    • Valek879

      I hope all drugs won’t be legal, because a lot of drugs truly are harmful as fuck…but I hope the ones that aren’t will be

      I am looking to you my grassy friend :D

      • Max_Freakout

        at least LSD, magic mushrooms and cannabis should be legal

        • Anonymous

          Yea, I need to experience what a trip feels like XD

        • Darkwiz666

          LSD, ‘magic’, and ‘shrooms have EXTREMELY dangerous side effects…

          Weed…NOT MANY…

          Of all the illegal drugs, Weed is really one of the few that could get bumped out of that listing…

      • Aussie Bob

        Make them all legal because someone will want to kill themselves with them and if they’re not legal they will go through illegal means which means no tax to support the health system when they OD/get sick. besides 2 of the worst are already legal.

      • StevO

        Just like Ron Paul says “Just because drugs are legal doesn’t mean everyone’s going to run out and do them.”

      • Disgusted

        Even the harmful ones should be regulated, like alcohol, not prohibited. Prohibition only creates black markets, but then that pretty well explains why the banks and politicians oppose regulation. Lots of untaxed money in black markets. Jobs, too, if you’ve joined the prison guards’ union.

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      god i bloody hope not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/emilkirkegaard Emil ‘Deleet’ Kirkegaard

        Reed somthing like this and be redy to chanj ur opinion.

        http://www.leap.cc/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/End_Prohibition_Now.pdf

        TL;DR, yes som drugs ar danjerus. No, it does not work to prohibit them. Yes, it causes mor trouble to prohibit them than to legalize them. Yes, they shud all be legalized, and som of them shud be restricted to beeing sold from drug-stors.

        • Trenton Fox

          English, please?

    • Hellscream Gold

      You really want crack, cocaine, and heroin legal? You’re a moron.

      • JackBond

        Yes, because nobody who wants them can get them, being they are illegal, right? Seriously, the crime and money surrounding drugs is 100% due to the necessity for ‘black market’ activities. Since there is a SOLID demand for these substances, keeping them illegal only serves to keep the criminals in business and our jails full. You can’t arrest your way out of a health problem, criminalization makes criminals out of people who have health issues, but our system makes every effort to punish, and almost no effort to rehabilitate. As long as these substances are illegal, there will be serious crime surrounding the production, acquisition and use of these illegal drugs… because keeping them illegal is what these criminals prefer. YOU are the moron.

        • matt

          Switzerland has quite relaxed drug laws, to the extent that there’s little drug associated crime, and drug abusers live longer – which means younger people get to see these wasted individuals and how they’ve screwed up their lives, resulting in a decrease in the number of drug users.

        • StevO

          Just like Ron Paul says “Just because drugs are legal doesn’t mean everyone’s going to run out and do them.”

        • 0000

          Stop quoting Ron Paul, that isn’t going to help you argue your point at all

      • Andy

        Maybe you should learn some facts about what you’re talking about before spouting off at someone else’s lack of intelligence. It might just save you looking like a uninformed idiot espousing his pointless personal opinion… again!

        http://www.channel4.com/programmes/our-drugs-war/episode-guide

      • A Wilson 91

        Coke? Sure, coke is (relatively) harmless when taken in moderation, same for MDMA, MKat and the like, most of these drugs are illegal on the basis of misinformation.

        If you regulate drug use you can control the quantity and the quality, if you try to prohibit them, then you end up with the current state where things like MDMA, which in small doses is no worse than Alcohol, being cut with other more harmful drugs or substances which can out right cause damage.

        There was an extremely good article in the Guardian a year or two ago written by Charlie Brooker and he hit the nail on the head – the issue with drugs isn’t the damage they causes it’s the rampant abuse by dealers who cut them with other substances to make a larger profit.

        Think of it this way, if Alcohol was illegal imagine what you’d have being sold illegally, moonshine at 80% strength mixed with washing detergent for that extra ‘kick’ which causes permanent blindness or death after a few drinks?

        Yeah I can totally see why having drugs illegal is such a good thing…….

  • Platinumc

    I’ve always wanted to live there, now there is more reason to do so :P

  • http://thegift73.wordpress.com/ Richard Gailey

    I read the whole article with a massive smile on my face.
    It seems at last that there is a government out there that actually understands modern technology as well as the massive amount of abuse that the corporations has committed due to their lack of understanding of that tech and their complete inability to adapt to it.

    Switzerland, the world salutes you. UK and other governments, pay attention and take off your blinkers.

    • Hellscream Gold

      I’m part of the world and I don’t salute those shady swissfuckers.

      • Lorenz

        shady swissfuckers??! what happened? did they deny your visa request?

      • Darkwiz666

        lol…’shady’. Apparently you haven’t lived in the U.S….

        …and if you do, wake the fuck up and go outside fatty.

    • Hellscream Gold

      I’m part of the world and I don’t salute those shady swissfuckers.

  • Cmtx

    yeah… I live in Switzerland..! The last free Country sourrounded by the EU..!

    Im now proud to have a Swiss – Passport..!

    • Henk

      cant you read, the dutch are even better they have this law AND legal weed, retard :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

      • cxyewq

        You can smoke weed in Switzerland…

      • raqu0

        The Swiss are still better even for hosting p2p websites.
        In NL, BREIN chased my ass every corner I went (obviously tried to stay because of the good network connectivity.) Eventually switched to Switzerland, haven’t had a problem since and the network is imo on par and sometimes better than when I was in NL.

