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The RIAA Attacks Usenet

Basking in glory after orchestrating a record punishment for a petty file-sharer in the US, the RIAA takes its legal campaign to the next level. Many may want newsgroups to stay under the radar but it’s too late – major labels have filed a copyright infringement lawsuit against Usenet.com and it won’t be going away.

In an ideal world, people would not talk about Usenet. In an ideal world there would be no such things as copyright infringement lawsuits. Sadly, we do not live in an ideal world.

Today we simply have to talk about Usenet and we have to talk about lawsuits.

Major record labels – Arista, Atlantic, BMG, Capitol, Caroline, Elektra, Interscope, LaFace, Maverick, Sony BMG, UMG, Virgin, Warner Bros. and Zomba have filed a copyright infringement lawsuit against Usenet.com.

According to Billboard, the complaint filed in the District Court in New York states that Usenet.com provides access to millions of copyright infringing files and, with a nod towards the Grokster Decision, apparently “touts its service as a haven for those seeking pirated content.”

During the Grokster court case, it was ruled that even if a service or tool has substantial non-infringing uses, its owners would be liable for the infringing activities of its customers, should it be deemed that they encouraged their customers to commit copyright infringement. The complaint says that Usenet.com encourages its customers to commit copyright infringement and furthermore, facilitates such actions with its infrastructure.

Therefore it’s no surprise that the lawsuit seems to hang on statements allegedly made by Usenet.com to their customers, claiming that they told them their service is “the best way to get ‘free’ music now that ‘file sharing websites are getting shut down.”

Usenet.com does state that it’s possible to get increased levels of privacy by using their extra ‘anonymous’ service: “Shh… Quiet! We believe it’s no one’s business but your own what you do on the Internet or in Usenet! We don’t log your activity. We don’t track your downloads, and neither can your ISP when you use Secure-Tunnel.com privacy package.” However, helping to ensure the privacy of your customers does not equal encouragement to commit copyright infringement and right at this moment, there doesn’t appear to be any other text on the site that would make Usenet.com fall foul of the Grokster Decision. More details should follow in due course.

The lawsuit states that despite repeated requests by the labels for Usenet.com to remove infringing content, Usenet.com continued to fill its servers with infringing material from the Usenet network and then charges its users for access. It’s claimed that many of the groups offered by Usenet.com have no other use other than to disseminate copyright works and are “explicitly dedicated to copyright infringement.”

The labels want Usenet.com to admit they are committing copyright infringement with a view to obtaining an injunction and damages. To date, Usenet.com has refused to remove content or discontinue offering certain newsgroups.

It will be interesting to see if other Usenet providers come out in support of Usenet.com.

Further updates to follow.

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  • Section8

    Another step in the wrong direction

  • blie dvd745

    I am going to echo a post I saw on slyck

    THIS is one the RIAA maybe over reaching It is pretty well established as far back as 2001 aslong as a provoder complies with dmca takedown process they fall into safe harbor. The Riaa better hope it does wim this because if not usenet will become more popular than ever after the media attention.

  • DiGiTALPiRATE

    Didn’t read the whole article.
    But, it’s better that they take down the guys who’s SELLING warez than the regular torrenters whos just… Sharing? Right?

    P2L can die.

  • blie dvd745

    [quote comment="188290"]I am going to echo a post I saw on slyck

    THIS is one the RIAA maybe over reaching It is pretty well established as far back as 2001 aslong as a provoder complies with dmca takedown process they fall into safe harbor. The Riaa better hope it does wim this because if not usenet will become more popular than ever after the media attention.[/quote]

    Also this not going to be like taking down a litle torrent nzb site or file sharer most of these providers have plenty of moeny. If thise case does not get dismissed it will be in courts for years.

  • Ink

    Well, the times where the usenet was deemed as underground are long gone.

    Also, the usenet does have a bunch of actively used purposes other then file distribution. Its like trying to take down the http protocol because trackers use it… ridicules.
    Let them keep busy with that for a while.

  • torrents need usenet

    I said this on Digg:

    BitTorrent NEEDS Usenet.

    If any BitTorrent user out there wants to seed something and bring stuff to the community, he can get it from Usenet. No-one wants screw around with other sources, it’s too much hard work.

    If Usenet binaries go down, available content will reduce its flow to BitTorrent.

    I desperately don’t want that, 110%

    Usenet FTW

  • Mike

    from my point of view it’s ok if they be bury it.

    They advertise to agressive all over the net& making big $ with pirated stuff etc…

    Keep it quiet and low.

    And make no big bucks of it.

    Like someone said the releases of scene crews were never supposed to go to p2p…yeah right! Who does believe such crap.

    If usenet is going to die the stuff will be available somewhere else..it has ever been that way.

  • Santa

    If the RIAA & MPAA had their own way, there wouldn’t be much left of the internet. Those morons are starting to hinder the progress of humanity.

  • zZ

    just said to my self its just a matter of time before an anti piracy org would attack a network like usenet irc
    is the only thing they havent tried to fuck up so far

  • Starwhite

    I could care less about Usenet, they can be buried because they simply $uck. Charging for Warez goes against the true spirit of P2P.
    I looked at a sign up for Usenet, it was like $50.00 a month! No way.
    These guys are selling pirated movies, games, music…this oes way beyond mere P2P. They can go down.

  • Santa

    [quote comment="188346"]I looked at a sign up for Usenet, it was like $50.00 a month![/quote]

    $50/mo?? Where have you been looking? Even the top rated package on usenet.com is $18.95/mo

  • ScytheNoire

    I need to sue the RIAA for ruining music.

  • Cuthbert

    @Starwhite: I think you’re just confused about the names

    XXL Power Packages (including 50Gb) cost ~$20/month.

    So, I’m not nervous about this attack. They can’t take down the whole usenet. Even if they sue usenet.com there are other providers (alphaload, firstload… just to name a few)

  • Section8

    [quote comment="188346"]I could care less about Usenet, they can be buried because they simply $uck. Charging for Warez goes against the true spirit of P2P.
    I looked at a sign up for Usenet, it was like $50.00 a month! No way.
    These guys are selling pirated movies, games, music…this oes way beyond mere P2P. They can go down.[/quote]

    Usenet is not P2P

  • Section8

    [quote comment="188303"]I said this on Digg:

    BitTorrent NEEDS Usenet.

    If any BitTorrent user out there wants to seed something and bring stuff to the community, he can get it from Usenet. No-one wants screw around with other sources, it’s too much hard work.

    If Usenet binaries go down, available content will reduce its flow to BitTorrent.

    I desperately don’t want that, 110%

    Usenet FTW[/quote]

    Usenet is not and never will be the supplier of Scene releases. The people that upload to Usenet are the same as the people who upload to Private Trackers. Please get your facts straight before making stupid comments.

