UK’s Terrifying Anti-Piracy Plans Leak
Written by Ernesto on November 19, 2009Tomorrow morning Lord Mandelson will present the Digital Economy Bill to the public, which among other things is aimed at reducing illicit file-sharing. According to parts of the bill that leaked today, the legislation could lead to jail terms for file-sharers and unprecedented power for the entertainment industries.
Over the past months the UK government has tried to tackle the issue of online piracy. This has resulted in a proposal from Lord Mandelson, who plans to disconnect alleged file sharers without any judicial process.
Tomorrow the exact text of the bill is expected to be made public, but according to early reports, the legislation will open all doors for a digital police state where alleged pirates will be crucified by private companies.
Judging from some of the plans that leaked earlier today, the endless lobbying efforts of the entertainment industry by anti-piracy outfits including IFPI and the BPI have definitely paid off.
Cory Doctorow has the scoop on BoingBoing and he told TorrentFreak that the information comes from someone “very close to the Labour government” who he trusts implicitly.
If accurate, the new legislation will be a disaster for the privacy of all Internet users while giving unprecedented powers to the entertainment industry. Under the new bill the Secretary of State would be able to pass secondary legislation without Parliamentary oversight in order to protect rights holders.
Three reasons are given:
1. The Secretary of State would get the power to create new remedies for online infringements. (for example, he could authorize jail terms for file-sharing, or create a “three-strikes” plan that costs entire families their Internet access if any member stands accused of infringement)
2. The Secretary of State would get the power to create procedures to “confer rights” for the purposes of protecting rightsholders from online infringement. (for example, record labels and movie studios can be given investigative and enforcement powers that allow them to compel ISPs, libraries, companies and schools to turn over personal information about Internet users, and to order those companies to disconnect users, remove websites, block URLs, etc)
3. The Secretary of State would get the power to “impose such duties, powers or functions on any person as may be specified in connection with facilitating online infringement” (for example, ISPs could be forced to spy on their users, or to have copyright lawyers examine every piece of user-generated content before it goes live; also, copyright “militias” can be formed with the power to police copyright on the web)
The leaked information mainly shows that the Secretary of State will have the power to introduce all kinds of draconian measures without Parliamentary oversight. More details on concrete policy dealing with alleged file-sharers and the proposed three-strikes system have yet to be announced.
Previously: AFACT v iiNet: Tiny Bits of BitTorrent Transfers Aren’t Illegal
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359 Responses
Right, I am leaving for Sweden! anyone got any apartments to rent with high speed internet?
Wow, sometimes you just feel ashamed to be British :(
2 things – sucks for those what 7 million UK citizens mentioned from a couple of months ago.
And as much crap as we deal with here in the States – I’m glad I don’t live in the UK – if this goes live.
so do we get to vote on this shit or is he just presenting it to us?
Bastards won’t get me without a fight. I am taking steps to ensure that myself and everyone I know is safe from this, starting with encrypted connections and hard drives.
This is the start, we are being forced underground. If they want to play it that way, bring it on. They are only going to make it harder for themselves.
woah!!….i feel glad i don’t live in UK!!
@Sendaii #5 -
Um – did you ever file-share anything before Torrents hit the mainstream? Because if you did then you’d know that most file-sharing was and is an ‘underground’ phenomenon.
Oh gosh! You have to hide your illeagl actions – poor fellow.
What’s stupid that he’s sneaking it through as ’secondary legislation’ but with all those power’s being added. It should be debated, after which Mandelson should resign for being so utterly stupid.
human rights, freedom of speech? thought we lived in a democracy…
it sucks to be british at the moment :(
Wait, so now they can just check whatever I’m doing on my computer IN CASE I pirate? This is bullshit.
This is an example of how governments are out of touch with the people. There is a corporate buffer between the common man and the legislators. I truly hope this gets thrown out, for if it doesn’t, they will only get bolder and try it in other places.
Fail. :)
I can’t believe how a few people can control the earth. Why don’t people start a fight or w/e?
@Rob,
If you’re looking at Stockholm high speed 100mbps is common… finding an apartment,not so easy ;)
This “law” doesn’t matter. Simple fact guys, they wont start locking up 75% of their population along with 99.9% of children ages 13-19.
Main reason is the courts could never handle it.
This will just end up being another failed attempt to stop piracy that wont even slow down its growth. Thankfully, nothing can stop file-sharing.
Government for the people…….my ar.se
I don’t know how anybody with an ounce of common sense could allow this sh.it…….without personal gain?!
Mandy couldn’t give a flying fuk about this issue until his “innocent” lil holiday provided by “H0llyW00d”
Must have been some holiday!….but that wouldn’t have had anything to do with his sudden change of heart would it……no……surely not…..not our trustworthy politicians!!!……aye right.
Pirate Party UK FTW!!!
Wow, UK government indeed pathetic.
Would this boost UK’s Pirate Party’s popularity?
This isn’t even the government doing it; there’s an EDM signed by 57 MPs including 32 members of the Labour Party opposing this. This is Lord Mandelson – unelected, riddled with scandals and ignoring everyone barring a few content industry representatives (and not even all of them). The Queen’s Speech didn’t mention disconnection, nor did the original summary at commonsleader.gov.uk, but it has mysteriously creeped in since then.
Perhaps the Pirate Party needs a Corrupt-politician-finder-general? Although the problem doesn’t seem to be finding them.
Heh – only in the UK can some jumped up un-elected twot make the laws up as they go along. Don’t worry this lot will be booted out long before any of this becomes law and the new party will have plenty of more pressing matters to deal with.
I just wonder, how many people will be leaving UK if that EVER goes out… Would be fun to see tho.
seems to me that all invasion of privacy rights are to go, along with being ‘innocent until proven guilty’ as well. coupled with the introduction of a police state and things should do the UK government proud when it comes to election time. just hope that when their is a change of government, these rules (if they come in) will immediately be quoshed under human rights grounds, if nothing else. as for mandelson, if this isn’t proof of what happened whilst on holiday in Greece, i don’t know what is. how do you know when this pr**k is lying? look to see if his lips are moving!!
Wow, um didn’t Hitler try the physical form of this? Or Napolean? I mean literally this is the type of crap that you see in movies where one guy tries to take power like this with no restriction and then ends up turning on the government. I mean what is stopping him from turning around and imprisoning the royals or parliament for alleged file sharing that hasn’t been proven?
won’t this be put in parliament!! if my u.k pol sci is correct it’s can’t b law till passed by house of commons!
@7: What I should have said is that torrents are being forced underground.
Britain is a lost cause – how the mighty have fallen!
Sometimes I feel happy that I live in a small, not exactly wealthy country on the edge of Europe, without any crazy unreasonable anti-filesharing actions.
Lord Mandelson, eh? Damn his breeches.
And there was me thinking only america had the fun with the mafiaa. Looks like we have it worse now.
fuck this!
cmon everyone stand against this shit…
what happened to freedom!
The simplest reason is that people need to start paying for what they own again. Can you blame them? Pirates have thrive on people’s trust and sympathy. We tried to give them their privacy and how did they thank us? By creating dozens of torrent sites with which to circumvent payment. An economy in which half (or even a quarters of people) steal things off the internet is simply not viable one. Nor does it endear itself to Britain’s artists, movie industry, etc. Anyone who creates or wants to create content faces a huge threat from piracy, and that’s why something must be done about it.
Rest assured you have nothing to fear if you pay for your things. They are only concerned with catching people who commit infringements and those who promote it.
I doubt this law would exist if it weren’t for how out of control piracy has become. How many torrent sites are there? Dozens im guessing. How many people use bittorrent and other services to acquire content without contributing to it’s creators? Studies have shown that close to half of the data transferred on the internet is piracy. Anyone who thinks that content just falls out of the sky for them should remember this law next time they think that there is no harm in not paying for things.
Forgive me for quoting a fictional wizard, but all I will say to this is:
“YOU SHALL NOT PASS”
Those read horribly similar to powers given to Hitler after Reihstag fire. Specially 1st one. Just saying.
get a VPN-account
problem solved
If it gets passed in the UK, you can pretty much guarentee that it will spread to other countries not long after.
I realize I hadn’t read all the comments but…
@14
1)They don’t need to involve the courts in order to send people to jail. (no right to a fair trial)
2)They can be given the power to monitor your internet activities..even if your not a pirate…at any time…without a court order. (an invasion of privacy)
3)They can force ISPs to send anything that is uploaded to a copyright review law firm before it actually goes onto the internet. (no freedom of speech)
now theyre really pouring the vaseline on the slope…
This is why free Internet needs lobbyists… Of course, the entertainment industry has more money and more to potentially lose so they pour money into lobbying.
You poor blokes over the pond are going to get screwed if this passes. You will end up like China where the government oversees all. It will also set a dangerous precedent for other countries…
The Digital Economy Bill needs to be protested loudly. This is an extreme breach of privacy by the government.
HAHAHA Like this is going to work, they have tried so many things in so many countries and nothing has worked.
Reduce copyright protection to 3 years max on all music,movies,tv and maybe then people will respect it. But then again with laws like this people will just laugh at the music industry and hopefully stop going to the cinema and stop buying music, use vpn and other ways to hide what they do online.That is if they can force the ISP’s to spy which i believe is illegal in the EU.
Now british feels as shit as their brothers from France !
Don’t lay back guys and Fight against this !
If Crypting all our communications, then let’s do it, thos people have no clus about what privacy and rights are !
Thos shareholders that said you are stealing music, are the same that thnk they can sell you en mp3 in basic audio quality by making you pay the same price as a full qality CD track with jacket and manufaturer coast ?
Who is loosing money ? Artist on stage, movies in cinema and free culture acces for everyone.
Internet rules the world, together we can fight !
@2 We Americans are used to that feeling…
this is a fucking outrage…
no matter what side of the file sharing argument your on, this is seriously bad for everyone, dear god to give those globalists that kind of power is sheer madness
mandleson (an unelected DPM by the way) needs to be removed from the Gov NOW, Gordon you twat are you even TRYING to win the next election
United States: Brits jump!!!
United Kingdom: How high, please?
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This is pathetic.
Typical UK to be easy and unorganised for a long time — then beat France and Germany by being quite as draconian.
All while our friends in Eastern Europe are laughing their heads off at this silly cat-and-mouse game.
Of course it’s much more “serious” if a Western European person shares…
Hollywood & co don’t care unless you’re likely to be able to cough up some blackmail fine that they set at random..
This is bollocks! Shouldn’t they be going after murderers and kidnappers or even commercial pirates! FAIL
About this anti-piracy plans… fudge that. Pirates have been around for ages and will not go away.
@29″Studies have shown that close to half of the data transferred on the internet is piracy.”
Well shouldn’t it be legal then if the internet is being used efficiently? It would be great for content to be abundant rather than limited. If content was limited, I would probably never have any tv or video or audio. I have been pirating since a kid on Kazaa Lite K++. I remember how the mafia corrupted that program and sued all these people. I said at that point that I will not support criminal organizations such as them. Did they ever get in trouble for corrupting Kazaa? I don’t remember anything if they did. Anywho, I will encourage everyone I know now and in the future to pirate everything they have such as music and audio and whatever else they would like and to stop supporting the cartel. I would any day rather have pirate goods that actually work rather than crap that doesn’t on my pc. I would also rather have stuff that won’t take over my pc rather than the rootkits the mafiaa puts out.
