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Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?

As you have read here already, a joint team of Dutch and British law enforcement were involved in ‘Operation Ark Royal’, to take down the music torrent site Oink. This action however, has brought lots of questions, with very few answers. Questions such as “Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?”

The British and Dutch Pirate Parties have issued a joint statement (English/Dutch) condemning the actions as retaliatory, and questioning the ethics of choreographing it, and letting representatives of the victims participate in the investigation. How many times do they let the father of a murder victim work on the investigation of the Murder?

They also condemn the police forces for allowing the presumption of innocence to be discarded, in that the domain of the website, has been effectively hijacked, and replaced by a page insinuating guilt on the part of the site owner. The ‘Presumption of Innocence’, better known as “innocent until proven guilty” is a cornerstone of law both in the Netherlands and UK. Surely, if anyone should have put a temporary website under the Oink domain, then it should have been the Cleveland police, or the Dutch police, not the record label owners union.

This violation of what should be standard practices brings into question the ethics and procedures of the forces involved. Cleveland police have yet to respond to inquiries, however.

Of further interest is the apparent investigation on the Dutch side by the Investigation Service of the Tax and Customs Administration (or FIOD-ECD for short). This would appear to be in relation to the claimed monies that were paid by users for access to the site, which are known to us here at TorrentFreak as “voluntary donations”, but then we do our homework. The question does come to be how these criminal investigation groups manage to execute these raids, without first having done any investigation; undoubtedly heads will roll.

Timing is another interesting aspect to this case. Reportedly, the IFPI are upset that the Pirate Bay has acquired ifpi.com. However, it’s a domain they’ve not had control of (at least according to archive.org) since early this year at the latest, and so it’s hard to see how they will be able to have anything done about it, legally. Could this raid then be a retaliatory action on their part, targeting another site rather than the Pirate Bay, who are/were probably expecting some sort of backlash like this?

Whilst claims in the various press releases (BPI, IFPI, Cleveland police) all state that the site was notorious for pre-release music, it’s also relevant to consider the source of that music. According to a 2003 study by AT+T labs into the movie industry, the majority of early releases came from insiders, and its unlikely that the music industry is any different. Indeed, according to ‘apathy’, a moderator at music site Economy of Sound, several pre-releases have come from the record companies direct, where they have had the view that “you just cannot buy that kind of publicity.” Claims that pre-releases hurt sales are also not found to be based in fact, the Meshuggah album “Nothing” was leaked onto the internet, and became their best-seller.

However, perhaps the biggest thing to remember is that private sites store information. Thats how they work, and there is always some saved, in order to run ratios etc. In the end, we’re right back to the question, “Are Private Torrent Sites Safe” and it would appear that they are becoming less so as time goes on, irrespective of the law.

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  • 0–

    oink rules, lol tpb took the domain

  • Huh?

    Because they knowingly were a conduit for pirated copyrighted material, music, software, etc. The people who ran OINK HAD to know some risk was involved, as they were not on the right side of the law by any means.

  • sharer

    I similar home page hijacking occurred when the cannabis related website “Overgrow” (OG as its commonly known) was raided and taken down by the FBI (and Canadian equivalent.) As you might suspect a warning page from the FBI sent MASSIVE shockwaves of paranoia thru the disjointed cannabis community……alas nothing ever happened to any of the regular users.
    Fear mongering at its finest.

  • Taylor Hewitt

    Man OiNK was amazing and it’s pretty depressing to see it go down like this.

    OINK FOREVER!!!

  • Rashy

    I wasn’t aware that a private business is allowed to seize evidence in a criminal case, as seems to be the case with OiNK.cd. Under British law, it would be considered theft. If the record label is indeed controlling the domain, I believe that could also be considered tampering with evidence. Additionally posting a message like that on OiNK.cd would illegally prejudice the jurors against OiNK (if he does go to trial, everything is very unclear on what is going on).

  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    certainly ‘huh?’, the concern is not the actions or their legalities – believe it or not, thats not for an industry body to decide, its for a court of law – but that the proper legal practices were carried through.

    People go ‘but she did it’ when talking about Jammie Thomas, and now about this, but the issue is about how the case was done, was it done properly. The thomas case it seems that the jury had both been improperly instructed, and had already been the recipiant of case-related material from the plaintiffs (every time they start a DVD for instance) which is procedurally wrong.

    The best thing to remember is, if these cases were so cut and dried, so simple a matter of ‘it’s illegal’, then why is it neccesary for the industry to make extravigent unsupported claims, and distort facts? Clear facts don’t need ‘amplification’.

    That is what we also have here, and it sets a bad precident. If you don’t like presumption of innocense now, why would you like it if you were to be accused of a crime, no matter how baseless. It’s called law, it’s based in justice and fairness, and its abuse is something that shouldn’t be tollerated, no matter what the alleged crimes are.

  • not an ex-OiNK member
  • gustav

    in your paragraphs above, the record labels should be referred to as “alleged” victims; otherwise even this site is presuming OiNK guilty. ;)

  • tgies

    Yeah, this is definitely a violation of procedure. It’s also interesting that the placeholder page has the IFPI corporate logo on it, which is even less kosher. They probably installed the placeholder page in full awareness of its illegality, but thought it was worth the risk to scare some people.

  • Johnny

    It seems they didn’t take over the domain, but the ip the domain is pointing to.

  • Belligerent Engine

    “Less safe”? For whom? From my perspective as a user, private trackers are exactly as safe as public trackers. This is to say, I haven’t been sued yet and know of no real people who have. Real people here being defined as nth-degree friends of a friend, rather than “first name, last name” trumpeted by the media.

  • blondie

    Belligerent Engine is wrong for starters. With public trackers, corps such as the RIAA can inquire through your ISP…

    However, this is incredible that once again these bull$hit record companies managed to extend their powers beyond that of legal right and manage a massive invasion of privacy…

  • me

    shit i hope they dont get me ;_;
    owell ive nothing better to do than move to sweden i guess….

