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14-24 Year Olds Pirate 8,000 Music Tracks Each

New research carried out by the University of Hertfordshire reveals some shocking and some surprising statistics. The survey, carried out on behalf of UK Music, reveals that 61% of 14 to 24 year-olds use file-sharing networks, with each amassing an average of 8,000 tracks on their computers.

UK MusicUK Music is an umbrella organization representing the interests of various elements of the UK music industry, from artists through to record labels, publishers, producers and collecting societies and counts the BPI among its members.

A new study carried out by the University of Hertfordshire for UK Music reveals some interesting statistics – and some surprising ones.

Of those questioned in the 14 to 24 year old bracket, it was revealed that on average they have amassed music collections on their computers which exceed 8,100 tracks, an amount that most people could never afford. Little wonder that 68% of respondents said that they use their computers every day to listen to music.

From the 1,808 people surveyed, 61% admitted to downloading music using P2P networks including BitTorrent with 83% of these admitted doing so on a weekly or daily basis. A significant 86% admitted that they had copied CDs for their friends.

While many admitted uploading using P2P, other methods of sharing were also utilized – 75% admitted to sending music by email, instant messaging services or Bluetooth.

Of those who admitted using P2P to obtain music, 85% said they would welcome an “all you can eat” download service for a fixed monthly fee, but just 57% said that access to such a service would stop them from illegally sharing files.

In recent months, streaming services such as Spotify have been touted as a possible weapon to combat illicit sharing. However, of those surveyed for this report, 78% said they had no interest in paying for such a service, while 89% said they would prefer to own music, rather than stream it.

More than half of those surveyed said that companies that manufacture digital music players and mobile phones should pay fees to artists to compensate them from losses due to copies made on their devices.

UK Music CEO, Feargal Sharkey commented: “Clearly, the shape of our entire business will continue to evolve. However, we will achieve nothing if we do not work with music fans, and young music fans in particular. They are hugely demanding in their needs, but collectively we must rise to that challenge. We ignore engagement at our peril. That message is loud and clear.”

Strangely, in this world of 8,000 track hard drive music collections and the rampant uptake of digital music players, 77% of those surveyed said they would carry on buying physical CD albums even if they were subscribing to an “all you can eat” download service.

Getting paid twice for the same music, digital and physical? Sounds like a model the music business can get excited over, although in reality no-one else will. We’ve all been down that route before with the industry, one way or another.

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  • anon

    Finally a survey that makes some sense. First.

  • fiftyone.area

    Everyone pirates.

  • Jordan

    I never download music anymore since I found Hype Machine.

  • Anonymous

    I discovered several artists that I like through piracy. Bought a few CDs as well. IMHO, piracy actually helps cd sales.

  • Sendaii

    UK Music CEO, Feargal Sharkey commented: “Clearly, the shape of our entire business will continue to evolve. However, we will achieve nothing if we do not work with music fans, and young music fans in particular. They are hugely demanding in their needs, but collectively we must rise to that challenge. We ignore engagement at our peril. That message is loud and clear.”

    Finally, someone in the music industry has opened their eyes, even if it is a bit late.

  • iDownload

    @4

    exactly. sure, there are people that refuse to pay for music, and havent bought any form of media in the past few years. i use downloading as a way to see if i like a band my friend told me about, or check out a cheap camjob of a mixed review movie. if i like them, i go out and buy the CD / tickets / DVD. getting rid of piracy (lol, it will NEVER happen) will hurt the industry beyond its wildest nightmares.

  • Dan

    Unfortunately though, I can’t see them actually making any changes, it’s probably just more profitable to them to continue fining everyone extreme amounts, as well as getting money from the sales they do still make… A new business model and everything would be great, but I can’t see it happening when they can fine individuals millions for file sharing as it is.

  • Anonymous

    Only 8000? Weaklings.

  • Anonymous

    excellent

  • Sendaii

    @8: I don’t see the point in hoarding music. I don’t even listen to half of the stuff that I have downloaded, and I only have about 2000 tracks, if that.

