TorrentFreak

The place where breaking news, BitTorrent and copyright collide

What Would God Say About File-Sharing?

The file-sharing, copyright and piracy debate continues to burn just as aggressively today as it did with the dawn of Napster. When compared to the seemingly endless wars of words over religion, however, it’s only just begun, but the opposing sides in both debates seem equally polarized. So, for an argument that will probably never end, let’s bring them both together.

religionWhile writing about any contentious issue has its pitfalls – and the file-sharing and copyright debate has many – bringing religion into the mix simply has to be a recipe for disaster. While the debate over copying music and movies has seen people argue aggressively over the Internet for more than a decade, at least no-one has been killed in that particular war. Religion really does have the potential to blow up in one’s face, and in the worst cases, literally.

But religion has so many good sides too and much to say on many issues, so what advice does it have to offer on file-sharing? Is it a sin? Or is sharing with one’s peers a supreme act of kindness and generosity?

As I was brought up by a fairly religious mother active in a branch of the Christian church, perhaps a good place to start is with Jesus, and God. Ok, technically they’re the same, but if we’re going to get bogged down in too many details we’ll be here forever. Bottom line – is file-sharing a sin?

The 8th of The Ten Commandments, Thou Shalt Not Steal, seems the closest direct answer to our question but also raises an age-old piracy dispute – is copying theft? In file-sharing circles the answer is generally ‘no’, one has to deprive the owner of the original in order for a theft to have taken place. But is it as simple as that? Isn’t it the purpose of most religions to offer guidance, to provide a moral compass by which one can lead life?

During the latter part of the previous decade organizations such as the RIAA and MPAA were very keen to press the moral stance of not sharing files, and have suggested that every copy affects the quality of life of someone, somewhere, in the entertainment business. But what happens when all elements collide – when file-sharing, music and Christians come together?

In 2004 the Gospel Music Association conducted a survey to find out how the Christian music industry had been affected by, presumably, Christian pirates.

“Like all other segments of the music industry, our album sales have been affected by the ongoing music piracy committed by consumers,” commented GMA president John W. Styll. “We went into this study wanting to learn more about our young consumers and how their faith intersects with this vital issue. We were somewhat surprised to find that it does not.”

Indeed, the survey found that Christian teens pirated at nearly the same rate as their non-religious peers during the previous 6 months, 77% and 81% respectively. It’s not clear if those questioned felt that their copying failed to constitute a sin or if they simply didn’t care. Nevertheless, copying hasn’t always been considered a sin.

According to all four Gospels, Jesus himself once took five small barley loaves and two small fishes and multiplied them using a kind of biblical BitTorrent swarm to enable the feeding of 5,000 people. They weren’t starving people, it just wasn’t convenient for them to get food where they were at that moment in time. While they all got to eat a very nice meal it could be argued that local fisherman and bakers wouldn’t have appreciated the slump in business, but there again they could have adapted more quickly and followed the demand……Sound familiar?

While the rule of God is all important to followers of a religion, there are other more earthly laws too, and luckily it appears they can work together.

According to Romans 13:1-7, Christians must obey the laws of the government they live under, which for American citizens means no recording a movie in a theater and definitely no up or downloading. British Christians seem to be obeying the rule of God when they cam a movie but file-sharing in either direction is still out. The Dutch, however, can stay on the good side of the Lord by downloading only for personal use.

All these variations means that making an internationally relevant religious decision is quite a task. But despite their differences, many religions have a similar moral base.

Rabbi Joshua Hammerman writing recently in The Jewish Week on whether or not file-sharing is kosher, says it all comes down to drawing the line between sharing and stealing.

“Before Al Gore invented the internet, I used to lend friends cassette tapes and no one arrested me,” he explains. “So why can’t I do the same thing via e-mail? I’m not selling the material. And as one bar mitzvah student put it to me a few years ago, after having downloaded 800 songs on the old Napster, ‘Being part of a sharing community makes me feel like I’m living out the commandment, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.””

But shouldn’t the ‘spirit’ of Thou Shalt Not Steal rise above all other concerns? We’re back to that wavy line again, the one drawn between stealing and sharing. While the exact positioning of that line might be a throwaway issue for some, it will be of particular interest to file-sharers living in the 97% Muslim country of Saudi Arabia.

Governed under Islamic law with the Qur’an as its constitution, persistent thieves can lose a hand as punishment for their crimes. As it stands, Saudi Arabia does not consider copying to be stealing and instead chooses to fine infringers. Today, RapidShare, 4Shared and MediaFire are in the top 30 most-visited sites in the country. If sharing really did become stealing, expect all that to change.

TorrentFreak reader Pastor Burt Wilkins from God’s Church of Faith contacted us a couple of weeks ago with a nice email. While we can’t take credit for the work of the Vuze and uTorrent teams as he suggests, his message still stands.

“My life has been divided between the ministry and programming. Right now after 40 years of programming in 15 different languages I am now retired in the Philippines. I am writing you to tell you how impressed I am with uTorrent and Vuze and I am not one who is easily impressed,” he explains.

“It is written in the Book of Genesis, ‘In the beginning God created …..’ This is what you have done. You have created. Maybe the comparison is a bit of a stretch, but as a result of God’s creation billions of people have now dwelled upon the earth and hopefully benefited from the experience. You have joined that special category of special creatures that create and quite obviously millions of people have benefited from that creation.”

“I have now become a user of your program and find what you have created as awe inspiring. You have done something significant and something wonderful. I appreciate and I think understand what you have done and the journey that this has taken you on. I can see your dedication, determination and sense of vision,” he concludes.

Those familiar with the 4th commandment will recognize that by publishing this article today, I am in breach of it, but times have moved on so hopefully most people will forgive me for this particular sin. Time will tell if the various Gods in the universe will choose to forgive those who copy music and movies, or those who merely covet their neighbor’s files.

Related Posts

Previous Post | Next Post

  • Anonymous

    if “god” was to exist, he would slaughter all the thieves

  • Ghostofchris

    God says ‘Sharing is caring’

  • Anonymous

    What if God was one of us? Just a seeder on the bus. Burning CDs in a rush. Combing his hair with a plastic brush…

  • Mr Sarcastic

    Posts deleted already :O

    he really does work in mysterious ways

  • Nate

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaah my eyes.

    What IS this

  • cracktro addictro

    personally, of all the fictitious characters out there to choose to believe in, i like leprechauns. they are small, mischievious, and have a pot of gold stashed somewheres.. whats not to like? i am also partial to democracy (as a fictitious concept), as well as honest leaders/people in power.. to round out my top 3 :DDD

  • Torin050

    “And on the last day, I implanted into the mind of man, the amazing thing that is sharing. Although the greedy will call this… ‘Piracy’.” ~ God

  • lolgod

    God is make believe you *******

    So what would “God” say? Nothing.

  • Sigh

    “While the debate over copying music and movies has seen people argue aggressively over the Internet for more than a decade, at least no-one has been killed in that particular war.”
    Financially ruin the wrong person for downloading a film over the internet and this statement could prove false.

  • Booger Bender

    If God existed as man he would say ” Pirate my Bible” if it’s all just conspiracy then and God didn’t exist then it would have been a trap.

  • Pingback: Tweets that mention What Would God Say About File-Sharing? | TorrentFreak -- Topsy.com

  • AppleDobe

    Greed is bad so sharing music makes them work more, they don’t deserve to be millionaires for a few weeks work making an album , violent movies corrupt people so no shame in ripping off Hollywood , god created everything so he created torrents !

  • RISK

    The Bible has been shared & copied for thousands of years and millions of people have shared it many more times, so, lolzi-speaking: God is a packer, The Churches are the trackers, the priest’s are the seeders and everyone else is a leecher….. So, in those terms, I don’t see why god would have a problem with me downloading the next episode of True Blood :) Amen!

