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UK File-Sharers Face Disconnections After Appeal Court Ruling

Internet service providers BT and TalkTalk have lost their appeal against the UK’s Digital Economy Act. The ISPs had argued that the legislation was incompatible with EU law, but this morning the Court of Appeal decided otherwise and dismissed their appeal. While the decision was welcomed by copyright holders, Internet account holders now face warnings, disconnections and speed throttling.

For almost a year the UK’s Digital Economy Act has been in limbo after two of the country’s largest Internet service providers challenged the legislation. BT and TalkTalk had argued that the controversial law was incompatible with EU legislation and in March 2011 the High Court began a judicial review.

In April 2011 the High Court sided with the government and said that copyright holders have the right to tackle unlawful file-sharing, but in October the ISPs were granted leave to appeal on the grounds that the DEA might breach several EU directives.

Just minutes ago judges Lady Justice Arden, Lord Justice Richards and Lord Justice Patten declared that the ISPs have lost their appeal and the Digital Economy Act will stand.

TalkTalk described the ruling as “disappointing” and along with BT say they are now considering their options. Groups representing copyright holders have welcomed the Court of Appeal ruling.

“The ISPs’ failed legal challenge has meant yet another year of harm to British musicians and creators from illegal filesharing,” said Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the BPI.

UK Internet service providers will now be required to send warning letters to customers who the music, movie and software industries claim are infringing their copyrights on file-sharing networks.

After a year of sending letters, communications regulator Ofcom must report on the results of the campaign. In the event it has been ineffective in reducing file-sharing, so-called “technical measures” can be put in place – a euphemism for Internet disconnections and/or Internet throttling.

Open Rights Group, who have been campaigning against the legislation, said the Court of Appeal ruling has shortcomings.

“There is one thing the court cannot tell us: that this is a good law. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport had no evidence when they wrote this Act, except for the numbers they were given by a couple of industry trade bodies. This is a policy made on hearsay and assumptions, not proper facts or analysis,” ORG’s Peter Bradwell said in a statement.

“So significant problems remain. Publicly available wifi will be put at risk. Weak evidence could be used to penalize people accused of copyright infringement. And people will have to pay £20 for the privilege of defending themselves against these accusations. The Government needs to correct these errors with a proper, evidence-based review of the law.”

In comments to the BBC, Adam Rendle, a copyright lawyer at international law firm Taylor Wessing, said he expected BT and Talk Talk to take their appeal to the UK’s Supreme Court.

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  • Derp

    Bye bye UK, it’s been fun.

    • Anonymous

      Another country bites the dust.

    • FBI RATS

      People don’t forget, we’ve owned these industries the last ten years. Ive got about 4 to 5TB of data downloaded (not mainstream shit either), more every day, what you got backed up so far? cheer up! We are still winning and we are safe for the next five years at least. I will never buy another DVD or CD again and neither will you. There industry is nothing now, now ALL they have now is the cinema and youtube to sell their mainstream BS, they lost CD’s, DVD’s, TV, Radio. suck on that MPAA, RIAA, BPI dickheads. Even with your unpressented successful use of the democratic* proccess, you still have little control.

      • Ne

        yes, well it is the best and practically only solution short form falling into guerilla warfare : if someone gets convicted or gets an overpriced fine by the doing of firm x or y, then collectively stop ever buying anything from firm x and y, the wallet is their heart, that would be bullseye everytime

      • Abaranger

        Got almost 2 petabytes here, pretty small amount as I only really started filesharing in late 2002, if I really tried I would have 3-4 times that, meh will keep hitting and sharing hard until I die anyhow, its about time a new form of file sharing went mainstream anyhow, I’m also of the mindset as long as filesharers get hassled I will never ever spend even 1p on any form of entertainment media

        • Mark Lovelady

          I find it very hard to believe you have 2000 terabytes of disk space worth of media. And saying “pretty small amount” makes it even more unbelievable; anyone with that amount of file-shared material would know it’s not a ‘pretty small amount’.

          Not to mention the fact that saying “pretty small amount” is a clear indication of lying in itself, an attempt to underwhelm us and make your claim seem more realistic.

          If you’re not lying however, then OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Anyone

          2 Petabyte storage (without redundancy) costs about 200000€ with today’s hard disk prices.
          even if he bought them before the flood in Asia that increased the prices that would still be a 6 digit figure

          and that is not counting the computers/servers needed to store those ~1000 hard disks in.

        • Abaranger

          Where did I say 2 petabytes of storage? Almost that, very close to that in burnt media [original TY dye of course] , I do have 50+ terrabytes of hard drive storage though

          Why would I lie? for e-peen? you kids make me laugh

          And I guess you must be new as the amount I have is really small for collectors of Japanese music, movies, tv etc I wont go into details as its clearly a waste of time

      • KopimiHardliner

        Maintain. Hardline. Kopimi.

        Although I hope you might consider buying a DVD or CD from vo.do or jamendo.com or similar sites (or directly from the artists) and flattring from time to time. Every buck for a Creative Commons movie or song hurts the content mafia 10x more than a copied movie or song from the content mafia. Because on the long run that’ll make anyone, from the dumbest farmer to the most sneaky and corrupt politician, realize and ackowledge the logical flaws of their starving-artist-dying-culture arguments.

      • Anon

        Na rich people will still buy they are lazy and money is no issue…but good point on how much people can store on cheap disks now in homes all over the world ready to reseed. Hope you have a mirror system for backups!

    • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

      Not over yet, still got the Supreme Court, then the EU.

      • Anonymous

        The EU would prove most interesting when we can well recall the European Court of Justice ruling. I also expect they would much like to get their hands on the DEA when the EP has long voiced disapproval of such laws.

        We do certainly need to set disconnections being a Human Rights violation into European Law when it has only been stated by the United Nations so far.

        Not that anyone can ever be fully disconnected anyway. Just buy a SIM off eBay, anonymous store cash top-up, add an Internet package, then use your phone as a modem. You can do untraceable BT there even if slower and this should be done at night to avoid screwing up the network.

        Better is to protect your ass with VPN beforehand.

    • OMGWTFBBQ

      Why not go all the way to the EU court?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002639684444 Ryan Smith

    Unacceptable. What next, they will take the wheels off your car for singing along to pop songs without BPI’s consent?

    • Anonymous

      Thought police anyone?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

      Its no joke.
      In the UK these jokers have already tried hitting haulage companies who provide radios in the cab.

      Something even more farcical , there has been publicised cases of jobsworths from the performing rights society (trying to collect license royalties fr works performed in public) going after shop owners for fees because they have the misfortune of having happy workers with a tendency to sing or whistle the odd tune while working.

      • MadAsASnake

        At this rate, babies first cry will be copyright and they’ll have collections agencies in materniy wards. Won’t be safe to fart in the bathtub!

      • Anonymous

        I thought only SABAM were such idiots to try that.

        • Anyone

          no, basically all those organizations are like that, the german GEMA also pulled stunts like that

          they must be dismantled

      • Sam12345

        …going after shop owners for fees because they have the misfortune of having happy workers with a tendency to sing or whistle the odd tune while working…”

        I apologize right now Don I don’t mean to abuse you, but stop believing things you read in the Sun, they tell you bullshit, with absolutely no basis in reality and u believe it.
        The guys you are talking about go into shops to check that retailers have a performing arts license..every company is required to have them if they are broadcasting to the public….not whistling, singing or radios in a drivers cab…just to the public.

        • Kr0nZ

          But radio has already been paid for by the station,

          How can you justify double dipping?

        • Anyone

          because they can
          simple as that

          whatever money they can get they will get, morality or justification is not in their vocabulary (except when talking about filthy filthy pirates)

        • Anon

          I guess you have yet to deal with PRS and friends then because if you did then you would see that they do indeed try to extract money from you for the most silly reasons.
          And just to confirm, the story about them trying to extract royalties for somebody singing whilst they worked was true: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8317952.stm that is direct from the BBC not the Sun.

          Additionaly a drivers cab is classed as a public place (which is why you can not smoke in your truck whilst you are working) and it really would not suprise me if PRS declared the radio to be a public broadcast.

        • Predator

          Oh because it makes so much sense to ask retailers a performing art license,

          It make so much sense!

          ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

          Parasite.

        • Zig

          @Sam12345

          Sorry to burst your little shill bubble, but it wasn’t a story from The Sun, it was across all the media and yes it did happen. In fact, it embarrassed the PRS enough that they made an apology.

          Oh yes, here’s the ‘apology’ story on the BBC News website:

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8317952.stm

        • Zig

          The bloodsucking PRS scum require you to have an entertainments license (the fee for which is payable directly to the PRS!) if you broadcast public domain or Creative Commons music where the rightsholder has given express permission to allow that music to be publicly played and strictly forbidden royalties to be collected for the same. The PRS collecting a royalty fee in the form of license payments breaks the restrictions imposed by the rightsholder – the PRS are profiting from other people’s work against their express wishes. IANAL but I think this may be beyond just unlawful, it might actually by criminal profiteering.

        • Anonymous

          Actually, SABAM did just that – demand public performance licenses for radios kept in driver cabs. And for any radio kept in any form of workplace.

          And yes, there have been attempts to demand licensing for people who regularly whistle, hum and sing. Fortunately squashed, but these cases keep coming up.

    • Anonymous

      No, whats next? regular police stops, not to check if you are drunk, but to check those MP3s on the disc/stick in your car stereo are legit or pirated.

      • Anonymous

        I also forgot to mention, it’s not just the people caught with pirated songs on their memory stick or CDR(W)s, but those who literally blast their music at 11 with four subwoofers will be done for public performance!

