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Why Offline Privacy Values Must Live On In The Digital Age

Whenever pirates demand the right to send anything to anybody without being tracked, we are somehow accused of wanting things for free. That’s not true. What we demand is simpler: we demand the laws to apply equally online and offline; we demand our children inherit the civil liberties that our parents fought, bled and often died to give to us. It’s an entirely reasonable demand.

Let’s look at the classic letter to illustrate this. The physical letter, consisting of an envelope, a folded paper with writing on it inside the envelope, and a stamp.

This was what personal communication looked like in our parents’ offline world, and it was enshrined with certain civil liberties. I’m going to focus on four of them.

First, the letter was anonymous. You, and you alone, determined whether you identified yourself as sender on the outside of the envelope for the world to know, on the inside of the letter for only the recipient to know, or didn’t identify yourself at all when sending a letter. This was your prerogative.

Second, the letter was secret in transit. Nobody had the right to open all letters just to make sure they didn’t contain something illegal or immoral – or something copied, for that matter. If you were under prior suspicion of a very serious crime, your mail could be secretly opened to find evidence of that crime – but no letter would ever be opened routinely to check for new crimes.

Third, the letter was untracked. Nobody had the right – nor, indeed, the capability – to record who was communicating with whom. Nobody was able to monitor all mailboxes to see when somebody dropped a letter in it, much less the ability to identify that person and connect them to the address on the letter dropped in the mailbox. It was a fundamental right to keep your connections to yourself.

Fourth, the mailman was never responsible for the contents in the sealed letter. How could they? They were not aware of its contents, nor were they allowed to make themselves aware of its contents. Their responsibility and accountability started and ended with delivery of the packages to the address on the envelope.

This is a set of civil liberties that our parents and grandparents literally fought, bled, and sometimes even died to give us. It is entirely reasonable that they carry over to our children in the environment they communicate in, just as the rights applied to the offline world of our parents.

But when you point this out, some will protest loudly. The copyright industry, in particular. “If you allow anybody to send anything to anybody else, even anonymously, we can’t make any money!”

To this, I respond, so what?

It is the job of every entrepreneur to make money given the current constraints of society and technology. Nobody gets to dismantle civil liberties just because they can’t make money otherwise – and perhaps especially if they can’t make money otherwise.

If a particular industry can’t continue to make money the same way in the face of sustained civil liberties, they get to go out of business or start selling something else. We don’t determine what civil liberties our children get based on who can make money and who can’t; we base them on what our parents fought and bled for.

This is the heart of the file-sharing debate. I don’t care a millisecond if an obsolete distribution industry goes out of business, but I do care about the civil liberties that our children deserve to inherit.

About The Author

Rick Falkvinge is a regular columnist on TorrentFreak, sharing his thoughts every other week. He is the founder of the Swedish and first Pirate Party, a whisky aficionado, and a low-altitude motorcycle pilot. His blog at falkvinge.net focuses on information policy.

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  • Dailydonate

    Very good article. Politicians should read this

    • Anonymous

      Politicians would then come up with some complete bullshit to attempt to negate this logical article.

      • Anyone

        depends how much they are paid be the copyright lobby

        anyone that comes up with arguments against those liberties is most likely paid off and should be voted out of office

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Forget voted out of office, they should be charged with corruption.

    • Nocturnal

      I can go to my local library and check-out a DVD of the movie Fargo. Why is it illegal to copy and make it available to others by Torrent?

      • Wyrm

        Well, the copyright-industry doesn’t like librarys, so it’s only a matter of time until they manage to make them charge us as well.

    • Chuck

      But then our banks would also have to figure out a way to make money instead of the government just giving it to them.. OH NOES!

  • politux

    Rick is the man! Always love your posts.

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      Thanks mate!

      • Bloaxor

        Haha, love the eye patch. :p

      • XFyrios

        Indeed. A great post as always Rick! Thank you for keeping everyone informed and for posting worthwhile articles :)

  • AnoymousJoe

    Love your articles man!

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      Thanks, much appreciated!

  • Heisenberg7

    You go Rick!

  • CaptCosmo

    Very well stated. You have put my thoughts into words. Keep it up so others know what our opinions are on this very important issue. Sharing is caring, we were taught this as children and in all our worlds religions.

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  • Anonymous

    so much truth in your article, Rik, as usual. that is exactly why it will be rejected, certainly by the various governments, including those in the EU. they cannot bear to think that people are able to send things to each other, in seconds now rather than a day or two (why they are so worried about the speed, i dont know), regardless of what it is. this need to know what every person in the world is doing has become an obsession, as long as it doesn’t work in the other direction, ie, no one must know what the governments are doing or what big business is up to. perish the thought of the people being forewarned when they are going to be well and truly screwed yet again!

  • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

    While this is probably the most compelling argument for piracy I’ve seen, there are several things that you leave out. While authorities don’t have a right to to opening mail without cause, that doesn’t mean that they are completely powerless to intercept harmful/illegal letters or packages. They do institute things like drug and bomb and sniffing dogs and x-rays, etc. to detect such things. If they didn’t then drug and weapon trafficking would be MUCH easier. To me, it is no different if they find a way to track illegal downloads. That is, of course without giving up the right to privacy when doing legal activities.

    You talk about how people have a right to remain anonymous when sending something, but you do still need a recipient…which in the case of piracy would be the person who is actually doing the downloading. If a package with illicit material is found, you can be sure both the sender (if provided) and recipient will be questioned, even though a recipient can’t control if someone just decides to send something illegal to them. If there is no sender given, authorities will try to discover the source of the package.

    Your argument is compelling, but is built on false premises. You can’t send/receive whatever you want in the mail without prosecution, so there is no reasonable expectation that you should be able to send/receive what ever you want over the internet.

    • politux

      Seriously? You equate downloading files with sending bombs in the mail?

      • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

        No, I don’t. I equate the use of tracking illegal downloads with the use of tracking bombs sent in the mail. I was merely pointing out that mailing rights aren’t nearly as broad as the author illustrated. If they are able to detect an illegal download, then I don’t think such a system should be viewed any differently than the system they use to track down bombs, drugs, weapons, or other illicit material.

        I’m not trying to attack anyone here, he made an argument, I countered.

        • Anyone

          bombs and weapons are actually dangerous
          copies of songs and movies are not

          there are systems in place against harmful transmissions on the internet, for example spam filters, virus scanners or DDoS protection systems, but generally communication between people should not be monitored, neither offline nor online

        • Guest

          Only problem is sending a bomb in the mail is an illegal, criminal offense. Sending copies of a movie is not illegal it is a civil infringemnet

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          But it’s not.

          Tracking illegal downloads means, in practice and real comparison, that you would have to open every letter sent by anyone to anyone just to check whether there was a bomb attached.

          This is more or less the standard in any form of filesharing save for the most crude of end-end interfaces.

          In short, as Rick says, there is no middle ground and no grey area. You either monitor everyone…or your attempts fail.
          And detecting what form of communication is carried requires by FAR more intrusive spying than using just an x-ray machine or a drugsniffing dog. Simply because you need to actually detect, trace, and read the entire document in transit before making a stand on whether the communication is illegal.

          That is, just like Rick says, tantamount to opening every piece of mail in transit. Not proportional enforcement.

          So please. Drop the attempts at trying to explain away the facts with an exercise in ill-conceived sophistry backed by untruths.

          P.S.
          As people explain patiently below? Those “drug-sniffing dogs” and “x-ray scanners” you envision are the equivalent of firewalls, virus scanners, spam filters and similar system hardening.

        • MadAsASnake

          You are wrong on two counts here. Downloading copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder may be (but not necessarily) unlawful. It’s a civil matter. It is generally not illegal. The other mistake you make is assuming that they can track downloads. They can’t. An IP address does not = person. Proved in law every time it has come in fornt of a judge. This is why the trolls go for “default judgments” and drop defended cases before they get this far. Thats torrents. Other downloading techniques are either very difficult to track in nay manner, or absolutely impossible.

        • Pelham123

          A few problems with your argument:

          “Illegal downloads” aren’t really illegal in most countries, unlike bombs. Only distribution has been found to be illegal. That’s part of the creep that scares so many of us — the implication that it can be “illegal” to merely read or watch something and that a third party says when. Not on my watch.

          The recipient of a download consents to it, unlike the recipient of a bomb. We willingly give up our right to be mailed bombs. No lobbying group tries to take it from us.

          Your “harmful/illegal” construction is a nice try, but it’s redundant. Only harmful shipments are monitored in this way. Shipments that are merely illegal, like the shipping of wine across US state borders, are not being sniffed out en route.

          Finally, you are not responding to an argument for piracy. You are responding to an argument that person-to-person communications either via letter or electronic means are not piracy.

        • Alsop

          To extend the argument, when explosive and chemical (re. Drugs, bioweapons) scanners/ dogs are used, they are only becoming aware of the traces of what is escaping the container. When a detector becomes aware of chemical traces (drug dog indicates it smells something), the authorities then have probable cause to open the package, due to the ‘terms of service’ when you ship a physical item. Such terms of service are written out in contract form when you ship said physical item, so the institution is also within its rights to inspect said package, which can be done without opening it. This is not true of electronic communication, which can only be inspected by ‘opening the envelope’.

          The real question to ask is, what constitutes probable cause for breaching the implicit confidentiality of communication in an electronic format? Unlike the use of laser-microphones, bomb-sniffing dogs, metal detectors, etc, unless the ‘illicit’ or suspect communication also contains malicious software, the physical rules of evidence collection do not apply.

          Like many people, I’m not sure where that line should be drawn, but I believe it’s a delicate balancing act between security and civil liberties.

    • Anyone

      if there is an actual danger (as with letter bombs or possibly weapons being sent), sure, the mail should be checked in that case

      but currently we are talking about opening everybody’s mail, just because some out of touch businesses feel like they could make more money that way

      how would you feel if all your mail was being opened just because some newspapers think you might be sending news to your friends

      • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

        It’s not only about danger, it’s about legality. One could easily argue that a package containing drugs isn’t dangerous. But this isn’t about the legality of drugs, so I won’t get into it. Just because online piracy isn’t a dangerous activity, that doesn’t make it legal. It is the job of authorities to crack down on illegal activities. I fully support their effort if they can track illegal downloads without otherwise jeopardizing privacy. I may not have been as clear as I would have liked in that.

        The best I can put, if they can find a way to just track illegal downloads (basically an online equivalent to what they do track bombs, weapons, or drugs in the mail), I’d be all for it. But if if means that they have the ability to go through my e-mail or other sources where I’d expect reasonable privacy, then that wouldn’t be right.

        • Guest

          Going by their track record, especially methods championed and endorsed by the RIAA, you are placing a dangerously large amount of confidence in such initiatives.

        • Anyone

          it’s not about legality, it’s about scope

          noone cares if I send a burnt CD to a friend over the mail
          why should anyone care if I send that friend an MP3 over the internet instead?

          filesharing is not even illegal, it’s just a civil offence (even if the MAFIAA is successfully bribing it to be criminal in many countries)

          as the past few years have shown the “entertainment sector” can exist with “rampant” piracy just fine
          the MPAA posts record year after record year, the music industry as a whole is also growing steadily (the RIAA is suffering because the artists wake up and leave them)
          so really, there is no problem that needs to be fixed, the internet must remain free and uncensored

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          I’m not arguing that there is currently a system that I would agree with, I would actually more likely agree with guest that it’s not very realistic to think that they could come up with such a system any time soon.

          My goal by posting was to only point out that the writer’s premises were false.

