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TV Shack Admin Richard O’Dwyer “Almost Certain” To Be Extradited To US

The recent decision not to extradite hacker Gary McKinnon to the United States was considered by some as a sign of hope for the predicament of former TVShack admin Richard O’Dwyer. But while there is still a High Court appeal around the corner, things still don’t look good. Speaking with TorrentFreak, Richard’s mother says her son’s extradition is now “almost certain” which is forcing her to plan for a worst case scenario in which he is sent across the Atlantic with little notice. Can you help?

In 2011, Richard O’Dwyer was arrested by police for operating TVShack, a website that listed user-submitted links to TV-shows hosted on other websites.

Earlier this year UK Home Secretary Theresa May officially approved an extradition request from US authorities and ever since Richard and his mother Julia have battled against it. Their campaign has received high-profile support from Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, who characterized the case as a clash between civil liberties and the interests of the copyright industries.

Right now Richard is awaiting his appeal to the High Court against the decision of a judge in a lower court to allow his extradition to go ahead. That appeal is scheduled for December 4 at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

Speaking with TorrentFreak, Julia O’Dwyer says the appeal will take place on a number of issues but mainly against the lower court judge’s decision.

“In order to proceed with an extradition the alleged conduct must be a crime punishable with more than 12 months in prison in both countries. Despite the Judge saying at the Oct/Nov hearings last year that we had a good strong legal argument supporting this (an opinion which was agreed by the prosecution Barrister), when considering his decision he strangely changed his mind and decided the other way,” Julia explains.

Since it was very similar in function, on many occasions Richard’s site TVShack has been compared to the now-defunct site TV-Links. The admins of TV-Links were also subjected to legal action but were cleared after a judge ruled that Section 17 of the European Commerce Directive 2000 afforded TV-Links a defense when it linked to other web sites. This ruling will form part of Richard’s appeal.

“We will be strengthening these arguments at appeal and as you might expect have sought expert IP opinion on the matter,” Julie adds.

Last week, UK Home Secretary Theresa May decided that alleged hacker Gary McKinnon would not be extradited to the US. She also announced that the government will make some changes to the existing extradition treaty, including the so-called Forum Amendment, which many viewed as good news for Richard’s case, but that’s not necessarily the case.

“This means that where an accused has committed all or a significant amount of the alleged conduct in the UK, then the courts will be able to decide whether they should be tried in the UK,” Julia explains.

“This is a major breakthrough and is what the campaigners for extradition reform have been fighting for for years. This would apply in Richard’s case but as the law has not yet been changed and I don’t know when it will, this is not likely to benefit Richard.”

While Julia notes that the UK government does technically have the power to apply the changes to Richard’s case, the McKinnon decision may mean that they choose not to.

“[The UK government] has just upset the US by keeping Gary Mckinnon here and they are already trying to sabotage any law changes planned by sending over a US Judge to give a lecture to the UK Parliament later this month,” she reveals.

Furthermore, while not a single US citizen has ever been extradited to the UK for a crime committed from the US, aside from the McKinnon decision Julia says that nearly all extraditions to the US of UK citizens (including those who have never set foot on US soil) have eventually gone ahead.

Faced with this bleak outlook, Julia informs TorrentFreak that she is “almost certain” that Richard will be extradited to the US. To this end she is now being forced to prepare for this worst-case scenario.

Fortunately, several people have already offered to finance or work for free on Richard’s case in the US but there are additional costs still to be met.

“There still remains the worry of financial costs in the US. There will be personal financial costs associated with travel to the US, accommodation and the cost of securing an address for Richard to live at in order to be allowed bail. These costs will have to be covered by me somehow,” Julia explains.

“What concerns me are the unknown additional costs which we could be faced with such as a large bail bond or an even more costly financial penalty running into hundreds of thousands of dollars if Richard were to be found guilty,” she adds.

To prepare for this eventuality, a supporter has set up a fighting fund for Richard on GoFundMe with an initial target of £25,000.

“This is a large amount to be raised and I know times are hard for many of us so with that in mind please donate only if you can afford to do so. Your online and public support has been invaluable and has helped get us through this dreadful situation,” Julia concludes.