      • Dorian Stretton

        Copyright infringement, which is what is being discussed here, is not a criminal offence therefore the police would not be involved at all.

        • Anyone

          not yet

        • Zig

          Tell that to ‘FACT’. They’ve already involved the police on several occasions. Have you forgotten the OINK debacle? That was one of theirs.

    • Anonymous

      What a bunch of fucking assholes these BPI are.
      USA will be next in line so then we will be fucked as well.
      Boycott All MAFIAA Content

      • Guest

        It would be useful if at least 50% of the public could boycott the entertainment industry right now to stop these corporate criminals.

        I would also prevent us from having to kill a significant numbers of them to protect our society and our republic.

  • Xris Stetter09

    This is insane…what will happen when this spreads(which it will)? We will end up having completely censored internet, enjoy it while it lasts i say!

    • Tom

      They go as far as they are pushed really. If piracy stopped today, I would imagine that they wouldn’t push for any further measures.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GU43EPIIFPT4SZQYYCXUDMZG5I DJ Night Force 9

        First of all, piracy will never be “stopped” and It is foolish to believe otherwise. Secondly, things will only get worse once they start extending these censorship style laws further. It starts with illegal downloading but then may target people with certain beliefs or political stances and get their sites blocked. They could easily forge an infringement mark against them as well that leads to disconnection.

        Having what amounts to a “sentence” passed with no due process and entirely based on what some third party corporation (whom is known for very questionable actions in the past) is very dangerous because they prioritize “profit” over people’s general interests.

      • Reasoning …

        One thing we know about the Movie and Music industry is, no matter what they have, they will always want more.

      • Kopimist

        “Pushed”?

        Are you kidding? Are you really *that* Naive? People like that will take and take and take. They are just profiting – it is about *nothing* else.

        If all our roads were perfect and schools were perfect and there was no need for much of a police force, do you seriously suggest taxes would drop? If you believe this to be the case then you are out of your tiny mind.

        • Anyone

          he is just a troll, ignore him

        • Guest

          Troll.

      • Anonymous

        Not really, Way back when. Before the Internet, there was this home taping is killing music. It never did and it just serves as historic PROPAGANDA and we really should EDUCATE the technically illiterate GOVERNMENT

        Hint: keywords are capitalized.

      • Zig

        Bullshit. They’ve already got laws that they can use against piracy – many many many of them. But they’re never enough. Even if there were no piracy they’d insist that it still existed and push for more laws to enforce consumption of heir ‘product’ to maintain their profits.

      • Anonymous

        Piracy won’t ever stop. Human nature sees to that. In modern times we’ve seen since the 50′s just how impossible stopping people from copying is.

        It’s the same argument the Soviets used: “We could stop these repressive measures if just everyone supported communism and the planned economy”.

        It doesn’t work that way, and thus either we get rid of IP or we get rid of human rights. There is no convenient fence to sit on there.

  • Waseihou

    Time to grab some anonymous file sharing software! But which program should be used and propagated for that purpose, people answer plz someone!

    I’m making a list of anonymous file sharing networks on our local Pirate’s party forum and really can’t decide which one should we promote as an alternative. There are so many of them, of course I ran into retroshare, but looking at it – it is using only MD1 for hashes, isn’t it obsolete algorithm? Well, at least it support UPnP and net traversal algorithms if I remember correctly so it is not that bad. But what about OneSwarm? How is that different from retroshare? It is being actively developed and forum is active, anonymity dark net can be created, it is open sourced, and on top of that it can act as a normal bittorrent client. Another posibility is I2P, it is a good and mature piece of software and the only problem with that is low user base. It would need a better bittorrent client though, and it can work as a layer for other applications. What about MUTE? (http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/), the project seems good at first sight, but isn’t it dead like many others? What about Calypso (former kommute)? http://calypso.sourceforge.net

    None of those solution offers a cache like freenet or gnunet, which I think is crucial for anonymity darknets to work fast. Look at Perfect Dark – it enforces 100GB cache so that it is useful for video sharing, but it is closed source and so we can’t recommend it because we can’t trust it. Closed source can be also simply discontinued without anynone being able to continue the work. GNUnet is also mature, but to create a client for windows a bit tricky and it is not feeling “at home” on Windows system, being compiled with layers like cygwin. GNUnet would be prefered to freenet because it supports swarming and multiple source download. On I2P there is this tahoe-lafs file system which should add this functionality if I understand it correctly, but I have not tested it and don’t know the state, at least it seems that it is being actively developed right now (https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs). Has anoyone heard of bithorde, and would it be useful for anonymity purposes?

    What about OFF system? They pages seems down and there is not much information on that topic.

    So what should be used? I gathered information on maybe 20 or so projects which were being developed for some time and while a lot of them seems promising, there is always some catch which makes them difficult to use (compilation with D, no new release for several years, low user base, difficult to install, run or use…)

    Waseihou

    • FBI RATS

      EMULE, it still works, has downsides obviously.

      • Waseihou

        Emule is not anonymous, though it uses kademlia for hashes so that it is difficult to take it down, there is no problem for mafiaa to go after users. The same effect can be accomplished with magnet links and DHT, as they can’t take down servers with magnet links and magnets itself are easily backed up. So of course as long as they don’t make mass lawsuits or disconnections in your country you are relatively safe, as the probability of being caught is really low.

        So for now just stick with bittorrent, it will be there for a long time, don’t worry. But in my country for example they charged 60 people for filesharing a film Kajinek which is a domestic production, so they can go after people if they want. Also I heard that in Germany which is right next to us they are making mass lawsuits against bittorrent users, not sure though about details.

        As long as we download media from other side of planet we are safe with bittorrent, but it is more ideological than practical idea right now to build a massive darknet or something. We need a stick to make THEM angry, so we could laugh into MAFIAA’s face while they can’t do anything. They asked for that, so they deserve it. Beat them up ;)

        Imagine an anonymous place known to wide public where NO LAWS regarding information can be enforced, one big SEWER with all GOOD and BAD! I am an ANARCHIST and I want to make such a place possible and running. I want to screw existing society and want everyone to break rules, I want to destroy old tables with moral values so that new ones could be written. New rules are to come, and as they are going to be void, there will be no rule. The only rule will be anarchy. Absolute infoanarchy is necessary condition for real anarchy.

        • Guest

          If you want to stay private with Emule use a VPN service such as ipredator.

        • Waseihou

          Use VPN service like ipredator – if I decided to pay for that, why would I use Emule? With VPN I can use bittorrent and be anonymous. But it’s another money to pay. Well, wait for them to ban VPNs, some schools and employers already bans anything that can be used to circumvent content filtering so that people do not slack around. We might suppose that while in democracy VPN service cannot be filtered because it might serve othe purposes, it might become liable in the country it is operating, and it’s obvious that US government will push legislature in souch countries to make operators of VPNs liable for their customers action, or to force them to give IP and name of infringer. The schema is good for now, operators of VPNs will make good money, maybe I should setup one too ;)

      • Anyone

        while emule still works torrent with magnet links is superior
        and you are just as vulnerable with either, and a VPN protects you just as good with either

        so why choose the worse option

    • Anonymous

      Have you tried stealthnet? Uses onion routing, randomized TTl on requests, the works. The one drawback I see with it is that right now there’s a hard size limit on files – 4 GB. Not sure why.

  • MadAsASnake

    And guess what – they’ll be doing it based on flawed and discreditted IP data.

  • Richard Gailey

    I long for the day when we won’t be restricted to only use ISP’s from our own countries, but can instead use a provider in another country where their laws aren’t implemented by weak governments ruled by the lobbying corporations nor will they have to abide by those laws.

    Via the BBC:

    Christine Payne, general secretary of the Actors’ union Equity, called on the ISPs to “stop fighting and start obeying the law”.

    “Once again the court is on the side of the almost two million workers in the creative industries whose livelihoods are put at risk because creative content is stolen on a daily basis,” she said.

    No. It should read, “Once again the court is on the side of the corporations that ‘donate’ to corrupt politicians (Peter Mandelson etc) that will push through laws like this.

    • Anonymous

      I long for the day people use mesh nets, free, uncensored internet, bliss.

      • Its here

        Make a start with YaCy!

        http://yacy.net

        • Anonymous

          No, that is a peer-to-peer search engine which uses the existing internet. a mesh net creates its own peer-to-peer internet, so you dont have to rely on ISP’s.

    • Guess

      nothing stopping you getting sat broadband from any provider in the world.
      other thing people are forgetting is these are mearly allegations of infringing, if you haven’t done what is alleged then that is a false allegation and defamation which last time I looked was sueable.
      and one thing the B.P.I. is forgetting is that they themselfs are a privately listed company which means they are subjected to the same laws, if their IP starts getting spoofed and a indepenant artist for example complains, BPIs internet is subject to the same laws.

      have not been able to find anything eu wise saying several laws that were being debated in the EU have been passed with regards to right to internet access have been passed, but there are several listed when doing a google search.

      • MadAsASnake

        Don’t even have to spoof it at the moment – just fling their IP back at them. The content industry thinks uncorroborated IP’s are fine – yeah – lets all do that.

    • tonyj

      Don’t buy from those corporations. Boycott those corporations. You don’t need to buy their craps on your internet.

  • Will

    Fuck.

  • Jamesd

    “Proof of Claim” ask them for it.

