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US Senator Worries Domain Seizures May Stifle Free Speech

Following on from news of the third phase of ‘piracy’ and counterfeit related domain seizures in 7 months, US Senator Ron Wyden has asked the director of Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to clarify some of the most pressing questions. If the domain seizures are to continue, the Obama administration has to be more open about the need for them and the process involved, he argues.

Earlier this week we broke the news that US authorities had started a third round of domain seizures. This time, it turned out that the actions were aimed at sports streaming sites. In total, 10 domain names belonging to 6 websites were handed over to the authorities.

As with previous seizures, the actions of the authorities were met with disbelief by the sites’ owners and their millions of visitors. The owner of Rojadirecta, one of the affected sites, questioned the legitimacy of the seizure since his site has twice been declared legal in Spain. In addition, many further questions were raised.

Today, we learned a little bit more about the justifications for the “Super Bowl Crackdown” after we obtained the affidavit that ICE agent Daniel Brazier sent to the US District Court. However, the request for a seizure warrant is very generic and leaves many questions unanswered.

Luckily, we’re not the only ones who want to find out more about the lack of due process and the need for domain seizures that comply with the DMCA. US Senator Ron Wyden asks the same questions.

In a letter addressed to ICE director John Morton he voiced his concerns, stating that the seizures are “alarmingly unprecedented” and that they could “stifle constitutionally protected speech.” In addition, Senator Wyden asks the following.


1. How does ICE and DoJ measure the effectiveness of Operation In our Sites and domain seizures more broadly — how does the government measure the benefits and costs of seizing domain names?

2. Of the nearly 100 domain names seized by the Obama Administration over the last 9 months, how many prosecutions were initiated, how many indictments obtained, and how were the operators of these domain names provided due process?

3. What is the process for selecting a domain name for seizure and, specifically, what criteria are used?

a. Does the Administration make any distinction between domain names that are operated overseas and those that are operated in the U.S.

b. Does the Administration consider whether a domain name operated overseas is in compliance with the domestic law from which the domain name is operated?

c. What standard does the Administration use to ensure that domains are not seized that also facilitate legitimate speech?

d. What standards does ICE use to ensure that it does not seize the domain names of websites the legal status of which could be subject to legitimate debate in a U.S. court of law; how does ICE ensure that seizures target on the true “bad actors?”

4. Does the Administration believe that hyperlinks to domain names that offer downloadable infringing content represent a distribution of infringing content, or do they represent speech?

5. Does the Administration believe that websites that facilitate discussion about where to find infringing content on the Internet represents speech or the distribution of infringed content? What if the discussion on these websites includes hyperlinks to websites that offer downloadable, infringing content?

6. What standard does DoJ expect foreign countries to use when determining whether to seize a domain name controlled in the U.S. for copyright infringement?

7. Did DoJ and ICE take into account the legality of Rojadirecta.org before it seized its domain name? If so, did DoJ and ICE consult with the Department of State or the United States Trade Representative before seizing this site in order to consider how doing so is consistent with U.S. foreign policy and commercial objectives

8. In an affidavit written by Special Agent Andrew Reynolds, he uses his ability to download four specific songs on the domain name dajaz1.com as justification for seizure of this domain name. According to press accounts, the songs in question were legally provided to the operator of the domain name for the purpose of distribution. Please explain the Administration’s justification for continued seizure of this domain name and its rationale for not providing this domain name operator, and others, due process.

9. Can you please provide to me a list of all the domain names seized by the Obama Administration since January of 2009 and provide the basis for their seizure?

10. Do ICE and DoJ keep a record of who meets with federal law enforcement about particular domain names? If not, would you consider keeping such a record and making it publicly available, to ensure transparency in government and that Operation in our Sites is not used to create competitive advantages in the marketplace?

The questions above cover most of the concerns that were raised among the public, and it will be very interesting to see how ICE’s director responds. Last time he responded to the domain seizures, Morton made quite a few mistakes, so we hope this time around the answers will be more substantial and honest.

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  • Dirty Harry

    About damn time. Damn US goverment doing the dirty work of Big Corporations!

    • http://anoxona.myopenid.com/ ANoXoNA

      ok. as being from the U.K. , and knowing little about the SuperBowl.

      Q.1. Is the SuperBowl Coverage PayPerView or FTA or Subscription ?

      • Nroste23

        Free to view dude. Theres probably more in depth PPV available

  • Dirty Harry

    About damn time. Damn US goverment doing the dirty work of Big Corporations!

  • Noko

    Let’s all take a moment to thank the Senator.

    • 5318008

      Makes me even happier to be an Oregonian. Thanks Wyden!

      • http://crashsuit.blogspot.com crashsuit

        +1

    • Marcus

      Absolutely.
      Thank you senator and may I say how refreshing it is to see that the entertainment industry hasn’t managed to corrupt everyone in American politics.

      Let’s all hope that he isn’t the only non-rotten apple.

    • Anon

      Absolutely. I wouldn’t be surprised if they cant give him convincing answers. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to use biased studies as excuses too. Even so, he must be thanked for voicing the ppl concerns.