  • Starwhite

    Santa: Where was I looking? Here is a direct link my friend: wake up and smell the coffee!
    http://www.usenext.de/index.cfm?TD=367996
    On this site if you click on ‘Sign up now’ you get a price quote for various warez packages they hawk:
    its not exactly $50.00 I said “LIKE” $50.00: I was speaking approximately: SORRY, still too much:
    $29.81 *
    24,95 € (EU price)
    per month
    Term 1 month
    monthly payment

    Again, advertizing and charging for P2P to me, (and I’ve been using P2P since it started) is wrong. It goes against the spirit of sharing files between people good naturedly.
    These guys are openly hawking and advertising warez on the internet for profit. I am sorry, but the true spirit of P2P was to share with your neighbor with an open heart. Usenet can just go away as far as I am concerned because they destroy this and are no better than the RIAA and MPAA to me. I equate them with pimping and whoring warez for profit. Or, as Obi Wan stated: QUOTE: “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”.

  • ViDAR

    Giganews.com has unlimited access for only $24.99/month

  • Fibre

    [quote comment="188303"]I said this on Digg:

    BitTorrent NEEDS Usenet.

    If any BitTorrent user out there wants to seed something and bring stuff to the community, he can get it from Usenet. No-one wants screw around with other sources, it’s too much hard work.

    If Usenet binaries go down, available content will reduce its flow to BitTorrent.

    I desperately don’t want that, 110%

    Usenet FTW[/quote]

    You are mistaken. BitTorrent doesn’t need USENET. All content comes from The Scene/Home Brew. If you’re too lazy to start a torrent that’s not our problem ;)

  • Aldras

    Starwhite: But that is not Usenet.com, is it? It’s a completely different NNTP provider.

  • Me

    Doesn’t matter, these groups that charge are all the same. Anyone or group charging for P2P violates the original intention of openly sharing. Usenet openly advertises and hawks copyrighted movies, music,
    ETC….whereas originally people sharing with one another was different. If I bought a CD for my birthday and decided to share it ought to be my business. I bought it, to me its mine. Currently this is not legal. REAL people stood up and decided that all the copyrighted, near sighted, greedy corporate infringing laws were wrong. This is how P2P began. The people simply wanted to share with one another. not for profit, but because we could. This makes us no better than the RIAA and MPAA charging for it.

  • Anonymous

    Starwhite: Usenet isn’t p2p.

    Anyway I looked at that page and nowhere did I see any advertising for downloading warez. Neither did I find any such advertising on usenet.com.

    The nearest match I found would be that you can download files and articles (no mentioning of what kind of files or articles), which is about as neutral as it can be for a service that is providing bandwidth access to usenet.

    You could say that noone needs 10/25/50GB of usenet access for legal transfers, but in that case you are arguing that we should sue every single ISP for providing access to the internet. Most ISP advertising promote warez better than those usenet providers.

  • zZ

    [quote comment="188346"]I could care less about Usenet, they can be buried because they simply $uck. Charging for Warez goes against the true spirit of P2P.
    I looked at a sign up for Usenet, it was like $50.00 a month! No way.
    These guys are selling pirated movies, games, music…this oes way beyond mere P2P. They can go down.[/quote]

    use yottanews its the best free news server out there with support of all major binary groups

  • Torgrim

    Starwhite:
    Usenet-providers are not charging for warez, they are charging for Usenet-access. The fact that a lot of warez is available on Usenet, is simply because users are posting it. It really doesn’t have anything to do with Usenet at all. And very few Usenet-providers are advertising the fact that there are warez available in certain newsgroups. It is however true that UseNeXT do this. And UseNeXT really is a horrible provider that I wish would go away. On the other hand, there are a lot of good providers too (Astraweb, NewsHosting,…).

    You keep describing Usenet as P2P, which it is _NOT_. Usenet uses the client-server model. It does of course cost money to keep the servers running (plus a lot of bandwith), and the providers do of course have to charge their users for this.

    So, in summary: The providers are _NOT_ charging for warez, and Usenet is _NOT_ P2P. And being angry with the providers for selling Usenet-access is just completely absurd.

    Thankyou.

  • cheggitzz

    usenet.com is doomed. they will probly have to filter their stuff.

    they are in the worst situation since they host the actual files.

  • Starwhite

    Right, I do not think that ANY ISP or provider should be sued period. I totally agree this is wrong. Since I have never used Usenet (I checked the link and I see that they are merely a provider) Sorry if I came off as a JackA$$. Usenet is completely innocent in my eyes. I blindly assumed they were selling P2P. My mistake completely. I was wrong. I simply meant any group selling Warez irritates a me for the above mentioned reasons.

  • cheggit_sucks

    Wow, so many of you are completely clueless about usenet (newsgroups) that I’m shocked you even know how to turn on your PC. As stated before, starwhite, Usenet.com and other usenet providers don’t ‘sell warez’, they offer a fixed amount of bandwidth access to a long established, world-wide system of newsgroup servers, that have been around since before there was HTTP (the Web, for the slow ones in the crowd).

    The usenet protocol is one of the oldest ways to access the net in existence, next to email. Newsgroups are still being used for what it was designed for, for posting and updating, well… NEWS groups. In the past they were great for things like message boards (before the explosion of BBoard forums on the web), keeping developers of open source software on the same page, job boards, real estate, for-sale boards (an early predecessor to Craig’s list) and many other legit uses. Before the web, anyone who wanted to create a running thread of conversation that was available to anyone anywhere, used a newsgroup. It was a public version of Email. It was text only, by the way, and it still is.

    Then, someone figured out how to convert a binary file (music or games or movies) into text (uuencode), and then you could post files to the groups. There are a lot of public domain files and free music files, movie trailers, wallpaper, software updates, ringtones, ebooks (lots of public domain books have been converted to ebooks by volunteers in the Guttenberg project), even amature porn that is given away by the couples who make it.

    Usenet providers allow you to connect to that resource, and charge you for the access and the bandwidth. Its up to you how you use that bandwidth, either on copyrighted files, or the legit stuff. And by the way, most of you already have free access to newsgroups right now, and don’t even realize it. You don’t even need to purchase an account at a usenet provider. Most home broadband ISP accounts give you free access to their newsgroup server. Its usually limited to a few gigs, but thats enough for most people who download legit files.

    Stop making random clueless accusations about a service you obviously know nothing about. Its people like you that keep scammers like Usenext in business.

  • blie dvd745

    [quote comment="188406"]usenet.com is doomed. they will probly have to filter their stuff.

    they are in the worst situation since they host the actual files.[/quote]

    you need to google info on past court casess on newsgroups

    napster lost it’s case because it was a service usenet.com is a service provider.. Grokser lost because yes it advertised it’s service to get the napster market wich is usenet.com did, but there is one other key point why it lost tt did not make any atempt to remove the content and usenet complies with dmca take down.

  • creative

    u can take down torrents but we will alllways find a way to bypass the law fuck the law if the compaines where not affaried to lose there millions and millions and lose there steaks we wouldnt have a dam issuie then whats wrong with sharring i was allways tought to share when i was growing up and now there teeling us not to share whats wrong with that picture

  • sonofsmog

    [quote comment="188413"]Wow, so many of you are completely clueless about usenet (newsgroups) that I’m shocked you even know how to turn on your PC… And by the way, most of you already have free access to newsgroups right now, and don’t even realize it.
    [/quote]

    Don’t enlighten the clueless. Let them stay on P2P where it takes days to suck down one crappy file while I suck down warez, entire DVD’s and whatever, at 15 Mbps (that 1.8 megaBYTES a second for the uninformed) straight from my ISP Verizon, and never wait for a “seeder.”