    • MadAsASnake

      UK law is at least clear and tested on this point, thanks to Judge Birss. They still have to show that you performed the act or authorised someone else to do so. Even if they get the the IP gathering right, and match it through the ISP, all they have is a router address. They will have NO IDEA AT ALL who performed the copying. If they want to prove authorisation – well – that’s an impossible job. They pretty much have to have it in writing. Again, simply because it happened doesn’t mean the accountholder did it or authorised it. There are so many possibilities:
      - Open Router (stil legal here…)
      - Hacked Router
      - IP mistakenly gathered
      - IP mistakenly matched
      - Account holder not the infringer (or authorisor)
      And this is just torrenting. So next step is that we get something as ineffectual as HADOPI and they cut off a few 12 year olds. What pisses me off is that there will be two likely results (as seen courtesy of a certain Mr Crossley):
      - there will be a lot of false positives and the pain that causes for innocents
      - there will be a lot of cost for ISP’s and taxpayers
      There will be NO BENEFIT AT ALL for the “creative” industries.

      • MadAsASnake

        Oh – and I missed one of the favorite wheezes of the copyright cartels – claiming copyrights and rights of action they don’t have.

      • Anonymous

        Well two problems there.

        First is that this appeals process won’t be through a court when court involvement is only the final stage.

        Then second the DEA is a law that makes subscribers responsible for all that happens on their connection. So if your kids did it they don’t care. If someone hacked your WIFI they don’t care. If you were away on holiday they don’t care.

        It is all… This is your connection and you are responsible for it.

        The problems of course are that the average computer user is no match for a professional hacker, viruses do happen, then punishing the innocent for the action of others is totally unethical and a major violation of established law.

        • MadAsASnake

          OfGem is struggling with that at the moment. All that can happen at the moment is that they can write you letters and once a “threshhold” of infringements has been met the rights holder can obtain the IP details / subscriber name and address and proceed with legal proceedings. Now those legal proceedings are on EXISTING IP LAW – and IP is NOT evidence that the subscriber infringed or authorised infringement. Unless they have more than IP evidence, every subscriber has a complete defense (“I didn’t do it”). This data seems to have no value for litigation so the only use is the usual “pay up or else” extortion schemes. There is also a vague peice on “technical measures”. Anything effective is likely to violate EU law in being a.) disproportionate, b.) cutting of innocent parties.

          So to answer your questions:
          - yes the initial stages will be quasi-judicial ignorance.
          - no – it doesn’t – it assumes and makes your life hell.

          The other point is that to do this, the ISP’s must install and use expensive monitoring equipment. Under EU law, they cannot be compelled to do this and I suspect the’ll use this to the max before spending money pointlessly.

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  • Txntxnfn

    UK is the mafiaa’s bitch now and forever.

    Well, until the people wake up, see that their rights are being violated and start throwing stones and molotov coctails at the people who are supposed to “represent” them, but instead screw them over.

    • Guest

      Your talking like we did nothing to try to stop these laws but we did not have Wikipedia Reddit or boingboing fighting are battles for us that is what made the difference and I find it disgusting that the one country that deserved no help in fighting it’s battle (the US) got loads of websites backing and carrying it’s sorry ass anti SOPA/PIPA message while other countries have had laws chucked at them without governments having a second thought.

      I just hope sooner rather than later the US will get what is coming to it and be forced to join all the other countries it has ruined.

      • MadAsASnake

        And don’t forget that there is a ready source of angry people that have already been subjected to this BS (courtesy of a certain disgraced and debarred lawyer) that are watching and know how to respond.

  • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

    This despised Digital Economy Act 2010 was the UK’s often-sacked Labour Party Lord Mandelsson’s baby after made love with the MAFIAA.org over cocktails on the private estate located in a tropical island.

    You couldn’t make this shit up into a horror movie that no-one but the CopyWrong Cartel would want us to watch.

    It’s a corruption of capitalism, it’s a deliberate distortion of the market against the wishes of the VAST majority (dare I say 99%?), and it’s clearly a law that’s designed to bully customers into buying shit, and bullying the so-called “content industry’s” main source of new revenue, ie the “content creators” by forcing them into contracts no sensible person in the 21st century would ever agree to.

    Our democracy has been undermined and corrupted by rich people who pay our “elected” politicians to pass laws we don’t want.

    And that’s not right. We need a change. A radical change.

    • Anon

      “We need a change. A radical change.”

      Maybe change back to paying for the merchandise you copy and all this will go away. Like in the real world. The internet is the real world, too. Get used to it.

      • Anyone

        tell me where i can get DRM free movies at the time they are released on dvd/bluray

        • Guest

          My friend’s house.

      • DutchGuest

        Obvious troll is obvious.

        • Anon

          Real world activities lead to real world consequences. Pirates are the cause of our collective loss of freedom. Obvious is obvious.

        • Anyone

          no, the MAFIAA is responsible, because they refuse to adapt to the new technologies and are prepared to drag the whole society down with them as they slowly die

        • Anonymous

          @Anon

          “Pirates are the cause of our collective loss of freedom. Obvious is obvious.”

          According to you then, it’s the uppity woman’s fault for getting beaten.

          There is no excuse for eliminating civil liberty. Fortunately the public at large has a way of dealing with those who think there is.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anon
          So in your veiw it’s perfectly OK to trample everyones rights because of a few infringers?

        • MadAsASnake

          Someone else said you can’t reason with Anon…they weren’t wrong

        • Nona

          It’s OK. We’ve logged Anon’s IP address. Needless to say their ISP will be receiving a request for warning letters to be dispatched pursuant to disconnection.

          MAFIAA have brought in on themselves. They wanted war, they’ve got it – and no matter how many laws they pass, they’ve already lost.

      • Anonymous

        People never have. As soon as there is a method for copying, people will use it. They always have.

        The internet is just like the real world. Get used to it. And stop living in your crack pipe where information control actually works.

        You couldn’t stop the sneaker net. You won’t stop this.

      • Vladimir

        Maybe is a time to change and sending you and others like you beyound this world , there you can make your own stupid rules and wolrd will be much better without your outdated thinkings . Thats the radical change , we can sending you and others like you in a better wolrd where is no pain , no money and everything is fine

        • Lknecnrg

          No money? tsk tsk

          Nah, the mafiaa morons need little pieces of paper to count.
          It makes’em feel special.

      • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

        *yawn*

        Uhm huh yeah. Totally agree. Run along back under your bridge now, and assume the hands around your ankles position. Your Mommy will be missing you.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        When you CopyWorng Cartel asswipes have spent all OUR cash on bribing politicians and you’re STILL made redundant, then you’ll see that our precious cash goes to the people who actually CREATE the music and not you bunch of power-hungry, greedy, middle-men pimps.

        Meanwhile, fuck off out my face before I spew all over it. You’re very presence is so suffocatingly stomach churning you make me nauseous.

      • Guest

        No.

        A change where all the corporate parasites you are working for as a professional troll are dead and buried.

        This is the change that is going to happen.

      • Guest

        “Real world activities lead to real world consequences. Pirates are the cause of our collective loss of freedom. Obvious is obvious.”

        Interesting. This is the way the terrorists think: If you don’t do what we want we will kill your neighbor and you will be responsible for his death. (Not us of course!)

        You learn well the entertainment industry terrorist ideology. Congratulation!

      • HeyNonAnon

        Anon still thinks rape victims brought in on themselves. Keeps coming back here to say it again and again.

    • Fuck the system

      This corrupt capitalism is numbered ,democracy never be a democracy in fact , is just a system of lies and manipulations, democracy mean people decide what is good or not , what is legall or illegal becouse people makes the laws and rules , democracy mean dictatorship of majority , let me know when and where this happen , is just a illusion “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ” now this sick system kill people , everyone knows and realize whats happen – rich people are rich becouse they play dirty , break the laws and pay bribe after to escape , now these parasites buy power , pay to get political rank becouse they know after can change laws and are free to do what they want , but they miss something , outhere is billions poor and anger people which has nothing to loose , many dont have their own houses ,dont have money to get a decent life , many works like a slaves for these parasites and their luxury waste
      Guess what will happen when all these billions will decide is time fuck laws and make revolutions ?

      Is time to erase all these parasites

    • Anonymous

      We should recall that even Government departments are fighting over the DEA.

      There is the Hargreaves Review of Intellectual Property and Growth report taking a more soft approach and even concluded that adding a “fair use” exception was too radical for UK law. He did not recommend the DEA.

      Then we have the London School of Economics and Political Science report stating that the DEA gets the balance between copyright enforcement and business growth and innovation wrong.

  • User1

    They are trying to solve a problem that existed in 2002. These days we have legitimate sources to download DRM free music from that are more convenient that the illegal methods. The problem today exists not for the music industry but for the movie industry as it refuses to provide decent legal and DRM free versions of the service that illegal sites provide.

    • MadAsASnake

      And they will no doubt claim the soon to be seen reduction as a great success of people being scared off by talk of the DEA. That netflix is just starting up in the UK WILL reduce the problem and conveniently muddy the stats.

      • FBI RATS

        fuck netflix. how is netflix going to replace the uncensored Internet. millions of us together made the internet what it is. netflix is corporate.

        • Anyone

          but netflix is a step in the right direction, give us content when we want it, how we want it

          of course the net should not be censored, but with attractive service piracy is a non-issue

        • MadAsASnake

          If they get it right, why not use it? I’m not anti corporate. I’m anti-corruption and anti-idiot.

        • Anyone

          most content on netflix is regionlocked for me

          I can’t give the MAFIAA my money even if I wanted to

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anyone
          I if they get it right. It’s a really big IF and one MAFIAA are fighting hard against. Like I said, I’m anti-idiot… MAFIAA are thundering idiots.

