Teen Arrested for Recording 20 Second Movie Clip
Written by Ernesto on August 02, 2007Jhannet Sejas, a 19 year old girl was immediately arrested by the police after she recorded a 20 second clip from the movie “Transformers” that she wanted to show to her little brother. She now faces up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.
Sejas was celebrating her 19th Birthday with her boyfriend in a local theater in Arlington. A few minutes after she taped the short clip the police came rushing in and took her into custody on the charges of “being a pirate”.
Sejas and her boyfriend were promptly escorted out of the movie theater, still confused about what just happened. “I was crying, I’ve never been in trouble before.”, she later said in a response to the trip to the police station.
Of course Sejas had no intention to sell the 600 millisecond clip, she wasn’t even planning to put it on YouTube. The only thing she wanted to do was show it to her 13 year old brother, who was dying to see the movie himself. Unluckily theater owners just introduced their new zero-tolerance policy since everyone can be a pirate.
Kendrick Macdowell, a representative National Association of Theater Owners said in a response: “We cannot educate theater managers to be judges and juries in what is acceptable. Theater managers cannot distinguish between good and bad stealing.”
Good and bad stealing? Nuts!, the guy obviously has no clue what he’s talking about. If all theater owners treat their customers like this they will start to lose even more money than they already do now. And guess who they will be blaming? Right, Pirates.
Sejas will go to trial later this month for recording a motion picture without permission, and is facing up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine. Seriously unbelievable.
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165 Responses
‘go to trial’
big MPAA mistake; which side is the jury going to believe?
haven’t been to a cinema in over a decade.. just as well.
A decade? guess what? i took out a cell phone in a theatre recently, to check the time, and put it on vibrate. a guy can down from the projection box apparently, asked to see my phone. i ask why, he says to check if it had a camera. this was before the lights were dimmed, durring PREVIEWS. who takes a single picture of MOVING FILM in DARKNESS, or of an ad in any form?
Absolutely appauling behavior on the Authorities’ and the Theatre manager’s part.
It may have been another story if they had just checked the content she’d recorded and left her be.
But they always have to take it way too far;
a $2500 fine for fuck sake!
Christ, id organise a boycott of that establishment until an apology is given to that poor girl.
Next week, the MPAA will require all movie goes be strip searched before entering theaters and will force those wishing to attend to watch the movie in the nude at gun point.
Pitiful.
BOYCOTT the MPAA!
This is such nonsense.
What will the next step be?
Bear-maze in the eyes of everyone who reaches for their cellphones?
I havent been in a few years to cinema… Because of crap like this.. (Mainly treating customers like crap)
My local theater is run by what amounts to the mentally retarded.
They couldn’t tell a movie pirate from an empty soda cup.
As such, I don’t have too much of a problem supporting that particular establishment… never the less, the only movie I’ve seen in the theater in YEARS is the simpsons movie… but c’mon, it’s the simpsons!
How stupid. Maybe it wasn’t the smartest thing to do, but she should have just been given a scare with the cops and told not to do it. Don’t actually put charges against her.
Most people don’t even know Cam rips exist, I bet she recorded it from her mobile too. This is a little ambiguous, but 20 seconds would really make me think cell phone.
This is simply pathetic, That poor woman!
I won’t be going to the cinema ever again.
This is why I hate movie theaters… Including the very annoying teenagers that won’t shut up and the kicking of the back of my seat… Theaters can suck a nut if they continue with policies like this.
simply because of this story, I have a strong urge to boycott movie theaters. this is how you lose money, and just because of the ridiculousness of this situation(seriously, call the police? why not just eject a pirate from your theater? i’m surprised the cops even showed up.) i will now “pirate” all my movies instead of paying almost 15 bucks for a ticket to a movie.
This is so sick
This is the USA our forefathers founded.
Death to the police state.
This almost made me literally be sick… This is ho you turn customers against you, good job idiots.
Feel so sorry for the girl…
That is really sad. What has our world come to? Charges against a 19 year old girl for pirating 20 seconds of a film?
/I agree with the teenagers that won’t shut up, however, not ALL of them are like that.
I most certainly am not, even though I’m only 16 - thinking everyone is the same is really what leads up to these things.
Hope she sues for emotional distress brought on by a ridiculously frivolous charge.
Does no-one have the necessary humanity left to make the obvious distinction between real “piracy”, and the harmless act of recording a snippet of a movie on mobile phone?
Brainless beureaucratic automatons.
lol. pirate girl, she knew wht she was doing
Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws.
This girl broke the law, plain and simple. Don’t like the law? Petition to get it changed; whining in a blog’s comments’ section is so 2004.
Make a change, not a comment.
“Aug 03, 2007 at 02:44 by blahQuote blah
This almost made me literally be sick… This is ho you turn customers against you, good job idiots.
Feel so sorry for the girl…”
— Hey, no need to call her a “ho”!
:))
(kidding)
[quote]You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame.[/quote]
Sorry, but sharing is not stealing ;) No matter how the profit obsessed capitalists want to change the definition of stealing to suit them and their goals.
Well she knew the rules going into it. She choose to break the rules.
Cant afford to pay the fine, don’t do the crime!
Simple enough!
You people are only saying all of that crap because she is young and is a girl.
To say that someone is stealing, first you must check a person’s history. Is that person’s history looks dirty? Is there a record? Or is this a mistake?
What if a person wants to record for herself/himself a portion of a movie, and never intended to steal and distribute. How can anyone say someone else is stealing even though there is no actual proof of a distribution transaction take place, or even a selling transaction take place. A person was already paid for a ticket, a person used a brain or camcorder to watch, what’s the difference anyway?
I think the law for this with zero tolerance is plain wrong. Bottom line, these rich boys as always be greedy as they can be.
For example: If a person saw a movie, and the movie sucks so bad, a person goes home, tell everyone not to see a suck movie, and that specific movie makes no money anyway. I wonder these rich greedy bastards will ever come up a law that prevent movie goers not to say a movie suck, or else it’s stealing. No it’s pirate! No, even better, it’s illegal, and you will be charge with a crime, send to prison, and pay a hefty fine.
Why don’t they just make good movie, and the money automatically roll in anyway. Why can’t movie goers sue the theaters for let them pay to watch a suck movie eh?
What they trying to do is so murky, and I hate it. The end!
20 seconds and 600 milliseconds are not the same thing so which was it?
well was it a camcorder or a phone. if it was a camcorder, she is guilty on 2 counts of gross stupidity. 1) taking a camcorder into a movie theater and 2) going to see this shitty movie with a camcorder. fucktard
You guys need to read the article. She’s not being charged for being a thief and stealing the movie to sell. She is being charged for “recording a motion picture without permission.” It doesn’t matter if you are going to sell it or not, it’s illegal to record a movie period. Now was it a little harsh to drag her out of the theater? Possibly, but she did break the law, whether it was for her 13 year old brother or to sell on the internet.
Try to think first before jumping to conclusions about how innocent she is. Wait to see the full story I mean she could have spent 20 minutes setting up cameras to film at different angles and the another camera to film her filming of documentary. Thats like robbing a bank and saying well I only stole $20 when i got caught.
This is just as retarded as when they sued the 8 year old girl for downloading a movie. The same girl who’s mother is paralyzed waste-down and living off of wel-fare. Not only are they fined, they had to travel across state for the trial.