      • Johnny

        Swiss is better – BREIN took my servers offline – in Switzerland my servers are up and running 24/7 sharing movies w/ the world ;-)

      • IDIOCRACY

        Yeah but the minister of justice in Holland..F. Teeven from VVD, bastard wants to change that and Brein threatens to go after single small uploaders (P2P users) if the downloads will not become illegal. Teeven ..Fred the one with the jelly jar eye glasses is from the same Political party as Neely Smit Kroes, about who you can read in a previous article making a case against law changes in favor of copywrong….. guess someone paid Teeven a lot of money or he just made a Coup in his own Party. weird…. hehe

      • Jackbond

        You aren’t terribly bright, are you Henk? Weed is not legal in the Netherlands, nor anywhere else on the planet. There are countries that ‘tolerate’ the presence of marijuana in their society, but NOWHERE is it ‘legal.’

        You don’t believe me? Look it up:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country

        • Darkwiz666

          …if the U.S. legalizes it…that’s the floodgates. They’d still have to regulate it coming into the country though…

  • Grinch

    history repeating??? yes. once again Switzerland remains neutral (in a good way).

  • http://www.peoplesnote.org Don Reba

    Kudos. The Swiss have always been a smart bunch.

  • Jimbo

    ‘The overall suggestion the Swiss government communicates to the entertainment industries is that they should adapt to the change in consumer behavior, or die. They see absolutely no need to change the law because downloading has no proven negative impact on the production of national culture.’

    thank god there is actually a government that is willing to tell it how it is and not how the entertainment industries want! people have been saying this for years but until now, governments everywhere haven’t had the balls to tell the truth, let alone tell those industries ‘progress is progress, deal with it, adapt or get out!’ other governments, particularly USA, UK, France, need to do the same instead of selling their own citizens out to protect a few over-paid execs in a dying industry. Switzerland needs to be applauded! it has had the courage to stand against these corporations. pity that so many other countries just bend over instead. bloody good on ya!!!!

    • Hellscream Gold

      Switzerland bent over to the US…your point? :)

  • Petemiller

    Wow. Now if only they could convince the draconian American Government. I doubt it though.

  • Petemiller

    Wow. Now if only they could convince the draconian American Government. I doubt it though.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    A tiny yet terribly affluent, wealthy and politically neutral Nation-State surrounded by different Countries on all its borders and located in the middle of Europe has spoken out on the topic of filesharing for no cash, no profit and no tangible gain.

    They find no harm, no loss of profit, no “theft” and indicate that so-called pirates may actually assist the very businesses who regularly and persistently attack their own customer-base due to a greed-fuelled, propaganda-based misunderstanding of thievery.

    I salute you Switzerland and your Federal Council
    http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/ejpd/de/home/dokumentation/mi/2011/2011-11-30.html

    Epic WIN

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    A tiny yet terribly affluent, wealthy and politically neutral Nation-State surrounded by different Countries on all its borders and located in the middle of Europe has spoken out on the topic of filesharing for no cash, no profit and no tangible gain.

    They find no harm, no loss of profit, no “theft” and indicate that so-called pirates may actually assist the very businesses who regularly and persistently attack their own customer-base due to a greed-fuelled, propaganda-based misunderstanding of thievery.

    I salute you Switzerland and your Federal Council
    http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/content/ejpd/de/home/dokumentation/mi/2011/2011-11-30.html

    Epic WIN

    • StevO

      Do you think that Hollywood will lash out at this? I mean especially if people start moving their web hosting to Switzerland? Start putting pressure on them? I’m just asking, not being argumentative.

      • Dr Dale

        Maybe it’s a good business decision for the Swiss. All the P2P’s can move their operations there and increase Swiss business and domestic income. Works for me, I’m an American from Swiss descent and I have a Swiss last name. I plan on retiring there once the dollar implodes and the US becomes a bankrupt 3rd world country ruled by the UN and the world bankers.

  • Guest

    It’s about time some human logical reason from part of Swiss government.

  • Sinfreekiller

    If SOPA or PIPA (or both) pass I see a great rush to relocate torrent sites to Switzerland. I wish my country (UK) was a democratic and free of corruption as Switzerland.

  • It’s a fit-up

    “Every time a new media technology has been made available, it has always been ‘abused’. This is the price we pay for progress. Winners will be those who are able to use the new technology to their advantages and losers those who missed this development and continue to follow old business models,”

    This is why the outdated music industry has allowed the likes of Apple to gain such massive footholds in digital distribution with iTunes, they just sat back and moaned about pirates while Apple built up a billion dollar business.

  • http://twitter.com/raskhadafi Roman Simecek

    These day I’m lucky to live here in Switzerland!

    I think it’s the right way to let the downloading stay legal cause it’s the nation as one who makes law and not some companies.
    In a free country the law is from the people for the people and not to repress a hole nation only cause a few people are lossing a little money!!

  • Excds

    Massive outbreak of common sense discovered in Switzerland. Fantastic! :-)

  • SF

    This most likely has something to do with Switzerland being extremely democratic, I believe the people can vote about pretty much anything they want if they can get enough signatures to support a public vote and the government has to follow the peoples decision. (In most other democratic countries the people only get to vote every X years to decide which idiots they want to get raped by for the next X years).