  • KsbjA

    Being a Christian myself, I’ve thought of this as well. For example, is illegally downloading Christian music OK? Would a true Christian artist want to spread his music to places and people who can’t buy it for various reasons? I think yes. It would be inappropriate to choose which ways to access this vital message are good and which – criminal. Same for other (non-Christian) stuff as well. Sharing stuff you have with others for nothing is generous, not evil. Downloading a movie by hacking into some studio’s server probably is stealing, but downloading a movie from somebody who shares it with you certainly isn’t.

    Pros for the bread and fish parallels with BitTorrent – never thought of that. Nice one!

  • Tarapith

    Use your bandwith wisely, my child.

  • Noodly Appendage

    The real question is what would the Flying Spaghetti Monster have to say about it?

  • FrankV

    Religion in general, should be outlawed, there’s NO benefit for humanity at all in it,
    it breeds only brainwashed moronic wackos

  • Acce

    Ok, I’m a student or religious studies and ethics, and this is a cool article lol!

  • NoOneInSpecial

    Afaik in Matthew 10:8 Jesus Christ himself said something along the lines of “Freely you have received, freely you shall give.”

  • Anonymous

    @15

    Well the flying spaghetti monster favoured creationism over evolution so his own religious stance on file sharing would have been intriguing…

  • Big_Bird

    Technically speaking file sharing just allows the shared works to “go forth and multiply” and as far as I know, being a filthy swedish heathen and all, God invented that shit… so I can’t see him having any problems with it.
    So for us not people of the book… what would Buddah, Vishnu and Odin have to say about file sharing?

  • anon

    there is no god…

  • Rabbit80

    “Before Al Gore invented the internet, I used to lend friends cassette tapes and no one arrested me,” he explains.

    Al Gore invented the internet? It’s statements like that which show just how gullible these religious freaks are – its written down / was told to me by / etc… – so it MUST be true (just like God MUST exist because it says so in the bible!)

    In other words – ITS ALL BULLSH1T!

  • anon

    wen refering to god you mean jagger right?

  • war59312

    Who gives a fuck!!!

  • NoOneInSpecial

    @22 What, you didn’t know that Al Gore invented the internet?
    Shush – imbecile…

  • jojo

    “Before Al Gore invented the internet, I used to lend friends cassette tapes and no one arrested me,” he explains. “So why can’t I do the same thing via e-mail? I’m not selling the material. And as one bar mitzvah student put it to me a few years ago, after having downloaded 800 songs on the old Napster, ‘Being part of a sharing community makes me feel like I’m living out the commandment, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.””


    I really like that Raabbi

  • Rabbit80

    @24

    I hope that was sarcasm…

  • Anonymous

    god is dead…he dont care

  • 133t

    btw bible is copy righted too , besides the King James version which is also in a way was copyrighted by king James so it cannot be changed by any one but can be freely distributed , but the yanks have some 50 different version of bible all righted so even if god came and said something on it those suckers are liable to sue even god cause he does own the copy rights for it :|google + bible + copy rights

  • cracktro addictro

    there is no spoon..

    unfortunately, neither is there any common sense applied to judiciary matters..sad

    now, about that spoon…

  • JesusLovesTorrents

    I’m a Christian and filesharer.

    From my own understanding of the gospels and the early church, the concepts of copyright and intellectual property seem to stand in direct conflict with the worship and teachings of God.

    I think God has more of a problem with a multibillion dollar industry that goes after the little guy and tries to maintain a monopoly on creativity.

    A lot of Western Christians have lost their way a bit and consider big business to be a God given thing, when sometimes all it’s down to is taking advantage of your fellow human being.

  • Fight the Power

    If there was a “God” he would have sent all the the Anti-Piracy Groups to hell……. Sharing IS caring

  • Oh no…

    I wonder what God would say about this news article…

    Probably something along the lines of:

    “When I gave Moses the 10 commandments, I expected fraud to come under the category of theft.

    Having said that, file sharing provides more happiness than it takes away, and what with me being a deity and all, I’m a pretty pragmatic guy. If the artists are getting hard done by in this life, I’ll make sure to reward them in the next. If the file sharers don’t realize their hurting anyone and it’s providing them with happiness, hell, I’ll run a seedbox on HeavenNET which is immune not only to human law, but also human interference ;) ”

    He probably wouldn’t use “hell” as an expression, but whatever. I think it’s pretty close to what the G-man would say.

  • Humlan

    Nope, you didn’t break the forth commandment.

    The sabbath is actually SATURDAY, it changed to sundays in christianitys youth, dunno when exactly.

    The point though is, you need to rest some time, otherwise you break apart.

  • DERP

    The idea of god is retarded, religion is retarded (and a scam to take your money).

    It’s 2010, and people still believe in such bullshit, it’s just sad.

  • skybon

    Pointless article as believeing in God is delusional.

  • JD

    The problem with quoting Romans 13:1 is that you linked to a TRANSLATED version… meaning some human interpreted that scripture. The true language is the King James version which doesn’t even say the same thing.

    “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God”

    (It says nothing about local governments, and there is only on power, and that is God).

    Thats the reason why I never have liked any of the translated versions of the Bible. The King James may be harder to read, but its the true version.

    If some Government asked you to jump off a bridge, that would not be right, nor right in the eyes of God.

  • Noodly Appendage

    @19

    Yes, the flying spaghetti monster favours creationism just like the Jews favour Pork

  • Rabbit80

    @36

    You do realise that even the King James version is translated, right? There are plenty of examples of where even this version was translated wrong…

    http://tinyurl.com/35hjcbn

  • Cake

    “According to all four Gospels, Jesus himself once took five small barley loaves and two small fishes and multiplied them using a kind of biblical BitTorrent swarm to enable the feeding of 5,000 people.”

    Lulz. Jebus seeds so seeding is good!

  • dg100

    RISK@12:- That’s quite funny. :)

    It’s a novel again. Sorry. OCD. :/

    I represent no organisation or movement, only myself.

    I’m an atheist and I prefer to concern myself with the potential and demonstrated consequences of my actions, in terms of how they are likely to affect others’ lives, rather than cleave to an arbitrary code of moral prejudgment.

    With piracy, I think the most obvious line between consequential right and wrong is extremely blurry, largely because nobody really knows what the actual effects are – too much is supposition on both sides. The MAFIAA-types automatically assume every copy is a lost sale (or even >9000 lost sales, in some lawsuits), we pirates tend to assume it does no harm because we weren’t going to buy whatever it was, anyway. Unfortunately, I can’t honestly judge the objective truth of either point of view, because honestly-produced, impartial, verifiable evidence is conspicuously absent.

    So I feel forced to look outside the frame of reference, to the wider context and the credibility of the people making those claims.

    I look at the T&Cs attached to every product I consume – T&Cs the copyright community is lobbying hard to push into statutory criminal law.

    I see rules made to be as complex and impenetrable as possible, so I don’t actually know my own legal rights.

    I see rules that deliberately force me to accept caveat emptor, using the letter of one law (copyright) to directly and completely subvert and undermine all our civil rights and consumer protections.

    I see rules designed to artificially prevent me from using legitimately-bought products in whatever way I find convenient and to force me to pay again (often in a myriad of ways) for something I should already have a license for.

    I see rules designed to tie my rights to specific storage-media that are harmful to my world’s ecology and that I absolutely should not be forced to use.

    On balance, piracy wins, quite easily.

    I look at the history of piracy and consider the consequences seen in the past.

    I see copyright when it was invented, stopping the production of cheap, badly-made knock-offs from swamping the books market.

    I see piracy on the UK’s home-computers in the early eighties. Everybody pirated each others game-tapes. I remember the announcement by RARE, then known as Ultimate: Play The Game, the country’s best games-developer, saying that prices would go up from £5 to £10 because even though computer sales were going up through the roof, piracy was cutting sales to unviable levels (that means we started it, BTW).