  • RaVeY

    @10 Because my gf won’t let me hoard real stuff and throws out anything I try to collect. Digital media doesn’t take up any physical space so she’s fine with it :)

  • double digits

    yeah true that RaVeY.

  • Anon

    I wouldn’t have found two genres of music I listen to and purchase in great quantites today without piracy.

    Piracy allows users to test the water of each genre and to decide whether or not one should support the artist/producer.

    Long gone are the days where I would buy an album because Id hear 1 track and find the rest were fillers/shite.

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  • Øystein B. Jakobsen

    I was most excited over a Music CEO that was not just toting the “theyre stealing our stuff” line, but said “we need to listen to our customer and sell them what they want”… although obvious to any other business other than the Copyright business, it is refreshing to hear someone say it here!

    I recommend free music sites such as Jamendo

  • RIAA

    the future is a tracker run by the record companies, with a pay to leech system and a ratio system if you cant pay

  • AC/DC Lover

    I’m 14, I’ve purchased most of my Albums on CD’s. Itunes sucks you don’t get anything with your money. I have 2573 songs

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  • Anonymous

    near 15,000 music files here, a fair few of which are livesets, not just individual tracks. Listened to a majority of it. I’d believe 8,000 to be average, honestly. And there’s no way i’d ever /buy/ anywhere near that much music myself, no one would. Refreshing to hear them say they need to actually meet the consumers needs.

  • MeHere

    @RaVeY

    Swap girlfriend now!

  • mustangx

    what will this do the the theory 1 download equals 1 lost sale i wonder lol. How many 14 year olds can afford to pay for 8000 songs ? matter of fact in this economy how many 24 year olds can ? They need to wake up and a study like this just may help.

  • josh

    I buy my DVDs/CDs if I feel they are priced reasonably and have the money at the time.

    I currently have about 21,000 songs stored. As if I would actually buy that many CDs anyway!

  • Anonymous

    How do you buy something that:

    - Don’t let you lend, copy or modify it without consent.

    It doesn’t sound like a “buying” type of thing more like “renting” LoL

    Besides the music industry already told in a conference to whom would hear that the industry has no obligation to maintain servers for DRMed material for ever all things pass and so do the right to the songs you pay. You listen to them for just some time and then they expect you to rent…oops!…buy again LoL

    So seriously people are better off not renting if you rent it them you have to play by their rules and you legitimate their claims that they have all the rights and you costumer have none.

  • Anonymous

    17 Aug 10, 2009 at 13:55 by MeHere

    @RaVeY

    Swap girlfriend now!

    I concur, swap you gf now for a better one or be miserable LoL

  • lverona

    I don’t buy cds because they are expensive and can fail at any time. A file is a more stable thing. I have bought a licensed Disney dvd, watched it once, then decided to watch it again in a year and it stopped in the middle of the movie and then refused to be played at all. That really was the last time I spent money on a dvd. Not only it takes space, it’s also too unreliable.

    As for this quote:

    “companies that manufacture digital music players and mobile phones should pay fees to artists to compensate them from losses due to copies made on their devices.”

    this is bullshit. It is a very flawed economical model which will make the prices on such devices fly twice at least – for no good reason.

  • BioShockerT81

    Just another sad example of how dangerous a criminal behavior can be when it becomes socially tolerated. That’s more than 60% of the young generation who is growing up having absolutely no regard for things such accountability and rule of law. Sad thing indeed.

  • Reasoned Mind

    It just goes to show how many files are out there.. let them take down bit torrent completely if they could manage it.. the files will always be shared one way or another.

    Its funny though how ‘rare’ files can become almost like metals in the real world, as the market changes the metals (like gold) become more valuable.. so do files as sites are closing and P2P is changing.

  • Anonymous

    What happened to the other study that found out that P2P was declining and the majority of the population didn’t do any piracy and was all the result of legal options on the market?

