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Warner Bros, Hotfile and EFF Fight Over Bogus Automated Takedown Requests

The dispute between file-hosting service Hotfile and Warner Bros, where the latter is accused of taking down content they don’t hold the copyrights to, is heating up. The court has accepted a brief filed by the EFF who argue that the automated takedown requests of the movie company represent a threat to free speech. Warner Bros quickly replied and disputes that computers are more accurate than humans, arguing that broad automated takedown systems are not incompatible with the DMCA law.

warnerSeptember last year the Florida-based file-hosting service Hotfile sued Warner Bros. for fraud and abuse.

Hotfile alleged that after giving Warner access to its systems, the studio wrongfully took down files including games demos and Open Source software without holding the copyrights to them. Wrongful takedowns continued even after the movie studio was repeatedly notified about the false claims.

In a response, Warner Bros. admitted the accusations. However, the movie studio argued that they are not to blame because the mistakes were not made in bad faith. As a result, the false takedown requests were not “deliberate lies.”

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) disagrees with this defense and decided to file an amicus curiae brief siding with Hotfile. The filing was submitted earlier this year and the court finally accepted it for entry last week.

In its brief the EFF points out that as a result of the false takedown requests many of Hotfile’s users were denied access to legitimate content, effectively hurting speech on the Internet. Blaming computers for these mistakes is not a valid defense according to the group.

“Warner’s automated dragnet technique, done with admitted knowledge that it would inevitably cause a substantial amount of lawful content to disappear from Hotfile, resulted in numerous takedowns that were not based on a good faith belief that the identified files infringed its copyrights,” the group writes.

The EFF is worried that when copyright holders are not held accountable for these false automated takedowns, access to legitimate content will be needlessly and increasingly censored.

“Any company could sidestep accountability for improper takedowns by simply outsourcing the process to a computer. What is worse, copyright owners would have a perverse incentive to dumb-down the process, removing human review so as to avoid the possibility of any form of subjective belief.”

“The tragic consequences for lawful uses are obvious: untold numbers of legal videos would be taken down, whether or not the uses were fair or even licensed,” the EFF adds.

Warner Bros. sees things differently though, and filed a memorandum responding to EFF’s arguments two days ago.

According to the movie company there is absolutely no proof that they intended to abuse the system. Moreover, Warner asks the court to reject the EFF’s argument that automated takedown systems are incompatible with the DMCA.

“The undisputed record in this case shows that Warner designed and operated its antipiracy system with the utmost good faith, and had no knowledge of any errors at the time it sent the counterclaim takedown notices to Hotfile.”

Automated takedown systems are industry standard according to Warner, and are not incompatible with the DMCA as long as the senders are unaware of any mistakes at the time notices are sent.

“Liability arises only where there is actual subjective knowledge of a misrepresentation,” Warner writes.

Warner continues that there is no support for the EFF’s argument that automated takedown are more prone to mistakes. The movie company adds that the percentage of errors that were discovered by Hotfile was actually quite low.

“Warner’s system is as sophisticated a system as exists anywhere in the world. Indeed, in the time period at issue in Hotfile’s counterclaim, of the nearly one million notices Warner sent Hotfile, Hotfile has identified less than 890 notices that contain errors – for an error rate of less than 1/10th of 1%.”

In addition, Warner cites several examples where automated reviews were found to produce less mistakes than those conducted by humans. As an example that it’s easy for humans to make mistakes, the movie company points to a footnote penned by the EFF in its own brief.

In the footnote the EFF accuses Warner of having a “sorry track record” on takedown notices, citing an incident with YouTube’s Content ID system a few years ago. However, that particular Warner was not the same Warner as the movie company.

“The Warner involved in the YouTube incident is not Counterdefendant Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. at all; it is a record company that has no corporate relationship with Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc., and has not for years,” Warner writes.