      I’ve read an article that was published today in Brazilian newspaper “Metro” that states that 44% of the Brazilian internet users download music illegally (bullshit, it’s over 90%) and that it [the downloads] is the cause for a 77% drop in sales (they briefly mention that i’s about album sales in the end of the article) of the 50 top sellers worldwide. They even go further and claim that there’s a 12% decline in revenues of the major artists shows citing U2 and Lady Gaga in the process and forgetting to mention that more and more ppl are going indie and that there are freaking artists in Brazil that eat up the revenue of those industry-made international artists. What are the article sources? IFPI. Damned bastards are trying to extend their madness to my country and with the corruption out there it just takes a few million dollars for them to succeed. But guess what, it won’t change a thing!

      As always they fail to mention that digital sales have skyrocketed in the same time period for an astonishing 1000%+ but that ppl are buying much less albums and much more singles. They fail to mention that the digital market in Brazil is outrageous with a track costing almost twice it’d cost in a physical media. They forgot to mention that they reduced the prices of physical albums and they saw a pretty increase in the sales (I can say it from a store I usually buy that told us that since the prices dropped they saw a pretty nice increase in the sales). They forgot to mention they are complete assholes.

      Die already IFPI. Die already US copyright faggots. Ppl are free to do whatever they want with their money. That includes not giving their money to you but to other smaller artists. Morons.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Just comment and tell them that the stuff has been debunked about 20 ways to sunday on Torrentfreak, Techdirt, Michael Geist (copyright Professor in Canada) and everywhere that actually takes copyright law abuse seriously.

        Oh, and tell them to work on their objective journalism. :)

  • Noko

    Let’s all take a moment to thank the Senator.

  • happycamper

    Beautiful.

  • happycamper

    Beautiful.

  • Anon

    bravo

  • Anon

    bravo

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    good news

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    good news

  • bootytape.com

    I was really impressed by the questions posed to the Doj and ICE. They sounded really objected as if the writer had nothing to gain except more clarity on the matters asked about.

    This is a scary thing that’s being done and what really stops these seizures from making us all have to put our wallets in our mouths??

    • bootytape.com

      *objective

    • bootytape.com

      *objective

  • bootytape.com

    I was really impressed by the questions posed to the Doj and ICE. They sounded really objected as if the writer had nothing to gain except more clarity on the matters asked about.

    This is a scary thing that’s being done and what really stops these seizures from making us all have to put our wallets in our mouths??

  • Telala

    “What standard does DoJ expect foreign countries to use when determining whether to seize a domain name controlled in the U.S. for copyright infringement?”

    Wow, these questions are spot on.

  • harpalos

    I guess some US citizens are ashamed by the woeful conduct of ICE. It will start to show.
    ..

  • Telala

    “What standard does DoJ expect foreign countries to use when determining whether to seize a domain name controlled in the U.S. for copyright infringement?”

    Wow, these questions are spot on.

  • harpalos

    I guess some US citizens are ashamed by the woeful conduct of ICE. It will start to show.
    ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Someone should ask the senator how downloading things that are supposed to pay for equates to free speech. Also, I wonder if he realizes that effects HIS country’s economy? Does he realize that artists are essentially powerless to stop people from pirating their work? Does he know that, in today’s world, anything that is released will be pirated to hell and back, making it very difficult for new artists to make money?

    We tried to do this the easy way. We tried sending them letters. We tried putting great legal digital downloads. We tried making copyright law as clear as daylight. But none of that did anything and now the government is forced to finally put the boot down.

    “About damn time. Damn US goverment doing the dirty work of Big Corporations!”
    Uhm, it would only be “dirty work” if it was illegal. On the contrary, they are upholding the law. Has it ever occurred to you that not everything related to copyright is a conspiracy?

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Down boy! Put that muzzle on before going back into your kennel.
      Didn’t your mother tell you it’s wrong to tell lies and spin a web of untruths?

      Getting upset at an elected politician for trying to uncover the truth about what government agents are doing is a rather telling sign of panic and a strong indication you know what’s going on with this viciously unfair attack on innocent filesharers is quite simply wrong.

      The copywrong MAFIAA are losing this war every step of the way. Wise up, modernise and move on brother.

      • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

        Talk about untruths.Someone who downloads copyrighted material is hardly innocent nor is the site that allows them to do so.

        No matter how much file sharers don’t like it, making everything free is not going to be the future. Downloading everything you want without paying a cent isn’t a very brilliant business model contrary to popular belief. The copyright industry HAS updated itself. Haven’t you heard of online market places like Itunes and netflix?

        The only one who needs to wise up is you, sitting in your reality proof bubble and thinking that all that matters is that you have free things.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          Yada yada yada….
          You distort the truth in the name of greed, and deny people the right to choose whether their purchase is value for money = FAIL

          You want people to blindly purchase content without knowing whether it’s any good = FAIL.