        • Anonymoose

          Fuck netflix. It’s not even available in my country.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anonymoose
          Well, they can hardly complain that you don’t use that sort of service then, can they? You would hope that a few clued up shareholders would be asking questions like”if there is so much money to be made online why aren’t we going after it?” – but no, that would be sensible…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1675073408 Timothy Callil

    plz dont happen in australia :o

  • Anonymous

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Remember the man who caused this! Peter Mandelson! Fucking twat!

    • FBI RATS

      Peter Mandelson

      • Anonymous

        The Right Honourable Lord Peter Benjamin Mandelson. Also known as Mandy the total twat.

        • Zaig

          aka Darth Mandelson or Darth Mandy

  • PlatinumC

    “The ISPs’ failed legal challenge has meant yet another year of harm to British musicians and creators from illegal filesharing,” said Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the BPI.

    I really felt like hitting something after I read that sentence.
    What a numbskull.
    Quote from Eminem -
    “You don’t know how sick you make me
    You make me fuckin’ sick to my stomach
    Every time I think of you, I puke
    You must just not know–whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa
    You may not think you do, but you do
    Every time I think of you I puke”

    I wonder will I get disconnected now? Probably not, since luckily I’m from such a small country, for copywrong people to make profit, so they don’t bother us (read: yet).

    • Anyone

      careful, or you might get a notice for quoting copyrighted lyrics!

      • PlatinumC

        Yeah, that’s why I said, I wonder if I get disconnected now :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Dilly/1624894683 Don Dilly

    I would not have a problem with the DEA if as with the DMCA after the subscriberis contacted the complainant then has to deal with the subscriber directly rather than having to live under the threat of a crippled service or disconnection on merely multiple accusations against a subscriber rather than an unidentified infringer..

    Aside from the total lack of accuracy of IP data, there is enough case law to kill any infringement case in court.

    I would much rather have my day in court that deal with a MAFIAA imposed witchfinder general.

  • Asur

    This is happening in your country because you didn’t do anything to oppose it . Does anybody went into the streets and protest against this stupidity ?

    • FBI RATS

      no, not enough of us anyway, we have been conditioned you see..

    • MadAsASnake

      Very difficult when it’s agreed at a private cocktail party in another country and pushed through parliament without scrutiny. There is plenty of opposition.

    • Anonymous

      The DEA was already stalled in Parliament due to public protest. It then passed without real debate with hardly no one there during the Government’s wash-up period.

      It is only a bill that serves the interests of one community at the expenses of every other community.

      We do not forget when the Government attacks their own voting citizens.

      • Class War

        “We do not forget when the Government attacks their own voting citizens.”

        No, we don’t. We remember Thatcher. We LIVED through that bitch’s evil reign before fucking Holywood decided it should lionise the cow. We will never forget and we will be fucking partying in the streets when that bitch dies. We will piss on her stinking fucking grave en masse.

        Then it will be Peter Mandelson’s turn.

  • Anonymous

    did anyone actually think this would end differently? the ruling was made after the first court case, but the process had to look as if it had been followed. Vaizey is the main instigator of this being implemented, just as he was over the newzbin case and TPB blocking. going to the UK Supreme Court may alter things but really the case needs to go before the EUCJ and the EUCHR. the other alternative, the one that customers have been asking for for years, is to be able to get the stuff they want, when they want it, fast, drm free, in the formats wanted at sensible prices. i know, i am still dreaming!

    any comments from Rik Falkvinge on the UK joining Sweden and France etc with this draconian censorship?

  • Janobi

    Whilst the UK courts might of sided with the BPI and co. The EU courts are higher, and will essentially have the final say. As the ruling has already been passed that ISPs cannot censor stuff, I dont see this going very far.

    Also the only people it will affect are those who DL off public sites, or use cyberlockers. Move with the times, and find new ways. Its not like things haven’t evolved from the original BBS days.

    • Anyone

      the EU courts already ruled against this.
      the UK courts just ignore that

  • Mwhahaha

    Time to switch to a smaller isp perhaps

  • Chronoss2008

    and a year form now with less UK online the world will see they don’t make more money … then what?
    IN fact the economy will be worse off good job ROFL. GO HOLLYWOOD your ruining earth for your masters the space aliens.

    Space aliens you say? Well i can’t think logically why the govts are bending over like this other then fear…what have you to fear?

    • Drater

      Whether they make more money or not there will be reports that state positive gains have been made (can you figure why?).

      Fuck all to do with Hollywood. The U.K. has the same interests as every other country pushing similar legislation (can you figure what?).

  • Jack

    For many UK file sharing enthusiasts this law isn’t going to make too much difference, if there’s anything you want you’re still going to be able to get it.
    Maybe it’s time you had a VPN now in any case. Take a look at the Usenet too, I’ve just seen that Astraweb now sell 1000GB of downloads for $50 (SSL included) and have nearly 1,300 days of retention. Some great news readers out there too, some fee and others for a few dollars. Maybe spend a few quid and keep sharing as if the DEA doesn’t exist, it would be much cheaper than having a copyright claim land on your doorstep.
    A few other considerations as noted above, smaller ISPs are exempt and I think that 3G services are exempt too. 3G speeds are improving, there are unlimited accounts for some smartphones or tabs which can be tethered to your PC or even install a torrent client to the device.
    The DEA is just an inconvenience which can easily worked round.

    • Anyone

      and all that money spent on VPN or Usenet does not go to the MAFIAA

      mission accomplished

      • Zig

        Yes, in fact all that money spent on VPN is money that cannot be spent on MAFIAA content by the biggest consumers of content (including ‘paid for’ content). So in reality the MAFIAA will reduce their profits. Business Economics 101.

  • MadAsASnake

    I’ll be fascinated to see how the ISP’s respond to this. On the one hand the EU says they cannot be compelled to monitor their customers, on the other, the DEA says they must. Now despite the content industries telling us how easy this is – monitoring is hard and expensive. Monitor what? The content industries will barf up a few torrent signatures and miss most of it. Pretty sure the content industry line will be to take down anything that looks like it could infringe – that won’t fly. The hardware to do this is expensive, and in this case will acheive little. I suspect we’ll have some appeals to the EU before anyone does anything else. The DEA as encated appears to mme to be impossible to implement.

    • š£‡~¬

      They’ll have third-party companies sat in swarms gathering addresses and firing notices at the ISPs. Simple.

      • MadAsASnake

        Uh-huh – and tell me, how does that identify the infringer?

        • Anyone

          it doesn’t

          but the law says it does, so someone gets sued

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anyone
          Nope – established UK law says it doesn’t (bloody obvious, BTW). The DEA cannot work without trashing some good laws. It’s about this point that the BPI will squeal that because they can’t identify the individual they should be able to sue anyone.

        • Toomanyfish

          The account holder is held responsible.

        • Zig

          The account holder can’t be held responsible if the downloader was using a VPN. What we’ll probably get then is a lot of false positives.

        • MadAsASnake

          @Toomanyfish
          In the UK, the law is pretty explicit – it is the person that performed or authorisatised the act. Authorisation is even harder to prove with IP than copying (ie its totally impossible so you can forget about it). The DEA had some vague clause about adequately securing wireless connections but offered no clues as to what “adequate” means… WEP can be broken in seconds and most domestic users are NOT knowledgeable – so even this clause is unworkable. So unless they invent some sort of vicarious responsibility (that would be contrary to estalished law) or reverse burden of proof (as in Germany) then not having done it is actually a complete defence. Wow. IP data cannot show otherwise. and you don’t have to prove an unprovable negative. If they do what I suspect they will, they will be bombarding people with letters (as with HADOPI in France) to which people already have a perfect and complete defence. I do suspect however that they will make any appeal as difficult and unresolvable as possible. Annyway, this will be stalled in the courts long bbefore a single person is cut off.

  • tonyj

    You got to hit them where it hurts the most; their revenues. I would suggest boycott for a week. Drop Sky, don’t purchase anything done by DreamWorks, all those visual artist behind the Design and Artists Copyright Society, the people behind the British Association of Picture Libraries and Agencies like Getty Images (Getty? I thought he was American), and that dim witted Community Media Association. Your rights, and privileges are in jeopardy and you must take up the challenge because each day these laws chip away your democracy only to expose that Orwellian state you feared. Get civil, get organized, get militant on the keyboard, and hold the damn line. It’s your country, it’s time you took it back.

    • Anonymous

      Gee cowboy, they fuck you over and you suggest not to give them money for an entire week? Go easy…

  • Anonymous

    Get a vpn, £1.50 a month.

    • Chronoss2008

      and do you know whom owns the vpns and where they are located…..
      NICE try at a late money grab….THEY already are watching your vpns….
      JUST want to get you all in one place so the last move finally slaps you….

    • Guest

      Where?!

    • Guest

      Where?!

  • Maxxori

    I have but two words to say to the clowns that seek to force the unenforceable laws: bite me.

    I have a VPN so come get me if you can.

  • Sam12345

    Again, i tell you all, stop panicking, it will never happen…high court appeal, house of lords appeal, eu appeal. And the EU courts are already looking at internet connection being a human right…and that rights of the copyright holder no NOT supersede right of privacy [data protection] and rights of the individual.

    • Anonymous

      The right to common privacy was similarly upheld. In the US it died a miserable death when the Patriot Act was invented.

      The same debate held true in the UK when it came to city-wide CCTV and in the EU when they started debating mass surveillance of the citizenry. Fact of the matter is the way these things go what you end up with are centuries of internationally accepted civil rights removed literally overnight.