  • noob

    haha, ifpi.com thanks piratebay ;)

  • blah

    yea oink was great, but my money is on that there will be another site just like it in 6 months. you cant stop the filesharing of music. untill the day comes where all nations are communists and the government controls every aspect of the internet, then there will always be another torrent site.

  • Ink

    This is exactly the same thing as if I would accuse any of you guys of murder and the police would allow me to lock up your home and spray KILLER on it… actually in that example the police would give me the spray can and drive me to your house.

    No one has been proven guilty up until now and this is how they should be treated.
    In any murder case ‘the knife’ (evidence) has to stay with the police… imagine they would just give any kind of evidence to anyone who is asking to get it… this is ridicules. How is that hard to get!?

  • Belligerent Engine

    [quote comment="193940"]Belligerent Engine is wrong for starters. With public trackers, corps such as the RIAA can inquire through your ISP…[/quote]

    And as the MediaDefender mails have shown, any private invitation-only tracker is subject to infiltration and IP address snooping just like a public tracker would. Your argument doesn’t exactly counter mine, which only mentions actually getting sued rather than some theoretical possibility.

    Please, at least read the comment you’re responding to with some thought.

  • nobody

    stmusic.org is run out of a warehouse in LA…

  • moi

    anyone else surprised that the guy that got arrested (OINK) is in shape?

  • ex-oinker

    does anyone have an estimate of what the biggest users on oink were sharing? i’m just curious whether or not to start panicking…

    i had upped about 230 gigs, and downloaded about 75 gigs.

    is it time to wipe my harddrive? would that even help?

  • somebody

    well here’s the email and phone of the admin, call him – see if it’s fbi.
    storrentstemp@gmail.com
    +1.6613102107
    It is interesting that it is a few miles between FBI offices, and the FBI classrooms.

  • somebody

    ex-oinker, I really wouldn’t even worry. We’ve seen these scare tactics before, and nothing came of them.

  • No one important

    [quote]According to a 2003 study by AT+T labs into the movie industry, the majority of early releases came from insiders, and its unlikely that the music industry is any different.[/quote]
    To further reinforce this, I’ll add that, years ago (in the Hotline days), I had access to a private server run by, supposedly, someone at Interscope. There were all kinds of pre-release records up there, leaked by their own frickin’ people.

  • Jacob Yitzchak

    what about canada is it safe there ppl I’m thinking of moving… what if I donated? are they gonna get me?

  • jim

    Jesus… nobody’s going to get you. The only people they go after in these cases are the admins, and they let him go several hours later. Anything else you hear is just propoganda.

  • need new music site

    [quote comment="194020"]what about canada is it safe there ppl I’m thinking of moving… what if I donated? are they gonna get me?[/quote]

    you’ll be fine, most likely they will only go after oink and not it’s users. as stated before, oink had 180,000 users scattered across the globe.

  • someone else

    What about the email addresses they have…?

  • need new music site

    again, your fine. they wont go after you.

  • Anonymous

    It really shows how big business can influence the judicial system. Cleveland Police have been corrupted.
    I hope Oink admin has a smart lawyer.

  • d_m_n

    Perhaps what you are seeing here is the transition to E.U. law which will eventually supercede all member state laws. It doesn’t look pretty and unfortunately most people aren’t aware of what they are about to lose.

  • Ink

    I’m no expert but I guess because they made that many mistakes you don’t even have to be that smart as a lawyer to find some loopholes.

  • Anonymous

    Why is ifpi.org not loading? too many hits?

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194079"]Why is ifpi.org not loading? too many hits?[/quote]
    I believe that might be a DoS attack

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194010"]does anyone have an estimate of what the biggest users on oink were sharing? i’m just curious whether or not to start panicking…

    i had upped about 230 gigs, and downloaded about 75 gigs.

    is it time to wipe my harddrive? would that even help?[/quote]

    I know I saw a few that had upped over 2 terrabytes and downloaded over 1 terrabyte

  • ynard

    An interview from the OiNK admin would give us his point of view from this whole incident.

    Make it happen , mmkay?

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194010"]does anyone have an estimate of what the biggest users on oink were sharing? i’m just curious whether or not to start panicking…

    i had upped about 230 gigs, and downloaded about 75 gigs.

    is it time to wipe my harddrive? would that even help?[/quote]

    230gigs is no where near what some had uploaded.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    anyone else notice that oink.cd no longer has that message posted? You just cant connect to anything.

  • Anonymous

    cant connect through the ip 85.17.40.71 either

  • Anonymous

    If you have not cleared a terabyte in upload then I would not worry at all. Even if you did you should not be panicking. These are just scare tactics that have been employed before

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194092"][quote comment="194010"]does anyone have an estimate of what the biggest users on oink were sharing? i’m just curious whether or not to start panicking…

    i had upped about 230 gigs, and downloaded about 75 gigs.

    is it time to wipe my harddrive? would that even help?[/quote]

    I know I saw a few that had upped over 2 terrabytes and downloaded over 1 terrabyte[/quote]

    Your traffic is irrelevant. The top uploader had uploaded over 10 terabytes, but that’s irrelevant, because he only actually supplied 6 torrents.

    If anything, those targeted will be the suppliers – The scenesters.

  • Anonymous

    “OiNK operated an exclusive membership scheme by which users were only invited to join the site if they could prove that they had music to offer.”

    lol

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194106"]“OiNK operated an exclusive membership scheme by which users were only invited to join the site if they could prove that they had music to offer.”

    lol[/quote]
    Proven guilty by reason of the media. Guilty until proven innocent.
    Total BS. This needs to be a won by us, otherwise this going to set a dangerous precedent for all private trackers. Everyone ask, especially UK and Dutch citizens “Why Are The IFPI and BPI Allowed To Hijack OiNK?”.