Heartless Assholes….
boycott that theater!
the mpaa and the movie theaters cause these problems.
all of this copy protection reduces the value of the content
what the mpaa is doing is making the value of the original content much lower than pirated content.
how encouraging is it for someone to go to the movies if they know that they are instantly considered as a criminal and are closely monitored.
would you go into a bar where everyone hates you or would you go into one where everyone is happy?
ps the tv ad for transformers is much longer than 20 seconds and when my DVR box records my favorite shows on animal planet, theres at least 3 transformers ads recorded which contain more than 20 seconds of movie footage, I don’t see the police going crazy on me
[quote comment="141288"]simply because of this story, I have a strong urge to boycott movie theaters. this is how you lose money, and just because of the ridiculousness of this situation(seriously, call the police? why not just eject a pirate from your theater? i’m surprised the cops even showed up.) i will now “pirate” all my movies instead of paying almost 15 bucks for a ticket to a movie.[/quote]
FUCKING PWNT.
She’ll get off. They’ll run her record. Notice she has none. They’ll listen to her story. It plays out.
Done deal. She’s in and out of court in 15 mins.
Milo…bullshit.
Whether the law was broken or not is irrelevant.
This is classic letting corporations run your life.
You are the people, this is your governement.
You didnt vote for this law and its not consitutional but many senators lined their pockets with large bills to enact it.
Your ok with corruption? You dont want to have a say in the laws of your own life? You think this girl was screwwed or got what she deserved or justify it because some will suffer for the greater good.
Look around… the greater good are the corporations not you or me. So please STFU and start doing something. Put up or move to another country. America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. Repeat that.
We need to make the MPAA and RIAA pay for what they are doing to us. Take them down hard.
court is never 15 mins and i mean never
Call them and tell that they got a PR nightmare brewing if they don’t drop this right away.
Regal Cinemas customer service number: 1-877-835-5734 and the theater itself is 703-527-9730. Please call them and express you disgust at their heavy handed approach.
Soon… very soon. The world will change, piracy will no longer exist in the world of freedom, but is there hope for making money in the industry? Of course, there are always the people too afraid to go against the system, “man”, or anything else. Property is stolen if it has physical value, there fore if you pirate a movie/movie that sucks and then delete it, it has no value to you, so it isn’t valuable, so STFU MPAA and RIAA! Die.
Yours Truly,
Zero the Hero
Wow I had nothing against downloading a movie but I know it’s wrong. Reading these comments it’s disturbing to see that so many people feel they are entitled to steal just because they want it. Nowadays people are just becoming selfish pigs who care about nothing but themselves and cry when they don’t get instant gratification. Don’t get me wrong, it’s ok the be against “the man” and big business but have valid reasons not just trying to justify stealing.
oh give me a break. what a bunch of arsehats
@ Jai
Couldn’t resist, so once again:
GO FUCK YOURSELF ELSEWHERE STUPID TWAT!
Fuck the stupid, skewed, unfair, uneducated, unaware object we call the “legal system” here in the US.
And fuck the MPAA even more.
I haven’t been to a cinema for months, either. Funny how I’ve been able to watch the latest movies, though…
The problem with all of you with “it’s stealing, it’s the law period…” arguments is that you can’t see how insanely un-enforcable this law is. The tide is so so so so far past the point of turning that “the law” is nothing more than randomly coming down on any given person.
“Because everybody else is” is no excuse to break the law. But a law that is busting less than a percent of a percent of a percent of the crimes being commited turns into something that just seems mean. I bet you have used a cassette tape at some point if you’re over 30. What if in the eighties they had started pulling over cars at random and arresting people who had self recorded audio tapes in their stereos?
[quote comment="141116"]Next week, the MPAA will require all movie goes be strip searched before entering theaters and will force those wishing to attend to watch the movie in the nude at gun point.
Pitiful.[/quote]
Wow, maybe I will start going back to the theaters! Sounds like fun to me.
A 20 second clip is potentially fair use. If she gets a decent attorney, she will get off. Then, she can litigate for false arrest and sue the theater besides.
Creeping fascism must be resisted on all fronts!
She should have gone to a bittorrent site, downloaded the movie as well as adobe premiere + keygen, install premiere, and cut the scene.
would definately be fair use and as she was going to show it to her brother it would be classed as advertising for the cinema so she should sent them a bill as well
So the liberal retort is: “well, since they only catch a few of us, it should be made legal. I mean, after all, only a few of us get caught, so copyright, and other laws, go out the window. I guess if I murdered 100 people, but only got caught for 1 murder, I should be let go.
Face it liberals: You’re all stealing, and are trying to justify it. Copyright protection is a justified law; stop trying to spin it in your favor.
[quote comment="141336"][quote]You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame.[/quote]
Sorry, but sharing is not stealing ;) No matter how the profit obsessed capitalists want to change the definition of stealing to suit them and their goals.[/quote]
How is the fact that: somebody has produced something, and somebody else takes the material to “share” at their own expense, not stealing??????????????
If I come up with a cancer vaccine (let’s be ridiculous), and somebody else took the credit and the money for it, would that be correct?
Get out of here. If you’re against capitalism, then move to a communist country. Anybody who creates something has a moral right to protect, and profit, off of their creation.
[quote comment="141412"]Wow I had nothing against downloading a movie but I know it’s wrong. Reading these comments it’s disturbing to see that so many people feel they are entitled to steal just because they want it. Nowadays people are just becoming selfish pigs who care about nothing but themselves and cry when they don’t get instant gratification. Don’t get me wrong, it’s ok the be against “the man” and big business but have valid reasons not just trying to justify stealing.[/quote]
Exactly. I’m also willing to bet that 95% of these people are politically liberal.
[quote comment="141360"]You guys need to read the article. She’s not being charged for being a thief and stealing the movie to sell. She is being charged for “recording a motion picture without permission.” It doesn’t matter if you are going to sell it or not, it’s illegal to record a movie period. Now was it a little harsh to drag her out of the theater? Possibly, but she did break the law, whether it was for her 13 year old brother or to sell on the internet.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. Personally, I think it’s asinine for the MPAA to do. Then again, they can’t discriminate from one criminal to another. I do NOT think the girls life should be ruined, but it’s not the MPAA to blame.
The people to blame are YOU: the criminals who consistently steal somebody elses creations.
Fail.
Freaking fail.
What does being liberal have to do with anything? And are we talking about the political party, because if so, let me go round up some republicans who pirate movies.
I’m so disappointed in almost everything in the world right now.
If this had happened to you ‘the law is the law’ asshats you’d be whining so hard right now.
[quote comment="141354"]20 seconds and 600 milliseconds are not the same thing so which was it?[/quote]
I wonder what’s worse, that it took until the 26th comment for someone to point that out or that the author those they were ;-)
[quote comment="141317"]This girl broke the law, plain and simple.[/quote]
Ever hear of “fair use”?
[quote comment="141310"]Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws.[/quote]
Are you a comedian? You sure are funny.
s/those/thought/
Whoa!
@ Jai
What exactly is your problem?
Stop calling people criminals, who the FUCK do you think you are you CUNT??
A CD for 15 € huh? Think about it!!!!
Now go and drown in your own stupidity!
i agree with Anonymous
but to make things a bit more personal, the Jai person, stop sucking corporate cock and get a brain, to all you who say the law is the law, one of these days you’ll probably get fucked in the ass from by the law and you better keep the little maxim with you
“oh yes officer, so what if i was going 31 in a 30 area as i was slowing down because i just realized, the law is the law the law is the law OW the law is the law OW the law is the law, think its starting to bleed back there OW!” im done fare thee well
20 seconds? That must surely come under citation fair use :-)
I would sue the idiot theater for a few millions for psychological trauma.