      And no one complains until the effects start hitting home.

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  • Anonymous

    Seriously? Are they going to let some kangaroo court do that to them? I think not!
    Go-Anon.tk

    • Lknecnrg

      LMAO…

      Flagged, ya spammy bitch!

  • Anon

    Did anyone really think the online free-for-all would go on forever? next up?
    VPN and encryption licensing. YES

    • Anyone

      the backlash is starting
      the MAFIAA has overextended and will suffer for it

      • Anon

        Your talk is cheap. Their actions speak louder.

        • Anyone

          sadly they have bribed the right people so that actions like this can happen.

          hopefully in the end justice will prevail and we will once again live in a free society.

        • Anon

          “sadly they have bribed the right people so that actions like this can happen.”

          That needs serious citation and evidence or you are typing out your ass.

          “hopefully in the end justice will prevail and we will once again live in a free society.”

          Hopefully pirates will get it through their entitled skulls that nothing comes from nothing, everything has its cost in finance, time, investment, contribution….as a society we pay our way or skirt the rules and be punished for it and hopefully in the end we’ll have some privacy and freedom left after the pirates have used stealth, selfishness and technology to threaten the freedoms we do (did) have. FUCK pirates for that. Fuck you hard.

        • Anyone

          since rulings like this go against common sense there are 2 options.
          either the judge has no idea or he has been bribed

          I choose one of those, not sure if it is the more likely one.

          I’m all for supporting artists, but NOT the greedy cunts in the middle fucking both the artist and the customer
          and as long as piracy is the better service I will continue pirating. selling little plastic discs isn’t a business model anymore in this day and age.

          and as I said it is entirely the MAFIAA’s fault that we lost those rights.
          they choose to bribe people to take them away instead of adapting to the present they want to preserve the past, and cause much collateral damage in doing so.

        • Anon

          Having your own set of “facts” makes you weak here. This ruling is consistent with everything that has come before it, including and especially property rights, both analog and digital. Your “common sense” isn’t common to any but a dwindling few. It’s pirate-think and that “what’s yours is mine because you can’t stop me” anarchy is what got us here in the first place.

          The industries “in the middle” got there because artists signed on, and noticeably still do. Contracts with industries remain the goal for virtually every content creator but a very precious few. Few make a living without some sort of industry marketing, digital protection and financial support. WHY? Because piracy doesn’t PAY. Do you know anything about publishing? The economics of Motion pictures? TV? Music? Digital media?

          Selling plastic discs is bull and a poor quality sophism. Half the revenue in recorded music is in digital download and growing monthly, digital players hold sway, cd players are going extinct, you’d know all this if you got out of your Mothers house once in awhile. They aren’t protecting discs. They are protecting PROPERTY independent of the format. Piracy needs far better informed spokespersons.

          If you have a shred, even one single shred of evidence that ANY industry, ANY ONE AT ALL, moved towards any of this surveillance and control pre-Napster then publish here and now. Industry response is just that, a response to piracy. Try to rewrite history all you like. The truth will out and pirates will get the punishments they richly deserve in due time. Governments are just getting started. Sabu got busted back in August, and fingered Lulzec today. There’s no honor among thieves, nor pirates, and that’s a very good thing.

        • Anyone

          people will always share, it’s in our nature
          trying to legislate against that is a fool’s errand

          as you said, most revenue from the music industry comes from digital downloads
          you think we’d have those if it wasn’t for Napster? the music industry had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century and lost 30% of it’s revenue to Apple because of that.
          those industries want to stay in the 20th century with 19th century’s laws and try to erode all civil liberties defending the status quo

          piracy is not hurting anyone (as long as it is not for profit like bootleggers)
          we all only have so much to spend on entertainment per month, not every copy is a lost sale, simply because money is a limited good, but downloads are not.

          there has been art and culture before copyright, there will still be art and culture after we have removed copyright.

        • Anon

          “after we have removed copyright.”

          Keep telling yourself that. And while you are at it, might as well build a case why material goods should be free for all, too, after all it’s all property, merchandise, someones for-sale product. You’ll fail on both counts. Why? Because it is natural to have control over that which you create or license yourself and the format has no influence on that premise. New formats yet to be discovered or invented will be subject to creator/agent control, too. Read philosopher John Locke and learn something. Good God, pirates are so unlearned.

        • Anyone

          copyright is not a physical product, why do you keep comparing the two?

          17th century philosophy? really?
          I’d go a bit further in time to the 19th century and with John Stuart Mill and his Utilitarianism
          but to each their own, right? ;)

          in any case John Locke’s arguements about property and labour is for physical goods, not Imaginary Property, since of course that has not existed in his time

        • MadAsASnake

          @Anon
          You didn’t notice Chris Dodd threatening politicians that didn’t look after his interests? That he would withdraw “campaign contributions” if they didn’t? It was on on public TV… no, thought not

        • HeyNonAnon

          Our actions will speak even louder than that.

    • Anonymous

      You certainly don’t disappoint when it comes to general gormless blithering.

      Since you can easily disguise a file transfer as https, say fare-thee-well to amazon.com and any credit card service under your statement.

      Fact of the matter, even China isn’t stupid enough to ban encryption. Why do you think chinese dissidents keep operating unhindered online and the chinese online community consists of 62% estimated filesharers out of hundreds of millions, in the most draconian legislation on earth?

      So, again you prove only a double-digit IQ as your primary asset.

  • Kopimist

    If all else fails, I suggest the best solution is drop the internet as a medium for exchange of pirated warez and return to the slower, but more reliable and way harder to stop method of SNAIL MAIL! You know you can get 32GB memory sticks for very little now. Cost by parcel weight would be minimal. A price to pay, sure, but it works.

    Fuck the internet, get those Jiffy packs out again ;) I’m deadly serious, by the way.

    • Zig

      Sod that. Just start putting random music and movies on cheap DVDs and leaving them in public places with a note saying ‘copy me’.

      Police that you leeching fuckers!

  • Guest

    my spider sense see a boost in VPN sales from UK !!!

    • Tom

      Well until they crack down on that too.

      • Anonymous

        I was thinking beyond playing peer or seed the BT system should also add a router mode. In other words to not seed the data you have if there are already lots of seeds but to play router B in a A to B to C link.

        In other words when you turn your computer into a BT router then how can they punish you for forwarding on random unknown data? Every link in the Internet does exactly the same as well.

        Then subscribers can get infringement notices for media they did not download, did not seed and have never seen. Only part of the random data routed on across the BT network. This also helps to protect seeds and peers from notices when a router is a trusted source.

        • Sense

          Now they can sue everyone ! :)

        • BTEngineer

          BT HomeHub has the ‘BT Openzone’ feature, which means that if you have the login credentials for a BT subscriber you can log on anywhere there’s an Openzone WiFi hotspot (via another subscriber’s router).

          I already know the logon of several BT customers. Get to know some yourself and watch BT jump through hoops trying to track it’s own systems! The law will be unenforceable.

        • MadAsASnake

          Crossley tried that – got barred for two years, but only after causing a lot of innocent people embarrassment, pain and cost.

      • Anonymous

        I’d actually like to see that happening – cracking down on encrypted communication? Say fare-thee-well to every online service in existence.

        And as the “VPN” might be a swarm of a thousand people running clients adapted to onion routing, over https, or whatever other protocol which is deemed “legit” you couldn’t even differentiate between legitimate streaming and infringement.

        I almost hope they try. What the companies say once they discover they’ve in practice managed to outlaw netflix, iTunes and hulu while still allowing piracy to continue will be priceless.

    • Sense

      If i was BPI, i would by VPN company to make more cash from what i have caused…

      Its logical, even if they don’t see or record your trafic, still they making
      cash from laws.

      Its just my funny thought!

  • Duckeenie

    Good god is this website primarily frequented by ten year olds?

    I’m as disappointed as anyone by this ruling, I like getting stuff for free, but good god I don’t believe I have a god given right to it!

    I mean take the old : Pirating doesn’t effect sales, yep multi-million dollar CEOs have no clue what their doing, that’s why they blow millions on litigation and the apparent bungs to politicians to stop piracy.

    Problem is with fanboys is that they only approach things from one angle.

    All you 30 something’s (going on 10) need to grow up!

    • Anyone

      it’s not about getting free stuff, it’s about privacy rights and due process

      the MAFIAA erodes all those rights just so they don’t have to adapt.
      of course they don’t realize that in doing so they alienate a whole generation of customers.

      • Anon

        “it’s not about getting free stuff, it’s about privacy rights and due process”

        I call bullshit. If you think the launch and adoption of Napster by pirates was about privacy and due process instead of getting stuff for free then you are useless to this discussion.

        • Anyone

          Napster was about free flow of information
          as is TPB today

          itunes, netflix and steam show that it is easy to compete with free if you offer a good service
          “pirates” are willing to pay for what they think deserves payment, but if you continue to treat your fans like criminals you should not be surprised if they refuse to support you.

        • Anon

          “Napster was about free flow of information”

          Lie.
          Napster was about creating a technical means to make and distribute copies of other peoples property to which pirates had no inherent nor intrinsic right. And still have not that right, hence the court cases and their resolutions today. Want to build a case why other people’s property should be free to you? Try again.