          You want people to buy the same item they’ve already purchased simply because the technology has allowed you to block the content = FAIL

          You want people to purchase content from decades ago, and prefer to deny access to that culture if they’re not prepared to pay = FAIL

          You trash important content that some people want and deny them access to it via copies simply because it’s not profitable = FAIL

          And when people attempt to see whether the content is worth paying for, you pursue them through the Courts as if they’re a freakin’ criminal = EPIC FAIL

          With your deluded view of the World, you probably believe in some imaginary all-powerful being that controls your morals and behaviour = FAIL.

        • Donotreply

          Who is the bigger thief and villain against the progress of humanity; the copyright ‘holder’ (note that this is not always the same person/people created the content copyrighted [eg Warner/EMI/Sony/etc as opposed to the actual artist on the front of your precious CDs]) or the person copying a product via few weblinks?

          Some reading material worthy of your perusal before you answer this question: http://questioncopyright.org/promise

        • Ninja

          I’m with Rob here, you are a failure Murdock. When I read “Downloading everything you want without paying a cent isn’t a very brilliant business model” it became clear you are either completely a clueless copyright crusader or you are some MAFIAA underling. You have just repeated what those fools keep yelling over and over and that is a complete and utter lie. If you browse TF you will find an article about a package of software developed by some (previously) unknown company that made money out of free (pay whatever you want scheme). Last time I checked their average was above US$ 7.00 per license achieving over 1.8 million dollars in revenue. Sound good for you? And when they saw ppl were still downloading via bittorrent they ASKED why and found out that some ppl would rather get via bt. They didn’t sue. They ASKED. And for your information I have like 15 CDs at home that I haven’t even removed the plastic cover (meaning they were never played), I’m still using the mp3/flac I downloaded. Did I download everything I wanted without paying a cent? Think again.

        • Nilla

          “Does he know that, in today’s world, anything that is released will be pirated to hell and back, making it very difficult for new artists to make money?”

          Funny thing is, most artists I know talk about how they never make anything off album sales. Go to a show and ask any band there what they make from an album sale. The answer will almost always be “nothing.” I’m not trying to justify a point here, I’m just saying that your logic is poor. If you want to support an artist, buy merch at a show or just straight up give them money.

        • Maroan

          My dear, the future is here. Like it or not people want things for free, UNLESS you have something I want to pay for. Right now it doesnt look that way. iTunes and Netflix is a good step in the right direction, but its still not good enough. (Hey by the way, they make TONS of money! How do you explain that?) Not everybody want low quality files, that are crippled with DRMs and cant be transferred from a platform to another.
          Oh, what Im I talking about, these companies are soon passé, UNLESS you show us something we want to pay for….

        • Anonymous

          Itunes – the world’s most popular malware.

        • Scary Devil Monastery

          You really are deficient, aren’t you?

          A number of these sites exist in countries where they are perfectly legal and operate in countries where they are perfectly legal. All of the domain names seized are once again up and running – but this time, most sensibly in a domain where the US has no jurisdiction.

          The only thing which has happened is that the US just lost whatever influence or control they had over the internet as people will now begin exploring the alternatives. Congratulations. As has been said here before, you had one wish on how to exert influence. You wasted it on a lollipop.

        • Anonymous

          Just because file sharing is wrong doesn’t mean that the government can do whatever they want to get rid of it. There are still steps they have to take, charges that have to be filed, and there needs to be a trial. Even if you commit murder and there is no doubt that you committed it, you still need to be charged with the crime and allowed a chance to defend your self in court. What is happening now is that they are removing domain names of sites that have not been convicted of any crime yet or do not even belong in the United States.

        • http://www.whoisbid.com Whoisbid

          It is not a brilliant business model. I agree! It is really annoying when you have spent a ton of money producing something of value, only to have someone swipe it and sell it for nothing somewhere else. I think that those who have never made these kinds of investments will not understand at all.

        • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

          Hmmm, RedHad, mysql, Java, Sun, WordPress, Canonical, Google, YouTube, Facebook, myspace, (should I go on) would all seem to disagree

        • http://www.whoisbid.com Whoisbid

          It depends which side you are on I guess? Your picture is very eye catching. Good move!

        • anon

          Be careful about putting too much info in the old profile there, Eric.
          There are folks here who if they take a disliking to your shilling, may just put your home phone and addy up on 4chan or something.
          Just sayin’

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      Down boy! Put that muzzle on before going back into your kennel.
      Didn’t your mother tell you it’s wrong to tell lies and spin a web of untruths?

      Getting upset at an elected politician for trying to uncover the truth about what government agents are doing is a rather telling sign of panic and a strong indication you know what’s going on with this viciously unfair attack on innocent filesharers is quite simply wrong.

      The copywrong MAFIAA are losing this war every step of the way. Wise up, modernise and move on brother.

    • Citizen!

