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Virgin to Disconnect Stubborn Pirates, For a Few Minutes

The UK Internet provider Virgin has struck a deal with Universal to offer their customers unlimited DRM-free music at a fixed monthly rate. As part of the deal Virgin committed to doing everything in their power to prevent people from sharing music on its network, including the option of disconnecting persistent offenders.

There really is only one way to stop people from downloading music illegally, and that is to offer an alternative that can compete with file-sharing networks. Today, Virgin announced a deal where the ISP will offer its customers unlimited access to Universal’s music library for approximately 10-15 pounds a month. Whether this is a good enough deal to get people off their old file-sharing habit still has to be seen.

Anticipating on the possibility that not all customers will be interested in the monthly subscription service, the deal between Virgin and Universal also includes an anti-piracy section. That is, Virgin have pledged to go after their customers who share files illegally on BitTorrent and other file-sharing networks.

How exactly Virgin will prevent or discourage illegal file-sharing is unclear but the ISP itself will not spy on the download behavior of its customers or intercept traffic. Instead, they plan to warn those who download copyrighted content, based on evidence provided by third party tracking companies. Those who receive multiple warnings will experience a suspension in their Internet connection, lasting from “a few minutes to a few hours.”

Interestingly, less than a year ago Virgin publicly said that it would never disconnect alleged file-sharers, after they mistakenly threatened some of their customers with such a measure. There is “absolutely no possibility” of being disconnected, the company said at the time. Clearly they’ve had a change of heart.

In addition to this temporary disconnection, repeat infringers might face speed bumps or humps, meaning that their Internet speed could be decreased significantly, a measure that probably wont be very effective as a deterrent. The music industry is nevertheless happy with the deal and hope that many ISPs will follow Virgin’s lead.

“This is the kind of partnership between a music company and an Internet service provider that is going to shape the future for the music business internationally,” IFPI chairman and chief executive John Kennedy told Reuters commenting on the new deal, adding “It also marks new ground in ISPs’ willingness to take steps to protect copyrighted content on their networks, and that sets a very encouraging example to the whole industry.”

Geoff Taylor, head of the BPI was equally delighted about the deal and told the BBC: “It is very encouraging to see an ISP and a record label working together as creative partners. At the same time, the fact that Virgin Media will apply a graduated response system to tackle persistent illegal downloaders demonstrates that graduated response is a proportionate and workable way forward.”

Tomorrow the UK government will release the final version of the Digital Britain report where it will come up with detailed solutions on how ISPs and the creative industries should deal with the ‘piracy problem.’

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  • Mike

    Thats fucking rediculous.
    I’m with Virgin Media.

    /me == Not happy.

  • CLL

    At least this is better than some of the old proposals where the ISP would be allowed to shut off the internet permanently and continue to charge the user, but this still does suck.

    It just makes me sick how willing the anti-pirates are to see a “graduated response” work.

  • Duo

    I’m yet to see the effects of this to give a judgement. But at least the music industry is offering sth in exchange (for monies of course :))

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Instead of 10-15 pounds, spend 3-4 pounds and get yourself a VPN connection from IPREDator, this gets you access to all labels music, no speed bumbs, total privacy and music as well…
    added bonus, giving the labels the finger.

  • wonderwhy-er

    Hmm. Interesting. If that music is DRM-free and access is unlimited for 15 pounds a month then it means that they legalized piracy of their music for 15 pounds a month. Or am I wrong?

    I can download it to my iPod or iPhone, burn it to CDs and share with friends then :) Are they fine with that now?

    Probably not and if not then it will just show that customers don’t want half hearted changes.

  • Anon

    I guess it’s a step in the right direction – the lack of DRM is a major plus and not being charged by the song is great too – but it doesn’t cover anywhere near enough of the available music out there, and furthermore it still relies on those “investigators” using shoddy-at-best evidence. At least the punishment for it isn’t as extreme as total disconnection, in the case that it was accidental then there isn’t too much disruption and, in the case that you do get temp disconnected, it isn’t too troubling – what’d it be, a few hours tops where you can’t use it after months of usage? As said before, these measures shouldn’t be taken for such dubious evidence but at least it quells some of the complaints from the anti-pirate factions.