        • Anyone

          other people’s property should not be free

          but my copy is mine to share, and I don’t want anyone to take away that right or to censor my internet

        • MadAsASnake

          Napster was about what was possible, nothing to do with due process or privacy. The DEA does NOT ONE THING to stop people getting things for free and is impossible to implement unless they repeal due process and privacy laws that are at the heart of the Rule of Law – ever hear of that? I’m fascinated about your total disregard of the collateral damage inherent in the DEA and why you think it justified. Please explain…

        • Anon

          “but my copy is mine to share”

          Correction. You wish that were true, you invest a great amount of effort in trying to will it to be true, you are in avoidance of the facts as you premise everything you believe on something that is simply and demonstrably untrue. And your actions based on this knowing falsehood compel these draconian laws.

          So I stand by my earlier assertion.
          Piracy is desperate for better informed, better educated spokespersons.

        • Anyone

          it was true until the MAFIAA perverted the law

          but I stand by it, I made the copy, I decide what to do with it, same as I did with my copied casettes and CDs a few decades ago

          again, why would you deny me that right?
          I used my ressources (electricity, hard disk space, bandwidth) to create a copy, why should I not be able to do with it whatever the hell I please?

        • MadAsASnake

          @ Anon
          Piracy is desperate for better informed, better educated spokespersons.
          Not as much as the copyright cartels…

        • Fredrika

          > “If you think the launch and adoption of Napster by pirates was about privacy and due process instead of getting stuff for free then you are useless to this discussion.”

          The price for manufacturing something with your own property, as people did with Napster, can never be anything else than free. The price is not up for discussion. Since there never existed a possibility for any other price than free, your arguments fail, and it’s in fact you who are useless to this discussion.

          > “Lie. Napster was about creating a technical means to make and distribute copies of other peoples property to which pirates had no inherent nor intrinsic right.”

          Actually, it’s you who lies right there. You seem to magically forget what constitutes property all the time, to be able to come up with your continuously falsified arguments and lies. As you have been informed of many times, an intellectual work does not constitute any kind of property. Property is something that is scarce in supply and that can be owned. An intellectual work does not meet those criteria. All property involved in filesharing is owned by the people filesharing. It’s their property. They do indeed have an inherent or intrinsic right to the property involved.

          > “Want to build a case why other people’s property should be free to you? Try again.”

          The only party arguing that others peoples property should be theirs are the people advocating pro-copyright monopoly, as yourself, since it is the copyright monopoly that intrudes into people’s property rights.

          Try again. Or don’t. Because you do nothing but spread lies.

      • applesrtasty

        Speak for yourself. I do it for the free stuff/lulz. :D

        • Anon

          Bingo. An “honest” man in pirateland! ^5.

        • Anyone

          fair enough, that is your right
          I love all people, I don’t judge ;)

        • Fredrika

          > “I do it for the free stuff..”

          There’s nothing weird with trying to save money by manufacturing something with your own property, instead of buying it. On the contrary, it both smart and the norm in a capitalistic society.

        • HeyNonAnon

          I do it to piss on the chips of Anon, because the troll’s a right cunt and hates rape victims.

    • Anonymous

      “I mean take the old : Pirating doesn’t effect sales, yep multi-million dollar CEOs have no clue what their doing, that’s why they blow millions on litigation and the apparent bungs to politicians to stop piracy.

      Problem is with fanboys is that they only approach things from one angle.”

      As backed up by a number of serious scientists making serious research which results in serious studies.

      Since your opinion apparently overrules the empirical evidence collected and analyzed by nonpartisan scientific bodies on behalf of several governments…feel free to overturn the hypothesis.

      But until you falsify it, the one who needs to stop arguing from the five year old’s perspective would actually be you yourself. Apparently in your book “growing up” means “ignore empirical evidence, we have dogma”.

      And of course multi-million dollar CEO’s will continue to support (by any and all means at their disposal) a business model which allows a continued 900% profit margin per CD sale. I can’t very well imagine some daring CEO standing before the board of directors with the idea of reducing the profit margins by 20% or more.

      Or rather, I can. He’s the guy looking through the yellow papers for a new job.

    • Fredrika

      > “I like getting stuff for free, but good god I don’t believe I have a god given right to it!”

      With “getting stuff for free” what you actually describe is the act of manufacture something with your own property, that you own, as people filesharing does, when they manufacture copies with their own property. Of course people feel they have a right to their own property.

      > “I mean take the old : Pirating doesn’t effect sales..”

      Whether or not it affects sales of the single individual business idea of manufacturing, distributing and selling copies to people is completely irrelevant from a copyright perspective. Copyright is not about guaranteeing that a certain business model should last forever, especially not after it has become useless, no longer adding any addition value to customers, that they can’t bring to the table themselves.

      > “..yep multi-million dollar CEOs have no clue what their doing, that’s why they blow millions on litigation and the apparent bungs to politicians to stop piracy.”

      You have to look at the bigger picture. Record companies, movie companies and so on knows nothing about fighting piracy. They have always outsourced that task to specialized units as the Riaa, Mpaa and so on. The people working at those companies, fighting piracy, is only guaranteed a job as long as the people paying the bill believes that piracy is a threat that needs to be fought. But they make their decisions to continue paying Riaa and Mpaa fighting piracy based on evidence manufactured by the very same party that has an interest in displaying piracy as something bad, i.e. the Riaa and Mpaa. It’s a classic case of trusting the wrong person, someone with an economical interest in a certain truth.

      And even if the CEO’s know what’s going on, what they are in fact trying to protect is a certain type of revenue stream, that from the single business model of manufacturing, distributing and selling copies, because that’s the only business they know. But if that business is buried by filesharing, there’s no scientific evidence supporting the thesis that that’s something bad for society, culture or creators. The fact that less of the revenues in the content industries, which currently are higher than ever before, comes from a certain business model, does not constitute a problem. It’s called evolution. Trying to stop evolution with a legislative monopoly is never something good for society.

  • tonyj

    Who owns the internet? Does not your taxes pay for the infrastructure? Corporations and organizations are invading your territory squatting on the land and setting up the rules, pushing you out like the Americans pushed off the Indians from the their territory.

    The internet belongs to you. You make up the damn rules.

    • Brainless

      LOL. Internets is owned by private business.

  • foff

    May be we should not be so lazy. Just rename torrents to some anonymous name and add some random junk file so hashes can’t be used then no monitoring would be possible. Better yet add an encryption feature to all bit torrent clients that encrypts the name and decrypts it on the receiving end. That is all we need no isp could possibly spend time decrypting encrypted data.

    • Suqdic

      Stupid. If YOU can find/download what you’re looking for then SO CAN THEY.

      Idiotic. At the receiving end will be the very companies logging you, no need for MITM monitoring at all.

      • foff

        No it is not we are talking about the isp not some company the mafiaa employs to spy on us. If you remove the ability of an isp to be a gateway and make it impossible for a judge to order any kind of censorship it will take them out of the loop.

      • Anonymous

        Hence the need for more p2p clients supporting onion routing. If you can’t tell who requested a file nor who, in the end downloaded it then their surveillance becomes completely useless.

  • ben241

    How will they enforce this? Am I likely to receive a letter having been torrenting since my early teens (now 23)?

    We have two separate broadband lines in our house, one (mine) is the only one that has torrented, the other is used for business and family use. If they threatened to shut off our internet, would it only be on the line that has torrented or will they shut down both lines in the house?

    • Anyone

      they can’t look into the past
      get a VPN and continue as normal, fly the pirate flag proudly!

      • Rollingtayownay

        All VPNs are routed through cia laptops, tin foil zion…bobby fischer, sex with a horse.

        • Anyone

          of course they are

  • Harlan

    The fascists won this round, but the war is not over.

  • DICE

    Emigrate in EAST , US will never put their steps in East , in Russia , East is really free now if you compare with US UE , Think about Mr Putin will never let these junks trolls to fuck with him , im shure he will fuck them all corporations hard

    What irony ex Soviets become offer more freedom now then US UE , seems they change the rols US UE become a fascist areas and soviets a land of freedom even Putin have their mathod to censor some things , he prosecute just rich bitches not ordinary poor people , looks like a Robin Hood , he dont make mistakes when size corporations domains , and jail riches (becouse nobody can becoming rich without make fraud ,crimes , tax evasion etc

    IF you have balls , trolls corporations and other US shits why dont fuck with Russia?

    You are afraid will get a big dick in your mouth ?

    Lol

    • Anyone

      it’s sad that you have to choose between political censorship and corporate censorship :(

      but you are right, by now it is better to do IT business in Russia than it is in the “West”

  • http://twitter.com/ergerhaykakan erger
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  • http://twitter.com/Salamolign Salamol

    Hahaha, we’ll see… with so many in the UK sharing (and the vast majority of 18-25s) this won’t move forward without a fight.

  • gg

    Watch how BT and Talk Talk kill the activity of any clients being used by their subscribers. They won’t do it next week – it probably started from the minute the appeal was lost. They are now in an awkward situation. They have to act as the courts and law instructs yet they know that they may lose customers if they act too abruptly. I imagine clients that are left to run 24 hrs a day will start to see torrent activity decline and both BT and Talk Talk will try to gradually force down the torrent traffic. Has any BT and Talk Talk sharers out there noticed any changes?

    • MadAsASnake

      Can’t see how they are going to do that… they have to monitor their users (DEA) while not monitoring it (EU) and block users (people) that they can’t identify (only IP – see Judge Birss). Oh and big content say this is easy. I’m suspect that we’ll be hearing squeals from them soon that we should reverse burden of proof because they can’t… well, not in my name…

  • http://twitter.com/Wasson_C Wasson_C

    Water will find its way but we all loose freedoms that we can’t get back as it flows. Thanks for nothing capitalism. Turning lawful people into criminals always results from this type of government action.

