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Twelve Hollywood Movie Cammers Caught, Police Prosecute None

This week Hollywood-funded anti-piracy group FACT revealed that the Film Distributors Association had handed out cash rewards to more than a dozen cinema workers who managed to sniff out so-called movie ‘cammers’ in UK cinemas. But despite every case being reported to the police – some involving Skyfall and The Hobbit – authorities could do little in response. Not a single cammer was charged or prosecuted.

cammer1Despite significant success in recent years clamping down on camcorder piracy, Hollywood still feels that the phenomenon poses a serious risk to their business. The somewhat grainy footage – often accompanied by awful sound – tends to leak online, attracting tens of thousands of downloaders looking to get an early glimpse at a much anticipated movie.

In a U.S. theater you need appendages of steel (or perhaps psychiatric help) to risk recording the video or sound of a Hollywood movie. Those caught, such as the individuals behind the IMAGiNE group, are treated extremely harshly indeed and years in prison can be the outcome.

While after-the-fact punishments are somewhat of a deterrent, the studios prefer to tackle the problem before it begins. To this end they encourage theater workers to remove any possible recording devices from movie-goers. Cell phones are sometimes temporarily confiscated and the use of night vision goggles to track down suspects during the show is becoming more common, particularly at premieres.

This week Hollywood revealed the latest results of an incentive scheme in the UK whereby cinema workers are rewarded for catching movie cammers and reporting them to the police.

“The rewards scheme is part of a wide-ranging theatrical protection programme, funded by UK film distributors via Film Distributors’ Association (FDA) since 2006,” FACT announced.

“It also provides vital extra resources for the Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT) to support cinema exhibitors’ staff training; an on-going supply of night vision devices to help cinema staff deter recording attempts in situ; and an education campaign including school resources on copyright.”

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According to FACT, the campaign has been 100% successful.

“The impact of this programme may be measured by the fact that no pirated recordings were sourced to a UK cinema release in 2012,” the anti-piracy group reveals.

While that is indeed a great result, there are some interesting details that shine more light on the overall picture.

FACT says that during the fall/winter season, 13 cinema workers intercepted unauthorized cammings of the movies Skyfall, Ted, The Dark Knight Rises and The Hobbit. Of the total 12 incidents, six related to recordings of the movie Skyfall.

Cinema workers are encouraged to report every instance of camming to the police but to say that proved fruitful would be taking things a little too far.

Out of the dozen incidents just two led to suspects being arrested. FACT reports that the pair were later cautioned (slapped on the wrists by police and told to behave in future) and that three exclusion orders and one prohibited access order were issued.

So in stark contrast to punishments in the United States, of twelve UK camming cases just four individuals were banned from cinemas and zero people were prosecuted. So why the weak response?

The problem is legislation. The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 can not be used against a cammer unless there is proof that the recording was part of a commercial operation or that there was intent to later upload it. If someone is caught recording a film and claims to be doing so in order to watch it at home, nothing can be done.

The difficulties are further highlighted in an industry document obtained by TorrentFreak which details 50 camming incidents in UK cinemas during 2008. Police attended calls from staff on just two occasions, one of which resulted in a couple being cautioned. In the majority of cases people observed camming were approached by staff but simply left the building. Any attempt to hold a suspect could lead to accusations of unlawful detention.

So for now cinema workers are being incentivized to become voluntary members of Hollywood’s unofficial police force, monitoring for suspicious activity and interrupting the problem at its source.

In 2012 they were 100% successful which if studio figures are correct must have saved the UK cinema industry around £100m. For this great achievement 13 cinema workers were paid rewards of up to £700 each.

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  • http://twitter.com/wartzilla wartzilla

    All this risk, for footage no one actually wants to watch.

    Who on earth really downloads cammed videos of theatre movies? Why spoil yourself with unwatchable footage that has shitty audio?

    • You Mad Bro?!?!?!?!?!

      Millions of people download camms in most country’s. :D

    • Bla

      A lot of people like these ‘previews’ so they will know if its worth wasting an evening and $ to go watch it when it gets to their local theater.