  • Puppy

    yall ever think they could shut down “the scene” , hopefully not, but all the albums/programs i dl are from the scene but i dl them off regular sites, now i need to learn how to use usenet

  • anonymous

    the distribution of pre-released material will never cease because its not the users…its the people from within the distribution companies. The record labels need to have an internal investigation and find their own leaks. Hell even the FBI and CIA have leaks.
    As Guru would say “we are like roaches…never dying…always living”

  • JohnnyBbad

    I read somewhere, can’t find it now, that the only reason that video was shot is because the reporter was “coincidently” on the scene, and the cops let him tag along.

    Ah, yeah right. Take a look at the video of the bust, and think about how valuable that is to them. I am not an OiNK member, but if I would be, I might have an (irrational) fear that I’m next. THat video is priceless for them.

    The good news: they aren’t going to come after 180,000 people. They might make an example of some.

    These people are capitalist whores, but they aren’t stupid. They know that what they’re doing with OiNK, with Links TV, Demonoid, and whatever is next, is a subtle declaration of war on the Net. If they declare too hard, they will lose credibility themselves. I’ve heard plenty of people say “I feel bad for artists.” I have never heard anyone say “Oh those poor record companies, losing money, no, this is wrong, wrong, wrong!”

    The war is on, and they are going down. Do not be intimidated. Look at how week their tactics are. Busting OiNK, or Jammie Thomas, or Links, these are just little acts of Net terrorism. They know they can’t stop P2P, so they’ve resorted to intimidation.

    Don’t give in to intimidation. What we should be doing right now is downloading more than ever, so what they have to report is “no effect” or an INCREASE after the arrest of the OiNK guy.

    Forward, ever forward! Once the media goes down at the hands of the Net, think what is next…

  • JohnnyBbad

    Please forgive my grammar and spelling mistakes…

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194118"]yall ever think they could shut down “the scene” , hopefully not, but all the albums/programs i dl are from the scene but i dl them off regular sites, now i need to learn how to use usenet[/quote]
    The Scene will hopefully never go down , as the group that fall, just get replaced.
    Usenet is not going to be safe forever.
    http://www.slyck.com/story1606_GigaNews_Usenet_Server_Dump_Anonymous_Reference

  • Oink4eva

    Music

    audionews.ru (Music production)
    blackflowermusic.com
    btbeat.com
    bt.etree.org
    btmusic.org
    chronictracker.com
    deepbassnine.com
    dimeadozen.org
    djiq.org
    filemp3.org
    funkytorrents.com
    indietorrents.com
    kerrazy-torrents.net
    kraytracker.com
    libble.com/
    metal-torrents.com
    onemoresolo.net
    pj.sidewalkcrusaders.com (Pearl Jam)
    punkhc.dyndns.org
    punktorrents.com
    purelivegigs.com
    smithstorrents.co.uk (The Smiths/Morrissey)
    stmusic.org
    thecellar.afraid.org
    themixingbowl.org
    thetradersden.org
    torrentazos.com
    tracker.twee.se
    trancetraffic.com
    zombtracker.the-zomb.com
    exigomusic.org
    vipmusic.org
    modetrance.com
    tranceroute.com
    softmp3.org/
    punkoiska.com
    metalbits.org
    tracker.gunsnroses.us (Guns ‘n’ Roses)
    mullemeck.serveftp.org/jps_beta/ (Japanese/Asian)
    nipponsei.minglong.org (Anime OSTs)
    tracker.shoegaze.lt/ (Shoegaze, Dreampop)
    puretrance.org (Trance)
    tracker.jpopsuki.com (J-pop)
    zonebits.net (Primarily Danish music)
    komodoisland.net/
    tracker.shoegaze.lt (Shoegaze, indie, post-rock)
    proaudiotorrents.org (pretty self-explanatory)
    u2torrents.com (U2)

  • Ink

    If this is war we’ve already won.

    Revolutions have always been hard. The people with the money make the rules thats how it has always been.
    This has never stopped any revolution as long as we fight for it we will win.
    Some will fall some will life to see the day we win.

    They can’t just roll over us but we can hit them where it hurts, take their money take their power.
    Don’t pay for shit you can get for free. Sure, the big companies will tell you that you’ll only hurt yourself, the quality of your entertainment and whatnot – and they are right… but in the end it’s the big picture that counts things break in a war and it shouldn’t be just our stuff.

  • LSD

    Thanx doorknob why dont u just list all the sites for them so they can index them and get too the rest later.

  • JohnnyBbad

    They wouldn’t do that, LSD. They know it’d be a declaration of war on the net. Furthermore, 100 more would pop up. That’s the name of the game. They can’t control the internet, and they KNOW IT.

  • Joakim

    i’d bet what ifpi really wanted to do was to get to nforce.nl, that site gotta be like throwing salt in the entertainment industrie’s wounds, in their eyes that is…

  • Moet

    Yes d_m_n you are 100% right, the NWO and movement toward one-world-goverment is all for protecting corporate interests and the EU is a step towards that.

    The same thing is coming to the US, just google “North American Union” and the “Amero” which is set to replace the dollar… Bush is already meeting with the Canadian and Mexican presidents and passing laws to homogenize the three countries…

    Our only hope to stop it in the US is to elect Ron Paul president in 2008.

    http://ronpaul2008.com

    Long live freedom.

  • that_guy

    If you don’t think that property can be seized in a civil case check out anton pillar order under canadian law.