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    “total privacy and music as well”
    oops, I meant “and movies as well” above.

    Furthermore:
    no threat of even “few minutes to a few hours” disconnection.
    Not limited to just one label, get **all** our rightfully due culture as it was meant to be without f**king copyright extentions.

    DO NOT give your money to the ISPs who partner with the cartels because you are just feeding the music industry monster…instead continue to starve the monster till it finally croaks, then stick a spear through its eye.

    IFPI – Fascist pigs who lied under oath in TPB trial saying every download is a lost sale, same pricks who are hand in glove with the lowlifes who were prosecuting TPB as well as the biased judge.
    BPI – Their sister company.
    RIAA – Pigs central.
    Do you want to support them?

    Keep hitting them where it hurts, they are getting desperate, just means we are closer to winning.

    *Support the indie bands and be a pirate for life!

    ARRRRRR!

  • manky goes to bollywood

    cool story bro :)

  • Anonymous

    I’m flabbergasted that the U.K. is the new Soviet Union LoL

  • Kanine

    Virgin and Universal are part of the MAFIAA. I don’t want any treatment or agreement with fascists and terrorists corporations who are using my money as consumer for fighting all the time against the net neutrality
    and also for taking away civil liberties from me.

    I will not give a dime from my money for these nazi bastards.

  • Anonymous

    By the way I heard BT told the free ride is over, content owners would have to pay them or else LoL

    If you live in the U.K. don’t use BT for anything go somewhere else or else you will be feeding a giant bully.

  • Anonymous

    10-15 pounds per month? Way Way too much money! Especially just for one groups catalogue.

  • pinshot

    This has made me far less interested in the role out of cable in new areas..why dont they accept that people dont want to pay for an industry that is outdated,broken and corrupt

  • Jay

    Any idea in what format the music will be offered ?, most people are asking for .mp3 i guess since phones/ipods/generic mp3 players/dvd players/car stereos can handle those.
    but it wouldnt surprize me if they come up with some format on their own that require their own player (only available on windows ofc).

  • Anonymous

    LOL this is bs

    Back to direct instead of p2p for a while untill virgin has made a mistake and all their customers have gone to sky lol

  • Anonymous

    In other news the DTV(Digital TV) is already in the U.S. and all the puffing off the industry saying it would not put high value content for people without the “Broadcast Flag” didn’t materialized yet so long for the doomsday scenario of the MAFIAA. Of course they are not happy they saw the “Broadcast Flag” as a chance to augment their revenues turning recording machines like TIVO or VCRs into paper weight.

    In Canada TekSavvy is urging their customers to voice they concerns to the regulators a nice article in Boingo Boingo shows you how.

    http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/13/canadian-isps-need-y.html

  • Anonymous

    “Instead, they plan to warn those who download copyrighted content, based on evidence provided by third party tracking companies.”

    All i can say “third party” (easily influenced by the IFPI)

  • jupp

    Well, the title surely catches the eye :)

  • Shaun

    It sounds interesting to me, although that’s a bit pricey – £10-15 for all the music labels and TV shows would do me nicely and I’d gladly pay. Hell, I’d move to Virgin for that

  • dave

    suck defently made by made up from the extremist church of imangary property. rich we denfently know which side your bread is buttered. heres a idea stop geting inovloved in felds out of your experties (not that you have any).

    this facist state must be brought to justice and exposed for what it really is.

    i bet the gov were wait for a problem that this stupid interlectual property could be add to. not one report have i seen in the old media mentions this sideing with the evil enetertament indistry.

    All i have seen is people moaning about there brodband speed (or lack of it) beacuse they fit out the scope that is there too far for a telphone exchange to get it.

    Then they see a optnity to add this preverse stuff to the digital britan bill.

    what the hell dose a distrobution bizz have to do with anything regarding didgital britan. maybe the bill should be called

    To keep the pockets of bribers coated wilest screwing every artist and consmer in the name of the idiots known as britans.

    i hope they fail, and what witha a new voice in the E.U hope full the pirate party can sort out this trash and bring the haters to justice.

    HELL TO THE HATERS AND THERE SURPORTERS.