      If you believe anything that you have written, you are sadly misguided.
      Prove that file sharing is having any negative effect by linking to independent research. Copyright clear? You’ve violated the contract between us by which we granted you “limited” copyright by bribing unethical congress persons. You won’t be satisfied until copyright lasts forever and your great-great-great-great-grandkids are still collecting money for some trash you plagiarised 200 years ago. You steal, from us, from “our” culture, then attempt to lock it up for your own personal profit.
      Go away thief.

    • Citizen!

      If you believe anything that you have written, you are sadly misguided.
      Prove that file sharing is having any negative effect by linking to independent research. Copyright clear? You’ve violated the contract between us by which we granted you “limited” copyright by bribing unethical congress persons. You won’t be satisfied until copyright lasts forever and your great-great-great-great-grandkids are still collecting money for some trash you plagiarised 200 years ago. You steal, from us, from “our” culture, then attempt to lock it up for your own personal profit.
      Go away thief.

    • Godlameroso

      Most recording artists make their money from live performances, also music sales for singles have gone up(even amidst all the piracy), but down for albums. The internet is changing the way we do business, it’s our fault for pushing the technology, but not adjusting our business model. I don’t understand what’s the problem. I pay for TV service, I pay for internet service, plus phone etc. All added up it’s about $160/mo, even then there’s sporting events that I can’t watch, even if I paid for them because they are not broadcasted where I live. Besides doesn’t advertisement sponsorship pay for the broadcast anyway? If I’m watching an internet stream of a channel, then I’m watching the advertisement of that channel as well.

      Every time a private citizen gains control over something, it has to be immediately regulated, everything that isn’t prohibited is proscribed.

      • Anon

        Bingo. But no, they want you to pay for super premium content that’s above your premium cable TV. So uh, yeah, fck them.

    • Some guy

      “Someone should ask the senator how downloading things that are supposed to pay for equates to free speech.”

      – The senator didn’t claim that. He asked whether the Administration believes that LINKING to downloadable infringing content is considered speech. For example, if I tell somebody casually that the people next door to me sell crack, that’s just speech.. I’m not selling them anything.

      “Also, I wonder if he realizes that effects HIS country’s economy? Does he realize that artists are essentially powerless to stop people from pirating their work? Does he know that, in today’s world, anything that is released will be pirated to hell and back, making it very difficult for new artists to make money?”

      – None of these questions are relevant. The issue at hand is whether the current law of the land was followed. If somebody feels that the laws do not adequately protect artists from financial loss, it is their responsibility to contact their elected officials and ask them to draft new laws.

    • Here’s one for you

      Jack off Murdock

    • http://twitter.com/fload fload

      Hey Jack , the world has changed ..this isn’t the 80′s anymore . Tech is so advanced , corporate Jacks should just embrace it . Instead they are pissing of fans and admins. WRONG! . e.g a tv streaming website doesn’t take off ads from the channel, if u think about it they are actually bring in more viewers from the around the globe at same time. The fact that millions of people visit those sites daily shows what the people want. Where is the democracy in taking away what people want ? The best approach is to compete with those sites and offer a similar but better product online rather than trying to control the internets ( haha – goodluck with that Jack) . New tech is so flexible that there is always an alternative way to do anything. Those sites are still on line and would be more difficult to take them down now…what are u gonna do about it?

    • Marfoan

      “We tried to do this the easy way. We tried sending them letters. We tried putting great legal digital downloads. We tried making copyright law as clear as daylight. But none of that did anything and now the government is forced to finally put the boot down.”

      Dear Jack,

      Stop the lies please? And I really do think that the Honorable Senator is doing what should have done for a long time ago: Using common sens. I like the way you write: “We…we..we.” Who are “We”? the big companies? The lobbyist that corrupt our politicians? The insane lawiers like AC:Laws that are only interrested in money? Hey what about us? You see, we are that thing called the mass, the people, and usually we do respect your right to make money, but we cant accept the fact that you have distorded what laws should be, passed copyrights legislations that are not fair, ruined people all around the world, and Im sure theres more. (You name it, Im sure you know plenty!)You want us to buy your products? Fine, but as long as you keep acting indecent, keep lying, this will not be possible.
      And stop talking about the artists not making money. They are the people who are the most screwed in all this, thanks to these oh, so innocent records companies at the very first place.
      Shame on you.

    • Anonimous

      dajaz1.com was sized for distributing MP3′s that in itself isn’t illegal. I hope they take legal action as they had the rights to the MP3′s they where distributing plus the harm that has been dune to their business they should also sue for libel.

      I can’t see how any of this should be of concern to content providers other than you can’t any domain you don’t like the look of.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Kindly inform me how making what amounts as a high-seas highjacking equates “Due process”? Several of the seized domains in question are perfectly legal in the countries where they operate.

      Nevermind, i think i know the answer. You couldn’t care less if someone indulged in gang rape as long as someone told you it was a blow against piracy.

      Fortunately, however, as you will notice, every company who had their domain name seized is now working perfectly fine again. And this time more likely from a domain over which the US has absolutely no access.

      What has been done does not combat infringements in the least. It simply removes a large part of the internet from the reach of government.