          Any Anyone is definitely right that it’s about scope, they wouldn’t try to crack down if you sent a burned CD to a friend through the mail. I wasn’t trying to imply that justice works so thoroughly, or even fairly. But I also don’t support the argument that just because the movie and music industry can still thrive along side piracy, that piracy shouldn’t be an issue. Piracy is still illegal and rampant, and therefore should be cracked down upon. Even if it just a civil offense, the fact that you can face legal repercussions just illustrates the fact that it is illegal. But the fact is, in the US, it IS a criminal offense, and I agree that it should be.

        • Guest

          So at the end of the day, your argument is “it’s against the law, therefore it’s an issue”.

          Wonderful. When are you going to campaign to bring back slavery, or no votes for women? Doing otherwise was against the law, therefore it’s an issue. Do you want the whole world to be full of anarchy?

        • Anyone

          why should it be criminal?
          non-profit piracy is hurting noone

          sure, if you sell pirated goods I can see the argument that it might be criminal, but if noone is making any money and just sharing the files they have? how is that criminal?

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          I’m saying that they’re cracking down on it because it’s illegal, so yes…because it’s illegal it is an issue. But I don’t agree that it should be illegal just because it’s illegal. I have my reasons for agreeing that it should be legal, I won’t get into it here but I did post a blog with my points shortly after megaupload was shut down. (http://www.ign.com/blogs/movieguru83/2012/01/24/making-enemies-new-fixed-version/)

          I spent hours and hours on it, between the blog and comments, so I hope you’ll understand why I’m not gonna my argument here.

          But to answer your question: If you walk past an unlocked car, and see someone’s iPod sitting on their front seat, if you open the door and just take the ipod for yourself (not to sell), that is a crime, even though you’re not making any money off of it. Just because a downloaded file isn’t physical media doesn’t mean it should be treated any differently than a physical object. I think it’s even worse, because you stealing it doesn’t prevent someone else from also stealing it, since it’s only a copy. (but I do get into that further in the blog, if you care to read).

          As for slavery and women’s right to vote, I think you’re getting facetious. I never said I’d agree with anything just because the law says it. I’ve already stated that I wouldn’t agree with a law that would allow authorities to go through our e-mail to locate illegal downloads, that wouldn’t change just because the law became a reality.

        • Guest

          Downloads aren’t illegal, distribution is

        • Anyone

          figures that you’d be against due process (in the case of MegaUpload), so that any site can be taken down on the mere allegations from the MAFIAA (like in the horrible, horrible DMCA legislation)

          and stealing an ipod is obviously a crime, because you deprive someone of his property (the ipod)
          copying all the files from the ipod and putting it back however is not (because nothing was stolen)

          even the FBI agrees with me in this case that copying files does not count as taking them out of the country (read up on the MegaUpload case if you don’t get that reference)

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          I’m not against due process, if you read the blog you’d see that I was very clear that I believe strongly in due process. The first step of due process is stopping illegal activity…ie shutting down megaupload. Here’s the full paragraph in due process:

          People complain “it’s not due process.” Yes it is, look up exactly what due process entails. The first step in due process is they stop the illegal activity…i.e. They shut down the storage facility. Then the parties involved are charged, followed by a trial, and finishing with verdict/sentencing. If MegaUpload would have simply been shut down and that’s it, then I could buy the argument of no due process…but the owners ARE being charged…and like I said, those charges look to be both significant and damning. Now, if those charges can’t be proven, then I think that MegaUpload should be restored. I still won’t use them, and I think that even if what they do can’t be proven to be illegal, that doesn’t make it legal. Not guilty does not mean innocent, it could just mean lack of evidence to convict. I think regardless of how it turns out, MegaUpload knowingly, and willingly allows people to pirate copyrighted material, and I think that’s wrong.

        • Anyone

          you assume guilt
          Megaupload was not illegal, it was shut down without any due process

          due process would have been the MAFIAA sueing Megaupload, and deciding if it is legal in court, as they did with Youtube for example
          but they would have lost, as they did with Youtube, so instead they went to their buddies in Washington to have Megaupload shut down without due process

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          Did you read the blog? I did cover that, I’m not gonna make my arguments here when they’re in the blog. The MAFIAA didn’t need to sue them in order to be charged with criminal activity. They shut down the site (step 1 of due process) and they charged them with a crime (step 2 of due process). This was literally days after the shut down, so the trial (step 3) and sentencing (step 4) obviously hadn’t occurred yet.

          Nobody assumed guilt.

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          You know what, I did assume guilt. Sorry, I said otherwise. In the last sentence. But 1. I didn’t shut them down 2. I am not or will not be on the jury. My assumption of guilt was based on the knowledge that I have (which is still the knowledge that I have, since I haven’t kept up with the case), and I formed an opinion.

        • Guest321

          “But the fact is, in the US, it IS a criminal offense, and I agree that it should be.”

          “But I don’t agree that it should be illegal just because it’s illegal. I have my reasons for agreeing that it should be legal”

          Make up your mind already. Who in their right mind thinks file sharing should be a criminal offense? Are you a government troll or what?

        • Anyone

          I skimmed over the blog
          was too long and boring, basically the same propaganda you’d expect from a copyright maximalist

          anyway, yes, guilt was assumed by shutting down the service
          MegaUpload has not been served so far, mostly because the US lacks jurisdiction

          and as can be concluded from the Betamax case, if the service has significant non-infringing uses (which MegaUpload did) it is legal and covered by fair use
          furthermore the DMCA grants MegaUpload safe harbor protection

          if the DoJ followed the law MegaUpload would still be online

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          typo, I meant to say that I have my reasons for why it should be ILLEGAL.

          I’m not trying to backtrack, it’s an honest mistake.

          I was trying to say that just because it’s illegal, doesn’t mean that I automatically agree with. Just that I agree with laws to prevent piracy…there are many other laws that I agree with, and there are many laws that I disagree with.

          I think you’re kinda nitpicking a little, between here and my blog, you should be able to get a pretty good idea of where I stand. I think I make fair points, and I think yours are fair as well. I just don’t see eye to eye with your views on piracy. If you didn’t read the blog, that’s okay. Honestly, I wouldn’t read yours if you posted your views here. I made a point and I’m doing my best to defend it. I wasn’t trying to get into a debate on weather piracy is right or wrong, I was only trying to point out, as I said many times, that the writer of the article had false premises.

        • Anyone

          you mean the premise that privacy of people is more important than the imaginary losses of a failing industry?

          privacy or copyright, pick one
          you can’t have both

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          No, the premise that when something is sent through the mail, authorities have no power to prevent illegal activity.

          Privacy and copyright are both very important things, no one should have to choose between the two. But I have already stated that I don’t think people’s privacy should be violated to protect copyrights. But I think we need a system to protect copyright without violating the privacy of the masses.

          You’re arguing in circles (I’m assuming that I’ve been talking to a single person this whole time, of course). I’ve had to repeat my stance several times and it’s really getting annoying.

        • Anyone

          “No, the premise that when something is sent through the mail, authorities have no power to prevent illegal activity.”
          well, of course they have the power to open every letter and every package sent, they are just not allowed to, and rightly so
          now in the digital age exactly that (opening of every letter) is proposed (Deep Packet Inspection for example), and we again have to fight to keep our rights we took for granted.

          “But I think we need a system to protect copyright without violating the privacy of the masses.”
          that doesn’t exist
          not even China with its massive censoring and controlling can stop every information from flowing
          and if such a massive restriction on personal freedom and privacy doesn’t work, what will?

        • BuddhaFacePalmed

          @Joshua Weikel

          I think your analogy of a stolen ipod is wrong. A more appropriate example would be a public library where hundreds of versions of the same book is made available to different users. When the concept of libraries first came up, the publishing industry state that “authors would starve, no one would be bothered to buy books and no one would write anything at all.” If that premise was true, most people alive today would have been illiterate. But that’s not true because the social benefit of free knowledge is greater than the author’s benefit. Today, we even have multi-millionaire authors.

          The copyright industry have no basis for their argument. One industry does not outweigh the benefits of society.

        • Thom

          You conception of Due Process is wrong and misguided. Due Process has nothing about first STOPPING something that’s presumed to be illegal. Its the opposite: determining if something is illegal without violating the rights of the accused.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “I fully support their effort if they can track illegal downloads without otherwise jeopardizing privacy…”

          But they can not. It is quite impossible to ensure that freedom to communicate exists if you have to open and read every communication sent. And that, in a nutshell, is the one and only way you can discern between two people exchanging a copyright-protected file…or the same people exchanging a fully legal distribution of Ubuntu.

          In order to find the difference you actually need to read the communicaton sent. And in most modern filesharing clients, that means, unavoidably, that anyone performing any communication at all must be considered a suspect.

          A suitable real-world comparison would be where the cops decide to frisk and search every living being within three city blocks because, having been on the street, they might be suspected of drug dealing.

          Or the better example, where you are not allowed to send a letter without having it opened and traced, since the drug sniffing dogs and xrays (equivalent firewalls/spam filters) aren’t able to determine the contents.

        • MadAsASnake

          They can’t. Period. All these “three strikes” schemes are around precisely because they can’t. The three strikes schemes all presume guilt, all deny a day in front of a judge, and rightsholders are not prepared to pay for them.

        • Pelham123

          Joshua, piracy in the US is NOT a criminal offense. That is absolutely false.

          In many cases it’s not even a prosecutable civil offense.

          But moist importantly, this article is simply arguing that it SHOULDN’T be. You’re not addressing that at all. All you’re saying is “you can’t blame government officials for enforcing current law.” That’s not the point.

          Officers ripping open love letters looking for copyrighted poems would not be blamed for just doing their jobs. Feel better?

        • tetridae

          Well, not being allowed to run any entrepreneurial business in Soviet was about “legality” too.

      • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

        I agree that communication shouldn’t be monitored, but a song or movie isn’t communication. It’s a piece of media, and it’s illegal to upload/download them without permission. Laws aren’t only in place to protect against things that are potentially dangerous.

        • Anyone

          so you decide how I can and cannot communicate with my friends?
          why?

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          I don’t get how you can argue that sending someone a movie or a song is a form of communication. It can be a gesture. But you’re also talking a very small scope. I don’t think they’re trying to crack down on people who send a song or two to their friends. People have been making mixed tapes and recording stuff off TV since long before the internet. What they want to crack down on is large scale piracy. Torrents, for example; where you’re a random person downloading from (usually) several unknown people. You can hardly classify that as a social interaction.

        • Anyone

          if you don’t monitor my traffic, how will you know what I am sending to other people? how can you tell if I am simply chatting with someone or sending 0s and 1s representing a song to them?
          you have no way of knowing that without completely monitoring my traffic, breaching my privacy, THAT’s what is being argued here

          you are giving the MAFIAA way too much credit, they are much more evil than you lead on
          if you give the MAFIAA any tool to sabotage the internet (like the DMCA) they will abuse it to no end

          they tried to stop people making mixtapes or recording TV, they just failed back then, as they have to fail this time

          and torrenting is very social, I have several online acquaintances because of torrenting

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          Again, I didn’t say that there is currently a system that can isolate and flag illegal downloads, I’m not sure if it’s even possible. But I do think it’s not just someone looking at 1s and 0s. I’ll try to come up with an example, if you’ll grant me a little leeway in my description. I’m not a computer programmer. But I’d imagine such a system would be something like:

          The government wants to track downloads of movie x, they know the file is say…7,834,953kb. So to identify instances of piracy, they look for file transfers of approximately that size. They look at any file that meets that description, and if the file is movie x, then they investigate by looking at who sent it and who received it.

          I think that would be akin to using bomb sniffing dogs on mailed packages. Again, I don’t know how possible or accurate such a system would be, I’m just saying that if they could SOMEHOW come up with SOMETHING in that vain, I don’t think it would be any different from what they do to inspect the mail.

