Woman Hit With $1.92 Million Fine in RIAA Case
Written by Ernesto on June 19, 2009Jammie Thomas-Rasset has lost her retrial against the RIAA and was ordered to pay $1.92 million for 24 songs she shared via Kazaa. The defense had argued that it might have been her children who shared the files instead of Thomas-Rasset, but the jury didn’t buy this and found her guilty.
In 2007 a jury slapped the single mother with a $222,000 verdict in her case against the RIAA, which she later appealed. When the case between Thomas-Rasset and the RIAA was declared a mistrial last year, the judge ruled that the fines were “disproportionate to the damages suffered.”
The case went up for re-trial before a new jury, who found her guilty and surprisingly handed out even harsher fines than in the first trial. Thomas-Rasset was ordered to pay $80,000 per infringement mounting up to a total of $1.92 million in fines.
Thomas-Rasset, like many others, couldn’t believe her ears when the court read out the verdict, and later said that it was “kind of ridiculous”.
Unlike most people, Thomas-Rasset never opted to settle with the RIAA, determining that she had the law on her side. Unfortunately for her the jury in this landmark case ruled she did not.
“We appreciate the jury’s service and that they take this issue as seriously as we do,” said Cara Duckworth, an RIAA spokeswoman. “We are pleased that the jury agreed with the evidence and found the defendant liable. Since day 1, we have been willing to settle the case and remain willing to do so.”
In the US juries can hand out fines up to an unbelievable $150,000 per infringement on a single song. The average settlement in related RIAA cases is around $3000, which is peanuts considering this recent verdict. In this light many people might be inclined to settle with the RIAA even when they don’t even own a computer.
How’s that for a business model?
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Does anybody have the list of songs she is being FUCKED OVER for? I’m gonna download these and upload, seed, share and post these EVERY FUCKING WHERE. This is just insane.
…$1.92 million in fines…
This is beyond ridiculous!
Cara Duckworth is a bitch n the whole RIAA is bunch of mother fuckers who make their living by taking people to such ridiculous trials! that’s my comment:)
American dollars? Soon that will only be like 50 Euros anyway. Ridiculous. Share on.. Shove this decision in their face. The people decide on what’s right, not $$$ corporations.
cool story bro :)
So…
Jammie goes for a retrial on the basis that the fines were too much…
And she gets ordered to pay almost nine times as much.
That jury was either very well paid by the RIAA, incredibly ignorant, or both.
Why do they call this a “justice” system when it’s anything but?
People, don’t be intimidated by this. That’s what the RIAA wants: to scare you into dropping your filesharing habits. But there’s no possible way that this woman will have to pay such a ludicrous amount of money (if any at all), so for your fellow swashbucklers and for The Cause, keep on seeding.
An American aren’t up in arms about this because ????????
What a stupid evil country the US is.
Hahaha, if this ever happened to me,
two words… Termite Grenade… into the jury….
ouch… Civil just turned Criminal :D
Also, some preemptive comments against neostyles and Reasoned Mind:
-No, in fact, this woman did not deserve the verdicts she got. She shared some songs- big deal. She’s never (presumably) hurt anyone. She is a victim- no, no, the RIAA is NOT the victim here. She is. The RIAA is making an example of her in order to scare people.
-No, this is not going to kill p2p. As I have stated, that is an incredibly huge amount of money. The RIAA cannot conceivably sue every filesharer out there for that much, both because prosecuting every filesharer is next to impossible (hence these scare tactics and making Jammie into an example) and because if the industry brought up this sort of lawsuit on a wide scale, an awful lot of people would boycott them faster than you can say “corporate bullying.”
-No, filesharing is not stealing. Nothing is being taken from anyone.
-No, filesharing is not wrong. What is wrong is for a commercial entity to attempt to restrict the public’s access to information. Copying is human nature; it’s how we progress as a society.
-Last but not least, no, nobody is listening to you. No filesharers are going to come across your comments and renounce their ways. For you see, people aren’t generally inclined to give up their freedom and rights simply because someone else says that it’s what they should do so that someone else can profit from it.
they really pick the wrong targets to make a statement a single mum wtf hax just go after people who are actually profiting not giving or getting for free.
Why dont you go after the scene groups instead of worrying about people who cant or dont want to buy ur badly priced cds.
this case may scare the people who dont know how to use a computer but it only pisses off the people who are a bit more smarter with sharing.
Insane.
this is ridiculus considering its only like 99c to buy the same tracks on itunes. obivous an example case….but do they really think she has the cash for that, meaning she’ll end up in jail costing the tax payer anyway. joke
I thought in America that it was unconstitutional to award excessive fines.
Why the hell does a jury decided the fine? what does the average person know about the actual cost of sharing a bunch of songs?
What the hell do they expect her to do? Pay the millions?
Put her in jail when she can’t?
Maker her virtual financial slave America?
Geee talk about the “greatest” country in the world.
Ba if people don’t want to the riaa to get away with crap like this just boycott them and i mean really boycott, no more listening or downloading or doing anything with the artists who are related with the riaa. And send the artists letters stating your objection to the riaa and that you will not support the artist anymore sure your letter wont matter but if thousands are sent watch them change there tune.
-Jay
Damn sheeple >:( We need to institute some sort of IQ test before we allow people to serve on a jury.
I guess she will have to spill some Mc DooDoo’s Coffee twixt her legs to pay this off. : /
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/jammie-thomas-retrial-verdict.ars
Normally I don’t jump on the wtfbbqbias train but you do take it a bit out of context :p
She replaced her hard drive *right* after she got the RIAA DMCA notice and well, if it didn’t look like she was trying to sidestep the law, she probably wouldn’t have been charged for anything near that (they didn’t know about the new hard drive in the first trial).
She can still appeal it, and from what I’ve heard her lawyer is sueing the RIAA anyway seperately, plus she can also appeal the amount that she has to pay.
Also, the RIAA is attempting to look nice, and they probably won’t collect the fine. But still, $80,000 per song… =\
Half of what TPB got in fine,
They share the world, she shared 24 songs.
/facepalm
@11 J(ay),
Her new lawyer tried to use the excess damages thing, but they declared it too late and the opposing side wasn’t given enough time to build a response ahead of the trial so they dropped it. There’s another case that will be using it soon though :).
Also, I’ll admit to being a music pirate online (due to my being a minor and lack of a job/money), but I haven’t even so much as downloaded an RIAA-owned song in the last 3 years :)
The one good thing about the RIAA’s “don’t steal music” montage in ye olden times was that it let me find different, better music. Now I’m a fan of Hardcore/Gabber, UK Hardcore, and similar genres, and I’ll be buying a pair of CDJ800MK2s and plenty of CDs and Vinyls when I get the chance to try my hand at DJing, but it’s not like any RIAA member companies care since they won’t be getting any of my money ;D
I’m wondering… Who was on that jury? I can understand the RIAA asking for a maximum fine (after all, that’s their purpose on earth), but the jury? What’s so wrong with people that they would even seriously consider such a harsh penalty? And they call it a fair trial :(
Also (sorry for spamming the comments :p)
“I’m not going to hold it against them.” She added, though, that the recording industry would never collect the money. “Good luck trying to get it from me… it’s like squeezing blood from a turnip.”
She’s not going to pay, sound like any other pirates we know that were recently sued for a ton of money? xD
Ah, the US lawyers are so fond of phallumetry. I hear they also like to give people “multiple life sentences” for violent crimes…
I live in Ireland and we have just had a case here were a woman who owed €18,000 to a Credit Union was being sent to jail.
She took it to the High court and it was found that sending people to jail for unpaid debt was in fact unconstitutional.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mother-in-debt-wins-test-case-over-jail-order-94464.html
USA, Fail!
Republic, FTW!
Remember to look at the path the USA is taking and don’t let Europe fall in the same shit.
Seriously, i understand why copyright infrigement is illegal but this is just way over the top. THIS ISN’T JUSTICE YOU FUCKERS.
Is it fair to destroy someon’es life ebcause some fuckers lost a few bucks?
I hope she doesnt have to pay.
Just encrypt your traffic and use an anonymous network and everything will be like before LoL
F**k thats just plain out rediculas, makes me pissed. Riots in the streets! Stone RIAA
How can i find the contact data of these judges? I want to send them a letter concerning how out of thouch with reality they are.
I am so angry.
There is a very good article on digital copyright by one of the founders of the pirate bay.
Tweet it and increase the number of people who are well informed.
http://bit.ly/5bKrO
$80k per song.
“We are pleased that the jury agreed with the evidence and found the defendant liable. Since day 1, we have been willing to settle the case and remain willing to do so.”
Of course you’d be pleased. You can now buy off more politicians. Grats.
The U.S. is house to 25% of the world prison population by some accounts. Not even Russia and China can beat the U.S. :)
Dayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
is this a joke or what ?
Those 24 songs even don’t cost 50,000$, how come 1.92$ million ? and from where she’ll give that money ? Rip-off bank ? Kill people to collect $ or … ?
I am very very happy that i am not living in the USA and not willing to also.
This is just crazy, i mean WoW. WTF and yeah WTFFFFFF WTFFFFFFFFFF!!!
F**K USA LAW AND USA LAWYERS WHO EVEN CAN’T FEEL HOW USA RESIDENCE WILL PAY 1.92$ MILLION!!!!
p.s: SHE WON’T BE ABLE TO PAY THAT $ AND SHE IS BROKEN, I AM SURE SHE WILL SUICIDE OR RUN AWAY FROM THE USA. YOU WILL SEE THIS ! ONCE AGAIN F**K THE USA LAW
The jurors either didn’t have a brain, or got brainwashed before the trial. I think they should get jailed for such a plain absurd sentence. To drive a car you need a licence, to ruin a life, nothing.
Maybe she should seek POLITICAL ASYLUM somewhere like Ukraine…
So could the JURY BE BRIBED?
Or are they just stupid, getting fooled by the MRIIA’s top lawyers?
What do you think?
even if she was handed the maximum fine it was the judge who agreed the sum! plus its up to the RIAA to go after her for the cash which they probably wont anyway!
I think the whole thing is a farce, just because you are right doesn’t mean you will win automatically. You still have to fight.
She didn’t call her expert witness, and did not attempt to fight the info coming from the riaa, she just sat there and lost.
And if you honestly think an unbiased jury would determine that 1 downloaded/uploaded song is costing the industry 80,000$$$, well, share some of that crack you are smoking with me
Thanks god i am in india i am downloading like crazy here with my new 16Mbps connection i download like around 20 gigs a day and seeding it for months !
Can any one guess whats the amount of fine they can put on me ?
May be a few billion dollars!
@4nd Well said!