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=44092&start=6850
on the bottonm posts there have been 30,000 more ips, that acs law have gained NPO’s for, watch out
this reminds me of a movie… The boat that rocked.
uk can eat a shit sandwhich
Wen Guy Fawkes wanted to blow up the Houses of Parliament – he was onto something there.
I think it’s time to restart his plan.
He just wants to be F*****.
Oh my God. They are going to take steps to enforce the law.
How unfair.
Next up?
Encryption and VPN licensing with eyewatering punishment for unauthorized use.
Don’t believe me?
Stay tuned.
It’s fun trading privacy and freedom for music and games.
Isn’t it?
Reasoned mind: you did see the MASSIVE INVASION OF PRIVACY for ALL INTERNET USERS in there right?
Do you seriously think these corporations aren’t going to misuse these granted powers to not only “defend their rights” but also “defend their profits” by any means possible?
#48 You’re retarded. They are CHANGING THE LAW. Yep… truly fair!
The best part is that the majority of citizens online do NOT pirate goods, so this won’t affect the majority and they will accept it without protest.
Good.
Uh oh. Might have to pay for digital merchandise or do without?
Cry me a river.
Luckily the House of Commons wont let this fly. Its kind of worrying that non democratically elected officials keep bailing us out of this crap
Is there a site were I can learn how to be “invisible” for those…
Maybe it is time to boycott a few movies? Could some one start a site were all the protesters can organize?
Reclaim your freedom.
It’s not nice to say “You can’t stop us.”
I’m not too worried about this, there are only have around 70 days left in the current parliamentary session and a lot more important legislation to get though (as well as a reform bill if the backbenchers press hard enough).
Without Mandy in the commons to try and push this though and with the Government looking at a massive electoral defeat I can’t see Labour trying to make many of their supporters criminals.
This sounds way too extreme to be true. In other hand media industry has been throwing so much money into getting rid of filesharing and gaining back the control that was lost due internet so nothing is impossible.
One thing is certain: if people have been expressing their anger in the web so far then this will bring it to the streets. Scary thought but in some way it would be fun to watch how government manages to screw himself in the whole new level.
Also i expect the priateparty soon to have a loads of new votes thanks to this.
I suspect Reasoned Mind is in China…the place where all his dreams are true and the users can only see what the government says or they face a death penalty…
So if you live in the UK and hate your neighbours — Use their connection to sit on the latest torrents that are the most likely to be under scrutiny…
Then try and “tip” the local “Mafiaa” organisation of their infringement and watch in glee as they are fined and lose their internet connection.
Fudge this shizzle. Im moving to sweden.
anybody with LORD in their name should get the fuck out of politics.
who is this guy???
where did he come from?
what was his last job??
someone dig up some dirt.
a man wasted his life to kill john lennon.
spare some time for LORD mandelson.
if/ when this affects me ill go on a murder spree until im gunned down.
Reasoned Mind, can I see videos of your mom wiping your ass after you take a shit in the house?
I mean you didn’t break the law, so you’ve got nothing to hide, right?
Please upload them on rapidshare and post the link here so we can all see it.
I’m waiting :)
Mandy is a dirty sh1t-stabber.
I hope he dies – soon…
@60
No, no, Reasoned Mind is in the “LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE”. He is paid in dollar by the Hollywood lobby organisations and he sorely misses “Dubya” as the president….
He is part of the PAST.. We are the FUTURE.
Seriously guys, local councils already abuse their anti-terrorism powers constantly to spy on people and make sure they live in the school catchment zones. It’s on the news at least once a week. So what do you think is going to happen when we say they can see all our data and decide of we have access to the internet or not?
This is a joke. I’d like to say I will vote for the Pirate Party, but they are a joke here as well.
you were all gonna end up up in jail one way or the other, you yellow-teethed gutless w@nkers. might as well go now, get used to the place.
@Reasoned Mind… Since you are so anti-piracy, please tell me why after 30 years of widespread online copyright infringement are the media industries still thriving?
Stop dissing China. That’s where half the stuff you download was originally ripped.
It’s not as bad as you seem to think – there is plenty of freedom there – just not freedom to stand on the town square and shout offence at the government. But the people are too busy making money, pirating stuff etc to have time for that anyway…
The Chinese are our friends — don’t diss them.
“After several years, prohibition became a failure in North America and elsewhere, as smuggling and bootlegging (rum-running) became widespread and organized crime took control of the distribution of alcohol. Distilleries and breweries in Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean flourished as their products were either consumed by visiting Americans or illegally imported to the U.S. Chicago became notorious as a haven for prohibition dodgers during the time known as the Roaring Twenties.”
–Wikipedia
And this was booze– a physical product.
These anti-piracy plans not only strike me as idiotic for the above reason, but for my wondering about who exactly is paying for their salaries drawn for such efforts, and whether that would, itself, be a form of piracy, of political masturbation.
@67
Sounds like someone’s jealous that they were born American. The rest of the world hates you for a reason. You just proved it.
This is fucking disgusting, they could jail you without proper evidence? that’s hilarious.
Well fuck me, they got my IP and what it says? it says my IP uploaded 350kb of some file, now that’s proper evidence, I’m telling you.
Funny thing is, those bitches won’t ever change, they like what they do and they certainly know it’s above any law. I guess they just like that power over civilians and I bet they’re connected with higher authorities that could benefit from such Internet policing
It’s time to protect ourselves from those MAFFIA bitches *reloads his shotgun*
“We all got something to hide…
Reasoned Mind, can I see videos of your mom wiping your ass after you take a shit in the house?
I mean you didn’t break the law, so you’ve got nothing to hide, right?
Please upload them on rapidshare and post the link here so we can all see it.
I’m waiting :)”
You know I think I saw that movie somewhere.
Yep, here it is:
http://www.rathergood.com/demon
Reasond Mind wrote:
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“Next up? Encryption and VPN licensing with eyewatering punishment for unauthorized use. ”
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This is the biggest threat to online freedom. Big corporations and various government agencies would LOVE that.
You’d be like a little fly in their net.. everything you do online under scrutiny and no way around it.
Gov’t know all about your interests and social networking… Corporations know what your spending power and interests are so that you can get “personlised offer”.
The most disgusting future imagineable.
Vote GREEN or PIRATE!
Reasoned Mind doesn’t take reason for an answer. Oh the irony. ;)
The USSR had NO COPYRIGHT.
Books where 10 cents or so and a visit to the cinema practically free.
Still today, the films made in the USSR (some are very good) can be downloaded without breaking the laws of any country.
Makes you think huh?
25,000 bt ip addresses and 5,000 of other isps, beware people these ambulance chasers are in it for the big-time.
its time to rebel against law firms asking for stupid amounts of money, for something that they cant prove.
screw ACS Law/DigiProact and a new comer MediaC.A.T
Pirates have been ransacking digital product for years and years.
Now they are doing something about it. And you can pay for what you take, or do without, better than an online levy, it’s freedom of choice.
What’s unreasonable about that, Bobe-On? ;-)
BTW, given there’s only a month or so of parliament sitting left before it has to dissolve for the general election, and the opposition want to use every opportunity to damage Labour before the election, it’s highly unlikely that any but the most mundane of all the bills mentioned in the Queens speech will get passed.
This one doesn’t stand a cat in hells chance, but Mandy will save face in front of his industry chums by saying “Well at least I tried”.
CAKE?!?!
Who really cares, everything in the real world is so slow and as long as they stay one step behind what difference does it make… so the filesharing revolution started with Napster in 1999 and in 2009 they are trying to pass a bill.. which probably will take a few more years to implement. As long as tech stays 10 years ahead of the real world then it will never be a problem.
I am not sour or anything but F**K Mandelson he is such a scumbag… first he picks on students and now filesharers! Labour basically lost 100% of its young voters (not like it matters, young people never vote!).
The world government needs to speed up… check out ‘us now’ on youtube!
@77 people have been saying this for years, but its just been all talk and no action.
There really isn’t anything individuals can do, apart from move to new technology which is undetectable.
Good. Good. I’m just waiting for some country to implement something like this. The chaos it will create will be awesome. A lot of innocents will be screwed though, that’s a bad thing. But if this is what it takes to get people to wake up and really do something about the media industry and to deter other counties to implement anything remotely similar, then those screwed people will not be screwed in vain. They will be martyrs.
Reasoned Mind, if you think that this will stop us, you should be sectioned. If you couldn’t stop us in the past, what makes you think that you can stop us now, in this digital age? We will go back to snail mail and sneakernets if necessary, and don’t think for a second that we wouldn’t.
The only people who are going to be affected by this are innocent people. And as Mandy is so keen to take action against us without any judicial process, innocent people could be jailed. THEIR FREEDOM WILL BE GONE IN A SECOND. If you are happy with something like that to catch one hundred, maybe one hundred and fifty of us who are too stupid to use protection…well, you are worse than I thought.
Twenty years ago, the music industry was saying that home taping is killing music. Yet, they are still here and making record profits at that. We, the people, own the Internet and there’s not a thing you can do about it. You can try, but you will fail.
I’m not a happy bunny :( this sucks BIG time.
Mahahahaaha Let the games begin
Tbh Sendaii abouve me is right thoses of us in the know are never gona be stopped.This is just gona go after the poor unschooled folk
The proud empire is turning into a banana republic of the entertainment industry ;-(
If they need help on that they should ask the chinese gov for help.
@69:
and a lot of viruses too ;-)
a last gasp from a dying government
Would a VPN account definitely protect users from this legislation?
If so, surely the legislation won’t achieve anything.
where is the best place to get information regarding VPN and how it works?
well, the money i save by sharing goes to opensource-guys to hack better encryption and sharing tech…
and i do not buy anything from the corporations anymore…
o yes reasoned mind we will do without when independent artists who care about their fans take the stage and you and your nazi thugs get thrown out by sammy.
Seriously, WTF. If i would live in the UK right now i would be so pisses that i left to pirate island :s !
SERIOUSLY, WTF, wheres the privacy these days, forced isp spying? wthhhh
Sux to be british!
Oh well. Like the olden days, the blank cd/dvd industry will profit heavily from this.
Wow guess the brits will be bending over once again pretty soon. Wonder how tight they can tighten down the bolts on the UK before it wakens up.
UK = Pathetic
Basically what this leaked document says is that anyone can be effectively put to jail at any time.
In the world of Internet it could be almost impossible to prove you are an infringer, but the funny thing – it is even harder to prove you are not.
Interesting times…
But it seems too tough to be true.
simply disgusting
Damn, William Burroughs’ weirdest ideas about the Nova Mob came true.
I think it is time to educate people about their digital citizen rights and time for action against these plans!
I just wonder how the British people are going to respond to this outrage.
He laughs best who laughs last!
This is not over! How shall it feel raisined mime, when this smoke blows back up your a$$?
I was going to go to the UK for college, but my plans fell through… Now, I’m sort of glad they did…
I got accused by the MPAA of downloading a movie, and I’m a humble laser printer.
http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/
You guys must be might pissed about the possibility of being jailed!
You know is this kind of shit goes through it only proves who is really runny governments around the world, and it’s sure as hell not the politicians! Corporations have corrupted every politician and high level government bureaucrat. Do you think they do this to protect the rights of the people who create content? Nope its just to protect their power and greed.
What this UK legislation provides is the beings of a corporate state. We can’t do anything that would upset Big Business. Why don’t we just wind back the clocks to Dickens? Work 40-50 hours a week for a pittance and be happy about it. Rights and freedoms, not if they get in the way of corporate greed and profit. This is the shape of the world People.