The petition set up by Jimmy Wales attracted hundreds of thousands of signatures – the hope is that just a few percent of those people will donate one or two pounds, euros, or dollars each.

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  • Guest

    LMFAO. The US are sending juges to lecture UK judges….like the spineless little cowed creatures they are. Yeah, Go USA. Show the world how you discipline the Law of other nations, and in so doing reveal how you control freedom by delivering US corruption and coercion.

    • Guest

      Yeah, the US judge are going to inform the UK parliament that they are all facing legal action for not abiding by the extradition treaty which is an act of US law. I am so scared i just shat meself lol.

      • http://twitter.com/DonnaComstock1 Donna Comstock

        @Colin Carr, Christina replied I'm alarmed that anybody able to get paid $6875 in one month on the computer. did you see this web page…Cgx.me/lFg7Q

      • Guest

        Yeah, the US judge are going to inform the UK parliament that they are all facing legal action for not abiding by the extradition treaty

        In other news: Cameron announces that the US special relationship is officially over!

        • Mael Radec

          Unfortunately British politicians don’t have the spine for something like that.

    • http://twitter.com/RoseOlivier3 RoseOlivier

      like Amber replied I am amazed that a stay at home mom able to make $8067 in a few weeks on the network. did you see this(Click on menu Home)

    • http://twitter.com/RoseOlivier3 RoseOlivier

      …..goo.gl/zeWQu

    • xyz

      what about gauntanomo

      • Guest123456

        at least spell it right you dimwit

    • JordanKratz

      Meanwhile many of us Americans hate our Government and would love to see its Demise.Corrupt bunch of A-Holes are what these greasy palmed Politicians are.
      Hope I live long enough to see them all fall.

      • Random American

        Speaking for the opposing perspective, I like the system, but don’t enjoy the focus or present products of it. I do not hate my government, but support it, as it’s at least a transparent bunch who can be driven from public office once they become corrupt.

        All of them? Are there no good apples left in the barrel?

    • Random American

      Look, friend, I’m an American and I don’t like it any more than you do. Characterizing an entire nation by the saber rattling of a few corporations that stifle freedom only disheartens those who are closer to the action then you are. You try to influence your courts and I’ll try to influence mine, but don’t drag a freedom loving peoples’ name through the mud because you don’t like the agitative actions of a few.

  • Guest

    “The admins of TV-Links were also subjected to legal action but were cleared after a judge ruled that Section 17 of the European Commerce Directive 2000 afforded TV-Links a defense when it linked to other web sites. This ruling will form part of Richard’s appeal.”

    You can sure bet that the US will state that the extradition treaty takes precedent over European law and that there US law has to be adhered to period.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      They will try but the bottom line is that European law has just as much ‘force’ as an extradition treaty. Really, there is no reason why this man should be being extradited for what was and is a CIVIL case or should have been.

      I mean, the guy made no money off TV Shack from what I read. Were those articles in error?

      • Guest

        When Richard was initially charged I believe that the CPS dropped the case either due to no evidence or lack of evidence (i don’t know which) that would have resulted in a not guilty verdict as there was no crime committed under UK law according to the Judge so it was worthless of the CPS to take the case to court but somehow after the case was dropped extradition proceedings started by the US because they stated his site broke US law and he was profiteering from copyright infringement and so a judge stated that he could face trial in the US. The US argue that Richard was profiteering from copyright infringement on the basis i think that advertising was being sold on the website and the money went to pay for the server etc. Although it is not a crime to sell advertising on a website but the US have it in there head that this money is profit from copyright infringement and therefore should be punishable. I may not have gave all the facts in the right manner but no way should someone be extradited to the US if they haven’t set foot on the US to face punishment for a crime there if the same action here in the UK is not a crime in the UK. If a crime has been committed then a trial should be here in the UK (but no crime has been committed according to the UK law by the UK Judge). I believe that this is yet again another over reach of jurisdiction by the US.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          As I have said before: Solely for server fees advertisement is okay in my book as long as the money is ONLY used for server costs.