    • waha

      None of these points are relevant. The controversy at hand is not whether piracy is ethically sound or not, it revolves around whether U.S.’s impulsive actions were justified in light of the potentially devastating consequences such unprecedented measure might have in foreign policy. The U.S. is exerting an unsettling amount of power with incentives based on its own policies in countries with ordinances which most likely differ in several respects to its, and the thought that such recklessness be allowed within the confines of secrecy is quite disturbing. Also, as Ron Wyden alluded to in his astute questions, a foreign DNS registrar perpetrating similar domain name deference with regards to legal discrepancies on U.S. residing websites would surely not go tolerated.

    • Autonomous

      “Downloading everything you want without paying a cent isn’t a very brilliant business model”

      Well I’m not so sure. I’ve read at least a few books online, published free by the author, and then after deciding that I liked them I gave money *directly to them*. Chances are they got more from me than any royalty they’d have got from if I’d bought the books in a store.

      The only “business model” that stands to suffer is that of the middle-man or distributor. Nowadays, thanks to the greatest copying machine ever, the Internet, distribution is essentially free and therefore those businesses or their models are no longer required.

      And that, sir, is what you are truly afraid of. The model you represent is nothing to do with “creativity” or “supporting the artists”, it’s simply about lining your own pockets at the expense of others.

      The thought of your easy revenue stream disappearing and other people taking control of their own works frightens the Hell out of you.

      But it will happen, so you’d better get used to the idea.

    • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

      That is not really is issue here, atleast not for me, the issue here is that the actions of ICE violate both the 4th and 5th amendments

      In the USA you should not be allowed to seize someone property with out 1> Due process of the law or 2> Just compensation and only then for public use.

      For ICE to become Judge, Jury and Executioner is a slap in the face to all of us who hold our Constitution and system of governance to the highest standards, if the domains are acting illegal, which there is real debate they are NOT infact in violation of the law as it is written, they should be convicted of a crime before the seizure or at the very least be given notice and ability to stand before a judge before the warrant of seizure is written.

      As to your other points, Pricing and Marketing are the key, if no one with willing to pay for your product then it is not the fault of pirates, more than likely NO ONE WOULD PAY FOR YOUR PRODUCT in the first place, piracy or not. they may download it because it is free, but faces with living with out or paying most would probably choose to live with out. So x number of downloads != (not equal for non-programmers) x in lost sales. Many software companies have made out like bandits offering their wares 100% free and using alternative funding sources like the makers of the software this website runs on, it is 100% free, they are supported by Donations, corp. sponsors, paid hosting, and other ventures, the software aids in the sale of those services. Music will have to move away from CD sales and be support not by CD’s but by Merchandise, concerts and other items. That is just the new reality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.boehm Jack Murdock

    Someone should ask the senator how downloading things that are supposed to pay for equates to free speech. Also, I wonder if he realizes that effects HIS country’s economy? Does he realize that artists are essentially powerless to stop people from pirating their work? Does he know that, in today’s world, anything that is released will be pirated to hell and back, making it very difficult for new artists to make money?

    We tried to do this the easy way. We tried sending them letters. We tried putting great legal digital downloads. We tried making copyright law as clear as daylight. But none of that did anything and now the government is forced to finally put the boot down.

    “About damn time. Damn US goverment doing the dirty work of Big Corporations!”
    Uhm, it would only be “dirty work” if it was illegal. On the contrary, they are upholding the law. Has it ever occurred to you that not everything related to copyright is a conspiracy?

  • politux

    Ron Wyden is my new hero.

    Thanks TorrentFreak for solid reporting.

  • politux

    Ron Wyden is my new hero.

    Thanks TorrentFreak for solid reporting.

  • Rocksbox

    Here you go…http://wyden.senate.gov/ron/ ….the link to his webpage and

    Washington, DC
    223 Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510-3703
    Phone: (202) 224-5244
    Fax: (202) 228-2717

    …the address to his office. When one of our electeds actually stands up for the american citizens rights perhaps we should thank him. He needs to know that a LOT of people are concerned about the same things.

  • Rocksbox

    Here you go…http://wyden.senate.gov/ron/ ….the link to his webpage and

    Washington, DC
    223 Dirksen Senate Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510-3703
    Phone: (202) 224-5244
    Fax: (202) 228-2717

    …the address to his office. When one of our electeds actually stands up for the american citizens rights perhaps we should thank him. He needs to know that a LOT of people are concerned about the same things.

    • politux

      I just left him a “thank you” voicemail.

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        And I emailed him this -

        Dear Sir,

        I’ve read of news on your attempts to get to the truth about the recent web seizures by ICE & Homeland Security, and I wish you the very best with your noble cause to protect freedom of speech on the internet.

        There’s an unfair balance of power in copyright law that needs to be properly and fully investigated and addressed by government’s Worldwide and not just in the USA, because the improvements in technology are being viewed as a negative impact whereas in truth it’s a concept to embrace and allow market forces to guide those toward a better society rather than placing a price tag on every item of culture via erroneous copyright law that’s unfit for the 21st century.