When did the UK legal system die?It used to be the case of “Better 10 guilty people walk free than 1 innocent man be imprisoned”.
This proves to me that “new” Labour is even more conservative than the Conservative party nowadays……but I’m willing to bet that the Cons will take up this bill and run with it if they get in power,it’s right up their street!!
Mandy will have to try harder than that to stop me…
The war has started….
Sign this for U.K http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/
@82 Reasoned Mind
I still believe that content creators, if given the choice, would still rather have people see their work than not see it at all.
If, for example, I have no money, I clearly will not be buying a movie, game, cd, etc. Now, if I still have no money, but I choose to pirate it (and therefore expose myself to it), I clearly will not be buying a movie, game, cd, etc. I clearly haven’t spent money either way, but I have been exposed to their content. Now, perhaps later, when I do finally have money, I would be more willing to buy the next rehash of IP that gets released.
Although, I am lying to myself a little bit. I wouldn’t be more likely to buy a DVD, but to make a greater effort to get to the theater to see the next rehash. Before my discovery of filesharing, I rarely bought DVD’s. A matter of fact, you’ll only be able to find a few DVD’s in my house (and these were ~$5 used DVD’s from the bargain bin at that).
If I never got a chance to go to the theater and see a movie, I wouldn’t wait for it until it came out on DVD, I would wait for it until it came on a television channel (like TBS, TNT, Comedy Central, etc.), hence why I have such a low number of DVD’s. It was most often years until the movie reached TV, and then I would say to myself “Gee, I remember this movie came out a few years ago, but I never got a chance to see it!”.
I was (and still am) an avid movie-goer, however. I WANT to be able to see movies on the big screen in HD with great surround sound. Circumstances just sometimes present themselves that prevent me from getting to the theater. When this happens, I will bypass the multi-year wait for the movie to come on TV, and instead grab a copy through filesharing.
Believe me, the industry isn’t losing my money when I download, but are in fact still getting some of my money, when I go to the theater and buy snacks, pay for my ticket, etc.
They are starting to release digital copies of movies in movie packs here in the us I have seen a few commercials mainly from Disney offering 1 Bluray 1 DVD and 1 Digital copy in a pack
id hate to say it
http://piratesagainstpedos.co.cc/
what idiots like (t)Reasoned Mind(less) dont realise is that, if this actually comes in, it wont stop with whether people are ‘pirating’ stuff from the internet or not, it will extend into every part of every persons life in every country. wait until you are on the receiving end, and believe me, no one will be exempt from this, then see how you cope. the implications are so far reaching to be unbelievable! no one will have any privacy in any form. no one will have any defence over anything. a single accusation by anyone against someone over anything and that person could be jailed; no proof required, no evidence submitted, no defence allowed. only a complete moronic idiot could possibly think that there is going to be some benefit from this. that’s the problem with putting someone in a responsible position when they haven’t got the common sense, brains or ability to exercise correctly the power that comes with that position. strange how those in government soon forget that they were entrusted primarily to look after the interests of the majority, the ordinary ‘man on the street’, not just the companies or individuals because they have the deepest pockets! the UK is going backwards so fast it is gaining 3rd world status whilst, at the same time, keeping it’s world leader position, but for stupidity instead of for innovation, forward thinking and freedom!
The folks in the UK should start a good old riot like they did in Greece.
If twice disgraced, unelected Mandelson gets his way I wonder what’s next for fascist Britain.
- Re-education camps for repeat offenders?
- Mandatory prison sentences for uploading?
- Random house raids by anti-piracy squads?
- vile anti-piracy propaganda before watching any dvd/cinema film? … Oh we have that already.
Did you even read this link http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/
And I wanted to move to the UK. The DMCA looks tame next to this.
For those who did not get this yet it just give you a good grasp of how dangerous these entertainment parasites are.
We have to attack them, attack them now and eradicate them!
NOW!
if you live in the u.k go here now http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/
So what do i need to do to hide my ip address and encrypt the traffic?
they are batshit insane, have they no decency, they are hunting down pirates like they are murderers and rapists….unbelievable, these copyright fuckers are heartless bastards
bobanon you could sign that petition I posted
by Reasoned Mind
“It’s not nice to say “You can’t stop us.””
Agree.
Ok, What about this:
Death to the entertainment corporate parasites!
This is way better!
And by the way you can not stop us with this either.
Oh no! Now I have to find a real job just like my boss and eat shit!
That really suck!
Oh nice.
The taxpayers should pay for the investigations, arrests and convictions for people that share patterns of 0’s and 1’s. Let’s see, it’ll cost tax payers billions of pounds, and not to mention the costs to the ISP’s.
Of course there is the cost to the people that are innocent of any wrong doing.
Sounds like a really good thing for the corporations. Hold an entire country prisonder and feel free to pick and choose how much profits you can extort from the citizens.
Yep. This sounds like something Reasoned Troll, .neo.troll and Sometroll would agree with, so that makes it a very bad idea.
I say people in the UK should launch an independant watchdog to keep an eye on the entertainment corporations. The government is supposed to protect it’s citizens, not treat them all like criminals whether or not they are guilty of any crime.
Welcome to communist Britain!
Well this seems fair, with a vote and all :(
vpn’s — get one!
no one will know what you’re doing…
Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot,
I see no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot…
http://www.facebook.com/#/piratepartyuk?ref=ts
Join
Damn. I didn’t think anything could make the USA look relatively progressive until I read this. (Of course, who knows what similar bullshit our illustrious legislators may be cooking up behind closed doors?)
Oh noes! They are going to punish people for breaking the law! The only alarming part is that it has taken this long for them to wake up and do something about it.
These laws will only affect those who steal content, not those who pay for it, like an honest person.
They’re the parasites when you are the one taking their work and without giving anything back? Could you possibly be any more hypocritical? Try making some sense.
Yeah… uhm.. or you could just stop pirating? Use.. you know.. money? How hard can that be?
Oh right.. and these people who download things don’t have any more or they are incapable of getting a job?
Too bad ur govt took away all ur guns, u guys cant revolt. U need Guy Fawkes all ova again
I’m hoping labour are out of office soon and have no time to implement it!
@129: Your comments are typicle of 1 of the following stereotypes:
1. You either don’t have any money, but want to look like you do…
or
2. You have loads of money, and just want to rub shit in our faces.
Most pirates can afford the content they download for free. But do you blame them for spending their money on something a little more worthwhile, when all they get from the government is this type of bullshit?
I’m going to watch ‘V for Vendetta’ again, as I may need to take notes to be prepared for what Britain is going to be like in the future.
As a side note, I own the DVD of that film, therefore I’m probably partially responsible for funding this sort of thing… Sorry guys.
See….
iamthewitness.com
whatreallyhappened.com
judicial-inc.org
wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com
good it will stop these smelly niggaz from ruling our country.
feedthe.net we pwnzer u on pre!!!
HOW can a “Business” Secretary be allowed to spear head plans like this? What does he know about the internet.
He knows nothing, but he knows it will line his pockets. Look at the ACS law incident. Thousands have been accused of illegal file sharing. Some people reckon almost half of those accused are innocent. Just imagine, 1.5 billion people criminalized
Revolution: look into it.
Fact music is art free culture
and since Mandelson and his unelected quangos i only hope he faces a charge of crim,es aginst humanity.
My great grandfathers did not fight in the great war and the second world war for, madelson hitter like views to be imposed.
and remember its only a plan his other plans have fallen through at the end of the day he will fail.
We face another idiot here just like past idiots like Adolf hitter we need to fight them and fight them now.
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
FYI Peter Mandelson = PURE EVIL
When are they gunna start reading my mail?
My family have already had their telephone tapped by the police because we had the nerve to complain about the criminal activities of the ex-policeman nextdoor.
http://www.xbomber.co.uk
styles and rm as usual being narrow minded (and amusing most of us)
no way to check the stuff b4 buying = no buying = no money going to the industry despite the efforts to reduce piracy.
That’s basically what is going to happen with all the people I know if the industry actually succeeds in stopping file sharing.
Not that you care about that… And not that you care that producers and artists are earning more money now than ever…
You fail.
http://www.bedford.gov.uk/business/trading_standards/financial_investigations.aspx
I can only hope someone feels strongly enough to eviscerate Mandelson and leave his sorry ass in a ditch to bleed out!
That miserable, evil, corrupt b*st*rd deserves nothing less.
F**k Mandelson and f**k anyone connected to him.
Internet is about file sharing. No file sharing meaning ISP goes bankrupt. The government will be sorry!
Wow, i hate being right all the time. Get a VPN service! That seems to be the only way you can protect your privacy.
I really am starting to wonder why these things are happening around the world.
It’s really scary that even the UK is becoming so crazy.
Browse safely https://p-r-o-x-y.in
Downloading and file sharing is a civic duty.
For anyone wanting a cheap VPN to protect their online identity, check out SwissVPN. Its only around £3 per month..
http://www.swissvpn.net/
A VPN works by encrypting all your internet traffic then routing it through the VPN servers. For anyone monitoring your local IP address (such as your ISP), all they will see is encrypted data streams – they cannot tell what you are downloading. If anyone is monitoring the torrent / file via P2P software (such as MediaDefender), they will only see the IP address of the VPN (which in the case of SwissVPN is in Switzerland). The VPN service does not keep any logs of who is connected, when they are connected or what sites they connect to – effectively making you completely untraceable!
The crazy thing is – I would be happy to pay this money to the industry for unlimited downloads without all this monitoring sh1t and criminalising us – but because of the way they treat us, I would rather pay for the VPN service!
@1 “Rob”
Why would want to come here?
Things are getting real f**ked up over here as well.
Finland is where you want to go. Where internet is considered a human right and everyone should have internet access according to the law (1mbit atm).
Hi.
I’ve read many comments on this article.
But almost none about how to defend yourself. Nothing about witch VPN provider is good and save ect.
I think the time has come to resist. Maybe a little of boycott…? Lets check how the general public will react. They are checking who is stronger! We must react. Information about how to stay hidden must be spread. In a form avery man can understand.
The war is on so the time for a central potin of informatcion has come.
We must defend the people!
We must hold the culture online.
I will not watch any TV, I will not buy any software. (linux) I AM NOT A CUSTOMER ANY LONGER!!!
I demand to be free.
I demand that my comunication stays private!
Let’s Fight.
PS. Any good site about privacy online?
To TF more information please.
Other options for those who do not want VPN access are newsgroups. These predate much of the modern P2P software, however they offer a number of other benefits. A good newsgroup service will offer you fully encrypted connections to their servers, as well as being able to download at the maximum speed that your connection will support 100% of the time! The content is hosted by the news servers themselves, as such their is no risk of connecting to MediaDefender or similar. The newsgroup does not monitor what you download making it impossible to trace you. If you upload to the newsgroup servers though, you need to mask your identity as their are some logs kept of uploaders!
@148 Anonymous – read my post a couple above yours ;)
no more youtube
150. You are my white rabbit.
Thaks.
I think it is high time for all of you to do and spread the word of what i do.
NO MORE BUYING OF NEW MOVIES !!!!
buy only used stuff do not feeed the greedbag hollywood industry.
I am already boycotting to the max since I even dropped my cable TV.
No CD, No DVD, No Movie Theater, No TV, No Download.
The last thing I can pull now is my IP provider.
I have this p2p software using WIFI C2C connection but frankly not enough people are using it to make it worth it at the moment.
Hack the planet
I have watched a movie in the cinema than i bought a DVD, than I bought a HD version, Next i’ll buy a 3D version.