  • Harry

    Piratebay should greet Swiz in their home page!

  • Anonymous

    SF: That’s right, you can read more about this here: http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/rs/101/index.html (starting at art. 138 Cst.). The initiative allows to amend the Constitution (or make a complete new one). The initiative has gotten some bad press due to the “Minaret bans”. Pretty sure you’ve heard of this.

    And the referendum is to say “no” to new Federal laws or a change of them.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like Switzerland is destined to become the new hosting leader.

    • Johnny

      Yeah but hosting is a commercial thing – even sites like Mediafire – yes they are legal but still profit from the files you upload (as they generate traffic which generates ad money / premium account money). I host my websites on Swiss servers – the datacenter still asks me to remove files hosted … I’m confused about what is legal and what isn’t…?

  • http://profiles.google.com/bogorad bogorad

    A friend of mine who’s been living there for 8+ years claims that all this is just talk and so is beyond the point. He says that a 5-year-old law states that ANY file-sharing network, including Bittorent is ILLEGAL. You go to jail just for participating in a bittorrent swarm. Any comments?

    • Ajleece

      No, file sharing networks are not illegal. The content you MAY download, however, is illegal to download/share. Bittorrent (p2p) is perfectly legal.

    • swiss guy

      Its not that simple, you cant say P2P is totally legal. According to our law, it is legal to DOWNload stuff (well not 100% its some kind of grey zone and you wont get charged for it if thats understandable), however UPloading is completely illegal like in most other countries too. So if you download films/music/games/etc from filehosting websites you dont commit a crime, but if you use Bittorrent or similar programs that use P2P, in which case the programm automatically uploads parts of what you are downloading, you’re could get in trouble too…

      • Darkwiz666

        Set upload limit : 0 KB/s. Win.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Bittorrent is a protocol used extensively for third-party application updates and general information distribution. As for file-sharing networks being illegal – no. Partaking in copyright infringement may under many jurisdictions be illegal, but the fact of the matter is, legal software distribution is a far far larger part of most filesharing networks than the illegal one. Irrespective of falsified industry claims.

      • http://profiles.google.com/bogorad bogorad

        blah-blah-blah, you’re preaching to the choir. the point is, it’s all talk. you could get sued just for downloading a movie via bittorrent – since you’re gonna be uploading as well, BY DESIGN.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          Of course. But that’s not “P2P”. That’s using p2p technology to share copyrighted material illegally.

          And the reason I ‘m being an anal retentive about that is simply because we have enough FUD coming from the pro-copywrong cartels regarding the illegality of “certain technological protocols” in general without confusing the issue ourselves for readers who might not be as savvy.

  • http://twitter.com/ivanjovanovic Ivan Jovanovic

    - So what are you for? Democrats, Republicans?
    - I’m Swiss.
    - Well, what that means?
    - I use common sense :)

    • Darkwiz666

      Fuck the Teaparty…

      We need a Swisscheese party!!!

  • Bo Ulrich

    Has Rick Falkvinge gone Swiss?

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      No, he’s more or less arguing that the rest of Europe should go that way.

      We have some success in Germany, so far. And in the EU parliament though it’s slow going.

  • Bor Kolaric

    That’s how all political decision – making should be. First check the facts instead of just jumping to presumptions and conclusions made by lobbyists.
    This is really a ground breaking decision and I sincerely hope also an influential one.

  • GabrielofDwelve

    God I love being Swiss. Excuse me, some Zopf to eat!

    • Elfolnx

      Download is legal, sharing (I.e upload) it is not.

      Cannabis growing is legal provide you announce yourself and prove you don’t grow it as a droug (I.e. ridicolously low tic percentage)

    • Elfolnx

      Download is legal, sharing (I.e upload) it is not.

      Cannabis growing is legal provide you announce yourself and prove you don’t grow it as a droug (I.e. ridicolously low tic percentage)

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  • Magdalena Meyer

    For Switzerland it’s actually a lot easier to reach this conclution, than for say the USA, because we don’t have the kind of over the top mainstream entertainment industry (like Hollywood etc.). Therefor we don’t have anthing to loose at all, because for small groups and productions piracy isn’t a problem, but being unknown is. What I find somewhat funny is, that at the same time as they come to this rather pragmatic, rational conclusion, our government allows use of trojans to surveil their citizens (just for potential terrorists and the like they claim) and want ISPs to build infrastructure for real-time surveillance.. While Switzerland may seem rather tolerant when i comes to copright etc., they sure as hell want to know what their citizens are doing.
    Sry for being a bit off-topic, but as it’s a hot topic at the moment, I couldn’t resist to rant a bit.

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      Aaaarrr! Begone, spammer! –flagged–

  • tsx

    Hooray for us!
    It all makes sense.

    // Swiss dude out

  • Mwhahaha

    Finally, a country with some sense!

    It think to add to “people eventually spend the money saved on entertainment products” you can possibly make a case for that money is now being spent on things people actually really like, as opposed to money spent to see or buy a film (etc) they may or may not like with no way of getting their money back if it sucks.
    (See half of Hollywood’s output for further details.)