“Just because the two companies share the word ‘Warner’ in their names, EFF – presumably through a manual and not automated review – made a mistake, a human error,” they subtly add.

Warner ends its reply by asking the court to deny the EFF’s notion that automated takedown systems are incompatible with the DMCA.

It is now up to the court to decide whether Warner or EFF and Hotfile have the strongest arguments.

The pending case has major implications for the responsibilities of copyright holders when it comes to automated takedown requests. If the court decides that Warner Bros is not guilty of copyright abuse then copyright holders will have very little incentive to prevent mistakes.

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  • Kevibarrett@gmail.com

    took control of their system ,jesus that dont sound good

    • SS

      When these “parasites of the world ” corporations abuse ,lie they call “mistakes, errors”  and other stupid excuses to foolish dumb people , when others doing the same they say is “deliberate ” crime , illegaly etc etc

      Thats the shit wolrd where we all livin , thats the “freedom” thats the “democracy”
      if you have enough money you can do all you want , becouse money makes the rules in this “jungle”

      Just see what another giants of this shit world doing – Microsoft and HP ( Hewlett-Packard) = HUGE TAX EVASION – tipically for riches , they doing this always and after pretend to be respected – F.K YOU  malicious bitches ,you all deserve to be erased form this world

      • GUEST

         That is the U.S. in a nutshell.

        Thanks Obama for putting IP infringement as first priority to your shamble of an economy. Fucking mug.

    • GrumpyGit78

       I have an automated system that scours torrent sites for legal content and downloads them……what?….you caught me downloading copyrighted content?……..sorry, can’t be helped…it’s an automated system…..at the time the download occurred I was not aware of any errors.

      no harm, no foul?

  • thedude321

    As soon as they get their so called ‘rights’, they start abusing them. Just goes to show you the horrors they would bring about if they had access to SOPA and PIPA.

    • Midas

      Automatic sue software, raking in the money. Soon they won’t even be making movies, they’ll just be living on settlements.

      • downunder

         lawyers wouldnt like that… cuts them out of the 200K fees

        and inflated defense costs they seem to keep charging :)

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  • lattari

    I don’t get how there is that much room for debate. The DMCA notices I’ve seen on tpb/legal all contain a sentence: ‘I swear under the penalty of perjury that I represent the copyright owner… ‘. If you swear under perjury and take somebody else’s IP down, how can you not be in trouble?

    Also, Google reported a while back that more than third of DMCA notices were false. This figure Hotfile is claiming, -0,1%, is very small. Still, damage is damage and quantity rarely excuses from liability, if you are doing something illegal. 

    As for: “Liability arises only where there is actual subjective knowledge of a misrepresentation,”, this is hardly the first time this issue is brought up.. 

    • EricPost

      The argument is it is a legitimate mistake not intentional. It’s like perjury in a trail. If you lie but lack intent, say you misunderstood the question, it is not perjury. You made an error. This is the argument. Perjury requires intent.

      • The_Strawbear

        But surely, and as they have admitted, if they *know* the system isn’t 100% accurate then they are aware that *some* of the takedowns will be bogus, then doesn’t that mean that there is intent to lie on at least 0.01% (or whatever it was) of requests?
        The same way as you might say ‘well I need to pull this nail out the wall and I *know* it will take some plaster with it, but I’ll live with the collateral damage.”

        • Dondilly

          The point that is intentionally lost in Warner’s logic. The case may havebeen filed by Hotfile but they are doing so essentially on behalf of their customers. A hotfile customer does not care about warner’s claimed 0.1% error rate. They don’t care about the 999 takedowns that affected aledged infringers files. They justifiably only care about the bogus takedown of their files and that due care was not applied. Also bare in mind that this type of bogus takedown not just about the deleted data. What Warner are infact doing is making slanderous allegations of the uploader/account owner and those allegations put the account holder’s data and subscription at risk.

          It is only thanks to hotfiles dilledgence any attempt to put and end to this is being made.