“There’s no justice in life” – Snakefinger
the only tragedy here is that she wasn’t brutally raped and her family burned alive… that’s what i would have done… after having dirty sex neostyles…oh neostyles dump your wife and devote yourself to me we can make the everything so much hotter , follow me sweetheart
Thank goodness it’s not happening here. If ever there’s a similar case in the Philippines involving that same amount of money, the only ones that can actually afford that are the corrupt politicians here who are computer illiterate! LOL
It’s easy when you got the money, just buy the law. It’s kinda cynical that they call it democracy.
Btw, EVERYONE should download 3 times as much now, as a thank you for this BS verdict.
riaa scum, im looking forward to the music and movie industry going bankrupt
Listen up, people.
Do not blame the jury……….they only followed the instructions!
Blame the R.I.A.A.; they are the root of this evil!
Be well…..my friends.
Mike Meehowski
USA, N.Y.
24 songs?! That’ll be $24 from iTunes store then, assuming she “stole” the songs. So how did they make the jump from $1 per song to $80,000?
@Arpit You can get 16Mbps broadband in India? Wow, I was there about 6 months ago, fastest connection at the time was about 2Mbps. Progress, eh?
Did the lawyer out of the Simpsons represent her?
The amount makes no difference if its 50k or 50m. She cant pay.
I do see it being reduced on appeal because the amount is insane, even for the corrupt US courts.
Here’s what Cary Sherman had to say … http://politicomix.blogspot.com/2009/06/winning-hearts-and-minds.html
You should never have a password on your wireless network, so you can say my neighbors were using it. Problem solved.
This is total BS ot’s to harsh 1.9m wtf ridiculous that’s why the US bankrupt right now. ohh wait maybe that’s why their asking 1.9M cause the music label is about to get bankrupt too.
This is easier than robbing
This is easier than robbery
The music industry is obviously buying judges…
I think it is same thing if RIAA demand 100 000 dollars or 100 000 million dollars.
It’s funny, because RIAA makes themself an idiots.
They pay lawyers and the jury for what? 24 songs, what you can buy at sales for $10? Or at the Internet stores like iTunes for $24.
This isn’t good bisness :D
If you look at who defense council is, there maybe something in it.
This guy wants to take on the RIAA head-on. His also a young hot-shot who wants to make a big name for himself.
The over-sized verdict allows him to appeal and question the constitutionality of the copyright law, as applied in this case, itself!
This is ridiculous. record companys suck now. They are all about corporate greed like Monsanto in case you never heard of Monsanto watch on youtube The world according to Monsanto you will hate whats being done to your food.
But for this lady what will they do ? put her in jail if she doesnt pay? they are saying she is a criminal by them winning. so Therefore what kind of jail houses people who downloaded and owe someone 1.9mil.
this is like getting blood from a turnip. They have no means but to attach her wages the rest of her life. She has a family and they can not take the food from her children.
My thought is they will have to look how much she makes ( which is very small ) and calculate an amount to deduct from her wages. Now if she becomes unemployed? guess she cant pay then .
/facepalm indeed, wtf kind of judicial system is this? it’s starting to look like there could be death penalties in Texas for file-sharing (judging from how the US courts are deteriorating).
There truly is no justice in america. This would never happen here in the uk. I feel a deep sympathy for this womans plight.
This is so unreal!
”…many people might be inclined to settle with the RIAA even when they don’t even own a computer.”
fuck that! I’d rather die owing the goddam rigaygay an amount they will never collect than settle with their overkill punishment.
Poor bastards in the U.S. What a corrupt and truly evil country.
This is the most ridiculous thing i’ve heard all year. Thank god I don’t live there, seems what Americans used to call the 3rd world is now the preferred place to live.
Is this going to convince you Americans to join your local Pirate Party now? What will it take before you stand together and fight this evil in your country? At least Sweden and Germany are starting to stand up to this crap. Americans sit there and do what they’re told, no matter how unjust. Truly disgraceful beyond belief.
I have spent over 50,000 bucks in the last 5 years on dvd,bluray and every device you can think to play them including multiple massive t.vs.but with this verdict and the ACTA agreement thats it.
NOT ONE MORE PENNY FOR YOU FROM ME MPAA!!!!.i will now download like a MOTHER FUCKER! and unlike before i will not buy your content when it FINALLY becomes available.so well done,your total lack of regard for your fellow humans rights has lost you a customer that probably spends a hundred times more a year than the average joe on the street that doesnt file share!
SO FUCK YOU MPAA AND FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS WHO SWALLOW YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!
RIAA are a bunch of assholes.
The more they are sueing people like this, the more people GET angry and people are enlighted to share stuff on Bittorrent even more.
im currently sharing 25000 songs on slsk….2.000.000.000$ :D
You will all be caught one day. I’m going to buy a dog and get some curtains.
i feel sorry for dis chick, i seriously do, real sorry. that much for 24 songs, its outragious compared to the many other crimes right now
the jury has been bought, it’s obvious, and the sum is way too much since there’s been absolutely NO arm done.
Let’s all stop buying CDs/DVDs/BRs and this worse than nazi “industry” will go away like the dinosaurs
this is terribly unfair she just shared a few songs not embezzled peoples life savings.
Ridiculous and heartless even for the American judicial system
AnarchyNow, i’ve stopped buying CDs/DVDs/BRs ages ago. Never ever will I buy again. I will not support terrorists.
How could you possibly want to live in America. Even the Chinese wouldn’t do this to their own people. I bet Obama was just laughing at this cruel act.
lol Kazaa, I just got a nostalgia rush.
Also, this is bullshit. This just shows that jurys are fucking dumb when it comes to copyright cases.
letting a jury of people without any knowledge of the matter and no education make the fines wow just wow
America, the promised land!
omg, i dont get why people accept this shit!
Welcome to the world of statutory damages where you don’t need to prove the value of the harm but just it harmed you and it was made to punish companies with multi million dollars but is being used to extract money and publicity from single moms now.
####### F*ck you M.A.F.I.A.A. #######
!!!!!!! STOP BUYING CD/DVD/BR !!!!!!!!
what the fuck ?
I think she did the right thing not to settle this and fight in the court. I think she did the right thing.
KaZaA still exists really?
Even if she is a liar which she probably is she didn’t deserve to have her life exposed like that in a court of law because of music download from the internet that even the MAFIAA agree is like a radio station because they tried recently in Canada argue that the internet should be treated as a broadcaster LoL
Well.. All I can say is she was stupid to think the American legal system was fair.
£1.2million, i’m lost for words at how clueless the legal system is in america.
Fuck the RIAA
America…The Sky’s the limit
and just imagine there is over 70million others in the usa that are criminals as well… thats more ppl then voted for the president!!!
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008″
the Riaa president even knows this as fact and talks about it…
as far as the other countries around the world goes if this becomes a standard in the usa the rest of the world is in big trouble… the usa is the only thing that has stop the rest of the world from sliding into Stalin type gov… it was the usa the caused the Europeans to fight for their freedom from their oppressors in the first place be ready to slide right back into it…
check this…
the RIAA says the radio stations are pirates as well but they do not choose to sue them to stop… that is an unfair business act by allowing them to violate the law yet they do nothing about it because they gain from it… there is not much difference in dl the music if some one really likes the music they will buy it to support the artist!!!
with this type of biased gov here in the usa i hope the woman just claims bk on them… as well as anyone else they try to do this unlawful act against…
all this does is put nails on the coffin of the music industry as we know it!!! why would ppl support these ppl or anyone associated with them any more? the best bet is to starve them of their precious cash and never pay for another song or recording that is associated to any company that does business with the RIAA again!!!
if u pay for music u support this type of industry!!!
It was a civil (as opposed to criminal) trial, she can just declare herself bankrupt and will have nothing to pay, or if she does not have any assets the RIAA won’t get anything anyway – you cannot get blood out of a stone. There is no way the artists suffered more than a few dollars of actual damages, it seems punitive damages have been awarded which would not apply or be readily challenged in other cases in the same state, other states and definitely in other contries. Share on dudes
Is is some kinda joke to scare ppl. Poor woman.
http://riseofthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/06/internet-and-file-sharing.html
The world is certainly fallig sick.
Clear case of when law is not catching up with reality….
This way ,the prisons will be soon overflowing…
I think the point they are trying to make is, If you download Shit for free we will ruin your lives..
So fuck em, everyone share that bit extra. No ones scared of them clowns.
i am now convinced that boycotting them and anyone connected to them is the only way to bring them down.
I will do my bit and down\upload like a mother fucker!!!.
@54 If this was covered on the news here in america I am sure that people would be up in arms, But There has been almost no mention of it on our local news.
I am sure that plenty of americans will eventually join a pirate party, but first we have to stop laughing at our president.
Woman hit with 1.9 million fine not in the news. The top story this week
Obama kills a fly.
I don’t settle, I get revenge..
be prepared, I will go after everything you love.. after all.. that’s what you do. :)
yes i hope she dies, an i hope she burns in hell
on that logic at about $80,000 a track i’d be fined $1,000,000,000. how is this verdict even possible?????
A jury influenced by the media lies of the pro-copyright lobby.
#7 – That was epic and gave me a good laugh.. You know those trolling hooligans will be following.. Just starting to read comments now..
#11 – Worst comes light she will just declare bankruptcy.. RIAA = 0 – Thomas = 1..
Wow. That is some serious bullshit.
Poor woman.
Have no fear! I shall slay this beast which tramples my peoples and we shall all feast on it’s quivering flesh!
I’ve figured it all out. now we know that we’re all worth $80,000 for every illegal $1 mp3 we’ve stolen, non of us will ever have any reason to commit suicice on the logic “no one will notice if im gone”. Its now a natural step, thanks to the MAFIA, that i know id make a difference – millions of $$$ difference. now i have a reason to Live. Thankyou RIAA!!!
Oh and if all 7million file sharers in UK are sued for $2million each we can help out the world economy to the sum of $14,000 billion dollars. Now thats fixing the credit crunch!!!
RIAA: Go die!
[sarcasm] America, the land of the freedom [/sarcasm]
hey neostyles and Reasoned Mind, by your logic me using websites with an adblocker is illegal…ahaha i dont care about your silly scientologist morals.
long ling open source, long live the pirate bay,
i say we find out SPECIFICALLY what the 20-some-odd songs were that she got busted for, make a torrent that includes JUST those files, name it the Thomas-Rasset torrent, and make it one of the most downloaded files in HISTORY.
Just to show these RIAA pricks what the term “Ludicrously OUTNUMBERED” means.