In Mexico City you can buy any new movie that is on a movie theater right now like the simpsons, transformers, etc, etc, the cost of the movies are real cheap less than $10 dollars.
That piracy things that some theaters on the USA try to do are useless because I am sure that in some theathers they let pirates use camcorders to film all the movie, also I am sure that they record the DVDs directly from the original tapes.
lol… made in the USA . times like this i thank god i do not live in such a lame country as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a melting pot of stupidity, freedom of “speech” and similiar “democratic” bullshit …
… a country sure to collapse from inside … i give you another 50-70 years… there is no military power so strong that can defeat you, but still you country is so fragile, so unstable it is almost ironic… only fear keeps your society together… and this fear will ultimately destroy your rotten society… next big war will be american civil war (a race war) ….just a historic fact…
ps. i feel sorry for all you americans who actually can think with your brain
“Seriously unbelievable.”
Not at all - its the law you freek. She broke it she deserves to be punished. No sympathy for her - ignorance is NOT AN EXCUSE.
personally I hope they throw the book at her !
[quote comment="141384"]She’ll get off. They’ll run her record. Notice she has none. They’ll listen to her story. It plays out.
Done deal. She’s in and out of court in 15 mins.[/quote]
doubt that my friend … this one will run for a while. A she’ll end up with the full fine. And this is just going to be the first of many
WTF!? I can’t read this without feeling sick and discusted with the law, its 20 seconds on a fucking Mobile Phone WTF!? When i went to go see Transformers there was Asians in my theatre smoking and dealing drugs yet they don’t do fuck all to solve that?? Its just discusting im furious!
listen to all you idiots.
“I’m never going to a theatre again”
“boycott movies!!”
“yeah the MPAA sucks, man”
There’s always a huge notice that comes up before ANY film that says DO NOT RECORD THIS FILM.
and what does she do? she records the film. What if it was a super-film like Harry Potter, and she recorded some crucial moment with intent to put it on youtube. All we have is her word that ‘it was for my brother’ …. why can’t she just tell him what happened?
From the theatres point of view, and rightly so, anyone who points device at a movie screen is probably recording it.
To the guy who said he was checking the time and putting it on vibrate - can’t you do that with it on your lap?? (if it was on his lap, and totally innocuous then that’s a different matter,but i doubt it was)
It’s perfectly simple it’s as illegal to steal (’record’) a film, as it is illegal to steal someone’s money. - “Oh but it’s okay it’s for my brother” WHAT??!!?!?
She’s an idiot and so are all of you for rising up like the geek-twats you are in rebellion of the ‘tyranny and brutal regime’ of the MPAA.
So please boycott movie theatres, you’ll make me happy.
Fools
God, I am so happy I live in Sweden. I recently used my digital camera to take a picture of the harry potter movie to make a joke about Voldemort not having any hair. I put it on a internet community and no one wants to put me in jail. Stupid american corporations…
[quote comment="141589"]listen to all you idiots.
“I’m never going to a theatre again”
“boycott movies!!”
“yeah the MPAA sucks, man”
There’s always a huge notice that comes up before ANY film that says DO NOT RECORD THIS FILM.
and what does she do? she records the film. What if it was a super-film like Harry Potter, and she recorded some crucial moment with intent to put it on youtube. All we have is her word that ‘it was for my brother’ …. why can’t she just tell him what happened?
From the theatres point of view, and rightly so, anyone who points device at a movie screen is probably recording it.
To the guy who said he was checking the time and putting it on vibrate - can’t you do that with it on your lap?? (if it was on his lap, and totally innocuous then that’s a different matter,but i doubt it was)
It’s perfectly simple it’s as illegal to steal (’record’) a film, as it is illegal to steal someone’s money. - “Oh but it’s okay it’s for my brother”
WHAT??!!?!?
She’s an idiot and so are all of you for rising up like the geek-twats you are in rebellion of the ‘tyranny and brutal regime’ of the MPAA.
So please boycott movie theatres, you’ll make me happy.
Fools[/quote]
What an idiot!
Dude, there are the law, and then there are laws that are used UNETHICAL. That’s when you are using a law, when there are no use of it - it can be simply said like: No, you may not record such stuff, please delete it. - Then she would say: Oh im so sorry.
END OF FUCKING DEAL.
Idiot.
[quote comment="141544"]@ Jai
What exactly is your problem?
Stop calling people criminals, who the FUCK do you think you are you CUNT??
A CD for 15 € huh? Think about it!!!!
Now go and drown in your own stupidity![/quote]
What do you mean: stop calling people CRIMINALS. That’s EXACTLY what you all are. Yes, 15 pounds for a CD. If you don’t like it, then here are your options:
1) Listen to free artists
2) Quit listening to music
3) Only listen to cheaper music.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO MUSIC.
Get over yourselves, CRIMINALS. There is NOTHING unethical about a PERSON PROTECTING HIS/HER CREATION.
You’re the unethical ones, CRIMINALS.
[quote comment="141564"]lol… made in the USA . times like this i thank god i do not live in such a lame country as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a melting pot of stupidity, freedom of “speech” and similiar “democratic” bullshit …
… a country sure to collapse from inside … i give you another 50-70 years… there is no military power so strong that can defeat you, but still you country is so fragile, so unstable it is almost ironic… only fear keeps your society together… and this fear will ultimately destroy your rotten society… next big war will be american civil war (a race war) ….just a historic fact…
ps. i feel sorry for all you americans who actually can think with your brain[/quote]
What does Freedom of speech have to do with anything???????
It’s a person protecting his/her creation, that’s what it is.
Criminals.
[quote comment="141121"]BOYCOTT the MPAA![/quote]
well isnt that the point of downloading:D
This just makes me want to download more…just to piss of MPAA…now my average is 8Gb/day(and has been so for over 10months…seasons mostly), but maybe i should download some more…
Couse “long arm of the police” is pritty short here in Europe:)
Seriously…feel bad for you guys there in US…MPAA just trys to ruin your lifes…:/
[quote comment="141516"]Fail.
Freaking fail.
What does being liberal have to do with anything? And are we talking about the political party, because if so, let me go round up some republicans who pirate movies.
I’m so disappointed in almost everything in the world right now.
If this had happened to you ‘the law is the law’ asshats you’d be whining so hard right now.[/quote]
Get them, go get them. I record movies ALL THE TIME. The difference is: I DON’T COMPLAIN WHEN SOMEONE ENFORCES A JUSTIFIED LAW!
You’re telling me that it’s unjustified for an artist to protect his/her creation?
I guess nothing ANYBODY creates should be copyright protected anymore.
Face it LIBERALS: you’re “its unethical” card has been played out.
I download as much as the next person, but I don’t try to justify it: we are all criminals, and deserve the title.
to be honest - she was openly caught recording a film in a cinema, thats the end of deal in my opinion.
There are plenty of warnings on films now saying “you will get boned sideways if you use any recording equipment” which is pretty clear.
1) Why record it on your phone in the first place - its going to be shit quality
2) You got caught recording / pirating copyrighted material. Suck it up and deal with it. I’m sure if a proper cam ripper was caught he wouldn’t get away with “oh it’s illegal? I’m sorry here have the tape”.
Yes its a little heavy handed to be arrested but really, its a pretty dumb thing to do…
Go darwin!