          How many people have lost youtube accounts due to too many unverified/bogus takedowns????

      • FrostyC

        This is a different type of “mistake” though. There is no reason for written error regarding legal censorship. You can’t say “Oh wait, no I thought it was mine, but it wasn’t.” If you could, I’d try it every time I walked out of a convenience store! Every single notice basically says “I swear this is true”. 890 times it wasn’t. So that itself is a disingenuous action, how do we know that they didn’t remove these files because they were promotion for competitors? Wait. I bet they swear that it wasn’t their intention. Was that an automated “I Swear” too? The burden of proof that this was not intentionally abuse should lie on Warner Bros.

    • Truth

       I would like the CEO’s of these companies to suffer “penalty of perjury” and to then see the error rates.

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  • Byte Master

    All they have to do is hire 20-or-so students to start verifying the take-down requests… work will quickly backlog, but hey… if they’re not reliable, they have to do something!

  • ken147

    Good Guy EFF

  • Pianogamer

    So their error rate is “acceptable”… so who are to argue infringment rates on file sharing sites aren’t “acceptable”?

  • Iguef

    computers are more accurate than humans

    LOL nice joke

    • IDIOCRACY

       Yes that is true, when you ask a computer which watch is better, a broken one that does not run anymore, or one that runs 5 minutes behind, it will answer: ” the broken one” quess why….
      The broken one shows at least 2 times a day the right time, the one that runs behind never shows the right time….
      I guess we all should trust computers whoehahah
      hehe

    • The_Strawbear

      Well MS Word would have started your sentence with a capital C for a start. It would have advised a full stop possibly and perhaps even a comma after your LOL.

    • Hogan

      Someone please help.
      I have Windows 8. Can I use it to drive my four wheel truck?

      Sorry for the n00b question

      • Danny

        Yes

  • Hypersapien

    If they are using a system that they know in advance will result in
    false claims, regardless of whether they know in advance which specific
    claims will be false, then they are guilty of fraud.

  • Guest

    False DMCA takedowns are not compatible with the DMCA. 

    Warner’s automated systems sends false DMCA takedowns.

    Ergo, Warner’s automated system is not fucking compatible with the DMCA. This is the same conclusion the judge will reach assuming he can into logic and isn’t being bribed. 

    • EricPost

      The problem you have to sue to get justice if they file false claims. Who can afford that?

    • Guest

      no brainier right? so they’ve violated the DMCA around 890 times. now we just need to the judge to do his job….the hard part.

      • Colin Carr

         That’s 890 times that are referred to in this case. But maybe there were lots of other false takedown requests to Hotfile from Warner, which Hotfile have failed to spot. Certainly a 0.1% error rate sounds improbably small when Google report that about 3% of takedown requests they receive are false.

        • zenithmaster

          A third, not 3% :)

  • Jimbo

    so automated takedowns are less prone to mistakes, eh? i have read recently of 4 instances of legal streaming videos being taken down by automated systems. people had paid to watch those video streams but were unable to and by the time things were sorted, it was too late. if the courts rule in favour of Warners, they will go even more mad they they do at the moment. in fact, from what i read, most of what the entertainment industries get taken down or removed, they have no right to do so.

  • Any

    it’s about time those DMCA abuses are stopped
    if the whole takedown system can’t be stopped, at least mitigate the damage it does to the internet

  • Heisenberg7

    Guess I can setup a computer to automatically download all of Warner Bros IP.

    “It wasn’t me your honor, the computer did it!”

    • dop

      nice and right excuse but im shure they will label like “deliberate terrorist act “  , im shure you will be jailed becouse they will say you are owner of your computer so you re responsable ,
      They arent responsable for what they doing ! Why ? Becouse they have enough money to buy power , to bribe and avoid laws or making laws to punish others , is simple game calling “capitalism” ,if you can foolish enough people and “steal” enough money you can do all you want … laws ,rules and other things are just lies to foolish and mainpulate others , to keep them away and under control

  • Radioactive

    A carefully executed plan by the Warner Bros. We’re going to take down tones of legitimate software so the ratio of copyrighted content to legitimate files is 100:0 percent. They’re about to be given some Rush Hour 3 in their faces.