  • the silent one

    People have to remember that the artist is the one being ripped off here and always has. Why did Radiohead release in Rainbows? Because even at $1.00 per album they make a profit. Labels still pay bands 20 cents per album and the artist has to re-coupe their advances from that measley pittance.
    This is the last stand of the major labels; knowing they are going down. I am a pro-music and pro-artist person, but it appears the structures of the old industry are falling. The artist will once again re-gain success and exploser through audiences that want to hear their music. Remember we are in a post MTV world and their are very few avenues within the old structure to hear “real” music.

  • Dazzer

    Heh the only way to convince them that this isn’t effecting sales is just boycott music totally ^^

    Stick to music that is legally free (say, radiohead).

    Then watch those companies squirm as they can’t find anything else to bust. I hate the state of “artists” nowadays anyway… they’re all “bling” and no talent. They earn their quick buck, then drive themselves to ruin.

    True music artists are the ones who have to slog it out, go out and actually do concerts, instead of expecting to earn their quick buck releasing albums.

    Boycott em.

  • Ayler-Fan

    “Sure, the big companies will tell you that you’ll only hurt yourself, the quality of your entertainment and whatnot – and they are right.” No, sorry, the big companies are not right about this. Just read Brad DeLong’s blog entry “Fake Steve Jobs: The Music Industry Noobs Have Finally Figured Out What We’re Doing” or Steve Albini’s essay “The Problem With Music” (available online). The recording industry has been suffocating art and American public culture for decades.. Every wonder why you don’t hear the Velvet Underground, or the Replacements, of Fela Kuti on the radio? (Payola anyone?) Oink created a community where large numbers of people had ready access to art, and art should be free to the public. (Yes it has to be funded, but there are ways of funding it other than intellectual copyright.) What the recording industry is most afraid of is that people are going to start thinking that all this mindblowing art that’s been recorded over the last 100 years is something they should, as citizens, have a right to hear without having paying a bribe to Guido at Warner Bros. That listening to Public Enemy, or Burning Spear, or Albert Ayler is part of how you begin to understand the avant-garde, or grasp the consequences of racism or imperialism. They’re afraid that people are going to start to recognize that music isn’t “product,” that musicians don’t make it to earn money (as if any of them ever did), that it’s not it’s just property like a television or a spare tire. They want you to be ashamed of stealing art, but art can only be stolen from the public; it can’t be stolen by it. Oink was something to be intensely proud of. It was one of the best public libraries I’ve ever seen. I got a lot of good records because of it, and I shared a lot of good records with other people. That’s not “stealing,” that’s educating.

  • the silent one

    FUCK THE SCENE, you PARASITE!

  • colder

    [quote]FUCK THE SCENE, you PARASITE![/quote]

    That would be ‘parasites’ as “The Scene” is a collective noun.

    You, however, are a singular entity so get no ‘s’. Retard.

  • upset

    oink was indeed the best music site on the internet bar none!. i just hope the sysadmins made some sort of emergency backup of the site on a weekly basis and stored it offsite, its a long shot but thats all i can hope for, dont think i can handle the idea oink is perm lost.

  • Anonymous

    the USA and the UK have forgot all about presumption of innocence a long time ago. I guess you haven’t been arrested in the last 10 years. I have and the court system is a joke. It’s a hollywood production for the layperson to give the appearance of fairness however the lawyers and the prosecutors ALREADY know what is to happen in EVERY hearing and in EVERY trial. At least, that is how it goes here in the USA. Does the Judge also know the ruling? Possibly but I’m sure that the lawyers and prosecutors discuss in detail what is to happen in trials and hearings. There is no fairness anymore.

  • c

    [quote comment="194010"]does anyone have an estimate of what the biggest users on oink were sharing? i’m just curious whether or not to start panicking…

    i had upped about 230 gigs, and downloaded about 75 gigs.

    is it time to wipe my harddrive? would that even help?[/quote]

    It could help but only if you did it properly, with a program which wipes it, puts data on it and wipes it again repeatedly in order to completely scramble it.
    I recall from the top10 that other people had upped and downed several TBs

  • the silent one

    I do believe their is one person (which is a singular noun) promoting “the scene” praying off one sites demise, promoting another. It’s always the complete dumb asses that have to resort to simple grammar edits to make an argument.

  • no

    Does it really matter? One option is that special interest groups working for the industries lobby legislators and legal arms to do what they want in similar cases. The other option is that they just work hand in hand with them. Either way, they get what they want and they’ll always have more power than you.

    You’re a fool if you believe that police of any stripe exist for your benefit. They exist for no other reason than to keep YOU from scaling the walls of the WEALTHY and to beat your ass down if you get out of line and disrupt the lives of those who have power.

  • Courtney Love

    The Colder know how to spell “colder”. Let’s not have him distract us from having a real conversation.

  • the Human

    of coarse it matters; eventually a system that backs the few(wealthy) will fall.
    You know why? Because eventually their are not enough walls to imprison everyone. An interesting fact; the government fears the people in France, but in in other parts of the world; the people fear the Government.

  • holysmokes
  • hoodlum

    and this is exactly the reason why the scene hates p2p..

  • badaass

    hoodlum
    You, like mny other children seem to place scene rippers on a pedestal, that you think they “hate P2Pers” shows your ignorance. THey get their kudos from P2Pers, without them they would be a few mates swapping tunes-no buzz, no rush, no point. Grow up and open your eyes.

  • Nostalgia

    Everywhere I read there were 180000 Oink members. I always thought there were much more people using Oink.

  • tbh

    lol idd, the day the music died =[

  • Anonymous

    180000 has to be just current users. There had to be at least double that number. At least.

  • Phil

    I’d love for TPB to bring Oink back online. Surely the Oink admin had some kind of back up plan incase he got raided, it’s only ever a matter of time.

  • alex

    Animosity released their cd weeks before it came out on OINK. they had their own account!!!