          Seems like the United States needs a wakeup call on this issue and to be told “No, U.S. laws do NOT apply over international borders absent an agreement between two countries that they do and then, by international law, only in criminal cases!”

        • Guest

          YEH!!, spend your free time giving us stuff for free, BUT DONT YOU DARE THINK YOUR TIME IS WORTH A SINGLE PENNY.

          Ungrateful gits you all are.

        • Guest

          File-Sharers More Likely to pay for Movies, Books, Games, and Concerts

          Don’t say the best customers are “ungrateful gits”, you thick gobshite.

        • PenzancePeer

          Interestingly, with the EU Extradition arrangements, the Polly’s here in the UK became very Dilated about the possibility of extradition of UK Citizens to other European jurisdictions for offences that were not illegal in the UK.

          Their glass eye for the US doing likewise is merely a demonstration of the High and ongoing price demanded of Britain in return for being saved from Hitler :)

          Nobody seems to notice that with the passing of decades, things slowly change to the point that we must be very close to where a deal with Germans would have been a Better long term bet, Ouch ! :O

        • Melanie

          @ PenzancePeer

          America did NOT enter WW2 to save Britain’s ass, it entered to save it’s own ass! America had to prevent Hitler gaining control of Russia and the Middle East (ever heard of the railroad the Nazis were building to transport oil out of the middle east directly back to Germany?). If Hitler had managed to gain control of the resources there, Germany would of become the world’s super power. America did nothing altruistic by entering the war, and the people of Europe need to start seeing the truth and stop bending over to a country as power hungry and greedy as the Third Reich ever was.

        • PelouzeTF

          How is infringing copyright even vaguely ok just because any proceeds realized through advertisement, membership fees etc are used only to cover the costs of something that wouldn’t exist without copyright infringement in the first place ?

          Thats like saying that stealing from you is ok only if the proceeds of what I thieve go towards paying the loan and bills of the truck that I turned up with to clear your house out.

        • Fredrika

          > “How is infringing copyright even vaguely ok just because any proceeds realized through advertisement, membership fees etc are used only to cover the costs of something that wouldn’t exist without copyright infringement in the first place ?”

          Since Guest didn’t argue that copyright infringement was ok, due to the circumstances you mentioned, or any other, your entire sentence is one long straw-man. Do you understand that? Or are you to ignorant to understand when you use dishonest rhetoric’s and logical fallacies?

          Now you do have a long history of using dishonest straw-man arguments and logical fallacies, but shouldn’t you have learned by now? Or is that an impossibility?

          However, if one wanted to, one could easily argue that the particular crime of copyright infringement is completely ok to commit, because the copyright monopoly is made up of illegitimate legislation that doesn’t follow the rules for how legitimate legislation should be drafted, a trait it shares with the illegitimate legislation in dictatorships, and a type of law you often defend.

          > “Thats like saying that stealing from you is ok only if the proceeds of what I thieve go towards paying the loan and bills of the truck that I turned up with to clear your house out.”

          If we for a second disregard your irrelevant and dishonest straw-man, and follow your second paragraph, no, that’s not like saying that, because there exists no logical connection or correlation that leads to that conclusion.

          Even if one would argue that one particular crime, copyright infringement(which possibly causes a certain harm to society or individuals, as in the free market effect of competition), is ok to commit because of certain circumstances, that does not automatically cause a logical connection that means that a completely different crime(which shares absolutely no similarities whatsoever to the first one, and causes a completely different and very well proven harm to society and individuals), is ok to commit because of completely different circumstances.

          Secondly, in your pathetic example the two different crimes are committed by one and the same person. In the case with Richard O’Dwyer however, Richard committed no crime at all. He operated a fully legal website that offered fully legal and non-infringing links, so his revenues came entirely from a legal operation.

          That any actual copyright infringement took place is not proven, and according to assumption of innocence you and the judicial system should assume it didn’t(although you have proven many times that you don’t care to much about human rights and civil liberties).