@92,10 million, a little over the top dont you think, i highly doubt that the equivelant to a sixth of the uks population would download the same torrent file. more like 10 thousand at a push. and why not sharing, the word distribution seems to suggest that its being done for a reason, for self gain, when infact it is being done out of kindess, to share, hence the term sharing, seems appropriate. illegal sharing then, fair enough i have yet to see a torrent freak article that claims sharing isnt illegal.
rant over, on a side note, i think this fine is just beyond riduclous, and is immensly disproportionate, this is an absolute mockery of justice.
It is filesharing it’s just in a massive way the internet is not called the “super information highway” for nothing.
Unfortunatly you cannot dismiss judgements in bankruptcy court. That said I usualy don’t support this type of idea as it generaly does more harm than good, but maybe it is time to make people (jurors) fear ludicris judgements such as this. I am just saying isn’t the jury list public record? Couldn’t they be made an internet example? Possibly this type of approach would make people think before handing down excessive judgements like this, or would this undermine or whole legal system? Is our whole legal system already too far gone?
the front of yahoo and the the very bottom the riaa lawyers are still quoted as saying that they are still willing to settle with her
@101 – perhaps because they know they’ll not get $1 of that $1.92million, but maybe now a smaller (relativly) $1000s settlement?
http://www.gemworld.com/EdMandellHouse.htm
Edward Mandell House had a great idea to slave the american people he called “Social Insurance”(Social Security right now)
Now come this crazy people saying that imaginary property have a value X and that they own it, don’t pay attention to crazy people they will get you into the poor house LoL
@12.. I believe the problem is though that either anybody who file shared couldn’t serve on the jury.. Or that the damn RIAA did a hell of a job booting out people who did share.. Essentially creating an uneducated biased jury.. I bet you they said steal 2000 times during the trial.. Eventually you will swing a jury..
85 (neostyles) wrote:
“yes i hope she dies, an i hope she burns in hell”
——————–
Why is this nazi scum allows to write here on TF?
Does TorrentFreak protect this nazi scum on purpose?
Why has not this nazi banned?
great idea,
the “Jammie Thomas-Rasset Tribute Torrent”, I think TPB will be happy to promote it on the front page if you email them, as an extra special big FU 2 RIAA & Co.
This is the height of corporate greed and corruption. This was most obviously a show trial. There’s nope hope in hell that this single mom is going to be able to pay this outrageous fine. She is going to be perpetual debt thanks to corporate greed and an American government that enables it.
The thing of it is that the settlement is considered found money by the corporations. The real goal is getting this “show” trial victory allowing a precedent for further abuses of the court system. This will be a part of their platform to cry out their propaganda through the media. This is disgusting but unfortunately this is the way of the world now; where corporate whims will trump out over an individual’s rights and freedoms.
she just has to sell her assests and declare bankruptcy, then don’t file joint taxes and don’t jointly own property with anyone and don’t report income…the RIAA will go broke at that rate considering how much they spent to sue her.
@92.. Sharing is what you are doing when you utilize the bittorrrent protocol.. Illegal distribution is generally reservered for people actually infriging copyrights for profit.. As i’ve said before you cannot come up here to Canada and spew that kind of crap.. We pay tarriffs on blank media.. Downloading to our hard drives for personal use is legal.. CRIA wants to make it illegal and\or make people to believe its illegal.. On a side note if this is the type of propaganda the CRIA president wants to spew to the media then the Canadian govt should cease implementing all tariffs immediately.. Artists get very little of the money they deserve up here due to the record labels and poor distribution scheme.. The tariffs help a bit but in the end its not alot.. This is why the CMCC was created..
Some of the CMCC artists are below..
Feist, Sam Roberts, Sloan, Broken Social Scene, Billy Talent, Sarah McLachlan, Avril Lavigne, Barenaked Ladies and much more..
That’s ridiculous. She should have just paid the other fine.
Well, if she had Dl’d 24 songs, she’s been sued twice for the same thing, so if you break it down…
…they get to sue her 22 more times!!!
I wonder if any of the music artist’s will;
a) see a dime of this
b) really give a rats ass
c) none of the above
What an abuse of tax payer money to prove how big an asshole you are to the world & you are the only one that really cares about 24 f00king songs…
Shine on!
@92 Filesharing is exactly that… If you look at the responsibility for each of the million people that have “shared” the file, you will find that on average they give less than 2 copys each away (IE seed ratio under 2) – thats like buying a CD and loaning it to 2 friends who each decide (by themselves) to copy it! (After all – you dont force an “illegal” copy into their hands!)
A non-profit that we could donate to should be formed to provide for the RIAA victims after they declare bankruptcy and change the ownership of their assests. An organization that provides assistance so that the victims don’t earn any income that will go to the RIAA.
@99 .. The only debts she has to pay are tax and student loans if I read the document correctly.. After she files the RIAA can choose to fight the bankruptcy filing but they almost certainly wont as the burden of proof is on the debtors the RIAA hires.. If they threaten her after she files they are breaking Federal law.. Even if she does start over and say the RIAA gets 100k.. That will not even cover the cost of the RIAA lawyers used in the case..
I believe the RIAA has made a mistake assuming they asked for such high fines per infringement..
Well, guys…
Don’t buy any MOVIES, nor CDs!!!
Each time that you buy a RIAA CD or MPAA movie you are supporting
terrorism… remember ALL THE TIME that.
If you buy or consume any of these products you are ON PURPOSE supporting terrorism, and YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE!!!!
Don’t go to the cinema, don’t rent movies, don’t buy RIAA CDs, don’t buy MPAA movies (DVD, blu ray, etc.)
BOYCOTT TOTALLY THE USA ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY EVEN THAT THEY DIE AND GET BANKRUPTCY!!!
And obviously, YOU SHARE A LOT MORE THAN BEFORE!!!
Visit this page http://www.riaaradar.com in order to know that CDs are from the evil RIAA.
Evil.. Just Evil. America should be ashamed. What a horrible way to treat your citizens. Disgrace..
is there list of Artists involved available?
I feel the need to detroy some of my CD’s and delete some mp3’s as well.
Don’t be fooled this women is clearly a hardened criminal the two kids are just for window dressing.
What we should do now is send all RIAA cd’s we own back to them with a note. Telling them we want nothing of them anymore. They can have their shit music.
effing stupid yanks, with their bullshit laws that they make up as they go along….land of freedom and democracy my arse.
Too bad they did only sue for 24 songs and not the 1700 they claimed she infringed copyrights on. In that case we would be talking about a $136 MILLION fine.
And should they ever catch someone with a HDD full of mp3s there sure will be a fine of ~$18 GAZILLION.
I feel sad for people that have to live in such a country. And I fear that the MAFIAA will turn my country into a banana republic too.
i agree with neostyles, soon we’ll lock up the rest of you and hang you from trees, you deserve it cause you’re hanging the artists and actors from trees and stealing their property, honestly do you think you live alone on an alone, the law will prevail, and you will be shot for copyright infringement
The reason this is happening in America is because the US no longer has real Americans.
If the US had people who weren’t too lazy to spend a few hours to voice themselves and be heard, this wouldn’t even be a possibility.
Everyone in the US talks on forums and whatnot about how its unjust, etc, etc… Wheres the marches? Wheres the protests…
Heck 99% cant even be bothered to spend 5 minutes and write their “elected” representative.
But you know who does bother with your representative? The RIAA… lol
And that’s why they will continue to get their way, and will continue to win!
So in most ways, I hate to say it… You reap what you sow and inaction is the same as permission.
I don’t even blame the gov’t or the RIAA, I blame each and every American who lets this be a reality. Each and every American who gives these party’s “permission”.
In times like this, I almost regret calling myself an American, we used to stand for something decent.
Now Americans are just the definition of pathetic.
So wrapped up in their selfish unsustainable little blackberry fantasy world, they let their representatives and their corrupt associates walk all over them.
For the people, by the people…?
LOL
Thepiratebay and mininova are being watched 24/7..I would suggest looking for other sites
First off, F the RIAA. (Made me feel better to get that out right away.) Yes the US Justice system is broken and this case is proof. This jury was as stupid as the one that found OJ Simpson not guilty of murder. The fine should be illegal under the Bill of Rights as “Cruel and Unusual Punishment!” Fortunately, the concept of a “debtor’s prison” has been gone since the days of Charles Dickens so Jammie should start sheltering her assets and not pay a cent of this.
@safe. They sure are being watched. By millions of filesharers around the world. Share on people. This is just crap to scare little kiddies and make nappy wearing businessmen wet themselves.
I would seed the “Jammie Thomas-Rasset Tribute Torrent” until my computer died.
That’s an awesome idea.
Also, no one ever accused us Americants of being collectively intelligent. Is anyone really surprised that a group of us could possibly be heartless, inhuman, apathetic, idiotic sons-a’bitches? We’ve proven that, in groups, we are, time and time again.
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23534
Don’t know how to upload torrents, but who hasn’t got most of these tracks….GO TORRENT FANS MAKE US PROUD
Vanessa Williams – Save the best for last
Sheryl Crow – Run baby run
Reba McEntire – One honest heart
Janet Jackson – let’s wait awhile
Guns ‘n Roses – Welcome to the jungle
Guns ‘n Roses – November rain
Def Leppard – Pour some sugar on me
Bryan Adams – Somebody
Aerosmnith – Cryin
Linkin Park – One step closer
Green Day – Basket case
Goo Goo Dolls – iris
No Doubt – Hella Good
No Doubt – Different people
No Doubt – Bathwater
Sarah McLaughlan – Building a mystery
Sarah McLaughlan – Possession
Gloria Estefan – Rhythm is gonna get you
Gloria Estefan – Here and we are
Gloria Estefan – coming out of the dark
Journey – Faithfully
Journey – Don’t stop believin
Destiny’s child – Bills, bills, bills
Richard Marx – Now and for ever
I believe that all we, the filesharers in TorrentFreak are obliged to demand from TorrentFreak the immediate elimination of the users ‘Reasoned Mind’ and neostyles and all their clones. This action is not against freedom of speech…
Reasoned Mind, neostyles and their clones are criminals that are openly supporting crime and terrorism against innocent citizens, their conduct
is against decency, basic morality, and this should not be tolerated nor allowed, and I am sure that the majority of people here agree with me.
I’ll leave the same comment I did on Wired:
2 million dollars going where? to the artists? Didn’t think so.