  • h33t

    significantly “8,100 tracks, an amount that most people could never afford” says it all

    we use filesharing networks in a way we never used bricks and mortar retail stores (arguably also applies to digital retail stores too). filesharing networks have enabled new market behaviour that is inherently economic and adds value to the market equity of the artist. without filesharing the majority of artists would be poorer because they would never get seen nor heard, their market equity is a function of their presence on consumer’s equipment

    we have been saying this for years. Feargal Sharkey please take note! the filesharing networks may involve an element of cannibalism of retail sales but fact remains people who share do also buy and the sum total of economic activity is greater with filesharing included in the equation. the complaint against the media cartel for being slow to embrace digital technologies and provide services to equal filesharing is a direct result of the industry fear of cannibalism of sales based on a profound blindness of the opportunities that digital media present for the creation of new market equity

    the stupid phrase “if nobody pays for content then how do artists get paid and how does anything get made?” is ultimately the dead weight about the cartel knecks which is killing them. we are spending more today per capita head on media content and hardware than at any time in history. the money is coming in faster and in greater amounts than at any other time since the media market was created

    filesharing is a direct result of the monopoly environment created by media cartels. the need for free sharing was inadvertently created by the cartels because they failed to provide the market functions that filesharing has satisfied

    take filesharing away by unnatural force e.g. restrictive market practices, and not only will the media cartels alienate their consumers but it will directly cause the rise of greater economic forces which they will have to combat ie. artists will choose alternative licensing like creative commons to get their content into the market arena that filesharing is now serving

    war is not the answer and i am strongly of the opinion that try as they might there is no possibility that the filesharing networks will be eliminated. everything points to ever more complex technology that can guarantee privacy of data comms and sharing. perversely, it is the media cartel that is driving the development and adding fuel to the need for privacy systems which enable consumers to transact in complete anonymity, because it is the anti-market behaviour of the media cartel that is creating all the needs

    http://www.h33t.com a destructive technology creating new greater markets

  • Anonymous

    @22 Aug 10, 2009 at 14:10 by BioShockerT81:

    It is just sad when a group of people have no talent and have no recourse but to threat other into doing what they want LoL

  • Ghostofchris

    Its quicker to download songs these days. I have about 4000 songs =[

  • Quasimodo

    The problem is, the music INDUSTRY still demands payment for its PRODUCT as if each track was hand made (manufactured) by a REAL artist.

    We all know, the cost of copying a track is almost non-existent and out of 1000 so called music artists only 1 is a REAL artist.
    From the rest some are more or less talented craftsmen, the majority factory workers putting together one mass product after the other.

    When you think about it, 8000 tracks aren’t that much after all.

    You could get this amount without much effort in a couple of days or weeks.

    So what is the REAL value of a average quality mass production music track ?

    Definately no more than maybe 5 ct.

    The usual label enslaved music handyman doesn’t get much more anyway …

  • lverona

    I think the argument that people will still buy cds is superficial and assumes that our freedom is not as important as some record company’s profits. But we shouldn’t care whether they make money or loose money. Our freedom means much more than that. Even if they do loose money, file sharing should be free and considered a 100% legal. Calling people who share files “criminals” and “pirates” is unethical and we should not do this even in the scope of this site. Using a torrent is not being a criminal. Today it’s much worst to actually buy cds and power record labels and publishers to sue normal regular people who simply use the technology available.

  • 16K OLDFAG

    Average of 8,100 filez? Kids, you make me proud! *wipes away tears*

  • all you can eat

    So listening to music 16h a day every day and you would be busy for three years. Some of the stuff must be out of fashion before you are done. This is just some kind of collector mentality. Streaming is going to change this and you might just as well charge a flat fee like for cable since you can only consume so much anyways.

  • Frak

    Why does this result is “shocking and surprising” ?

    It’s so easy to download now, and what does our society offer to people especially the young ones ? Entertainment : music, movies, games.

    Then 8000 tracks of 3min it’s not more than 400 hours total. It’s nothing.
    I have personally more than 8000 tracks on my computer, and I don’t think it’s very important.

    I’m very happy to discover new artists and share them with my friends. These friends do the same and some of them buy the albums, go to concert like I do.