    I see the Amiga and ST platforms going under because of rampant piracy butchering sales.

    I see the PC games market being sidelined heavily, because despite the highest possible market, almost everybody DLs instead.

    I envisage the balance-sheets of indie products (in any medium) showing profit or loss on the strength of only a tiny number of won or lost sales. Even if piracy only impacts a few sales, those could be the sales that make or break a small independant company, with the resulting economic harm to all the people it supports.

    I see big-business media, with it’s notorious history of immense greed and corruption. I find it difficult to ignore the endemic, infamous exploitation and abuse of creative talents and consumers alike. Or the way creative accounting is used to steal money from taxpayers in the US. Or the way the authorities are bribed into leaving them alone.

    But on balance, copyright wins.

    I look at the current legal campaigning by both sides.

    I see the very aptly-renamed MAFIAA. Naked and public bribery, coercion and corruption on a scale unprecedented in human history.

    I see the legal actions that are nothing more than thinly-veiled criminal extortion and racketeering.

    I see my own government blatantly and openly bribed and threatened into passing MAFIAA-friendly laws.

    Copyright loses, face-down in it’s own bloody shit and God knows they deserve it.

    I look at the currently services on both sides, their availability and accessibility.

    I see a severe drought of archive media. My son can never see what I grew up with or listen to the radio-programmes of my childhood – with the exception of the more prominent shows and productions, it’s all hidden in basements somewhere, never to be seen again.

    I see invasive and disruptive DRM in my legitimately-bought software and the hellish, endless whining of the thou-shalt-not-pirate-videos nagvert spammed at me from literally every DVD I’ve ever bought.

    I see – here in the UK – the near-total lack of good online services provided by most of the copyright industry, barring a few services there are nothing more than a mean and miserable merchandising exercise that represents no alternative whatsoever to bricks & mortar stores.

    I see the BBC iPlayer. Which is the only half-decent online service in the country.

    I see mp3 pricing kept artificially high in order to maintain the perceived value of a shop CD.

    I see Steam Games, with it’s appalling interface, weak forum-based customer-support and no system of refunds for faulty software whatsoever – something basically illegal here in the UK. And I see Steam’s T&Cs designed to bypass my country’s laws.

    I see the torrent community, dedicated to making everything it can find publically available, in whatever media I choose, with very little spam, no DRM, no restrictions of any kind beyond keeping a decent ratio on some sites and using a decent torrent-client.

    Piracy wins. Very, very easily.

    The verdict… is obvious.

    I buy the small independant-company-produced products whenever I can. It’s only right – since they’ve done no harm that I can see, I have no justification to do otherwise. Since I’m mainly interested in indie productions, I have a substantial collection of legit material, even on Steam, as much as I despise the service.

    But Hollywood, the record companies and all the rest of the big players? They have no moral claim against me, none whatsoever. Whatever hypothetical harm they may suffer by my actions, it’s nothing compared to the harm I’d be perpetuating by giving them my money. These organisations are unremittingly wicked and evil, in the old-fashioned sense of the words.

    I will fight them in the only way I know how. I will hurt their business. I will not buy from them again. Ever. I will pirate and perma-seed their goods for as long as I am able.

    Just because, very simply, it’s the right thing to do.

  • Hmmmm

    oddly enough, the bible is very clear on thieving … pay it back four fold. So if a song is .99 cents then four bucks is sufficient. If i can rent a BR movie for a buck then four bucks is sufficient.

    sadly the mpaa & riaa could never accept such notions … separation of church and state etc … LOL

    Big Business runs the senate and congress and oval oriface ….

    cheers from canada

  • Anonymous

    Even if god really exist, they will not get involve into pointless human affairs.

  • Guarantee

    Even if god really exist, they will not get involve into pointless human affairs.

  • Peter

    enigmax, Jesus observed the Sabbath on Saturday so your Sunday post didn’t break the 4th Commandment.
    Just FYI, and maybe to remove any guilt you may have.

  • Erik

    Christianity as a whole is a patchwork of earlier religions so in a way it’s based on sharing

  • LOLZ

    Well I have to admit there certainly is a lot of misguided wack jobs here!

    I think I’ll fit in nicely!

    Oh, and for all you “unbelievers”, don’t be too surprised if one day you find yourself bowing at the knee before jesus christ … who will then send you to the lake of fire, aka the second death or heaven (for believers only).

    ha,from Russia with love (and seedz)

  • Whatever

    If Pat Condell ever looks at this article and comments, he’s going to have a ‘field day’ (if that’s the correct expression in English).

    @39 dg100
    I guess you couldn’t make your comment any longer ? :-)

  • at46

    that wind bag was Pat Condell’s deciple

  • SB

    I think the RIAA et all need to keep in mind “Thou shall not bear false witness” heh

  • cracktro addictro

    @39

    well done. that was a long read, but you covered many points from what seems like a fairly objective perspective.. and the conclusion? sound, of course. but we like minded individuals knew it would be, thus we are like minded. many sharers feel like this is an alternative that has been unintentionally pushed on us, and then of course embraced, by the utter and complete boolsheet tactics used on us for many years… enough is enough. much to the industry’s dismay, we can have what we want and choose to reward the efforts of the deserved, whomever they may be.. f.t.w.

  • Darth_Tater

    you mean clapton?

  • PirateCaptainNo408

    Right under the respond button it says:
    “Please be advised we will not tolerate off topic posts, spam, trolls or personal attacks.”

    Seriously, why post such an article if you don’t want that kind of responses?

    I usually like the articles posted on TF, but this is borderline retarded.

  • Leon

    I never expected to read such a shitty post on this blog. Just stick to what you’re good at and let the religious folks mind their own business.

  • Anonymous

    God heals and causes doctors, hospitals, pharmacists, drug manufacturers, care takers etc.. to lose income. Thief!!!!

  • PirateCaptainNo408

    Also if I were religious I would probably pick a religion with more than one god you insensitive clod.

  • dg100

    @46, Whatever
    Umm… I’ll put my hands up and admit it is far, far too long. I’d edit heavily if I had the option. That one really did get away from me quite a bit. I blame my OCD and the lack of any preview or edit buttons.
    :P

    @lots of posters
    Why exactly are so many here bashing the religious? First, it’s even more off-topic than my usual posts. Second, in childhood, we believe largely what we are taught to believe. Some of us are lucky enough to be brought up in homes where religious fanaticism isn’t beaten into us with a belt, others are not. They may not have the psychological strength to turn away from belief in the supernatural.

    Is it really so hard for you to be charitable? Or at least civil?

    I’m an atheist, so I’m not going to lose any sleep over a few poorly-written insults thrown at the religious, but I do know it doesn’t make any of us – or our beliefs – look good.

    Being an atheist doesn’t justify being an asshole.

  • Doink

    God says:

    ‘Sharing what is yours is caring’

    ‘Sharing what is not yours is theft’

    (thou shall not steal)

  • PirateCaptainNo408

    @dg100: No, being an atheist doesn’t justify being an asshole, but following an imaginary being does!

  • seed plz

    @dg100

    that last line of yours about a-holes was so tru

    so as an atheist, when you die, you won’t be doing the suit and tie thing cuz you’re not meeting anyone important, right?

    just for those like minded souls out there .. it clearly states in the bible that it is appointed unto man, once to die and then the judgment.

    in the meantime, keep on sharing, cuz we all know sharing is caring

  • Bit-beetie-bytie

    Ultimately the majority will rule, and the majority loves file-sharing.
    Hollywood and the MAFIAA would be nothing without the billions that the public gives them—the same public they try so hard to criminalize!

  • Use Your Brain?

    dg100@39 – Very well said!!