I can’t wait till the RIAA lobbyists start boasting about this, like they did with the TPB trial (can’t wait for the re-trial), that should be a treat.
here is the playlist:
Guns N Roses “Welcome to the Jungle”; “November Rain”
Vanessa Williams “Save the Best for Last”
Janet Jackson “Let’s What Awhile”
Gloria Estefan “Here We Are”; “Coming Out of the Heart”; “Rhythm is Gonna Get You”
Goo Goo Dolls “Iris”
Journey “Faithfully”; “Don’t Stop Believing”
Sara McLachlan “Possession”; “Building a Mystery”
Aerosmith “Cryin’”
Linkin Park “One Step Closer”
Def Leppard “Pour Some Sugar on Me”
Reba McEntire “One Honest Heart”
Bryan Adams “Somebody”
No Doubt “Bathwater”; “Hella Good”; “Different People”
Sheryl Crow “Run Baby Run”
Richard Marx “Now and Forever”
Destiny’s Child “Bills, Bills, Bills”
Green Day “Basket Case”
“When a man uses profanity to support an argument, it indicates that either the man or the argument is weak – probably both”
Wow this got a lotta attention, I noticed it last night.
But here in america hardly anything gets thrown onto the news and news papers, its the RIAA and so on that controls the news along with the US gov.
Can anyone find out what songs were in question here?
@130
Never leaving ThePirateBay. Ever.
Mininova – I have already left, since they agreed to filter their torrents.
As for this story, how can a Judge possibily rule that, I bet the RIAA bribed the Judge with a percentage of the fine, to get him to fine her as much as possible.
Researchers conclude piracy not stifling content creation
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/06/researchers-conclude-piracy-not-stifling-content-creation.ars
So much for the argument that sharing will end music creation LoL
Every day now more studies come to light and debunk the MAFIAA the only ones believing are the nut jobs and the ones with the pockets lined with money taken from the moms of innocent children :(
Copyright was meant as an incentive for the creation of arts not welfare for artists so legalize file sharing now!
Even if we assumed a one dollar value per download, and assumed 1,000 downloads from her for each song, she could still only have cost them a total of 24,000 USD. Those statistics are assuming that every downloader received data directly from her, and that every download was a lost sale. This is not even considering the fact that many of those songs can be streamed online for free. Someday, a law will probably be passed limiting reparations to the literal sum lost by the plaintiff.
Still, the verdict will never directly affect her in the U.S. The RIAA should be given some credit for still offering settlement after the trial, as opposed to being completely merciless (although it is in their best interests).
@ 131
O.J. was found not guilty, because he was a successful football star who also happened to be African American. Reversed racism combined with football thrown into the mix really throws off American courts…
The RIAA are mobsters, in exactly the same way as ‘Al Capone’ was.
They don’t care at all about the artists that they represent.
Almost all the money of each CD sold go directly to the wallets of this corrupt industry of mobsters.
Any artist represented by the RIAA receive in the best cases around 10% from the sale of each album. The rest (around 90%) go to the wallets of the RIAA mobsters. These are the real facts, and this unjust model has worked of this way in (at least) for more than 5 decades.
Since all of the previous lawsuits were a complete failure for the morons at the “industry” its futile attempts to collect a debt from so many “pirates” is seen on this trial. Of course if the judge was smarter and more on planet earth, the riaa wouldn’t have been so “happy” after all right/ in any case, it would take MONTHS, hear it? MONTHS before the riaa gets even a single cent from anyone. That of course includes me. If the industry would ask me for money for their thoughts.. i’d get a fraction of the fine mentoined in the article as CHANGE. Calling the industry an idiot is an insult to all the stupid people, even the trolls. To quote the uS anthem, “for the land of the GREEEDD…. & the home of the (corporate/governmental) slave…”
Damn, that is sad …. as said before, $0.99 a song = $80,000?
Are they smoking crack rocks?
Anyone hear of bankruptcy? Hahaha RIAA, suck it
Seriously … pull your heads out of that dark hole you call your ass.
The RIAA does not move legaly without making sure everything has been properly rigged in their favor.
The jury members and the judge are obvioulsy corrupted. Both must be investigated.
Who receive money from whom?
$6,720,000,000 is what I’d have to pay if they sued me on the same basis.
That’s 6 billion dollars. 6 BILLION dollars. I make $9 an hour on my part-time job. I would probably have to suck c0ck until I’m 99 years-old to pay this kind of debt. XD
The system the music industry is using has come to an end. If they don’t realize it and take measures to surf on this new technology wave, they’ll just drown. If they don’t, let’s hope the people will make sure their feet are stuck into cement.
I have read from some comments here of who I believe are USA citizens
concerned by this that there has not been coverage by the traditional news media of this disgraceful incident.
If this is the case, you (the USA citizens) should report this and
forcing to the traditional news media to publish this disgraceful
incident and doing something about it against these mobsters from the
RIAA.
The USA citizens should know that their judicial system don’t represent them anymore, and that something must be done about it.
It could go further than “don’t even own a computer.” I can see the executors for the estates of those accused of copyright infringement after death now paying up.
we should have neostlyes and reasoned mind banned, why are these nazi freaks allowed, i read a comment by one of the freaks saying he hoped the woman would burn in hell for what shes done, what a freak, they’d kill us all if they could get away with it.
TF has no excuse get off your asses and ban these two sad freaks
stop defending her and attacking me, she had it coming
“That’s ridiculous. She should have just paid the other fine.”
No. She should not give a penny to these parasites!
stop the calling me an RIAA troll, i prefer the term dickpump
oh sure why not legalise murder , i never liked the guy across the street from me, legalise marijuana cause drugs aren’t harmful to society,
yeah right get a clue, society is about laws, and if you break the law you deserve punishment not only for yourself but also to deter others from comming the same crime, which here is to steal artistic creations,
the jury was fair and balanced, and the amount received was deserved, she could have settled but she had to go and be a hero, and this is her reward congrats she earned it.
@151
Hah. Yeah sure… laws are supposed to exist to protect us. But at the moment, they exist to screw over the people and make cash for big corporations.
And if you still think everything that the law says is all holy, you might want to check out the situation in some other countries.
Idiot. It’s people like you that are what’s wrong with society. Sheepishly taking everything as the government says for sacred and afraid to question laws and the higher power. If the world is ever going to change for the better, people need to realize that they are being screwed over and need to stand up for themselves.
A single mother and her families life is ruined by the RIAA. They are no doubt emotionally, mentally, financially devasted and scarred for the rest of their lives.
Why isn’t the US public upset about this? Why isn’t there a revolt against the RIAA because they are obviously ONLY interested in profiting off of families that can’t even afford these lawsuits?
The RIAA and their “artists” aren’t the victims here. People complain about how other groups such as something as benign as “Gay Marriage” are a threat to american families, and yet clearly the RIAA has the capacity to do far more severe and permanent damage to American families and their children.
What a f*cking r*tarded verdict, and the RIAA is even more f*cking r*tarded for doing a victory dance for seriously harming a single parent and her children.
I just don’t understand why no one is coming to her defense just because her kids made a mistake. The RIAA has everyone so badly brainwashed that they can not think for themselves anymore.
That’s the goal of the RIAA; to brain wash people and take as much money as they can from them.
I’ll never buy another CD again.
god neostyles and reasoned retard are growing tiring..
when are you idiots going to realize that we are a resistance group.. we will never win.. but the fact that we made a huge dent in this crap industry will eventually lead to better things..
if we did nothing, the world would be run by corporations being able to do whatever they want..
the world will never ever be FREE EVERYTHING.. nobody would let that happen..
but you must fight the good fight, for freedom.. a happy medium will become of it and the future will progress into better things.
as our rights are dwindled and we are treated as cattle and slaves to growing power and money.. we will protest in any shape or form..
There is no other choice.
Yes what a stupid, stupid country we are. The only thing worse is when we arrested 4 + people for running a legitimate business that operated as a search engine and rhymed with ” The Schmirate Schmay” ………oh wait that wasn’t us. Yes other countries do make incredibly stupid decisions too! Imagine that!! Stop bashing the USA. You wished you lived here.
Now that is hilariously stupid. She’ll never be able to pay that, and they know it. It’s just a scare tactic.
Im pretty sure people having nothing to do with filesharing would agree Neostyles is a complete moron..
its like he lives in a bubble.. completely oblivious to the real world.
Wake up dude nobody agrees with you. You make zero sense and nobody is going to side with someone who has no morals. We are freedom fighters here.. and your just another brainwashed clown who talks out of his rich ass..
You think in a fantasy world.. we are the people, and in the end the only thing that matters.. not your pipe dreams of power and money.
We are like the ocean.. the ocean gives and takes as it pleases.. and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
The best response here is not to use vpn, try to cover your tracks or whatever. We all should strive to be sued, sued hard, get fined for hundreds of millions of dollars. Only by civil disobedience will we conquer what we want, raise awareness from the ignorant, and change the laws on our favor.
People who use VPNs are just cowards who can’t stand up for their rights.
Are you people fcking blind? Reasoned Mind, Neostyles and the like are TROLLS. This is the Internet, where trolls breed like rabbits.
Everyone should know the most important rule EVER: Don’t feed the trolls
I bet she’s going to go on government funded welfare so the rest of America can pay her bill. Not so bad for her after all.
And rightly deserved. Stealing files is a crime that costs the economy hundreds of billions every year. Think about that.
What about stop saying “omg, I won’t buy anything from any company related to the RIAA” and just stop buying it. I has been on the boycott for a few years now, and I don’t understand what is everyone waiting to start the boycott, at least anyone who has been reading torrent freak the last year(s).
In fact, I don’t know why there haven’t been protest or anything about all of this crap, what are you waiting for people?, to get the police/fbi arresting file sharers?, the first year of jail for file sharing?, the first 10 years for file sharing?, the first dead sentence for file sharing?
I just wonder where you all drew the line that if crossed will make you start doing something about it, mine was crossed years ago and while I continue purchasing music, not one cent goes into RIAA pockets.
Remember http://www.riaaradar.com
“And rightly deserved. Stealing files is a crime that costs the economy hundreds of billions every year. Think about that.”
Really? How are they grossing so much $$ when it hits theaters then? Must be fake numbers then??
OMG, the movie industry ONLY grossed $160million in the FIRST week on wolverine being released … but didn’t it PRE way earlier on the web??
Woops, must be false, right buddy?
“I’m wondering… Who was on that jury? I can understand the RIAA asking for a maximum fine (after all, that’s their purpose on earth), but the jury? What’s so wrong with people that they would even seriously consider such a harsh penalty? And they call it a fair trial :(”
More like a heavily biased trial.
no reasoned mind and neostyles you guys and your greedy buddies are the thieves. Are you proud of yourselves for ruining a helpless persons life? you guys make me sick.File sharing is not a crime think about that.
you guys(neostyles and resonated mind) never seem to get it. how can you say 2 million is a reasonable settlement evidently you have no idea how stupid you sound.
After reading this, I’m never going to purchase another CD ever again.