          And even if it did, that copyright infringement was carried out by an entirely different party, completely out of O’Dwyer’s control or sight,. and he did not receive any revenues from it any more than what Sony receives revenues from copyright infringements which are carried out with blank media, CD-burners and double cassette decks that they sold. The courts have already ruled on that decades ago. This was explained to you over six months ago

          Btw, you seem to have a hard time keeping your different Disqus profiles apart, maybe you should merge them all into one?

          http://disqus.com/PelouzeTF/
          http://disqus.com/guest/7c9160c859723dd172fe5666568443d9/
          http://disqus.com/guest/e9c2e0a878dc3614ffebc49c76bfdd1a/

        • OccamsKatana

          @PelouzeTF

          So, you’re saying a band playing music at a wedding without paying royalty fees is the same as breaking into someones house and taking all their furniture?

          Downloading a shitty song is the same as robbing a bank?

          Not to mention he didn’t host any infringing material…. So I guess linking to material is like breaking into Fort Knox?

          I just want to know your thought process. It’s sure is confusing in there.

        • Guest

          File-Sharers More Likely to pay for Movies, Books, Games, and Concerts

          Don’t say the best customers are “ungrateful gits”, you thick gobshite.

          Why would I care about that?

          My view comes from a web developer’s point who spends his own personal time developing services for YOU to use FREE…. you dumb shit.

        • Junis

          In your comment you say that “no way should someone be extradited to the US if they haven’t set foot on the US to face punishment for a crime there”. Do you stick with those views when the person in question is a non-white Muslim living in the UK? I bet in your heart you don’t.

        • Random American

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore#Prosecutions

          My nation has some problems with Voltaire’s notion of defending free speech. We seem to be often divided into a camp of people who enjoy civil and decent social interaction and a camp who defend the rights of all people. Then, there are a small minority of us who accept that the right to post links violating copyrights is not a crime, but we don’t want to do business with those people lest they steal our ideas. It’s no different from defending the right of a man to make pornography in which young women pretend to be under the age of consent, but are so disgusted by it that we would not watch it or associate with any of the participants. It is legal, but merely disgusting- like performing political acts for money.

      • Junis

        The guy is ‘white’ I think there is a 66% he will not be extradited. It is to be noticed that the treacherous extraditions of 5 Muslim men to America a few weeks ago received a lot of public support. On the other hand, there was immense support for Gary McKinnon. While America may be fascist, the UK is definitely not a blameless party in this.

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  • http://techfleece.com/ Richard Gailey

    Donated.

    I really hope that they don’t extradite him just to appease the US after the McKinnon outcome. Also, hoping that this article will bolster the amount that has currently been donated so far.

    • Guest

      I am sure this visiting US Judge will have a few choice words to say in stating that the refusal not to extradite McKinnon was a bad thing and goes against the very heart and nature of the extradition treaty and that this stabs the heart of the US judicary system.

      • Colin Carr

        An MP should publicly ask the visiting judge why the US congress refused to ratify the 2003 UK/US extrdition treaty.
        It was because the congress felt that accepting the extradition requesting nation’s ‘good faith suspicion’ (without supporting prima facie evidence) that a crime had been committed was open to abuse. How right they were!

        • Guest

          Yeah the US abused the UK in the same way that they feared and didn’t want to receive the same treatment from the UK.

        • GrumpyGit78

          It shouldn’t stop there, this judge thinks he’s coming to educate parliament?……He should be grilled and sent home with his red, white and blue tail, wedged firmly up his own arse.

          Who the hell signed off on allowing a foreign judge to come and educate parliament???……. UK judges not knowledgeable enough?

          So when are the Iranian and DPRK judges booked to impart their wisdom on human rights?

        • Melanie

          @ GrumpyGit78

          “It shouldn’t stop there, this judge thinks he’s coming to educate parliament?……He should be grilled and sent home with his red, white and blue tail, wedged firmly up his own arse.”

          Perhaps a welcoming commitee should be set up to express our gratitude and reverence for his visit…

      • Anonymouse

        I am sure this visiting US Judge should be shot.

    • Angela Rgn

      This article most certainly has bolstered Richard’s ‘FightingFund’ for which we thank you Each and Every One from the bottom of our hearts.

    • lattari

      Why do you think they wrote this article. There’s really no new developments since the last article, no new information, it’s just a long plea for money from readers.