  • Mr.Afghanistan

    Who on earth will pay 10-15 pound (GBP) for music when they can download it for free from Torrent sites :P

    Stupid algorithm.

    I am sure this won’t work :P

  • minorityof1

    so, do we have any idea how they’re gonna differentiate between legal and illegal torrents?

  • Shaun

    I think they’ll have their own tracker

  • Anonymous

    nope good old logi step broberly, even though it voiltes basic human right.

  • Anonymous

    @21+22 RTFA. Media Library.

  • Matheus Svensson

    I don’t believe suspensions will happen.

    I have a VoIP phone. It has full emergency service support, including address forwarding. There are good reasons not to rely on it as my sole means to contact the emergency services; my modem, router and phone are connected to a UPS, but that won’t help if my ISP’s routers suffer a power outage. However, the first time a crucial emergency service call using a VoIP phone fails because an ISP has suddenly and deliberately cut off someone’s broadband connection over file-sharing, there would be big questions being asked.

    What’s the letter going to say? “Virgin Media are writing to tell you that in two weeks’ time your broadband connection will be suspended for two hours between 6pm and 8pm. If you use Internet telephony, please arrange an alternative means of making emergency service calls during this period.” That would be a good evening to arrange to go out.

  • Sendaii

    It’s a step in the right direction, I suppose. But it’s too little too late.

  • iShare

    15 pounds a month, or 0?
    Which sounds better? Plus having an open router strengthens the fact that sharing is caring, just don’t take the blame for their actions as you have no idea what they are doing.
    Although for extra peace-of-mind listen to eZee. ;)

  • hello kitty

    This is a great idea. Its good for both the customers as well as content owners.
    Infringing copyright is evil.

  • serenity

    So, Spotify, only at a higher cost and with less material. BRILLIANT!!!

  • Sab

    Hah.
    Why should I give the music companies a penny?
    They’re the ones suing everyone, im not going to support other innocent pirates being sued, anyone who does is the real criminal; the moral criminal.
    And I like my movies, TV, games and free software thanks.
    Good effort boys but no, never.

  • Kirsten Collins

    Meanwhile, the trial at the piratebay is not stopping. Now they appealed the decision of the (biased) judge and are looking for an unbiased one for the appeal.

    http://trial.tepiratebay.com

    Even if some newspaper reported that they have lost the appeal, that’s total nonsense and wrong information.

  • hey zeus

    Ive been beyond the point of paying for half ass entertainment that’s not even unworthy of the little money I have. So theres no “jumping on board” for me.

  • Anonymous

    @ 19

    Spellcheck plz. Kthx.

  • Robbing Hood

    Far far too much, just for one labels music.

    I pay Virgin £37 p.m. already, so £47/52 p.m. just for a selection of music which I don’t know if I’ll like is way over the top.

    Say the other “Big Ones” get on board and want “their share”? Whats my bill p.m. gonna be with a full movie/music/apps subs package going to be?!

    Hell, like eZee @ 3 said, a UK based VPN’s going to be a whole lot cheaper.

    I too can’t understand why upon earth have they gone with Universal. Why not Virgin Records, for a much more sensible rate of say a extra £1 p.m.

    Thats £4million(ish) p.m. if all their customers signed up. How much fucking money do these guys want?

    But this is from a company thats got a CEO with ££ in his eyes and thinks net neutrality is “A load of bollocks”

    Well Mr Berkett, try speed humping me, suspending me or ANY other form of bollocks and I’m off. I personally have found I don’t need 20/50Mbs these days and other ISP’s are finally catching up with a reasonable service these days.

    A Telewest/VM customer of 15+ years.

  • Necrowulf

    Thankfully I left virgin a long time ago, it was the crappiest service I’ve ever had!

    8MB was 56K most of the time, constant disconnections, speed throttle at certain times,download limits… I fail to see how the throttling and disconnection will even be any different from what their current service is!

  • Bloggo

    I can see it now, Virgin disconnecting downloaders of “legal” tracks of non-Virgin or non-Universal artists and citing “Piracy”. How will Virgin track these and filter out which files are legal(I’m afraid though the above will ring true and anything not put out by these two labels will automatically be tagged as “Illegal”)

  • J

    After the first few court case where they get sued for breach of contract i.e. paying for a service in which they then cut or limit based on something that is not in the original contract they will change there minds.