They think I am stupid and they whant to change me into a slave.
I choose prison.
@133,
I was just about to add that we’re going to see a relapse of “V For Vendetta” in real life in the near future in the UK.
Can anyone say totalitarian democracy?
They tried the poll tax
Did not work
All go to jail who will pay to keep us in there.
Jails full now
All plead not guilty go to crown court.
Courts will clog up
Wow looks like sone tough regulation down the road
I feel an mass internet campaign coming on Muhahaha!
Exterminate! Exterminate!
wow, looks like alot more regulations down the road
America 2.0 coming up.
This is why we left the first time.
Margarita Island looking all the better now. No extradition, high speed internet, sandy beaches. What else do you need? Maybe a couple of hotties and a fat chronic!
When i send a letter i its protected. Nobody can read it. Even when the whole PhotoShop is inside!
Why my internet activities can be monitored by privet organizations?
Do they own me?
?
“Britain is a lost cause – how the mighty have fallen!” – yogi – Fuck you, Britain is the 4th largest economy in the world, so apart from being a cunt you are also wrong.
Rest easy fellow pirates
- someone will tazer Mandy to a crisp before this flies
- darknets 2.0 (turbo tor?)
- technology will always develop faster than law.
i am looking for a good source of ex russian millitery kit ie ak`s snd heaier types you know stuff to take out armoured helis will have to be on tick as on on the dole but can promise heads of prominant politicians on a stick any takers?
must admit, as scarey as these proposals are, have they been made this scarey on purpose? not because they are expected to get in but because if a ‘toned down’ set of options are put forward that will achieve almost exactly the same end, there will then be virtually no opposition?
ie, atm, get caught and your in jail. toned down option being, get caught and get disconnected. ‘wow, lets go with that one. it’s better than being put in nick!!’
got to watch them. they’re downright, sneaky bas**rds!!
This is a pretty sad state of affairs for the country that produced the Magna Carta.
New Luddites = Mandelson Brown and “new” Labour
They cannot be trusted they fiddled their expenses.
Now the brown envelopes will be making a comeback
Look at it from the media perspective. The internet is one giant pool of untapped ideas and creativity. It is a giant super information highway, you take away privacy and these company will hit the motherload! That’s right, they will steal your thoughts and profit from it. It is all about greed and profit.
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Europe
omg stop the terrorists!
From a famous Brit…
Sounds like its time to fight for your rights and the rights of those who don’t understand the consequences of this outrageous act in the UK before you lose them all. Will the next phrase you hear in the streets be “Sieg Hiel mein Fuhrer”?
this could all be stopped, if there was protests so huge, the ANTI-RIAA employees couldn’t leave work to eat or sleep.. bwhahahah
time to start our own internet, by this i mean grab a router and a nas drive and stick it in the loft, no password.
offering internet access is risky, but tunnelling thro the net to link other similar hot spots around the country wud be good.
just think of what we could share outside of the internet proper if thousands do this. Implement a mesh system where appropriate, and even drill through neighbours walls for cat5 cabling, and get them to do the same. Later when there are enuf nodes, anomyous proper net access could be layered on top of Tor, exited through vpns.
Who is with me????
If this passes, I’m gonna invest in a fat fiber line from the UK to mainland Europe and run a VPN service.
Perhaps the most profitable thing in the world if this law passes.
Also, UK Pirate Party membership will increase MASSIVELY if this passes.
@no.style
Liar! Studies have shown that close to half of the data on the internet are p2p streams. That also includes Skype, VoIP, streaming media, instant messaging, cloud computing and many others. They all use the p2p protocol.
Stop being such an ignorant twit, spreading your FUD. We all know how its used.
When people rail about JEW HATRED – we never really explore WHY?\
This is a bill by and for Jews. Entertainers have said for years, the BIG BUCKS are made by the distributors and the labels… it’s the residuals… not the performance that brings in the bucks.
ITS THE JEWS STUPID! Starting the wars, keeping us at war, stealing our money, stealing YOUR money, using banks, Wall St, short selling, the FED [all Jews], and ownership of our legislators…here and Europe… JUST ASK THE GERMANS!
Better go out and gather as much Brits as possible, go do a V for Vendetta, and burn these motafockers ;)
to those who feel ashamed: stop being a nerd
to those who feel lucky they don’t live in the uk, its coming your way babe dun worry
UK is simply acting first on that, and don’t think that a multi-million company would let you share just like that, yet again new ways of sharing will arise. fear is just a tactic! don’t buy it
the only folks that this will put the screws to is the folks that can’t afford to rent or buy said content ,, like me ,, file sharing has given me the chance to enjoy some of great stuff out there ,, which i never would have otherwise ;Z
@ 7 billy bob
File sharing is not illegal. If I so choose to post my stories or home movies online, and people I don’t know view them, then that is my decision. By your reasoning, YouTube is illegal, FanFiction.net is illegal. You get my drift. Yes, it can be used for copyright infringement, but its people like you who jump the gun and assume it is that are putting forth these laws, limiting law-abiding citizens.
Go die.
Hey look, a real nutzi speading FUD!
I wouldn’t lose my yarmulke over this.
Pirates will always find a way…
o brave new world that has such creatures in it
Shalom… <3
thank god there’s no suck fucking legislation in china..
I love torrent..WOW.
I think the British should go out and protest ur rights..
“mandy” is the cleverest insidiuous politician since Adolf Hitler. Mark my words, he will be Prime Minister of the UK one day. That is how low we have sunk. I will not mention his sexual preferences ( although I just have) the man has been booted out of office twice at least and yet he is back in the dying days of this useless fascist government.
my response is awaiting moderation apparently
There is a reason we call them POMs… the exact spelling is POME (Prisoner of Mother England).
POMs proved that they were as a whole spineless in the early 80’s as Thatcher gutted their whole country. How did that turn out for you? Creating a bankers economy based on the American system… England is now the laughing stock of the whole world economically.
If POMs did not rise up then, you can be damn well certain that they are too spineless to rise up now. The few with brains leave their prison island. Did you realize that most countries around the world have an immigration problem? Most countries feature the English as their top immigrant group, in both legal and illegal immigrants.
England and its parasitic vermin of a monarchy are an embarrassment to the rest of the Commonwealth. The weak link in the chain as you will.
@#191 “bunny” you australian?
This is fun to watch. All the rats are scurrying!
The future divide will be between the “they will never stop me” moron and the vast majority, I’d say upwards of 95% who know they have been getting away with something wrong and the illegal gravy train is finally coming to an end. No big deal.
The overwhelming majority will just go back to paying. Bet me? WATCH.
And the last 5% hardcore of you will be regarded by both the media and the populace as the true dumbasses, determined to risk fines and probably jail time for a free movie (lol you idiots) by the time the ACTA is finished and implemented.
The government will license VPN’s and encryption just as I predicted, then monitor you like speeders on the highway, pick off a few now and then when they want to make an example and gather control again.
This is great.
You’ll be fish in a barrel, looking over your shoulder the rest of your online lives. lol
And eventually, inevitably, anyone who will struggle this hard against clear government authority of what’s RIGHT will be regarded by the masses as the idiots. One thing remains very true, people who want to hide online and take merchandise for free are simply not very smart in the long run. THAT’s growing very clear.
And you can bet your life the governments and industries are in this for the VERY long run. I’m smiling. Satisfaction reigns tonight.
Replace the green custard with green sulphuric acid please.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5856186.ece
Even if we are not British, we must help stop this because if Britain implements this, the industries will lobby and port it over to USA and to Canada.
“When they came for my neighbor I was silent.
When they came for me there was no one left to stand with.”
@192 A.k.a. Reasoned Mind a.k.a Neo Style
Don’t you get tired of being the stupid twat citing made up figure in order to make yourself relevant on an board that completely ignores your pushing of empty-minded industry agenda?
“Sounds like its time to fight for your rights”
That’s right. We can no longer sit on our butt blogging. it is time for real action.
This is the law of the strongest. we have to be the strongest.
damn thats so harsh, I couldn’t stand that. IS that even possible, all those they want to put on, its just not right!!
“For any land to be truly free, the blood of the government must be spilled every 20 years or so.”
This will just make people share more.
All we need is a wifi router and no one can prove you were doing the sharing. Even the crooked lawyer firms admitted that in their leaked documents.
Ill never buy a DVD, CD or go to the cinema ever again.
Its also a fantastic way to lose votes too because every year, a whole file sharing generation turns 18 and they will all vote against anyone who implements things like this.
Okay NeoStyles…do you even read any posts?
I mean…its obvious your a retard, but still, the arguement is simple isnt it?
“the simplest reason is that people need to start paying for what they own again” — How about….no! I dont have enough money to pay for all this crap being churned out, and im quite glad, most stuff i download just isnt worth paying for! On the off chance i download something really good that is worth paying for, i usually do, either that or donate. A download doesnt equal a lost sale by any stretch of the imagination.
“Pirates have thrive on people’s trust and sympathy” — What!? Firstly, we are NOT pirates, we are filesharers (DUH! I dont even own a DVD burner!) and whats all this trust and sympathy shit? Im not totally sure what the hell your on about there, we just use the internet for the purpose it was ORIGINALLY intended. To share information…in a way that humans ALWAYS have, but more efficiently.
“Nor does it endear itself to Britain’s artists” — Do a web search dood, one or two big rich corporations (and theyre employees) moaning about “piracy”, millions of small artists hailing “filesharing” as the best thing that has ever happened to em!
“Rest assured you have nothing to fear if you pay for your things” — Again, you are only showing your ignorance, what if i parked outside a house, in my car, with my laptop, hacked someones WEP (which takes about 2 seconds) and downloaded a crap load of whatever…
“I doubt this law would exist if it weren’t for how out of control piracy has become” — “Piracy” JUST LIKE THIS has existed for hundreds and hundreds of years! Did you hear about just after the first printing press was invented, “booksharers” minimised the machinery, put it on small boats, and went up and down rivers, avoiding authorities and flogging theyre “pirated” books. Its unstoppable, no matter what laws are passed, hell – it could be the death penality! All the industry can do is move with the times and try NOT to make themselves look like arseholes to they’re consumers…..they’re failing quite bady =)
“studies have shown that close to half of the data transferred on the internet is piracy” — time for a new business model perhaps?
“Anyone who thinks that content just falls out of the sky for them should remember this law next time they think that there is no harm in not paying for things” — We dont think content falls from the sky cause we’re not retarded like you. But we DO believe in freedom of information. I cant see any hollywood actors starving on the streets, and a number of my friends who run small bands and groups, are earning more money now than they have EVER, thanks mainly down to the freedom the internet has given them to reach new fans – they give all they’re content away for free, and make money from organising nights out where people can see them in person – quite a few big names have even adapted VERY successfully to this model. Oh, and there is no harm in not paying for something as long as it doesnt deprive anyone else of that “something” – rock on copy and paste =)
And Reasoned Mind…well, i dont even think i need to respond to you at all, those comments of yours were retarded even by your own retarded standards =P
To Mr Mandelson, feel free to lock me up, all in the name of “piracy” of what is entertainment – something that serves no practical use anyway! If he really wants to piss away what little money the UK government has left, i say go for it! I dont have alot to loose, but if he wants to make the UK a third world nation, ill let him answer for that one =)
Keep on “Pirating” guys ;)
@195 RIP, what do you mean “ignores” me? I”ve enjoyed a dialog with the regulars here for years.