  • Fantastic

    Thug Judges and a Thug Justice Department being used to escalate civil matters on behalf of Big Media.pig disgusting.

  • Vesa A.

    Dotated! err, Donated, few pint of Beer or more.

    I hate pay attorneys but my 10 bucks donation is all most free for me, donate make US felony state to suffer!!!

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  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I want to know how much compensation Richard will receive when it’s finally decided -
    that he did nothing wrong;
    that he committed no crime either here in the UK or in the USA; and,
    that he cannot be extradited.

    The action against by the USA is unfair, illegal, unsound and tantamount to unwarranted bullying, harassment and an abuse of process.

    Richard & Julia O’Dwyer MUST prepare for suing the ass off the USA.

    • JULIA ODWYER

      Thanks Rob Not seen you for a while I love the comments here! Tremendous support on donation site too. Hope you’re OK?

  • Hogspace

    £5 donated. Come on everyone, cough up!!
    If he is to be tried anywhere then it should be UK from where he acted. His site only linked to streams and downloads, like Google and Yahoo

  • SorlSee

    Anyone else getting sick and tired of the almighty US playing “World Police”?

    http://www.do-anon.tk

  • Otis

    I think they should leave the kid alone, besides if he comes to the US, boeing will hire him…..

  • Bo

    donated

  • DocGerbil100

    It’s a very worthy cause. This extradition is very plainly nothing more than an act of intimidation, abusing the letter of the law on both sides of the pond to deter British citizens from doing anything that American Big Content decides it doesn’t like – even when it’s essentially legal in the UK, as seems to be the case here. The fund shall have some of my hard-earned money as soon as I can find my wallet.

  • http://twitter.com/YabbaDabbaTru YabbaDabbaTru

    UK needs to heed the words of Nancy Reagan …”Just Say No ! ”

    Oh and when the Judge gets there arrest his ass for attempted bribery. You know that’s what he is going there for…

  • Clap Trap

    OMG LMAO WTF LOL!!

  • Colin Carr

    I do have a problem with donating to this cause, not because I think for a moment that Richard is guilty, but rather because I fear my donation would end up supporting the corrupted to all hell US government and legal system.
    I think it would be like feeding the trolls, but with FAR worse consequences.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dearnapst Birgitte Roel Jørgensen

      If you never dare, you never gain any self worth, and just bend like a straw in the wind. like the UK are doing now

  • TheresaMaysCuntFlapLogic

    “Waterboarding isn’t torture”

    • Guest

      Would you still agree to what you said after you have had the experience and being on the receiving end of “waterboarding” for 6 hours straight without a break,

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        I believe he was refering to the statement made by Dick Cheney when that worthy defended the use of waterboarding as an “interrogation tool”…

      • ScrewEwe2

        Surfboarding is much more humane than waterboarding IMO. You still get wet though.

      • Rekrul

        See the quotation marks around the sentence? That means he’s quoting someone else. Combined with the name he chose, I think it’s safe to say that the poster was criticizing Theresa May.

  • Stfu

    Remember when Stephen Timms got stabbed in the street?
    Stabbed to death, right job for the cunt.
    He voted for the Iraq war, and was held accountable by a brave young girl on the street.
    Now I haven’t got 250,000 pounds to be giving to cannibals in suits, regardless of proximity and all its benefits, to have a nice dinner with the PM.
    Mr Timms never feared being arrested. He never feared retribution.
    But in the end, he was held accountable.
    I hope someday, Mrs May and her filthy wrinkled ilk, are held accountable.

    • Anyone

      he survived the stabbing

      • Guest

        Don’t let facts get in the way of an ill informed rant.

  • anon

    Do like Assange, and go protect yourself in the Ecuador embassy.
    Or, do like in WW2 and try to go to Swiss. Pass like a clandestine to France, and then go to Swiss lol…

  • http://drwho.virtadpt.net/ The Doctor

    Gary McKinnon only got in the way of the US government. Richard O’Dwyer got in the way of very rich people. Their priorities seem clear from their actions.