        All the best Senator and sincerely,

        Rob…

    • politux

      I just left him a “thank you” voicemail.

    • Ven

      Just want to point out that Wyden merely wrote a few pages asking questions.

      If I was a politician and writing a short letter that could drastically bump my approval rating, while not actually divulging any of my personal opinions on the subject… I would do it in a heartbeat.

      I agree with his questions, as the public does need to know why and how we are torching these domains.

      • Baby Savant

        Yep, it was just a letter with a few questions…

        It was also an extremely RARE (read: pretty much non-existent) action taken by an American politician that (finally!) showed some balls and common sense.

        When watching your government screw over the other countries in the world, it’s an eye-opening delight to find a member of said government willing to stand up and question its actions.

  • name doesnt matter

    Okay, so sites that link to sites that have infringing material? Wouldn’t that be any search engine ever created?

    Secondly, Why not set up a site that links to another set up site that links to another site that actually links to the torrents? Make the chain bigger…

  • name doesnt matter

    Okay, so sites that link to sites that have infringing material? Wouldn’t that be any search engine ever created?

    Secondly, Why not set up a site that links to another set up site that links to another site that actually links to the torrents? Make the chain bigger…

    • Eloh

      Thats kinda what torrent-finder was doing, but they still got seized (back up the next day tho with a different TLD tho)…

  • Bxandypez

    Ron Wyden [D-OR] That’s means Democratic party. Ron Wyden is indeed a hero.
    Okay…here comes the haters!!! Let’m rip…………….

    • Ninja

      Wow, I’ve heard that Political Fundamentalism had arrived in the US but it’s worse than I thought. Actually it doesn’t matter if he’s Republican, Democrat or Teocrat as long as he’s doing his job. Even if I were some sort of republican I would be writing to praise him for his efforts. Get real ppl, life is more than a quarrel between Reps and Democrats.

  • WB3

    Internet Wars: U.S. illegally seized web site, other countries seize or prevent access to U.S. sites. Google.com seized or prevented from access to their domain because they categorize other sites that might provide questionable material. International community bans U.S. domains “.com, .org, etc… ” Foreign ISP’s put a firewall around U.S. ISP’s to prevent any traffic to and from the U.S.

    EFF-> Should at least sue the ICE Agent that provided false information to a judge to obtain a warrant. And we should know the name of the judge that so cursorily signs warrants.

    • Emailyou

      He will be sued, if these websites will get the correct legal approach. He is saying linking websites are illegal (facilitator) which is not the case. In fact ICE will have to buy damage and interest + US internet services will be destroy!

  • Jay

    Interesting how the word “Democrat” doesn’t show up on Wyden’s web page. Ashamed? I would be. Regardless, I’m glad he’s asking tough questions.

    • Bxandypez

      The Bipartisan Tax Fairness and Simplification Act of 2010
      Read the Legislation
      What People are Saying…
      Sponsored by Senators Wyden (D-OR)

      Page 1…..Ron Wyden’s web page….

      You must have missed that one…

      • Jay

        Where’s the word “Democrat”?

        I guess you missed where I said that.

        • Ninja

          Where’s your sanity? When does the political party of some senator matters when they are doing it right?

        • Bxandypez

          Ninja….if you only new what is going on in the USA regarding political parties, sanity doesn’t even enter the picture. That is why I wanted to use the word Democratic. Capital “D”.

        • Bxandypez

          Are you really that small minded? Typical Republican!

  • Anonymous

    LOL, Homeland Jokeurity doesnt have to answer to anyone, except Google maybe, lamo!

    privacy-tools.au.tc

  • Cofree

    Send him a few dollars
    That will show him we are glad to finally have someone stand up and
    ask some questions.
    “The Florida Movement”

  • Sweetoonema

    I don’t understand how you can go to the public library and rent movies, books and music, you can even get ebooks online from the library. All that is fine but when you download music, a book or a movie from a torrent site it’s stealing…….I don’t get it

    • Eloh

      I’ve been asking that same question for a long time. Never got an answer.

    • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

      In the UK public libraries pay a small royalty fee to the copyright holder for every registered loan that’s made. I’m unsure of the actual amount, but I’d guess it’s only a few pennies.

      The same applies to pubs, clubs, restaurants etc who play music. A royalty is paid via a licence fee to broadcast recorded music in public. Again, I don’t know the exact details but these payment systems are indeed factual and in place today.

      Sorry about that guys, coz I suspect such news is seen as unhelpful in our fight to keep filesharing free.

      • Ipiratedyourmom

        There’s also the one copy – one loan system when it comes to libraries – they purchase / pay royalties on a finite number of books, CDs, DVDs, eBooks etc., and when someone withdraws it from the library it is unavailable for anyone else to use, whereas with filesharing limitless numbers of copies can be made without anyone losing out because someone else is using the book / CD / DVD / eBook (yep, it applies to those too – if someone has “checked out” an eBook, that file will be unavailable for anyone to else to download until it is “returned”). In addition, you eventually have to return stuff to a library, whereas with filesharing you can keep it and use it forever.