  • Guest

    Computers do make mistakes but they only do so when the person doing progaming and inputing of said computer makes a mistake with the programing and inputing etc.. Warner Bros and all other copyright holders who uses a computer to automatically search and file for DMCA requests should be allowed say a certain number of failed DMCA requests as mistakes in each month and then charged a fee of say $25 for each failed DMCA request that was requested by mistake after that.

  • guest

    If warner wins some one should do a mass dmca notice request to youtube again and get a bunch of warners legal content removed lol

    • Guest

      Yeah, I wonder what Warner Bros would say as a reason for the fact that alot of their content has been removed (mistakenly of course) by an automated service. Its all ok for them to use an automated service that falsely takes down content but it sure wouldn’t be allowed for anyone else for that matter to have an automated service to falsely take down Warner Bros content. I sure bet they won’t like it when they are served with their own medicine!!!

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  • Guest

    Dumb idea to challenge the software’s accuracy. What if Warner agrees with the EFF?
    Warner asks for more powers to increase its accuracy. Warner now views your files before it deletes them.

  • Atterthon

    Imagine lifes : 890 lifes drained for error – for an error rate of less than 1/10th of 1%

    but we saved 1.000.000  lol

    what kind of dumb argumentation is that ? layers are geting dumber and dumber these days

    • JohnGaspardo

      The word your looking for is LAWYERS. Guess the movie industry isn’t the only one sending things out into the world BEFORE learning to spell the main idea of your sentence. LOL

      • Sad

         Thats it? thats your comeback? a spelling error? well done you.

        • JohnGaspardo

          I could also criticize your grammar but it speaks for itself….

      • Midas

        Like you never made a typo… What are you trying to accomplish with that comment? Honestly? You didn’t debunk his argument by the slightest. 

        Also,

        >LOL
        >12 years old

      • Midas
        • JohnGaspardo

          Politics is the art of delaying a decision until it is no longer relevant.I’m just having a fun time pointing it out. How can he expect to be taken seriously with the spelling and grammar skills of an 8th grade dropout? I’m already well aware of trolling techniques and therefore find them amusing. The appropriate response to error correction is to accept your error and move on with your fucking life and not try to come up with creative reasoning to excuse failure. I’m sorry but spelling and grammar is not subjective and therefore he has no room to argue about it. Next time learn to proof comments and don’t leave yourself open to attacks. Seriously how hard is it to use spell check?

      • The_Strawbear

        I like that you had to edit that :)

        • JohnGaspardo

          Yeah adding words is different then fixing shitty typos.

        • zenithmaster

          I can’t reply to JohnGaspardo below, so:

          It’s “than”, not “then”. Oh, the irony…

      • ScrewEwe2

        Whet if eh maent to sue teh wrod layers? evrE thimk aboot thot? Damn spilleng notsees era ronning emuck.

        • JohnGaspardo

          What if I meant to say go fuck yourself and instead just gave you the finger ?

      • ScrewEwe2

        For you John.

  • Mat_t

    reported wrong by warner
    until a court acknowledges ANY of their claims as valid or warner can prove they own the content, 100% of warner’s DMCA claims are wrong. 

  • pcGnome

    The internet itself has ruled on the efficacy of automated requests – they are not to be allowed. And there is a sophisticated (and ANNOYING) gate keeping mechanism:

    Capcha – make every DMCA takedown request pass this hurdle first and the problem goes away.

    I’ve said this before – is anyone listening? Apparently not … sigh …

  • Guest

    When companies are destroyed the economy by pushing off services overseas, and they run out of steam doing that.. They now push their efficiency shit over to computers.. And they should take down the entire internet anyhow. I don’t use it that much anymore..