(and no i don’t support the MPAA or RIAA either)
poor girl
[quote comment="141508"]How is the fact that: somebody has produced something, and somebody else takes the material to “share” at their own expense, not stealing??????????????
If I come up with a cancer vaccine (let’s be ridiculous), and somebody else took the credit and the money for it, would that be correct?
Get out of here. If you’re against capitalism, then move to a communist country. Anybody who creates something has a moral right to protect, and profit, off of their creation.[/quote]
Should I infer from your opinion that, even after you had gained millions for you vaccine through countless pharmaceutical contracts, you would still be unwilling to facilitate it to someone who couldn’t afford it?
That, my friend, is where capitalism ends and greed begins.
Remeber when Jack V said that its theft unless each person in the room owned a copy of the DVD? Movie ticket for 12 bucks- well you are going out, and have a huge screen, and seats, and someon else cleans up. $25 a pop to watch the video at home, that is rediculous. I implore each of you, to contact your local BBB, get the contact information for the owner of your local cinema, and tell them that you would rather pay $25 a pop to watch the movie at home, where you are free to record a 20 second clip on your cell phone without being arrested. It shall be interesting when the studios start doing more simultaneous releases to VOD and the Internet. Archaic business models that do not fit the times, must either be adopted or will be abandoned.
[quote comment="141116"]Next week, the MPAA will require all movie goes be strip searched before entering theaters and will force those wishing to attend to watch the movie in the nude at gun point.
Pitiful.[/quote]
ooh, nude movie watching.
Transformers: The Movie has a worldwide lifetime gross income so far: $538,442,097 while more than 38 million Americans go hungry, including nearly 14 million children (this statistics are over the last five years). How do you justify this nonsense?
The poor become POORER while the rich (bullshit corporations) become richer and richer. Fuck that, the MPAA should pay US to go to the movies. Back in ancient history The Colisseum in Rome, the ancient Oriental Theaters, all free, all to make the masses happy, all to make them more productive; a happy mass is a productive mass. And I could continue giving points of interest upon this discussion.
Simply unfair. Piracy is just another way to survive in this rotten system. Actors go on the millions income a year while some people don’t even have money for basic needs; for example myself (a mental health professional , psychologist) I find myself struggling to even SURVIVE and I provide a much needed service in this sanity-forbidden country. Piracy is only another way to fair up the fight.
And to the above,
Laws don’t need to be justified to be enforced, they just need to be on the books. Justification is always a bias opinion.
[quote comment="141594"]God, I am so happy I live in Sweden. I recently used my digital camera to take a picture of the harry potter movie to make a joke about Voldemort not having any hair. I put it on a internet community and no one wants to put me in jail. Stupid american corporations…[/quote]
I also took picture from start of the simpsons movie where bart wrotes “dont download this…” and i had flashlight on…fuck i scared…but noone did anything…
Northern Europe :)
[quote comment="141627"]And to the above,
Laws don’t need to be justified to be enforced, they just need to be on the books. Justification is always a bias opinion.[/quote]
=’ (
The poor become POORER while the rich (bullshit corporations AND GOVERNMENT) become richer and richer.
I could’t describe Bush’s policy more straight!
“Public prosecutors refuse to collect IP address-related information from providers”
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/93759
Here in Europe Judge’s are starting to get inaf from the harassment of the MPAA and starting to refuse to give information of “pirate” downloaders!
So if you want to get away from the MPAA and be safe, and especially leave before US becomes fully police state, move to Europe:)
“Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once?”
– Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience (1849)
once again, sooooooo happy to live in europe. all the thanks to my parents.
jai……. do you have a shotgun in your house to shoot all the kids that trespass your property? you seem that kind.
criminals..aaaarghh. :)
jailtime?! This is ridiculous. Every time you go to a movie from now on, pull out your cell phone just to f*ck with the theater people. Hold it up, like you might be taking a picture, but when they come to ask you just say you were looking for a signal. If everybody did that, they’d go crazy trying to talk to everybody, and just relax a little about the whole thing.
I WANT TO YELL AT RANDOM THINGS I DONT UNDERSTAND OR HAVE ALL THE FACTS ABOUT AS WELL!
Whats the name of this shit-theater (or chain) anyways? They should post that so people know who not to give their money to!
“Sejas said she had no intention of selling the 20-second film clip.”
Why on earth someone would try to sell 20sec clip when the whole movie is in internet with much better version!?!?!?!?
@ Jai
It’s not about this case in particular, get this into your measly little head: I’m sick and tired of people like you advocating the mighty leaders ( yours NOT mine! )
It’s about this fucking capitalism, it’s about fair use, it’s about justice, it’s about that bloody American government that’s trying to buy the whole WORLD for fuck’s sake! Got my point now??? Piss off!
She recorded part of the film without permission, so she did break the law, but since she only did it to show her brother and it was only a 20 second clip, probably on a phone, so its ridiculous that they’d even consider a $2500 fine or jail. If they want to punish her ban her from the cinema chain ( I doubt she’ll be going to them again anyway) , or give her a couple hours community work. Its not like the movie companies need the extra money.
I’ve got to tell you, I’m two minds about this.
On the one hand, I have no problem with P2P sharing, as I do it quite often.
On the other hand, having worked as a manager at a movie theater, I understand that the people there are just doing their job. Anyone can throw that kind of excuse, even people with cameras. If someone recorded the whole thing on a camera, got busted, and said, “I’m recording it for my mom, who’s paralyzed and in bed all the time, but really wants to see it.” Should they be released, too? No. Theaters have a set procedure for dealing with stuff like that because if they start letting people off and not doing it, than they either get sued by the MPAA when someone else in the theater says they saw someone taping the movie and the theater didn’t do anything, or they get more people doing the same thing.
And just because a law is ineffective, it doesn’t make it any less the law. How many people speed every day? Millions, I’d guess. Try getting out of your next speeding ticket by telling them they obviously don’t catch enough people at it, so it shouldn’t be the law.
Well things like that happens in a Gestapo country where Jesus-Nazi George Bush rules.
[quote comment="141697"]@ Jai
It’s not about this case in particular, get this into your measly little head: I’m sick and tired of people like you advocating the mighty leaders ( yours NOT mine! )
It’s about this fucking capitalism, it’s about fair use, it’s about justice, it’s about that bloody American government that’s trying to buy the whole WORLD for fuck’s sake! Got my point now??? Piss off![/quote]
That’s exactly what I’m talking about: The liberal anti-American ideology.
You just proved it. In fact, you’re willing to throw out justified laws in order to insult the American government, which has done nothing illegal in this situation.
Get it through your measly little head: you’re wrong.
[quote comment="141644"]once again, sooooooo happy to live in europe. all the thanks to my parents.
jai……. do you have a shotgun in your house to shoot all the kids that trespass your property? you seem that kind.
criminals..aaaarghh. :)[/quote]
No, not at all.
I agree, that this case is asinine!
But you liberals seem to think that stealing other artists creations is justified, when it is not.
[quote comment="141626"]Transformers: The Movie has a worldwide lifetime gross income so far: $538,442,097 while more than 38 million Americans go hungry, including nearly 14 million children (this statistics are over the last five years). How do you justify this nonsense?
The poor become POORER while the rich (bullshit corporations) become richer and richer. Fuck that, the MPAA should pay US to go to the movies. Back in ancient history The Colisseum in Rome, the ancient Oriental Theaters, all free, all to make the masses happy, all to make them more productive; a happy mass is a productive mass. And I could continue giving points of interest upon this discussion.