    If this *is* the case then even better because it will raise the overall quality in terms of output and we won’t be served up the same awful trash over and over again.
    (See “Sandler, Adam” for further details.)

    • Lorenz

      WOOOOORD!!!!

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  • Kr0nZ

    What’s the hell is this, an authority figure agreeing with what we have been saying all along!!!!!

    Where’s our beloved MAFIAA Anon troll, I would love to here what they have to say

    I’m a British citizen, can I move to Switzerland????

  • Kr0nZ

    What’s the hell is this, an authority figure agreeing with what we have been saying all along!!!!!

    Where’s our beloved MAFIAA Anon troll, I would love to here what they have to say

    I’m a British citizen, can I move to Switzerland????

    • Anonymous

      Of course you can. Switzerland is not part of the EU but still subscribes to the same “freedom of movement” policy. So as a EU citizen you can certainly go to Switzerland to live and work as freely as a Swiss national.

      If you have any further visa ponderings then this page will advise you…
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_British_nationals

  • ayman

    I felt like reading some news from the far future!

  • Zan

    Next week American Intelligence agencies will discover a swiss terrorist plot to blow up the white house.

    America will have no choice but to send peace keepers to switzerland to re-educate the politicians, by force if nessasary.

    Im joking of course but i bet a few US politicians are foaming at the mouth right now.

  • Truesome

    “The overall suggestion the Swiss government communicates to the entertainment industries is that they should adapt to the change in consumer behavior, or die.”

    Well, this sounds cool but the last bit “or die.” has been added by the authors of TF. The original article doesn’t express in this explicit way.

    In the end, its a very conservative state, that wants things to stay the way they are… ^^

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  • Alyssa Blindy

    I must be dreaming. This can’t be real. This is insane; the government is absolutely right, and there’s no way this is possible. Lol.
    I think this is because Switzerland is so neutral, and they don’t get their noses in everyone’s business.

  • Anonymous

    God bless you Swiss!! Are you accepting any immigrants!!??

    • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

      You’re welcome.

  • Anonymous

    To be honest, I still am floored by the fact that discussions of peak attention and content as commodity are never discussed.

    Commoditization depresses results in downward price elasticity. This is econ 101.

    I cannot believe that people are not regularly beating Big Content over the head with this argument. What the companies represented by the RIAA and MPAA want to charge for movies, music and books is completely out of line with the reality of the market today.

    There are so many people producing good free content today that I, and most people I know, will only pay for content that offers good value. If there isn’t good value, I just go elsewhere. Anyone who is a redditor knows this. It’s easier to waste more hours on Reddit with free user generated content than flipping channels on the TV. When you are competing with free you can’t charge $1 per song or $3 to rent a movie any longer unless that particular piece of content offers that much value relative to the free content.

    Take the NYTimes paywall for example. I hit my allotted 20 article limit per month in the first few days of the month. Every time I come across a NYTimes article for the rest of the month that is paywalled, I just close that tab and move on to one of the several dozen other tabs I have open in my browser. Paying a one month recurring subscription is too much.

    If, however, NYTimes articles cost 5-10 cents a piece and I could read 1/3 to 1/2 of the article before making the purchasing decision (behaviorally by simply clicking to the next page or scrolling down), I’d be more than happy to consume that way.

    What’s a fair price for content these days? As high as you can charge so it is an impulse purchase without a cognitive burden, which for most content is between a penny and a quarter.

  • http://www.techblaster.net/ Techmaker

    Who will give me the money to visit Switzerland? :D

    • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

      You can fly from anywhere in Europe to Switzerland for as little as $25 per flight, all inclusive, using Easyjet.com for example. The Geneva airport for example is nice. We have nice mountains if you want to look around.

  • Krisox57

    Switzerland, is not the only one country where downloading movies music is legal same thing in Israel you can find their many unsecured wireless networks in buildings and you can download copyrighted material how much you want, and nobody will catch you for it, its America that acting like a nazi about this issue. :)

    • anti mafia

      you are probably wrong in israel it’s illegal and piracy sites

      already closed because of that

    • Wg233

      yeah–but realistically, who the hell wants to visit(an armed camp) I mean IIsrael?! FOR ANY REASON? I’m sorry -there’s just no grounds for comparison, ROTFLMAO-

  • http://travismccrea.com Travis McCrea

    I am just curious to see what our friend Anon has to say (bitch) about this?

    • AnonSucks

      Oh and you know he WILL have something to say (bitch) about this. I’m thinking something along the lines of “well they’re a minority country with no real influence”, something like that. It’s what he always uses whenever a group appears and starts making such changes and decisions. First it’s “well do something about it, but you’re all such a minority worldwide that it won’t amount to anything”. Then when it happens, he dismisses it anyway “because it’s still a minority amount of thieves wanting to steal stuff”.

      Then again, I’m interested to see what the new trolls will say about this. There’s been a ton recently. Two are played by the same person. But there’s about 3 others, not counting Anon and those “two”.

      They literally start foaming at the mouth when they see things like this happening. It pretty much is a slap in the face to everything they say. Apparently, the minority is them, and they know it. Hence all the big talk and put downs. When you’re scared, you resort to such actions. When you’re not, well…. you’ve got nothing to prove so you don’t even need to say a word.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      The same he has to say about everything else? That because of his personal opinion it is perfectly viable to toss jurisprudence over board, that one person copying information from another is tantamount to murder, and that human rights are a negotiable commodity.