  • Mikey

    I love it… so does the same apply in military action?   As long as we don’t look where the bomb is being dropped it’s ok if only 1% of innocent people are taken out.

    Personally I think even %1 of mistakes is very high… how many companies are now out of business because of one URL or domain has been taken off-line…   

    I wonder what they’d say if an automated system removed all their advertising for the latest release of one of their movies?   Hackers.. challenge?   Warner says your not accountable if the computer acts on your behalf!

    • Ivi

       1% from 100 is one. 1% from milion is?

  • Ivi

    Dear hackers, crackers and people out of USA jurisdiction. Please send ton of false DMCA requests for all content, that Warner Bross is publishing. Sent it for every new movie for reviews, trailers and so on. If anyone asks, reply, that your system for sending DMCA went crazy and by mistake took other content for yours. I think after a while they will try to update DMCA for sure :D

  • Kevin Grech

    Disregarding laws, I’d change the system to leave available unless automated DMCA request proved valid and not immediate take down.

  • Aliena Ferox

    I have admit that EFF’s counter argument about the separate Warner incident was not well thought out at all, especially when they are trying to argue human error vs. computer error.

    That Warner lawyer picked out that flaw in their argument like picking a fly out of soup.

    Anyways, fuck these corporations. :D

    • Anon

      When the EFF and other similar organizations attract the talent that the industries do, they’ll be smarter, better educated, more experienced and with better, more thought-through arguments. Until then we have the EFF.

  • The_Strawbear

    As much as you may despise them you have to find this funny:

    “Just because the two companies share the word ‘Warner’ in their names, EFF – presumably through a manual and not automated review – made a mistake, a human error,”

  • The_Strawbear

    I think over all, my view would be that they need to have a computerised system in and where there’s a certain element of doubt then it is referred to a human overseer to make a judgement call.

    They’d also do themselves an *awful* lot of good if they offered to voluntarily give an automatic cash settlement to anyone who’s links they have removed accidentally.  

  • foff

    Warner you are stupid as fuck.  You can spend time in court and a million dollar deleting a few movies that will be instantly reuploaded orare available elsewhere anyway or you could offer good quality downloads for $1 each and make a million in a few hours.  Forget about piracy and set up a good alternative stupid stupid fucks!

  • Bastardo

    When you rob a bank, it’s a CRIME. When the banks rob you, it’s a SCANDAL !
    It’s a corporate world !

    • Techanon

      Were I live. It’s still a crime if a bank robs you. 
      Last year almost 20 executives of a bank were indicted because the bank unilaterally repactated it’s clients debts.

  • CaptainKidd

     ”In a response, Warner Bros. admitted the accusations. However, the movie
    studio argued that they are not to blame because the mistakes were not
    made in bad faith. As a result, the false takedown requests were not
    “deliberate lies.””

    So I guess I can just make a script and let my computer download random files with names similar to some of Warner Bros movies and if it downloads some of Warner Bros movies, I’ll admit the accusations but refuse that the download was deliberate because it’s not made in bad faith and my computer knows better them me,

  • albie

    Look, guys, here’s the stark reality: due to the uniqueness of every single copyright/patents/licensing/piracy/everything issue, and the real fact that the laws on the books were never meant to be used the way they’re being used by now, that’s reality. These are laws that were written in the 20s and 30s and have barely been touched since. Things like Apple patenting button colour schemes, and our favourite movie studios blahblahblah simply were not and could not have been foreseen then, it’s ridiculous. The first iPhone was released in 2007. Two-thousand-fucking-seven, while the laws concerning who owns how it functions and whose permission is required to share what with it just grow more and more outdated.

    What does it mean? We need one (or all) of three things to move forward:

    1. A lawyer and/or politician to lay out that reality without picking sides between pirates vs. capitalism and push the dialogue forward on how to reasonably sell and regulate patents, copyright, infringement, etc.