      If the theaters offered refunds for showing you bad movies, then these would not be needed at all.

      • FlaG

        They would be previews,
        if those videos weren’t the full movie.

        Just as the people who downloads things,
        those who watch camrips have different motivations
        to get those videos, not all of them will go to watch
        that movie after that, some of them will surely be
        downloading a BDrip, DVDrip, etc.
        Others will feel served.

        • Anyone

          a cam is not a replacement for going to the cinema

          it is simply a honest preview
          trailers can be cut in a way to make even the shittiest movie look great, they are very misleading

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “They would be previews,if those videos weren’t the full movie.”

          “full” as in “reveals it was so godawful no money on earth could make you visit that theater”?

          Because if there’s a good movie and you watch it on jerky cam footage with desynchronized sound, bad pixellation, and somebody’s greasy dreads filling the leftmost corner, then you will want to see it in better quality.

          However, even a cam will tell you if it’s crap.

          The problem merely being that Hollywood, like all habitual scam artists, are very much against anyone making a quality judgment of their products.

      • Cockarse

        I’ll quite often download a cam of a good film I’ve just seen at the cinema.

        Weirdly, these are the films I later end up buying on DVD.

        Who’d a thunk?

    • That’s Sad

      There is a lot of restless people who can’t wait
      for at less a decent rip.

    • Guest321

      Isn’t this the greatest proof that sharing is an inherent human nature and no amount of legislation can ever curb it? People are willing to risk even jail time just to feel the joy of sharing culture with fellow human beings all over the world who are mostly strangers. This is what file sharing is all about.

  • torlol

    First article written by Andy (that i have seen).

    Nice text and reporting style :D

    • Gheorghe Sarcov

      Here you have 2 more articles written by Andy:

      on 2th of March 2013:

      “Video: Pirate Bay Founder Thanks Supporters From Inside Prison”

      and 1st of March 2013:

      “U.S. Government Wins Appeal in Kim Dotcom Extradition Battle”

  • Frrrt

    Studio Execs shitting their pants at the thought of google glass.

    • Anyone

      especially when later models get smaller and smaller, until they look like regular glasses

      • bobmail

        It will just lead to the theaters putting in some sort of system that makes the film watchable by the audience, but screws up the recording, say like a pulse at the right frequency to make the auto-brightness go wild, or something like that.

        Honestly, you wouldn’t want to watch a copy of a movie filmed from someone’s glasses anyway, their head would be moving back and forth and pretty much making you ill.

        • Anyone

          I don’t download cams now, so I personally wouldn’t, you’re right

          but other people might want to

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          bobmail, anything like that is easy to get around with enough technical know-how. It’s time for them to admit that they have last the battle and the war.

        • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

          they have been trying to do that for over 8 years and not one single “beta” unit has been produced

        • cofree

          To tell you the truth that would be great news for some.

          A device that could interfere with the video capture of a img.

          There are hundreds or even thousands (maybe more) of people that would be able to use that technology for traffic cams

        • downunder

          a friend found out if put big magnets such as speakers on the lines under ground you could trigger the cams to go off and it would fill up their cams with blank photos.. he was going to get his mate to dress in a superman suit and roll by on a sooter and trigger the snaps.. i bet the police would be amused to start with, also for night time if you put IR leds all around the number plate it will white out the plate… you can see this effect with home security cameras.. light up face with portable ir torch and you never see the face.. so really if know the tech can always be defeated sadly why its better to have normaly outside lights trigger and light up the people in normal light over IR

        • Guest

          “say like a pulse at the right frequency to make the auto-brightness go wild, or something like that.”

          Not only is something like that impossible without also being visible to the naked eye, it could be corrected later by a video filter.

          Proof #7563 you’re a MAFIAA employee: you’re clueless as fuck about technology.

        • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

          The really funny part is how blatantly obviously that idea is an unimaginative attempt to extend Macrovision to camcording.

        • Amar Shah

          Actually, VHS cassettes used to do that.

        • IDIOCRACY

          An were easily nullified by effective technical countermeasures like most technology can be.