It’s absolutely disturbing that RIAA can abuse the system like this.
$1.92 MILLION for a few songs? How can this be real? I’ve never heard anything so ridiculous in my life.
RIAA should be ashamed of themselves. Over this nonsense, it will ruin one family’s lives forever, and they are proud of the outcome. It’s amazing that they wonder why they have such a poor image in the public eye. Honestly, it makes the RIAA look like scum of the earth, and evidently, they are.
151 Jun 19, 2009 at 17:39 by neostyles
oh sure why not legalise murder , i never liked the guy across the street from me, legalise marijuana cause drugs aren’t harmful to society,
yeah right get a clue, society is about laws, and if you break the law you deserve punishment not only for yourself but also to deter others from comming the same crime, which here is to steal artistic creations,
the jury was fair and balanced, and the amount received was deserved, she could have settled but she had to go and be a hero, and this is her reward congrats she earned it.
Dear neostyles, I want to point out one thing, laws are made BY the society FOR the society…in most cases. I recommend that you read peer viewed articles about moral growth in children, and you should apply that new knowledge to your views. You can find these articles for example on proquest.
This sentence is way way way out of order, and is on the verge of being a violation of human rights. The possibility of getting hammered with a hefty fine of 2 mills for sharing ones and zeroes is frightening. That makes me think about myself and how I use databases to find essays and other material and also how I share that with my friends, colleagues and family, if I am braking any laws etc etc etc.
I hope this woman will survive this terrible life experience. My thoughts are with her and her children.
STOP BUYING CD/DVD/BD
RIAA,MPAA = poor n00bs
Reasoned Mind: “soon we’ll lock up the rest of you and hang you from trees, you deserve it”
Are you mentally imbalanced? I’m not trying got be funny, or rude, but anyone who says such a thing really has issues, and should consider visiting a qualified psychiatrist.
Aren’t these kinds of ‘deterrent trials’ illegal in the US? I read something like that…
Here’s the list of the songs
Aerosmith: “Cryin’”
Bryan Adams: “Somebody”
Def Leppard: “Pour Some Sugar on Me”
Destiny’s Child: “Bills, Bills, Bills”
Gloria Estefan: “Here We Are”, “Coming Out of the Heart” and “Rhythm is Gonna Get You”
Goo Goo Dolls: “Iris”
Green Day: “Basket Case”
Guns N’ Roses: “Welcome to the Jungle” and “November Rain”
Janet Jackson: “Let’s What Awhile”
Journey: “Don’t Stop Believing” and “Faithfully”
Linkin Park: “One Step Closer”
No Doubt: “Bathwater”, “Hella Good” and “Different People”
Reba McEntire: “One Honest Heart”
Richard Marx: “Now and Forever”
Sara McLachlan: “Possession” and “Building a Mystery”
Sheryl Crow: “Run Baby Run”
Vanessa Williams: “Save the Best for Last”
I hope that all the jury get planted with ‘illegal’ files.
1.92million….
FFS companies with hefty fines aren’t even expected to pay this!!
But no they dodge them due to their connections to government, but of course the ordinary man/woman can’t do this.
Fucking philistines the lot of them
Let us all turn our search engines to Leviticus 6:1-6.
“Then it shall be…that he shall restore its full value, add one-fifth more to it, and give it to whomever it belongs.”
Thus she should owe $1.20 or so per song.
…and a ram for a trespass offering.
I’m not sure how a jury can justify $80,000 per song when you can buy each song online for .99 cents. If anything, she should have been charged with no more than $24.00 dollars for the 24 songs she apparently had. It’s obvious that this case is being used only as scare tactic, so for all those who are freaking out, smoke a joint and relax. Unfortunately for the RIAA, they will go bankrupt long before they can prosecute even 1% of those that are “illegally” downloading.
@neostyles
Hundreds of billions of dollars? ROFL.
At their very best, the music, movie, and game industries each make annual revenues somewhere in the neighboorhood of 10 billion dollars.
They have never, ever even come *close* to making enough revenue that they could be accused of suffering “hundreds of billions”(excuse me while I ROFL again) worth of losses.
Oh, and by the way. If you want to accuse filesharing of causing losses to the economy, then you’ll have to somehow reconcile the fact that:
A., Filesharers purchase more than the average consumer, this they contibute MORE to the economy
And B., 2008 was the most profitable year ever for the movie industry.
Although I’m sure you’ll just respond with more lies, as pathological liars are apt to do.
This is BS. Im gonna get that Anonymous IP program!! Then I will share my hard drive with pirated DVDs and every song and program I can find. I will flood the gates of Hell with shared files..Just like the Idiots that run this Country..People are getting PISSED OFF and wont take it any more.
Jammie shoul go to Miami get a new ID. and fuck em!
@b0rse
Based on that puketasticly hideous songlist they damn well should have pushed for the full $150,000/song maximum damages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqwn4Gx_fw
I agree with all of you around saying its time to stop this madness. But how do we do that? Most of the time these cases go unnoticed around, except if they are big enough to get printed INSIDE a newspaper, at page 30…. So what can we do, or what shall we do next? I really feel that its time to stop these mobs, but the point is that they still can pass laws, hurt people, and all in all do what they want without any attentions from most of the people outthere… Yes its time to do something, but WHAT??
EVERYONE!
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
That’s the tributary torrent you spoke of. The 24 songs she downloaded.
Download and seed!
Go, make this the most popular torrent ever
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
go download the songs, Torrent above, download and seed forever. Pirates united shall never be defeated!!!
fuck u RIAA
Doesn’t anyone other than us realize that $1.92M for 24 songs is COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE?
Let’s be honest, gentlemen. She lied to the jury on more than one account. The jury punished her. Do you blame them?
Yes, 1.92M is a tad excessive. And in all likelihood, the RIAA will never try to collect or will settle for a much smaller sum of money.
I’m not PRO RIAA/MPAA. I want to see both organizations burn. That being said, Jammie Thomas-Rasset is not completely innocent here.
i for one am not worried about this, if get get caught, they fine 80000 for each of the 30000 songs i have, they get nothing because thats precisely what i have. download away me hearties
Rogue –
“Let’s be honest, gentlemen. She lied to the jury on more than one account. The jury punished her. Do you blame them?”
Uhhh, did the RIAA not lie when they said that each song is worth $80,000?
I say fuck the corporative gang…I hate hollywood crap but don´t forget to download, seed and SHARE…
In my book Jammie Thomas-Rasset is nothing less than a hero. She had the balls to stand up to them.
Also I am disgusted at the fact that they are prepared to destroy the life of a mother of four. I say that because I believe she is going to be throw to prison because she wont be able to pay 2 million. Than her children are going to be put to foster homes. It is just disgusting.
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!
@47
As much as I’d like for that to work. It won’t.
They just want more and more money.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
They just want more and more money. http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
Ya see USA? that’s why the whole world hates,loathes and despises you
wow? lulz? 1.92M for some 24 songs? seriously?
riaa should be sued for extortion
Totally bullshit. RIAA can go fu*k themselves instead of doing this.
Just some random respnonses:
@4nd (9): All correct IMHO, but “filesharing is not stealing” isn’t the position the judge took when instructing the jury, and this or other variations of “I was engaging in Fair Use” are defenses Jammie could’ve used only if she admitted to making the copies, which she denied all along. Meanwhile the RIAA showed the files had probably been downloaded onto her computer, via Kazaa, with her username. The judge instructed the jury that if they found this was the case, then they must find that the copyright owners’ right to reproduction had been infringed. Similarly, they were to find the right to distribute to be infringed if Jammie had shared the files with other Kazaa users. She was to be found liable for copyright infringement in either situation. My guess is the distribution issue wasn’t decided and they found against her on the downloading alone. They weren’t required to say either way.
@r3loaded (44): The damages are ’statutory’ which means Congress wrote these amounts into tort law. These particular ones are designed to be both punitive and compensatory at the same time – the few moles they whack have to pay and set a deterring example for all the ones that got away. The jury had no choice but to pick an amount between $750 and $150,000 per song. They chose $80,000 for reasons we will never know.
@chestermolested (47): Perhaps, but she was not using a wireless network; her computer was directly connected to the Internet. The account name she uses everywhere online was used on Kazaa by someone with access to her computer, which by her own admission was either her, her kids (who she’s responsible for), or her then-boyfriend (who she refuses to blame).
@Kiwishare (87) & Kanine (120): Boycotting them wouldn’t hurt them unless a *lot* of people did it, and even then, they’d just continue to blame file-sharing for their losses.
@Art (91), how is this verdict possible? 1. This was a civil trial, not criminal, so the plaintiffs didn’t need to ‘prove’ anything beyond ‘reasonable doubt’ but rather just had to provide ‘a preponderance of evidence’ that the defendant engaged in tortious behavior, i.e. that Jammie infringed their copyrights. The only way to defend against that is to cast a LOT of doubt on that evidence, and Jammie & her lawyers only cast a smidgen. 2. Read the judge’s instructions to the jury and the special verdict form they had to fill out. They didn’t have much choice. Idiot ripping crew credits in the MP3 metadata allowed the RIAA to assert the files were downloaded, not ripped from her own CDs, and they likewise showed well enough that it was her computer which had the files. So at the very least, the jury was going to find she infringed the plaintiffs’ exclusive right to reproduction by downloading. They didn’t even have to figure out if she actually infringed the plaintiffs’ exclusive right to distribution by making-available or actually disseminating copies. The form was set up such that an infringement of either right was sufficient to find that she had infringed copyright and was therefore liable.
what RIAA has done here is alienate themselves even further from their customers. i dont know why they dont stop releasing music cds’ and dvds completely and just sue the ass off the World. they would make loads more money and have little in the way of expenses at all! i wonder how many disks they would sell in the shops at $80,000 a piece? their conduct is absolutely disgusting and disgraceful! a complete boycott of all industry cds and dvds is definitely called for, more so now than ever before!!
jammie lied, lied, then lied again and got caught red handed each time. she switched out hard drives to destroy evidence and lied about doing it. she blamed hackers. she blamed wireless leechers even though she didn’t have a wireless router. in a last ditch effort she even blamed her own kids!
she should’ve just paid the original $24 measly bucks for the songs from itunes.
but she didn’t.
and here she is.
very true.
if illegally mass distributing copyrighted works isn’t “stealing” then it is also not “sharing” by that EXACT SAME LOGIC. someone legitimately sharing a portion of something physical(food for instance) is in NO WAY synonymous with copying a intangible file where they lose exactly nothing in the process.