    Or if they do change the contract to state that they can do this they will still get sued on alligations here say.

    Should be interesting to watch

    -Jay

  • Anonymous

    Hahahah.

    Poor MAFIAA. They wanted to enact a three strikes law that would permanently disconnected alleged filesharers in the UK, but in the end, the best they were able to manage is convincing a single ISP to temporarily disconnect alleged filesharers for up to a few hours at best. And even then, Virgin might decide to scrap it if there’s too much backlash.

    Which there probably will be, since the “evidence provided by third party tracking companies” is so inaccurate that it’s caught office printers. The number of innocent people wrongly identified as filesharers is going to be immense. The actual filesharers, of course, are either going to either just use a VPN(cheaper than 15 pounds a month), switch ISPs, or ignore the slap on the wrist Virgin gives them and keep going.

    Meanwhile, all the other ISPs are going to watch as customers leave Virgin and scandals erupts for wrongly punishing old couples/dead people/net enabled coffee makers, and think to themselves “Yeah, we really shouldn’t even think about playing ball with the MAFIAA, should we?”

  • Anon

    “I’m flabbergasted that the U.K. is the new Soviet Union LoL”

    The USSR! defending capitalism and repressing communism since 1917! From Kronstadt to The Pirate Bay!

  • Sixty4Bit

    Virgin offer the fastest broadband in certain areas of the UK, who do they expect to make full use of this connection? The only people likely to use it properly are file shares. Exactly the customers they are pissing off with these retarded schemes.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care; I steal my neighbour’s wifi. All is good.

  • Champnos

    Well i thought it was a step in the right direction until i read the price and its also not including all music and films and tv shows! I am with Virgin sadly and their service is apalling. My 20mg connection has never been over 12mb and sometimes is slower than a 56k modem! Yes i should dump it but i dont wanna sign up to new contracts right now as may be leaving.

    Back on track £10-15 is too much we already pay for broadband so should be able to do with it what we like!

  • Tom Allen

    Lol spotify is free.(And legal).
    Virgin suck ass anyway.

  • B

    This has been happening with me for the last two days.

    I’m on their 20meg option and everytime my download maxes out at around 2.3MB/s, my internet cuts out. I have to restart my router to get back online.

    I thought it was a coincidence but no, as soon as that speed hits 2.3MB – bye bye internet connection.

    Came here, read this – I’m in shock!

    Btw, I have never recieved a single warning from Virgin or anything close to a warning.

  • 00ster

    LOL

    How will you know if its a ‘naughty boy your pirating our goods’ speedbump from a common ‘service outage’ type speedbump??

    crystal ball sees immenent subscriber drop off.

  • Champnos

    #43 – Mine has been cutting out almost everyday and i had to reboot router, i thoght id broken the router but seems we are having same issues. I have not received any warnings either and would reject any if i do.

  • Anonymous

    forget it. no one needs to be watching anyones connection unless their suspected of a real crime like luring kids or other stuff thats actually illegal. dont trust the crooks they have not cooperated before what makes you think they will now.

  • SplishSplash

    I’m sure Sky will also follow suit soon also…great

  • M-RES

    Virgin ALREADY speed-bump you if you’re downloading ANYTHING at anywhere near your full capacity for more than 20 minutes straight during ‘peak hours’ (usually between 4pm and 9pm). I suffered from major slow downs while trying to watch BBC iPlayer on Virgin during ‘peak hours’ – after 20 minutes into a half-hour programme the player started buffering every couple of seconds. Stopped the player, waited until after 9pm and it played flawlessly.

    They did instigate a policy of throttling speeds down to dial-up levels for anyone using SERIOUS bandwidth during these ‘peak hours’ and persistent ‘offenders’ were sometimes throttled down for as much as 6 hours!

    THe pissy thing is that Virgin are fibre-optic in cabled areas. They have PLENTY of bandwidth and are supposed to be rolling out 50Mb connections this year (if they haven’t already).