        • IDIOCRACY

          whoehaha and you did it again bobby, I wet my pants…. you must really believe this shit you post here. Do you ever read back old posts and the comments on them?? whoehaha, you have to tell me… how can someone be this ignorant and dumb as you and not even realize it himself. But granted… you sir have great imagination… you should write comic short stories… than we can pirate them for fun… hehe

        • bobmail

          Yes,I do, and almost every time I find an idiot like you with nothing to add, just a big pile of stinky trolling crap and not much else.

          I learned not to pay attention to idiots like you.

        • IDIOCRACY

          That sound like my line… did you just pirate my style here bobby… we call that the pot calling the kettle black… but you are probably unaware of that phrase hence you lack any education… you just made me wet my pants again … now you own me already a closet full of dry undies hehe.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “… just a big pile of stinky trolling crap and not much else.”

          Actually, the reason he points and laughs is because your “theories” assume, once again, that magic will come to overrule technology.

          Which at least three commentators so far have pointed out.

          “I learned not to pay attention to idiots like you.”

          You spout bullshit, he laughs, and according to you, he’s the idiot? Haven’t heard that argument much from people over the age of 8.

        • Whatever

          A bit of reality and a bit of guessing.

          (already done by downunder but different)

          Ever tried pointing your remote at your camera and pressing a button while looking through the camera ?

          I don’t know if all cameras but very likely most will see infrared light from a remote as a bright white spot (nice way to test remotes).

          Theoretically, if you would bathe the cinema in IR light a recording would look completely white. However this can easily be defeated with an IR filter in front of the lens. They also might need extra power to cool down the room to keep people from burning depending on how much power is needed and night vision equipment becomes useless.

          Actually IR will work against the cinema because it can blind their hi-tech night vision spies while recording. It can be enhanced by spreading out IR sources (people with IR led jackets).

        • Andrew Lee

          LOL Yes because we’re all dying to see a shitty cam copy of a movie. Na I have a far better idea that I’ve been practicing myself since the illegal seizure of millions upon millions of legitimate files hosted on MU..

          That would be not watching their shitty movies or listening to their shitty music and yes that includes downloading and streaming as well.

          I refuse to support them in anyway at all and I’ve took a handful of people to the dark side with me.

          They shit on freedom as if they own it when the fact is they’re going against everything this fucking nation was founded on. They make me sick and I have less than zero respect for them as well as the corrupt politicians making their actions possible.

          Honestly many people as they extort it would not surprise me if they were paying people to upload it or uploading it themselves. They fight it so hard yet they do enjoy sending extortion letters out in fucking bulk.

          Then they buy morons like you to spew shit across forums nonstop. I could be wrong and you’re just stupid enough to buy into their lies.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “It will just lead to the theaters putting in some sort of system that makes the film watchable by the audience, but screws up the recording…”

          At that point in time, the “glasses” may actually be prosthetics.

          And you’re missing the same point which idiots in film studios have – and unlike you they can’t even claim ignorance.

          Basically, if a disruption can be compensated for in the visual spectrum, it can be filtered out from the digital pattern. If it couldn’t, the movie itself would be some trouble to watch.

          That aside, if such technology were to be created, pirates and other liberals will be the first to adopt it. Be able to disrupt CCTV on a continual and permanent basis in order to ensure big brother suddenly isn’t watching? Yes, please.

          And secondly…

          “you wouldn’t want to watch a copy of a movie filmed from someone’s glasses anyway, their head would be moving back and forth and pretty much making you ill.”

          Three words: Gyro-stabilized Camera.

          What have we told you about trying to comment on technological solutions, bobmail?

      • dondilly

        With the number of people that wear corrective glasses, it would only be a question of time as google glass evolves, opticians will be able to offer the google glass technology incorporating corrective lenses and even a choice of 3rd party lenses.

        • Terry

          Yeah they need that. Right now they’re easy to spot. Just look for the bright red circles.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      but,,,,,,if everyone has google glass what point is camming? plus i did hear execs thoroughly enjoy commando these days, urrrhh messy shoe fillers

      • dondilly

        One of these days someone is going to try livestreaming a movie. The thing is with google glass or anything connected to 3g of an unlimited wifi is that the movie can be written direct to cloud storage. With google glass it shouldnt be difficult to break the link if you get haulled out.what they are then left with is a lawsuit against them for picking on someone wearing glasses.

        • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

          one of the main reason its not been done is becuase many “units” of cinemas dont have wifi or even wifi strong even to go through the walls etc

        • dondilly

          Well i wasnt thinking of people using the cinemas own wifi network, now that might be an insult too many.

        • dondilly

          Just had a thought.
          What this story reveals is that cinema owners dont believe the bullshit about lost profits from cammers.

          The simple fact is that if they did believe it, their would be no reason for FACT or any other MAFIAA associate to put up a reward for cinema staff. The cinema chains would put up their own bounty if they really thought it was losing them bums on seats.

      • Anyone

        you can livestream the movie to friends that couldn’t make it to the cinema

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      fact and mpaa are WAYYY behind with the tech used. but yes you are correct with google glass they should be shitting themselves because from what i can tell, the lens isnt visible which means cant be detected. how ever you can also use another hd camera elsewhere that somebody is operating and instead of them checking the angle, the google glasses operator can tell them . and with the tech, you can also record on a remote device which means even if caught, not a single person in anti piracy groups could do them because there would be no evidence.

      • downunder

        theres plenty of chinese knock glasses that are very good and cost from $30 to $70 or less dollars and do HD at 30fps but some are so good in low light.. they very good in direct sun and over bright light though. I have a pair and they good for capturing stuff on the fly.. espc video animals liek dogs chasing balls

        • downunder

          I meant are not in low light… check out places like dx dot com

    • downunder

      but arent the theaters shutting down anyhow cos no one wants to sit in a cinema being disturbed by people talking eating and standing up soon they wont be able to record that way anyhow.. most of the sells would have to be via blu ray for home theates. often i would go during the day and there would be 1 or 2 other people in the whole place.. syrely they would make a loss 3x$10 – $30 to run a large hot projector.. hmmm and that was 11 years ago.. probably same now days

      • Kuntandthegang

        Nah, I stopped going to the cinema because they kept treating me like a criminal for paying to watch a film. Fuck ‘em. If they want to spy on me and subject me to endless warnings about the penalties for being caught doing something I never do and then employ someone to watch my every movement with suspicion then they can stuff their overpriced tickets and concession stand snacks up their arse. It’s home viewing only from now on. Strike up one lost customer.

  • Andrew me

    If you are working in the theaters in the UK this could become a new revenue stream, just get family to come in and record, then split the money with them. Yeah i don’t mind being kicked out and paid 350 from a friend working there. LOL . what a stupid idea

  • imaginaryGHOST

    Saved 100m? Come on, nobody would rather watch a shitty cam than pay a little money to see it on the big screen. People download these rips because either the movie hasn’t come out in their region yet, and they want to see if it’s any good before paying for it, or it has come out, and they want to see if it’s any good before paying for it.

    Do you see the trend? Spending money blindly on anything without knowing of its quality is asinine. I try everything before I buy, and because of that, I can’t remember the last time I spent money on something I was unhappy with (except my ex, though, in fairness, the defects only became visible over time).

    PS – To those who will say, “Herp derp read a review hurr,” I say this: good luck placing faith and stock into the opinions of strangers who may very well be bought off. Pick a DVD of the worst movie you know, and I guarantee there will be at least a couple of morons on the cover saying “Dazzling! Magnificent! A new reinvention of the genre! A triumph in every respect!” Meanwhile, the movie in question is, like, Bloodrayne 4.

    • Track19

      That just sounds as a self-satisfied comment,
      and I’m saying this without being a pro-copyright.

      Some of those who download camrips are simply desperate
      to watch a movie and they don’t care about quality,
      same happens with anime and fansubs,
      there is something called speedsubs,
      that’s when a group translates an episode within 24 hours,

      after the video was broadcasted or released in Japan,
      you can’t expect quality and accuracy in their job,
      sadly, things like that attracts several people.