  • BioShockerT81

    @27 Aug 10, 2009 at 14:32 by lverona

    “I think the argument that people will still buy cds is superficial and assumes that our freedom is not as important as some record company’s profits. But we shouldn’t care whether they make money or loose money.”

    You do should care if they make money or not because that will mean whether they’ll keep on producing music or not. If they are loosing money, then they’ll just stop doing their business, ie music. Then sure you will have total freedom to share the same tracks over and over again. Those will be the only things left to share after all.

    This kind of mentality shows exactly how damaging and ultimately self-serving the pirates’ mentality really is. They destroy the economy and damage society as a whole, all for their freeloading, immediate gratification, with no regards for the consequences this unsustainable behavior will have on the rest of society, themselves included.

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  • Necrowizard

    Oh phew… I thought I was the only one that was obsessed with downloading music, just for the fun of collecting :)

  • lverona

    “If they are loosing money, then they’ll just stop doing their business, ie music. Then sure you will have total freedom to share the same tracks over and over again. Those will be the only things left to share after all.”

    Oh, come on. I am working in the field. Musicians, if they are not Britney Spears, rarely get any serious profit out of cd sales. Most musicians make money by playing shows, composers make money by writing music for TV, games and movies and receiving a ONE time fee.

    So do not repeat that old rhetoric about a starving musician – it is not true and has no connection to reality.

  • Eraser Ed

    Spotifys’ alright though doesn’t really cut it as it’s still too mainstreamy, so a good deal of what I search for isn’t available, and so it’s -> drop back to * and download instead (indy labels take note).

  • entropy13

    @BioShockerT81

    You do should care if they make money or not because that will mean whether they’ll keep on producing music or not. If they are loosing money, then they’ll just stop doing their business, ie music. Then sure you will have total freedom to share the same tracks over and over again. Those will be the only things left to share after all.

    This kind of mentality shows exactly how damaging and ultimately self-serving the pirates’ mentality really is. They destroy the economy and damage society as a whole, all for their freeloading, immediate gratification, with no regards for the consequences this unsustainable behavior will have on the rest of society, themselves included.

    Adam Smith once said that an individual’s self-serving interests is all he or she cares about, and through this “the invisible hand” gets to work out in the market. You go out and blast the consumers’ self-interest as irrelevant and damaging while the producers’ self-interest isn’t? They do not destroy the economy because basically that’s how it works (specifically capitalism).

    Also, this is definitely not “unsustainable” because this has been happening for the past 3 centuries, in various forms and in varying degrees of usage.

  • Ben

    I’ve got about 2,000 on my computer.

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  • lolzorx

    haha, try sueing them all xD
    going RIAA style 80.000 per song x 8000 song x (guessing 14-24 years old about 30% society) (0.3 x 62 million UK citizens)= $11.904.000.000.000.000,00

    That’s 220 times the whole worlds GDP combined!! And that’s only sueing 3.33% of the world population..

  • Watching Carefully

    I don’t believe in purchasing music because the money never gets to the artist. I also think that artist should make a good living but when they make millions upon millions of dollars I just lose faith. The hard working class pays just to listen to music and usually that money goes into all the wrong pockets. I just can’t stand it I am very pro torrent. Obviously with numbers like this the consumers have spoken!

  • BioShockerT81

    @35 Aug 10, 2009 at 15:45 by entropy13:

    I do believe that people looking to improve their own situation alone, rationally, leads to them improving the collective situation as well. But the keyword here is “rationally”. Damagingly leeching off a market is not sustainable, and eventually leads to the market breakdown and the worsening of everyone’s situation, including the pirates’. Piracy is therefore an irrational economic behavior.

    And yes, forgery and piracy have been happening since the beginning of commerce, but not like it is now, with intellectual property. A few decades ago piracy did damage eg the movie industry, but since it was 1) a relatively dangerous business, 2) tape copies were often low quality, 3) it was practiced in a relatively small scale, 4) it was relatively hard to come across them (at least in comparison with today’s standards). So yeah, the industry back then could cope with piracy. But with the internet piracy stopped being a shady business made with some shifty character in a dark parking lot. It has become something instant, practiced by (as this article demonstrate) an enormous number of ordinary people, internationally, and with nearly no risk. So yeah, comparing today’s piracy damaging potential with the past’s is absolutely unreasonable.