    The RIAA is smart to take on USENET.com for their statements, but I don’t think they will have much luck attacking the NNTP protocol. There is just too much data for ISP’s and server operators to filter, and they would be taking on some enormous (phone company) ISP’s.

  • jill

    YES maby now i wont see thoes anoying as hell usenet ads.

  • Starwhite

    Well I never did use newsgroups for anything to be honest. I was completely unaware that people do download files from ‘newsgroups’. My bad. Beyond the fact that I know they exist was the extent of my knowledge. I think the majority of people probably do not as well.

  • Usenet

    To the idiot that keeps saying its “against the scene” to pay for warez. Usenet doesnt charge per download you idiot. I dont pay to download movies off usenet, I pay for the dedicated servers constant download speed. anything you want is dl’d at 100% of your speed, 100% of the time. Thats ike saying you pay for your warez because you pay for internet service. Good luck downloading 8GB movies off a public torrent site, while I do it in under 20 minutes.

  • Principe

    At this point I’m tired of reading ignorant comments about this issue. I really don’t see the point in making comments about something your clueless about?

  • ya’ll dumb

    Too many stupid comments but uninformed people.

    Either way this sucks but it was bound to happen and frankly am surprised it has happened earlier.

    But I guess in the eyes of **AA suing single parents and dead people are more profitable then going after the source.

    I hope usenet.com stands up for themselves I mean they can’t police everything but I guess we’ll see what happens.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="188413"]Wow, so many of you are completely clueless about usenet (newsgroups) that I’m shocked you even know how to turn on your PC. As stated before, starwhite, Usenet.com and other usenet providers don’t ‘sell warez’, they offer a fixed amount of bandwidth access to a long established, world-wide system of newsgroup servers, that have been around since before there was HTTP (the Web, for the slow ones in the crowd).

    The usenet protocol is one of the oldest ways to access the net in existence, next to email. Newsgroups are still being used for what it was designed for, for posting and updating, well… NEWS groups. In the past they were great for things like message boards (before the explosion of BBoard forums on the web), keeping developers of open source software on the same page, job boards, real estate, for-sale boards (an early predecessor to Craig’s list) and many other legit uses. Before the web, anyone who wanted to create a running thread of conversation that was available to anyone anywhere, used a newsgroup. It was a public version of Email. It was text only, by the way, and it still is.

    Then, someone figured out how to convert a binary file (music or games or movies) into text (uuencode), and then you could post files to the groups. There are a lot of public domain files and free music files, movie trailers, wallpaper, software updates, ringtones, ebooks (lots of public domain books have been converted to ebooks by volunteers in the Guttenberg project), even amature porn that is given away by the couples who make it.

    Usenet providers allow you to connect to that resource, and charge you for the access and the bandwidth. Its up to you how you use that bandwidth, either on copyrighted files, or the legit stuff. And by the way, most of you already have free access to newsgroups right now, and don’t even realize it. You don’t even need to purchase an account at a usenet provider. Most home broadband ISP accounts give you free access to their newsgroup server. Its usually limited to a few gigs, but thats enough for most people who download legit files.

    Stop making random clueless accusations about a service you obviously know nothing about. Its people like you that keep scammers like Usenext in business.[/quote]

    Thank goodness someone said what I was thinking while reading this line of clueless comments. People trying to complain and make points with so little knowledge. Hell, some of which can’t even spell! Geez, one of the reasons I’ve loved NNTP for years; there aren’t tons of idiots posting crap like this. ;)

    Usenet was once like Fight Club, noone talked about it other than on Usenet.

  • Ink

    Are you ppl insane!
    I mean I would usually bash enigmax for posting this thing but he clearly stated his reason in the first sentence and that is ok so far…
    but why does every idiot with an usenet account start barging about speed and whatnot!? This is the reason usenet was put on the map in the first place – not that it would have been save forever but it would probably helped to stop things like usenext to spread so fast if ppl were able to just shut up. *sigh*

  • Git er downloaded

    Yeah, I don’t really see this going anywhere. Usenet.com is a company providing metered NNTP access, and nowhere that I can see do they advertise copyright infringement services. They can maybe be forced to nuke a group, but another one will just spring up to take its place, due to the nature of group requests and naming policies.

    I’m pretty lucky with my isp: 10mbps down and 90day retention newsgroups (obviously farmed out to some larger NNTP provider) with no caps.

  • Jose.Jimenez

    I am truly amazed at the clueless n00bs who do not realize that most (if not all) ISP’s include NNTP access as part of your monthly service. The downside of ISP provided (free) NNTP access is that you are stuck with 2GB or 4GB monthly download limits, and/or the retention is shorter than commercial NNTP providers. Two six packs of Guiness costs me $17, so the $15/month for unlimited access that companies like Astraweb and Powerusenet charge is a bargain.

  • Emptyplaces

    Why did all the rationales come out at the end? If Usenet.com go down the tubes who cares! Only suckers would sign up for a pay service on top of the service you get for free with your ISP like Jose says. Personally I hardly ever use Usenet anymore. Speed is good but a pain in the ass to look around for stuff.

  • ZombieLoffe

    Most warez groups release directly to Usenet before the releases are forwarded to the BitTorrent trackers. This could turn out bad.

  • Yatti

    RIAA needs to be stopped..

  • raider

    **AA has a long way to go before they can take out NNTP. Should be fun to watch them try!

  • Mike

    Yawn…do you really think the would charge 30 $ / month for usenet access if no warez and stuff would there to be found only open source stuff and nothing illegal…wake up!

    The usenet became so popular because of what u get there and the moment it got popular some corporate a$$hole said ‘Let make some dough from it’ .

  • @

    charging for service is the same as selling warez. period.

    If the warez is hosted by, and then a charge is issued, your paying for warez. end of story!

    dont care what you usenet junkies think or say.

  • Mike

    Yawn…do you really think they would charge 30 $/month for usenet access if no warez and stuff would there to be found only open source stuff and nothing illegal…wake up!

    The usenet became so popular and ppl became willing to pay for the ‘bandwidth’ because of what u get there & the moment it got popular some corporate a$$hole said ‘Let make some dough from it’.

    Never heard of the law of supply and demand?

  • yep.

    may usenet die a quick corporate death!

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    [quote comment="188483"]Most warez groups release directly to Usenet before the releases are forwarded to the BitTorrent trackers. This could turn out bad.[/quote]

    Sorry, thats NOT how it works, and never has.

  • jax

    God bless cheggit_sucks. He’s the only one (other than me) who knows what the hell newsgroups (the original usenet) is. And while I have the mic, allow me to kill another rumor… Al Gore didn’t invent the internets.

  • yep.

    [quote comment="188530"] Al Gore didn’t invent the internets.[/quote]

    whats the internets? enlighten me please.

  • $%

    [quote]Most warez groups release directly to Usenet before the releases are forwarded to the BitTorrent trackers. This could turn out bad.[/quote]

    If by “release directly to usenet” you mean “don’t release to usenet but instead release to topsites”, then you’re right.