      And what about Mini MKV files?
      Another way to deliver quantity instead quality.

      Some people even sell camrips, on cheap DVDs,
      in other countries and people buys those things.

      • imaginaryGHOST

        No. Anime is not the same thing, since we’re talking about movie cams. And if you actually spend money on that shit, then you’re an idiot and deserve the quality you get.

        • Track19

          You twisted all. Don’t let that hate blinds you.

          The point is, there are fans so desperate, who wants to watch that movie or series as soon as possible and don’t care about quality, thus both examples fit in this case, just as you can find a better rip of that movie later, you can find a better group who translated the same series days/weeks later. Embellish it all what you want, you can’t affirm all of them will go to pay for it later.

          Now I wonder if you know what you really like and enjoy or just spend your time downloading and buying anything to realise you don’t want it in first place. At least that doesn’t happen to me and I always find what I want and don’t need to watch previews or trailers for it.

        • imaginaryGHOST

          Dude, the thing is: if you watch a movie in a cam-rip with horrible picture and sound quality – and it’s good – you’ll likely wanna go see it in better quality. If you wanna download it when it comes to bluray, you can. Myself, I prefer the much better quality retail disc. Nothing beats a 24 mb VC-1 video track with uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio.

          I don’t know how many people will go see it later, but my guess would be that, if the movie’s good, the more the shitty quality is distributed, the more people will go see it. If it sucks, it doesn’t deserve money, anyway. Lost revenue due to piracy is a myth.

        • Fuckemall

          If it’s not available on VHS I don’t buy it!

      • Guest321

        Those who are that desperate to watch a shitty CAMrip, trust me you will never see a penny out of them because most of them don’t have the money to visit the theaters. If they can’t find a CAMrip online, they will simply not watch it. Either way the MAFIAA has nothing to gain but everything to lose.

    • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

      “nobody would rather watch a shitty cam than pay a little money to see it on the big screen” speak for yourself, even a shitty cam can show a shitty film, so yes id rather gain one that spend money you likely wouldnt get back

      • imaginaryGHOST

        That was EXACTLY my point. Kudos for not reading properly.

  • Boring Phil

    I’d feel a bit uncomfortable having my regular Tuesday afternoon wank if there were nosey Jobsworths creeping about with night-vision goggles on.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      get a girl to come in with you and lean her head over your lap to cover yourself while you wank, (i’m full of good workarounds)

      • Boring Phil

        Can’t fail!

    • Violated0

      Yes all those Disney and Pixer movies you wank off in…

      • Boring Phil

        Hey, that was only the once. And you’ve gotta admit, ‘Cars’ was one seriously steamy film.

    • Glib

      Would be fun to go to a movie with like 30 people holding those OStar 3.5w LED flashlights ,,, the whole room would be white for the chump with the glasses, perfectly normal for everyone else.

      • brandongohwh

        You should be saying “Would be fun to go to a movie with 30ppl holding IR lights”, it would totally piss the cinema workers and let the cammers enjoy peace

  • Guest

    afraid of London riots 2013? are we, police?

  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    anyone who cammed skyfall doesn’t need a lobotomy, just leave them alone in a room with a sharp object for 10 minutes

  • ZinxMinx

    lol, you have got to admit dude that is pretty funny.

    Web-Anon.da.bz

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  • Smekken

    I wonder how long it will take before the death penalty is issued in the US for camming.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      i’ll cam it if it is

  • V

    You’d think they would be more worried about in-house screener leaks than some crappy cam job.

  • MovieFan

    I pirate movies, but I draw the line on movie cam Downloads. I never liked the granny video quality and tin can audio. I normally wait for DvD release and download that. XD

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      yeah, i hate granny videos, so wrinkly and wobbly? lol

    • dondilly

      The only way a cam release is going to hurt the profits of a film is if it is a crap film. With the extortionate cost of tickets these days, the overhyping of movies and lack of money in peoples pockets, people can no longer afford to go to the cinema on a regular basis. Depending on how old you are, think back 10,15,20 and even 30 years ago and try and remember how much tickets cost compared to how long it took you to earn it. In real terms,the cost of going to the cinema has skyrocketed.
      Often, the sole reason for massive promo campaigns for films is to mug as many wallets as possible before word of mouth gets out as to how bad the film is.