    Couldn’t agree more, and couldn’t have been stated in a better rational maner either…very conceivable argumenting!

  • dg100

    [TF, I hope you will please allow a clearly off-topic reply to a direct question]

    @58, Seed Plz

    I’m not expecting to continue existing once the rest of my brain stops working. If I’m wrong then fair enough. I think it serves the world – and any potential supreme being – better if I have the objectivity that comes with a true atheist’s impartial scepticism.

    A god may be a god, but a people – regardless of divine inspiration – are just a people, with all the flaws and errors that entails.

    When most people completely believe in one thing, it is a religion, with all the good and bad that can come from it, a thing that can see it’s mistakes in the eyes of others and conceivably change.

    When everyone completely believes in one thing, it is an enslavement, with no real hope of change. No mistake, no injustice can ever be corrected, because there is no-one there to say “no”.

    If serving the greatest good for the greatest number puts me in a lake of fire, then so be it.

  • Patience

    I think that Nina Paley already gave the definitive answer to this question, http://ninapaley.com/mimiandeunice/archives/thou-shalt-not-steal/433

  • Anonymous

    For me, as a Christian, I’d say something that makes it less black and white would be greed.

    Even if we were just talking about the “Christian” music industry, it’s still all ultimately owned by the same big, mainstream music labels, who tend to be driven largely by greed. Is it a good thing to enable someone’s greed, which is one of the seven deadly sins?

    So, if you pirate, maybe you’re stealing, but otherwise, you might be enabling greed. Moral dilemma?

  • PiRat

    Seriously, TF is becoming retarded.

    Since when is copying, stealing?

  • Anonymous

    “While the debate over copying music and movies has seen people argue aggressively over the Internet for more than a decade, at least no-one has been killed in that particular war.”

    Yet.

  • Anonymous

    “If there was a “God” he would have sent all the the Anti-Piracy Groups to hell……. Sharing IS caring”

    Wait. it’s coming.

  • powerless consumer

    Are you drunk????
    There is no god.

  • Anonymous

    “… using a kind of biblical BitTorrent swarm…”

    I laughed hard. Really, almost rofl’d for real hahahaha
    And man, what weed did u smoke before writing this?!

    Now seriously, this article is really something. Although it doesn’t solve any problems it is something to think about, regardless of religion or religious point of view.

    I’m christian myself, catholic. But I don’t think file sharing is wrong as long as you buy what you really like. Giving priorities and using only spare money for it is ok. And if you think about all that is released every week you can’t possibly pay for everything unless you are rich. And as I said, life has priorities, if they manage to stop file sharing, not all downloads will be converted into revenue since ppl won’t buy anyway. Priorities.

    On a side note, I wonder what Jesus would say about all the lives MAFIAA ruined, all the lobby for their own pockets and against the people… That’s something I would love to know ;)

  • jj

    According to Romans 13:1-7, Christians must obey the laws of the government they live under, which for American citizens means no recording a movie in a theater and definitely no up or downloading.

    No the government is bought and paid for and want to kill us see infowars .com & prisonplanet. com to learn more

  • lmfao

    He would say start seeding i want to watch this movie before easter

  • Kaptain Krunch

    It may come as a surprise for most of you, but commerce is the beast mentioned in Revelations. God doesn’t get his power from money like people do. God’s power is in his purity. So all the greedy in the music industry must go to hell so that they might learn to repent of their wickedness and prepare for judgment so that they might find forgiveness. And commerce must be cast into that bottomless pit where the dragon is forever.

  • JerryGoldsmith

    @ everyone

    Interesting all the people who say “if God DID exist…” and then slam a label on God. Like God is in a box or something. It’s the same with Atheists and Christians alike. Make God out to be what YOU want so God fits the image you feel you need to perceive.

    Now, those files….. they are in a box. Like bread. A Breadbox. And I made a copy of them without paying. I stole them. Because I was hungry. Hungry for good media… for good information… for good tools…

    And yes, I’ve bought some of the very things I ‘stole’. Other things I couldn’t afford, I took.

    So yes, God might say I’m a thief. I dunno. All I know is I’m hungry… so I’ll keep sharing.

  • cracktro addictro

    religion is full of fail…
    as are people who live their lives according to fictitious rules, beings, or other dimensions that they may get to/have to reside in when they die.

    good and evil are inherently within..
    they are neither otherworldly nor mysterious beyond comprehension..

    we already know what is right and what is wrong..

    anyone ever wonder why legality does not equal morality?

  • Yohan Perera

    1. File sharing is not a sin. But if it hurts someone that’s a sin indeed. (So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Matthew 7:12)

    2. Your reference to multiplying the bread and fish has nothing to do with the issue of illegal file sharing. You have interpreted it out of context and offered a mere excuse.

    3. I am feeling sorry for Pastor Burt Wilkins from God’s Church of Faith. I wonder if it’s right to call him a Pastor.

    4. Rabbi Joshua Hammerman: You are more likely one of the hypo-critic Pharisees that lived in Jesus’ day

    5. Christians! stop giving lame excuses. Don’t twist the scripture to your benefit.

  • cracktro addictro

    lols at religious references meant to prove a point or illustrate something… cracktro:9.36pm pacific standard time.

  • Sam

    Im glad to see there are so many smart people out there. It gives me hope. If this article appeared 50 years ago, 90% of the ppl would respond “I love God” and all this other religious bullshit. It gives me a small amount of faith back in humanity to see ppl starting to smarten up and leave this ridiculous religious bullshit where it belongs…in the trash. Religion is the root of most wars and pointless deaths. Its funny how God was against murder and injuring fellow humans, yet more blood has been spilled in the name of religion than anything else on the planet! “Believe in my God…or I will beat it into you by murdering your people!” – that pretty much sums up all religious fanatics thinking. Its so hypocritical – just like the “pro-lifers” who say abortion is murder and then gun down doctors outside abortion clinics. PEOPLE ARE MORONS!

  • Apostle

    Didn’t I read this somewhere..?

    REMEMBER: SEEDERS ARE ALWAYS PROTECTED BY GOD!

    —WWW.EXTREMEZONE.3XFORUM.RO

  • GODISLOVE

    God’s Plan for His Love to unfold upon us has even broken the plane of virtual thought. This Love is boundless.

  • Meh

    Most well written article I have read on TF for a while.

    Nice work enigmax.

  • donnie darko

    God doesn’t give two shits about file sharing. You’re headed for hell pretty much right out of the womb so what’s an mp3 or two or ten thousand?

    Lol seriously, do whatever your conscience is comfortable with. Just be sure it’s YOUR conscience you’re listening to and not the RIAA/MPAA’s commandments.

  • Datahog

    I do remember hearing something in the bible, back when I went to church. Something about how it was okay to have as much as you can eat if you’re hungry and come across a corn field, but it’s not okay to actually take anything for later. Mabye that can be applied here… Or maybe not, I don’t know.

  • Draconian

    Well, actually i dont believe in god. lol

    http://seedthis.info looking for active users and uploaders of any categories.

  • Richard Dawkins

    God delusion!

  • omfg

    tl;dr not interested what so ever in god or his fan clubs

    but according to Godwin’s law you should write another filler post what would hitler think about p2p

    really tf .. god ? wtf

  • Anonymous

    Such is the arrogance of man to think that an almighty ‘God’ would really care about his insignificant life.

  • Jenne

    Sharing IS caring. And I’m sure every deity (excluding a few war gods and such) would agree.

  • Anonymous

    Is it a sin to download a TV show because you forgot to program your VCR?

  • Brianca

    @DG1OO, 100% agreed.
    I’m an atheist, but I also like to keep and open mind to others points of view, even if I don’t exactly agree with what they are saying.