@198 SL, “Ill never buy a DVD, CD or go to the cinema ever again.”
Good. Don’t. Millions upon million of others will, all around the world, year after year as always. And as long as you stop stealing stuff online, you’ll have nothing to worry about.
Just the way they want it.
:-)
@ Unreasoned Capitalistic Rat
Yes, you are smiling NOW. Let’s see you smile when you are wrongly accused even though you haven’t downloaded anything AT ALL since you’re an innocent angel as you claim, and then get sent to jail without even possibility to defend yourself… Ya know, long time jail penners fork flies like you hard in the ***… They’ll have a great time with you in there, you’ll be their MAFIAA b|tchboy
Keep on buddying up to your oh so wonderful capitalistic corporations who value printed paper over people until one day they’ll hit you hard and don’t think they’ll make an exception just for you
So, is your turn in the barrel, raisined mime?
Anyone notice the similarity in looks of the Adam Sutler character from V for Vendetta and his Heinous Lard Mandy?
@Reasoned Troll
First: Go suck quartz!
From wiki…
Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie. Hypocrisy may come from a desire to hide from others actual motives or feelings.
http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-drama-prevents-artist-from-sharing-music-on-myspace-091007/
“Several big shot labels are still selling Collins’ track today even though their license to do so expired several
years ago. This basically means that the labels are pirating his music, and making profit from these activities.”
Hahahahaha,
Even Chinese government does not have the balls to present this kind of bill to Chinese internet users.
Hahaha, long life UK!
Lard Hitlerson needs to be poked, stabbed, burned, hit by a train, strangled, murdered, shot, cut in pieces, suffocated, drowned, set on fire, fed to the dogs, dragged like a piece of meat through the streets, ridiculed, spewed upon, raped by a gang, over and over and over 9000 times, again and again. There’s a special place in Hell waiting just for chaps like him
no reasoned-shill-troll/thing/whatever you call yourself. people will always be sharing no matter what brain dead prophecies you spout.
@194,
How? What is your plan?
I remember UK is the first country implemented police department.
Right now, I have no doubt that UK will setup an internet policestation. There will be lots of lots of internet cops soon after this.
Good for them. You media-stealing little pricks are parasites on this digital world, and you deserve any and all punishment they can dish out.
Lets stop whining and get working folks.
If the government are going to ignore their own security services then they should pay the price and become blind to all UK netizens activites
Start here with this tor proxy app, the gov will hate you for it.
http://www.privoxy.org/
Organise yourselves into groups of 50 and fire up “Waste”, or alternatively use “Mute”, “Ants” or just stick with the tightest private tracker group you can find that uses anti snoopping ssl encryption, they will give up before we do. Remember folks our enemies will try to mislead and disrupt us but they can only do this if we are not organised, so “dont delay encrypt today” : )
@ ha ha ha/rained mime
You think by changing your nick, we don’t know who you are?
If I were you, I would be worrying about what looks good with egg/shite on you face! Oh how we will laugh at you til our side burst.
Heh heh heh.
Keep ranting about your satisfaction, Reasoned Mind. The more smug you are the more amusing you make the violent demise of the Digital Economy Bill’s anti-piracy provisions.
When Prison in the UK costs as much as putting someone up in a 5 star hotel a night I am sure the over crowded Prison system will be thee place to put file shares/copyright infringers.
In reality they are already letting serious criminals out of Goal early to ease overcrowding
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/3533217/Record-number-of-prisoners-let-out-early.html
@T. J. Hooker
You’re such an idiot. Is your pathetic little brain really not capable of imagining a world where *gasp!* more than one person disagrees with you and your file-stealing buddies?
You guys are scum. Pure and simple. And I laugh my ass off whenever I hear about someone getting hit with a huge fine for stealing music. And then listening to you little babies cry and whine about how unfair it is that they’re being fined ~$25,000 per song.
Sure, you won’t go away…we know that. You’re a disease and there is no cure…but it sure is fun when we see you bitching and moaning.
@ ha ha ha
And you think your childish rhetoric is winning points? Go heat up another pop tart!
@214
What about the cost to the tax payer (ie – YOU!) in making legal claims against these people who will never pay a penny to the government or the people accusing them of “stealing music” as you say?
They loose money to “piracy” and so the first thing they do is throw away more money….yeah, makes perfect sense! =P
All you pro-copyright peeps are capitalist scum, and reading your comments amuses me massively! thanks for the FREE entertainment =)
@214 aka TJ Hooker ….. ROFL! @ hooker
I bet you’re one and the same guy.. aka Unreasoned scum
Disregard, I fail hard :D
comment 216 was really meant at “ha ha ha” aka Unreasoned Capitalistic Scum
Was gonna say yabba???? No foul.
So Tigger, I know your barb was not meant for me because “A Tigger’s a wonderful thing.”;)
@ 213… the REAL disease is you, the capitalist that wants a world where he has control in ever aspect of a normal person’s life, for the sole purpose of tanking on cash so he can drive his fat Porsche while others starve to death… you disgust me and I wanna pu-ke on your face, you scum su-cking dog
awww, did you lose some $$ due to people sharing and enjoying music, movies, etc. What? you had to sell your fat Porsche so you’d have $$$ to buy some bread just to make it through the day? Oh nooooooo… say what? You didn’t go to vacation this year with your private jet since some people are sharing files????
For laughing out loud, cry me a river, you poor poor baby
You know what I find really interesting is when somebody posts something that makes the trolls look bad, they simply fade away, or use a new nick. Where they are paid to think this way and spout endless streams of FUD during the week, the people that actually believe in what they are trying to defend are here 24/7/365. Not just when we are paid!
To all the trolls, if you really believe in what you are saying and doing then why do you disappear on the weekends? Don’t have thoughts or opinions or values unless someone pays you to have them?
That is the height of hypocrisy! Try being a man instead of a paid whore!
@221
No I just think it’s grand that people like you expect all of this media for free. Then you whine like little girls when the coppers nick you for THEFT which is what YOU are DOING. YOU ARE STEALING PEOPLES MUSIC. THEY DESERVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY.
@TJ Hooker
yeah don’t you wish you basement dwelling halfwit you? I’m gonna guess you haven’t seen your toes recently either
@yabba -
You’re such a fail pro, aren’t you? At first, you couldn’t even respond to the correct post, so you ragged on one of your drooling compatriots, TJ Hooker.
The thing that is fantastically hysterical about people like you is that you think that your are better than other people because you’re not a capitalist. Yet, you’re more than happy to *steal* the results of other hard-working people.
Seriously, if you find no value in copyrighted materials, then just don’t take them. End of story.
But if you *do* find value in them (eg: you want them, and you’re willing to take them), then why not pay for that material?
Again, you are scum and a disease. And you’ll be around for a long time. Good for you. It’s just you’re so amusing to watch wiggle and squirm when the pressure picks up.
@228
Oh please you expect em to pay for the overpriced crap they send? you reeeeeally think that is worth money? god you’re dense, maybe… just maybe if the mainstream music/movie industry would put out decent material instead of the lowest common denominator crap I’d pay for it… oh the “squirming” thing will never happen anyway so what ever you are pratting on about is really pointless… WIRELESS INTERNET FTW!!!
this loss of privacy is an inevitable outcome of people not paying for what they consume
cheers for that… nicely done
complain all you want – the damage has been done and we will all enjoy less liberty as a result.
@229
So then what you are admitting is that you are still in some fashion or another enjoying the entertainment someone else worked to make? Where was that post on hypocrisy again?
@226
People like me expect and want to have EASY, FAST, CHEAP access to content whenever they want and from where they want, without limitations (and I’m happy to pay a few buck if such thing existed but reality is VERY different, but it isn’t to the blind like you). The industry (aka YOU, Unreasoned f-cukstick) has failed HARD to deliver what people like ME have asked for YEARS so instead of DELIVERING, you try to sue the WHOLE world and implement your DRACONIAN lawas trying to hide behind THEM, while pushing the BLAME to OTHERS like us… Ask yourself this… what is the reason that people share so much and why do they do it? Sure, some want it all for free, but lots just don’t have what they want NOW and the industry can’t deliver it due to constant f-aggotry and endless arguing how should have what, when, how ,etc… YOU HAVE FAILED HARD… instead of grabbing the opportunity to change your DINOSAUR BUSINESS MODELS and turn them into a profitable market where most if not all are happy, you try to shut down the WHOLE internet and this is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, NO MATTER WHAT…. In a few years, when the Phantom Anonymity Protocol gets mainstream and fully secure decentralized darknets become reality, you won’t be able to do a thing AT ALL and the losses you encounter NOW are a peanuts to what will wait you if you don’t act like the majority of people request you do.
For one I who torrent TV shows i’ve missed would go to jail…it’s copyrighted material but it’s played for free on the magic boxes we call televisons… I also download MP3’s of the vinyl records I buy(don’t purchase CD’s)…
You especially should go to jail! you are depriving the ad execs who pay out the ASS to essentaily fund those television shows.
Just because you won one item of something don’t give you the right to steal another of that thing, So yeah enjoy the buggery in your sell from that darkie in with ya!!!!
Guyzzz… it is I… I troll yo…. yo trol me… we trollfest here :D
@ha ha ha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I confess, that I, Unreason Mind, have stolen and downloaded a lot of other people’s content, without any permissions as it is impossible for me to check on every single file I try to download its copyrights, as it often takes hours if not days to do a proper unbiased investigation. So I come here to troll ya all and pretend I’m the angel I wish I was but will never be.
@R Kelly
??I don’t see nothing wrrrrrooong??
??with a little bump ‘n’ griiiind??
I am DL’ing that RIGHT NOW…
and I have a REASON to MIND
because I got the SEASONED RIND!!!
SEASONED PORK RINDS YO!!!
@238 oh BLIMEY!!! Wot you on you chatty bastard? init time for your meds?
UK guys are so f*** sorry people.
Trolls, please read and explain the link posted at #208.
How do you explain that or the artist in Mexico that had his music stolen by Sony?
Why do you THIEVES never explain your masters actions? And don’t give me your tripe about how its simply a mistake. You STOLE from them and many others, making a huge PROFIT, while we, who simply share, get $0.00! Don’t those artists deserve their hard earned money?
@rasined whine
No, I haven’t seen my toes lately because they are firmly planted up your a$$! You will never, ever get anywhere by insulting people. Grow up!
@ha ha ha
Learn to spell!
@241
yeah I doubt you could even lift your foot up far enough to piss like the dog you are let alone kick me…
Guyzzzzz I’m really a troll… MASSIVE, UGLY, CAPITALISTIC, MONKEY GUZZLING, WITH BAD BREATH AND UGLY TEETH, IN A NICE TIGHT SUIT FROM VERSACE, LYING HYPOCRITICAL MEGATROLL
Guyzzzzz I’m really a troll… MASSIVE, UGLY, CAPITALISTIC, MONKEY GUZZLING, WITH BAD BREATH AND UGLY TEETH, IN A NICE TIGHT SUIT FROM VERSACE, LYING HYPOCRITICAL MEGATROLL
bang bang bang…. my baby shot me down :(
@242
You know, if I had to choose between a dog and someone like you, I’d choose the dog anytime, even if you offered me an infinite amount of money and I’m starving to death
@208
they stole my tacos!!!
and my burritos!!!
and my frito-lays!!!
I speak good english and am not afraid of no one!!!
Reasoned Mind is a cool guy… eh not afraid of anything and enjoys butts€x with the MAFIAA
Your not Reasoned Mind, nor or you even an adult. Reasoned Mind might be a troll but he does not talk the way you do.