    • mommy

      …but U must understand how nice and nostalgic feelings can very rare cam videos give, sneak peek before any one else… in other way cant agree more with Ur opinion, Cheers to Google Glasses to all.

    • Andrew me

      i have seen a few very good hd rips from cams , depends on the camera used and the cammer himself setting it up and getting the best quality.

  • MisterPIckle

    I’ve never understood the appeal of cam versions of films.

    Google Glass purportedly records at 720p, but I have to wonder about all of the minor head movements of a person while recording something. If you’re using your Glass to record BASE-jumping or waterskiing or such, that stuff’s not a problem. But in a theatre, even if it employs image stabilization, you’re gonna need to freeze your head into one fixed position for 100+ minutes. Sounds uncomfortable.

    I wonder how they are so sure that there are no cams that can be traced to a UK source? Some kind of watermarking? I mean, think of it, if they are serious about that kind of thing, it means the anti-piracy groups are fastidiously downloading all kinds of pirated films and doing comparison checks against legit copies of the films. It would take a lot of effort, they would need to have something like a “film forensics lab” somewhere to do this work.

    WRT camming in general, I often wonder how often the people working at a cinema are involved, ie, a projectionist with a friend or two, or maybe the theatre owner is looking to increase revenue a tad (not unlikely, since most theatres run on extremely tight margins).

    Finally — the _Seinfeld_ episode “The Puffy Shirt” came out in 1993. Which implies that camming has been around for at least a couple of decades, and also that cam versions have been a “thing” with New Yorkers for at least that long.

    • SluttyMary

      Don’t wear the device while recording…. simple enough.

    • Guest

      “I’ve never understood the appeal of cam versions of films.”

      I’ve never understood how some people just can’t grasp the concept that not everyone is a videophile/audiophile.

  • Violated0

    Let us recall that time when one movie studio hosted an official movie screening for journalists and their own kids where many of those kids took out their phones and recorded several minutes from the movie simply to show their school friends.

    Kind of puts the situation in context when you don’t really know why people do try to record. We also know FACT like to blow the situation up into something it is not meaning these 12 could be simply anyone down to young kids.

    I would also think official group cammers are more skilled in their work to avoid detection and a quick erase function to delete the evidence seems a must have. They should also be skilled in later removing watermarks but I believe no movies cammed in the UK is their most honest claim when these groups simply have better sources.

    Most movie workers would not care about cammers but the problem crops up when a cammed movie is traced back to that cinema.

  • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

    Google glass i hear you say. can you imagine the quality, when the wearer sneezes or sees a nice bit of stuff go by, and turns head. no way that’s going to work.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Doesn’t mean that the ‘glass’ has to be on the head of the person in question. It could be sewn into a jacket, shirt, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

        but you need to see where the camera is pointed? or not,

  • free movies

    If I were the Hollywood exec’s I would worry more about the Actor(s) or Actress(s) giving away free movies instead of the camms. But hey I am not complaining so go ahead give out all free movies you want people. :D

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  • Who

    “But despite every case being reported to the police – some involving
    Skyfall and The Hobbit – authorities could do little in response. Not a
    single cammer was charged or prosecuted”

    MPAA it serves you right HAHA.

    “attracting tens of thousands of downloaders”

    the most Ive seen hitting a cam @ one time is 10k. were do you get “tens of thousands” from?

    “The problem is legislation”
    AWW you cant get the UK government to kiss your ass.

    • Glib

      I went on TPB and looked at the top 100 currently active movies. Picked the first CAM I saw which, presently, has 10,000 indicated seeds, and 4,300 leechers. It was posted 2.5 weeks ago, so this would EASILY have been downloaded “tens of thousands” of times.

      • media freak

        There’s a difference between downloaded tens of thousands of times and attracting tens of thousands of downloaders. On that one torrent you posted all that can be detriment is that 10 000 people have it and 4 300 more are getting it so only 14 300 people total. Assuming anymore than that is speculation and you might as well just assume over a billion downloads on every torrent ever.