    2. A CEO or someone at any entertainment company to take a leap with their business model, doing things like giving away movie downloads and making up for that loss with tours of things like Cast and Crew Q&As, screenings with the writer/director speaking after, physical DVDs/Blu-Rays that include booklets, posters, or more quality physical media you can’t get when downloading, and showing it to be highly profitable.

    3. A Supreme Court judge born in at least the 1980s or later. You know, someone who knows what a computer is and why automated searches for subjectively labelled anythings is just retarded as all shit.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, they have been touched since but the only touching was to expand the patent/copyright laws.

    • Colin Carr

       One detail you omitted, the lawyer, the CEO and the Supreme Court judge have to be incorruptible. That sets the bar VERY high unfortunately.

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    A computer, even with the best programming, is never going to be 100% accurate unless a human is looking over it’s work and double-checking things.

    How Warner Bros. thought that computerized takedowns were going to be a good thing, I don’t know.

    • albie

      Yeah, that’s why I said they’d barely been touched since then. Of course it’s happened, it just wasn’t relevant to what I was saying. When you’re summing up 80 years of legalese (or anything), you have to skim over a few things. Moving on:

      Warner Bros. isn’t alone in automating the process, they are using industry standard practices. And put yourself in their shoes for one moment, or better yet, put yourself in the shoes of whichever IT dude actually had to figure out how to do the job they’re asking. You come into work one day, la de da, and the assignment of tracking down everything on the internet that your company owns a copyright to, everything. No shit it’s done by bots, I mean, fuck. And that’s the reality here; again, it’s not pirates vs. companies, it’s all just people doing stuff.
      (Sidebar: And yeah, sorry guys, but one-tenth of one percent will always ring hollow to judges whose sympathies will never favour what can be so easily made to look like theft, and so complex to explain how and why it isn’t theft. Whether the real number behind the percent is 890 or 890 billion.)Given that the forms are signed with a penalty of perjury, though, there should be real enforcement of human oversight of all takedown notices sent. Real charges and consequences when no person is found to have verified any of the forms that were filed beforehand. There will never be money charged for filing takedown notices in the U.S., and bots will always be the only answer for companies looking to track their shit down, but the automation of the process needs to stop there. Bots find everything, lay it out simply for verification, and a department goes through the links to see if that really is Madagascar 3D on Youtube or if it’s a video of some people at the beach and they just labelled it Madagascar 3D because one of them held a lion doll real close to the camera lens.

  • Dondilly

    The way I see it, while warner’s lack of human oversight is inexcusable , their good.faith defence evaporates the moment they are notified of the false positive takedowns and their scale. From that moment on, it is irrefutable that Warner is acting in bad faith if they continued the same takedown process.

    If they were truelly acting in good faith, automated tools would only be used to shortlist files and those files should then be downl9aded and checked by a human. Then and only then should a takedown take place. It might also put a stop to them killing their own online promo trailers.

    But as it stands who ever authorizes thefalse takedowns should he done for perjury as it is their responsibility to verify.

  • WigFow

    Dude thats jsut downright crazy when you think about it.
    PrivacyFolks.tk

  • Aaa

    wtf they say 1% is not too much and it is ok , when megavideo said that copyrighted material was less than 1% they said no shit and u have to be sued and jailed for that,
    what a fuckers 

  • Guest

    The industry has dumbed down its employees so much that it has to rely on computers now, which isn’t any better..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676827475 Luke Solis

    only 10%? well in the grand scheme of things that will add up to a lot when you start doing take downs for a search engine…

    • tigerkarp

      1/10 of 1% = 0.1% = 1 in 1’000
      Still a shitty error rate though.

      • meowmix

        i think we are behoven to use  names like ‘judge dredd x264 (repack).mp4″ &c on every site we use, including government ones. there’ll be so many takedown notices it’ll show the dmca clowns for the zealot aresholes they are, and hopefully, get something done about them.