          I wasn’t trying to say that torrents can’t be social. Only that I’d guess that the vast majority of the time, people have no idea who they are downloading from or uploading to. So that can’t be called a social interaction. But as I’m sure you could guess, I don’t torrent.

        • Anyone

          again, that is only possible if ALL traffic is monitored
          and even then you just encrypt your traffic and all that privacy invading monitoring is for nothing

          enforcing the copyright monopoly is not possible without MAJOR privacy issues, so the logical step is to simply abolish the monopoly, and not to cause all those privacy issues

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          You may be right, I was just trying to describe how I would imagine an ideal system to work, I said I wasn’t sure how possible it was. My main goal is to show that I’m not trying to make an argument without putting any thought into it. I don’t have all the answers, I could very well not have any answers. But I have my beliefs on what is right and what is wrong. That could change in the future, I’m always open to hearing an opposing position. But I’m not gonna agree with piracy just because nobody can come with a suitable to circumvent it. Right now, what is probably the best way is to convince pirates that it’s wrong. It’s a losing battle (and really not one that I often partake in, I only chimed in here because this was a new argument that I had never seen before).

        • Anyone

          as I said, there is no way to stop piracy with technical means
          even with massive privacy breaches there would still be ways around it

          the only way to defeat piracy is to offer a better product
          steam has shown that this works for games (google steam in russia), itunes has shown that for music (despite being a PoS software), netflix and hulu have shown that for TV (until the networks imposed longer delays, after which piracy rose again)

          if you go around being an asshole, sueing your customers, insulting them as thieves, of course noone will buy your shit
          or if UltraViolet is your idea of a consumer friendly product, of course people will pirate your stuff instead

        • Guest321

          Torrenting is definitely a social interaction. You have people from all around the world coming together to discuss in the comments section. We help each other out by describing quality of the torrent, providing instructions on how to make a software or game work and warn people against potential malware. People share tracker invites with random people out of goodness of their heart. People thank the uploader and rep him for uploading something. How is all this not social?

        • None

          If its a home video that happens to have a radio in the background playing a song? legal but also not legal. The category for illegal is fast approaching overbroad.

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          @guest321 That may be so, but I sure doesn’t sound like you’re coming together to be social, you’re there to torrent, the social activity is the byproduct of torrenting, and it sounds like it’s main purpose is to determine what the best torrent is, and not so much to actually interact. When you send a file to a friend, that at least is byproduct of the friendship, and not the reason for it.

          @none Intent is important in such cases. They’re not trying to keep people from capturing their enjoyment of a song, or even capturing a random song in the background. It’s about keeping millions of people from downloading their media.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Let me put it like this: First let me say that both I and Rick speak from the perspective of experts in the field of IT.

          When you say “communication” isn’t a “song or a movie” I’m telling you that in real practice, it is. Compare it with in the old days mailing a copied sheet of note paper containing a symphony by Chopin. And then the recipient just plays that sheet music on his self-playing piano.

          It’s the same way with digital transfers. I could be sending someone a bunch of highly personal mails, an anti-government pamphlet, the chemical recipe for meth…or a song. The one and only way you could know the difference is in essence if you opened the communication and deciphered it completely.

          In short, for all intents and purposes, the only way you can discern what has been communicated is by reading the contents of the message. That’s why China can’t block it’s dissidents online despite sinking billions of Yuan and tens of thousands worth of people trying – they’ve seen there’s no real way of preventing “unwanted” communication without also blocking the wanted one.

          And that’s why acts such as SOPA, PIPA and ACTA were sunk – anyone who was an expert on IT realized early on that the unavoidable collateral would not only be citizen privacy – but the abolishment of the legal online services.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @Joshua Weikel

          “The government wants to track downloads of movie x, they know the file is say…7,834,953kb. So to identify instances of piracy, they look for file transfers of approximately that size….”

          Such a system would indeed be akin to using xrays and bombsniffing dogs.
          Pity it doesn’t work. To begin with, any file transfer is broken up in numerous bits, usually called “packets”, and transmitted piecemeal. It’s a given that some such packets are corrupted in transit and that flaw discovered only when compared at the recipient’s end with a checksum. The client then asks for these packets again – possibly from another client or another again, or the original.

          Hence the transmitted “file data is usually something like “7,834,953kb +- 5-25%“. That suddenly covers a lot of ground of where you become a “suspect”.

          After that, what about the files being sent as .zip files? With a degree of compression ranging from 10-70% we’re looking at a very wide range.

          What happens when you rip a DVD in two different formats? One produces a result 30% bigger than the other (or carries two different subtitle tracks).

          On top of all of this, transmissions aren’t coherent or necessarily in order. Where bittorrent is concerned for instance, all transmission for all requested files happen simultaneously, like a swarm of ants retrieving bits and pieces from four different files totally at random. How on earth would you even measure the size of what was being transmitted, given that it could be five different downloads but all you saw was a number of bits transferred per session.

          And of course, even to know how much was being transmitted meant you needed to monitor the people involved extensively for several days.

          The only way to actually see what was being sent is, to be blunt, to directly spy – to break into the communications stream and read – in clear text – EVERYTHING which is being transmitted. Which in many cases means you find a few songs, some highly personal and confidential correspondence, and possibly some legally confidential information as well.

          Would you say the online environment had been unacceptably compromised if your legal correspondence to your lawyer, banker, or doctor was being read and analyzed alongside with the letters and photos to and from your spouse/significant other in the hopes of catching a downloaded song or movie?

          Because that is, in the end, the only way of catching “pirates”.
          And actually, as China has discovered, pirates do far better here – encryption and proxies go a long way toward ensuring that at the end of the day, the only people being spied upon are “legitimate” citizens.

        • Zephyrfi

          “I agree that communication shouldn’t be monitored, but a song or movie isn’t communication. It’s a piece of media, and it’s illegal to upload/download them without permission.”

          Do you know anything about computers? Every communication is stream of data. There is no “piece of media” and “communication”. There is only stream of data. That stream of data can contain communication or piece of media or anything.

          Every shared binary file can be even modified for every copy without affecting its functionality.

          To be sure binary data is infringing, it would need to be extracted into that supposed binary file which is copyrighted, then used proper software to “play” or execute that file to see it is indeed the content expected to be in it (the copyrighted content).

          To be sure of this, every content “streaming” trough internet should be put back into full binary content the sender sent, no matter what type of communication that was… (yes every type of communication in internet is communication, even if its billions of packets of a movie)… Everything would need to be opened, read, played, executed, listened, …to determine if it indeed contains something “illegal”.

          THAT is where the danger is. To do THAT our privacy must be violated in so comprehensive way we cant even truly understand it.

        • Pelham123

          “I agree that communication shouldn’t be monitored, but a song or movie isn’t communication. It’s a piece of media”

          Bullshit. This may be the Internet’s dumb post of the day/ “Media” and “communications” are synonyms the words refer to the same thing. That’s true, legally, morally, culturally and in every other way. Trust me, copyright law applies equally to “communications” and “media.”

          “it’s illegal to upload/download them without permission”

          False. But more importantly, so what? This article is arguing that they SHOULDN”T be illegal, not that they aren’t. You are changing the subject.

          Good for you for having a blog, but here, today, you’re a troll, and not a very bright one.

        • Pelham123

          ” I don’t think they’re trying to crack down on people who send a song or two to their friends.”

          You don’t think? That’s all you got left?

          Then why haven’t they said that?

          I’ve heard them argue that “downloading is illegal, so it’s wrong, so it’s lllegal” – YOUR argument this morning. It doesn’t hold water.

          And don’t forget, “They” are not law enforcement. “They” are private citizens, just like you and I. We’re not taking about police doing their jobs, we’re talking about unaccountable private citizens trying to impose radical new controls on how we communicate for financial gain.

        • Pelham123

          “Torrents, for example; where you’re a random person downloading from (usually) several unknown people. You can hardly classify that as a social interaction.”

          So communications with strangers are not communications!?

        • Pelham123

          “But I have my beliefs on what is right and what is wrong.”

          You are not discussing your moral beliefs on this message board. Your subject, I thought, was the law.

          Lots of things are legal and morally wrong. Sometimes file-sharing is wrong. Since you conceded the rest, I’ll concede that. I’m going to buy a ticket for Skyfall, not watch the CAM copy, and that’s my moral position on the subject. Happy?

      • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

        “and if such a massive restriction on personal freedom and privacy doesn’t work, what will?”

        Asked and answered.

        Not only did I propose a (archaic) system, you shot it down. To which I replied that I don’t pretend to have all the answers.

        • Anyone

          well, your system doesn’t work ;)
          every logging can be circumvented with encryption, and you can’t ban encryption because you can’t ban math

          then all you are left with is massive privacy problems for people that don’t encrypt and no less piracy

          as I have said the only way to defeat piracy is to offer a better product, just like every business has to do in the free market

        • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

          And I wasn’t trying to give an actual viable system, I was trying to articulate what I was talking about, so as to not confuse my idea with one that would violate privacy.

          I knew my views wouldn’t be popular here, but I’ve done my best to be respectful and accommodate the reactions, but I have now spent 4 hours arguing my points and I’m now spent for the night. You haven’t swayed my opinion, as I’m sure I haven’t swayed yours, but I hope you have a better understanding of my point of view as I have a better understanding of yours.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Let’s assume for a moment that the people actually involved in IT make the claim that no such system as you envision could exist. That privacy can not be conserved at all if “Piracy” is to be fought.

          And consider this well – Rick, for instance, is a programmer, a former software service entrepreneur and a former employee at microsoft. He got into politics not because he was an ideologist – but because he noticed, the same way MANY IT techs have noticed – in just what direction we are heading.

          In short, he speaks from experience and knowledge. So do I.

          You claim not to be a programmer. Well, I have not heard any expert in the field – not one admit that such a system as you envision could exist.

          Indeed, most say – emphatically – that even assuming we move to a total end of privacy all that will do is bring us to where China is right now. An environment where dissidents do what they want online and some 60%+ of the hundred-million-strong online community are avid filesharers. despite all efforts by the government.

          You see, darknets and ad-hoc transmission are FAR more resilient than “legal” above-board ones. Any legislation with the requirement to shut down person A from transmitting a file to person B will shut down the entire internet first. We already have numerous examples of the collateral damage which will be done in any such legislation.

          The problem is that where you see “songs” and “movies” as being somehow “special and distinct” from other forms of communication, I’m saying that it just ain’t so. In very real terms, trying to catch a filesharer (or many such) is exactly like a situation such as in the old DDR where the police need to keep track of everyone who speaks for fear that some people sitting in a corner may be exhanging anti-government propaganda. It just isn’t realistic.

          It’s in effect a form of information control – and we know that online is no different than offline there. Irrespective of everyone whose knowledge about the internet is so bad they insist a solution from Hogwarts must be just around the corner.

          If you want to debate this issue in an arena where a lot of people are in fact experts, then you need to read up on Information Technology first.

    • Guest

      Uh, Joshua, you’re assuming the mail system in Rick’s part of the world works just like the mail system in your part of the world.

      Which may not be the case.

      • http://twitter.com/MovieGuru83 Joshua Weikel

        This is true, I didn’t consider that, I will qualify my argument by saying that I’m speaking about the mail system and laws in my country, which is the United States.

        But I doubt that the mail system is different, but even if it is, I think it’s fair to assume that most, if not all, countries have some systems in place to identify packages with illicit material.

        • Anyone

          generally they don’t
          some mail rooms in larger organizations have such systems in place for the mail directed at them, and at borders there can be some checks, but generally mail is not monitored

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Err.

          The online equivalent to bomb dogs and xray machines is called “firewalls, antivirus and spamfilters”.

          But that’s not what you are asking for. You are asking for a system which identifies what is written on the pages in the letter. Whether you had to open it or not, any such system, implemented regularly, would be a civil rights disaster.