      • Who

        10′s of thousands of times is the equivalent of over 100 thousand downloads. really doubt that many downloaded that file in 2.5 weeks. especially with only 4.3k lechers and after one month it will be much lower than that. the MPAA exaggerates a lot to try and make there BS look better.

  • dark

    I’m not sure what the salary is for UK Cinema Employees, but here in the USA, Cinema Employees are paid nearly minimum wage, (ie they are the lowest in socio-economic status that there is in the entire country), therefore, the Cinema Employees are treated like crap financially and status wise as well, which give them 0% motivation to take on more responsibility to be police officers for the MPAA…therefore the MPAA will never be successful with such strategies to stop Camming in theaters…

    • George

      That is why they are offering them money. The incentive is easy to provide by the MPAA because they are already paid so little, and the MPAA have so much.

  • platyourpus

    “For this great achievement 13 cinema workers were paid rewards of up to £700 each.”

    Fucking Rats,they sell their souls for so little.Judas got 30 pieces of silver.

    • JordanKratz

      And they are shit upon by the probable minimum or close to minimum wages.
      Why be RATS……………..you Cinema Workers are nothing to the Corporations you Work for.

    • http://www.facebook.com/forkingham.melle Forkingham Melle

      yes, but they were probably camming too

    • Glib

      To be fair, £700 could easily be close to a month’s wage for a part-time employee … seems like nothing to you, maybe, but some degenerate who sees that much money for 1 hour of work … that’s pretty awesome.

      Would I do it? Probably, but I’d wait till the end :).

  • Darkhog

    Looks like FACT doesn’t have any facts on its hand…

  • anonymous

    not a bad exchange for the movie industry. gain £100m, pay out less than £9500 max. and the cinema workers think that’s a good deal? bigger fucking idiots them! it’s the usual situation where the entertainment industries want their service and income saved but dont want to pay anyone for saving it. i bet it broke their hearts when there was no one from the public bankrupted or imprisoned, even though they were caught!

  • protest

    Someone should organise a packed cinema and everyone boldly in their face record the movie as protest

    • history

      Not just the movie, but the employees and their reaction, and authorities reaction, in a peacable manner….let them break the law…….and get it on camera for historical purposes :)

  • JordanKratz

    Federation Against Copyright Theft (FACT)

    Paying money to scumbag Rat Fuckers !

  • JordanKratz

    Cams are more for shits and giggles than really watching.Pretty funny watching star wars ep.1 and seeing people walking in front of the cam……..hearing nearly everyone in theater cheering when the credits start rolling.
    And hearing those snickers as they attempted to digest jar jar.

  • vld

    last time i checked uk receives movies very late compared to other countries … so why would anyone want to record movies in uk’s cinemas if they have been available at the same quality for weeks before it premiers there?

    • dvla

      It’s been a while since you checked I guess. Releases are sometimes ahead of the US now, and sometimes simultaneous.

  • http://rationaldreaming.com/ Mike

    “So in stark contrast to punishments in the United States, of twelve UK camming cases just four individuals were banned from cinemas and zero people were prosecuted. So why the weak response? The problem is legislation….”

    This strikes me as a very strange characterization. If there were zero uploaded movies from the UK in 2012, how is the approach to tackling camming in any way a “weak response”?

    I would say that the measures put in place in the UK (up to and including cautions by the police) seem to be the perfectly proportional response to this problem.

  • Dave

    Cam releases aren’t that popular as other movie rips are. The only people who ever really watch them are the hardcore people who would never spend a single penny at a cinema or video store.

  • Hardcore101

    I’ve watched 4 CAM’s this year so far, and am perfectly satisfied. Yes, I’m that hardcore. I pirate EVERYTHING.

  • JerkfaceMcGee

    It’s actually amazing how cammers still do what they do despite the risk and the fact they do not get paid.

  • Kyle

    End of windows, end of problem.