    • PelouzeTF

      Why would a “lawful” person give a shit about this law (and buying a few pieces of media a month whilst downloading 100′s of gigs does not mean you’re lawful”

      • Anyone

        the “you have nothing to worry if you have nothing to hide” argument is old and false

        this level of snooping and censorship is simply unacceptable and it has to be overturned.

        • PelouzeTF

          “old and false” because you just wanted to type that ?

        • Anyone

          so how about we send the police round your house to search it once a day
          you got nothing to hide, so I’m sure you have no possible reason to be against that

          or how about we just bug you and record everything you ever do, just because.
          you have nothing to hide, so I’m sure you are game with that.

          how about public webcams all over your house?
          you have nothing to hide, what possible objection could you have to that?

          how about a full body search every time you walk 10m?
          you have nothing to hide, I’m sure that minor inconvenience is OK with you.

        • Anonymous

          @PelouzeTF

          “”old and false” because you just wanted to type that ?”

          “Old and false” because the argument that behaviour A, B or C somehow justifies blanket surveillance of the citizenry’s communications has been internationally condemned at all levels. From the UN human rights charter to the EU charter.

          For good and valid reason. Now if you think Iran, Syria, China are on the right track, just say so.

      • MadAsASnake

        You seem to assume a lot about peoples behaviour – the omplete disregard for collateral damage is the scariest thing about the DEA and the idots demanding it

  • noko

    Dear industries,

    To paraphrase a great man (Homer Simpson)…

    “You’ve just lost yourself a customer!”

  • stopping by

    Awesome news for anyone who loves music.

    • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

      Lol. Right.

    • MadAsASnake

      How? Please explain…

    • stopping by

      MadAsASnake,

      I’m pretty sure I already answered a similar question elsewhere on this site.

      But let’s say it costs $150K to produce a hit record.

      That’s on the cheap side, we’re not talking Eminem/Ke$ha/Madonna/Perry here; not the work of the good doctors Luke or Dre, but it can be done.

      Now, if online theft had been allowed to go on like lots of guys predicted just a few years ago, *nobody* today would even dream of investing that kind of money in music.

      Don’t believe me. Just ask yourself this question:

      If you personally had saved $150K over the last ten years, would you then prefer to invest them in:

      a) a place to live, or
      b) a smaill business so you could support yourself and your family, or
      c) a decent amount of coke you could sell :) or
      d) a recording that everybody could — and would — steal ten minutes after its release?

      Here’s the truth:

      Only a moron would pick d). And I’ve yet to meet a moron with $150K to spare.

      So yes, this is awesome news for anyone who loves music. It guarantees that professional songwriters, composers, lyricists, musicians, singers, mixing- and mastering engineers etc. will be able to sweat 24/7 to give us the music we all love, today and, hopefully, in the future.

      Had things turned out differently, there would only be one hope left for future music lovers: That they — for the first time in history — would want the same music as their grand parents.

      Cause that’s all they would ever get.

      • Anyone

        it doesn’t take $150k to produce a hit record
        it takes $150k to make an average song a hit record, I grant you that, all that marketing is gonna cost you, but that doesn’t make the song any better

        again, you are confusing copying with stealing, after all the corrections you should know by now that they are not the same
        if the MAFIAA had their way Justin Bieber would be in jail because he started his career singing songs he did not write himself, or stealing as you would say

        there has been art and culture before copyright, there will still be art and culture after copyright
        right now we live in such creative times despite copyright, not because of it, the free flow of information that the internet has given us has started a golden era for mankind, something the MAFIAA is working hard to stop. but they can’t put the genie back in the bottle, they as middlemen have become obsolete.

        • stopping by

          Anyone,
          Like I said: Yes, you can produce a hit song for $150k, but it’s on the cheap side.

          Want the good stuff?

          Book Dr. Luke! Start with six figures. Paid up front. That’s for writing the thing.

          Then add studio, musicians, star(s), techs, mix/mastering engineers — and we’re so past your $150K that it’ll make your head spin…

          Again: If people were allowed to get away with stealing music, nobody would invest that sort of cash in music ever again.

          Perhaps you prefer your local bedroom artist. More power to you. But most people don’t.

        • Anyone

          when the music industry dies its well-deserved death there will still be music, and it will not be any worse than it is today

          there was music even before the music industry? but how is that possible? you just told me we need those parasites to get any music.

          there are quite a few examples today of bands or artists that produced great music with a very limited budget, “OK go” should be the most prominent example

          again, you need neither the music industry nor $150k to produce great music, just talent

        • Anon

          “Anyone’s” strategy is to know nothing, understand nothing, learn absolutely nothing (la-la-la-la-la)and insist that because music existed before artistic industries were formed he’s entitled to copying (ie stealing) other people’s products and their merchandise to sell in the digital marketplace for himself and to distribute free copies to anyone he chooses.

          You can’t discuss intelligently with willfully stupid.

          “Anyone” is just the kind of person who deserves the industry so far up his ass he panic’s, loses his freedom, his sanity and eventually, can’t even breathe free. With any luck, he’ll keep infringing and his ISP will hand him over. Personally, I can’t wait until onion routing and VPN’s are licensed. Think that’s crazy? You have no idea. :-)

          Keep infringing and WATCH.

        • Fredrika

          > “..and insist that because music existed before artistic industries were formed he’s entitled to copying (ie stealing)..”

          As has been explained to you several times before, the act of manufacturing something with your own property, can never be stealing. Obviously people feel entitled to their own property that they own, this is the norm in all non-communist societies.

          > “..other people’s products and their merchandise to sell in the digital marketplace for himself..”

          You seem confused. The product is the item or service that you sell. The product that the consumer buy is the copy or the service of transference of information. But the items involved in filesharing are not the items that you claim in the above statement. The items involved in filesharing is property owned by the people filesharing. So it’s not other peoples products and their merchandise”, that people filesharing copy. This has also been explained to you before.

          > “..and to distribute free copies to anyone he chooses.”

          Obviously people do as they wish with their property. Do you have a problem with the concept of property,? Do you advocate communism where ownership of property is forbidden?

          > “You can’t discuss intelligently with willfully stupid.”

          Based on the fact that every claim you put forward is incorrect or a knowingly a lie, would that be you?

          > “”Anyone” is just the kind of person who deserves the industry so far up his ass he panic’s, loses his freedom, his sanity and eventually, can’t even breathe free. With any luck, he’ll keep infringing and his ISP will hand him over. Personally, I can’t wait until onion routing and VPN’s are licensed. Think that’s crazy? You have no idea. :-)”

          Again you clarify that you applaud fascism and that absolutely nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of companies profit. Peoples property should be intruded into by legislative monopolies, and society’s civil liberties, the concept of private communication and the human rights must be dismantled to uphold those monopolies, no price is to high to pay for that.

          Then there’s the problem that it’s technically impossible to stop encrypted F2F filesharing. So the battle is already lost. Has no one told you this fact?

        • Anyone

          I think artists should be supported and compensated for their work.
          but the distribution model of the MAFIAA is obsolete today, and instead of working on improving their service (itunes and netflix are steps in the right direction) they try to bully people into buying their plastic discs

          “piracy” can be stopped, but not by tougher legislation but by offering a better service
          for a funny analogy look at this blogpost: http://www.marco.org/2012/02/25/right-vs-pragmatic
          it deals with a similar situation that the MAFIAA is currently in, it describes how trying to change human behaviour with silly laws and rules doesn’t work, only providing a better service works.

          also, the technological war against piracy cannot be won, there will always be new ways to protect oneself by the time the MAFIAA comes around bribing legislation to outlaw the old way (and trampling some more human rights on the way)
          and if the current backlash is any indication they might actually be stopped before that happens.

        • Anonymous

          Really? It cost Rebecca Black 2000$ to record and market “Friday”.

          Now if a truly horrid song can get that impact – and sell hundreds of thousands of copies on iTunes, despite being both horrible and freely available, then that more or less sinks your entire argument.

          You are arguing from a false premise therefore.

          Once you fix that false assumption, welcome back and argue your case again. However, be advised arguments which go counter to empirical evidence and scientific analysis are likely to get rejected outright by this community – and most others holding common sense in high regard.

          You fo NOT need hardly any money at all in order to market and produce a song. To produce it, never. To market it, not anymore. What you need is genius, an internet connection and an audience.

        • Anonymous

          @stopping by

          “Anyone,
          Like I said: Yes, you can produce a hit song for $150k, but it’s on the cheap side.

          Want the good stuff?

          Book Dr. Luke! Start with six figures. Paid up front. That’s for writing the thing.

          Then add studio, musicians, star(s), techs, mix/mastering engineers — and we’re so past your $150K that it’ll make your head spin…”

          Really? I just looked at my old ABBA and Queen albums. They name one writer, max two, both from the band itself. Beatles? Most songs written by the band members. Production? VERY limited cast there.

          Then I look at Justin Bieber where he repeats the same three lines in a whiny tone accompanied to repetitive plinkering generated by a whopping total of three chords and find a writer’s cast of six people(!)

          Tell you what, if continued filesharing means we see the plethora of six-week wonders vanishing completely in favor of a few geniuses like Freddie Mercury then I’m saying you just made a damn good argument as to why filesharing should be a civic duty.

      • Zig

        It takes sod all to produce a hit record. Anyone with a laptop and shareware can do it. Millions upon millions of musicians do this each and every day.

        Wake up man, this is 2012, not 1972!