    I used to be a Virgin customer, but the comments of their CEO that Net Neutrality was “bollocks” and their hints at signing up with Phorm coupled with their anti-customer tactics like speed throttling for ANY downloads (not just P2P – ANY traffic at all, even http, ftp, which have killed some of my Linux update sessions in their time) made me dump them in favour of an ISP who was more interested in their customers than a few content providers.

    Factor into the equation that their Customer Service department should more rightly be called Customer Skirmishes, because they seem more interested in pissing their customers off and trying to start arguments than sort out problems and you’ve got one shitty ISP. Don’t go there… you have been warned!

  • N

    Idiotic idea. What about music from independent labels? It’s still technically illegal to share, but it wont be provided on this stupid plan.

    For once, I’m happy I live in America.

  • YLS

    don’t get me wrong, £15 wouldn’t be a bad idea for every song in existence but it isn’t it’s for one labels and not being that deep in the music industry, I don’t know what that covers.

    I think as stated, £15 for a back catalogue or around £5 for a VPN, I think I know what I’ll have.

    Not pleased with Virgin, I have a feeling their port blocking my server atm as well.

  • Jay

    Currently get all the free music I want from places like jamendo and similair sites. The stuff universal is punting, is to be honest nothing that interests me.
    Not with virgin and was round a friend’s house on his 8 mb service that was struggling to reach 1.5 mb, situation normal….
    More into films :)

  • M-RES

    I need to point out that it IS Virgin causing the speed ‘issues’ with their broadband service, because before Virgin bought out all the local cable companies the issues didn’t exist. I was a cable customer from the day they installed it in my area – through 3 successive parent companies, the final one being NTL before Virgin took over and destroyed the service.

    With NTL the 2Mb broadband service had better (and sustained) download speeds beyond the average ‘BT business’ 8Mb connection! And it never mattered what time of day or night you were using it. When Virgin took over their ‘faster’ broadband packages had slower speeds than the old NTL packages. This is totally down to Virgin traffic-shaping and throttling.

  • anon2

    why spend a monthly fee only to find you dont download anything from Universal anyway? surely the way for this type of downloading to work is to only pay for what you download? but then i suppose the old ‘get as much as possible for as little as possible’ option would be at the forefront of Universal’s mind (and any other music/movie company for that matter). getting a little all the time is much better than getting a lot, but not very often. however, i am trying to bring common sense into the discussion and none of the copyright companies seem to have any of that, do they?

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Virgin, the giant fuckups of the ISP world, They don’t have a fucking clue how the internet works and I hope they go the same way as virgin megastores, At least virgin megastores were good

  • Brave D

    This is an interesting step, but really just masked crap. As a virgin customer, their service is good when they aren’t cockblocking it.

    £10-15 a month? Fine for those that love Universal stuff that much, but its still too steep for so little. I’m lucky enough that I’ve more or less opted out of popular music. I look to lesser known stuff that you’ll never see in the charts, a lot of which I can find for free.

    My broadband is mostly used for 360 gaming, which demands the most of my service. Only other thing apart from that that may strain my connection is my anime DL/streaming or US TV show fix. I stick to mostly anime because its niche media, and less likely I’ll get stung for it. Its just not worth their time.

    If they change that price to like £7, considering Universal’s catalogue is only so much, then that would be cool. If £10 included film and music content, then maybe some will bite.Its still a more positive step (beyond the disconnection bs though). It should be interesting to see if other studios etc, do something similar

    Overall, people will find a way around this. People love the challenge.

  • vyvyan

    they have said DRM freebut haven’t cared to tell what audio quality? are they thinking of 128kbps mp3 or some other shitty properitery format for which you will end up paying in some other way. I won’t be surprised if I am correct.

    How long is temparory? Unless they say it all those bastards are not to be trusted, They may conclude 100 years is temparory when compared with duration civilizations have existed.

  • CPWatcher

    No suprise there. Virgin Media and BPI both use the same law firm called Wiggin LLP. Wiggin is a movie/music industry firm who recently brought out a report saying how many billions the UK was losing due to pirates etc.

    Simon Baggs, senior partner at Wiggin, was BPI Acting General Counsel for nearly a year until March 2008.