  • lmfao

    it is about time ppl learned that private sites are no safer than public ones.

    too many sites give out this false information and it should stop.
    these sites are giving false hope to ppl and it should stop now!!

    it is a shame that oink went down especially to some ruthless anti piracy firm who by the looks of it should not have been able to do this in the first place as they lied theu their ass but get away with it ..

  • Dude

    secret service plastered their logo all over the homepage when they took down shadowcrew

  • themagicke
  • Core-TX

    Torrents have got NOTHING to do with “The Scene”

    Oink was part of the “Torrent Scene”
    Who was so lucky to have some people leaking from the record labels & THE scene.

  • Core-TX

    [quote comment="194317"]and this is exactly the reason why the scene hates p2p..[/quote]

    THE scene does not “hate” p2p.
    They hate the insecurity of p2p.

    @least most of them nowadays.
    Since there is more pressure from feds, and more and more ridicoulous laws.
    More groups shift towards a more liberal policy in favor of p2p.
    Some of them even have become commercial in order to pay the assets they need for protecting themselves from FBI and such.

  • Anonymous

    just like when TPB got raided..

    FFS since WHEN did our police forces take orders from PRIVATE LOBBY ORGANISATIONS?? from other countries!!1

    I get so pissed off, ill be pirating ALOT more now, hope they will feel it but i rather put a shotgun to their faces!!

  • anon

    The reason the recording industry is so afraid of p2p sites like oink.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhGzoLx0qo&NR=1

  • James

    The irony to the claims that oink was the source of pre-release music is pretty laughable. Sure they would have pre-release music at times, but many times it would get taken down as it might have been transcoded or from an unknown source. Oink was great for getting high quality recordings, but saying they were great for pre-release stuff is funny. Since Radiohead’s In Rainbows came out it still wasn’t on Oink because it was only a 160kb rip which wasn’t to the standards of the site, even though the album is up on every other torrent site going.

  • pre-release

    All of this crap about pre-releases is BS. The last pre-release thing that I got from Oink was the new Seether album. It was officially released yesterday, so I figured that I could find it on the internet sometime last weekend. I checked Oink every hour waiting for it. As soon as I found it on Oink, last Friday afternoon, I wanted to let my buddy know so that he could download it too. It just so happens that I was able to find it on Demonoid as well, so I pointed my buddy in that direction. My point to this is, Oink didn’t get the pre-release any faster than any other torrent site. And it wasn’t even that much of a pre-release… Someone who worked at a record store probably took a CD home and ripped it as soon as the shipment came in.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194179"]i’d bet what ifpi really wanted to do was to get to nforce.nl, that site gotta be like throwing salt in the entertainment industrie’s wounds, in their eyes that is…[/quote]

    Nforce, is a hosting company , and only show NFO’s completely legal.
    Although they are researching it for over 2 years.

    Saterday, I have a apointment with Nforce. Aftewards, I will post a story.

    for proove; Http://www.nforce.nl

  • fdgsdf

    [quote comment="194428"]The reason the recording industry is so afraid of p2p sites like oink.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhGzoLx0qo&NR=1/quote
    so true

  • another ex-oinker

    The Britney pre was on there as of Monday night, for some reason I didn’t download it, that might have been the straw that broke the camel’s back?

  • tbh

    [quote comment="194386"]Animosity released their cd weeks before it came out on OINK. they had their own account!!![/quote]

    There weren’t the only one. There were other indie bands that pre-released their stuff on oink. Some of them had success with it. Many users actually bought their albums after they had listened to it.

    Who knows, maybe that’s the real reason why the Nazi regime of big labels wanted to see oink down.
    Of course they have no interest in seeing indie labels being successful =|

  • 1

    [quote comment="193898"]certainly ‘huh?’, the concern is not the actions or their legalities – believe it or not, thats not for an industry body to decide, its for a court of law – but that the proper legal practices were carried through.

    People go ‘but she did it’ when talking about Jammie Thomas, and now about this, but the issue is about how the case was done, was it done properly. The thomas case it seems that the jury had both been improperly instructed, and had already been the recipiant of case-related material from the plaintiffs (every time they start a DVD for instance) which is procedurally wrong.

    The best thing to remember is, if these cases were so cut and dried, so simple a matter of ‘it’s illegal’, then why is it neccesary for the industry to make extravigent unsupported claims, and distort facts? Clear facts don’t need ‘amplification’.

    That is what we also have here, and it sets a bad precident. If you don’t like presumption of innocense now, why would you like it if you were to be accused of a crime, no matter how baseless. It’s called law, it’s based in justice and fairness, and its abuse is something that shouldn’t be tollerated, no matter what the alleged crimes are.[/quote]

  • super rad

    does anyone know any good torrents to get fonts and vector art now that oink is dead?

  • Snipe

    If OiNK users were to NOT BUY records for the next 6 months… I know most of them didn’t anyway, but there has never, and I mean it, been a “don’t buy records” campaign. Do you think that would scare them? At least it’s intimidation, very much like that Firefox button that got so popular. A button (not with OiNK-related art, just a button) saying: “I’m against the ridiculous profit of music industries” or a very sincere “I love music”.

    I say that every website that is with us, every user around, put that in their signatures and webpages. It might not work, but it’s worth a try.

  • BT
  • Sam Lowry

    How does one find a list of IFPI labels? I didnt even know they existed until this Oink raid.

  • Alan UK

    Why don’t the record companies wake up? The cd and the high street outlets are dead. Just provide download sites with a choice of file types and encoding rates, reflected in the sale price. Is it too much to ask to have the latest band in, say 320 k in ogg/vorbis for example??

    It’s not bloody rocket science is it ffs???

  • bunni is not mean

    [quote comment="194258"]i just hope the sysadmins made some sort of emergency backup of the site on a weekly basis and stored it offsite.[/quote]

    as far as i remember there was a backup of the site made everyday around 8~9 PM or AM tough i’m not completely sure if it was hosted offsite or even offline o.o

    i just hope that there will be a reincarnation of oink thats possibly hosted by the archnemesis and possible one of the biggest fans of Hollywood : The Pirate Bay!