  • Anonymous

    if this does indeed happen, it will be before the US elections, simply because the entertainment industries that are backing Obama are scared he will lose. whether Romney would go ahead with the extradition if he wins remains to be seen. i still dont understand how someone can be sent to another country for trial over something than was done elsewhere when it wasn’t illegal there. it now seems that this sort of double standard can be used whenever it suits. how is anyone supposed to know if what they are doing is legal or not, when US law can be applied where they want it, but not in reverse?

  • foff

    This is fucking stupid. I download every tv show that I want to watch usually within minutes of airing. Why the hell should the US persecute this guy. I say persecute because that is what it is not prosecute. If anything the government ought to put more pressure on hollywood to stream on the internet. Hell they ought to be forced to after all the internet is the new over the air medium.

    I don’t have the money to help this guy but he should never be extradited. Extradition was never meant for piddly little things like this. This was purely for political reasons. This was for the O admin to show its support of hollywood but now O is sure to lose it will not matter.

  • ExtarditionWorksBothWays

    Mean while Afgan and Iraqi Goverment are still wait for those US Soldiers that killed inocent civilians to be extradited

    US mantra is “do as we say, don’t do as we do”, and them they go and make believe their are saints compare to China or Russia or Iran or even North Korea

    Extraditon treaties work both aways or no way

    • TDXI

      There are NO INNOCENT civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan.

      • Guest

        The defenseless children deserved to die did they they in your eyes?

        • TDXI

          YES THEY DID. Just to make my answer clear. YES THEY DID.

        • PREDATOR

          @TDXI:

          YOU DESERVE TO DIE. Just to make my answer clear. YOU DESERVE TO DIE

      • Guest

        *TDXI wonders why people hate Americans*

  • Hitmaneidos

    At this rate America will have UAVs shooting down British nationals.

  • Guest

    Another knob hiding behind his mum. What is it with these w@nker mummies boys.

    • Guest

      More like an innocent person being extradited by the knob of the US government because what Richard did was certainly no crime in the UK law according to the UK Judge but because the Hollywood industry said what he did was as crime against them in the US they got there lovey dovey pals in the US government to seek his extradition and in the 2003 extradition treaty the US only have to ask for evidence and without having to provide any evidence of any crime committed whereas the UK has to give and provide evidence of crime committed to the US if the UK wants someone to be extradited from the US to the UK. To this day not one person has been extracted from the US to the UK for any crime that was committed on US soil.

      • Guest

        Oops I made a typo – That should have said in the 2003 extradition treaty the US only have to ask for extradition and without having to provide any evidence of any crime committed.

    • Heh

      What kind of a lifeless cunt are you? She is his mother, obviously she will try to help him. What would you do big boy? Turn down all help of lawyers, give your money and fight alone against corrupted US gov? Bitch please, get life.

    • Guest

      If the US extradited Guest to some middle eastarn shithole because it was illegal to not be a radical muslim there, I believe he’d change his tune right fucking quick and gain some newfound empathy for Richard O’Dwyer.

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  • Duhasst

    I live in the US and news like this pisses me off all the time. Anyone knows where it rains 90 percent of the time so I can move there?

  • Asashii

    he had a public website that linked to copyright material, what the hell do you expect!

    • Guest

      At the time he was arrested his website which linked to copyright material as you put it was not even a crime in the UK and so the case was dropped and without charge but the US sought his extradition for him to face trial there in the US and the UK Judge said that he could/should face trial in the US. If Richard has committed a crime here in the UK then he should face trial here for his crime but if it is not a crime here in the UK then he should not be extradited to some other country to face a trial for something that he did not even do in that country.

    • MadAsASnake

      What is wrong with that? CPS refused to prosecute as they were of the opinion that it was unlikely any law was broken and such a prosecution had little chance of success.

    • Rekrul

      Playboy has a website that hosts ‘indecent’ photos and videos. Should all the employees and models of Playboy be shipped to the middle east to stand trial for violating Sharia law?