    So basically Virgin & BPI have been in bed together for some time and are connected multiple ways not just through this law/lobbying firm Wiggin. Do not be suprised if Virgin is leading the charge for ISP’s to police the internet, it has much to gain.

    Also, according to some reports, Virgin have agreed to blacklist file sharing sites for anyone that signs up to this new service. Try visiting TPB or Mininova and you’ll be blocked.

    Who maintains the blacklist? I’ll give you 3 guesses.

  • MTH

    We need tighter controls on internet usage. Many people are destroying the economy through piracy but even worse they are obtaining news and information without the MSM filtering mechanisms. This can lead to a dangerous situation where too many people become aware of the many unresolved issues surrounding 911, federal reserve banking and income taxes and a certain little place in a certain volatile part of the world. I think people should require a license to use the internet, like a drivers license, where people must show that they are responsible members of out community first.

  • Anonymous
  • TinTin

    So basically you sign a contract that enables them to spy on you via “Third party tracking companies”, you download music like the world will end next week, you cancell the contract and you feed the p2p networks later with lots of good quality music.

    I say do it, and feed p2p with all that music later.

  • CoBB

    All I want to see is a graph with the amount of lost buisness from people moving to other carriers

  • FUK SpeedCD..

    I am a Vm customer…

    I pay them for my internet conection…..

    What I do with my conection, is NONE of their business……..

    Vm now want to shaft its customer’s, ( for money )……..

    SHARE C.D’s with your friends !!!!!!

    NONE of HMV’s business…………

    Time for a revolt ………..

    Leave vm …

  • sellingfear

    once they come up with a way to offer all media from all labels and studios on a membership basis I will on board but not this pay a fee from this studio and another for this and if you want this join this other one its bullsh1t

  • Simzy

    i was with virgin for a while then had to move to bt and according the the tech guys , because i have an unlimited connection they dont care what i do with and even recommended i download after midnight “for better speed for downloads”, but the fact that you only get dc/ed for a few hours at most is nothing, but something i do think people should realise is that just by turning on your tv your breaching copyright by watching things like films that are not supposed to be “Shown Publicly” which all films have as a copyright warning means that everyone is breaching it, well i say UP YOURS to all the companies like RIAA

  • JesusHatesLies

    Virgin Media=Painful anal sores.
    Avoid like the plague….

  • Anonymous

    Not flac. No log files, no cue files. Fuck off. Waste of my time.

  • knotwurrid

    I like to think that this a step in the right direction,but for £15 per month, I want ALL music,ALL tv progs and ALL films in the format of my choice.Anything less than that they can kiss my arse.PS bollocks to Virgin by the way

  • Ank

    This is so great!
    they have just destroyed any chance of ever winning a massive lawsuit against filesharers.
    how can they claim they lose X thusand dollars, when the actual price for the service is 15£?

    you know what, if i ever get dragged into court, i’ll just pay the damn 45£ or whatever they are demanding.

    Fail burger in paradise.
    Fail burger and it aint nice.

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  • dairRIAA

    Virgin/Universal are actually pretty smart to do this. Of course it is easy and cheaper just to download everything for free, and music companies would get absolute ZERO. At least this way, they have the potential to make ‘some’ money. Some money is better than zero.

    Are they going to become even more wealthy? Could we be having a glimpse of the future? I don’t know, but at least they’re trying and I don’t think they should give up easily if they have a slow start.

    Personally, I’d like to see a TV show/movies version of this. Absolute ALL you can eat SD/HD tv episodes/movies downloads completely and absolutely free of DRM restrictions. I’d be willing to pay for something like that, but I would never ever pay for something that has restrictions or limitations. It’s all or nothing when it comes to that.

    I don’t even have cable or satellite TV any more because I just download whatever I want for free, without restrictions/limitations, enjoyed at my leisure, and commercial free. And yes, I’d be willing to pay for a service like this.

  • Good Liiiiife

    That is ridiculous. The fuck. How are they going to determine if your pirating or if you doing something else.

    These morons do not understand that like the posters above there are other things that cause high bandwith. Like watching TV, or downloading a couple of programs or ISOs (like Linux).

    Also, its much more popular for user to encrypt their connections anyway so how the fuck would they know?