  • dave

    8000 songs?? this is a clear case of ‘wanting it all’. I think a lot of freeloaders just collect and do nothing with it.

  • Anonymous

    @39 Aug 10, 2009 at 16:28 by BioShockerT81:

    Please kindly answer these questions:

    - If piracy is so bad and cause so much damage how can countries that have no infra-structure to prevent it grow double digits? (China).

    - If streaming music or movies or games teach people not to buy, why is that sales are up across the globe?

    Explain to us how people sharing and giving free publicity to artists, manufactures and other companies are damaging them when they cannot show us any evidence that is really being hurt. Should we trust solely on your word?

    Give us something or be a fool your choice LoL

  • Adoo

    IT’S OVER 8000!!!

  • Anonymous

    You do should care if they make money or not because that will mean whether they’ll keep on producing music or not. If they are loosing money, then they’ll just stop doing their business, ie music. Then sure you will have total freedom to share the same tracks over and over again. Those will be the only things left to share after all.

    Hmmm…that is why, Shakespeare never happened, that is why Mozart, Van Gough never created anything because they couldn’t make a profit LoL

    That is why new talent are not using new services like SellABand or SliceThePie that collect money from the fans to pay for the recording of their albums.

    That is why there is a lot of free music licensed with CC licenses.

    That is why Jamendo have no artists in it.

    Oh! wait they are starting to grow. Jamendo alone have thousands of artists giving away their music wow!

    Services like sellaband publish dozens of new artists every month.

    People are still buying the merchs that the industry puts out how could that be?

    The sad thing is that those things didn’t happen earlier because if this started a decade earlier we would have had more than just a couple of big bands that took that path and succeeded.

  • I am not 14

    I have 11,498 songs at last count.

    Maybe I just collect, but I like having every great album I’ve ever heard + every great recommendation I’ve heard.

    That’s how I find out about new music..

  • Dingo_RG

    Well, I will take with a grain of salt a study conducted by exactly the UK music organization who represent the UK music industry, conformed MAINLY by just the UK record labels and BPI.

    First; they recognize something that already we all knew, and it’s the fact that the MAJORITY of young users on the internet using p2p for sharing, downloading and exchanging music.

    Also, this is a fact that the MAJORITY of people who use internet are young adults (under 30 years of age on average) with a clear majority tendency to use p2p networks for exchanging all type of information and content, not only music, that’s a fact; and the evidence shows clearly that the majority of traffic on the internet (which is p2p) is performed by the MAJORITY of internet users; and obviously, the evidence must have been so overwhelming that even the same music industry who always wanted to hide these facts, now they are recognizing it as solid evidence… cool.

    However, this statement don’t make any sense to me:

    “More than half of those surveyed said that companies that manufacture digital music players and mobile phones should pay fees to artists to compensate them from losses due to copies made on their devices.”

    I have more than 4 years working as IT technician, and more than 10 years working as designer of audio amplifiers for musical instruments; and as you can see, I have a lot of contact with music lovers (including myself) and I can assure you that MANY of these persons disagree completely with an imposed and unjustified levy on digital music players, mobile phones and blank media CDs; because they know that at the end, the consumer is who will pay this unjustified levy.

    Very probably, the survey was manipulated in some way; for reflecting the clear intention from the music industry of forcing an unjustied levy on digital devices.

  • Beserk

    TAKE IT FROM ME
    Living near this appauling uni and having the absolute crap rating it has; the statistics are probably complete CRAP.

  • sexgun

    Historically, the worst ripoffs of musical artists have been (and are being) carried out by the recording industry — not by the fans.