    • http://www.facebook.com/dearnapst Birgitte Roel Jørgensen

      I think you might read up on the subject again or for the first time as you apparently, don’t have a clue, what your talking about

    • BJonesTF

      That’s the case with EVERY website. Since all work is automatically copyrighted at the moment of fixation into a tangible medium.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      By that definition every online version of a newspaper is similarly guilty. The only difference is the amount of it.

  • Agent47

    When are people just going to start offing these fucktard law makers

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Some years back, in Brooklyn, New York, a young Jew, murdered a young black man in the course of a racially motivated street demonstration resulting from anti-semitic insults suffered by the Jewish community some days before.

    The boys father lost no time in solving his son’s problem by shipping him immediately to Tel Aviv.

    The American government, prodded by an outraged African American community demanding to know whether they were once again living in an America where Black People could be slaughtered with impunity, turned its full attention to the Israeli government, demanding extradition for what was, after all, a clear act of felony murder in both jurisdictions.

    The Israeli Governments position? We do not extradite Jews ever, anywhere, for any reason.

    Needless to say, the American Government twisted itself into an Imperial knot trying to compel the Israelis to comply.

    But, no dice! The young killer was tried and punished under the sovereign laws of Israel (a jurisdiction where the moral weight of an Israeli Jewish resident killing a Palestinian is slightly more severe than jaywalking; and, where the admittedly greater infraction of killing an American Black Man is the equivalent of jaywalking while smoking an obscenely huge blunt.) The young man served a brief sentence under conditions less stressful than an average college chemistry course.

    The Israeli government restated its position ad naseum; and, pointed out to the United States that the Israeli position was nothing other than a clear restatement of the Historical American refusal to extradite its own citizens to any foreign jurisdiction, ever; even for know cases of war crimes, torture, and mass murder.

    I tell this story in order to better express two fundamental questions:

    First: What is it about Israel that allowed it to resist American compunctions for extradition of a resident (not an Israeli; an American citizen, no less) as a transgressions against its sovereignty?

    Second: What is it about David Cameron’s Great Britain that compels it to impose on its citizens extradition under terms that the United States will under no circumstances impose on itself?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      ^ This, right here, is the essence of it.

      Some countries are allowed to refuse extradition even when the cause is premeditated murder, and deemed as such in both jurisdictions. Others must comply with extradition when the “offense” isn’t even one in the nation on whose soil the deed was done.

      And the “offense” in this case a civil matter less important than smoking a cigarette in a public restroom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dearnapst Birgitte Roel Jørgensen

    I’m truly disgusted, just by the thought off, they might end up extradite Richard O’Dwyer. He is not a child molester or a murder, not screwed people out of millions, not a drug lord, but a student in the UK, who offered a free service, he never benefited from or in anyway had copyright infringed materiel, people could get trough him or his server. same as Newzbin. Did my parents and many of your grandparents really fight world war II, just to end up saying YES, every time the US want it. NO dammit. A tyrant was born after WW II. it’s name is the United States of America. World largest contradiction, inside it’s own borders, Stay there and leave us alone. And to top it, they just need to add HACKER, on to his name right, dangerous my butt

  • Jimmy

    If I were Richard – right now I would go into hiding for the next few years – def do not appear in court for this disgusting show case extradition. If were the government I would step in and stop this nonsense pretty quickly before the mass civil disobedience rocks up and kicks you in the ass.

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Even the UK agrees that it’s too small to be a real country. Imperialism always works best when the other country just bends over and enjoys it.

  • Jack
  • joexxx

    A blatant violation of US constitution.
    US law does not go beyond US land.
    Unless he committed crimes while on US land, US has nothing on him.

  • Internetsalesguru

    The only thing that could stick here in the U.S. is conspiracy to commit copyright infringement. By legal definition he DID NOT COMMIT COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT at all in any way shape or form not even by the loosest letter of the law.

  • Horsemeat

    they really need to sort out UK law to make it impossible to extradite someone for something deemed legal in the UK with consideration of a similar offense done the other way around.

    I mean the US could invent any law they want and extradite anyone from the UK as it stands now it totally stupid. In the US the FBI are notorious for making people disappear and convicted in special closed courts. Land of the free… unless you upset someone rich and powerful…

    • TDXI

      “something deemed legal in the UK” Can you show me where it has actually been deemed legal in the UK? Or anywhere else for that matter.