        That’s why you can’t draw a parallel with the library system when it comes to filesharing – as Rob already pointed out, somewhere along the way royalties were paid, and there are limits on how many people have access to the content at any given time, and for how long.

        On top of everything else, in the UK libraries are supported by taxes – so they’re not technically free, they’re paid for indirectly. Not sure about how it works anywhere else tho.

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  • StevO

    ICE should in no way have anything to do with domain siezures. I think our tax dollars are stretched out enough than to be spending it on something as irrelevent as this. I think stopping anthrax from being spread out through New York would be more of a concern than Britney Spears CDs. I mean seriously, I PAY FOR THIS??? I think THAT says enough alone. Thats what should be brought up to the senator. Check the luggage at the airports for smuggled drugs or smuggled explosives or dirty bombs. The idea that ICE is being used to stop Justin Beber CDs from being downloaded IS A CRIME IN ITSELF. Hell consider my tax money as PAID IN FULL. Since Im being charged.

    • Eloh

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement… hmmm… could that possibly have anything to do with… uh… border security? I guess not. GF tax dollars…

  • Titus503

    Two good news stories in one day! Anime sales up and Ron Wyden trying to get the answers we all want. Maybe there is hope.

  • Ubbsucks

    Big corporations are getting their ass kicked right now in Canada! Maybe it is the start of something new: Governments actually listening to their people!

    Hey, you never know, it may catch on!

    http://www.channelcanada.com/Article5454.html

  • Foff

    Really what does ice have to do with links to copyrighted stuff on the internet? If there was ever an abuse of executive power this is it.

  • nevermindthem

    Nice job Sen.Ron Wyden…for sure ICE and DOJ now are having head aches and making their nose bleed… Obama Government now a days is using force without due process… Many countries will lost their respect of the actions of Obama’s administrations and its starting now…

  • anon

    “We tried to do this the easy way. We tried sending them letters. We tried putting great legal digital downloads. We tried making copyright law as clear as daylight. But none of that did anything and now the government is forced to finally put the boot down.” Murdock, you sounds like a plantation owner lecturing their slaves. How about letting people have their freedom, and as for great digital downloads they don’t even begin to compete with the sound quality of the music being shared via torrents. you want everyone to be satisified with the crap that is commercially available and at the outrageous prices that are being charged. One movie for 25 dollars, on a cheap plastic disc that costs about 10 cents to manufacture. Your slaves want to throw off their shackles & chains. They are tired of paying for you and your kind to retire as millionaires in the Bahamas at age 30, you just can’t compete with the freedom people have found by sharing with one another. Please go crawl back under your rock.

  • Anonymous

    Let this be a good reminder for all those who say they hate the United States for things like this domain seizure goal for commercial reasons. The reason why I would never say the same myself is because at least they do have citizens who can see these same problems and work to rein-in and bring to justice acts done in the name of the United States.

    So the United States administration do make many mistakes but at least they finally got rid of former President Bush and his bad ways. Dropping bombs on Muslims and all that.

    I have seen worse countries than the United States and the odd better one.

  • Anonymous

    Senator Ron Wyden we noted your serious engagement in this issue and thank sincerely. We won’t forget this. I’d like to encourage you to circulate your letter through the press. That way it can be answered publicly too.

  • RFY

    Finally, a politician who is not a complete idiot.

  • Anonymous

    I love you, Senator Ron Wyden. :)

    ICE’s unchallenged overstepping of the laws has me really worried. I’m glad I’m not alone.

  • Anon

    the road to hell is paved on good intentions. They just simplistically found something more devious to screw every American and their league with. since when did American politicians care about freedom of speech? I mean if they did that, wouldn’t they have destroyed the patriot act or something?!

  • Rocksbox

    I think his letter to ICE should go to a wikileaks type site so that more people know what is going on. (The original site is rather busy right now.) After all it’s not about piracy, it’s about controlling the internet population to maintain power. My belief is, that why so many governments are on board. Perhaps governments should take a hard look at Egypt and see what ultimately happens when peoples rights and freedoms are “controlled”.

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  • Predator

    “US Senator Worries Domain Seizures May Stifle Free Speech”

    Oh! he think?

    Not to mention damages the US democracy and it’s constitution since there is no due process. Not to mention damages to the US economy since for now one people will no longer buy Ican controlled domain names, no longer reliable nor secured.

    A domain name is like a property. Who is going to buy US made domains name now? I f you get a US domain name all you need to lose it is a fat ass corporation of parasites to complain about you and it does not matter if the complaint have merit or not because they will be no trial and no jury!

    I think we should Ddos the ICE and the Joe Bitme web sites.

    Anonymous!

  • Tjtistru

    I must now take a second to officially thank the Department of Homeland Security for the education you have recently provided me through your actions of Domain name seizure.

    Do to your actions, through very little searching on my own, (once again thanks to your actions)

    I am now able to watch whatever I want to watch – from 1st week of release new movies – any network broadcast – any sports broadcast – any cable broadcast from a multiple sites in this country and abroad.