@everyone
You are all scum still, when the police come barging down your doors and bust in your windows I wanna be able to record it to make an example of one of you!
I’m not allowed content because i live on a small island nation (less than 200,000 population). I can’t even watch half of the YouTube authorized videos. Digital content is rarely if ever authorized for use in my country. Cant even get retailers to ship to me because im not G20. I am also an ‘artist’ myself… All hail the internet & file sharing.
@248
did you mean -your- reasoned mind?
sooooo wait… -you are- Reasoned Mind? Or your reasoned mind is not yours? so which is it?
I am Seasoned Pork Rinds BTW…
@250
trust me you are not missing much…
Get over it. The UK is a CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY.
@Hooker
and you totally utterly missed the point of not talking like Reasoned Mind…. it’s called “troll tactic”, look it up.
Apart from the copyright thing.
What Mandelson is doing is a power grab LoL
The guy is not elected, have nobody apparently to whom he needs to account for and want a lot of extra-ordinary powers.
God save Britain because no one else will apparently.
At the bright side this changes nothing it will only further alienate another piece of society that till now didn’t really bother that much soon it will be so unbearable that heads will roll and order will be restored. It could take a decade or two but it will come the day for some who think they can do anything and everything to annoy people. Specially when those people are just a handful against a wall 100 meters high of people coming their way any day now.
> How do you explain that or the artist in Mexico that had his music stolen by Sony?
Oh, I get it. You justify *your* actions by pointing out someone else’s equally (if not worse) bad actions?
Sir/Madam, you will have a tough time in life if that’s how you go about justifying and defining your behavior.
People are stealing things that were created by other, hard-working people. The vast majority of pirating is done because people want the materials for free. Not because they’re not available in your hometown, or some other equally idiotic reason. People are stealing things simple *because they can.*
There is *nothing* honorable or defensible in that.
You (and the TPB) have thumbed your technological noses at the authorities for a long, long time. And now, they are biting back with the only weapons they have: laws.
And then you guys bitch and moan about it.
*That’s* what’s funny to me. You’re too caught up in your stupid, silly little world here on torrentfreak to notice that you all brought these actions on yourselves.
Idiots.
@255
Would that be a torrent of people?
@2^8 (get it?)
so if I tape a T.V. show and pass it to a friend? or dub a mixtape of smoooth jazz and pass it to a friend?
@257
well I bet it isn’t like a dump-truck… infact! I think it’s like a …series of tubes, and all those people would clog the tubes…
@ ha ha ha
That is the point of my comment. I’m not the one that needs to justify myself.
Finish your porridge, your going to miss the school bus.
Thank God I m not in UK. And I wish such things never shows up in Here.
But I want to support the people of UK in whatever way I can. You have my full support and prayers against this unlawful law called “Digital Economy Bill”.
@ Reasoned Mind
Obviously you missed the entire point that no one has been proven to have engaged in copyright infringement. So YOU need to stop downloading all those copies of Paranormal Activity as only someone as stupid as you would want to watch it.
If this goes through people would be better off just going to a store and stealing the physical DVD or CD.
Man, you’ve got to love these doomsday scenarios from the idiotic Mind of our Unreasoned MPAA mouthpiece and his dire “predictions” – dude, seriously, what planet are you living on? By the time anyone tries to “license” VPNs, other avenues of sharing will be developed and employed. In your utopian fantasy world, technology will stand still and wait for the morons to catch up – there will be no new innovations, no new options, no new methods for parties to transfer files between themselves. Yeah, I’m willing to take your silly bet – and you can bet on this: the days of your plundering Hollywood thieves are numbered. You better find an industry with a future, lad – their acts of desperation are pretty obvious and so is your imminent extinction. Troll elsewhere – your propaganda is as comical as your asinine “arguments.”
it’s all about control of the internet, those folks who think that this legislation is ONLY intended to curb piracy are sorely misguided. Governments AND corporations are desperate to control the net so that they can control it’s content, i.e. they need the net to spread their version of the truth, not the actual truth. Control the media and you control the people, case closed.
The funny thing is when you have a look at the majors’ business model.
Compared to the production costs, most movies create a 2 or 3 times more important income.
“Honest” industries target 3% benefits. Meaning for 100 as income, they consumed 97 to make 3.
Now have a look to those industries (big movies, big studios) and see their margins. This has a name : speculation; this has a tool : advertising overfeeding.
So talk about lack of morality when people download stuff for free ? I’d say have a look at your dealer’s methods first maybe.
@266(Control the net)
Best comment so far.
What the hell! Disgusting, now the brits!!!!
@268:
@266(Control the net)
Best comment so far.
Agreed. Absolutely. And the pirates give them the “moral” justification (not that they really need any).
@ #266
That is the Obama administration in a nutshell.
Control the media, show only your point of view, and you control the population.
The UK has it bad, but there’s scary shit going on here in America, too. Obama and the senate are trying their best to deconstruct the Constitution (after they swore an oath to protect it!).
If Obama had his way, it won’t be long before every American absolutely NEEDS the government in order to survive. No one will think for themselves because if it’s deemed bad for us it will simply be banned.
TJHooker: “That is the point of my comment. I’m not the one that needs to justify myself.”
You’re so inept at discussing anything that you actually think that you can make a comment and then refuse to acknowledge it later when it’s presented as an argument against you.
Go back to copying other people’s stuff, you renegade, you.
@Reasoned Mind
You think that VPN’s will become licensed? That shows your complete lack of understanding what a VPN is – or what they are used for.
A huge number of businesses use VPN technology – to connect offices to the same network for example – or to enable workers to connect to their network when away from the office – in fact the ability to set up a VPN is built into most server software, including Microsoft server software and Linux. Every copy of Windows has the ability to connect to a VPN built in. It is impossible to stop this technology since the data is encrypted – without breaking the encryption there is NO way to monitor it! And by far, the most common uses of a VPN are legal.
Personally, I think the music industry should offer a VPN service – where for a monthly fee, you could download as much music through their VPN for free as you like – it would be a nice easy to set up way for them to introduce a flat rate service – the costs would be minimal and they wouldn’t need to worry about distribution models etc as the existing sites such as TPB would do it for them!
Get organized anf fight the power, if got pretty messy in France, if you do the same thing, you will win.
the worst is…now the entertaining industry is really gaining power over us. not only our freetime addiction but also our freedom.
Wow, the trolls are really working this one over!
Good luck Brits, the world is watching.
I live in the England and i can say i no longer have ANY respect for this country… Sad but true
This is not even a p2p news. This is just some eccentric UK idiot (who’s nobody) proposing a law.
The law can’t and won’t pass because it’s inconstitutional, and he’s just nobody. And this is it.
I meant “unconstitutional” not “inconstitutional”. Sorry guys, english is not my mother language, as you can tell :)
Hint for TF: Add some edit button for the posts!
Orwell turned in his grave a million times already with these goons and loons.
I wonder what side is facing up these days.
Good thing I don’t live in the UK …
I have never bothered with file sharing. I don’t buy music or video or any other kind of entertainment software as I’ve absolutely no interest in it. I read books and I can play music for myself, for free, if the mood takes me. Moving images just make me feel mildly dizzy and disorientated.
This issue is, as usual, being used by the UK government (who are a disgrace to humanity), as another lever to backdoor their plans for a total surveillance state. Why they think this is such a good idea I cannot fathom. Why don’t they go and live in China if that’s what they like so much?
Unfortunately large numbers of people in the UK are more than happy to accommodate themselves to life in a totalitarian police state. Their credit cards and relatively pampered lifestyles notwithstanding, many are less philosophically sophisticated than the average peasant, and care for little beyond bread and circuses.
If you didn’t fugured it out already, it’s planned, organized world-wide attack on internet freedom. There’s HADOPI in France, jail in UK, blocking TPB in Dennmark, MAFIAA court cases in USA, tracker cut-offs in Australia…
In Poland recently there’s (gonna be) a new law that makes obligatory for ISPs to block “dangerous” sites and services. You know, internet bets, fascist sites, paedophile content, torrent trackers, political criticism etc.
Communist China, anyone?? Bah.
Adding to it current political scandals with bet companies (probably) lobbying for lower bet taxes and dramatic press articles about teh scary TOR network with fascist-nazi-paedophile-killer-mutants, I’m afraid that such stupid laws could be enforced.
Please note – most of the restrictions, once when put, can (and will) be extended as the government wishes. And there will be NO critics, because it simply won’t be allowed.
people will talk (exchange info.)
other people will try to stop them.
people will still talk.
It’s just how it is.
“Once everyone is a Criminal, then the only crime is getting caught.”
If you are a UK Citizen, sign the ePetition – http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/
Its only got 1,500 sigs at the moment, we need more!
well.. i am glad am indian.. we r a looooong way from piracy laws :)
You knew this would happen, the UK is sunk if the public don’t fight back, and I must say I think the British public will just let this happen, just like everything else that happens here, our education is rubbish, our health service, etc, I could go on for hours, the whole of the UK now is nightmare of Fines for the silliest of things.
The UK is run by the banks and big companies, what do you expect.
One of the most annoying things is when we have a election the sleepy general public will vote for the Conservative Party thinking they might be better, and on it goes.
I believe the future is for the young, please take it now before these morons naff the whole planet.
We need something better than this, please UK, WAKE UP, COS I for one have had enough. HACK THE PLANET ESPECIALLY THE UK.
One more reason to try solutions like Oneswarm: http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/
Why do we even bother having laws when some over zealous politician can just by pass them whenever he pleases to ignore our human rights. The lack of trial thing is truly scary, all i have to do is get hacked and i lose my right to the internet, that’s truly pathetic, i hope Gordan Brown wakes up and realizes what a horribly thought out plan this is.
This would be a nice way to take revenge on anyone. Your girlfriend doesn’t like you anymore? No problem … hack into her wi-fi, download some pron on the watch list and send her to jail … lol
One year they are complaining that our jails are over crowded, the next they are trying to criminalize 7 million people.
I think we should just abolish human rights, start a civil and have done with it.
Our government doesn’t have it’s head screwed on straight.
im sure the bill has to be passed by the house of useless lazy lords? maybe they see sence and reject it and send it back to commens.
Hit the Jews where it hurts, boycott all films and music.
Its British ACTA. The US’s inability to actually produce anything but weapons and movies has enabled the trade dept. to push this abortion on the world.
Lord Mandelson is an Asshat.
wtf…in the uk…peodos having images on there computers get less punishment..just scare tactics from the gov to show they are doing anything but will be powerless when it comes to civil rights !!!!
i hate this man.
overexaggerating?
I feel bad for the British!
You guys really need to start standing up for your rights! Too bad though, that there must be a fair share of those who don’t give a shit and let this kinds of big brother laws pass.
But you who care, go and march on the streets, send e-mails protesting this.. do anything you can or soon this shit will be infesting other nations in the EU, too!
Interesting comments!
Taken me aaaaaages to read em all!
Disregarding the few trolls, there is alot of passion here, the government would be insane to pass these new laws, there would be anarchy! Not to mention the complete disregard for human rights.
I suspect there will be no problem based on what ive read here, the day these laws pass, will be the day most of the public decide to stage a coo =)
The government can only take from us what we choose to give them, but remember, a government capable of giving you everything you want, is powerful enough to take away everything you care about.