          So actually Rick has a proper comparison to just about any part of the western world where the sanctity of the mail and messenger immunity has EVER been applied.

        • MadAsASnake

          Joshua – it’s interesting that you you hold a position that you admit cannot be implemented. In the real world, I am being put to bother, having my freedoms curtailed, and being taxed to finance a bunch of loosers that can’t figure out that the Internet is gods gift to them. They are that stupid. I notice also that you are banging on abot detecting and prosecuting illegal acts – do I assume you’d be in favour of sending George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to the Hague on war crimes charges? How about indicting Chris Dodd for bribery?

      • Guest

        “you’re assuming the mail system in Rick’s part of the world works just like the mail system in your part of the world.”

        As, apparently, is Rick.

    • Who

      the argument for Illegal downloading is that when the down loader claims the works as his own, then it is truly Illegal. if no claim is made, then no infringement can be proven.

      BUT that’s not how THEY want it to be. they want it to were ANY of there works, regardless of weather its a copy or not, that ANY one person can be hit or subjected to infringement.

      in other words, they want to control the copy’s they sell.

      in reality, when you sell something, *copy’s of movies/music/games….ex* “its/the copys” are no longer your property.

      so technically……they have no rights to claim copyright claims on the files that are getting shared over the web.

      but see that’s just it……they don’t see it that way because of how much greed has set in to there hearts/heads.

      but unless people stand up and fight this copy right horse shit, they will just continue to seek THERE justice.

    • Thom

      You know, there are different TYPES of mail. Some more secure than others, with different carriers, and differing types of policies, rules and regulations

      Currier ABC may have policies to encrypt your “mail” and safeguard it against intrusion at all cost, while Currier’s DEF don’t allow food to be transported and will inspect all packages.

      Though transporting food may not be illegal, but it may be a violation of DEF terms & conditions. Thus, you want to start using the ABC Currier if you want to transport certain types of packages that benefit your goals.

      Enough said.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      You haven’t really a clue what you are talking about, do you?

      Let me rephrase Rick’s comment above. In real terms the only way to catch, say “pirates” – or for that matter, government dissidents (think China) – is to ensure that NO ONE can ever communicate online without being spied upon.

      One of the primary reasons for this is because when you look at modern filesharing clients, anonymization, proxies and VPN, there is no obvious link between sender or recipient. Even in a straight-forward end-end transmission, mistakes in identification are inevitable.
      I’d invite you to check the study made by the University of Washington regarding why their NAT routers and wireless laser printers are routinely subjected to takedown notices, for instance. Or how previous attempts to do as you describe – cursory scans of traffic – resulted in legal threats being sent to people manifestly innocent, not living at that adress, or long since dead.

      The equivalent of x-rays and bomb dogs are NOT what Rick is discussing. The equivalent of what Rick describes is exactly what he states – to make the transit agency (post office) legally obligated for what they send, meaning they must open every letter in transit and read it.

      In short, you are either ignorant of what the actual comparison means…or you are simply trying to obfuscate your way out of a vivid real-world description of what internet surveillance and thirs-party liability actually means in this case.

    • http://falkvinge.net/ Rick Falkvinge

      “They do institute things like drug and bomb sniffing dogs and x-rays, etc. to detect such things. If they didn’t then drug and weapon trafficking would be MUCH easier. To me, it is no different if they find a way to track illegal downloads. That is, of course without giving up the right to privacy when doing legal activities.”

      Here’s your key assumption that makes your argument impossible.

      You argue that it must be possible to find copied material without giving up any privacy when doing legal activities, but it isn’t. Understanding that is key.

      It is impossible to sort something into one of two piles, “legal” and “illegal”, without looking at it.

      Also note that the copyright monopoly law isn’t the only law being applied here. The privacy laws are what should be applied online, and they aren’t. If the offline copyright monopoly laws and the offline privacy laws would be applied online exactly as they are offline – and there is no distinction made whatsoever in the text of law – then we would have the right to send anything to anybody without being tracked, eavesdropped, or censored.

      You want people to act in accordance with the law? That means people can send anything to anybody, untracked and uncensored.

      You want people to act in accordance with just some laws, namely the copyright monopoly laws? That’s fine, but don’t use terms like “legal” and “illegal” to underpin your argument, in that case.

      Cheers,
      Rick

  • SteveTapp

    Excellent analysis!

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  • Freedom of Speech

    Rick is awesome!!! Everyone should check out his website: falkvinge(dot)net

  • Guest

    After reading torrentfreak for a few weeks – I really learned to hate the entertainment industry and big business associated with it. I don’t download stuff and I certainly will curtail my media purchasing habits.

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  • PelouzeTF

    You probably would say “so what” Rick….you have a country with almost zero entertainment industry. You do have a fair number of hosts that profit from piracy, so that makes sense I suppose.

    Letter = the same as all online sharing….tee hee, I do thank you for this weekends TF laughs :)

    • Anyone

      you know which industry is bigger than Hollywood?
      pet toys

      let that sink in for a while, Hollywood is not nearly as important as it claims to be

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      The American Entertainment Industry can and will thrive as something other than an oligopolistic media cartel with legally protected control of Intellectual Property in Perpetuity. A fairer system for Creative Artists and Consumers is possible. Zero Cost Digital Distributors don’t necessarily have to be the privileged recipients of obscene economic premiums…… And, most importantly, your tired eternal repetitions of logical distractions and discredited irrelevancies could be improved to express a coherent, perhaps persuasive defense for the current copyright regime, if that is possible. I don’t mean offense, implying that you personally are not coherent or persuasive; merely, that perhaps there is no such thing as a coherent or persuasive justification for the existing legal regime that empowers monopoly control of Intellectual Property by digital distributors in perpetuity…… I have no faith that I could do a better job than you of defending the position of Corporate Copyright Holders., My question is, “Can Anyone?”

    • Fredrika

      > “You probably would say “so what” Rick….you have a country with almost zero entertainment industry.”

      Are you saying that fascism is ok if it provides profit? It’s always nice when you clarify your truest political belief.

      Regardless, that astonishing opinion of yours is completely irrelevant, because the argument was not based on whether any profit was affected by piracy or not, and secondly, as you are fully aware of, there exists no scientific evidence whatsoever that indicates that on-line non-profit piracy cause any harm to neither society, the economy, culture, creators, the content industry’s current record revenues nor the goal with copyright, so your entire line of reasoning is a red herring.

      > “You do have a fair number of hosts that profit from piracy, so that makes sense I suppose.”

      Again you put forward this lie. No on-line service, such as hosts</i<, profit from piracy any more than what Sony does when they sell blank media, CD-burners or double cassette decks. The courts have clarified that fact many times over and over again during the last thirty years.

      The operations of the hosts is by the law considered fully legal, the courts have already ruled on that, and there is no piracy on their behalf, any more than what there is piracy on Sony’s behalf. Get this fact through your head. The courts had no problem with that. Why do you?

      > “Letter = the same as all online sharing….tee hee, I do thank you for this weekends TF laughs

      According to the U.N. charter of human rights and freedom of speech letter is the same thing as all on-line sharing. There is no exception in §12 or §19 of the U.N. charter of human rights, that excludes use of copyright works from those rights. Read it yourself if you don’t believe me.

      But reading up on facts, accepting reality and human rights isn’t your thing, now is it, when it stands in the way of your beloved fascist society?

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Zero Entertainment Industry”.

      ABBA.
      The Sounds.
      Ace of Base.
      Blue Swede.
      Roxette.
      Robyn.
      Meja.
      the Knife.
      The Hives.
      The Cardigans.
      Europe.
      Hammerfall.
      In Flames.
      The Ark.
      BWO.
      E-type.

      Yeah. True, we have “no entertainment industry” to speak of.

      Honetly, PelouzeTF…isn’t it about time you started fact-checking before you made an ass out of yourself.

      So far, damn near every little one-line comeback of yours has only managed to serve as a deliciously ironic reinforcement of the original poster’s statement and I’m wondering whether that is actually your intent…

      • PelouzeTF

        Yes SDM – your list of 15 Swedish acts (some of whom are not even together anymore, touring with old material etc etc) is all anyone needs to know about Swedens current music output.

        You think anyone needs to spend hours researching what they already know ?

        Let not even get into Swedish films – its even more dismal (Sweden ranks below Switzerland)

        As a country, Swedens entertainment contributions doesn’t register on a global scale….no matter what you think, and everyone knows it.

        • gange

          ” What people do not know is
          that Sweden is the third biggest music export country
          per capita in the world and that Swedish music, arts and
          culture is a very important part of the image abroad. ”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Sweden#cite_note-0
          Just shut up :p

        • PelouzeTF

          “per capita” lol. big deal. Any other useless stats ?

        • gange

          Latest stats tells the world that your comments are worthless. :p

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Really?

          Because proportionally taken, the number of Swedish artists on global charts outranks just about that of any other country.

          And as for Sweden’s “entertainment contributions” not registering on a global scale. Nope, sorry, you really need to pull your head out of la-la land and start looking at hard facts.

          By that account, The UK didn’t produce any international culture registering more than a blip either.

        • PelouzeTF

          Yes “per capita” again, like I didn’t already know that before either you or gange posted it. It still is never going to mean that Sweden has even the smallest amount at stake compared to other countries of the world, just because you attempt to make Swedens music output appear more impressive than it is on a global scale by using “per capita” lol.

          And why are you focusing on music….file-sharing isnt limited to music lol so why are you so hell bent on focusing on Swedens music stats ?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @PelouzeTF

          “And why are you focusing on music….file-sharing isnt limited to music lol so why are you so hell bent on focusing on Swedens music stats ?”

          Well, we could start in on “Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” and other productions of the swedish film industry which have either gone global or become hollywood remakes…

          But the salient point to be made is that being a Swede IN NO WAY means you aren’t fully capable of following the problems posed by “copyright” in full detail. Per capita speaking we are far more savvy and have far more experience than most of the US – by a long shot.

          Basically your original claims still fail and your attempts at discrediting the quite reasonable responses do as well.

          At this point you are very deep in Anon-land, PelouzeTF, and only digging yourself deeper. All I really need to ask is where, specifically, is Rick wrong, given all the evidence and facts to the contrary? and your entire line of argumentation falls to pieces as irrelevant.

        • PelouzeTF

          Well, you could start with GWDT. I certainly enjoyed the trilogy (paid of course). But then what ? You’ve got one well known recent film so far. You could try to add another 20 of course but as a country, you’re not making a dent in “real output” regardless of “per capita” or any other useless stat you might want to come up with.

          Where is Rick wrong ? …Where did I say he was wrong to “demand” something ?. He (just like anyone) can demand laws apply equally online and offline, I dont see anyone saying he cant. So what are you talking about ?

          One interesting point….I noticed that he did say

          “we demand our children inherit the civil liberties that our parents fought, bled and often died to give to us. It’s an entirely reasonable demand.”

          Our parents ? hmm….so WW2 I’m guessing………wasn’t Sweden neutral throughout the whole of ww2….meaning the parents and grandparents that Rick is referring to…..they can’t be Swedish because they didn’t fight for anything….other peoples did, just saying ;)

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “Maybe it was something else lol….but sure as shit, those people didn;t fight so you could sit on your ass al day downloading copy-written music, videos, games and software.”

          Quite true. Those people fought so that we could have basic rights of privacy and communication.

          If we have basic rights of privacy and communication then we can indeed sit on our asses downloading whatever all day long. The one inescapably brings the other. In claiming otherwise you are simply hip-deep in denial, cruising blithely through la-la land.

          Just about the only thing you are correct in claiming is that Sweden did not fight. It rolled over and had it’s military guarding German prisoner transports going to and from Norway.