    This article raises some good questions, and the writers got some serious balls for bringing the “R” word up. He wasn’t try to convert anybody, he was just comparing to topics both equally controversial in subject matter and the atheists (my people) are more hostile than the Religious posters for a change. You see the word “religion” and just automatically go into “lockdown:bullshit” mode without even reading the damn thing.

    Aren’t we Atheists the ones who are *supposed* to be open minded because we aren’t tied down by religious constraints?

  • amy

    @88 no it is not a sin from all I have learned. If it were not for piracy after all, the bible would not exist in its present day form or maybe not at all. More than likely it would be bought up by the mafiaa and all copies would be destroyed because of their greed from what I can understand. In kindergarten they tough us sharing is caring, later they try to teach us not to share. If it wasn’t for sharing, we would not have an internet because the select few would have never said “here it is, add content to it”. After they did this a few years later, they started taking things away from it. In the beginning of the internet we had lots of child model sites and after not long, they took most of them away and arrested thousands of people. Basically they are hipocrits because obviously if someone puts something on the internet, they wanted it to be there more often than not. How dare they arrest and sue and etc stuff. Basically Jesus/God preached about religious persecution and that is what basically happened. Don’t be scared folks, re-upload all your content that was taken down. If you share it with someone else and they share what they have, more is available and so on and so forth. Others see this and add to it. Now you have 3 sets instead of just one, etc. Sharing is caring. Share your sets & continue sharing. If you don’t share, they win & thats what they want you to do. They want you to give up which = de-evolution instead of evolution which is abundance.

  • riaxi

    I was at a Christian camp before so I asked the question
    He believed that God would not like it; (

  • Hadyoken

    @91….That’s just it. ‘He’ believed that. Everything is man’s interpretation. Decide for yourself,based on what you know to be right or wrong.

  • dg100

    TF, re: @90, Amy, this appears to be a semi-spam request to reupload images of children from websites that were banned, presumably because their content broke the law. That’s a very different kind of torrent (to say the least) and – wherever TF is hosted – presumably a much higher order of illegality than piracy. At risk of seeming hypocritical, shouldn’t this be removed? I wouldn’t want this site to get into trouble for apparently promoting the distribution of obscene images.

  • Anonymous

    Religion is a sin.

  • Whatever

    Somehow in the US the words republican, greed and religion seem always to go together. That is the group where corporations like MAFIAA get done most of what they want.

    The republican will defend religion with his/her life. If asked about medical treatment for all Americans or a welfare system (sharing) then it’s “not from my money or no more taxes”. (I know, presidents from both sides always supported ‘imaginary property’)

    Religion is mostly interpreted by its users, so it can be used to justify about anything. TF article is a good example, choose the parts that fit best in the story.

    @89 Brianca
    Religious people are just as bad with other views as any atheist. A believe is only taken seriously based on numbers. Who will take scientology, alien abduction, martians, black cats, ancient greek or indian believes seriously, just to name a few. One thing is for sure, religions can’t all be right. At any one time most of the world is praying to the wrong god(s).

  • 1rtrrrtrtrt

    cp!=mv

    cp – share

    mv – theft

  • NoOneInSpecial

    @Rabbit80

    No worries :-)

    Thx for your hilarious comment, btw.

  • 1rtrrrtrtrt

    since when sharing is theft?

    If you even write a perverted law sharing is not a sin.

  • amy_

    93 Aug 16, 2010 at 09:42 by dg100
    i was referring to the legal model sites … Piratebay has them and refuses to give in because they are legal!

  • amy__

    tpb idea is that if they remove legal images then they have gave in to higher powers and have lost the war so thats why they won’t remove them as they are legal

  • R

    Hey how about Satan? What do you think He would say about filesharing?

  • SomeIdiot

    Religion’s differ depending on what you believe in. Wether you be Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever…
    Why should one allow a priest, or a bible of some sort tell you wether or not “God” thinks Piracy is a sin.
    Like i stated before Religion is what YOU beleive in, not what some guy in a hat dictates to you. So the question is, do YOU think Piracy is a Sin?
    If so don’t do it, otherwise what the hell we discussing here?

  • Satan

    Hi. I would prefer if you all would continue to allow copyright to operate as it has. Restricting public access in favor of more expensive/obsolete methods of distribution keeps the cash flowing out of their pockets and into my corporations.

    Most people don’t realize this, but hell actually runs on souls sapped by cults you call “corporations.”

    Imagine the implications if hell were allowed to fail? Think of the jobs lost; the tortured souls set to wander aimlessly. Does Earth have enough souls to afford a bailout of hell?

    Jesus may have copied bread and fish for the hungry, but let us remember that Jesus was a hippy and hippies are dirty and bad for society. Hippies are especially bad for your way of life and pirates are pretty much internet hippies.

    tl;dr file-sharing is the wrong choice. Trust me, I’ve seen it all before.

  • Lachlan Hunt

    What the hell is this about? Why bring preachy religious bullshit into this at all? I really hope this is the first and last religiously motivated post here.

    To be clear, discussing the torrenting of religious material, just like any other, is fine, if the fact that it’s being shared has some notability. Discussing the statistics of it is also fine. But discussing the morality of it from a personal religious perspective just goes too far.

  • AnarchyNow

    There’s no god, jesus never existed at all, Muhammad was the Hitler of his time and religion has never ever done anything good at all (religion=one billion death, and going).
    And no god has created Earth nor anything on it.

  • Anonymous

    @1

    yes he would slaughter the industry thieves and no file sharing is not a crime or stealing thats just maffia propaganda.

  • Kaptain Krunch

    (Re: 101) George Bush JR? I’m pretty sure it’s a safe bet that he is on anti-p2p’s side.

  • DarkFallz

    Religion should not be brought into these types of conversations. Religion is only a way to controll the masses using false promises and profits.

    For this… I do not wish to read this artical or any ignorant bible thumping comments. Its because of religion we are even more messed up in the head then we should be.

    Their is no god, only a over sided ball of dirt with ignorant people wishing to have a higher power grant their “prayers” because life is too hard for them to accept that we live, we work, we create a family, and we die.

  • DarkFallz

    Religion should not be brought into these types of conversations. Religion is only a way to controll the masses using false promises and profits.

    For this… I do not wish to read this artical or any ignorant bible thumping comments. Its because of religion we are even more messed up in the head then we should be.

    Their is no god, only a over sized ball of dirt with ignorant people wishing to have a higher power grant their “prayers” because life is too hard for them to accept that we live, we work, we create a family, and we die.

  • Justice

    With the little I know about god, I feel sharing is good, and god would approve.

    I simply dont have the money to pay for all the stuff i have download, and so, nobody has made a loss as a result of my downloading, in fact, after compleating nfs most wanted, twice, I bought it, it was worth every penny, I dont suppose the people that created it actuly see any of the money, but i felt they deserve to be paid for their work.

    My point is that having downloaded, and enjoyed a game, I bought it.

    thats at leaste one sale that came from torrents.

  • Reggit

    Money is a man made concept and sooner or later it will reach its theoretical limit – especially when you consider the technological explosion we have been experiencing for the last hundred years or so. ALL business models will ultimately fail – what is “piracy” today is the norm tomorrow.
    Keeping this is mind “what would god say” is a deeply subjective question, even if one could answer it today, as society changes the answer is likely to be different tomorrow…
    As interesting as this story is, our focus as a species should not be wasted on the concepts of “money” or “copyright” but should be brought to bear on allowing the less fortunate members of our race to make the same choices we make – we worry about buying or downloading a DVD while millions of others worry about where their next meal is coming from. By the time we have every human on the planet on a level playing field, im guessing technology would have become so advanced there will be no more jobs, or production costs or even money! -Copyright will have become a non-issue =)

    “I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young, and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is none the less true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting. Many a man has borne himself proudly on the scaffold: surely the same pride should teach us to think truly about man’s place in the world.”