Simply unfair. Piracy is just another way to survive in this rotten system. Actors go on the millions income a year while some people don’t even have money for basic needs; for example myself (a mental health professional , psychologist) I find myself struggling to even SURVIVE and I provide a much needed service in this sanity-forbidden country. Piracy is only another way to fair up the fight.[/quote]
It’s called capitalism, and it’s justified. If you don’t like it, leave the US. I’m sure you’ll enjoy China.
One thing has NOTHING to do with another. The bottom line is: a person has a right to protect his/her creation.
ok she did something wrong, for doing that and given the fact the she used a cellphone camera and not a camcorder, the appropriate consequence would had been to kick them out of the theater . simple as that, you take a pic or record with your cellphone? you’ll get kicked out. because we all know that she will not sell footage from a cell phone! who is going to want to pay or watch a grainy piece of movie clip. look at the facts and take action from there. this people make me sick trying to make a difference by overdoing things. give a year of jailtime and that big fine to the ones trying or recording with equipment capable of reproducing footage that can be used for pirating not seconds from a cellphone 1080p high definition camera…..not. tupid laws
How about cleaning up your theaters with unwanted patrons first? The movie theaters have gotten worse each year. They do nothing about people talking, cell phones, babies, unattended children acting like idiots. If I pay $20 dollars to see a movie everyone is going to shut the hell up or I want my money back. Thankfully Netflix, HDTV’s and HD DVD’s came along, and those great copies of movies from Thialand, never have to go to a theater again!
well it is illegal in the first place so HA! take that u dumb bitch
MPAA cant control everyone and eventually they will fall
the police and the cinema guy is stupid. poor little girl. where is going our freedom. 20 secondes of video for 2500$ its a lot of $ the 20 secondes
“I’m proud to be an american where at least I know I’m free” :) :) *luck guys*
In Europe Judge’s doesnt give a shit how much you download, couse they know that there is no harm in it…
we have brains, not bribes, and thats how free and equivalent world runs!
Know what makes me laugh the most….the fact they give larger fines and jail sentences to people that RECORD DIGITAL CONTENT, compared to people that physically attack people. Recording a movie and sharing it with your friends does not involve rape or killing a freaking person.
Stop focusing on digital related acts! Arresting hackers to bank companys and such is fine, but recording an entertainment related movie? Cmon now…There’s better things you can do then arrest recorders.
shit for brains dumbass bullshit cock sucking father rapeing fucktard Jai.
what’s with you and your pathetic little prods at ‘liberals’? was your sensei brutally murdered by one? did the mean liberal touch you in a bad place as a child? seriously! give it up! pointing the finger at people who are open minded and aren’t scared of change really shows how much of a narrow minded prick you really are. Saying “LIBERALS: you’re “its unethical” card has been played out.” only makes me wonder if a conservative could come in here and say that the brutal consequences of minor offenses in copyright law is unethical and you would give him the benefit of the doubt.
In short, you really need to shut the fuck up about ‘liberals,’ this is not the kind of debate that needs to be politically charged by a dumbass like you with a political grudge.
Another topic that still boils my blood, is your constant defense of capitalism. You talk as if its writing in stone on the motherfucking constitution that America HAS to be capitalistic. As if it’s morally wrong to try and change the way our economy has twisted itself into stretching the gap between the lower and higher classes. And your answer to anybody who wants to see this economy change is ‘Leave.’ it’s not ‘take the active stance to change the economy for the better.’ no, it’s ‘Leave. we don’t want you.’ And despite the fact that America was founded on the idea that we shouldn’t leave when something is wrong; no, we should strive to change it. Remember, what the founding fathers did by revolting against british imperial rule, was considered high treason. Each one of them would have been executed had the American Revolution not succeeded. To throw their determination in lew of that risk out the window by telling people who dislike the state of their union to ‘move to china’ is the true threat to this nation.
so now please, Jai, leave this conversation exit this website for the rest of your life, and remove yourself from any and all debates for the remaining duration of You.
Please, think of the children.
-Orka Ork
Stealing is stealing with all the hype today she should have known. “If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime”.
Has anyone got the patience to wait until the case has gon to trial? just because this young person was charged does not mean she will receive the maximum. the court may just decide to rap her on the knuckles and send her home with a suspended sentenace. If most of you would stop tring to stir up emotions and wait there would be less stress in the world.
Reading some of these posts is blowing my mind. For all of you that think she is a victim, would you please stop drinking the cool aid. Really, do you honestly believe the media told this story fairly and objectively? Do you consider that she was caught in the act illegally recording the movie and was stopped? So, if she really only had 20 seconds, which is highly unlikely, then it is only because the theatre managers stopped her. I mean come on, I understand a pretty young teenager playing the victim to her parents and them possibly being naive enough to believe her crap, but do we all have to believe it? Do you think the police are that eager to enforce this law based on the way the facts were represented by the press? I guess, yet again, Americans are not responsible for their own behavior, criminals are victims and we are all just idiots that believe anything the press weants us to believe. WAKE UP.
Justified Law?
Criminals?
Can any of you asshats trying to support this girls arrest even tell me what the point of copyright is?
Oh you, can’t… so here we go. “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.”
Am I lost or does this law and the current implementation do none of this when it comes to the RIAA and the MPAA. For fucks sake we extended copyright so that Disney could keep Mickey Mouse. We aren’t encouraging invention anymore, we are simply encouraging profiteering asswipes to be able to prosecute for ridiculous offenses.
This isn’t stealing, it’s violation of copyright. If I steal your car, you can’t use it anymore. I violate your copyright, you don’t even know about it!
She’s not a “poor little girl”.
Fact: She’s 19 (an Adult)
Fact: She recorded a movie
I doubt the fine will stick, but she deserves to be put through the trial and everything. You can’t bring a freaking camera into a theater and record some of it. How stupid is this “little girl”? Hopefully her IQ is higher than her age, but it doesn’t appear so.
I was once kicked out of a theatre for pulling out my phone during the movie, evidently that means I’m a pirate.
Seriously, that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a very long time. I feel bad for this girl who has to go to jail for something so stupid. It just goes to show how stupid the laws and politics are in this country. SERIOUSLY, UNBELIEVABLE! Because of this, I’m gonna never pay to watch a damn movie ever again.
Why didn’t they just delete the video. Hold the camera until the end of the movie and give it back. You know like a sane manager would do. Almost all the real Pirating (i.e. for profit) is done in other countries, where we can’t sue them. If you don’t believe me take a vacation to Russia, Mexico of China.
Right now the RIAA and MPAA are just trying to beat up a bunch of teenagers for barely being Pirates. Which just makes us more disturbed by they’re overreaction. Hence the feelings that piracy is fine. If you actually look at iTunes, they make 4 cents a song and the artist make 8 cents, the other 87 cents is lost to big business.
There’s an old saying that a company decision should be made from the perspective of “would you make that decision if it were pasted across the next edition of the Wall Street Journal?” Obviously this company missed that point… ‘young girl taped a poor quality clip on a cell phone’ - somebody certainly didn’t think that one through.
Or how much of a commercial could that clip have been for her brother and friends - how many new movie goers would it have created? Or if it went to the extreme and was loaded on YouTube - would it have resulted in a cheering marketing group for a success at Viral Marketing (and free advertising)?