          It’s, for me, a good thing I have ancestry in other nordic countries where resistance was functional then.

  • Furious Canadian

    Wow, what an awesome text!

    You just show how their business model is passed out as I am referring to MPAA/RIAA and other suckers of this kind.

    However, I guess we will have to fight for our rights once again!

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  • Na

    Joshua Weikel, dancing round the flames. Capitalism causes all this crap. Greedy me me me types, wish they would all curl up and die.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    The critical distinction here is the distinction that must be made between the primacy of pecuniary interests and the primacy of individual civil liberties.

    We must be shocked, even horrified, at how effectively major monopoly corporations have advanced the proposition within the American and European legislatures that their pecuniary interests are AS important, or MORE important than the fundamental constitutional rights of Individual Citizens.

    In a sane Democratic Society in which average Citizens understood the implications of having their Constitutional Rights defined as secondary to those of Corporations, three hundred million Americans and five hundred million Europeans would be storming the Democratic ramparts demanding proofs of the continued existence of that Moral and Legal Balance that has historically guaranteed their Popular Sovereignty.

    What has made it so difficult?

    In fact, what has made it almost impossible, for even the most enlightened and most progressive politicians (that’s you Rick) to effectively advance the simple truth that our founding fathers declared Self Evident; that the Constitutional Rights of every Citizen were the Supreme priority of our Democratic Governance?

    Suggestion: Today, our most enlightened and progressive politicians are consumed in the waging of a thousand separate battles. They have yet to engage the one indispensable war.

    They can be found at the forefront of the fight for a free Internet. They can be found challenging the multi-trillion dollar bail-outs of failed monopoly banks. They are the first line of defense against rampant state censorship. They are behind sane environmental policies; often in direct opposition to corporate pollution (as in the case of fracking). They are heard to raise the loudest hue and cry when national intelligence agencies are caught red handed spying on domestic citizens. They are behind the Occupy movement’s challenge to the corruption of global financial institutions. In respect to current Copyright Law, they are the most articulate critics of the Corporate thesis that Corporate custody and control of Intellectual Property in perpetuity is either a wise or responsible social policy.

    Yet, despite whatever success has been achieved in these disparate areas, Corporate Power and the fundamental thesis of Corporate Power (that the pecuniary interests of Corporations have equal or higher constitutional primacy to the Civil liberties of Individual citizens) seems always to reappear with new and greater impact elsewhere in the judicial or legislative system.

    We MUST understand why?

    Suggestion: Although the Power of Corporations appears to us like a multi-headed Hydra, it does in fact have one source: That source is the WRITTEN law.

    Why?

    Because the Civil Law codes of every jurisdiction of the American and European Democracies actually contain the same written language that empowers corporations to claim Constitutional Rights on a par with the Constitutional rights of Individual Citizens. This was a god forsaken nineteenth century error in human history: a fascistic time bomb at the heart of all our human rights. That written language universally says in all our Civil Codes that Corporations are “perpetual artificial persons” endowed with “Legal Standing before the Courts and Legislatures” and “having all the legal rights of Natural Persons”.

    This is the single unified source of all Corporate Power in the Western Democracies.

    Corporations will tell us that the Civil Law Codes could ONLY be written in this way.

    But we know that those codes could be re-written to state clearly that Corporations are PROPERTY and NOT People; that they have NO Legal Standing Comparable to or equal to that of Human Beings; that they have NO legal rights to be present in our Democratic Legislatures unless Summoned, either with their advice or with their Money.

    THIS is the war that we MUST win. All else is Preface or Democratic Obituary.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Actually, our Constitution and civil codes say nothing of the sort. The whole idea of ‘corporate personhood’ is a new invention created in the past 50 years by various lawyers who should have been hung at the gallows as soon as they tried to push that bullshit.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        What is “nothing of the sort?”

        I’ve never said that attributes of Corporate Personhood are Constitutionally sourced.

        However, I’ve never heard of an American Jurisdiction that fails to include the standard attributes of Corporate Personhood, as I’ve described them, under the law of Corporations. Could be very different in Europe, but I suspect the fundamentals are the same.

        I emphasized that it is WRITTEN Law for a very important reason:

        I have often emphasized that the best hope for Copyrights dissidents (whether in respect to MegaUpload; Six Strikes; etc) lies in highest level Appellate Review. Why? Because Constitutional Courts care deeply about Constitutional principles consistently applied; and, are inclined to give the civil rights of individual citizens significant regard. However, precisely because the attributes of Corporate Personhood are so explicitly written; and have been so entrenched in practice, I don’t think that Constitutional Review will do anything other than re-affirm the power of Corporations to express the primacy of their Rights over the Rights of Individual citizens. Why? Because even in the most functioning Democracies (perhaps ESPECIALLY in the most functioning Democracies) Appellate Courts tend to defer to the explicit written intent of the Legislatures.

        The message of the American Supreme Court has been, “This is your explicit written Law. If it needs changing, Change it!”

        That means that Individual Citizens will find no traction in respect to the disenfranchizing and corrupting power of Corporations in the Democratic Legislatures via the Courts.

        It is a POLITICAL problem requiring a POLITICAL solution. Moreover, it is THE immediate political problem; because, citizens will not begin to curtail the corporate power expressed in Monopoly control of Markets; perpetuity of Copyright and other corporate entitlements; social and political control of Citizens through imposed Commercial TOSs; and, the subversion of Official police authority to the enforcement and protection of Corporate privileges and priorities, until and unless they begin to address the problem of Corporate Personhood residing in the Civil Law.

  • foff

    I can download a perfectly good rip of almost any blu-ray movie that comes out. No where does the industry provide a good rip at a reasonable cost. What the industry refuses to accept is that a digital copy is considerably less valuable then a disc. There is no chance of reselling a digital copy or the copy becoming a collectors item and there is greater chance the digital copy will be lost or destroyed. All it takes is a disk failure and if there is no backup you are toast. If the industry sold a good quality rip in mkv format unemcumbered with copy protection they could would make much more then they are selling a disc but they seem dense on this subject.

    How does this apply to the subject? In my mind true piracy has a financial component. If I created a site and actually sold rips or memberships this is definitely piracy. But if someone rips it and offers it for free on a site then this is the equivalent of a library. They don’t require a library to have special licenses to loan a book or pay thousands of dollars for every copy of book to cover the cost of everyone that reads it.

    I believe digital copies should be pennies on the dollar compared to printed copies. I will never ever warm to the idea paying the same or even close as I do for a digital copy. I can buy a used book read it and recoup most of my cost since I can’t do that with a digital copy it means digital copies to me are worth no more then a dollar or two If I can’t get it for that then piracy here I come.

    For the industry to insist on trying to push the old ways in the digital world and to stop most piracy would mean they would have to turn the internet into nazi land and exercise complete worldwide domination of the internet. So Rick is right in a sense since this won’t happen. The industry needs to adapt and forget about trying to control the internet or they will perish. Finally all you fucks there that talk about stealing need to back off. Stealing is depriving someone of property. Depriving someone of potential profit is called good business. As I stated since the industry is fucking stupid to compete on the the internet they need shut the fuck up and go away and leave out freedoms alone.

  • Anon

    Piracy is wrong and history teaches us that when people abuse rights, they lose them. That’s what is happening now. Darwin was right. And pirates win the Darwin Award.

    • Colin Carr

      God has spoken, piracy is worse than Satanism.

      Oh, just a minute, how can God agree with Darwin when so many Darwinists deny His existence.

      “and history teaches us that when people abuse rights, they lose them.” You refer here to the MAFIAAs self awarded right to invade other peoples’ privacy I assume.

    • Fredrika

      > “Piracy is wrong..”

      Is it now? Strange claim, not even backed up by any actual argument for why that would be the case..

      However, generally it’s not considered wrong to disobey illegitimate legislation, on the contrary it’s usually considered the right thing to do, so by rather well established social norms that have existed for a long time in western democratic societies, piracy is right, and you were wrong. Nothing new there though.

      > “..and history teaches us that when people abuse rights, they lose them.”

      You mean that when the monopoly holders abuse their copyright monopoly, they will lose it? Correct, they will, and in the mean time, it has already been rendered irrelevant, thanks to technical advancements.

      Something else history teaches us is that every time the monopoly holders have fought piracy, they have lost.

      It almost looks as if you are attempting history revisionism? Common practice by those who are ashamed for their wrongdoings i guess.

      > “That’s what is happening now. Darwin was right. And pirates win the Darwin Award.”

      Clearly a misinterpretation of reality, as your previous claims where in fact incorrect, and not backed up by any facts, but since it’s coming from you, i guess we shouldn’t be to surprised?

      After all, it’s coming from someone who lacks the most basic economical knowledge and haven’t got the faintest idea of how business is.

      from someone that can’t keep a creative work apart from a good or a service.

      from someone that doesn’t understand the concept of accountability.

      from someone that doesn’t understand the most fundamental basics about encryption.

      from someone that doesn’t understand global politics, but instead seriously believing that for the first time in history all nations on the planet will come together, sing Cumbaya, and require licensing for VPN’s and encryption, just to protect the profits of some weak failed US entrepreneurs(that deserve no monetary reward whatsoever according to the free market rules), despite the fact that the worlds strongest economy just threw that pathetic idea out the window.

      from someone who’s main argument is because, just like a five year old.

      from someone that believes in imaginary property, and possibly other imaginary things, despite the fact that imaginary property clearly damages the economy.

      Now remind me, you’re the one that’s to afraid to comment on already existing next-generation filesharing protocols, right? You know those that can’t be stopped neither legislatively nor technically, that make the illegitimate non-profit parts of the copyright monopoly completely obsolete once and for all, and making the pirates untouchable?

      You’re that scared of commenting on reality, right?

      And you’re the one that for some reason wanna damage the US economy by upholding your imaginary property monopolies, and you have no problem with fascism and dismantling civil liberties and to do that, regardless of the damage that would cause society?

      And you’re the one, who like communists doesn’t accept the free market, instead advocating against it?

      You do remember who you are, right? Everyone else here does.

    • Guest

      Aw, are you two still mad about Evan Stone and HADOPI?

      Tell you what, Anon and daddy Pelouzey. When you’ve finished campaigning against VCRs and jukeboxes, let us know.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Oh, so in other words the rights of the human rights charter of the UN and the EU can and should be conveniently discarded because someone communicates what you personally think should not be communicated?

      You realize you just made the case for Sovjet, China, Iran and the DDR, right? Good going, Baghdad Bob.

      • Anon

        The General Assembly of the United Nations proclaiming Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
        ARTICLE 27 Section 2?(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

        You are badly over your head here. Go back to school.

        • Fredrika

          > “You are badly over your head here. Go back to school.”

          No, that advice is more relevant for you, because you are the one that evidently don’t understand what the U.N. charter of human rights actually says.

          First study §30, which clearly says that the protection that the author(not any later copyright holder) has a right to of an eventual copyright monopoly, can not interfere with any other rights, such as §12 or §19. There are no exceptions in §12 or 19 that says that those rights don’t apply if any copyrighted works happens to be involved.

          There is no abuse of rights by pirates. There is however by the monopoly holders.

          And no, people do not lose their human rights just because anyone claims that any abuse takes place. Arguing that things should be otherwise is indeed the same arguing that is used in Sovjet, China, Iran and DDR, and that is exactly the inhumane fascism that you advocate, that human rights should go out the window just because you don’t like what people use those rights for, and as such you are no different from any dictator or fascist.

          But that you have a huge problem with human rights, civil liberties and democracy, in addition to the free market, is no news.

          And that you are deadly afraid of actually arguing in a sustainable way, or responding when your lies, misconceptions and propaganda is refuted, is also well known.