    I am now in touch w/ others of like minds and opinions who see your government as a self propagating entity with no service other then unto yourself and that has nothing to do with me the individual that happens to be born and living in said country.

    Most importantly I can now circumnavigate any block you may choose to use to try and prevent my access to any information via any website I see fit to view.

    Thank You.

    TJ

  • N.C.C

    Dear Jack,

    This may seem impossible for you to conceive, but the internet does NOT belong to the United States. The internet, believe it or not, is a network of linked computers sharing information with each other. Do the research on why the internet was invented in the second place.

    Next, I would like to address the next part of your ignorance. These “illegal sites” that you speak of, especially the important controversial seizure of “torrent-finder.com” or whatever, actually crossed national borders. Is the United States Government ignorant enough to waltz into another country and say “f— you, that hurts me!” !? Without legal litigation or court, this would have been a different thing. What (should/would) happen to an illegal immigrant? He/She should get kicked out. Not because they’re a bad person (although that is another topic I am concerned about), but because they didn’t do it legally.

    Therefore, you must be anti-Arizona law (which states that in a situation of uncertainty, the person in question should show their identity etc.), which states that we can get rid of ILLEGAL Aliens (or is it Legal?) by literally kicking them out, which is what they diserve. Harsh, but true.

    I should let you know that if you are pro-government at this stage, you might want to tell them to cover their a–. Can they at least give us an honest answer? (oh, I forgot. It IS Obama)

    TorrentFreak 19/01/11 – “They were all knowingly engaged in the sale of counterfeit goods,” Morton said yesterday, defending the “Cyber Monday Crackdown” domain seizures. “We’re going to enforce the law. It’s that simple,” he added.

    (it is also interesting that he was in no way linking any “illegal” files whatsoever.)

    WRONG. The “goods” stated above were not counterfeit, they were quite ligitimate.

    TorrentFreak 17/12/10 – “My concern now is to get back my domain. Not because I do business with it, but because it was the first domain I bought and the first idea that I developed. It has been mine since then and I WILL NOT give it away because the USA government is testing a new bill,” Waleed said, referring to the COICA bill that would make such domain seizures standard procedure.

    Waleed (who is ironically from Egypt) Gadelkareem is pissed at the United States for f—— with his property. You cannot just walk into someones house and steal their computer, United States Government. That (ironically) would be internation-theft.

    THIRDLY. (ironically, I’m going to use IFPI)

    IFPI, 16/1/2009 – “The digital music business internationally saw a sixth year of expansion in 2008, growing by an estimated 25 per cent to US$3.7 billion in trade value.”

    I will also cite the opposite.

    IFPI, 16/1/2009 – “Collating separate studies in 16 countries over a three-year period, IFPI estimates over 40 billion files were illegally file-shared in 2008, giving a piracy rate of around 95 per cent.” Ironically, this statistic is more than likely 40 Billion .mp3/.flac/etc. files were transferred AT ALL, since they cannot more than likely do a decent statistic. These is merely a show of all sound files transfered.

    Now, I will cite on of my favorite bands, Fleet Foxes:

    Robin Peckner (unknown date) – “I’ve downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records – why would I care if somebody downloads ours? That’s such a petty thing to care about.”

    Of course, this would also show his generous, non-greedy disturbing nature

    Robin Peckner (unknown date) – “I mean, how much money does one person need? I think it’s disgusting when people complain about that, personally.” Most likely referring to the RIAA, who [thankfully] doesn’t support, because of his equal business with Sub-Pop Records.

    And next, I’ll get to the most horrifying part of it:

    This is an excerpt from Guardian.co.uk on 27/6/2009:

    “The operators did little more than ask how you would pay (they wanted $3,000, I believe) and repeated intimidating lawsuit statistics. I sent them a money order for $500, which they returned. I told them I couldn’t pay any more. We discussed whether I might qualify for “financial hardship”, and then I stopped hearing from them, which I didn’t question. I graduated from college and began studying for my physics doctorate.”

    This, reluctantly, explains that the person in question would love to get this settled out, and get back to her normal life. Interesting. Let’s read the next paragraph.

    “And then in August 2007, I came home from work to find a stack of papers, maybe 50 pages thick, sitting at the door to my apartment. That’s when I found out what it was like to have possibly the most talented copyright lawyers in the business, bankrolled by multibillion-dollar corporations, throwing everything they had at someone who wanted to share Come As You Are with other Nirvana fans.”

    As you can see, this isn’t breaking any laws in the states, it’s just pure greed, selfishness, and dirty law practices.

    I am not going to continue. I could for hours. In fact, I am going to use this for my term paper this semester, no matter what grade I get (although edited without language etc., and less biased). I am fervent about this issue and the government needs to stopped an be checked. The constituation states that we can abolish the government if it gets out of hand (which is ironically impossibly, considering our politians would never give up their spots!). They certainly do forget that we elected them.

    - N.C.C.

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