The RIAA and MPAA are up against a stiff problem and this is just the death rattle for the industry - recording technology and internet distribution are progressing faster than they can cope. Musicians and Bands and film-makers are finding distribution outlets for their own works and the artists are directly profiting. The old studios are not really needed anymore - or at least not in the shape and size they have existed for decades. So they are struggling - any organization or organism fights for its survival - they are no different - but maintain some sense of honor and thought about what is going on.
Why not make media content or the theatre experience so overwhelmingly meaningful (high value to go to the theatre) or so amazingly inexpensive (super cheap tickets or music CDs) that it costs more to “pirate” than to just buy the content outright?
Oh, but that’s hard. You don’t get to blame Pirates. And you don’t get funny blurbs on major newspapers to discuss with your spouse over a morning latte.
I will retaliate by buying all the
PIRATED music, movies, software, etc.
the black market has to offer.
Poor little girl!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s cases like this where I really hope the jury knows its rights, and chooses to not convict her.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html
That’s a pretty fascinating read, in my opinion, and well worth the read for any American, as we all have the chance that we’ll end up on a jury someday.
This is why I don’t go to fucking movie theaters, I’ll either download the movie for free, or watch it at a friends house for free. Same for music, limewire pro ftw. If you like to pay out the ass for a shitty hollywood film then good for you. Keep sucking their cocks, and I’ll keep watching and listening for free. As if they don’t have enough money already, they want to take it away from everyone else in the world.
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She had a Canon Powershot — a digital camera, at MOST capable of 640×480 and not for very long. This is clearly not an attempt at profit diminishing piracy. If she had gone in with a camcorder and a tripod, things would be different. Intent to pirate is not here. As others have stated, it falls within fair use.
Copyright law was written well before the digital era, and it’s more than obvious the laws need to be rewritten to make sense in terms of digitally recordable assets. If you consider a video or audio recording an asset of a company like you consider a car or some other tangible item, then any company that creates such intangible items, by nature of digital reproduction, has infinite assets. If the stock market really believed that, the movie and music industry would be infinitely rich and capitalism as we know it would collapse into a black hole of absurdity. Clearly digital copies of things have some finite value. Value is established by market forces. The internet is a market force. Clearly many people only want the product for free and won’t pay anything else. Copyright was intended to protect someone from unfair business competition. If I create a product that is uniquely my idea, then I get some time to make a living at it before others can join in. Furthermore, I can’t steal the Beatles music and call it my own. The theft in copyright situations is the idea, not the tangible product. Theft is when a tangible item is stolen. If I sneak into a theatre, I’ve stolen the theatre going experience from the movie house. If I steal a dvd, I’ve stolen a physical product that had cost of production. If I download a copy of a film, there is no theft from anybody because I just created something from nothing. That is not the protective purpose of copyright law. If I set up shop at home charging people to come see what I downloaded, that is something completely different because then I am engaging in business.
What the MPAA and RIAA claim as loss are really nothing more than potential loss — no guarantee that all those people willing to see something for free would pay even a penny for it otherwise. That is how market forces of supply and demand work. Demand diminishes as cost goes up. The increase of cost from free to a penny is an infinite increase, ergo the demand reduction should also be considered infinite by their own logic. In other words, they are not losing anything other than their dreams. Year after year the MPAA has record breaking gross profits. So what’s the problem?
As for Jai and people like him that sling ‘liberal’ as an insult and tell people they have no business challenging the laws of their land, that is called fascism. Americans are being americans precisely when they stand up against things they don’t like and demand changes. You say they should go to China, but actually I think you’re the one that would be happier there…
Horse shit.
Wow, asfsf has a real good point.
The deep fascist implications in this are disturbing. [quote comment="141726"][quote comment="141644"]once again, sooooooo happy to live in europe. all the thanks to my parents.
jai……. do you have a shotgun in your house to shoot all the kids that trespass your property? you seem that kind.
criminals..aaaarghh. :)[/quote]
No, not at all.
I agree, that this case is asinine!
But you liberals seem to think that stealing other artists creations is justified, when it is not.[/quote]
So when are you guys gonna try and make us wear armbands?
[quote comment="141310"]Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws.[/quote]
[quote comment="141310"]Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws.[/quote]
YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT: SO, ACCORDING TO YOU, WHEN A LAW IS ENFORCED THE INOCENTS ARE WHAT? EXPENDABLE NECCESSARY LOSSES? YOU ARE PROBABLY EITHER JEW OR REPUBLICAN OR BOTH…ANIMAL!!!!!
Throwing jews in there really lent a lot of credibility to your rant…
[quote comment="142451"]Horse shit.[/quote]
Wow I’m defeated…Seriously send your resume to the EFF, they need real thinkers like you.
OK another thought experiment…
If I go to the Louvre in Paris and take a photograph of the Mona Lisa, have I stolen the Mona Lisa? Is my photograph worth millions of dollars now able to be sold on the black market?
The Mona Lisa is worth millions upon millions. A postcard of the Mona Lisa is worth what? A few pennies, cost of production, etc. and then marked up for retail distribution so all the middle men get their penny.
Digital copying:
1) A reproduction with no cost of production whatsoever…
2) Not taking away an original work from the creator (much different than stealing a one of a kind painting)
3) An infinite asset = infinitely low value = free
Stealing as we have always known it is not going on here. This is a new thing that requires new thought and new laws. It is certainly not physical theft and a perversion of what copyright law was inteded to protect.
i will now “pirate” all my movies instead of paying almost 15 bucks for a ticket to a movie.
15 dollars? COME ON! Go to a matinée for $5.75!!!
boycott MPAA… and that rules..
shame on MPAA. shame..
pirates are always roaming free.
only inocent gets in trouble.
shame
shame
shame
Jai, if you ever dubbed something using your VCR, recorded a TV show with TIVO, dubbed a casette tape, then you broke the same laws.
Liberals suck, but I am a Libertarian, and for the most part I agree with the guys responses on here.
It is non anti-american, it is very american to be cautious that your freedom and liberties arent taken away.
The “Its The Law” type mentality, allows for facism to take over, without some sort of standing our ground, we would all be sitting here saying “seig heil” and not allowed to have any freedoms.
I guess you could say, let the first one with no sin, cast the first stone.
What do you say of that Jai.
[quote comment="141564"]lol… made in the USA . times like this i thank god i do not live in such a lame country as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a melting pot of stupidity, freedom of “speech” and similiar “democratic” bullshit …
… a country sure to collapse from inside … i give you another 50-70 years… there is no military power so strong that can defeat you, but still you country is so fragile, so unstable it is almost ironic… only fear keeps your society together… and this fear will ultimately destroy your rotten society… next big war will be american civil war (a race war) ….just a historic fact…
ps. i feel sorry for all you americans who actually can think with your brain[/quote]
You do know that China has a standing army of 1.1million right? You do know thats more than every serving person that the US,UK and Canada have ALL TOGETHER? And that’s only the standing army, not the rest of it which is probably not far off.
Theres so many peoeple speaking out of their rear cakeholes on this blog I can’t even bring myself to read further down than the quote I have quoted. Shut up, get a life and if you’re going to P2P make sure you use a traceblocking program like PeerGuardian.
[quote comment="141603"][quote comment="141544"]@ Jai
What exactly is your problem?
Stop calling people criminals, who the FUCK do you think you are you CUNT??
A CD for 15 € huh? Think about it!!!!