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    I disagree with this assessment. Piracy is indirect theft. The producers are not getting paid for their work, thus money is being taken out of their pockets. This is thievery.

    It matters not if people spend the same amount of money overall when they pirate. The logic that the copyright holders will not be hurt because of this is unproved. Simply because the economy’s overall revenue is constant does not mean that the correct revenue streams are being paid the correct amount of money. How would you like it if you lost $5 an hour from your paycheck and had it given to another person under the logic that if the company pays the same amount of money overall, that you should be happy? It’s really a train wreck of logic.

    You’d think Switzerland, whose primary export is an intangible good (relative economic stability and banking) would better understand the value of protecting others’ intangible goods (digital content).

    • Fredrika

      > “Piracy is indirect theft.”

      No.

      > “The producers are not getting paid for their work, thus money is being taken out of their pockets.”

      Producers have never been paid for their work by consumers. They are paid for what they sell.

      > “This is thievery.”

      Failure to sell does not mean that thievery has taken place, it means you are a failed entrepreneur.

      > “The logic that the copyright holders will not be hurt because of this is unproved.”

      You seem to be confused about what that need to be proven? What should be proven is that it does hurt them which it hasn’t.

      > “Simply because the economy’s overall revenue is constant does not mean that the correct revenue streams are being paid the correct amount of money.”

      Correct revenues? Revenues originate at the seller of the goods or the service. How those revenues are later distributed to different parties is in no way a problem for politicians, consumers or people filesharing. That’s a contractual issue between producers, distributors and sellers.

      If someone feels left out of those correct revenues, it’s because he has failed to write a contract, that leaves him feeling satisfied for the service he has provided.

      > “How would you like it if you lost $5 an hour from your paycheck and had it given to another person under the logic that if the company pays the same amount of money overall, that you should be happy? It’s really a train wreck of logic.”

      Yes it is, on your part, because you just compared an in advance ordered job in return for in advance contracted salary, with an entrepreneurs free choosing of taking a risk with sinking costs into creating something no one asked him to create, which he later failed to sell. Those a re obviously two completely different things, and the latter obviously has no right to any monetary reward. He failed to sell anything, that equals zero revenues, unless you are against the free market and advocate planned economy?.

      > “You’d think Switzerland, whose primary export is an intangible good (relative economic stability and banking) would better understand the value of protecting others’ intangible goods (digital content).”

      As we can see from your confused and flawed reasoning, they got i right, you didn’t.

    • Goodbyenoway

      Really? Producers are not being paid for their work? Really? What do you think it is they got when they first created the item? Chicken feed? The writers, producers, actors, etc. get thousands, millions when they do their job. But once their job is completed they want to continue getting paid in perpetuity for as long as they live … well, no, even after they die as some of those producers, writers, and actors are paid 50 or 60 years after their deaths for work that they produced several lifetimes ago.

      It’s the most obscene system ever created and it’s kept alive by lobbies who have more money than sane people.

    • Anonymous

      It is not helpful to come here and call some of the biggest content consumers (and buyers) around as “thieves”. Still I understand how many in the copyright side can be upset with this news.

      This Copyright War is not actually about money but one of control and unlike their desire for new laws like SOPA this is a War they are actually losing.

      A good example comes from published RIAA figure when their best ever sales time was back in the 60s, the 70s were nice, the 80s was great, but strange things happened in the 90s. During the 90s the market crashed into major decline. Since large scale music piracy only began in 2003 then piracy was not to blame and the only conclusion can be is that the general public liked the music less.

      So here they were post 2000 with barely a bean between them and in need of a miracle. I would not call piracy as their miracle but it was still a good painful kick in the gonads that got things moving. Free download music attracted more people into music and even if they downloaded 10,000 music tracks they were just looking around for music they liked.

      Many companies did embrace this new market with MP3 and MP4 players and music on your phone. The only people to really object was the RIAA who have done more than a few court cases.

      The thing is that the RIAA lost this War. Look at your MP3s and FLAC files when if these were RIAA created and endorsed then you would see things like encryption and content control. They of course did try and lose with DRM.

      The companies that did embrace this change and innovate are the current market leaders like Apple and their iTunes store or adverts for their iPod Nano. This is perfectly valid when post 2000 the RIAA companies had no web content and were stuck in their old tried and tested business models, stuck on CD sales, and in general allowing the market to stagnate.

      So now the public have control of the music market and guess what the RIAA still make good money when their published sales figures show good growth year after year leading to the best sales year post 2000 of 2011. Even with piracy around people know they should pay for that they enjoy and after hearing a nice song it is hardly hard to spend $0.99 on iTunes or the other official music sites.

      So now it is Hollywood’s turn but instead of embracing change and innovation they are fighting hard to protect their old markets and business models. Court action, new laws and much more. Politics does need to recognise this change and not to try to stop it.

      The public controlling the markets is how things should be. They are the ones to demand change, the new, innovation. They have the money these companies want to obtain. Artist creations can only find greatness in the eyes of the consumers.

      Now with NetFlix they are heading in the right direction but they did make a pricing error with their price hike. Such a market is still new and they need to ensure the majority experiences their service.

      The public taking back control of the markets does not make them “thieves” when they should not have lost control in the first place.