  • h33t

    God would say throw the money men out of the temple

    http://www.h33t.com Survivor returns in Nicaragua Wednesday, Sept. 15 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on CBS *woot*

  • The United Hackers Association

    jesus didn’t like capitalists much

    he did throw them out of the temple
    he also states that helping ones fellow man is a tenant of being good

    greed and lust are all sins, and i’ll add it is HIS law above all others that one must obey

  • The United Hackers Association

    @13 you use the word illegal in your premise
    it is mans law not gods you are speaking of
    when speaking of god you must leave mans law and think would god want people to be happy would he wants culture and art to be shared and the absolute ONLY answer is yes and there are too many references in the bible to spreading GODS word to say that to be doing so is no different then spreading others words in a non religious tone that can be saying i’m just doing the same for all things my lord.

    GREED and lust for material wealth on the other hand are sins.
    IT IS WRITTEN.

  • Anonymous

    God would say “Hope the list of deaths and new born are not leaked to torrent”
    :)

  • Ashok

    God would say “Hope the list of deaths and new born are not leaked to torrent”
    :)

  • Yohan Perera

    Pastor Wilkins,

    The Hebrew term for “create” is “bara”. It means creating out of nothing. Tell me, torrent files and torrent software – are they created out of nothing…??? (lol!!!)

    Take my advice and do your home work before twisting scripture and give these people the wrong idea that what they are doing is right with God…

  • Anonymous

    When I was young, Television was nothing more than an antenna and an electrical outlet. In other words, it didn’t cost anything to receive it into your home. You didn’t have to pay overinflated cable costs, etc..

    Sure, there were commercials, and I didn’t mind those. But for television studios to act like we’re thieves in this day in age for downloading something that they used to give us for free, well, that’s just wrong. If the networks offered free downloads from their websites that included commercials, then many people would take part in that.

    The complain that “Pirates” remove commercials when they share, but even when TV was free, people rarely ever stayed in the living room when they came on. In other words, their impact was minimal. I guess my point in all of this with the article, is that how you can consider something as “Stealing” when it was previously free, and still netted a healthy profit for the studios? Clearly, greed has overcome them over the years and now they expect you to pay for everything you look at.

  • Satan

    God created everything?
    Then he also created lawyers and bankers, though I’m pretty sure these are the work of the devil …

    :D

  • Pingback: What Would God Say About File-Sharing? | Systema

  • Common Man

    God = First Cause = contradiction because the sequences of cause and effect is infinite. A first cause is no more possible than a last effect.

    That said, I reckon Christian ethics would be in favour of file-sharing.

  • Capt. Kirk the Saviour

    god is angry that mooslims are planning to build a mosque at the 911 site. he’s thinking of eliminating the mooslims.

  • Hickster

    I am a Christian and proud to be, I believe it has many answers for social ills. I am NOT going to get into a Faith debate however just to say this. IF someone fileshares and they make up ALL the packaging ect and SELL that product as genuine, that is WRONG, ig someone simply copies a film so that their kids dont miss out because they cant afford to go to the Cinema to see it, I cant see how that is wrong. Sorry just my viewpoint. Is filesharing copying a product? NO, if I was in Marks and Spencers and I see a newspaper that I havent bought left on a table, am I not allowed to read it? After all I am depriving a sale of a newspaper by aquiring it free of charge!

  • Marco

    Ha,ha
    It’s old now, it was a ancient answer

    Give to god that is of god and give to ‘Cesar’ (politic system dominating)that is of ‘Cesar’

    The problem is that P.S.D.(politic system dominating) is the capitalism
    (good system but it is going to out dating. We need a new one because the globalisation)

    BTW: The religion is NOT God it’s some humans with good intention (some time)like to ‘Club’(therefore the errors) ..but the humans are stupid and confused the thing..ha.ha

  • I know there is a God

    All u “atheists” please learn the difference between an agnostic and an atheist before you call yourself one. Atheists knows that there is no God, while agnostics believe there is no God. Now… Are you an agnostic or an atheist? If u still say atheist, then what’s the difference between you and those that say they “know” there is a God?

  • Not

    God is a fictional character used by some to manipulate others.

    God is the brown, stinky stuff that comes out humanities collective rear ends…

  • VVM

    If God existed, he would probably say some weird shit in Hebrew and we would tell him to speak fucking English.

  • Torrent Freak

    This site has really gone downhill.
    From the lame articles to all the teenagers stupid comments and know everything attitude..

    There are Facts and there are opinions and in the middle you have immature people that wont learn anything because they already know everything

  • dg100

    This thread is getting more and more off-topic with every post.

    @Lots of posters

    This isn’t TF’s usual kind of thing, but it’s been a relatively slow news week, so what the hell. :D

    @125, I Know There Is A God

    Bringing agnosticism into the debate could make things a little confusing, so here’s some basic definitions for people:

    Generally speaking, Agnosticism – as I understand it – applies a measure of objectivity to belief saying: spiritual things that cannot be demonstrated may or may not exist. It may exist as a philosophy on it’s own, or as part of a larger belief-system (there are Agnostic Christians, for example).

    Generally speaking, Atheism – as I understand it – actively disregards everything claiming to be spiritual in nature. It, too, may exist as a philosophy on it’s own, or as part of a larger belief-system (the mythologies of Aryanism and Leninism spring to mind).

    Myself, I disbelieve people when they apply supernatural explanations to things. In the absence of objective evidence for such things, I look to the wider context and at the people making the claims.

    There is far too much obvious local politics in things like the Bible, the Quran, etc, for me to take them as anything other than the work of humans. Supposed factual details are blended with myths and the obviously invented. The claims of supernatural phenomena and the ascribed motives of supernatural beings frequently make no sense. So, I disregard such works.

    As for people, on the one hand, only the foolish would blindly ignore the positive aspects of religion. Some of the works created in the name of various gods are things of great beauty. The formalisations of socially responsible behaviour were crucial to building the societies we have today. The torrent world’s ethos of sharing would likely not exist in a recognisable form without it.

    On the other hand, in my experience, most spiritual people have abandoned rational thinking and objectivity, in favour of being wilfully gullible and stupid for the sake of it. Faith is no excuse for stupidity.

    Too many make excuses for bad behaviour and atrocities – both current and historical – committed in the name of their chosen faith. There have been too many burning crosses on American lawns, too many witch-hunts and murders, worldwide, too many suicide bombers flying planes into buildings.

    On the whole, religious people don’t seem like bad people to me, but they don’t seem to be better off in themselves, better equipped mentally or better members of society.

    And if religion doesn’t improve the religious, then what’s the point?

  • dg100

    In the spirit of accuracy and honesty, I feel I should also add the following to my previous post.

    There is one genuine benefit from religion that I should have mentioned.

    In the face of death, science doesn’t really have very much to offer, the truth cannot hold the hand of a dying child and cold hard facts are no comfort to a grieving parent.

    When there is no hope left, when the worst has happened, people still have to live. It is surely better for science to run and fight another day, to allow the compassion that religion can offer to those that need it, than seek to destroy the one hope that keeps the most desolate bereaved from absolute despair and suicide.

    Or so it seems to me.

  • Anonymous

    No need to argue.

    God just called and said its ok to share whatever we have in our possession.

    He also added that greed is a much bigger sin than theft especially if one is forced to theft because his brother doesnt care enough to share his goods.

    God loves us all brothers and all he expects from us is to love each other.

    Sharing doesnt mean only taking what is free but also giving back, so if you like the music you hear or the movie you see, support their creators in any way you feel its right.

    Support the creators directly and be sure they will share their works with you.

  • Loner

    If you died tonight where would you be Heaven or Hell?

    Please dont be upset or angry with this question just think about it.