@ T. J. Hooker
“So Tigger, I know your barb was not meant for me because “A Tigger’s a wonderful thing.”;)”
hehe, I apologise Mr Hooker, messed my numbers up, wasnt meant for you, just those dopey trolls. You sound like one of the good guys =)
Up yours!… Darth mandy >:(
Look at that!! What happened to power to the people?
Digital police controlled by privates companies??
Guys this look like a mix between Robocop and 1984 movies!!!!
This is so lame…
Ha! This goes agains every democratic guanrantee ever and it’s not like you can say it’s a war and pass a patriotic act…
We are at war.
They came uninvided with the sole purpose of making money out of something they didn’t invent.
No goverment owns it no corporation has any rights to it.
I rumember 89 when they started oh so gently and now in 09 they are passing their LAWS on us.
WAR.
sorry for my pure english..
@ 149 novaman
you would nt know communism if it bit you on the ass, so shut the f—k up. Thank the western free market capitalism model for bringing u unethical greedy corporation c—s.
Friends
I was brought up with the adage ‘If you don’t vote you cannot complain on the outcome’
So when the election comes USE YOUR VOTE don’t depend on others to do what is necessary.
Do this while we still have the right to it.
VOTE
So glad i live in the US but feel a sense to help those british ppl if this goes live, i find it retarded that with other issues being much worse such as war, famines and global warming they are worrying about file sharing if you really look at it its just like school your sharing knowledge to the many people that want it. Cant beleive a 15yr old is more mature and civilized the a British Lord or Entertainment Industry. No matter what they will never be able to rid of piracy.
It has been unkindly said of his Lordship that he understands better than others the operational functionality of a “three strikes” rule since, in the days before his ennoblement, he twice had to resign from a government position on account of his having done nothing wrong.
The time is near! When our peaceful protest of pirating content to make a point, that the corporations have too much power, and they tell our government that are supposed to represent the people, what laws to make and when to use them, the I say the government is dead, time to pick up your guns and revolt against the greedy money driven bastards who really control the world! THe time is ripe for real revolution, of the bloody kind…
The Secretary of State is an idiot’s office, why would they make him(her) powerful. Reminds me of how everybody Hitler in power to get rid of the brownshirts (when he the brownshirts were started by him). How do we know these RIAA fuckers and the Secretary of State aren’t in league with each other. J’Accuse!!!
The Secretary of State is in essence Hitler, after this.
Wow what a waste of time…
like ive said before, arent there more important problems in the world than online piracy, you know such as poverty, sickness, and people starving?? Never mind about saving the world, lets go after pirates.
Hey didn’t Hitler create the brownshirt problem so that they would vote him all this power? So how do we know that the Corps and Secretary of State aren’t making up all of this pirate bullshit up just to get the power? J’accuse!!!! Remember when that bitch the Queen told Francis Drake to make havoc, then she put a warrant out for his arrest. The Secretary of State is nothing more than a “Queen Hitler” with a trite, unimaginative, inneffective solution.
And you ppl keep arguing with the trolls! (Neo and Reasoned, yes I’m talking about you two!)
Haven’t you ppl learned anything? Neo & Reasoned isn’t here as a non-partial, single human being reacting; they are here to propaganda for “the mafiaa”, thats right!; you don’t even deserve the CAPS.
To argue with them is to be defeated. Because they drag you down to their level of intelligence and beat you with experience!
To argue is to lose, to take action is to win.
Learn it, live it, do it; they do it to YOU!
SNF – Stupidity Never Fails
@204 Reasoned Mind
[quote]Good. Don’t. Millions upon million of others will, all around the world, year after year as always. And as long as you stop stealing stuff online, you’ll have nothing to worry about.[/quote]
So by your own admission, those creating content will continue to make large amounts of money even if some people (a minority of people), do not buy the product? How is boycotting the product (and not spending money), any different from sharing the product (and not spending any money)? According to you, content creators will still make large sums either way.
This is bullshit. How can they just introduce this?
Fuck you Mandelson!
Brits! Stand up for your rights! man, this law is fucking dictatorship! Don’t let the capitalist kill our beautiful democracy!
Here in Denmark, the development is going in the complete opposite way than in UK. The Danish anti-piracy group called “anti-piratgruppen”, shut down because they could not make the pirates into cash cows, cuz everybody the sued took the cases to supreme court and got massive lawyer aid by the pro-piracy group “piratgruppen”
Also numurous Danish artist are praising piracy as a good thing, the whole opinion on piracy i Denmark is undergoing a revulution!
Any1 in for a massive DDOS attack on BPI???
Three letters guys: I2P. The way forward.
Don’t kid yourself that your any better off in the United States, since shortly after 9/11 all traffic coming, and going to all major hubs has been duplexed. This is why the head of the NSA put the amount of data they were recording a month at petabytes(PBS “The Spy Factory”) A raw stream of information is copied over to the NSA’s computers where it is run through the machines. E-mails, texts, and voice conversations that get flagged then get a listen by analysts who either pass it on for further review or mark it as non-threatening. The key being that a warrant is not required until that first human analyst looks over it. Even then they can hold off obtaining a warrant for quite some time under new FISA terms. That’s if your a citizen. If you can be classified under section 802 of the patriot act your rights pretty much go out the window. They already have the system to look at everything you’ve ever done that travels by unencrypted packet. They’ll just hold onto that until they need it, if they never actually read it then they don’t need a warrant unless the supreme court rules differently.
@2 “sometimes” er no….i have net felt anything but shame at the fact that i am British. Britain has single handedly ruined the world!
@314 if you think t hats bad try living in the UK. I got a letter from the council last week that said “we believe you might be sharing a house or renting a room and therefore please contact us and inform us of your living situation so we can arrange an inspection”. I live in a big house with my wife and those cocksuckers will think up anything to get inside and snoop around my home. sometimes i feel like i want to explode with rage at some of the crap that we put up with. They are so fuckin lucky that i do have something to lose otherwise i might just be kicking some unjust ass!
Holy mommy, Batman! This article comment section has become huge!
Don`t sue me for mentioning copyrighted stuff without permission please!
Ahem, I see Reasoned Mind and his MAFIAA friends have smoked some heavy pot in this one. Hardcore delusional ideas. Amusing.
Please, prove the vast majority simply gets stuff for free and never pays for the content. Maybe that happens around you or you chose to see only the people who actually pirate stuff. Just wondering where you gather your evidence because people around me who share also buy. And much more than the ones that don`t share at all.
Evidence people, evidence. I might be wrong since my evidence is based on people around me but we`ve seen many posts here telling exactly the same thing: sharers are buyers, downloads don`t mean lost sales.
Please RM, EVIDENCE.
By the way, I`m currently downloading Windows 7 from openbt (those ones that come with an activator) because I got myself a legal key (by legal means) but my DVD is 14.000 kilometers away from me (abd I don`t wanna spend $15 to have it sent to me). I`m a goddamn thief that is stealing money from the poor and hungry M$ employees children. Right?
So Britain was finally toppled by the Nazis. Well done.
Bah. I’m British and I know that no one can be bothered to stand up to the government now. What’s the point? To much paper work, the government doesn’t listen, and we don’t have the power to do anything against them.
A darknet be coming me’thinks……
heh Britain .. lost respect ?
its the fucking country who was occupying india and africa and iran and sooo on not much more than 30 or so years ago, … human rights ?
buy a history book!
I definitely agree with 266 , it used to be more physical and now its just behind the excuse of law and piracy.
and fuck you all greedy pigass capitalists, when i pay ur fukin damn price to buy a dvd , i wana rip it and give to anyone i want however i want whenever i want .. ur fuckin capitalist rules n copyrght shits are rotten from the roots just aimed to make u fatter pigs than u already are!its about fukin rulin the world like its always been .. digial napoleons and hittlers
don’t buy, don’t share, don’t do nothing.
just eat, sleep and f*ck. that’s it.
to hell with everything else.
jesus loves you.
how much of a back hander has he been paid to try and put this through, lets face it , every politician is corrupt
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Thats pretty crazy, copy write infringement aside the implications of that bill are shocking.
I hope you guys over there get to vote on that crap because WOW.
One of these days the RIAA and MPAA and all the other lables and such will realize its just like telling a child DONT DO IT over and over and over, the more you hold out the more they want what they cannot have.
Make it good, make it easy and people will pay for it… more so than not. You will always have pirates, but just like DRM on video games the harder you make it for the legit users to enjoy high quality legal products the more people are going to turn to piracy, which is very easy.
You Brits must really be regretting given up your guns now.
Pistol Packin MaMa
You Brits must really be regretting given up your guns now.
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guns really won’t help you when they come for you, the only way they would help you is if the neighbors ganged together.All the neighbors will do is stand behind their trees and watch you get filled with lead.
Calling people names doesn’t make your arguement any stronger, for your information.
1. This is theft.2. You admit to being a selfish person who only thinks about themselves.3. You are breaking the law.4. You evidently have zero concept of right and wrong.5. You don’t know anything about hard work or self sacrafice.
I want a a really fancy car, so I think I’ll just go steal it!
…And if it is, do you actually go pay for it? If it’s not, do you remove it from your computer and never watch/listen to it again?That’s beside the point. Bottom line is you don’t get to take whatevery you want for free and decide afterwards whether you like it or not.
Well, for starters, take the fact that you (presumably) aren’t in jail. Society (your ISP) gave you a net connection and assumed you wouldn’t use it for any illegal purposes. Instead, as you have conceded, you use it to rip off the interntainment industry.”Filesharer” is just another, positive way to dress up piracy. Do you produce what you share? If not, it is theft. Furthermore, it’s not information. Looking up something up something on wikipedia is information. These are CREATIVE works. Look it up. They are also copyrighted and don’t belong to you.Jesus christ, how can you be this oblivious to what is is you are downloading?
You can’t even get your own information straight. The only artists that were talking about how piracy is good were the few BIG artists, who are the minority.
Then what I said wouldn’t apply since you aren’t paying for things, you stealing things?
Uhm, printing a book manually by hand and transporting it is much harder than downloading something off a .TORRENT. Internet piracy is much, much more user friendly and thus much more of a threat. In case, it never occured to you, with bittorrent everyone serve’s as a distrobuter, where as in your example there is only one distributed which is much less efficient. Books could not be converted into a digital format, effectively marginalizing their creators.
You never get it do you? What new business model can there be that creates profits for creators? SHOW me a working business model that isn’t just “everyone gets everything for free yayy!”
You’re not retarded and you think people can make money when they aren’t paid? What an irony. Movies and music, aren’t “information”, they are creative works. I think I already explained this to you, but this highlights how dependant piracy is on dressing things up. Anything is okay to download since it’s just infromation. So, if you have learned that content doesn’t fall out of the sky, where do you think it comes from? What about it’s creators, or does the world revolve around you?
Since when was entertainment “every aspect of life”? That explains so much, how people like you think that their happiness the only thing that matter, more important than other people making a living.
Hi, im a pirate. Im too lazy to get a job and I think everything in the world belongs to me, so it I sit my house the whole day, stealing things.
NO one is garunteed to make money, but if people buy their things when they like it (this thing called money), then atleast they will have a fair chance at success.Calling someone a troll doesn’t automatically mean that you are right either.
Thats your plan, to hide behind a tree? Good plan, make sure to bend over when they take the rest of your rights!
@charles
At least you can fight to the death and inflict as many casualties as possible.
Oli, oli, oxen free!
Well, maybe a “better” punishment for piracy would be burning those people alive and order all city people watch it.
p.s. if you havent noticed i was being sarcastic.