  • cheggitzz

    ppl keep defeding usenet and nntp protocol. from a technical pov its not doing anything wrong. but from a legal pov, its a warez repository.

    as long as you got copyrighted stuff posted without permission, you will be history regardless of the technology.

    defend the technology all you want, it is irrelevant. the real issue is are they keeping copyrighted material (uuencoded or not doesnt matter).

  • @

    [quote comment="188536"]
    defend the technology all you want, it is irrelevant. the real issue is are they keeping copyrighted material (uuencoded or not doesnt matter).[/quote]

    YeP. And they also charge you for the ‘service’ to download it. What a crock. The second you download warez (of any kind) from usenet, YOU HAVE PAID FOR WAREZ! –suckerss

  • cheggitzz

    [quote comment="188413"]Newsgroups are still being used for what it was designed for, for posting and updating, well… NEWS groups.[/quote]

    it is STILL being used for its original purpose, but in addition to that it is NOW being used for piracy.

    [quote comment="188413"]Its up to you how you use that bandwidth, either on copyrighted files, or the legit stuff.[/quote]

    eh what? you own the bandwidth, sure. but you dont own the content.

  • Apples

    [quote comment="188539"][quote comment="188536"]
    defend the technology all you want, it is irrelevant. the real issue is are they keeping copyrighted material (uuencoded or not doesnt matter).[/quote]

    YeP. And they also charge you for the ‘service’ to download it. What a crock. The second you download warez (of any kind) from usenet, YOU HAVE PAID FOR WAREZ! –suckerss[/quote]

    You pay for internet right? Then the second you download warez from ANYWHERE, you have paid for warez!

  • @

    [quote comment="188549"]
    You pay for internet right? Then the second you download warez from ANYWHERE, you have paid for warez![/quote]

    Nice try, but since my ISP is not hosting the warez, you’re dead wrong buddy.

  • Andrew

    What dick went and told the RIAA about Usenet? Everyone knows the first rule of usenet, is to not talk about….

  • Arqentus

    cheggitzz:

    From a technical pov, the web is not doing anything wrong, but from a legal pov, its a warez repository.

    Now substitute web with ‘ftp’, ‘nntp’, ‘torrents’, … And the list goes on. Every & any system on this planet has a “warez” use.

    In effect, any ISP is guilty of warez sharing. Any newsserver providers is guilty of warez sharing ( and even those with text only can be found guilty for offering maybe offensive text messages ). Any ftp thats publicly accessible can be guilty of warez sharing ( a nice place of scene people to put there releases )… and the list goes on again.

    The difference with the past, is how usernet used to be hard to use. No par system, no friendly User Interfaces, no nbz files, no index sites, etc… Today, its like torrents, click & let her rip.

    And thats the real power of warez these days. Its so use friendly, it now creeps in every corner of the world. Combine that with servers that don’t cost a hand & a leg anymore, 5 or 10Mbits home connections and anybody can start “sharing” & “leeching” in half a dozen ways.

    Lets face it. Warez is here to stay big time. And these actions are way to late to do anything against it.
    No more geeks going around at BBS sites, using hidden tags to access those files, with strict 1:1 rules… Warez has moved into the main stream.

    People want it easy, they want it cheap, and they want it 5 min ago. And warez these days caters to this. Unlike the music industries, film industries, and a whole lot of other industries who missed the ball, thinking there monopoly’s, and exclusive contracts where going to last a eternity. And lets face it, they create the problem themselves. Radio to loud at work, and the customers can hear it. Bwam. Pay up or we sue…

  • QQ

    There is also the fact that DOWNLOADING music, movies and books is perfectly legal in my country. I break no laws at all by accessing a newgroup and downloading a movie from there.

    :)

  • Arbiter
  • yep

    Actually no, BUT, if you have ‘paid’ for access of use to that newsgroup, you are breaking the biggest law of warez-
    thou shall not PAY for or SELL warez.
    like usenet is doing.

  • outphase

    You’re not paying for access to a specific newsgroup. You are paying for dedicated and fast access to all newsgroups. A lot of ISP/University servers filter out binaries or have very short retention lengths.

  • ^

    [quote]What dick went and told the RIAA about Usenet? Everyone knows the first rule of usenet, is to not talk about….[/quote]

    Usenet isn’t, and has never been, some secret.

  • Swedish Pirate

    Nice.. one more service for TPB to adopt :P

    Can’t touch this! (In Sweden).

  • Dave

    [quote comment="188568"]you are breaking the biggest law of warez-
    thou shall not PAY for or SELL warez.
    like usenet is doing.[/quote]

    I take it you use free cable/dsl to download stuff? The best usenet companies are even cheaper than them.

    What ISP would sell you unlimited download at 20+ Mbps for $15/month?

  • Newsgroup Addict

    Damn soon I won’t be able to use Newzbin, Newsleecher (that I paid for) and my newsgroup server.

    I guess I need to stop soon, been saying it for years, “Why are these servers still up?” and after reading this headline on Slashdot, it finally caught up.

    There is a lot of dumb comments on here, that is for sure. I can say I have never used P2P or bittorrent because I have newsgroups.

  • Fuck you people, seriously

    About 99% of you people are complete idiots, and I hope you all realize it. I have honestly seen only TWO PEOPLE who have any REAL understanding of what’s happening here

    Usenet has not ever, does not ever, and never will sell you “warez”. All they charge for is bandwidth. THAT’S IT. Any illegal content posted to Usenet is the fault of its users. And even then, nobody’s forcing anybody to actually download any of it at all.

    But whatever, go ahead and keep a tight deathgrip on your shitty Limewire and your oh-so-apparent denial that you are inflicted with a severe case of stupidity.

  • bborne

    The RIAA is rearranging chairs on the Titanic.

    Radiohead’s latest album is the clearest sign yet that the world is changing. No record contracts, no mandatory distribution agreements – none of what is ‘Big Music’ will matter in a few years.

    All the RIAA exists for now is protect their back catalog for as long as possible. Jack V’s dead and his isn’t coming back..

  • Some_guy

    No matter how you look at it, NewsGroups is safer.

    Sure, they can file a lawsuit. By the time that lawsuit comes to court the retention of the file causing the issue will be long gone, with no trace. This is not torrents where downloads can linger on for 3 or 4 or 5 years. This is NewsGroups, and the average retention is 75 days. Good luck getting a hearing this big within that time frame.

  • jeff

    as soon as you turn on your PC you pay for warez! that’s against the warez credo man!

    /retard

  • Q$RQWQ#$%R

    Look at all you dumb fookers talking about stuff you aren’t supposed to talk about. You are just as bad as the clueless, except you are worse. You are trying to tout your knowledge. Just STFU and leave em be.

  • Analyserz

    Hey, they can shut down the whole Internet while they’re at it! Yes, and also Blind the eyes of this site’s reader… yeah

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  • h33t

    enigmax you did good reporting what is happening

    cheggit_sucks you are correct 150%

    Arqentus you are a paid employee of the MAFIAA

  • Jack

    Piracy took over p2p traffic because it was such a great tool for it, but it wasn’t exclusive to it. P2p is and has been used for many non-piracy activities. Many games use p2p technology for security updates and other such things. Usenet, IRC, Tor, Freenet, and other networks are also not exclusively designed for piracy. The difference is that they haven’t been as attractive for pirating material as p2p applications that were designed to improve file sharing.