        • none

          The UN is a complete fucking joke! The UN says it infringes no right to cut off part of a male baby’s body, but doing so to a girl infringes a right.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Did you read up on the article guaranteeing every being a right to personal privacy? Articles 12 in case you missed it.

          And after that, how about you read at the end of the articles where it emphatically states that no article is allowed to be used as a means of transgressing someone elses rights as guaranteed by said article.

          And bear in mind, the articles of the UN statute applies specifically to governments. No government may use article 27 as an excuse to override ANY OTHER of the articles in the statutes.

          Since copyright enforcement will be riding roughshod over at least two of them (11 and 12 most notably, and a case may be made for article 19), it’s quite clear who is over their head here. You.

          Before trying to correct others, be sure to have your own facts straight. Learning how to read would be a good start. And seriously, before you cherry-pick one sentence from the long list of articles, read the whole list. You might learn something.

          I especially found it tantalizing that you forgot that article 27 has two sections, only one of which you bothered to quote:

          Article 27

          Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

          Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

          Not even article 27 standing alone confers an iron-clad defense for copyright.

          Once again, Baghdad Bob, not even close.

        • SS7

          Bastard – let me know who define what is leggal and what is illegal , who define what is scientific, literary or artistic production and what is not , who define any borders , whos make the laws, any laws , who say what is good for us and what is not ? The answer is – only greedy rich people ( corrupted politicians, tax evasioners etc etc ) NOT common people
          These bastards foolish and manipulate people to show respect for their laws , but these laws apply just for others not for they , with these laws they enslave more people and keep them busy , stupid like a riots , without thinking , always these laws was an good excuse to prosecute people and takes people rights if someone stand up and show the truth to others – JUST REMEMBER the past is full with injustice ,with wrongs , mistakes , inocent collateral victims, many forms of censorships ,

          So fuck your laws any system laws ! all of them doesnt represent me and im shure a lot people

          These maffia systems care JUST ABOUT MONEY ! NOT about people , nature , not about artists , etc etc not about anything else except their intersts – MONEY

          ” Piracy is wrong ! ” indeed is wrong for they becouse think loose money loose monopoly , loose manipulation loose control – becouse people have finally free acces at education , informations at culture and after they cant be foolished so easy to be obedient , to work for nothing like slaves , to respect “maffia” laws and help these bastards to keep monopoly and stop progress to make more money (becouse technology ,education and smart people are the enemy of “maffia” and always was – thats why they try now like in past to stop all of these )

          Piracy today it is a form of faith with corrupted systems, with corporations which enslave and manipulate people , it is a form to propagate education and culture , it is a form of advertising of eduaction , a frorm of freedom, which let a chance to people to know more , to have acces at informations, which lte freedom of choice to choose after people was informed , it is a form which broke monopoly
          , many many people are now much educate today becouse of internet freedom , becouse of that blamed piracy. maybe these people dont have money , and arent more rich materially but they and world shure are more rich – spiritually – thats matter for progres , but who care about people ,who care ? Bastards want just fukin MONEY !

          JUST stupid and foolished manipulated people can belive in actual laws and fair systems (there on this planet people never have freedom , never have rights – just illusions becouse some of humans have just sick greedy malicious minds , these minds always stop progress , always want to rule and have total power total control even these are JUST illusions )

          Anyway they will never win war, becouse pirates always exist pirates = freedom , no manipulation , no fear about prosecution , mean fight for rights, fight for freedom ,and always pirates was smart (to win , to make piracy must have be smarter then others always ) now new pirates have more skills and inteligence and their weapon is smart brain , always they will win becouse have something which cannot be taken – brain , even they will be killed others will born and will continue so that will never end -pirates, piracy will never die , maybe just when world will change

  • Guest32

    “If they are able to detect an illegal download, then I don’t think such a system should be viewed any
    differently than the system they use to track down bombs, drugs, weapons, or other illicit material.”

    But transmission of copyrighted content is not necessarily an illicit transaction. It depends on the circumstances.

    It’s not transmitting the material that is copyright infringement, but the lack of permission from the copyright holder that makes the act unlawful.

    If I encrypt all data and send a packet to my friend over the internet, the government can’t effectively monitor/filter the contents without breaking the encryption, and even if it could, it would only establish that I have sent my friend a copy of a work protected by the copyright monopoly.

    The copyright monopoly is not absolute, and in many nations downloading and sharing copyrighted material among family and friends is legal provided it isn’t on a non-commercial scale.

    So scanning/filtering/monitoring for copyright infringement is impossible, unless you have a human verifying each transaction, or you can verify tby exact hash that the packet contents constitute a re-transmission or distribution already found to be illegal by a human operator.

    Any automatic filtering violates due process, and could be easily circumvented by use of encryption.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I think you meant to say at the end “it isn’t on a commercial scale”.

      I agree totally with your post with that correction. I have no problem slamming down on people who sell other people’s works for money, that is plain wrong.

      But non-profit sharing? That is what we encourage children to do when they are young, it’s a basic tenet of society that you share with others who are less privileged than you.

      • Hello

        Well I guess when children can copy and paste their toys, this would be a valid rebuttal.

  • Guest32

    “But the fact is, in the US, it IS a
    criminal offense, and I agree that it should be.”

    No, you are wrong. Copyright infringement in itself is not a criminal offense, but the US definition of criminal copyright infringement is broader than that in force in most European countries.

    It might well cover some aspects of trading of copyrighted material, whereby someone trades material thereby sparing money. The rationale is that there is commercial advantage when someone obtains material for which he in the yes of the law would have to pay.

    This is perverse, but still not a justification for sniffing all mails for copyright infringing packets.

    Such a system would still catch much copyright infringement that is still only subject to civil remedies.

    Why should society externalize the copyright lobby’s enforcement costs onto the taxpayer?

    Even if one believes that some instances of copyright should be civil torts, you are really out of your mind if you defend collectivizing the industry’s enforcement costs.

    If copyright is to stay, I think it’s only fair that those insisting that copyright is property pay all enforcement costs. After all, it’s not the taxpayer’s property and he gets nothing in return, so any honest discussion of civil liberties should start with determining who is to pay.

    But this discussion is moot, because only the US is tso crazy as to make non-commercial file sharing criminal.

    In Europe, file sharing when done properly is either covered by a private levy legalizing the activity or only a civil tort.

    And of course, Americans also pay a levy on blank media but gets nothing in return.

  • Guest

    “While authorities don’t have a right
    to to open mail without cause, that doesn’t mean that they are completely powerless to intercept harmful/illegal letters or packages. They do institute
    things like drug and bomb sniffing dogs and x-rays, etc. to detect such things. ”

    You are missing the distinction between illegal and criminal. Copyright infringement on a non-commercial scale is not a crime, but only a civil wrong.

    If the activity is not criminal but only civilly actionable, it is not the government’s business to legislate an infrastructure that makes it easier for private parties to enforce civil claims.

    If the activity is not yet criminalized, there is no compelling argument for restricting my right to privacy and anonymity. Most copyright infringement is not a wrong against society equal with violence, physical theft and sexual abuse, but only a tort against an economic monopoly.

    If you can make a case for upgrading all instances of copyright infringement to criminal offenses, we can fairly debate to what extend privacy, anonymity should be balanced against the public interest.
    And let us also have a honest dialogue about the reasonableness of shifting the costs onto the public. I see no benefits.

    But comparing sending bombs which is criminal with the civil tort of copyright infringement is comparing oranges to apples.

    Further, copyright infringement is not a black and white determination. There is fair use, private copying levies and numerous other exemptions which sometimes makes transmission and exchange of copyrighted content legal.

    This is another reason why your bomb analogy fails. Sending a bomb in the mail is inherently harmful and therefore illegal, but sending a envelope with copyrighted content to a friend is not necessarily illegal – and even so likely only a civil tort.

    And it’s another reason why automatic filtering and monitoring for copyright infringement in order to be effective violates privacy, anonymity and due process.

    It can’t distinguish between commercial, non-commercial piracy, fair use and other activities treated differently under the law.

    • none

      Comments like “sexual abuse” are unhelpful. You can’t convince anyone that you have integrity in what you say when you promote what are often political crimes like sexual abuse. Men are ‘raped’ by the media on mere accusation of sexual abuse these days and it’s perpetrated by a political spectrum of retards-conservatives to liberal feminists- like yourself. The disgrace is that it never crossed your mind to throw it in with the more established crimes you listed.

      • Bloaxor

        Since when has making a comparision for the scale of the subject been “comments”?

        What he is saying is that “Most Copyright Infringement” is NOT on par with those things. It really doesn’t get much clearer than that.

        So what’s the point of this reply again? I’d sure like to know myself.

        • none

          Read it.

  • Guest33

    “No, the premise that when something is sent through the mail, authorities have no power to prevent illegal activity.”

    And this premise of yours is wrong, since the government does not have such power. It can inspect the mail, but only on individualized probable cause. What Falkvinge speaks of is general data retention and monitoring of communication in order to enforce copyright law.
    And such a system was not accepted before the advent of modern surveillance technology.

    But if copyright law is to be effectively enforced, there has to be monitoring and logging of even private communication and a ban on encryption.

    Falkvinge’s premise is apart from his disagreement with the tenets of copyright not that everything sent in the mail can never be inspected, but rather that the general prevention paradigm violates civil liberties.

    And when reading your claim about MU knowing and willingly profitting from copyright infringement, and that you don’t care about whether MU complied with all four corners of the DMCA, I can only conclude that you are willing to sacrifice due process and privacy on the altar of copyright.

    • Hello

      Is it really private if it is routed through a public exchange? The example in this article would actually be like writing your letter on the outside of an envelope and expecting no one to actually read what you wrote.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        The postcard comparison?

        Well, yes, but even with postcards most nations agree that it is a definite breach of privacy for a 3rd party to actively read and record what is written on the card.

        And as far as filesharing goes the name of the game today is encryption which is the equivalent of sealing your mail in a strong lockbox with the label “Only to be opened by recipient” on it.

  • Lame

    Why does Torrent freak get more hackish by the day? I use to enjoy article written here. Now the articles are filled with false analogies and poor conclusions.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Rick is actually a programmer so the analogies he draws are very valid.

      However, if you are unable to follow the logic in a perfectly valid comparison, perhaps the blame lies with your lack of erudition?

      • ScrewEwe2

        erudition? Ya see Scary, that’s one of the main reasons I’ve been coming here for years, so I can eventually become a more erudite dude.

        I try hard not to be the smartest person in the room and I am succeeding beyond all expectations.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Well, given that a number of the pro-copyright trolls around here seem not to understand ordinary english, occasionally i hit them with synonyms to see if that goes through instead.

          Oh, just in case…Erudite = Knowledgeable, wise, “In the know”…for those who still aren’t. :)

  • Colin Carr

    The idea that inspecting everybody’s internet activities to pursue the fairly small percentage of internet users who download music/movies etc that infringe someone’s copyright is OK; is similar to agreeing that the East German Stasi (secret security police) had the moral right to open everyone’s letters JUST IN CASE somebody wrote something the government did not like. I do seem to recall the Western democracies, led by the USA, berating the E. Germans for this attack on civil liberties

    First, it assumes guilt. But in a democracy we generally hold that people are innocent unless proved guilty.

    Second, it is hugely disproportionate. Why should millions of people who don’t even know how to download a Micro$oft Windows update from Micro$oft, let alone how to download movies from TPB, be included in this dragnet?

    Third, it is a gross invasion of privacy. If it’s OK for the government to routinely surveil me without a genuine belief that I’m doing something criminal (not downloading a file); then it’s OK for me to surveil Mrs Obama taking a shower.

    Fourth, as copyright infringement is a civil, not a criminal matter, it should be up to the copyright holders to bring civil actions against infringers without dumping their problem (an outdated business model) on the state.