    • Guest

      You’re right, it is thievery – how GEMA takes money for artists they don’t represent; how SoundExchange conveniently manages to not be able to find the artists they need to pay; how Star Wars made a loss such that the company failed to pay its actors (refer to Hollywood accounting); how everyone owes the industry money in lost sales enough to rival Nigerian 419 scams…

      Oh, wait, what? That’s not what you’re talking about? Your point sucks, then.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “Piracy is indirect theft. The producers are not getting paid for their work, thus money is being taken out of their pockets. This is thievery.”

      Every court in every land already begs to differ with your assessment. Copyright infringement is not theft.

      Your argument is thus irrelevant.

      Your further arguments are equally irrelevant. You assume, with your example of the paycheck, that a download equates a lost sale. Were that true then somehow “piracy” makes up more than 42 times the worth of the entire world economy.

      The fact of the matter is that people – including pirates – already spend as much on media as they would if piracy didn’t exist. This has been demonstrably verified many times over in government-funded scientific peer-reviewed studies. If anything, those same studies indicate that piracy actually stimulates demand which means more money is spent under a pirate paradigm than would be spent without piracy.

      Your “logic” is based on a “Locke’s Madman”. I.e. you try to make an accurate prediction based on false premises. There’s your train wreck for you.

      I’ll be generous and assume your ignorance in this matter.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Oh, and as for “intangible good”?

      Switzerland provides SERVICES. Not “intellectual property”. No matter which way you slice it, mere information is not currency.

  • Guest

    hallelujah

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  • Goodbyenoway

    And every time I hear one of the entertainment lobbies throw around sales figures declining I want to laugh out loud. Did you ever think that your sales are declining because people don’t want to buy the shitty products you are producing?

    There has not been one shred of evidence that filesharing has directly caused revenue declines. None, nada, nothing.

    And as the Swiss — and this stance almost, but not quite, makes one want to forgive their collaboration with the Nazis — have proven in their study it … filesharing didn’t cause any revenues to decline.

    The arguments fall away each day. I hope someone will bring this Swiss study to the attention of the bozos in Congress here in the USA!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      I get more laughs out of those propaganda pieces than I do out of what passes for comedy from hollywood these days.

  • Goodbyenoway

    And every time I hear one of the entertainment lobbies throw around sales figures declining I want to laugh out loud. Did you ever think that your sales are declining because people don’t want to buy the shitty products you are producing?

    There has not been one shred of evidence that filesharing has directly caused revenue declines. None, nada, nothing.

    And as the Swiss — and this stance almost, but not quite, makes one want to forgive their collaboration with the Nazis — have proven in their study it … filesharing didn’t cause any revenues to decline.

    The arguments fall away each day. I hope someone will bring this Swiss study to the attention of the bozos in Congress here in the USA!!!!!!!

  • John Space

    I never thought I’d feel sympathy for a fiscal paradise!

    • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

      Switzerland sure is a fiscal paradise for the few very rich, but if you look around, at the occupy wall street protests for example, fiscality seems pretty f$%cked up and unfair at most other places in the world also. Reading some stuff it seems most other countries also have tax free policies for foreigners, for example there is a place just outside London where rich foreigners can live and pay nearly no taxes, same in France, in Delaware there are plenty of tax loopholes, etc.

      • Goodbyenoway

        Occupy Wall Street is just another “1%.” They’re all white, all privileged, all lazy, all dirty. They no more represent 99% than Wall Street does. They’re a bunch of unemployed white people with degrees they can’t use who are too stoned to get real jobs. Puh-Leeze. They’re just as bad as ANON. They want something for nothing.

  • http://twitter.com/nirvan5a nirvan5a

    Man, Switzerland is total opposite of USA. Which is good. No war, no, no money problems. No worry about copyrights and shit. Total peace, gotta love it about Switzerland.

    • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

      We also got the best chocolate, the best cheese, the best wine, the best mountains for skiing, all our women are beautiful, $25-flights to visit any other place in Europe using Easyjet.com, electronics are quite cheap at TopPreise.ch with a low 8% VAT rate (lower than the 15-25% usual EU VAT tax rate). Though there still are many things that can be improved.

      • Goodbyenoway

        Remember that line from The Third Man?

        “The Renaissance under the Borgias gave us rape, murder, etc. and we got Leonardo, Michelangelo …
        500 years of peace and democracy in Switzerland and what was produced? The cuckoo clock.”

        I’m paraphrasing. We can now add no anti-piracy laws and the cuckoo clock! :):)

        • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

          Jean-Luc Godard is Swiss. Albert Einstein, Paul Klee, Alberto Giacometti, Jean Tinguely were all Swiss.

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  • Phil Landry

    Finally some sense! There is a simple economic law: every dollar earned, is a dollar spent. Dah!
    This paragraph resumes the situation pretty well: ”The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don’t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary. ”

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      This has been known – not guessed but KNOWN – for the last ten years or more, thanks to a number of studies performed on this issue.

      However, there’s a lot of money invested in shouting down the evidence of that.

  • Phil Landry

    Finally some sense! There is a simple economic law: every dollar earned, is a dollar spent. Dah!
    This paragraph resumes the situation pretty well: ”The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don’t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary. ”

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  • ANON1

    I’m going to send a copy of this to the Opposition Parties in Canada, maybe Charlie Angus and crew can make Harper and the boys think twice before passing their crazy new Copyright law.