  • clanger

    just read main man is nicked and raided even his mums house guess no more oink

  • Missing Oink

    [quote comment="194521"]The Britney pre was on there as of Monday night, for some reason I didn’t download it, that might have been the straw that broke the camel’s back?[/quote]
    LOL!!!

  • clanger

    link pls

  • pfunk

    the only way ‘the war’ of music downloading between record companies and downloaders can be lost is if the internet as an information highway becomes non-neutral, that is solely owned by a particular entity, private or public. think about what it would be like if only certain drivers could use a road or highway. until that happens, people will always download music, myself included. anyone who agrees with me should fight for net neutrality, plain and simple.

    alank, i agree…fuck record companies, they need to change their strategy. instead of trying to shut down these music sites, they should take a hint.. run music downloading operations as profit centers that pay royalties to them. they’re greedy businessmen though, not IT workers..they stick to what they think works.

  • Seepee Vammainen

    Why did the investigation go on for two years? Isn’t that something like entrapment?

    And about the upload amounts, I remember there were several users in the top ten with something like 20 terabytes uploaded and 5mb downloaded, I’d guess these would be the guys they’re going after. I don’t understand why users like that existed, seems a bit strange.

  • Scott M

    [quote comment="194611"]the only way ‘the war’ of music downloading between record companies and downloaders can be lost is if the internet as an information highway becomes non-neutral … people will always download music, myself included. anyone who agrees with me should fight for net neutrality, plain and simple.

    [/quote]

    There is a difference between net neutrality and net legality. The truth is that almost everything OINK was doing was a clear violation of the LAW, which is the social contract citizens make with the government in exchange for goods and services. It seems you are suggesting “net neutrality” to mean that illegal actions should be defined as legal when they occur online.

    Imagine a world where someone could steal your credit card online, go shopping with it at online stores, and not be prosecuted for it simply because all his actions took place online. Is that the definition of “net neutrality”??? Real net neutrality is when the net, like the rest of our society, is governed by laws and not by chaos as it is now.

    In the end, illegal downloaders and uploaders have already lost the “the war” of music because their actions are inherently illegal and subject to prosecution if discovered. By subverting the law you are not winning “the war.”

    [quote]

    think about what it would be like if only certain drivers could use a road or highway.

    [/quote]

    In the USA, this already happens in the form of government-regulated drivers licenses, license plates, registration, and the requirement to have auto insurance. Not to mention toll-restricted roads which provide direct income to U.S. state governments. It is nothing new for laws to regulate roads or a variety of other taxpayer services.

  • oinker

    man, this sucks. the music industry is fucking money hungry bitches. after this, i am never ever go buy an album again. it’s ridicolous, about 90% of the money goes to the industry and is invested in promotion of new sucky mainstream music. the only way how i’d buy music is if i could buy it directly from the artist, and pay like 3$ for (because that’s how much of the money i pay they actually get, right now)

  • oinker

    long live piracy!

  • Huh? part two

    I have downloaded terrabytes of movies, music, software, porn. I admit I am a pirate. And yes, the laws regarding music are aged, outdated. People can and will copy and share. Live with it, the record companies Just can’t accept the reality because they know they are dinosurs and are slated for extinction if they don’t kill us all or lock us behind iron bars. We will win because there are more of us, plus technology is plentiful and cheap, we’ll just go on pirating. Anything they throw at us encrytion wise as a collective whole can be cracked and shared, and laughed at. Arrr Arrr Arr! (For good measure) The Laws will change. A time will come when even after attempting to bribe and payoff law enforement people it will seem laughable and extreme to go after anyone for sharing files. Their mafia tactics will then be noticed.
    The record industry is made up of lawyers, mafia goons, and lots of money changing hands.

  • oinker

    another thing, does anyone know if there’s a place to donate for law fees and stuff to oink? i’d gladly spend a couple of dollars to help this guy out

  • Anonymous

    “DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT give ANY money to ANY of these fake funds you are seeing. They are scams. OiNK will not see a penny of this money, and neither will you.”

    /a mod/

  • oinker

    well of course i would only donate if it was officially posted on a big site like this or tpb… everyone should

  • Andrew

    [quote comment="194618"]Why did the investigation go on for two years? Isn’t that something like entrapment?

    And about the upload amounts, I remember there were several users in the top ten with something like 20 terabytes uploaded and 5mb downloaded, I’d guess these would be the guys they’re going after. I don’t understand why users like that existed, seems a bit strange.[/quote]

    Also wouldn’t the fact they waited until he was logged onto the site be intrapment too. The fact that they also had reporters and the “victims” along should be enough to get this case thrown out if criminal charges are brought.

  • easy-e

    fuck the police

  • Catfish

    I wish I knew how I could help.

  • Catfish

    >And about the upload amounts, I >remember there were several users in >the top ten with something like 20 >terabytes uploaded and 5mb >downloaded, I’d guess these would be >the guys they’re going after. I don’t >understand why users like that >existed, seems a bit strange.

    I met a guy once through the internet who structured a good portion of his life around scanning in books and making free pdf versions of them available to people he met. I lost track of him regrettably, I would have liked to talk to him about OiNK now and see his thoughts…but the reason why he did all that, despite any legal issue, time issue, or whatnot, was that he felt it was his “dharma” to do so. I guess some people view things on a different level and see the dissemination of knowledge, arts and the like as a mission in life and worth the risks. Not to be corny, but sorta like robin hood stories…

  • missing oink bad

    this sucks so hard. Oink was thee best website period. All you custys who couldn’t get in were never meant to. As for the people posting oink’s req. as being 1:1 get your head out of your ass and fuck off, no one wants to hear your uninformed, oblivious mouth flapping. Go back to your custy public trackers wankers!