  • Dav

    This thread is full of RIAA shills,
    trying to convince us otherwise. Morons

  • Usenet

    if half of you knew what Usenet actually is you’d all be smarter.

    Usenet is an incredibly old protocol thats been around for years, because of the way it works making it free is not feasible in many cases.

    You connect to a server, you download from server. imagine if it was free, you end up with the same problem as downloading from HTTP servers. the server would be overloaded quickly and die.

    Difference is half of you retards will never understand usenet because you’ve never had it. — Bit torrent download 1gb – takes anywhere from 1hour to one day to complete depending on peers.

    Usenet never takes more than 30minutes for that for me. I pay $20 a month for newshosting, I download say, 80gb a week maybe?

    I like how all you retards act all smug because you see it that usenet is paying for warez, you’re paying for bandwidth, bandwidth is neither good nor evil. end of the day, if you get [insert hottest new game here] from bit torrent or usenet nobody who developed the game is getting a dime, so get your head out of your smug little asses.

    That is all, enjoy your ignorance.

  • h33t

    [quote comment="188650"]This thread is full of RIAA shills,
    trying to convince us otherwise. Morons[/quote]

    YES

    torrentfreak MUST implement an editorial policy or become like slyk

    [quote comment="188652"]if half of you knew what Usenet actually is you’d all be smarter.

    Usenet is an incredibly old protocol thats been around for years, because of the way it works making it free is not feasible in many cases.

    You connect to a server, you download from server. imagine if it was free, you end up with the same problem as downloading from HTTP servers. the server would be overloaded quickly and die.

    Difference is half of you retards will never understand usenet because you’ve never had it. — Bit torrent download 1gb – takes anywhere from 1hour to one day to complete depending on peers.

    Usenet never takes more than 30minutes for that for me. I pay $20 a month for newshosting, I download say, 80gb a week maybe?

    I like how all you retards act all smug because you see it that usenet is paying for warez, you’re paying for bandwidth, bandwidth is neither good nor evil. end of the day, if you get [insert hottest new game here] from bit torrent or usenet nobody who developed the game is getting a dime, so get your head out of your smug little asses.

    That is all, enjoy your ignorance.[/quote]

    true

  • laughing

    ok, I only made it about a third of the way through the comments, but it is painfully clear that you guys talking the smack have no idea what NNTP, newsgroups, usenet (NOT usenet.com), and the binary groups are. . .those of us that have been around for a while remember when there was NO http://www.ANYTHING!!!! I know it’s hard to imagine, but it’s true. Usenet was one THE social network back then.
    The dumbest comment I saw was about usenet.com being in trouble because they were actually HOSTING the files. I did laugh out loud at that one.

  • Jax

    [quote comment="188532"][quote]Most warez groups release directly to Usenet before the releases are forwarded to the BitTorrent trackers. This could turn out bad.[/quote]

    If by “release directly to usenet” you mean “don’t release to usenet but instead release to topsites”, then you’re right.[/quote]

    Please, tell me this is just a poor attempt at humor. Just in case it’s not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_(colloquialism)

  • laughing

    crap that link in my previous post was not meant to be a link — disregard the fake search page it goes to. . .I just meant there was no web pages at all!!!

  • jax

    [quote comment="188531"][quote comment="188530"] Al Gore didn’t invent the internets.[/quote]

    whats the internets? enlighten me please.[/quote]

    Please, tell me this is just a poor attempt at humor. Just in case it’s not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets_(colloquialism)

  • Mark

    This is how the Usenet works…There are thousands and thousands of independent news servers scattered all over the planet.

    Each of these servers if providing content to the public will typically receive one or more “Full” feeds of articles sent via the NNTP protocol.

    You can get your Full feed from anywhere really, the only consideration is that the server(s) you receive feeds from should themselves be well fed. That way you ensure that your News server has most of the articles that get posted (by people like you and me).

    When a person uses some client NNTP software to “post” an article to a news server to which you have access whether that be via Usenet.com or your ISP or your very own server in your basement, those posted articles are gathered up on a scheduled basis and sent out to the downstream servers that your server feeds.

    In this way your postings are propagated throughout the “Usenet” in a rather remarkably quick fashion. Each of your articles’ whether they be text messages or uuencoded binaries are literally sitting on hard drives on each and every server that accepts the article.

    While the RIAA is going after Usenet.com it’s merely propaganda. They will accomplish nothing really in a practical sense. Even if they were able to force some sort of filtering, they would need to have 100% compliance and that would be very difficult to impossible to achieve. The NNTP protocol is simply not able to be bent to the RIAA’s will. They will use a successful attack against Usenet.com as a basis to force the major news feed providers to police their content and it remains to seen how that could be accomplished in the U.S. when weighed against freedom of speech rights. Meaning you can’t just cast a wide blanket over the content for fear of crushing the “good” content as well as the “bad”

    I’d suggest they would have much more fun issuing DCMA take down requests to each and every server owner each time they discover an infringing piece of content :-) That will keep them more than busy.

  • Me

    Haha, that vid link that Arbiter posted made me think of ‘The Warez Song’ by Test of Time. Anyone remember that one? Google it…its out on the ‘internets’.
    I bet that most of the people posting here wouldn’t even a have a clue what that song is talking about! :)

    “Went to some guys ftp, 1:4 ratio. Upload my swap file, download Super Mario.” haha:)

  • Batteryman

    I discovered some interesting out of print songs with Usenet. Some ISP’s include Usenet but throddled down. Copyrighted songs go back to the 1890′s. What happened to the Public Domain?

  • jefffisher

    To all you idiots that hope usenet dies, think it’s selling warez and whatnot i’m glad you’re too dumb to figure it out how it really works that’s what keeps it so nice for the rest of us so i wont even bother trying to explain anything like so many others have so nicely done before me.

    To anyone worried about this in the slightest don’t be, usenet.com will probably win even if they don’t not a big loss plenty more around hell even if usenet as a whole is made completely illegal there is atleast one server in every country in the world that has web access and in many of those country’s the law will never apply.

    To anyone neither ignorant nor knowledgeable i suggest you give usenet a try it really is every bit as good as they say and if you don’t like it no big loss, figuring something out, signing up for a trial looking to see if your isp offers it. and if you still feel reluctant let me offer a short math lesson to all you torrenters out there if you’re on a 10/1 line for instance and you need to keep a 1:1 ratio all good people should you technically could download 3 terabytes in a month but with that upload and ratio holding you back you can really only get one tenth of that while someone with the same line on usenet can actually achieve their 3TB without restrictions, the same math applies with slight number adjustments to anyone on an asynchronous line.

    To anyone who thinks my above math is wrong or they don’t need to worry about uploading on p2p fuck you if everyone thought like the net as we know it would die.

    To anyone i missed i’m truly sorry but you just aren’t that important.