      • MadAsASnake

        1.) What other people spend their money on is entirely their business
        2.) Personally, I’d pick a.), (not enough BTW) but that is just me.
        3.) So all artists are morons?
        … and you didn’t answer the question – DEA doesn’t change this equation so how is it good news for music lovers?

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  • SK

    I don’t understand :(

    Do the copyright holders have you report you to your ISP or does your ISP monitor what you’re doing?

    i.e will PeerBlock protect me at all from this?

    • Anyone

      PeerBlock has never protected from anything

      get a VPN

    • analdischarge

      They’ll report you to the ISP if they monitor your activity.

      Peerblock: It might, that all depends on how they go about gathering addresses, and whether the filter list covers it.

    • MadAsASnake

      No – copyright holders tell the ISP’s what to monitor (and they have a habit of getting that wrong, and can’t even identify most of it), ISP’s monitor (and can’t monitor many variations anyway, and current methods throw more “false positives” than anything else), and once you hit “three strikes” they can give it back to the rights holders who can sue – but you have a perfect defense already, as IP person. The pain comes if they actually start throttling or cutting people off – which is pretty nasty as its on what amounts to completly unsubstantiated hearsay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/orphicdragon Trisha Lynn Dragon

    Welp, congrats media industry. I have been debating ending any and all purchasing of media for a while now. Since my brothers and sisters and I are lowly thieves who pay for nothing…guess that nearly $100 a month I spend on media won’t be missed.

    You keep your blow job buddies though. The citizens that drop down and open wide because they will JUST FUCKING DIE if Rihanna can’t shit out another pile of “entertainment” . You know them right? They suck your cock, troll your talking points for you and spend what $10-20 on media every couple of months??

    You want a world full of unapologetic pirates who copy at will and feel no remorse or desire to support the artist? You got it. :)

    VPN, cyberlockers and artist who understand the value of the fan will be getting my cash. No more iTunes cards as gifts, no more Amazon gift cards or netflix memberships. Not a dime will you assholes be getting.

    No, by the way, I don’t give a shit about the artists. The good ones won’t be affected in any real negative way. The rest were garbage going to get tossed when Hollywood was done raping them anyway.

    I’ll spend money on media again when over half of the industry is standing in the line at the homeless shelter praying like fuck the soup doesn’t run out before they get to the front of the line.

    • Syeruy

      “No more iTunes cards as gifts, no more Amazon gift cards or netflix memberships.”

      What, so you mean up until now you’ve been buying this shit?

  • Che

    Execute those lords. Execute those mafia members. That will be all.

    Remember “V” the Movie? Well, its time to act to protect our human rights and freedoms.

    Bodies must start dropping like flies on the streets of London. Bodies of infamous international criminals

    • Keyboard Warrior

      Lead the way…

      …thought not.

  • Anonymous

    Was just about to tip TF about this story on BBC.

    Well done UK lobbyists…well done. You fuckin morons. Remember the casette? Remember Napster? You were all wrong you dinosaurs.

  • Rekrul

    The ISPs are going about this all wrong. They’re the ones with the power. If they really wanted to fight this law, what they should do is get together with each other, get as many service providers as possible onboard and then they should all shut down until the law is repealed. Whenever anyone tries to go on the net, all they’ll get is a page asking them to contact the government and tell them to repeal the Digital Economy Act.

    How long do you think this law would stay in effect if millions of people suddenly lost their internet access and went screaming to their government? Businesses, banks, etc. There would be riots in the streets and those in charge would be falling all over themselves to fix the problem.

    Yes, they’d lose some customers in the short term, but if enough of them participated, most people wouldn’t have the option of switching because there would be no alternative.

    What’s the government going to do? I doubt it would be legal for them to order a private business to turn their service back on.

    • Anyone

      or just mysteriously slow down all traffic from MAFIAA servers
      in theory the ISP are the one’s with leverage, but the MAFIAA has bribed the right people to have silly laws like this passed.

    • MadAsASnake

      There are some serious conflicts of interest in htis area for ISP’s. Many (like SKY and Virgin) are content owners and providers as well.

  • bumbumbum

    I thought the Lib Dems were going to repeal this shit?

    Ah well, we’ll just tuck it under the rug along with tuition fees and Clegg’s future.

    • Anyone

      they’d need a spine for that

    • MadAsASnake

      Forget about the Lib Dems. Being in power has never been a serious option for them.

  • milky way

    The judges Lady Justice Arden, Lord Justice Richards and Lord Justice Patten can suck on my nuts.

  • DoobyDoo

    Astraweb SSL, I LOVE YOU!

  • White Witch

    BT have been giving out your details to lawyers for years – it is why anonymous hit them. So for them to appeal against this act was a publicity stunt, while Talk Talk don’t offer enough internet usage or bandwidth to download anything meaningful even it is legit. The only internet provider that refuses lawyer requests for your information is Virgin. Anyone downloading using Sky’s internet service wants locking up for pure stupidity. Anything Murdoch owns shares in is an automatic no go area.
    Both the LibDems and the Tories both said they would repeal this act, so why havn’t they? Why are they planing on extraditing someone who has broken no law in Europe to the US to face copyright infringement charges in a country where such a law exists? Since when did US law apply to the internet? And why is US law being applied to the UK? What happened to UK sovereignty? No point in having a parliament anymore, you can already see the strings attached to this puppet government.
    The digital economy act was an illegal piece of legislation to begin with… it was made and introduced to the Houses by a peer… someone who is unelectable and not accountable to the electorate. It was also introduced without proper consultation and question marks hang over whether everything was properly declared (such as parties with celebs). And the UK calls itself a democracy… cough cough.

    • MadAsASnake

      I think that after the Crossley abuses, Talk Talk and BT sharpened up their acts. I seem to remember the Tories saying it would get proper review. As it is, DEA is incompatible with UK copyright law – it’s pointless. Ofcom has been asked to implement this – it’s already clear that they haven’t a clue how to… I suspect that the content owners will be sorely dissappointed by the stillborn that results from this.

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  • HollywoodAnna

    Why don’t we go the whole hog and make it the law to purchase at least one CD that will benefit the BPI per week, like when it was made law to force everyone to own a flat cap to help the ailing wool industry? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_cap

  • Anonymous

    Not even in 1972 was massive funding a requirement to write and produce music. Take a quick look at the back cover of your golden oldies – ABBA, Beatles, AC/DC, Queen, etc. Notice how many names are involved in writing and production?

    Now do the same to the label of any of the mass-produced garbage in the form of six-week wonders with whiny voices, repetitive lyrics and three chords or less in their ensemble. You’ll have to scroll quite a bit before you hit the bottom.

    In 1972 you needed to be a genius in order to make it as an artist. Today the “artist” needs to have a bit more backup since they can’t sing, can’t write music, can’t play an instrument and can’t dance. You could replace most of them with blowup dolls or muppets and no one could tell the difference.

    Today even Rebecca Black can put out a music video on Youtube for 2k and sells hundreds of thousands of copies of that same free-for-all video on iTunes, netting herself a 900% profit.

    What stopping by tries to have us all think is that professional artists can’t do the same.

  • Anonymous

    i suppose the important questions now are:-

    1) will there be an appeal of this verdict?
    2) if so, when will the appeal be filed?
    3) if this fails, will it go to the EUCJ and the EUCHR?
    4) which ISP will be the first to send out warnings to customers?
    5) what definitive evidence will be used in the accusation letters?
    6) how long before the ISPs start moaning because they are losing customers, making the investment in super fast fiber optic broadband a waste of resources and time?
    7) how long before other businesses start moaning because the government is propping up the entertainment industries at the detriment of countless other industries?

  • Anon

    Change ISP. The UK has many small ones. They are not seen as significant so I can still access all the sites BT has blocked without a VPN. To go after all ISP is a huge job so they will only monitor the big ones. Still I have recently got a VPN anyway so screw you Nazis!

  • Neflyte49

    Thats funny, in the ancient times the artists like troubadours, minstrels and harlequins beg for being payed with their masters, now they want to be the masters of UK, USA and the Internets.

    Please people of UK, USA and Europe dont be the new slaves of the clowns, minstrels and troubadours.

  • AVG_JOE

    ALTHOUGH CANADA DOESN’T HAVE A LAW YET BUT WILL IN THE VERY VERY NEAR FUTURE WHICH WILL BE LIKE SOPA/PIPA, WE’RE NEXT TO HAVE OUR FREEDOM TAKEN AWAY.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Bill-C-11-Fight-Harpers-proposed-Copyright-Act-Defend-Your-Data/238789716190627?ref=ts

  • Ask0lsvs

    So what can we do about this law ??

    And could Torrenfreak do an article with recomendations on how to bypass or what options we still have?

    This really sucks.

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  • STS

    i think we should all help with the enquiries of the governing body that makes the claim for the copyright infringement. – (this is not as innocent as it sounds!) keep reading!.

    on such a day that this event happens that someone gets fined the article is posted here and then on a set date we all go down to the local police station all at the same time with a print out of a google search result for a torrent. place it into the envelope and then title and address it to the governing body with the case reference number on the printout.

    as it would therefore be considered “Evidence” in an ongoing investigation all this mail would have to be sent to the office that is dealing with the case. they get swamped with mail. and with luck it will be a freepost so that it will end up costing the MPAA more in the price of mail they receive than they would be able to recover from the fine and the cost of the court process.

    it would also mean that we would bring highstreets the police stations and other affected services all to a complete standstill and if we continue to do this then it may help them reconsider the bill that has been passed.

    we are not causing trouble merely providing them with legitimate evidence to help them with their enquiries.

    Any thoughts anyone!

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