  • Scott M

    [quote comment="194675"]
    Also wouldn’t the fact they waited until he was logged onto the site be intrapment too. The fact that they also had reporters and the “victims” along should be enough to get this case thrown out if criminal charges are brought.[/quote]

    Wrong — police do this all the time by planting fake cars equipped with GPS and remote-locking doors where thieves steal them and then are caught a few minutes later. Entrapment would be if the police “forced” the thief to steal the car, in the same way that it would be entrapment if the police “forced” or “entrapped” him to sign onto the site, which they did not. He signed online at his own will.

    Even so, in UK, entrapment cases are not required to be thrown out.

  • apekillape

    I agree with Mr Jones for the most part, in that the legal precedents and procedures on both sides need to be more closely examined and worked upon. Howsomever, it’s pretty shoddy work on both sides.

    Every time something like this happens 3/4 (low-low estimate) of the filesharing community cries “ILLEGAL PIGS HAR HAR” when they have no idea what the hell they’re on about, really. The feds are no better, but they’re in power so who’s going to tell them otherwise?

    The community needs some young Grisham-esque turk from within to step it up and defend people like Oink’s admin from a position of respectability, rather than just a lot of yelling and pouting as it’s been.

    N

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194618"]And about the upload amounts, I remember there were several users in the top ten with something like 20 terabytes uploaded and 5mb downloaded, I’d guess these would be the guys they’re going after. I don’t understand why users like that existed, seems a bit strange.[/quote]

    I was happy to take the time to rip and share all of my OOP, rare albums with whomever would enjoy them. I don’t think it’s the amount that people uploaded so much as it is WHAT they uploaded. The pre-release leakers are no doubt in the crosshairs.

  • Onan
  • guy

    what is “the scene”?

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  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194629"]
    There is a difference between net neutrality and net legality. The truth is that almost everything OINK was doing was a clear violation of the LAW, which is the social contract citizens make with the government in exchange for goods and services.
    [/quote]
    The “law” applied to a website depends on the ground that the servers are on. And even in US there is no “clear violation of law” for torrent sites! there are plenty of US torrent sites, the only lawbreakers are the ones using the sites, not one hosting a site that does not contain copyrighted material. I do not know what lobby organisation you are from, but you clearly are brainwashed.

    [quote comment="194629"]
    It seems you are suggesting “net neutrality” to mean that illegal actions should be defined as legal when they occur online.
    [quote]
    There are no illigal actions from what you speak of, the only illigal actions is taken by the sites users if they are on soil that forbids sutch actions. In the internet world, laws applied to users and websites depends on where they are located.
    There are plenty of US torrent sites, it is not illigal to host a torrent site, and the servers do not contain copyrighted materials. Its the users of a site witch might be lawbreakers.

    That does not give rights for private foreign influence to corrupt police and make them steal servers from them.
    You have talked a great deal of stealing Mr. Lobby Dickhead, well your “heroes” just made the police steal servers in witch no copyrighted material is hosted on. Thats REAL stealing compared to the stealing you declare the world of doing without knowing anything about their laws.

    You are one of those idiots that think US laws apply to the whole world. You should stop posting on these sites, your idea of freedom is corrupted and you want to spread lies.
    I would ban you in a second based on your posts on this and other sites.

    Dont think noone knows who you are..

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  • FlacInHell

    Now Alan (Oink) is being silent, which is expected in any sort of case like this.

    I’ve been thinking about why the IFPI was allowed to hijack OiNK’s front-page, why he got out so quickly and why he hasn’t been charged with anything yet…..

    Is there a possibility he just signed a piece of paper to allow them to do it?

    LokiTorrent did it – now I know OiNK’s a good guy but if the police had my balls in a vice I’d soon sign anything they put in front of me.

  • Ink

    I don’t know doesn’t seem like a smart move to sign something that is practically a confession.
    I wouldn’t do that – showing good will and all… but thats a bit much but then again I’m not a lawyer.

    Imo he is still innocent he didn’t host anything and linking is not a crime for now so why let them harass my users?

  • Lyor Cohen Is A Cunt

    I used to work in the music biz and it’s way moar ‘criminal’ than anything P2P is doing.

  • Anonymous

    just threw a few bones to oinkybank.com

  • Mike

    When I first went to OiNK.cd and saw the frontpage I was just upset over the fact that my favorite site for the last year and a half was shut down. But the more I read this article and read some of the comments posted here, I am starting to slightly angry. I realized that I currently have 7 crates of vinyl records and in the past I owned about 200 cds. Countless times at parties while I was djaying or in my car a friend or an associate would ask me “who is that?” and the artist or group would have a new fan. Like someone said earlier, it IS art and it deserves to be shared, not marketed by some guy that doesn’t understand it. Maybe its just the music lover in me, but turning someone on to something new or watch their face light up is one of the bright spots of my day sometime. I went to OiNK several times to cop the single I heard on the radio or to find an artist I heard on an adult swim bump. I know record companies send out promos, but most of those things are garbage. Where do I go? I don’t download music because I’m trying to rip someone off, I download it because I love music. I’m upset that I’m going to miss out on my next favorite album because of this.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194808"][quote comment="194629"]

    The “law” applied to a website depends on the ground that the servers are on. And even in US there is no “clear violation of law” for torrent sites! there are plenty of US torrent sites, the only lawbreakers are the ones using the sites, not one hosting a site that does not contain copyrighted material. I do not know what lobby organisation you are from, but you clearly are brainwashed.

    In the internet world, laws applied to users and websites depends on where they are located.
    There are plenty of US torrent sites, it is not illigal to host a torrent site, and the servers do not contain copyrighted materials. Its the users of a site witch might be lawbreakers.