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    “Automated takedown systems are industry standard according to Warner,
    and are not incompatible with the DMCA as long as the senders are
    unaware of any mistakes at the time notices are sent.”

    Are they out of their freakin’ minds?!?! That’s like saying if you crash somebody’s car, it doesn’t matter as long as you were high as f*ck, since you were “unaware of any mistakes at the time” you did it.

  • ndmushroom

    I don’t get it. I really don’t. If you take down a work you don’t own the copyright to, you can apparently say “it’s not me, the computer did it” and get away with it. By the same logic, if I design a computer program that automatically uploads all my files on the net, copyrighted or not, can I also claim that “the computer did it” if/when they arrest me for infringing copyright and get away with it?
    And how about those bittorrent site admins? Isn’t it “the computer” that deals with the indexing of the .torrent files? Do they actually sit through each and every single torrent uploaded, to check whether it’s infringing copyright or not? Can they also claim “the computer did it”, and get away with it?

    Thought not.

    • meowmix

      i’ve worked it out, the interwebs has come alive and now is an ai that is fucking with everyone in meat space. go wintermute.

  • Anonymous

    the main issue here is the entertainment industries know full well that they are having content taken down and accounts removed when they have no right to do so. they dont give a flying fuck about it because it stops things they dont like or want on the net from being viewed or downloaded. it also makes them think they are still in control and the harm done to whoever doesn’t matter, as long as it isn’t them. it doesn’t matter whether it’s one file or a million files a month, it shouldn’t happen. until a court has the balls to stop this sort of thing from happening, bringing in serious fines that hurt, not stupid little $25 a time, this is gonna continue.

  • Ace Ace

    “I didn’t INTEND to commit murder” is basically the card Warner is playing here.

    Let’s just stop beating around the bush: go fuck yourself, Warner Bros.

    • Techanon

      If I remember correctly: In the US intent makes the diference between murder 1 and murder 2. 
      Don’t know about perjury. What would it be for unintentional perjury?

      • Guest

        If the MPAA and its relevant companies, like Warner Bros., do not believe in the innocent infringement defence or other similar pleas (as they have done so for most of the people they have sued), then it’s quite clear – there’s no such thing as unintentional perjury.

        Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

      Why do you think they lobby politicians and even hire them into honorary positions, such as Chis Dodd? He probably just has to give a speech now and then and can spend the rest of the time golfing. 

  • http://twitter.com/JerkfaceMcGee Jerkface McGee

    I remember when Warner took down the entire 4chan RapidShares subdomain because it only includes a front page.

    The whole freaking page.

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    If it wasn’t for the EFF, the US would be worse than France when it comes to IP. May they own some fukkers. 

  • dionrook
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    I sure hope the EFF wins…

  • Whatever

    Computers have not evolved to think for themselves and the basic principle of the computer/cpu hasn’t changed much since the first.

    So it is actually very simple.

    Computers do NOT make mistakes unless it has some hardware failure.

    A computer does NOT take any decisions at all. At the (almost) lowest level a computer only ‘decides’ where to read the next instruction based on current instruction and value. That’s all.

    All decisions are previously decided by a human being and all programming is done by another human being. The computer is the perfect soldier, it will follow orders to the pixel (more accare than letter).

    Conclusion: ALL errors on any computer/automated system ever made (excluding hardware failure) were made by HUMANS.

    (don’t know if the MAFIAA can be called human, though)

    My one cent.

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    Money, the worst and most devastating weapon mankind has ever created.

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    Does Hotfile have to allow digital/email delivery of DMCA takedown notices?  If not, why not email WB about each hit its system finds, and only accept paper posted notices signed by the CEO, notarized to stop underlings forging the master’s name.  Don’t try to get money from the big media, just really inconvenience the humans responsible.

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