  • Guest

    Shouldn’t the worker unions be outraged by this?
    The cinema staff guys are basically being scammed, payed just a little for saving the studios billions and trillions of dollars since you know that’s the money they’d lose per copy in a trial.

  • downunder

    clamping down will do more harm to their old business models.. whats it really costing them even if they comparing
    actual downloads with lost income which we all know is complete nonsense.. e.g. 20,000 downloads x $10 per seat
    wow $200,000 lost world wide? wow big deal however
    if the movie was actually worth the price I bet most saw it on big screen and wait for the dvd or just preview it to see
    if hype or not. however consider poverty line downloaders wouldnt of gone anyhow they havent lost a thing either.. cos they have no money to spend on such luxuries when $10 would cover some of the food bills instead or internet charges

    • Who

      ya and $200.000 is nothing to even what a flop of a movie makes back. when then spend say 200mill on it and it only makes say $30+mill cause no one like the fucking thing.

  • fedup

    look around it is not hard to find the tech to stream a movie through a wall to a remote hard drive ffs most do it every day at home streaming to there games machines or media players around the house through floors and wall, i’m not saying it would be cheap but i think it would be fairly easy and many a pirate worth his salt would surely take up the challenge lol, isn’t it all about shoving it back at the fookas who demand the money and control our minds with all this

    Bourgeoisie run companys fookem they make millions despite what ever gets pirated so c’mon the call as gone out argh argh !! Pmsl

  • Andrew me

    Taking phones from people that have them, i would turn around ask for my money back and go and download it from the internet, and i would tell them what i was going to do so as i walked out. How dare they even think they can take my possession from me, and in fact insinuate that i was a pirate, i would expect some people to go over the top and sue actually.

  • guest

    You know.. I’m fed up with the entertainment industry and its cash-hogging ideologies. I just “consume” less and less of their stuff recently..

  • Bleurgh

    I see where the MAFIAA are going next to influence the politicians to sentence “Cammers” to life imprisonment for recording movies. Perhaps they will send these “Cammers” to Aylesbury prison (UK’s toughest battleground)?

    Judgy in UK handed out the right sentences. Cautions should be the reprimand for camcording in the Cinema. Not 10 years like the Imagine dude.

  • http://blog.ssokolow.com ssokolow

    I’m honestly very glad I started boycotting the MPAA about a decade ago. Being expected to turn over personal electronic devices? I’d sooner raise a stink demanding a refund.

    …and I don’t even own a cellphone. (I use an OpenPandora, which runs ordinary Linux, is open except for the binary video driver blob, and has no GPS or cellular modem.)

  • saul

    “The impact of this programme may be measured by the fact that no
    pirated recordings were sourced to a UK cinema release in 2012,” the
    anti-piracy group reveals.
    —–
    Wouldn’t the explanation for this be the delayed release dates of the films in the UK, with cammed versions already being available online?

  • Guest

    Who actually wants to watch shitty CAMs anyway? There are loads of people that do of course, but I really don’t understand it.

    Now that hard copy releases are out much sooner than they used to be, and there are still decent leaks coming out before release (hobbit anyone?) I don’t see why you couldn’t wait a month or so.

  • Guest

    Wow people go to the Cinema to get spied.

  • boom

    more people will come to cinema to be spied lol :D

  • frozar

    Got to love watching a great movie with an EXIT sign to the lower left corner and shown with Russian, Greek, etc. subtitles.

  • tmc8080

    It’s relatively easy to record the audio.. but the video is another story.. the lenses used by most cameras can be detected when a certain light is shined upon them in wide-spectrum (and has no affect on those watching the movie). Many leaks are happening in other countries and that’s why the late release dates are happening (upwards of 2 wks after premiere). The HQ versions are leaking because of proximity to Oscar time and dvd/blu ray production 4-5 wks after primere and 1 – 3 wks prior to PPV.

  • Tobe92

    I dont think they should be prosecuted, because they have gone through enough trouble and drama as it is. and really, what is the harm being done here? how is the amount in damages calculated? everyone knows that they are not hurting or stealing from anyone…so why be arrested for recording your event with your cellphone/camcorder just as any other vacational activity?

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