    Random disconnects are going to do nothing but make the consumer angry, complain and leave ship.

  • Anonymous

    .

  • Anonymous

    NTT have Hikari TV or more well known as IPTV.

    In japan costs $25~$50 and includes:

    - 70 channels.
    - Movies with no commercials.
    - Rental online.
    - Premium channels that I think cost something between $1 and $5 and includes channels with the latests movies.

    If you take the $50 dollar package you will be paying in total $120($50 for the optical connection + $20 for an ISP + $50 for the Hikari TV)

    I think this is going to happen in the U.S. soon as NTT was demonstrating the Hikari TV plataform on CES 2009

  • Anonymous

    ps:

    MTV is included in the 70 free channels so music is no a biggy I guess.

  • Anonymous

    I think people should really but really be looking at the “community ISP” as a solution to this kind of problem, neighborhoods that can afford it should do all the physical part and subcontract someone to manage theirs own connection to the internet. It’s not easy but the results should be rewarding to those who try.

  • Gloomfrost

    Okay first of all, this site is bullshit. Why?

    1. Their ToS is flawed beyond belief, I’ve found multiple grammar/spelling errors. look at this:

    “You agree to not use the Furk.net Services to:

    #3. upload, downloaed, transmit or otherwise—”

    DOWNLOAED? what’s that?

    Second, look at their e-mail:

    the TOS to us at abuse@.

    nice period, no domain yet or what?
    Same thing goes for their “Contacts”
    None of them exist.

    Also, their front page advertisement just tried to put a trojan in my computer, and crashed my firefox.. Firefox caught it ofcourse, but still, wtf is that kind of assault, is it because I was trying to contact them??

    And also, I’ve searched a few movies, and some fake versions come up, like what I did first was “Monsters vs aliens”, and a whole bunch of DVDRips by aXXo and Diamond came up, and if you click the “This torrent was found on” underneath, none of those sites actually have it.. :S

    I call BS.
    ~Gloom

  • Gloomfrost

    Wow lol, wrong topic sorry, firefox restarted, wasn’t paying attention.

  • markie

    It’s not a bad idea. But remember that Universal is just one player in the music scene. If Universal doesn’t have the songe that someone wants there will be piracy. You would have to get all the music companies on board.

  • Turbis

    10-15 pounds? That sounds like a decent price.
    But spotify is free if you can stand the commercials that plays every 20th or so song.
    I’d only try this if it has more music than spotify, because right now spotify is lacking some good shit.

  • a/s/l

    but i don’t want to listen to virgin/universal records bullshit. shove it up your bum.

  • Anonymous

    Unlimited DRM-free music sounds good, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 32 kbps mono mp3. :P Until I can get lossless music, I will not pay one cent for music downloads. In fact, I would be looking for added value over traditional records such as multichannel mix (5.1/6.1/EX) and reasonable pricing in the range of 4-8 euros per 60 minutes of music.

  • me

    lmao…nice one beardy, how to alienate the lions share of your clientele in one go, did you get jealous about the global down turn in business and decide to join them?

  • Aerilus

    sounds like it could be a step in the right direction. depends on how they implement it. based on the record companies history of treating there customers like crap it will probably be a crappy service maybe they will leave it to somebody that knows what there doing to do the dirty work but then that just leaves the question that is constantly in my mind of why the record companies are necessary anymore. the only thing they were ever necessary for was distribution and now that can be handled in a variety of ways.

  • Anonymous

    dont butt in other people’s business when the group of consumers u are hurting is the one that feeds you

  • Phoenix

    Virgin will fail !
    Music Industry will be Angry ^^

  • none

    Vm are crap anyways, have been owed £30 for over a year from them, everytime i mention it they promise they will refund it but never do

    now my 18 month contracts run out and i went to renew it for the new cheaper but higher speed option and they said i have to pay another installation fee of £30!!! even though im a exsisting customer and dont need anything installing

    They cap your speeds at peek times also and have the worst customer service iv ever had to deal with

    Liars & theives sum them up pretty good

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  • Cordelia

    OMG – I’m in the UK.

    So far proxies have served me well but no doubt they’ll be onto that too soon.