IN ADDITION, the newest movies, novels, and albums are not “information” nor are they are they “ideas”. they are “work”. someone had an idea and WORKED to bring it to life. they are “work”. calling them “information” is like calling something physical “atoms”, it’s completely disingenuous and is nothing more than a coded, propaganda word for freetards.
give it up idiot. the moderators on TF can see that you’re posting under their names and then calling for them to be banned. that’s why your drivel keeps getting deleted. that’s why that roze stopped posting here, he got called out on agreeing with himself too many times lol
ROFL
Extortion.
Jjejejejeje, I live in Argentina, and here there is NO law against Copyright.. jejejej here we can BUY a pirated copy on street… We will keep seeding the whole world.. FUCK RIIA you can`t touch me at my beloved pirate country.. jejejeje
I can’t believe the amount of U.S bashing in the comment section. While obviously we aren’t perfect (as you can tell from this judgment against this woman), we are by no means an evil or unjust country. So all you ignorant Europeans bashing us can go fuck yourself, you know nothing about our country. Oh and btw notice how I didn’t bash your countries because I know nothing about them, I could easily act like an ignorant fool as you all have been and stereotype your countries as well.
Fucking Ridiculus she should appeal and say the jury was bribed cause thats what it sounds like to me. i bet over half of population of americans, and europeans download music. Yet The RIAA has to try and say she caused them 1.92 millions dollars in lost profit lol stupid. They have no evidence that aleast 3 other people download the songs from here let alone enought to make fines for 1.92 million fuck come on. This only about RIAA getting money. Most Music artist could give a fuck less who downloads there songs they got millions. It just greedy old dirty fucking buisness men and lawyers that is after this shit!
@47 … LMAO GOOD IDEA
As of right now, I’m going out and teaching EVERYONE on how to use torrents. I’ll teach all my friends/family to never buy anything from the RIAA. I’ll make sure people don’t give them a penny, and *share* not steal as much as possible.
If I were Jammie, I would sell everything I have and flee the country. But before leaving the country I would smear shit all over the windows of the RIAA building and post flyers of TBP everywhere around it.
Keep in mind that the most they can do is garnish her wages if she refuses to pay. This means that the RIAA wont even get .01% of this verdict from her over the span of her life.
Not only is it unconstitutional for unfair fines but completely ridiculous.
@neostyles -
this is justice? you have yet to prove to me that you’re not an idiot. Not only did RIAA come out saying they’ve inflated the value when “figuring” out these costs to sue for but they can’t even show proof for it. Plenty of documents are on the internet showing proof that the industry is not affected by p2p. In fact, it was also proven that people that sample music buy more. READ THE INTERNET THAT’S WHAT IT’S THERE FOR!!! Knowledge is power you hippy clown and you’re proving yourself every post what an idiot you are without doing research.
This will be dismissed once it reaches an appeal court. This case is almost a decade old when KaZaa was so infamous at its time. She was sharing songs like No Doubt, Britney Spears, and the likes of pop music that was so popular back then.
Hahahah FAIL! Shoulda stuck with one trial. Srsly, FAIL.
Oh and while it was 24 cases brought against her supposedly the RIAA only used that against her instead of the original amount of over 1000 times.
are some of you seriously trying to say that these 12 power tripping jurors are a representation of all americans?
why do you tards seem to think that file sharing is not stealing? I am a file sharer i download i upload i give and i take ALL FOR FREE but at least i have the balls and the honesty to admit that downloading and file sharing is stealing I do not go and buy my music or my movies so therefore i am getting something which i have not paid for which belongs to someone else if warner brothers spend 100 million dollars to make a movie that does not give you the rights to see it for free thats like saying macdonalds made the big mac i deserve one for nothing and i should also be able to give one to all my friends for free to because sharing is caring
I AM AN INTERNET THIEF I DOWNLOAD CONTENT I DO NOT DESERVE OR OWN
all file sharers are thiefs the decent ones will admit it…..
This is a travesty of US LAW! Read the EFF analysis:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/record-labels-awarde
Support the EFF! They are the only group fighting for our privacy and online rights and could use the monetary support.
As if they are going to get a cent of that $1.92mil…
Ok then, let me just get my wallet… how much is it again?
“thats like saying macdonalds made the big mac i deserve one for nothing”
There is a huge difference between making another physical object which requires the other party to expend resources at their cost and using my own resources to transmit/receive and hold a copy of digital information.
The industry is loosing money… yes yes, last week just one band sold over 300k albums…
These bastards have too much money we can’t fight, it’s a lost war.
We’re all fucked,
p2p was just a dream,
You better return to the shops for the old cds, or they will sue even your favorite game company, or you think you can choose where you will spent you money..? Are you drunk? Sent your bucks now to the music mafia are the will sue you and you 5 yo kid.
god lord that is what should be illegal. 1.8 million for under 30$ worth of music. Really what is the point she is a single mom and didn’t have to money to buy the songs in the first place. Handing her a bill for 1.8million….her kids better have a big ass piggy bank is all i got to say. Damn kangaroo courts. I’ve always felt that damage claims in the US were outlandish here is just another example to add to the list
The ‘Jammie’ torrent is an RIAA honeypot for all willing retards
We should ALL take a moment and think about the websites and the people behind them that share the software we all download and put such a high risk on their lives..
Ah yes, America, where corporations come before the people. I’m deeply ashamed of what my country has become.
@210 Jun 19, 2009 at 22:49 by Anonymous:
When you watch TV or listen to radio you are a thief too?
Hollywood is having record profits some of its films are reaching the top 100 most profitable films of all times and you are saying that they are loosing something?
Sir you are a fool.
In todays world is better to subscribe to something then to buy a plastic disc you wanna know why?
Because to make moremoney out of it they expanded the term of copyright, created laws that say you cannot backup what is yours and you paid for and if they have their way you want be able to transmit a movie inside your own house without paying for it they even did patent the technology already to prevent DVD for playing in more then one device and systems to charge you if you stream a video inside your house.
They have a revenue stream it’s called movie theater and it was fine for a long time it survived the TV, VCR, DVDR and will survive the internet, what this people want is take absolute control and exploit its costumers till the last drop it is profit driven and that is not a bad thing what is bad is the limitless rights this people have today and it is societies fault for letting them grab all that power.
“The ‘Jammie’ torrent is an RIAA honeypot for all willing retards”
No, it’s a sign of protest against the RIAA and the unfair punishment she got.
I can assure you that there was some money being handed under the table to the jury, or some form of brainwashing.
Copyright is a tool to inactivate creation not welfare or a plan to get paid it was not intended to do such a thing, people abused the goodwill of society and because of greed proclamed themselves owners of what should no one nowhere will be able to assert ownership ever, imaginary products are not physical products.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
Best Album Ever.
You know, it doesn’t matter what brainless trolls like neostyles and (un)reasoned mind say, nothing is going to change most peoples’ opinions or stop them from using BitTorrent or any other form of file sharing.
They might as well be talking to themselves.
And I’m going to torrent the hell out of that tribute to Jammie Thomas, in spite of them and other MAFIAA shills.
Besides, what is the purpose of their continued trolling of a pro-p2p blog other than to start a flame war?
If it’s to change readers’ minds about file sharing, well that’s EPIC FAIL!
Do wen eed anymore evidence to say: The USA is fucked as a country and should just gtfo
Only in america…
Great law system u have there. I’m so glad that i’m living in europe =)
“why do you tards seem to think that file sharing is not stealing?”
Listen up, dipshit. Here’s a clue for you.
Stealing is when you take a piece of property away from somebody. Hence, stealing. Are you following me so far?
Filesharing is when you create a copy of a piece of property. When I download a copy of the Beatles’ White Album, nobody, anywhere, suddenly has their White Album LP or CD magically taken away from them and put into my hands.
See how that works?
Filesharing isn’t stealing because it lacks, you know, the whole STEALING part. Strange but true!
Bliss is ignorance, since I can`t bring my feelings to words.
Damn.
Stupid ass jury. The fines are absolutely disproportionate considering how much damage she MAY have caused.
I mean, how many times could she even possibly have uploaded songs? Supposedly she didn’t even have a fast Internet connection at that time.
to knotwurrid
you forget that us americans hate, despise, and loathe ourselves even more then the rest of the world combined. I think that it states to America’s wealth that a judge thought that a single mother could afford more that halve the worlds nations aquire in a year a fine of that size.
Even if it is there is no law in japan, canada and spain that says it is illegal LoL
ps: maybe in canada because the levy they pay is a statutory(meaning is meant to pay damages and not for the privilege). But Canadian law enforcement is not willing to divert funds to go track “internet pirates” when they have real crimes being commited LoL
An industry that sue a 10 year old child is a very honest to God institution.
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/03/riaa-insists-on-deposing-tanya.html
- 12 year old Brianna LaHara
- 13 year old Brittany Chan
That really sucks! How are these people getting away with imposing such ridicules amounts. that’s more than most artist get for live performances. Something has to be done about this mis-justice. How do people get caught anyways? IS it the ISP that throw’s people under the bus?
One word: Disgusting.
@174:
Now gee. I wonder how many of those artists actually WANTED her to get sued for sharing their works. Even better, I wonder how many of those artists the RIAA bothered to contact first and ask if they wanted to press charges. After all, it’s THEIR MUSIC.
Whoever calls this justice is insane. If people fine someone like this, they shouldn’t have the right to be in such a position.
@238 Jun 20, 2009 at 02:00 by djnforce9:
Does who don’t protest agree LoL
So we can assume that none of those artists disagree with what is being done in their names.
Don’t by nothing from those people anymore.
Actually, it’s not. The artists hand over their copyrights when they sign on with the labels.
they want to make an example out of her to scare other file-sharers to stop, which is a form of terrorism. isnt what al-queda did sort of the same thing, using scare tactics and intimidation against their enemies to try to change their actions?
Re-shame on all those artist, they are the RIAA! If those artist let this woman go to prison they really are the worse.
It’s not about copyright, it’s all about fear, that poor Jammie Rasset is going to suffer so you are scare.
This is violence, this is the crime.
What a load of FAGS! They should’ve fines a billion peanuts instead, would’be been much easier to shove it up their own fucked up Asses!!
you net nubs. its called wage garnishment. fed law says no more than 25% of your income after taxes. not prison.
basically, susie homemaker is going to be paying her fine, slowly but surely, for-ev-er
In a third-world country like us, laws protecting copyright is actually quite weak and hardly matters, because we have bigger problems like hunger, poverty, separatist movements, one of the longest communist insurgencies, corruption in the government, worsening floods, ballooning population…
Dear RIAA and their lawyers. The day you try to sue me for that amount of money, is the day you will have to prepare to meet your maker. I would hunt you down and take you all out one by one. Mark my words.