  • Me

    [quote comment="188699"]
    To anyone i missed i’m truly sorry but you just aren’t that important.[/quote]

    jefffisher: Naturally you’re more important than anyone else! LOL! OMG! what an A$$! We get the idea,
    usenet is what existed before the anyone had a website, or www. Bigdeal. And yes, there is lots of content one can obtain, movies, MP3s, comics ETC. Searching it can be a headache.

  • utyube

    i doubt usenet itself will be affected. the discussion groups, that will stay. but the binaries that contains pirated stuff, that will go.

    the worst than can happen is filtering.

    dont worry if usenet is gonna disappear, never. but postings of copyrighted movies/music on the binaries group will disappear :)

  • Haklin

    Since learning how to use usenet i’ll never go back to torrents.

    Long live usenet!!!

  • Bobby Earl

    So if every blogger and digital freedom advocate is so pissed at the RIAA why don’t we take our beef to them.

    I would think tens of thousands of pissed off people standing outside the RIAA offices holding Anti-RIAA posters, chanting “Down with the RIAA” or “F**k you greedy bastard RIAA pieces of s**t”, would grab all of the headlines. It’s time for the “eCommunity” to become a community of presence on the streets.

    We can take action before it’s too late. Are you up for it? Or will you hide behind your computer and do nothing?

  • Steve Savage

    I’m kind of glad that the RIAA doesn’t even begin to understand how USENET works.
    Its been here forever, even before the WWW existed, and I’m hoping that the crossover sites that harvest files from usenet never become popular, because USENET is a hidden treasure trove thats a great refuge from the web that’s overrun by the flotsam and jetsam of users.

  • Peabody

    Unfortunately for the RIAA, USENET has about a billion more dollars than they do. It’ll be interesting to see the “big bully” take on a company with vastly more resources than they do.

  • former usenet access provider

    The fact that so many of these responses are from people clueless as to just what usenet is shows that the RIAA may have made a huge mistake on this one. They should have just stuck with flooding groups and been happy. Sure, usenet.com is a twat for their flaunting of the content, but ISP’s offer usenet access for free. Imagine what happens when people figure out all the music they want has been sitting there waiting for them courtesy of Time Warner, et al, all this time. All that and no worries about being busted for sharing. It’s an archaic protocol, but most could master it using some GUI interface. Don’t they realize there is no central location for usenet and usenet.com is just acting as a common carrier? Good luck RIAA, you’ll be needing it.

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  • Kodo

    I only use usenet to download TV shows that aren’t on here in Aus, or if they are on they are weeks behind.

    I am happy to pay Giganews for that and it very easy a LOT faster than trying to get through BT. Stick to BT if you want while rest of us get watch stuff in minutes rather than hrs or days.

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  • slim

    Lots of dumb users on hear talking s**t they know nothing about. First off the suit is against Usenet.com and not USENET. So one provider not the entire USENET. Secondly all the “Scene” talk going on is hilarious. I think I read one comment that got it right, topsites. Dona ask how to get them, you cant. Thirdly all the “your paying for warez” is so wrong. One commenter said that if you pay for internet you paying for warez, BANG ON buddy as long as the user is downloading warez. Usenet access is not paying for warez. I have used usenet for years now and while I do download movies, music and other stuff off of it, I do use it to post to groups that pertain to may interests (coding, math, etc). So am I paying for warez or am I paying for fast access to a staple in my internet life?

    Google a bit and get your facts straight before you start spouting off about topics you know nothing about people.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="188346"]I could care less about Usenet, they can be buried because they simply $uck. Charging for Warez goes against the true spirit of P2P.
    I looked at a sign up for Usenet, it was like $50.00 a month! No way.
    These guys are selling pirated movies, games, music…this oes way beyond mere P2P. They can go down.[/quote]

    So you’re OK with just stealing it, you just don’t want to pay for stolen goods is that what you’re saying?

  • suXXo

    the solution is easy.

    dont download anything related to mpaa/riaa.

    problem solved.

  • operagost

    [quote comment="188690"] Copyrighted songs go back to the 1890′s. What happened to the Public Domain?[/quote]
    Copyright in the USA lasts for a maximum for 95 years, basically. It has been extended several times, and the end result is that works before 1925 are in the public domain (nothing leaves the public domain after entering it).

  • Me

    There is NO WAY I’ll ever pay for Warez…GIGANEWS is selling pirated contenet: $crew that: From their site:
    Diamond Platinum Silver Bronze
    $19.991st month* $24.99per month $12.99per month $7.99per month

    I can see why the MPAA and RIAA would be upset: here we have bozos like this openly hawking and advertising WAREZ for sale, GREEDY stupid morons…..GEE who do you think called attention to usenet…let me think…

  • LSD

    [quote comment="188433"][quote comment="188413"]Wow, so many of you are completely clueless about usenet (newsgroups) that I’m shocked you even know how to turn on your PC… And by the way, most of you already have free access to newsgroups right now, and don’t even realize it.
    [/quote]

    Don’t enlighten the clueless. Let them stay on P2P where it takes days to suck down one crappy file while I suck down warez, entire DVD’s and whatever, at 15 Mbps (that 1.8 megaBYTES a second for the uninformed) straight from my ISP Verizon, and never wait for a “seeder.”

    The RIAA is smart to take on USENET.com for their statements, but I don’t think they will have much luck attacking the NNTP protocol. There is just too much data for ISP’s and server operators to filter, and they would be taking on some enormous (phone company) ISP’s.[/quote]
    -

    ROFL that was hilarious! Here you are trying too sound leet and smart and end up looking like a total idiot.

    Days to download something? And 1.8 being faster? lol.

    On zero day private trackers i’m downloading at the same time you are and half the time faster.

  • jasontor

    All of this is bullcrap. I’d like to see them take down every mailing service in the USA.

    I have been getting my content through mail in about 3 days. I pay $25 and then I get 100G’s of data, whatever I may choose. This method takes away from the **AA’s, your isp and others.

    We have all become so dependent on the Internet that we forgot there is a postal service out there.

    Are any of you saying that you wouldn’t invest $25 per 100G’s worth of files? I’ve been doing it for years.

    Stop following all the traditional downloading…. period. It’s worth every penny to pay $25 and get 100′s of movies in a few days top. I still download, but my source have everything a person wants all for a small fee.

    Also, if the **AA’s and the anti-piracy groups are such a deterrent for p2p, then why is it that there are millions of people doing it as we speak, but at most they only come up with 100 or so cases per year, if that….. yet they still don’t win. And we’re not talking about those that settled out of court.

    The whole **AA’s and their crony groups are all a bunch of jokes.

    Let’s see them hassle the postal services. They CAN’T monitor the whole world, as like the US Government wants to do.

    As long as people file share, and do it often, they will eventually bankrupt those major corporations and then they will dismantle the **AA’s… all we have to do is keep file sharing. If you have to do it though the regular mail, do it.

  • dadas

    soon the RIAA is going to take anyone whith a Internet Connection to court..

    when is the courts going to say to the RIAA “Stop Wasteing the Courts time with this Bullshit”???