    That does not give rights for private foreign influence to corrupt police and make them steal servers from them.
    You have talked a great deal of stealing Mr. Lobby Dickhead, well your “heroes” just made the police steal servers in witch no copyrighted material is hosted on. Thats REAL stealing compared to the stealing you declare the world of doing without knowing anything about their laws.

    Dont think noone knows who you are..[/quote]

    I mean, no offense, but you really do not know who I am. I don’t post on other torrent sites. In fact I only started posting on this one today. There might be another Scott M, but trust me, I’m not him. I don’t represent any lobbies. If I represented a lobby, the last thing I would do is post on a torrent site with a bunch of people who have no influence over the law and no ability to change it as of yet. I download with torrents as much as the next guy actually. But that doesn’t mean that I am blinded to the fact that when I download copyrighted content, I am doing something illegal.

    You’re right that I am from the U.S., but that really doesn’t change anything I have said. There are copyright laws in every developing country and they are quite similar to laws in the U.S. You’re completely right, and I agree, that it was wrong for the police to perform their investigations “on behalf” of the record industry, which is how I interpreted the story. But at the same time, it’s not wrong to shut down an operation if it is a violation of the law, regardless of if the laws protect record companies or protect citizens.

    As I said earlier, I’m sure nobody who downloads torrents would support legislation that protects the criminal who just broke into your house and stole 200 of the CDs that you bought with your own money. Because that is exactly what is happening with record companies; it’s just that the interests of record companies are protected under the law, and the interests of users who advocate free dessimination of intellectual property are not (currently) protected under the law.

  • still another musician

    Let the products sell themselves / fuck advertising, commercial psychology / psychological methods to sell should be destroyed -d.boon

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="194920"]Now Alan (Oink) is being silent, which is expected in any sort of case like this.

    I’ve been thinking about why the IFPI was allowed to hijack OiNK’s front-page, why he got out so quickly and why he hasn’t been charged with anything yet…..

    Is there a possibility he just signed a piece of paper to allow them to do it?

    LokiTorrent did it – now I know OiNK’s a good guy but if the police had my balls in a vice I’d soon sign anything they put in front of me.[/quote]

    That is beacause you are LAME, and I am not talking about an encoder here.. Some peopel have balls, you have shown in the past with your actions that you don’t. Funny how many posts I see of yours in various forums and websites. You must be a real loser with nothing better to do. As you have said in other posts, you personally hacked Mr OINK’s server. Would not surprise me if you handed the information over to authorities, as I have heard that is the case. Why do you have to be such a schmuck? Nothing better to do with your useless life? I hope everyone in the P2P community sees you for what you are, a glory seeking LOSER.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195118"][quote comment="194808"][quote comment="194629"]

    As I said earlier, I’m sure nobody who downloads torrents would support legislation that protects the criminal who just broke into your house and stole 200 of the CDs that you bought with your own money. [/quote]
    We already have that – it’s called the Human Rights Act :(

  • oinkybank.com?

    Domain name: oinkybank.com

    Administrative Contact:

    Mike Hall (email@oinkybank.com)
    +1.5198903752
    Fax:
    635 Brenda Dr.
    London, N5Y 4W7
    US

    Looks like an address from Ontario. Who is this scammer?

  • and yet another musician

    still another musician wrote:
    “Let the products sell themselves / fuck advertising, commercial psychology / psychological methods to sell should be destroyed -d.boon”

    Aw, c’mon, that’s just shit from an old notebook.

  • Oink??

    I’m not an Oink user, to be honest I’ve never even heard of it and I doubt the majority of the population have heard of it either. Thanks to the RIAA I’m fully aware that file sharing is illegal and if I do it I will be fined and possibly sent to prison to share sunday dinner with the pedophiles and murderers. However I’m also aware that the RIAA & Co have recently been dealing some terrible hands, sending single mothers to court and suing them to till death, punishing the kids and now raiding homes and places of work… It appears that the RIAA is run just like the similarly named IRA via fear and aggression. I suspect that it’s only a matter of time before they start sending executive suicide bombers into the computer fairs.

    This argument about Oink hosting content is also very dubious. I’m sure after a two year investigation it would be fairly obvious that it’s virtually impossible for a bloke to be hosting global severs with terabytes of data from his low-budget 1 bed flat in Middlesbrough??

    If it were a proper operation, then it would be in a datacenter, run by teams of engineers, it would hold loads of hijacked music, and it would have a bus load of lawyers so you couldn’t get back your music and it would make hundreds of millions.

    Oh wait a minute… that company’s called Myspace!

  • Mark

    So, I went to the “Cleveland Police” web site and see that the “report a crime online” link is down. Hmm, kinda makes me wonder why.

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  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="195196"]As I said earlier, I’m sure nobody who downloads torrents would support legislation that protects the criminal who just broke into your house and stole 200 of the CDs that you bought with your own money. Because that is exactly what is happening with record companies; it’s just that the interests of record companies are protected under the law, and the interests of users who advocate free dessimination of intellectual property are not (currently) protected under the law.[/quote]
    Show me a single person who no longer owns their music because I downloaded a _copy_ of it from OiNK. I might not notice if someone stole a copy of my 200 CDs, because I would still have the ones I bought.

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  • Reignman

    I always thought that stealing is when you take something and it’s no longer there in the original owners possession. How can making a copy of something be stealing, it’s like when you read a book at the library and you leave the book behind but carrying the story with you. The story is still in the book for anyone to share, but you have a copy of it in your head. It just can’t be stealing if the object is still there…

  • Cringe

    It makes me cringe to read this pathetic joke supposedly meant to be journalism.

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    I wasn't aware that a private business is allowed to seize evidence in a criminal case, as seems to be the case with OiNK.cd. Under British law, it would be considered theft. If the record label is indeed controlling the domain, I believe that could also be considered tampering with evidence.

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