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  • Anonymous

    Too funny. Yeah, save money by stealing this film and then go spend the money you saved bowling. I’m sure the filmmakers will be able to pay the rent that way (if they own the bowling alley).

    • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

      Cinema tickets are selling like never before. All Film Festivals in Switzerland are always sold out. If the Film makers want to get paid some more, they need to ask Google to monetize online video better, and they could ask the Government to create a new tax around 5CHF/month that can be used to compensate content based on measured popularity and quality.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        Agreed on the tax. I would be willing to pay up to 200 dollars a year if I could download movies, music and tv shows (not games, since they cost more to make) online without having to worry about being sued.

        • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

          If everyone in Europe, USA and few other rich regions of the world pay $200 per year for content, that’s $200 Billion per year. That should be more than enough to monetize the current content industry. I believe the global music industry is for example below $20 Billion per year. Movies are perhaps about as much. Games also about as much. Ebooks and other types of text are less. Applications are less. I think $100 Billion per year should be more than enough to monetize the work of double as much content as is being produced today under the current private system.

        • Goodbyenoway

          Just get a seedbox for $15 per month and you’ll be safe. It’s less than $200.

        • Artivision

          Games cost less than movies.

        • Anonymous

          We tried something like that in Canada – a levy on recordable media such as blank CD’s. The money for that went to the rightsholder (I think its singular in fact) to compensate for CD ripping and burning. This was pre-Napster era but they same group is now crying foul again that they want iPod tax and who knows what else. The problem with a tax now is the industry can just lobby for more and more. It’s a slippery slope.

      • Hans-Rüedi

        “Cinema tickets are selling like never before.”

        dunno about that but if it’s the case, my guess it’s because of the language barrier…you either watch it in French or German (i dunno about Italian, i’m just one of those criminally neglecting Ticino), hardly ever English with S-T…cinemas airing original versions (with S-T) are often almost empty…why am i bringing this up? by the time these people get to download their films in either German or French, there’s already sth new that “one has to watch”…and if you’re part of those for whom language isn’t a problem, you’re in the friggin minority, so get over yourself…

        • http://ARMdevices.net/ Charbax

          Nah, all the movies are also shown in original version English with subtitles, all those Cinemas are always full also. And that even as Cinema tickets are insanely expensive.

    • Oomg

      no… they will just make a other version of media format and player and sell all they have again for a 10 time

      • Jrennison84@hotmail.com

        Wow, what clear minded sensible governence truly representing the best interests of everyone bar the minority of people who own / run record companies who refuse to be innovative and move with times. Nothing is forever, need to accept and adapt to change

    • Goodbyenoway

      WillaLavie: Try reading your posts out loud in front of mirror. It will become more obvious to you how completely stupid they are.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Yeah…which is, I suppose, is why half a dozen serious government-funded studies have concluded that “pirates” if anything, spend far more on direct media purchases than do the average people.

      So no, the money “saved” goes to media, not bowling.

      It astonishes me how serious scientific studies can prove conclusively that pirates invest far more on media purchases and it all gets tossed over by your “brilliant and enlightened” personal opinion.

      That is indeed too funny. But I’m afraid the jokes on you.

      • Ogra

        I can say that I’ve never been to fond of those studies because I think too much meaning is derived from them. While it is true that pirates purchase far more media, I’ve never seen a study showing that actually being a pirate was the determining trait. It has always seemed more logical to me that it works the other way around; that people who already buy more media become pirates. Unfortunately, no study has ever reached a real conclusion on this either way.

        That’s not quite disputing what you said, just a problem I’ve always had.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    As we keep on pointing out: MANY times we have already paid for these things that we are ‘pirating’ in some manner.

    Especially for movies, TV shows, and music.

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    i bought it so i want to shear
    it, like that it should be legal

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  • Pogster_13

    wow, amazing swiss.
    because of this, i was able to think for a conclusion, and that is,

    Many companies are afraid to lose PROFIT. even though they earn more than a Billion.

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  • Anonymous

    I have been thinking about one thing. Politics should always be about what is best for their society and what improves public life. Politics funding companies or add laws for their gain should also be about what is best for their society and public life.

    File sharing is a great gain to improve society and improves public life. People always need and seek good entertainment and avoiding wasting money on poor entertainment is a good gain.

    The only concern in all this is content creation and to make sure there is not a sizeable decline or the end of media creation. File sharing is a massive enough market to say that it is NOT harming commercial sales or content creation. Even if there was some decline this could be made up in other ways.

    Linked technical systems is also improving media creation by putting artists directly in touch with their fans and buyers. No more middle men and women taking their huge cut and to maximise their profit at artist and buyer loss. This is not to say that the old markets are still not there for those who want to use them.

    The truth of the matter is though that any musician these days can get started with only $200 professional recording studio software and a great microphone. Upload to iTunes or burn their own CDs and all done and watch the fame and profit flow in.

    This is very different to a million dollar recording contract that claws all that money back by using their own recording studios etc with extra high costs. Musicians often live in poverty and only about 1 in 10 go on to be rich and famous. That is provided all those middlemen do not rip them off.

    Professional song writers always have a market when they only ever need to find out a great singer or band worthy of their chart topping songs. Advertising can still be done under the new technology and of course a great song sells itself.