Hey. why is it America allow a terrorist organisation like RIAA exist?
AMERICA = TERRORISM
1.92 Million?
what’s hilarious is that i pirate this whole site by using adblock plus, that’s really funny coz you know tf is baiting these massive flamewars so as to boost the ads, adblock plus makes me feel warm and piratey, btw neostyles swallow of ALLL of it, PLZZZZ IT TINGLES
I feel sorry for Americans. The justice system is now pay for your own results. Disgusting the way the system works in the US. I thought Obama was going to make America a better place. In all honesty, i’d chose China over the US to live in.
America is a sick nation
While the rest of the world fights TERRORISM, America supports it! FUCK YOU RIAA. The rest of the world will not bow down to terrorists!
If it was up to me, she would still be sued, but only for something around $10,000 – $15,000. As far as I know, she was using Kazaa and that accounts for a tiny portion of piracy. The reason why is you only download individual songs (as opposed to entire albums or discographies), and there is no community oversite, so you end up with a lot of fake songs (end result : looses it’s value as a piracy platform.) The entertainment industry should remain focused on release groups, torrents, and taking down bootleggers.
So, no, I don’t think this did anything for anti piracy. Kazaa is completely decentralized and yet it is a tiny part of piracy. It’s just not worth it. They can take care of it AFTER they deal with other, bigger piracy things.
The way I see, it, through Kazaa, you are simply exchanging a few songs (not that this is okay, but it is really, really minor in the grand scale of things) as opposed to dealing the recording industry massive losses.
I agree with what the RIAA is doing, just not how they are doing it. In the end, they only manage to show anti piracy (a good thing) in a negative light. I don’t think they are intentionally trying to bully people (they’re not that immature), I just don’t think they understand the scene that they are trying to dismantle.
Each song probably costs a few hundred to produce and then you have retail price. That should be the basis for the fine, not an arbitrary number. Most of that money should go to the artist.
The only thing that should carry a fine anywhere near this is a game or a movie…
if you can’t do the time/pay the fine – then don’t do the crime.
@117 On average they give less than 1 copy each away (not 2)
Say I start seeding a song and one million people download it.
bytes emitted = bytes received
bytes received = one million copies of the song
computers involved = 1,000,001 (downloaders and uploader)
so
bytes emitted per computer = 1,000,000 / 1,000,001 copies of the song
That is less of one copy of the song on average.
Calling it distribution is just a delusion
257 Jun 20, 2009 at 05:13 by annoyance
zzzzzz
dumb bitch shoulda settled
I bet those 24 craps songs would not sell beyond $10000
I am officially done with the entertainment industry. This is unbelievable. I will do my best to never buy another movie, audio cd, or software/game for as long as I live. Hell, I just started becoming a warez uploader just recently. I guess I should go make a TPB account now and start sharing via p2p.
Burn in Hell MAFIAA.
As much as I think this fine is overkill, I think it’s very interesting to note how much publicity these things gain and how deeply they resound with everyone. They are seen calls of action and they conjure up romantic images of lone rebels fighting evil corporations in a digital world. Yet when hollywood talk about the billions that it’s lost no one gives a toss and everyone is like “tough luck.”
@260 I think that she is going to fight this. I would do the same. I would not pay any one a single cent. They would have to put me in jail…you get the point. I would fight every step of the way. It would be hell like you have not seen before.
She will never pay.
Thank good Minnesota is a blue state, with a lot of Sympathetic judges… just appeal a “states’ right issue here…
I believe even in CIVIL court (which her offenses are NOT Criminal hence… no Jail time/Felony etc) -> most of you idiots don’t understand the difference you Euro trash…
She will never pay, obviously. You idiots are not familiar with the laws, and you sheeple just follow the Corporatist Media hook line and sinker. This is how it goes my foes: She will appeal, appeal, and appeal (well her Lawyers will, not her, herself, being an idiot who used Kazaa in the first place). In Minnesota, there is creditor/debtor protection statuses in the State Constitution, IE LAW that matters here. They cannot seize her assets, they cannot levee her bank-account, because Minnesota is a freak’n progressive state! Yes, the St. Cloud area and further north is probably where the Jury came from… YEEE HAWWWW lets buy us some Cd’s from the WALMART!
So… this case is really a PR stunt on behave of the alliance of the corporate Media, which, as you all know by know two main media companies who own all content, thus represent the interests of the MPAA, RIAA… SOOOOO its in the their best interest to Hype this story with newspeak :D
What you don’t know, is that the “unjust/unreasonable/cruel/unusual punishments statue” will never allow, a Minneostan, to undergo such a unreasonable CIVIL ruling! So the RIAA is full of SHIT when they think she will pay, but you are all full of SHIT if you think the court will just allow this to happen. Lets move on to the next Media sensation please…
Thank you
Whats the list of songs? I’m gonna make a cd, copy it about a 1000 times and distribute across my school…
:)
If you were an artist, you wouldn’t accept the people to download your songs for free. All of us have the chance to listen to music, watching movies, etc thanks to these artists. And if everybody would download songs and movies for free, artists would simply dissapear. You should be ashamed. And therefore, it’s normal that hard fines have to be paid sometimes.
(to Sol1d) : this is really a comment by somenone immature as you are. Those artists have nothing to do with that trial result.
it’s my human right to download whatever movies or songs or books or whatever i want. I should’nt have to pay for it if i don’t want to.
FUCK DA RIAA
This is all part of the game, just one step in a multi-tiered process. Nobody is going to be able to force her to pay anything. The long tradition of English Common Law is alive and well in many countries in the world and is (as far as I am concerned) among the best in the world (Ireland, my homeland also FTW! as one poster mentioned). Being “fined” an amount and actually “paying” said amount are two different things. She will appeal and/or the fines can still be ruled unconstitutional (and have been in the past). Calm down on the US bashing mates, Bush is gone.
FUCK YOU RIAA
Burn in Hell MAFIAA
Maybe this will wake up Americans as to WHO IS REALLY RUNNING THEIR COUNTRY.
It is CORPORATIONS, not the people.
Lord, you people don’t even have free healthcare and universities and now they’re nailing you for a few lousy songs…
Wake up! America is NOT a democracy! Or is this decision the peoples will?
By-by US of america, your are falling, is finish for you, your are so stupid.
Make your War alone… Thank for all.
OMG, so funny, so sad…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcP3V9bgUoI
“Emily of the State” a Canadian parody about the government snooping on citizens online.
This is the ultimate nightmare that we all most struggle against.
@267
Artists will never disappear and the simple reason is because people are greedy and would never stop trying to make (too much) money by making music
Sad.
Don’t blame the justice/political system, because that’s just a tool the multinational companies use to tell people what they have to do.
Madison’s, one of the founders and the 4th president, had a theory about usa : the state had to protect the rich against the poor, otherwise there would be redistribution of wealth in a fairer way.
American people must open their eyes, then things will change.
This is beyond the riaa. This is a war of all big companies against the people. In every country.
If copyright didn’t exist the only artists that would disappear is the greedy ones LoL
Those that are in for the money.
If copyright didn’t exist eating in a restaurant would be $5 more cheap.
If copyright didn’t exist the government wouldn’t have where to hide and would have to show their real intentions with all this legislation.
The artist that don’t voice their opinions about are silent partners for the MAFIAA this people create an insane world and now want to cry wolf the sad thing about it is this little imaginary world is crumbling down on them and they think is the fault of others what kind of intelligent person would put his or hers financial security in invisible assets? The same kind that bought bundles of security packages based on the word of analyst from the financial sector?
@277 Jun 20, 2009 at 14:26 by @all:
Oh! I do blame the political and justice sector, they are responsible too, governments everywhere want their control over the people back they are not enacting laws to defend children they are enacting laws to defend their own interests.
It’s not about law and order is about control and obedience.
$150,000 per song? WTF? Cost of 10.000 CDs per one song? I just can’t express how fucked up it is.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/Songs_the_RIAA_can_go_fuck_themselves_to
278–>If copyright didn’t exist the only artists that would disappear is the greedy ones LoL
Those that are in for the money.
If copyright didn’t exist eating in a restaurant would be $5 more cheap.
If copyright didn’t exist the government wouldn’t have where to hide and would have to show their real intentions with all this legislation.
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You forgot to mention something very important, my friend… :-)
If copyright didn’t exist the medicines would cost a fraction of their price.
@280 Jun 20, 2009 at 16:06 by Kanine:
Medicine is patented not copyrighted.
281–>Medicine is patented not copyrighted.
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It’s the same thing but with another name, imbecile.
The patent laws work exactly equal as copyright laws, or maybe;
Didn’t you know about of the farce called “intellectual property”?
Mavis Roy
http://techdirt.com/articles/20090619/1255415291.shtml
Woman Who Owned No Computer, But Got Sued By The RIAA, ‘Settles’
What a shame that one had a very good chance to get damages paid for her troubles LoL
282 Jun 20, 2009 at 16:43 by Kanine:
Dumbass it’s not the same in any stretch off the imagination go read about patents and copyright, there are fundamental differences in the two form.
Patents only protect physical forms of an idea so you have to patent every possible way something can be done to “secure” your invention for one is very different from copyright that protects everything including derivative works after it has been “fixed”(put in physical form.
And that it’s just one of the differences you moron.
Not to say that patents don’t need to change too but they are much, much more less vile then copyright.
Do not lump copyright, patents and trademarks in the same basket they are different entities describing different things.
You are all n00bs
Maybe these law makers should try something more practical, the fine should be standardized – maybe 7 times the retail price or something like that, it is practical and would definitely make an uploader think 2wice before he uploads again…
“The average settlement in related RIAA cases is around $3000, which is peanuts considering this recent verdict.”
No because many people can pay 3000 and lose 3000. However almost nobody can pay 220,000 or 2 million or more.
My advice is that if they bother you tell them to go and fuck themselves. They will most likly go away since they did dso in 99.999% of the cases. Why? What are they going to do? Sue you for million?
They can not rigg all the trial. It will cost too much and the criminal legal risk is too great. In the jammie trial judge and juries must be iunvestigated in both cases.
If they sue you and if you lose Just BK chapter 7 and they got zippppppp! after having spend a fortune in corruption money to rigg the trial and in attorney fee.
BK is worth it in this case even istead of paying $3K! Trust me! You can get ride of your unsecure debt and mitigate down your secured one in the process.
How do we know the trail was rigged?
It is not possible for a popular jury to return this type of verdique (twice!) and especially so fast! They should have been at least some dissensions.
Another crime has just been comitted by these parasites and the judge is most likly an accomplice.
They will be some very serious consequences.
284–>Not to say that patents don’t need to change too but they are much, much more less vile then copyright.