      • Bastardo

        No and neither can you ! And thats because……… well I’ll let you work it out !

      • Guest

        Richard was charged but then the charges were dropped by the CPS because there was no evidence for them to find him guilty of committing a crime in UK law. After the charge was dropped the US then sought his extradition to face a trial for a crime there. If according to UK law he did not commit a crime for where the allege crime took place then he should not be extradited to the US for a crime which he did not do on US soil.

      • Nick A Shaw

        Everything’s legal unless there’s a law which explicitly prohibits it. Can you find a specific law which makes linking to copyrighted material illegal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002164260117 Beecher Adams

    Why doesn’t the UK just tell the US to go screw themselves? Sure they’ll be frowned upon by the US, and possibly the UN, but at the same time, they’re doing the right thing
    Sometimes, you must do things that upset others
    In fact, all countries should just ignore the US when it comes to copyright, they simply are acting like sock puppets for cooperation’s

  • RIAAtarded

    The UK government needs to grow a backbone and tell the yanks to get bent. Extraditing someone for a website is a gross miscarriage of what the treaty was meant for and should never be allowed. Might piss them off but they aren’t going to throw away a relationship with a foreign government and one of the few that tends to back all their crap on a global stage to throw one pirate in jail.

  • Ericjoneschicago

    u.s.gay u.s.gay u.s.gay !!

  • Guest

    Crime against humanity.

  • Nofun

    Well when Obama loses the next election he should ask Joe Bidden why.

    The level of evilness of this entertainment industry have no limit.

    I mean what a pack of criminals!

    It might well be that the only way to stop these gangsters is to kill them all like the terrorists they are.

    • http://twitter.com/bdawgstreetlord Brandon Hope

      I hate Obama but Romney will be worse, romney is sucking corporate dicks all around. At least with Obama it wont worsen

  • Todietoday

    This really is bullshit, and I’m a U.S. citizen. “Conspiracy to commit copyright infringement” is a far reach, even for the U.S.. How do they go about proving something that doesn’t exist in the first place, just because some corp media company has their panties in a bunch bc they throw around numbers based off assumptions. I hope not only for Richard, but the U.K. that he isn’t extradited for this shit. Grow a pair already U.K. and don’t allow your citizens to be used as pawns for Corporate media greed.

  • Rmkdata

    Since when is linking illegal? What a bunch of horse sht.

    If it is links, shouldn’t someone be suing the American Government for shutting down the site. Even if some links are not authorized, its not illegal and its certainly not pirating. wtf. Has the world gone insane. Someone please help fund his lawsuit to get his site back.. not to mention the lost revenue he has suffered. This isn’t right.

  • Guest

    rediculous

  • Toro

    When justice fail only the force can bring peace

  • bianjnjn
  • http://twitter.com/Vansterwiki Vänster Wiki

    Will UK also extradite persons to Iran? Blasfemy is a crime where Iran will behead the person and in UK, there are laws against defamation wich can render 12 months in prison. People have already been sentenced to prison for that.

  • Hiya_tiger

    Does tvshack.bz still work?

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  • Smile

    There may be a simple impediment to this I am not aware of, but Richard, as a citizen of an EU member state, is entitled to live in any other EU member state. Now given his surname, why doesn’t he just move to Ireland, which does not have an extradition treaty with the US?
    .
    Since he has not broken any UK laws, I can not see that the UK could seek his extradition from Ireland.
    .
    It would be an order of magnitude cheaper to fund Richards living expenses there than the cost of defending any legal action in the US.

    • Smile

      Of course Ireland does have an extradition treaty with the US, I meant not one of the kind the US has with Britain.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/cramseyer Chris Ramseyer

    This whole extradition to the US by people who have never even been here is BS. I would like to see Libya send an order for Obama and half of the middle east send one for Bush.

    If you’ve never been to the US, you can’t break a US law. The world shouldn’t have to live in fear of breaking US laws if they are not US citizens.

    I’m sure everyday I break some countries law. No one from Syria is coming for me. Why would the US think they can police the world?

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