  • Starwhite

    .[/quote]

    So you’re OK with just stealing it, you just don’t want to pay for stolen goods is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

    I am saying that if people choose to share what they legally obtained and share it with me, and I share mine, then thats cool. Thats what P2P is baby! Yeah! And its sweeeeeet! If the GREEEDY Lawyers and CORRUPT politicians don’t like it they can kiss my A$$! Because we the people don’t have a problem with file sharing. I refuse to participate in selling ‘shared’ files. When I share and take its from my heart. Since Corporate america has no heart, only $$$ they cannot understand.

  • Brenden67

    Just to help the ignorant people who don’t understand usenet, it is not p2p. It is not related to p2p. It is a protocol like http, ftp, irc, ect. It is nntp (network news transfer protocol). And usenet providers have to charge something because they host all the news groups to which people post to. Not all is pirated music, movies, software, etc, but there is lots of that stuff. You can get just as much if not more via http or ftp, so if they want to stop usenet, they should also stop http and ftp too.

    You pay for your web browsing, right? So why is it wrong to charge for nntp? What gives people the right to expect to get everything for free? Where does this sense of entitlement come from?

    People need to get their facts before they just blurt out stupidity.

    And usually, you get nntp along with your internet access. Most people are way to dumb to even know that.

    Every protocol has its pros and cons when it comes to warez, music, movies, etc. So just use the one you like and leave the others alone.

  • Rekrul

    I use Usenet almost exclusively. Besides being faster and less trouble than TRYING to use Bittorrent (Unregistered Tracker! Invalid Tracker! No Seeds! Etc, etc, etc) it’s also safer for downloading. Nobody knows what you’re downloading, except the Usenet provider and the RIAA/MPAA would need a court order to go through their logs. Even then, it wouldn’t pay to sue downloaders. If they did, they’d have milllions to sue, or they’d have to explain to a judge why they were suing users 1-50, but not users 50-1,000,000.

    The problem with this lawsuit is that if they win, it could set a precedent that would make it easiest to sue the next Usenet provider. If that happens, NSPs will start dropping the binary groups rather than risk being sued.

    In the past, I would have said that Usenet.com was safe due to their Common Carrier Status. Unfortunately, it seems that Copyright mania is sweeping through the legal system and judges seem happy to ignore established laws in their quest to help the RIAA/MPAA stamp out anything they don’t agree with. :(

  • Ink

    BS you don’t have to explain why you’re not suing someone and even if you had to “We want to set an example” would probably be enough. They want to get binaries down not a single user btw.

    On another subject.
    Even though I’ve got to say most posters here are right about usenet they are sadly mistaken about BT.
    I’ve been on usenet for ages but I don’t want to life without BT. Get yourself some decent tracker invites!

    Its amazing how most ppl seem to stick with ‘what works for them’ they don’t even care to look into another direction – if it’s only to see whats going on. And that seems to be true for both bt and usenet users.

  • SounDemon

    Two words:
    Section 230

  • winux

    The internet is doomed. Usenet uses NNTP, which has been around forever. Now, if RIAA wins, they can go after anyone that offers NNTP services for free or not. Then after that, they may as well go after file-hosting sites like yourfilehost.com. Then, they may as well just go after anyone that offers FTP services. Then just the entire internet. The RIAA needs a new plan, and cannot even determine how much money they lose is due to illegal file sharing–they just assume it’s because of the internet.

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  • Intra

    Oky doky

    NEW Game Idea TiTle

    And if any u didnt know the Game industry owns the film and music industry(so they wanna fuken play hey)lol u wonna own our nets.

    Hell Gammer Camp V’S The RIAA

    This can be done with either say a

    Half life mod
    Counter strike mod
    Bf 2142 Mod
    Crysis mod
    Hell why not mix the lot together

    now think of some of the scenarios

    1. u and ur team storm the riaa headquarters for a friendly chat after camp and im sure these little puffs will know who’s warezin the boots, heh cause in our midst there is some true esplanage they will never recover from, lol im sure some of u are already in, so there all sitting there in there nice little suits and really wtf would be going through there heads lol we shoulda bought gammer shares. heheheheh

  • LessPaul

    File sharing no doubt has some legitimate uses, tho I’m having trouble thinking of many. But those legitimate uses have been corrupted by those seeking to avoid paying just compensation to the content’s creator. Just because you can, doesn’t make it right. This isn’t about trying to stifle technological innovation. It is about banning the illegal things people DO with it.

    BTW…I’m no fan of the RIAA. At all. They’ve been stealing from and abusing artists forever. Prison rape of a pedophile might be poetic justice, but it’s still wrong as well.

    As a non-performing songwriter, I feel the artists’ pain. You work for years to build a catalog so you can feed yourself and your family thru CD sales. Then all of a sudden, the technology comes along that lets anyone anonymously copy your work and enjoy it on demand without having to pay for it. Wonderful. So you bone with impunity the artists whose work you love.

  • ThinkingMan

    LessPaul, I don’t know of any artist that makes more than $.05 cents per cd. Even as a songwriter, you probably sell the rights outright and get no royalties. We make our money two ways. We either sell our songs outright, or play out. The RIAA has been f*ing everyone and they’ve got the lobbyists to show for it.

    And the RIAA suing ISP’s and p2p sights is retarded. In the same retarded analogy they are making, I could submit that they are the cause of thug music and promoting a lifestyle that is ultimately causing the shortened lives of children, promoting gang life, and music levels far above appropriate decibel levels that have led to acute and massive loss of hearing.

    In a world where you can TIVO or record a VHS of your favorite show, do they want to collect royalties for this as well? After all, I don’t know of any show that doesn’t have a musical opening.

  • LessPaul

    ThinkingMan….

    Most major record companies’ standard contracts put the artist’s CD cut at 10-15%. Mega-artists with clout can get 30% or more. Problem is, of course that all production costs are born by the artist.

    Big arists make so much money that they don’t care they’re geting screwed by the record label. Most mid level bands spend their entire contract in debt to their label.

    The only way out of that hole is to sell more CDs. It sucks.

    The best way to support a band you like is to buy their CDs. If they are available online for free, the CDs become virtually worthless.

    And BTW…the standard songwriter royalty is 8 cents per CD pressed. And we split that with the publisher. And if there’s another co-writer or two, we spilit our share with them, too.

  • Intra

    Well maybe my game option was a bit much but really there are for’s and against for both ,its pretty sad the artists only get around $0.05 for each track

    i guess some thing has to be done that makes all parties happy but it seems so not in favour towards the artist or the listener

    but really if u have downloaded gigs of songs etc , like do u really listen to 100+ hrs of music a day,
    option deleat songs u dont use and pay some royalties say like 5 cents to artist and 2 cents to label.

    sure prices would vary for latest hits etc

    sure apple have a use pay model which is reasonable

    more options for paying like who would give there visa number over the net i wouldnt.

  • Joe

    What’s funny is the old concept of people with multiline phone service and 4+ modems on a PC. The “BBS” phenomeon was of course cut dead by:
    A) New legislation forcing registration/logging=most just closed them down.
    B) The price of an Internet connection to IRC as a client was much more convenient since you could connect anytime. It was also nice to not have to worry about having hundreds of wires coming out of your wall and $$$/month as an operator for only a small amount of users. ;)
    C) AOL, etc. Really, the public availability of the WWW alone pretty much dwarved what most BBSes could do. A lot of users found no point in BBSes anymore.