    Things are harder in movie creations. My long standing question is could the new market make a highly technology movie like Avatar? My answer to that is always “no” or at least “not yet”. This is not to say that things have to change there when old market life still goes on.

    Clearly lower technology movies can be made using the new technology and distributed online but I feel that this market still needs to get together all the profession people to put their input in making movies better.

    The way I currently see the video market is like in the case of Tripping the Rift where this first video clip won an online creation competition and many awards. This was then picked up by a network and much improved to go on to make a TV series.

    Then we also have the case of Paranormal Activity which was made using only a handful of people and a $20,000 budget, They of course did extremely well and created a theme used in other movies like Apollo 18. Paranormal Activity of course took a while to be took up by the old market and went on to make a couple of million profit. The strange part here is that the follow on of Paranormal Activity 2 was a professional old market creation with a budget 100 times higher. This movie is clearly a professional creation and very polished but number 2 has a lower IMDB score to number 1 meaning people liked it a bit less. They have of course now done a number 3 which is rated higher than 2 but less than 1.

    So in all the new market cannot do what the old market can and that is something that needs much improvement. Maybe Creative Commons can help there by being more than just a label.

    Anyway trying to outlaw file sharing is NOT what is best for society or public life.

    • Anon

      This is so ignorant it’s hardly worth the electrons. You need to do a lot of homework. The fact’s are very different; marginal recording art forms like opera or bluegress do not profit and have been maintained through the reallocation of profits from mass market successes like Britney and Justin, and all at the grace and largesse of the industries. Saying “let it die out then” is like saying why keep Picasso’s or Van Gogh’s on file at great expense when less than 1/2 of 1% of the population even cares. It’s so painfully stupid even high schoolers get it.

      I’ll say one thing about the internet. Even stunningly ignorant ideas like the “wisdom” above can now find widespread broadcast. And this is being cast as an improvement.

      • Anonymous

        Are you trying to tell me that all opera/bluegrass is at the mercy of the industries? Bullshit. I watched a local Play fairly recently which made a decent profit and was paid for by ticket sales and a few sponsors.

        And he’s right about letting it die out. Entertainment changes, and if such a small percent of the population are the only ones who care, then they’ll keep it going. I understand the need to keep the irreplaceable safe (which is why we have museums), but any bunch of kids can stand up on a stage and act out a play. Without the industries, even the old art would live on.

        Cite your sources if you’re going to make blanket statements. Time and time again you’ve proven yourself to be an ignorant troll who likes to play loose with facts, so you’d do well to back your arguments up with sources if you want people to start siding with you.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “marginal recording art forms like opera or bluegress do not profit and have been maintained through the reallocation of profits from mass market successes like Britney and Justin, and all at the grace and largesse of the industries.”

        UTTER bull. If “successes” like Britney and Justin B were required to keep van Gogh and Picasso on the shelves then those worthies wouldn’t have survived the last few hundred years at all. The “largesse” of industries and donations made by art appreciators/funding by governments have always been what kept the great classics around.

        It’s a great attempt to rewrite history but no – not even close to a cigar. Once again you prove that “facts” are an undesired item as far as you’re concerned.

      • Anonymous

        I never said “let it die out”. Instead what I said is that a much lower cost direct artist to consumer market is now available which cuts out the middlemen and their unreasonable charges. I also said that the old market and distribution is still available for those who want to use it.

        I never touched on the subject of “dying out” but I fully support an open market and fair competition instead of the current monopoly. The market will always have success and failures with public likes and dislikes. Art investment can still be done in worthy areas for those who want to.

        It is interesting you mention Van Gogh when this was clearly an artist who received no social help at all during his life and was a fool or madman to many in his society. His paintings were near worthless and commonly traded for alcohol and other things he needed. Only years after his suicide did the art world realise that he was about the greatest painter to ever live by being an artist who could successfully express his emotions in his paintings even if his expressed emotion was one of great sadness.

        That tells us nothing about the market when he simply loved to paint and he could just about manage on the rare traded painting and the generosity of his friends. Even if one did cut off his ear in a drunken flight.

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    I think the concept should be expanded. If I go onto a car lot and just take a car I’ll have all that extra money to spend other thing thus helping the economy. Hell if I just walked out without paying for my groceries I could afford to eat out more often.

    • Anon

      lol

      +1.

      • TrollingTheTrolls

        Yes, we all “lol” at all of your comments. Your stupidity and rants are always good for a laugh. Since there’s no facts in them (cited or otherwise). They’re essentially great big jokes for the community. Much like you.

    • TrollingTheTrolls

      If you could make a perfect copy thus leaving the original there, that’d be fine and thus in line with this. Thus allowable for expanding.

      Otherwise, you’re just another idiot like Anon who doesn’t like what’s going on and wagging a finger and trying to dismiss out of hand.

      Grow the fuck up. Idiot.

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    • Anonymous

      I’m also Canadian but I don’t blame the new copyright bill on being Canadian per se. I do blame the US for pressuring our government to enact a bill that might just be worse than the DMCA. (The US pressure has been well documented thanks to Wikileaks.) I’m still proud to be Canadian but I’m not proud of our current government nor my ill informed country mates who vote in majority governments that force poor legislation on us.

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