Now go and drown in your own stupidity![/quote]
What do you mean: stop calling people CRIMINALS. That’s EXACTLY what you all are. Yes, 15 pounds for a CD. If you don’t like it, then here are your options:
1) Listen to free artists
2) Quit listening to music
3) Only listen to cheaper music.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO MUSIC.
Get over yourselves, CRIMINALS. There is NOTHING unethical about a PERSON PROTECTING HIS/HER CREATION.
You’re the unethical ones, CRIMINALS.[/quote]
Listen to yourself, fucktard: “YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO MUSIC.”
You mean poor people, or whoever doesn’t have enough money to buy a CD player and 15 bucks CD’s DOESN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO MUSIC?
If you are old enough, you should know how it was between the 60s and 80s. Everyone shared music through cassete tapes, and even so, they’d buy LPs of their favorite bands BECAUSE THEY APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THAT SPECIFIC BAND OR SINGER, not because there was no other fucking way to listen to music.
The difference? Studios and artists weren’t fucking greedy that time. They’d be happy enough with fans and praise from the music lovers. Nowadays, there are tons of “commercial songs” being produced. Exactly: “COMMERCIAL” songs. It speaks for itself. Musics made do SELL albums, even if they are a piece of shit. Then the law enforces that you have to buy tons of shit to listen to one single music.
HA. Make me laugh.
it’s true she’s breaking the law, but the law itself is the main concern here. what kind of law is that, good thing i don’t live in the US fckn’ A.
[quote comment="143128"]
You do know that China has a standing army of 1.1million right? You do know thats more than every serving person that the US,UK and Canada have ALL TOGETHER? And that’s only the standing army, not the rest of it which is probably not far off.
[/quote]
are you stupid or what? the guy said stronger,
but you go stupid and say that number of people is equal to strength, fyi : it’s not!,
of course if you’re saying that war beetween countries is some kind of brawl, then i’ve nothing more to say.
It’s 20 seconds. Get a life MPAA.
The ruddy trailer usually shows more than 20 seconds, why don’t you sue yourself then?
First of all, to all the idiots who keep accusing this girl of “stealing,” shut up. It’s not theft or stealing. It’s copyright infringement, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STEALING. Stealing is literally taking property from someone/something so that the entity you took it from no longer has it and you do. You can’t steal intellectual property, which is the whole reason why these things are copyrighted. They hardly lose any money from copyright infringement, despite the little numbers they give you about how they are losing sooooo much money every year… there are so many factors that go into those numbers that you cannot blame it on one facet.
Secondly, a “law” is a “law” simply because someone makes it a “law.” You people love your populist bullshit and will simply abide by any new law dished out there because “hey, it’s the law.” it goes along wiht that “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.” that’s not the fucking point. the point is some of these bullshit laws about intellectual property and copyrights are made solely for the idea of hording money. Open your fucking eyes people and realize you’re the ones getting fucked, not the MPAA, the RIAA, or other big corporations
Oh, as a conclusion:
Register Republican and vote for Ron Paul in the GOP Primaries.
yeah geoff,
I already registered as GOP. Ron Paul all the way.
AlL Americans are criminals.
After all it is the best country ever STOLEN.Except they wern’t people they where savages and thusly Legal too kill.
Slavery was legal @ one time.
So I suppose if its “legal” its morally “ok”.
The movie and recording industry is nothing but a bunch of lazy fucks that rape there living off breaking the backs of the artists they promote.
Every time there work is viewed they want $$ with out any more work input on there end.
Screw them corporate assfucks.
Want more $$ then go do some more work ya lazy bumz.
Stop infringing on my stolen rights bought with the blood of many damn it.
I service autos for a living.
I get paid for each repair job I do.Once its completed thats it jobs done i get paid story ends..
Now if i was like the recording industry I would be charging for every time they drive there own auto.
What the MIAA/RIAA/MPA Are doing is straight up extortion imo.Legalized Extortion so i suppose that makes it “right”.
These Laws are nothing but murderous tools too freedom.Infringements on liberty.The ONLY Freedom in America is your freedom of choice over your path of economic enslavement.Slavery built this country . And slavery runs it too this day.Only a mind freed can see such truths.
i feel sorry for you americans seriously your all just wack
I am happy i live in Belgium :)
http://www.petitiononline.com/nixdmca/petition.html
SIGN THIS PETITION FOR ABOLISHING THE DIGITAL MILLENIUM ACT! [there is very small chance of congress actually taking this seriously but it is still worth a try]
SIGN IT NOW!
[quote comment="141347"]Bottom line, these rich boys as always be greedy as they can be.[/quote]
Not for long. If we (the pirates and the sensible) continue to boycott cinemas and download movies instead, we will eventually topple the regimes know as the MPAA, the RIAA, and the BSA. Then, we can implement a working system that allows the actors and musicians to make money, and the masses to share their works.
JAI JAI JAI, This is not about laws, this is about the people preventing buissness from taking our entire government and constitution away from us. Its a war that the “People” sometimes have to fight.And it will probably end up in bloodshed very soon, civil unrest = civil war.sure both sides wont agreed and we will kill our own kind over it. I know i will die trying to defend my constitutional rights and liberties as my ancestors died to provide them to me.P>S i hope you see this and can reply, you talk as if you have never, in your entire life, taped a show or movie from tv, or taken a photo with a sign or art or a tv in the background,or even a building in the background (which if you look around, yes even architecture is copyrighted and most buildings cannot be photographed without consent.)where are you employed BTW, Time fucking Warner?
stupid assholes…
godd and bad stealing ?? lolzzz
[quote comment="141508"]
How is the fact that: somebody has produced something, and somebody else takes the material to “share” at their own expense, not stealing??????????????
If I come up with a cancer vaccine (let’s be ridiculous), and somebody else took the credit and the money for it, would that be correct?
[/quote]
Whoa… wait wait…hold on a second. So, what you are saying with your ridiculous comparison is that people that download movies from the net are taking credit for the making of the movie and are reaping the monetary rewards from the movie? You’re out of your fucking mind… lmfao.
America is so fucked up, I cant wait till I move out of this god-forsaken country. England, Canada, or Australia are so much better.
Lets see what a jury decides. Id love to see the look on the dumbshitted MPAA lawyers faces when they loose.
God Dammit.
Hack the planet!
O N L Y IN A M E R I C A……
What a waste of taxpayer dollars. What the hell is wrong with this country, wake up people and demonstrate in the streets like our parents did back in the 1960’s! We need a new cultural revolution and FAST.
She is just a theiving mexican,
who needs to be deported.
I think she should go to prison
for five years - ignorance is no excuse for the law. Stupid Spick Cunt.
sweet . . . i wish i’d thought of that . . . take my phone in the theater . . . record snippets of lame movie . . . go home and download clips from phone to PC . . . use software to stitch clips back into full length feature film . . . sell for profit . . . duh . . . i suck at this capitalist concept, i totally missed this opp for creating money. call me stupid, i guess i’m moving to (insert third world country name here)
Shoot the bitch!!!
How dare she!!!
Scum!
To JAI
just fuck off and die
having that said from the depth of my heart now i can smoke a cig and put some more movies for dl :)
Maybe if these faggots would make some movies worth buying people wouldn’t “steal” them?
Steal what? Half of the movies out are just older movies redone or movies that pretty much STEAL the plot of others.
As it stands right now, there’s nothing worth buying. I also wont waste money on some shit I may watch once and then toss out the window.