  • Anonymous

    132
    I would be dead and rotting till my body fully disappears

  • Anonymous

    Atheism:
    The rejection of indefensible theistic claims. Nothing more. Theists say: “This is how it is.” I say “prove it.” They fail to provide proof, so I don’t buy what they’re selling. Atheism doesn’t say where I should invest my ideological currency within the marketplace of ideas, only where I rationally and honestly do not.
    So no, it is not a belief, but a lack of thereof. Just like not collecting stamps isn’t a hobby. It has nothing to do with the big bang theory. Makes perfect sense.

  • Anonymous

    @125

    As a religious individual you are making the affirmative claim that a “God” exists. Therefore the burden

    of proof lies on you to prove its existence. You can’t disprove an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

    In a logical debate this is what happens:
    1. I say I have a baseball
    2. You say prove it
    3. I show you said baseball.

    When you begin shifting the burden of proof this is what happens:
    1. I say I have a baseball
    2. You say prove it
    3. I say prove that I don’t have said baseball.

    So get this through your skull, atheists don’t have to prove anything because we are not making the

    affirmative claim. You as a religious person are, therefore it is your job to prove to us a God exists.

    And yet we could still disprove all of your evidence using science. So work on getting a coherent

    hypothesis that can withstand scrutiny and can provide quantifiable, empirical evidence of Gods

    existence. Until then shut the fuck up, stop trying to shift the burden of proof, and go violate

    yourself with corncob holders.

  • Walrus

    I used to be a Christian, but I gave it up for Lent. :D

  • Carlos

    enigmax, I’m surprised you can make such a silly question. Don’t you know that file-sharing is exactly like ripping out a beating human heart?!

  • Volucris

    Now that you bring the issue of God in all of this….

    God is not concerned with filesharing matters….IT has other issues to be concerned….one of them that some world government or insane terrorist group does not blow up the earth planet….Or start World War III.

    God’s only concern is that we all make the personal and individual decision to live, experience life, and grow as souls.

    The issue of filesharing is not an important matter….it’s a very minuscule issue in your personal soul development. The only thing about it is that by spending so much time in front of a computer screen we don’t have a wide sense of human and soul development experience. But if that is what you want to experience with your individual free will…so be it.
    (Personally, that’s why I have cut so much time from using the computer. But, I still do my share of filesharing. Although not to the extreme as I used to several years ago. Once you have seen and experienced the “Light”, you can figure it out.)

  • mremixer

    @dg100

    That was the most thoughtful, insightful, fair comparison of both sides of this file sharing argument I have ever read, Kudos to you!

    @enigmax

    I found the article well written & well thought out.

    I am not religious but I’m not an atheist either or agnostic as people try & say I am.

    I have evolved my own belief system that fits my own moral code & I can adjust as I educate myself as I learn new things & older things I wasn’t aware of. My belief’s involve religion, politics, fantasy, myth & legend.

    For example I have read the Bible & found it to be a collection of short stories with moral & ethical lessons. Yes it was poorly written & damn boring but the lessons are there.

    I have also read, Asimov, Tolkien, Grimms Fairy Tales & many fantasy, myths & legends as well as 1,000′s of other books of religion, fiction, non fiction & science fiction.

    There are aspects of everything in my belief system, my “religious” code. From the writings of the Qur’an, Buddha, The Bible, The Matrix, Terminator, Disney & even Torrentfreak.

    Everyone has the right to live their life there own way be it by the laws of the land, the laws of your god or Spaghetti Monster. So long as you live your life your way there is no right or wrong.

    As for file sharing its nothing to do with religion, politics, governments or corporations. Its human nature at its best & should be encouraged & not stifled.

    Money has too much importance in our society & I’m pretty sure it’s in the bible about not worshipping false gods. Well for any devout believers in “God” I’m sorry but your “God” is dead in the 21st Century & has been superseded by the worship of money.

  • Thelen

    @55, LOL

    @136, LOL

    @All the other posters who whine about religion, religion never hurt anyone. People hurt people.

    All the people committing atrocities in the name of religion aren’t even following their religion anyway (Christians and the Crusades, purely political. Muslims and Jihad, nothing to do with being a terrorist).

  • RouteDog

    db100, Do you have a blog? You have a great mind. I found your posts very well written and thought out.
    Thank-you from a Old Dog OMOL

  • T@rmenteD

    God left this earth a long time ago

  • dg100

    If TF doesn’t mind, I’d like to thank everyone who has offered honest and considered replies to this article. To all who responded to my own posts, thank you for your kind words. I just try to be honest.

    @141, Routedog

    Thank you. I don’t have a blog. If I did, I’d never get out of the house. :D

  • Viking

    Fact: Thor will smash the MAFIAA with his mighty hammer. Next!

  • Pingback: What Would God Say About File-Sharing? – TorrentFreak (blog) | Piracy Network

  • Jong

    Not because it is illegal could it be deemed sinful. God sees beyond copyright law violations and knows our deepest intentions. What we are sharing here are artworks. Art is beauty and beauty is good. Were just spreading and sharing the goodness of the human artistic experience.

  • a human

    Religion is 100% bullshit and doesn’t deserve one nanometre of respect or recognition. I normally don’t leave comments but this article pissed me off.

  • TerribleTony

    Oh yeah, religion has soooo much to say about these things because they are soooo caring.

    So caring that they killed a man in the UK for translating the Bible into English.

    Sod God, and sod religion.

  • Frank John Miller

    Here’s a forum from a Catholic website. It’s part Filipino but mostly English. http://kerygmafamily.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=133092

  • Frank John Miller

    By the way, did you know Jesus brought down the fish and bread industries when he multiplied them? Jesus is an infringer!

    Sarcasm of course. But if file sharing is a sin, then are you telling me God and the MAFIAA/RIAA/MPAA/IIPA are on the same side? Hardly. Though that could be false dilemma…

    Ok, how about this. FASCISM is a sin.

  • neb

    You will,believe……….

  • Frank John Miller

    I too am disappointed how the Catholic Church (yes, I’m Catholic) doesn’t discuss piracy/file sharing at all. It’s an important and very controversial topic. No wait, it isn’t. Actually I’m disappointed how the whole of Internet users don’t really mind file sharing.

    Anyway, DAMN THE RIAA/MPAA/CRIA/IIPA FOR SUING JOEL TENENBAUM AND/OR JAMMIE THOMAS.

  • Pingback: pligg.com

  • “God” HAS said something

    According to Steal This Film, when the printing press came out, it was considered heresy/black magic/the work of the devil. Sound familiar?

    Of course I use “God” in quotes since whoever condemned the printing press was, as Karl Marx would say, the forces of production, at the time, probably the Catholic Church. But according to this, the Church isn’t against file sharing. http://jetl.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/the-pope-vs-intellectual-property-rights/ I am not Catholic, but I agree with Frank John MIller. This is indeed such an underrated topic among religious leaders.