    I’m no youngster, but I’ve probably downloaded close to 100,000 mp3 and flac files, and I don’t care what anyone says about it. I have paid PLENTY to the recording industry in my lifetime, having purchased thousands of LPs and CDs. In some cases, I have bought four or five copies of the same recording. Take the Who “Live at Leeds” for instance: I got two copies of the vinyl LP, the second one because the first one wore out; the original CD release; the one-disk remastered CD, with bonus tracks; and finally the two-CD edition. Same thing with a bunch of stuff by the Beatles, Stones, Dylan, etc. However, I do try to share online only music that is out of print, or was made by dead people or rich rock stars.

    These industry behemoths were against cassette decks, VCRs, DAT decks, CD and DVD burners, and every new technology that has come around. They are just going to have to adapt to new ways of doing business. Musicians have learned that they no longer need record companies, since they can now avail themselves of new means of production and distribution which cannot be controlled by those companies. Technology has always changed the way people use artistic products in their everyday life. For example, the 3-minute limit on recordings changed the way blues artists interpreted their songs during the first half of the 20th century. AM radio, 45s, LPs, etc., all changed the way we use music.

    Finally, I’m delighted to see the name of Feargal Sharkey. Maybe he’s an industry hack now, but I’m sure he’s a good hack. He fronted one of the greatest rock’n'roll bands ever :).

  • Brilliant Death

    I take back my complaint about bias at torrentfreak. A lucid and interesting article.

  • Paul

    I thought this survey was full of crap, but checking my music folder, I have 7341 files.

  • dairRIAA

    I’d be interested in seeing the facts and numbers from a study conducted by and paid for by an unbiased source.

  • Cujo

    a friend of mine called me last week and wanted to know if i had any good ideas on what to download cause he couldn’t find anything he didn’t already have ;P

  • lold there

    16-24 y/o here, a bit over 30.000 tracks.
    (mostly mp3 V0)

  • Anonymous

    18 w/ 6k songs

  • Anonymous

    Only a little over 8000… How about 315000?

  • #YLS#

    Herts Uni does have a pretty good internet line on campus… unlike other uni’s I’ve connected onto it doesn’t try to block any P2P shit. Me and a mate used to download 1.4Gb movies and have them 10-20 minutes later (remember UK has poor bandwidth on average)

    @44 Beserk

    just cause Hatfield is a dump doesn’t mean the uni is… if the Herts Uni wasn’t there Hatfield would still be a small inbred town with a poxy airfield.

  • The Recording Industry Association of America

    Right, worthless thieves, according to our very accurate calculations all 1,808 of the aforementioned study participants who have admitted illegally stealing 8,100 works – and at a very reasonable settlement cost of 80,000 USD/infringement – now owe us precisely:

    1 TRILLION, 171 BILLION, 584 MILLION DOLLARS.

    Do not bother to check that value it is very accurate.

    We look forward to your cooperation in the settlement of this matter.

  • dread pirate roberts

    I currently have approx. 97,500 tracks on a 750 GB HD. Most are rips from CDs I own, have borrowed from family members, or are from albums that I haven’t replaced with CDs. I have another 425 CDs (live shows) that haven’t been ripped yet. It serves as a central media source for all of my family members (at home). We all love music, a wide variety of it, and my son and I study the roots and derivations of a lot of music. Are we collectors – yes – but we are not alone in this respect. We continue to buy music in physical and digital format, and yes occasionally download from torrent sites, especially when trying out something new; this results in one of two things happening – we either like it and purchase it in one format or another, or we don’t like it and delete it. The results of this study don’t surprise me; I am however still amazed at the cluelessness of most of the folks involved in marketing music.

  • Deville

    More than half of those surveyed said that companies that manufacture digital music players and mobile phones should pay fees to artists to compensate them from losses due to copies made on their devices.

    Switzerland already has this system. A few months ago the fees where lowered around 90%, it was incedible high, a few dollar per GB.

  • Anon

    BioShockerT81,

    No..what is sad is the people like yourself that recognize that law as legitimate.

    Laws are created by politicians who are themselves controlled by big business.

    Just because some piece of paper declares something a law, doesn’t mean it is right and should be followed.