    Having said that, we then come up against the fact that an IP address, like a corporation, is not actually a person. Oh, and let’s not forget the many shyster lawyers making unsubstantiated threats, but offering ‘settlements’.

    • Hello

      You dont like it, make your own internet and download files from that. It is that easy. If you know all this then why continue to use these services. No one is forcing you to.

      • Colin Carr

        Well, although you were really telling me to f*** off, your idea may have some merit. You see, it’s not just me that doesn’t like governments doing the bidding of their corporate briber… (So sorry, SUPPORTERS!) instead of keeping their campaign promises to the VOTERS who elected them. It’s millions of us around the world who don’t it.
        So when I see Kim Dotcom talking about a 2nd broadband network in NZ, I realise that somebody far more capable than me, may just be heading in that direction.
        That would really ruin your day, wouldn’t it?…;-)

      • Guest

        “You dont like it, make your own internet and download files from that. It is that easy. If you know all this then why continue to use these services. No
        one is forcing you to.”

        So you are saying that data retention and other antiprivacy laws should not apply to what I do with my own property? If I want to create a new internet network or bulletproof hosting, you think I should have a right to do so?

        You are either dense or trolling. Rick Falkvinge’s and others’ concern is governmental action, which no one can avoid by appeal to private property.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Actually, that is what is happening. Darknets are the modus operandi of choice meaning that for all intents and purposes, any participant in an i2p or f2f network is actually running their own version of an internet.

  • Guest

    “Is it really private if it is routed through a public exchange? ”

    Yes, as much as the contents of a telephone conversation is protected by the Fourth Amendment and the broader protection enshrined in the European human rights instruments.

    The contents goes over a network which is owned by the public, as much like physical mail gets transported over public roads.

    Why should an email be different from snailmail?

    “The example in this article would actually be like writing your letter on the outside of
    an envelope and expecting no one to actually read what you wrote.”

    No nno no, it’s more like the government mandating by law that all letters must either be written in cleartext, or only written on postcards and that any sender and recipient of physical snailmail must identify himself by fingerprint or passport.

    And in most democratic countries, you can legally send someone an anonymous letter.

  • maryhinge

    an envelope is a vessel to carry a message. the message inside can be in plain language or encrypted. doubling the security this way insures against the real criminals getting our information. All we have to do is use this same mind set in the digital world, after all, it is not only the authorities that would steal our cyber letters(files), there are cyber criminals as well so to sum this article up, yes, try and change the world of internet that is evolving quickly by all means, but also, let us become more ingenious in our methods of file transport, after all, the government transfer billions of files daily over the internet from point to point, without a single pleb knowing what where when. surely we can adopt the same methods, it would be the ultimate, so there, fingers up moment in history, that would feel so good

    • Freedom of Speech

      Absolutely right!! Truecrypt is free encryption software, very useful, everybody should be using it!

  • Dansouza

    Intersting to see how the argumentation goes onceit is clear that it is based on convenience! when pirates want to say industry in general need to change and adapt for new technologies…then when its convenient,pirates defenders use the “old” lawsfor justify their actions! decide please: or we live in a new world and need new law applications (to all) orwe keep the old principles…you can’t use both just at your convenience, it is, at least, contradictory.

    • Fredrika

      > “when pirates want to say industry in general need to change and adapt for new technologies.”

      That has nothing to do with law, that has to do with basic economical rules, and the fact that they are trying to sell something which is no longer needed. If they wanna continue to make money they have to change. No law stipulates that they have a right to make money in certain way forever just because that’s convenient to them.

      > “..then when its convenient,pirates defenders use the “old” lawsfor justify their actions!”

      You are misinterpreting things. Pirates are not trying to justify anything, because justification is not needed for peoples actions, justification is only required regarding the prohibitions in law, and it’s mechanisms. When they aren’t properly justified people do whatever they want, as pirate.

      > “decide please: or we live in a new world and need new law applications (to all) orwe keep the old principles…you can’t use both just at your convenience, it is, at least, contradictory.”

      The laws are contradictory yes, because the oldest and most important law, which is usually written into national constitutions, says that private communication is just that, and then the newer law, the copyright monopoly, which isn’t constitutional, but civil law, says that is has a right to control what’s communicated in private communication, and that’s not possible while keeping the oldest law, so that is a contradiction. The contradiction does not come from the pirates for pointing this out.

      The problem is that the copyright monopoly should never have been written the way it is on the first place, it has been made up if clearly illegitimate legislation all along, but it’s just recently thanks to Internet that the contradiction has been driven to it’s extreme, and naturally the copyright monopoly has to take a step backwards, because it’s need can’t even be proven in the first place, while the concept of private communication certainly has a need.

      Private communication and anonymity is in fact human rights, which the copyright monopoly on the other hand isn’t, and the protection of the copyright monopoly, which is a human right for the author, not any later copyright holder, can not interfere with private communication, as stated in §30 in the U.N. charter of human rights.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      No it is not as we are perfectly consistent:

      Here is our moral argument, in a nutshell:

      http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_8s12.html

      I think you will agree that this argument is, indeed, old.

      And as for the technical argument, it is the same one which has been used since 1906 when the copyright maximalists were in arms about the self-playing piano. Seen again in the 1950′s when the cassette tape was invented. That you can not restrict the existence of technology simply because that technology enables the ordinary citizenry to communicate in new and better ways.

      “Pirates” have been extremely consistent about both the moral argument and the technological view. It is, in fact the copyright industry which keeps changing it’s tune. You may want to study the number of times the copyright industry has flip-flopped about their stance on an issue for “convenience” however.

      It is quite clear that aside from poor spelling and grammar you also lack education and history of the very topic you are trying to discuss.

      Your argument has all the cohesion and relevance which the Catholic church had when they attempted to preserve their sole right to read and interpret scripture in the 16th century.

  • Guest

    Of course the shill is missing the point. Regardless of one’s stance on copyright, it’s clear why copyright enforcement threatens due process, privacy and the right to anonymity.
    It’s possible to both favor moderate copyright enforcement and privacy, but some of the arguments made by anti-piracy organizations and proponents can’t coexist with civil liberties.

    You know no moderation, and your endgame for how much copyright enforcement is enough – that’s never enough – is scaring.
    Copyright is evil.

    What has been argued in support of antipiracy efforts:

    (1) That time shifting is illegal.

    (2) That an owner of an internet account is prima facie responsible for any copyright infringement from the IP address.

    (3) That any DMCA notice to a file host should result in all copies nof the same file being disabled regardless of fair use.

    (4) That I have no right to copy a cd from a friend.

    (5) That a file host should have its payment processing cut if it can’t guarantee a noninfringement ratio acceptable to the copyright maximalists.

    (6) That I in addition to paying for contents, have no right to resell it, and have no right to replacement if the DRM infected media breaks.

    What would the brave new world of copyright maximalism look like?
    There would be no Rapidshare, no safe harbor for service providers, and no right to encrypt communication in a manner inaccessible to
    the copyright police.

    I mention Rapidshare, because they more than any other host has done everything to please the copyright lobby, but that ain’t still enough.

  • Danish Guest

    @PelouzeTF

    “You probably would say “so what” Rick….you have a country with almost zero entertainment industry. You do have a fair number of hosts that profit from
    piracy, so that makes sense I suppose.”

    Abba, Roxette, The Cardigans, Anna Ternheim First Aid Kit and many good indie bands you either don’t know or care about.

    Don’t they count as “the entertainment industry?”

    International music is more than trashy Justin Beeper clones.

    Fail troll.

    Written by a fellow Scandinavian.

    • Justafurtherexample

      I see you forgot to mention the Millennium series trilogy (Books and the Films) and that Hollywood actually made a version of the The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

  • Dirty_Bear

    If you are going to compare the sending a letter to an equivalent process online, the closest that you are going to get is email. As far as I’m aware you can send whatever you want via email without fear of your rights to privacy being violated.

    How does this compare with online piracy where you infringe on someone else’s rights by distributing their work to thousands of people without the authors permission? It’s not a one to one interaction like the sending of a physical letter or package and that’s where the comparison falls apart.

    Also another difference is that, usually, with online piracy the initial source is already known, a torrent site for example. This source is known to be acting illegally and the majority of it’s users are also known to be breaking the law.

    For the comparison to even come close to an offline scenario, you would have for example a distributor of illegal wares (be it drugs, weapons, child porn) sending these wares to others via the postal service. If the authorities are made aware of these activities what do you suppose will happen if the they knew exactly which postal sorting center these packages where ending up after being posted?

    • BuddhaFacePalmed

      What rights? Copyright isn’t just protecting one’s right to his own invention, it works by restricting YOURS to do anything to what you own.

      Realistically, since when does anyone have any control towards copies of their original work? You’ve sold the copy, its theirs. It is their right to do what they want with it irregardless of the original owner’s intent.

      Anti-pirates often espouse the “lost sale” myth. Which is in fact bullshit. Money never received IS NOT money stolen from. If people won’t buy your product in the first place, you’re never gonna earn of selling your product

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “How does this compare with online piracy where you infringe on someone else’s rights by distributing their work to thousands of people…”

      You don’t. Each client generally assumes contact with between three and a dozen people, rarely more than six at a time.

      And in order to actually see what has been sent you must, in essence, monitor ALL communications made by the responsible network card. That will include any such thing as email, http-logins to banks and online vendors, live streaming, bittorrent traffic, and of course, chat clients.

      In short, you violate EVERY aspect of online privacy when you decide to monitor online interactions in any way.

      And since you were specifically mentioning e-mail…you DO know that Usenet, still one of the primary venues of filesharing, is based on email protocols? So you don’t really know whether a person is synching his outlook folder with an online mail service or downloading .par files from alt.binaries either.

      This point needs reinforcement for anyone who ignorantly assumes that there is some magical boundary separating one form of digital communication from another. There isn’t. It’s ones and zeroes all the way which of course means that trying to nab filesharers will almost by default mean having to listen in to private communication.

      Several filesharing protocols purposefully mimic “ordinary” https/mime protocols just for this purpose. Leaving you with the necessity to monitor (spy on) the normal everyday traffic going on between average citizens, just in case someone of them might commit a crime.

      Rick’s comparison actually holds very well. People who haven’t the faintest clue how Information Technology actually works, however, will naturally be quick to argue what they can not understand in the hopes that their views will magically invent a solution capable of altering reality.

      Your assumption that his argument falls apart is based on your erronous misconception of fact and limited understanding of what actually happens.

      • Dirty_Bear

        This whole argument is pretty much based on a straw-man. Who on earth is monitoring all online communications, using deep packet inspection in order to catch pirates. If we are to keep with this “analogy” DPI is exactly the same as opening a package or letter at a sorting office and looking at it’s contents. The authorities are allowed to do this mind you.

        Today, Pirates aren’t being caught by such methods. The authorities do not need to inspect the data packages that are being received or sent in order to catch you. They monitor, for example a bit torrent swarm of a file that is known to be copyrighted and collect IP’s.

        How is this a violation of privacy on the scale of opening your mail? Using my previous analogy of a distributor of illegal wares. It is similar to the authorities raiding this distributor place of activity and discovering a load of packages and then tracking down the people who these packages are addressed to.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “They monitor, for example a bit torrent swarm of a file that is known to be copyrighted and collect IP’s…”

          QED

          As you may have noticed, 95% of all such cases fall through when examined closely due to lack of evidence simply because the ip adresses gathered have turned out in no small number to belonging to laser printers, NAT routers, people not residing at the relevant adress, or people long since dead. It’s just far too easy to make mistakes in making that sort of determination.

          I’ll concur on one thing – it is not outside the “regular” purview of the law to track torrents. It is, however, as useless to do so as it is to tell the state cops to be on the lookout for a “Red Ford” suspected of going 5 mph past the limit, and use that as a flimsy excuse to stop and search every Red Ford in the tri-state area.