  • “God” HAS said something

    William Burns on July 29th, 2009 at 9:54 am
    Just because something is deemed against a law does not, in fact, make it right. For instance, it is illegal to mispronounce Arkansas in the state of Arkansas. While it seemed like a good idea at the time of writing, and I am sure many have been prosecuted on that law, it does not make it correct. A more prominent example would be the case of Prohibition in the United States, whereby alcohol was made illegal for consumption. Again, a great many people were prosecuted under the law, and many more people were duped into believing that if it’s a law then they have no choice but to adhere to it.
    It was only through mass civil disobedience that such a law was repealed.
    The original intention of Copyright Law is to grant the holder of works (owner) a limited time frame by which to expect exclusivity and profit. Originally, this time frame was proposed as an ample fourteen years, after which such works were relegated to public domain in the interest of furthering innovation and competition.
    It was concluded that to grant a holder of works an exclusivity into perpetuity would do more harm than good for future innovation and competition, virtually stunting said growth and expansion, and severely damaging the economy as time progressed as it became exponentially harder to create new works, thus removing the incentive to produce “new” works.
    Within the United States, copyrights are common for 75 years after the death of the creator, with intermediary holders carrying exclusivity far into the future through the act of re-releases in many formats. The very idea of a “back catalogue” which spans nearly one hundred years is preposterous in light of the scope and intention of copyright as it was originally conceived.
    Again, copyright is meant to foster a limited time frame by which the creator of said works may expect exclusivity and profit from their works. It is the threat of public domain which spurs said creator to continue their works in order to continue their revenue. Unfortunately, Copyright has been warped and twisted through lobbying factors in order to benefit both the creator but moreso themselves (being representing entities such as RIAA), in that the original scope and intention of Copyright no longer holds the value it was originally conceived to enforce. If copyright has the intention of limiting the exclusivity of the creator to a limited time frame by which they were granted sole distributorship, then what value does this have in an era whereby the death of a creator does not pass said works into public domain, and whereby such works are held in exclusivity by third parties for lengths of time which can feasibly be an entire generation?
    I take into account the written works of George Orwell, specifically Nineteen Eighty-Four. This book was written in the year 1949, while the author passed away years later. The book, despite the death of the creator, is still held under copyright and will remain so under United States law until the year 2044, whereby such works will pass into public domain.
    My date of birth is 1979, and as such, this work was created thirty years prior to my birth. For a written work that was created thirty years prior to my birth, I will not see such in public domain until I have reached the ripe old age of 65, or in a different light – this written work will have survived nearly the span of two lifetimes under current copyright. As originally intended, a span of fourteen years, this work will benefit from a span of exclusivity which is measured as nearly 600% longer than originally intended.
    This is a far cry from the scope and intent of copyright law as it was put forth and conceived. If a work can be held in exclusivity for a span of time which makes the intention of the law which governs it negligible at best, then the law which governs it has been rendered without jurisdiction or justification and must be repealed in its current form.
    The purpose of a law is to serve and protect the interest of a society as a whole, and not a select group of individuals. Within a democracy it is the will of the society which is to govern said laws which are created on behalf of the society, and to implement laws which directly contradict the will of the society which it governs has no place in any country which rules “For the people, by the people”.
    For direct and incontrovertible proof that such laws are in direct contradiction to the will of the societies which they are established to govern, we need only look at the litigation firestorm that is the RIAA around the world, and to the population of this planet who continue to openly defy such laws on an escalating basis.
    This is a worldwide civil disobedience against laws which have been abused and shaped in the benefit of the few while literally eroding the rights of the many.
    No amount of propaganda or litigation will stop this civil disobedience, and it will only continue to get worse until such time as these laws are brought under control and returned to the state by which they were intended; Serving not only the creators of works, but doing so in the overall best interest of the societies by which they participate.

  • “God” HAS said something

    Dan on February 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
    Asked of any RIAA witness:
    1) May I, without attracting the wrath of your organization, hand the copy I have bought of my favorite CD to my friend sitting next to me at the defense table for him to enjoy for the weekend? (Yes.)
    2) May I, without incurring multi-million dollar fines, make a backup copy of the CD I just bought, in case my friend loses the copy I’m about to give him? (Yes.)
    3) May I, safe from subpoena and threats of litigation, hand that backup copy to another friend if my first friend loses the one I loaned him? (Yes.)
    4) Must I not, then, take on good faith my first friend’s assertion that he lost the CD? (Perhaps/I suppose/What are you getting at?)
    5) If my friend in fact did not lose the CD, am I acting in bad faith when I listen to my backup copy and/or loan it to a second friend? (No.)
    5a) Is my second friend, playing that CD, acting in bad faith? (No.)
    6) What is the fundamental difference between loaning the original CD and loaning the backup CD? (None, except that the first and the second must not be “active” simultaneously.)
    7) Define “active”.
    Regardless of the reply to question #7 there’s always a perfectly-legal corner case. Effectively, the shared MP3 is a backup copy of the song, the original copy on CD having been long since forgotten in someone’s dusty attic. A significant portion of the filesharing community owns a CD of the song. The only reasonable answer to question #7 is that no more than one person can play the CD at the same time. Can MediaSentry prove that more copies were being *played* simultaneously than the number of legitimate licenses owned by the filesharing community? If not, the P2P network is effectively a very fast, free-to-use version of NetFlix, distributing well-liked CD’s amongst friends for their listening enjoyment.
    Slightly-alternate argument: There is no difference between loaning someone an MP3 and loaning someone a physical CD because there’s no such thing as “moving” a file in the computer world–only copy and delete. Thus, everyone’s taking it on good faith that the file they’re receiving is being deleted, or at least never again accessed, after being sent.
    Last suggested argument: Can the prosecution prove, based on the preponderance of evidence, that the accused never held a license to the songs, the sharing of which he is being accused? Can the prosecution prove that the accused accessed the file for his personal use after having shared it with others; i.e., that’s he’s not just offering a convenient backup service?
    Let me know what you think; IANAL.

  • “God” HAS said something

    “According to Romans 13:1-7, Christians must obey the laws of the government they live under” – I would like to refer back to William Burns on this. Illegality does not necessarily imply immorality and vice-versa. Also, legality does not necessarily imply morality and vice-versa.

    “The purpose of a law is to serve and protect the interest of a society as a whole, and not a select group of individuals.” – The best example would be Jesus Himself. He did a lot of moral yet illegal things, at least based on the then-current law, which was really a misinterpretation of the pre-existing laws.

    In the same way, current copyright law is the product of the forces of production lagging behind the means of production. It is a far cry from the intended purpose of copyright law. This is not the first time that this has happened.

    Remember VCRs? Sony is a conglomerate so obviously it stood its ground against Universal. Grokster/Napster, on the other hand, was a small software company that stood no chance against MGM.

    Justice is not only for the rich. Therefore, the law is invalid. Therefore, I am not on the left hand of God when I download a movie or song or ebook, etc.

  • “God” HAS said something

    Lastly, the fourth commandment most likely refers to “honor your father and your mother” rather than “keep holy the sabbath day,” as the former might suggest honoring valid authority.

    The RIAA is not valid authority.

    Damn Obama for supporting ACTA.

  • Existence of God? WTH

    Why are the comments on this article about the existence of God and not about file sharing?

  • patrickmerre

    Easily share your files !!!
    100% free
    10 GB filesize accepted
    60 days of retention
    upload by FTP, HTTP, remote FTP/HTTP
    use of non-standard port in option
    SSL subscription begin at 5 euros per month
    http://www.1fichier.com

  • BTGuard - BitTorrent Anonymously

NewsBits

Even more news...

  • Blu-ray Anti-Piracy Tech Stops Discs and Promotes Purchases

    An anti-piracy system present in all official Blu-ray players since 2012 has received a fresh update...

  • Foxtel Breeds Pirates by Locking Up Game of Thrones

    One of the main reasons why people turn to piracy is the lack of legal alternatives....

  • UK Student Admits Breaching Sony Copyrights With Leak of PS3 SDK

    Last year an Internet user known as El Nomeo leaked version 3.70 of Sony’s Playstation3 SDK...

  • Pirates Can Be Identified Despite Sharing IP Addresses, ISP Claims

    Carrier-Grade Network Address Translation is a network mechanism through which many Internet subscribers can share the...

  • Feds Seize Cash from Major Bitcoin Exchange’s Dwolla Account

    The U.S. Government has taken a significant action against the web’s top Bitcoin exchange by seizing...

MostDiscussed

Below are TorrentFreak's most discussed articles of the past month. Join the discussion if you like.

CopyQuote

Left Quote

“The Pirate Bay has been one of the most important movements in Sweden for freedom of speech, working against corruption and censorship.

Peter Sunde Left Quote

PopularArticles

A selection of some TorrentFreak's classics dug up from our archives.