Do not lump copyright, patents and trademarks in the same basket they are different entities describing different things.
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Really?
Here the only moron, ignorant and dumbass is your person… and I can
clearly see that my words affected a lot to you; maybe you are one of
many son of bit.ches speculators that do a fortune with the vital needs of the people.
You asshole, I want to know as the patent laws are not more vile than
copyright laws. Any person who needs medicine and healtcare know very well that the medicines are so excessively high in price that in many cases are impossible to afford as consequence of speculators as you. Many people die as consequence of medicines that can’t afford, this is a fact; and all this as consequence of patent laws which protect the monopolies of people as you, but for the speculators from pharmaceuticals laboratories are a lot more important the profits than the people, and all we know this.
You don’t deceive me. Any person that defends with all passion these
unjust laws is because he/she is making money with this, without cares about the bad consequences for the majority.
Maybe, there exist small and subtle technical differences between both
laws, but the results are exactly the same, at least in terms of harm to the humanity.
You see, a mother was unjustly punished (for sharing 24 songs) with almost 2 million dollars, as consequence of copyright laws; and many people die each day because they can’t afford medicines as consequence of excessive high prices inflated by pharmaceuticals laboratories protected by patent laws, that is a fact.
As in this case; are patent laws less vile than copyright laws?
The copyright terrorists are low on money obviously just like Elquada. Before they were able to hire a dozen trolls into a forum such as this one
but now they can afford only one: Reasoned Mind=neostyles who try to pathetically look like two.
Reasoned Mind-neostyles You are a lazy troll because you should be able to look like ten at least. May be they don’t pay you too good.
But i guees it is like with Elquada; they have martyrs but they no longer have the money to pay for the explosifs.
Oh that’s soooo saaaaaad!
Also I agree with the republicans. We must keep Guatanamo open otherwise what are we going to do with all these copyright terrorists?
Question: Are there any pirate party’s in the US at all?
“Yet when hollywood talk about the billions that it’s lost no one gives a toss”
That’s because when Hollywood claims that it’s losing billions of dollars to filesharing, Hollywood is lying through its teeth.
Apparently I have to remind you once again that 2008 was Hollywood’s most profitable year ever.
no it is not.
you are an idiot.
@292 Jun 20, 2009 at 17:37 by Kanine:
Got angry did you now?
LoL
Obviously you are mentally incapable of understanding what you read.
You moron if patents were equal to copyright nobody no where would ever be capable of producing anything and in this sense copyright is worth than patents, now nobody said anywhere that patents were good you stupid f***.
@Kanine:
Don’t like to be called a moron or any other name?
Don’t dish it out to other than.
Respect others and strive to be civil and other will treat you with respect otherwise I make no apologies for being rude to you.
THIS IS PLAIN I N J U S T I C E !!!
W E CAN S T O P THIS!!!!!
@296
Why not?
First off, the jury was not “paid off” you dumb asses!
Second, I wish any of you talentless morons would JUST BY CHANCE, write a book, create a song and then, attempt to sell it online or anywhere else. I would pirate the hell out of it and then laugh in your face when you complain!! LOL!!
You sorry asses seem to think that music IS A RIGHT! Well, I am here to tell you that it is a LUXURY! This bitch doesn’t have the right to steal and then complain about it when she gets caught! I hope they string her up for good…..and put her ugly ass on birth control! LMAO!!
RoC is obviously a butthurt republican
@Major
You are not too smart are you!
What can the RIAA do? Uh, they can LIEN ANY of her property. That’s what they can do.
But that’s alright. The bitch did something wrong, so let’s defend her. You are a pathetic piece of crap Major F/UP!
@RoC
Maybe when you present some rational arguments without resorting to excessive exclamation points and swearing, not to mention personal attacks, people will listen to you. Until then, kindly shut up.
Pirate Party US. Have fun.
It’s cheaper to go into a store and steal the damn physical CDs than to ‘pirate’ anything online. Only difference is that stealing from stores removes the original copy instead of duplicating it.
No it’s not, you self centered idiot.
How does everyone else do the cool quotes in responses? :(
@308, Anonymous
Write your post like this:
Quoted text here
With the spaces removed from inside the because I don’t know how to show it otherwise.
That gives:
Quoted text here
Also, @neostyles
No it’s not, you self centered idiot.
What have we told you about using personal attacks?
Shoot, it didn’t work.
blockquotes tags enclosed in… oh, hell, someone else please explain it better than I can.
Man what is the RIAA trying to pull? As a US citizen it’s outright embrassing to have to witness so-called instances of justice that aren’t really all that just. $1.92 Million? Are they serious? And fuck that jury I don’t know how they could ever even consider that an illegally downloaded song is worth $80k, please I want to hear the reasoning behind this outrageous number… People these days. As somebody pointed out earlier copying is a way of life, it’s how we progress as a society – couldn’t have said it any better friend. I wish Jammie well.
PS: Kazaa? Reeally? Cabos FTW!
the fuck is wrong with these people? how the hell does someone in their right mind justify that the fine is worth that?
If I got this verdict, I would start bombing fuckers related to this and then commit suicide making sure public new the reasons to my actions. Whats the world comming to? Why even live if tis is acceptable. So fuck with me you rotten bastards, I just dont care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last post probably wont make due to moderation. So here is another cleaner version.
I would start going balistic, mass killing spree against people who did this to me then commit suicide making it publicly known why I did this. If this is acceptable under the law, I honostly don’t want to live in this world. I’m downloading songs and movies you F*ers, I don’t care. Come after me, I DON”T CARE!!!
Does this type of quoting work?
[quote]Quote here[/quote]
Or it doesn’t?
oh so would this work?
would it?
For those finding it hard to quote, just type the quoted portion here
I’m not sure if putting the p tag is needed or not…remove the * from the tags though, of course.
nooooo it’s been edited out. basically you have to use the blockquote tag, and MAYBE the paragraph (p) tag too…
how low can these sickeningly greedy people sink?
@264 Jun 20, 2009 at 07:00 by neostyles
Yeah, my heart fucking bleeds for hollywood. Bring on the violins.. The difference here is, there can be no lies about how much she is out of pocket.. 1.9 million dollars and that’s now written in stone. On the other hand, the billions that hollywood claim to have lost is nothing but a pack of lies in order to gain sympathy from governments and courts, who incidentally, are as bent as fuck.
Still, that’s now 1.9 million that hollywood will have to subtract from their ficticious `losses’.
From themoneytimes,
Among the songs that Thomas-Rasset allegedly pilfered are Guns N’ Roses’ “Welcome to the Jungle” and “November Rain,” Janet Jackson’s “Let’s Wait Awhile,” Gloria Estefan’s “Rhythm Is Gonna Get You,” the Goo Goo Dolls’ “Iris,” Journey’s “Faithfully” and “Don’t Stop Believing,” Sarah McLachlan’s “Building a Mystery,” Aerosmith’s “Cryin’,” Linkin Park’s “One Step Closer,” Def Leppard’s “Pour Some Sugar on Me,” No Doubt’s “Bathwater” and “Hella Good,” and Destiny’s Child’s “Bills, Bills, Bills”.
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@320 She can still appeal as the last one was found screwed up thanks to the jury.
She’s a hero.
JUSTICE FOR JAMMIE!!!
She’s an American political martyr!!!
Come to Europe, Jammie!
Proves that money and justice is the same thing in the USA
The RIAA just had better lawyers than Jammie…
What can I say ? The world is run by greedy corporations, corrupt leaders, lawyers, judges and nitwit jurors.
Well its officially final. There will NEVER be a movie or CD bought in this household again. ALready talked it over with wife and children. We will just borrow other peoples or whatever. Or rent and hand it around to neihgbors. Have movie parties and things like that. Hell, will make for better social life anyhow. SO bye bye RIAA. You will no longer see our money.
They put a decent women in parrel. NOw the government has to pay for food stamps and housing for this lady. You would think that the government should be pissed.
RIAA must need the money cos of the loss revenue, from yrs of trying to shut down p2p,,, get rid of there CEO’s cos they sure ain’t worth shyte or is it they need it to pay there bonuses?
Don’t these ppl have no shame? shes a single mother for fuck sake! fucking companies only thinking of profit!
American ‘justice’ is a bad joke. Two million for 24 songs? LOL at USA.
Musicians are scum. Death to all RIAA-represented scumbags!
The RIAA are totally insane.
However, to answer the question regading how they come up with the cost of 1 song = $80,000, i’ve heard in other cases they work out how many people were supposedly final recipents of the song initially being uploaded. If it’s 80,000 people then the song is worth $80,000. In this case they probably pulled the number out of their bottoms but that’s they calculation they probably put forward to the Jury.
The Law is supposed to treat each case equally not make a ridiculous example of one particular case of many.. Everyone knows that Jammie can’t pay $1.92 million so why fine her that much.
She should sue for being made the one out of many to be made an example of rather than being treated equally by the law.
….it only works if you believe in it…
What about all the people that downloaded her stuff?
It just ridiculous everyone does it.
ok, where do i start? the verdict is retarded, the jury was obviously being pressured (in other words, PAID) into this stupid settlement…the riaa thinks piracy is something new? come on ,pull yer heads outta yer asses, its no different than years ago when we used to record music onto blank cassettes, or whats the difference between p2p and when we used to buy a CD or record and lend it to your friends so they could make their own copies of it? or what about every time the riaa changed the format (vinyl, tapes, cd’s, etc) and we would be forced to buy the same album over and over, hence we were paying 2, 3 times for the same music…or how about when we bought an album and there was only a couple of songs that you liked, so you had to pay for the whole album just to get those couple of songs, what a ripoff that was, but i didnt see the riaa care about us then, so why should we give a fuck about them now? fuck em all, keep sharing everybody, if they start suing their own “customers” everybody should just stop buying music, movies, etc and fuck em over that way, the riaa can go fuck themselves
this is fucking bullshit!! the RIAA are a bunch of rich greedy bastards.. they are destroying peoples lives becuause of their greed! this is the end of the music industry as we know it!
At least i herd she seeded well..
IF she can’t pay these fines, they can put here away for life? Or not?
Imagine, serving a life sentence for file-sharing, when killers and rapists get something from 5-20 years, not all killers though…
The award was way overboard. I sure hope these idiot jurors get a taste of their own compassion one day. A few hundred dollars and court cost at most should have been the punishment. MAYBE, and I stress the maybe, baby, some jail time.
Secondly, piracy hurts people the same way you not getting a pay check for working hurts you. Sure, nothing tangible was taken … but that is also true when you don’t get paid.
This is the kind of scare tactic I love.
They should do this to all pirates!
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