“…let us now take our leave of them.They have declared war on cyberspace. Let us show them how cunning, baffling, and powerful we can be in our own defence.” – John Perry Barlow, A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace.
Holly sh*t! When this law will pass – privacy will became crime ) very nice 1984 is now! (((( Fight for your right, till its not too late!
To everyone mocking the U.K…..If you think your country isn’t next, you’re wrong. Watch this space.
You can tell them i’m coming!
And Hell’s coming with me!
They better not keep me from downloading American Idol! The only thing worth watching these days.
… suddenly wakes up from bad dream screaming …
New law to curb illegal downloads
Yesterday, 09:05 am 20.11.09
People who illegally download music and films could have their internet connection slowed down or cut off altogether under new legislation.
New law to curb illegal downloads .The Government said its Digital Economy Bill would ensure the UK was at the “leading edge” of global online industries.
Under the proposed legislation, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) would be required to notify users accused of online piracy.
They would also have to record how many times each subscriber receives one of these notifications.
This would allow the copyright holders to apply for a court order to get the name and address of serious repeat offenders so they can take legal action against them.
But the Bill, announced in the Queen‘s speech on Wednesday and published on Friday, also makes provision for the Secretary of State to direct communications regulator Ofcom to develop tough sanctions for illegal file-sharers.
These could include bandwidth capping – where the user‘s internet connection is slowed down – or temporary suspension of their online account.
The Bill would give the Secretary of State power to require ISPs to impose these technical measures.
Anyone who feels they have been unfairly penalised could complain through a “clear and effective appeals mechanism”.
The Bill also includes a power to amend copyright legislation to deal with any new technologies that emerge in the future.
I feel so sorry for the artist, actors and the companies losing revenue because of illegal file sharing (NOT).
It makes me sick to watch programmes like MTV cribs and see some of the poor singers (some of them second rate) living in such poverty with thier small houses and thier 20 year old ford escorts, no swimming pools or cinema rooms.
living on the minimum wage.
Life must be so hard for them.
I for one would agree that file sharing should be made illegal,but durimg the last ten years has there been really been a great decline in record sales and lower cinema goers.
In fact cinema audiencies have grown and when you see million pound record deals being signed it m
akes me sick.
Long live file sharing
WTF!?!?!
How can they possibly even be CONSIDERING making file sharing illegal? There is NOTHING illegal about sharing your files with others. This means independent artists can’t share their own music with other people and are therefore losing out on their most important source of exposure. Fucking bullshit! This is just giving power to the big companies cos they’re all dying on their arses. Motherfuckers. I’m getting out of here.
WTF!?!?!
How can they possibly even be CONSIDERING making file sharing illegal? There is NOTHING illegal about sharing your files with others. This means independent artists can’t share their own music with other people and are therefore losing out on their most important source of exposure. F**king bulls**t! This is just giving power to the big companies cos they’re all dying on their arses. Motherf**kers. I’m getting out of here…
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Uh! What?
Fuck You! Mandelson – the only way you’ll get my internet ‘is from my cold dead hands’!
Glad I live in Australia – still relatively sane here – for the time being.
Talking about Mandy …
In October 1998, during his first period in the Cabinet, Mandelson was the centre of media attention when Matthew Parris (openly gay former MP and then Parliamentary sketch writer of The Times) mentioned during a live interview on Newsnight, in the wake of the resignation of Ron Davies, that “Peter Mandelson is certainly gay”.
In 2000, Peter Mandelson publicly recognised his long term relationship with his long-time partner, Reinaldo Avila da Silva by allowing photographs of them together.
Mandelson also acquired the nickname “Mandy” by reference to his surname.
Tam Dalyell, while Father of the House of Commons, claimed Mandelson formed part of Blair’s ‘Jewish cabal’ in May 2003. In response Mandelson said: “Apart from the fact that I am not actually Jewish, I wear my father’s parentage with pride.”
In 1999 and 2009, Mandelson was an invited guest of the Bilderberg Group and attended the annual conferences.
And I thought Britain hit the depths with the Stolen Generation Stalinist policies. Wow…whatever respect I had for that once-free country has just gone down the drain. If they pass this law, they’ll deserve it, and I will avoid ever visiting Great Britain, for reasons of simple fastidiousness.
as in the words of one George Lopez, F**K That Puto. it will never get passed if it goes to parli, they have much better things to worry about, like the bridges breaking in some place in england. oh where for art thou British Empire these days, they used to own nearly everyone and their dog, now look at them.
this is your key to understanding the issues….
https://nodpi.org/2009/11/23/uk-and-12-other-member-states-issue-statement-on-telecoms-reform-package/
“UK and 12 Other Member States issue Statement on Telecoms Reform Package
November 23, 2009 by Paladine
Filed under: News
Almost two weeks ago I was sent a draft copy of a statement the UK had sent to the Council of Europe which it wanted the Council to publish on behalf of all member states. The statement was based on how the UK would like the Telecoms Reform Package to be interpreted by Member States (MS) and contained a few paragraphs twisting the intent of ammendments to Article 5(3) of Directive 2002/58/EC with regards to informed consent.
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https://nodpi.org/forum/index.php/topic,1268.30.html
Calm down people!
We’re talking about about England…small, impotent, insignificant England. When Latvia enacts a similar law, then I’ll start to worry.
England…bbbbwwwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a bunch of losers…
“355 Nov 24, 2009 at 06:18 by Brudda
Calm down people!
We’re talking about about England…small, impotent, insignificant England. When Latvia enacts a similar law, then I’ll start to worry.
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ROFL Brudda, You clearly dont understand any of this, its not about England, and theres clearly nothing “insignificant” about any of this…
its the United Kingdom, its about the use of Deep Packet Interception in the core networks to collect, collate, and make derivative works of YOUR data, yes your data , just because you perhaps happen to be outside the UK borders or the US boarders for that matter, does Not mean Your data will not be intercepted, collected and passed on to 3rd partys,if you use any websitea etc inside the UK, and that includes the mass data sharing agreements that the UK and the US Govenments have in place right now…
if you were to actually follow the threads and related information come to light in the last year or two it would become clear to even you with a little thought that at its core, this latest move has very little of anything to do with anti-piracy,behavioural advertising, or even anti terrorisminitatives.. these things are merely a convenient label to use so their core initatives can justify Deep Packet Interception to collect and build up their data base initatives, with the added side benefit that 3rd party companies around the world can then trade in its derivative works, and use it to create new commercial income by ‘pirating YOUR data for commercial profits’ ,a criminal offence in the UK and the US, and several other countries BTW….
dismiss it as just “insignificant England” at your peril.
time will tell, but while you sit on your arse doing Nothing and dismissing the obvious implications , others in the EU and the UK understand the Uk’s Nu Labour and conservative backer long term thinking, and see whats coming ,they are trying to make a difference, and if they do you and all the lazy bums that are to stupid to think beyond your next meal never mind actually use your net connection to contact and help inform,or even just officially complain in writing directly directly to your EU reps….
will benefit from these hard working ordinary peoples taking the time to actually find do the right things…. to make a real difference and change the game…
its simple, make it far more costly for/to the Govt people putting these things through than it is to let them get away with it one more time, that means use the laws that already exist against them, and point out every single time they break them…..
using the RIPA criminal law with its prison term upon conviction to actually prosecute the the UK BT Executives for mass ‘commercial interception and piracy for profit’ being the current CPS inactive case in point….
UPDATE:
https://nodpi.org/2009/11/23/uk-and-12-other-member-states-issue-statement-on-telecoms-reform-package/
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UK and 12 Other Member States issue Statement on Telecoms Reform Package [UPDATED]
November 23, 2009 by Paladine
Filed under: News
Almost two weeks ago I was sent a draft copy of a statement the UK had sent to the Council of Europe which it wanted the Council to publish on behalf of all member states. The statement was based on how the UK would like the Telecoms Reform Package to be interpreted by Member States (MS) and contained a few paragraphs twisting the intent of ammendments to Article 5(3) of Directive 2002/58/EC with regards to informed consent.
Today I have been sent the final statement which is now supported by 13 Member States along with some explanations of what this all means. My source within EU Parliament states:
The relevant part, not crystal clear but presumably meant to bless the current practice of silent placing of 3rd party cookies etc, is: “However, as indicated in recital 52( a) {66} , amended Article 5(3) is not intended to alter the existing requirement that such consent be exercised as a right to refuse the use of cookies or similar technologies used for legitimate purposes.”
They go on to explain that the lobby pushed the statement to be published on behalf of the entire Council (as mentioned above) but that the final statement has only been made on behalf of 13 states after Council refused to accept it on behalf of all member states:
AUSTRIA
BELGIUM
ESTONIA
FINLAND
GERMANY
IRELAND
LATVIA
MALTA
POLAND
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
SPAIN
UNITED KINGDOM
However the introductory text to the statement is almost a carbon copy of the draft UK statement I received over a week ago, so it is clear that the UK have been the driving force behind the declaration.
My source goes on to explain that from a legal standpoint the statement is “without value” as all member states are required to change their national laws to reflect the revised text of Article 5(3) and also enforce those laws. I have also been assured that should a case go before the European Court of Justice relating to issues covered under 5(3) the EU Court of Justice will not take such a unilateral statement by some Member States into account, further:
EU law applies equally across the EU, not differently in different MS. It’s also bad practice – all MS adopted the text unanimously almost a month before the statement and the statement was issued in connection with another Directive.
The only stake the statement has in the overall gameplay is that it:
may give the lobby some leverage when they proceed to discuss the new text and its implementation with national DPAs etc, so the focus is now shifting on transposition of the revised text, possible Commission and DPA guidelines and ultimately enforcement.
In closing, I would like to add that I am dismayed that the UK Government is displaying such blatant regulatory capture even when dealing with matters in the Council of Europe. It has been suggested to me that the IAB may have initiated the call for this statement from the UK Government, who are already the subject of infringement proceedings by the EU Commission for failing to protect consumer’s rights to privacy with regards to Phorm Inc.’s behavioural advertising technology.
It is clear that the UK Government place a higher priority on the convenience of companies to be able to make money from personal data than the fundamental right to privacy of the people who elected it. I am relieved that this statement did not win full support of the Council and represents just under half of the entire Council of Europe – but it is clear that the UK Government have allies within the Council and the public will need to continue lobbying very aggressively in order to continue to be heard.
[UPDATE]
It would seem that Commissioner Vivian Reding is displeased at the attempts by the above Member States to change the interpretation of the ammendments to 5(3). In a speech given yesterday on the matter the Commissioner stated:
Second, the question of cookies. Now the Commission was, like Mr Harbour, surprised that certain Member States appeared to call the agreed text on cookies into question. Let me be very clear: we agreed with Parliament, and we believe that the final text is unambiguous. First, there must be clear and comprehensive information to users on the basis of which second users must give their consent. That is that and that should be applied now in the Member States. I do not appreciate it that after everything has been agreed, some like to manoeuvre in order not to keep 100% to the agreements pacta sunt servanda in politics.
[Source: Approx. 3m 52s into the recording - taken from yesterdays Electronic Communication Networks and Services Debate (Second Intervention) ( 18:05:05 > 19:00:58)]
The Commission seem to be very clear on the matter that informed consent must be obtained, regardless of the statement by the 13 member states listed above.
(I have chosen not to publish the documents in order to protect my source, but I am sure the statement will be published by Council in the near future).
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What a waste of time… why cant they go play with terrorists or something instead of trying to find people who download.
Fu.ck third-party cookies..!
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