          Which is the current practical effect of the measures in place. In order to obtain verifiable evidence – or in order to stop person A from sharing material with person B, no method is possible which does not first violate the privacy of person A and B.

          The same way you can not make a judgement on the contents of a phone call without first listening to the conversation. Indirect methods simply will not work.

          Now, if the police regularly strip-searched every resident inside a city block because “someone” had been observed dealing drugs on a nearby corner, then you would have a case.

          Police do not do so because it simply isn’t a proportional response. Even less so where filesharing is concerned. You do not violate someone’s privacy without justifiable suspicion. Something you can not obtain from any modern filesharing protocol. Let alone the next-generation one.

          Except if you monitor everyone, all the time. That’s not a straw man but cold facts.

          This is heavily backed up by the fact that out of several hundred million filesharers, HOW many do get caught? One in a million? And that is in a society where HADOPI already operates well beyond reasonable proportion of law.

  • Lol Ontheroad

    Interesting view. Snail mail still provides all these liberties. Email, is a different platform, hence to an extend, requires different laws and practice. On-line banking requires different security, for a reason.

    If we want to be protected from cyber-terrorism, some privacy suffers.

    And, it was always legal to search your laguge for smuggling. Including DVDs and CDs.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Well, you are correct in one way – online interaction, for the most part is more comparable to arguments carried by word-of-mouth in a public forum.

      And you’ve just made the case for the Stasi of the DDR. There is, you see, no reasonable way to implement “different law and practice” on the general prevailing form of communication other than what essentially becomes the total abolition of privacy.

      Let me know when you have an algorithm which can determine whether a https-stream is legal or illegal without spying on the contents.

  • Strap on a pair

    I disagree. File sharing is not about civil liberties. Its always been a personal and subjective decision based on the indiviiduals background, politics, likes and societal views. File sharing brings “equality regarding access” to many who would normally never have a high degree of economic power in the market place. It is a “leveller” of society and though adding a certain degree of civil liberty to the debate does not in itself ensure those liberties. An American soldier in Afghanistan may file share when home in the USA but that doesn’t suggest that he ponders on the civil liberites of the Taliban or the Afghan people in general. File sharing can only be relevant to civil liberties when those that engage in sharing take the further step in believing that civil liberites are universal which means that a US drone strike that kills civilians or a 9/11 terror attack amounts to the same thing – the erosion of universal civil liberites. Offcourse universal civil liberties doesn’t exist though it is the quite often the “big stick” reason given by governments for aggression against real or imaginary enemies. Civil liberties is always a question of “whose civil liberties”.

  • The Strawbear

    Oh Rick, forever with the pie in the sky hippie bullshit maxims and no real solutions to the actual cultural problems which are easily predictable in a world of free sharing.

    You’re all bullshit and no actual policy. You, more than any govt or media body, make me want to go and pay for media.

    • Anyone

      there is no “cultural problem” in a world of free sharing

      wikipedia became the #1 online encyclopaedia because of free sharing, linux became the #1 operating system because of free sharing

      just bieber only became popular because of free sharing

    • Strap on a pair

      Rick has a point. Millions of families in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, etc have stories of grandparents killed in WWII. Its very easy to forget that Europeans view the last century as some sort of error in their past with every country claiming it was someone elses fault. Blood was spilt but not in the name of civil liberites; more for economic reasons. Now Europeans rally to the cause of civil liberities as though the Stasi, Red Brigade, the Berlin Wall, ETA, Kosovo and a multitude of other problems were all just a prelude to a united, peaceful and highly civilised Europe. Europeans berate the USA, China and Russia for their lack of civil liberties (Gautanamo, Tianamen Square and Putin) but thats just the collective guilt of being the cause of two world wars. You can imagine how the three countries mentioned feel about Western European insistence that they bear the torch of liberty. Time to get off the European high-horse and admit that civil liberites may have its origins during the Enlightenment of Europe but its application to the rest of the world may yet involve a lot more bloodletting. The best thing Europeans can do is try to keep wounded America within the bounds of civilized warfare; watch warily the Chinese economic miracle and hope that Russia never runs out of raw materials to export.

    • Fredrika

      > “..and no real solutions to the actual cultural problems which are easily predictable in a world of free sharing.”

      After 15 years of free sharing there exists no scientific evidence that supports the thesis that any cultural problems exists for neither society, the economy, creators, the culture industry’s current record revenues, or the goal with copyright. On the contrary everything points in the opposite direction, that free sharing is the best thing that has ever happened for culture.

      For one to easily predict otherwise one has to completely deny reality, facts, human behaviour and peoples astonishing ability to invent new functioning business ideas, and instead base that prophecy on one’s personal ignorant and irrational wish that that’s the way things has to be, just because

      > “..make me want to go and pay for media”

      You can not pay for media, regardless of what you want, you can only pay for goods and services. Check consumer legislation if you don’t believe me.

      And if you out of principle wanna pay for things that are free, well then capitalism and common economical sense isn’t really any of your traits.

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  • Arielle Smith

    This article is the typical “apples to oranges” argument. You cannot equate our parents “snail mail” days with today’s internet phenomenon, they are fundamentally different. Ask anyone on the street and they will agree: Internet has completely changed how our society functions. This having been said, even in our archaic snail mail days to which he refers, there were still more laws in place than is given credit. You cannot simply send whatever you wish to anyone in the country without consequences. Sending illegal or illicit materials can result (and has, I might add) in legal repercussions. So I’ll ask the same thing he did: why should that be any different for my generation than it was for my parents? You give up certain liberties to join a society and gain the protection of that society. Copyright laws fall into that protection. You cannot hack or pirate anything you want but you also gain the protection of the government that will guarantee your complete ownership over your own creation. Do I think that every person’s personal email, social media accounts etc should be rifled through to search for potential crimes? of course not. But to suggest that they are entirely off limits without concern to the activities of the person behind those accounts is not only reckless but also illegal.

    • BuddhaFacePalmed

      Sure if you put it that way, your apples to oranges argument make sense.

      But that isn’t the case here. Corporations are continuously pushing for legislation that would allow their software to look for so-called incriminating evidence without due process. Copyright laws limit your rights, not protecting your rights.

      Also, governments can’t guarantee your complete ownership. Try creating a software that can change the world and chances are mega-corporations like Microsoft or Apple have patents so vague in description that your inventions probably falls under one of them. And if you try to bring them court, they’ll bury you with their department of lawyers and counter sue you instead. Laughing all the way to the bank.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Understand this: In practice there is no workable alternative other than rifling through EVERYONES communication – all of it, all the time, if you want to ascertain that what is being transmitted between part A and part B isn’t in fact “undesired” communication.

      This is the problem with information control. If person A transmits data to person B it is child’s play to make that data stream appear to be ordinary https or “normal” email.

      And as we have seen, all proposed measures in law neatly and utterly set aside the citizen’r right to privacy.

      In short, if your ability to prevent people from making copies of a work you drafted is to be ensured, privacy must die as a concept. This is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.

      And it is not a compromise which a society can make at all and still call itself civilized. Not even the Sovjet Union had a call on information control of the type which is needed in order to preserve “copyright”.

      You are simply propagating a new form of totalitarianism which as a first effect unavoidably trumps old-style sovjet communism as far as stripping the citizen’s right to free communication goes.

      And I’m honestly getting sick and tired of IT-incompetent people trying to explain how society must work when those standards require black magic and super-science. I feel like a mechanic whose client insists that putting square wheels on the car will solve the problem of his son speeding with it. So it will. There are side effects to that solution you simply can’t get around.

      What you in essence argued for is the tacit understanding that being part of “society” requires you to completely and utterly drop all vestige of privacy. As part and parcel since anonymization and encryption will have to go, you’ve also dropped EVERY online service and the last thirty years of the development of the global economy.

      I think I’m done with being reasonable to idiots who haven’t a clue as to what they are actually saying…

  • Anon

    got bored and google the definition of copyright

    “the exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc.: works granted such right by law on or after January 1, 1978, are protected for the lifetime of the author or creator and for a period of 50 years after his or her death. ”

    lets look at 3 specific words
    “…and otherwise exploit”

  • none

    i would love to know the profiles of the people making the trollish anonymous commentary.

  • Infinitifi

    Two critical facts that Rick is choosing to ignore:

    First, it has never been possible to post one letter and send it to millions of people at no cost. If Rick is suggesting that we alter the technology of the internet so that people who post files must send them to the recipients one at a time, then the analogy would be fair. But he’s comparing apples to oranges and that is why different rules apply.

    Second, YouTube, Megaupload, torrent based and similar companies ARE NOT THE MAILMAN. The MAILMAN in internet terms are the ISP’s, the cable companies and telco’s that deliver the signals. YouTube etc. are the mega storefronts, the Wal-Marts and Best Buys. It would be as if Wal-Mart or your local grocery stores’ business model was to take product in the back door with paying for it or checking whether their suppliers were legitimate and actually owned the product, put it on their shelves for free, and made money by putting ads up on the walls. If you really think that, in such a world, food would be produced, that you would be able to get clothes, furniture or anything else you need to survive, there is no hope.

    So, Rick, think a little harder about your analogies before you make arguments

    • none

      His analogies are perfectly valid. You do not lose mail rights if you send 1 million mails. Second, P2P you moron. Third, Megaupload has received damage in operations over a political attack. This is government terrorism.

      Don’t tell anyone to think harder when people like you ruin the world with your stupidity.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      No, two critical facts which bear no relevance to Rick’s statements.

      What you are stating is that if enough people communicate, modern society can not afford “freedom” to communicate. OK, you just justified Honecker’s last speech on why Stasi was good for the DDR. Congratulations.

      Or something.

      And for your second point, no.
      Megaupload, the cyberlockers, and youtube are, at most, comparable to the offline variants of libraries in their oldest form. You know, the one where users bring their old books for everyone to borrow?

      The ISP’s should indeed be considered the ones holding the primary position as “common carrier” but there is no denying that it’s difficult to call Youtube for anything like “Wal-mart” – unless by that you mean a wal-mart where everyone brings their own garden chairs, utensils and cars for everyone else to copy.

      In real terms Youtube is more like “Here, have a recipe” and from that the individuals can then construct their own copy of the whole. This is where your wal-mart comparison falls to pieces.

  • Pelham123

    I have one important edit to make:

    “Whenever pirates demand the right to send anything to anybody without being tracked, we are somehow accused of wanting things for free.”

    Pirates don’t demand this right. Pirates don’t care about rights.

    PEOPLE demand this right, because this right isn’t the right to pirate, it’s the right to communicate.

    • YoHoFiddleDeeDee

      According to the fuckers in charge, we’re all pirates though!

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Only if you ask for is the very reasonable expectation that neither government nor third parties should be allowed to intercept your communication without some form of due process and justifiable suspicion.

  • Nobody Important

    Uh…Post office won’t mail any letter without a return address these days…The other points are more than enough though, and you can always bring up how often junk mail manages to not have a return address.

  • Mr Banana

    WHAT ABOUT ANTHRAX

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  • Bastardo

    Well, I bought a microwave chicken dinner for one yesterday from Iceland (freezer shop) but my girlfriend came over and I ended up sharing it with her ! Am I in any trouble with Birds-Eye ?

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  • neh

    ya but…. pirates DO want stuff for free :P

    • Fredrika

      > “ya but…. pirates DO want stuff for free”

      The desire to save money has nothing to do with being a pirate, it has to do with being a sane capitalist, attempting to use one’s limited assets as economically as possible. No sane capitalist would wanna waste his money on buying something which he could manufacture himself for free with the equipment he’s already purchased. Being a pirate simply means you follow the free market rules.

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