All you faggots on here talking about how everyone is a criminal… Why? Because instead of owning a 30 million dollar house, they have to settle for a 20 million dollar house? Because they act? Because acting is hard work..
All you idiots need to shut the fuck up. Pay our teachers more, pay our goddamn police officers more. Fuck these faggot movie directors and actors. What difference do they make in anyones lives?
Bitches like all you faggots talking about oh she still broke the law are the reason we have such self righteous uncle toms in the states and why no one likes americans. Hell, I live here and I hate half(at least) of you fucking morons here.
[quote comment="141603"][quote comment="141544"]@ Jai
What exactly is your problem?
Stop calling people criminals, who the FUCK do you think you are you CUNT??
A CD for 15 € huh? Think about it!!!!
Now go and drown in your own stupidity![/quote]
What do you mean: stop calling people CRIMINALS. That’s EXACTLY what you all are. Yes, 15 pounds for a CD. If you don’t like it, then here are your options:
1) Listen to free artists
2) Quit listening to music
3) Only listen to cheaper music.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO MUSIC.
Get over yourselves, CRIMINALS. There is NOTHING unethical about a PERSON PROTECTING HIS/HER CREATION.
You’re the unethical ones, CRIMINALS.[/quote]
By this I take it you don’t think it’s unethical for say Brad pitt(or any other high payed actor/actress) to make 60 Millon USD / movie (take or give what ever suits you) while the ones that acually writes the manuscript basicly gets robbed?
The law is the law you say and that’s kinda hard to misinterpret, but that sure as hell doesn’t say there’s something wrong with it when it’s twisted as to only benefit large corporations.
copyright is a necessary evil that should be tolerated to the MINIMUM( not 70 years after the death of the maker/inventer) extent necessary to ensure that the public receives the desired benefit.
on a side note do you think prostitution is ethical since it’s not illegal in Nevada?
Please, ethics have nothing to do with the law.
Now none of you people will ever be reading this since itz old newz & I should’ve stepped forward long ago but stupid fuckz like Jai need to take that big pole out of your asses because all you people do is come up with the most stupid cover-up examplez that only get somewhere if you can confuse people. because seriously, just say to yourself “It was a poor quality, 20 second recording”. Now how the fuck will she make any money what so ever out of a 20 sec, amateur, low quality clip that she was probably unhappy with aswell even if she were to exploit it herself which i think she had never planned to & even so if she did, NO money was lost at all with the movie business since she had paid for the movie & the fact that a 20 second clip would’ve only teased the viewerz to want to see the rest of the movie for themselves. Well I have soooo much to say & argue/debate about that Fuckz like Jai will never be able to reply with anything because I can only advance my commentz further with more & more factful truth that will get idiotz like you wishing you had NEVER opened your mouth with stupid commentz like “The Lawz the law & she got what she deserved” & other idiotz that say “She is so stupid to have recorded anything in the 1st place” well she seamz to be a helpless & childish behaviored 19 year old even with the boyfriend right by her side & so they maybe are stupid but that doesn’t mean that the copyright protecting officerz didn’t take it too far & that she deserved what she got because they took it way to far & have given a penalty for ignorance as if it had been a very intelligent person with ALL knowledge on the Lawz & the Copyright Lawz, but as i said there is sooo many commentz you people have said (Mostly Jai The Cockheadz Commentz) that I can reply at with full force that cannot be replied back since I will cover EVERYTHING that can NEVER be argued about…… Well also it is 6:23 in Australia at the moment & a tired person such as myself can still kick the living crap out of anyone I do not like, but just tired enough to want to not argue + i’m sure NOBODY will be reading this from the August 3rd commenting but I know that people will read this later on & will feel the same way as me, but quite possibly I will never be on this website again. Well anywayz seeya to anyone who readz this & oh yeh i’m pretty sure Jai & the rest of the Bullshit talkerz have been on other Blogz & have spoken loadz of shit on those aswell.
According to all responce i would like to say that the woman was not alleged. Fuck all the producer & director as well as police also.they always like to suck the feet of producer & directors of the fucking bloody movie..
Till now i never want to go the movie theatre.
fuck alllllllll….
[quote comment="141345"]Well she knew the rules going into it. She choose to break the rules.
Cant afford to pay the fine, don’t do the crime!
Simple enough!
You people are only saying all of that crap because she is young and is a girl.[/quote]
So dickweed it’s fair enough if the police shoot you next time you jaywalk? Ever heard of “let the punishment fit the crime”? In your case I’m sure it would be doing society a favor.
RAAAA !!! This story just make me want to direct my own movies and own songs and watch them alone….
hahaha, people have gone mad within their theatres they own like bullshit… cant really fcuking think that even such innocent people can be caught… itz a mockery of whoz really bad… pirates or these bullshit software, movies and else makers
Someone else pointed out that only dieing industries consume their consumers.
Generally speaking you want to keep your customers happy. So if you’re arresting your customers (and pissing off the rest of the theatre by interupting a movie to arrest a customer) there must be something wrong.
Ethical or legal or not, this is another sign that the theatre industry as we know it is coming to an end.
This is crap. I would understand kicking her out of the theatre, and maybe even banning her… but $2500 and a year in jail? I’m sick of my tax dollars paying to keep nonviolent “criminals” in jail. All they had to do was make her delete what she recorded, and the problem would have been solved. She wouldn’t have gained anything, and the mpaa wouldn’t have lost anything. The mpaa makes millions, and complain that they’re not making trillions. And the actors make millions for playing make believe in front of a camera. Is that more deserving than say.. a fireman or a school teacher? All I can say is that those greedy ass clowns at the mpaa won’t be getting any of my money. I can do without watching their crap; I don’t even want to steal it. If a movie comes out that is really that good, it’ll eventually make it to cable. I just wonder when they’re going to outlaw DVRs. You know it’s going to happen…
[quote comment="141310"]Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws.[/quote]
I don’t steal, I’m not a criminal, and I don’t think that it was fair.
P.S. Jai, your an idiot. Please do not spread your evil seed to the whole of the Earth. Get yourself fixed. Have a nice day:)
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“Harsh, but required.
You guys (the criminals who steal) are the ones to blame. When a law is enforced, innocents will suffer, unfortunately. But what you criminals fail to realize is: you guys are the reason they have such laws”
Please bend over and take it up the ass.
Thanks.
This person received the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. Cops have discretion and they should have used it.
To steal it means you must deprive someone else of something. If the current RIAA definition of stealing was true, then when you went to see a movie and told someone else the plot of the movie you would be stealing. What was the girl going to do? Sell her cellphone on ebay for $200 just because it has a short clip of “Transformers” on it? A low definition shaky fuzzy horrible sounding clip at that. It did not deprive anyone of any profit to do what she did, in fact it would have made the kid want to see more and added to their profit. As far as Jai’s “You guys” comment, nobody is going to sell a DVD burned with a copy of a “cam” recorded movie as a “real” dvd, and from the people I’ve met who download movies, they only do it to see if the movie was worth renting/buying. As far as laws being enforced because of criminals, does that go to every outdated law? Including the racist laws that said blacks couldn’t vote? Nobody should ever try to change any outdated law or fight against something that is clearly wrong? You need to get a clue, people who want to enjoy media are not criminals because they copy it. I have mp3 copies of my cd’s but if I give a copy to someone else who owns the cd’s and doesn’t have the technical knowledge of how to rip it themselves, I’m a criminal? If I were to buy a CD and set it on fire no one would care, why should they care if I copy it for myself?
Jai needs to wake up.
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