    The reason I mention this, is that there’s now a ton of people with WIFI sharing Internet access, but it would be neat to see a distributed BBS network using a combination of WIFI, LANs, and the Internet. Add signatures, encryption, and Freenet/TOR/Onion/I2P/etc. support, and something like VPNs and you may have a winner! I see it being possible that soon, you’ll see people not even using an ISP to access files. This would be cool. :)

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  • Nocturne

    According to Billboard.biz, the ninth wave of pre-litigation letters has been sent by the RIAA to administrators at 19 universities. The letters are part of the ongoing campaign to offer those using university networks to illegally share music to settle claims before they are named in a lawsuit. The 411 letters bring the total sent to 3,740. The ongoing initiative comes as federal lawmakers continue to examine the state of copyright theft on college campuses nationwide. This summer, Congress convened a hearing focused on the technological tools that can prevent or curtail illegal file sharing. The RIAA has also developed “best practices” information, based on the tools and practices initiated by schools experiencing fewer incidences of piracy on their networks. Specifically, universities that have experienced the most positive results have instituted specific reforms that educate students on campus network use and enforcement policies, offer affordable legal alternatives that give students access to their favorite music, and implement appropriate technological tools that protect the integrity of their networks.

  • James White

    Usenet is for legal stuff as well not to mention FREE PORNOGRAPHY.

    Looks like we will all have to give to give out our credit card just to look at porn not to mention Big Brother will know you like to look at porn.

    Welcome to the Police State!

  • newsreader

    After reading all comments so far on this topic theres only a few that obvioulsy know what they are talking about …..The Usenet is a good thing not bad, has and always will be – if you cant understand that then you obviously know nothing about it. Piracy will be around for years to come and organisations will make money from it any which way they can. IMHO if the music and film industries were to concentrate more on lowering prices of the media they produce instead of whining on about how many millions they have lost in internet piracy maybe the artists would see more???? Internet piracy is a quick clause for them to tell the artist sales have flopped if you ask me…..

    Most markets I have been to sell pirated films for around a fiver a piece and make a huge profit on that i guess… So instead of charging over the odds for a dvd , if Industries priced the movies at a reasonable price …people would buy them rather than the copy???
    I know myself if i was offered a pirate cd for 4 quid and i could buy the original for say 6 or 7 quid, I would buy the Original…. Music and movie Industries are always saying that the reason they have to charge such prices is because of the amount of money they lose in piracy……So if piracy came to a stand still and nobody was doing it … Would they lower the price of their products ..mmmmmmm I think not . They use piracy as an excuse to keep their prices so high.

    Rant Over…….

  • Zz

    [quote comment="195831"]Music and movie Industries are always saying that the reason they have to charge such prices is because of the amount of money they lose in piracy……[/quote]

    Bulls—. Not to you, but the industry. When I was in high school eleven years ago, MP3 was basically still unheard of in the common world. It was just coming around, and few used it. CDs then cost $17. Then the whole Napster a few years later thing and like you point out the RIAA claimed that CDs cost so much because of illegal MP3 downloading. If at that time you went to a record store or major chain a CD was… drumroll… $17. Now go to a major chain and a CD will run you $15 in most cases.

    I call their argument bunk.

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  • Sarah

    To avoid problems with RIAA, royalty free music is your best solution. Here are two sites that have royalty free music that I have used.
    http://www.studio1productions.com and http://www.studio1downloads.com
    Sarah

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    HUGE records LTC introduces the worlds first 100% legal torrent site.

    Get back at the RIAA !!!

    http://www.huge.nl

  • Ceri

    Ah fun so those of us who have ISPs that provide NNTP access can have our ISP totalled by RIAA. Glorious.

    NNTP is not a P2P system, nor is it specifically for any purpose other than communication. It’s system of operation is more similar to DNS than anything else with files being uploaded to one server being transferred to others higher up on it’s provision, and slowly arrives at other servers. I still remember when one of the larger usages of NNTP was for porn sharing, however the huge amount of spam on most groups tends to make it a lousy way to get anything these days.

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  • GEEK

    I have to say that the comments on this thread make the future of the internet look very dim indeed. You ‘informed’ people ranting about saving p2p and saving the internet and agreeing that usenet charges for warez? If you think that ‘Usenet’ charges for warez or agree with anything that those RIAA/MPAA slime balls say then you’re a complete and utter tool.

    Honestly, to hell with p2p and torrents. They have drawn a crowd to the ‘scene’ that need not even own a computer. Go back to your consoles and your word processors. We don’t want you on our internet.

    - GEEK

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  • FakeNewser

    The Recording Industry Association of America wants to communicate with TV News audiences. The company I work for just distributed this video package nationwide to TV News Stations. It already aired in Dallas and one network and one major news gathering service have requested tapes. This thing could be all over the news this week. The video you see was preceded by graphics which told stations who paid for the content and named the spokesman.

    This is how the RIAA and other organizations get their news out and influence consumers… http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f09_1198188234

  • NoMoreRIAA

    It’s time to fight back against these greedy covetous pigs. I’d be almost sorry for them if the crap they ‘sell’ wasn’t so bland and bad, I can’t stand most of it.

    I have a request to the hackers and social engineers out there: Expose these people. Not the pig rich elite hiding in mansions. Their toadies and wage slaves. Publish names, addresses, photos, habits and clubs. The guy at the top is supported by those beneath him. Now, of course we won’t be violent or commit horrible ‘crimez’ against their toadies. Just tell them politely they are doing wrong, of course!

    But, I somehow think the elegant mansion and gated community slush fund will only support the top guys and their smithers… Not the 10,000+ employees just doing their jobs but living in the real world with us.

  • deloppoled

    you my friend are a simpleton that has no clue as to what you speak of

    if it wasn’t for those folks who fill usenet you silly little script kiddies playing with torrents would have NOTHING

  • deloppoled

    [quote comment="188314"]from my point of view it’s ok if they be bury it.

    They advertise to agressive all over the net& making big $ with pirated stuff etc…

    Keep it quiet and low.

    And make no big bucks of it.

    Like someone said the releases of scene crews were never supposed to go to p2p…yeah right! Who does believe such crap.

    If usenet is going to die the stuff will be available somewhere else..it has ever been that way.[/quote]

    you are stupid, i used to be heavily involved in the scene (i served coffee) and believe me we never wanted script kiddies getting ahold of our shit. never p2p’d never will

  • John

    I don’t know about you but cox gives 60 days retention on binary downloads.. it works great and its free with your internet payments.

  • Billy Bob

    usenet and usenet.com are not the same thing

  • Anonymous

    LOL. What a bunch of idiots.

    Usenext is usenet? Holy crap, people need to learn to read or think or something. Usenext is a crappy idea, that’s like saying AOL is the internet. Usenet’s something else, if you don’t know, go read a book or something and stop looking stupid.

    The internet’s dead, enjoy your restricted media broadcast network with metered bandwidth plans so only the wealthy can afford to publish anything.

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