    UK is IN BED with America, trust them to be first on something like this.

    UK have some dignity and stop allowing the US to interfere….

    …or go ahead and apply to become the 51st state and get it over with…

  • Cordelia

    Furthermore — ERNESTO you are a very good journalist, particularly impressive if English is not your native lang.

  • Dick

    I cancelled my Virgin Media internet account over 18 months ago -and I’m still connected!!! So, seeing as they cant run their business properly, I’m really not bothered what they say -or try to do.

    Shame they’re the only cable supplier in the UK though

  • Bananas in the Falklands

    woot Britney Spears for £15 a month every month, loving you Richard Branson!

    tag: irony

  • Sumit Khanna

    It’s pretty much the beginning of the end of network neutrality. Communication and free speech and too important to be allowed to be constrained by corporate interests.

    Big media needs to learn their artists are overpaid to begin with; priced need to come down and a new view of copyright law needs to be addressed.

    What happened to artists just being happy others were listening to their music?

    Times they are a changing, but there are so many who just want to hold onto their control.

    For the record, I do buy CDs, but only from independent artists at live shows. I’ve got over 100+. Support local and independent music.

  • steve

    I am with Virgin media and if they send me a letter or disconnect my service I will just move to another ISP, they should increase their charges to include a royalty fee for all the greedy companies and allow people to download what they want. They already shape bittorent traffic and have a download cap isn’t that enough they are total wankers.

  • Mr Innocent

    My contract is up with virgin and i can cancel at anytime without notice which is whats about to happen in the next few days when i move to sky, due to virgin giving my details to some 2 bit Hick of a lawyer who every time you reply to their letters and tell them you are innocent they give you another 21 days ;)
    Although i did mention Davenport Lyons and watchdog in the last letter so i think they’re still mulling that over.
    I have offered them my computer for analysis though but they are still begging money from me for some reason…
    I wouldn’t freely offer them my computer for inspection if i was guilty so i don’t think they are interested in it but they are starting to look as though they are demanding money by menaces which is i think illegal and is a criminal offence unlike the fact i never had their game to begin with. so watch out Mr ACS [f]law because your verging on criminality and demanding money by menaces and threatening behaviour…

    ps : I’m constantly impressed by the articles on this site and read it every day, you need an email alert section where we can be alerted to new stories kinda like google does ;) i would subscribe…

  • Fled

    So whats new. Virgin have been applying the brakes for ages under their FUP(Fair User Policy) this is very handy for Virgin as high end subscribers like mine at £37 per month have there bandwidth moved from the 20 MB to the 2 MB subscribers at £10 per month thus keeping them happy at my expense.Virgins advert states ”Up to 20 MB Connection’ but during the FUP brakes it is then only a 5MB connection ( which is more on the 2 MB..) could this be a legal matter ???

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  • Anon

    Freedom in the UK

    fucking sweet

  • Kye

    I’m sorry, but what the hell is wrong with some of the commenters here?

    I remember torrentfreak being a place for intelligent discussion, and all i see is “Oh, 15 pounds is more than 0 pounds, why would I pay that”. You pay that because MUSIC COSTS MONEY TO PRODUCE.

    Don’t think I believe the record companies are doing it tough because of piracy, I know they’re doing it tough because of their own backwards policies and actions…

    But I really can’t see what’s unreasonable about a 10-15 pound a month fee for unlimited, non-drm music in a common format.

  • Branson Pickle

    97 Jun 17, 2009 at 10:36 by Fled

    So whats new. Virgin have been applying the brakes for ages under their FUP(Fair User Policy) this is very handy for Virgin as high end subscribers like mine at £37 per month have there bandwidth moved from the 20 MB to the 2 MB subscribers at £10 per month thus keeping them happy at my expense.Virgins advert states ”Up to 20 MB Connection’ but during the FUP brakes it is then only a 5MB connection ( which is more on the 2 MB..) could this be a legal matter ???”

    You need to realise that Virgin Media no longer offer a 2mb package, and haven’t done so for 6th months or more. Do keep up.

  • 102

    They can go to hell, i hope they go bankrupt when the customer’s start moving to another broadband service after being disconnected.

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