    Slavery was Legal several hundred years ago, was that right? No.. and it got changed. Was prohibition right for outlawing alcohol? No.. and it got changed. The same will happen for digital copyrights eventually.. enough people will make their voice heard and force the corrupt politicians to make the changes required by the people.

  • Dingo_RG

    55 (Deville) said:
    “Switzerland already has this system. A few months ago the fees where lowered around 90%, it was incedible high, a few dollar per GB.”
    ——-

    Incredible, a lot of money which go directly to the pockets of the corrupt executives from USA entertainment industry mainly and not to the artists.

  • Zoness

    I 10k songs with 90% being from artists on different continents anyways…even if I wanted to pay for music (which I’m broke…yay college student) I wouldn’t be able to buy any music that I actually listen to. Mine is just so obscure.

    I wonder what this study would say about people who download movies, games, software and ebooks as well? lol

  • #YLS#

    @49 Dingo_RG

    I think when your on the spot being surveyed people probably didn’t think to hard about the question…

    Yes it does SEEM a good idea to put the bill onto devices but obviously it will just come back to costing more for consumers. its fine if you think in terms of maybe 10p per Gb but we all know the music industry would settle for no less than £10 per Gb if that even

  • cinema mafia victim

    omg, i even have more than 30,000 tracks through my joke snail slow 256kbps connection…8,000 tracks only is too dishonest!

  • rasha

    what exactly are they studying to get this information?

  • Bobe-On

    To me, art and industry/money is a kind of contradiction.
    I suspect that if you take the industry/money out of the art– and out of many other things, for that matter– you’ll have better, purer, healthier forms, and cultures.

    I think that if the blight of industry were to die overnight, art would truly bloom and flourish.

    Industry, like as it has done with agriculture (our food, our world!), seems to disease everything:

    “Sustainable agriculture takes many forms, but at its core is a rejection of the industrial approach to food production developed during the 20th century.”
    –http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/habitats/sustainable-agriculture

  • Dingo_RG

    @#YLS#,

    The problem with the fees is that all that is simply an excuse for stealing more money from the consumer. The fees on blank media and devices are unjustified. The entertainment industry claims all the time that the fees are “for compensating” to the artists, which is a big lie. Many of this money goes directly to the pockets of these worthless corrupt executives from entertainment industry, and nothing (or almost nothing) goes to the artists, that’s a fact.

    The canadians (for example) already are having a lot of problems with the collected fees on blank media CDs (a lot of money, BTW) because nobody really knows where this money is going.

    Also, if you do an investigation about which countries are being more affected by draconian laws from USA, you will realize that are those countries who succumbed to the idea of collected fees, and this created a bad precedent and the perfect excuse for demanding more and more draconian laws to these countries.

    Also, it’s well known fact that in the last 50 years the music industry has underpayed to their artists, even the point of stealing from them, compensating to the artists with only 10% from the sale of each album. These individuals are simply vulgar delinquents and organized crime; and I don’t see any reason for supporting with our money to these thieves who do more harm to the society than good.

    Here a good article, which illustrates better that I am saying:

    http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-group-prosecuted-for-failing-to-pay-artists-090722/

    In a few words, collected fees are an excuse for stealing more money from the consumer and the artists.

  • uh-oh spaghetti-o

    @h33t Well said. I agree.

    I am done being angry and fearful at industries, capitalistic greed,and people like P.Diddy who dumps 10s of thousands of dollars worth of X brand alcohol in his pool for his birthday. They can do what ever they want because I KNOW we the common people will keep sharing with one another. We will continue to evolve and embrace the future.

    To all my fellow human beings who grace this site: ‘my hard drive platter is your hard drive platter’

  • BioShockerT81

    @45 Aug 10, 2009 at 16:42 by Anonymous

    @39 Aug 10, 2009 at 16:28 by BioShockerT81:

    Please kindly answer these questions:

    – If piracy is so bad and cause so much damage how can countries that have no infra-structure to prevent it grow double digits? (China).”

    China pirates mainly from western companies. The government is actually surprisingly efficient in eliminating piracy of Chinese companies like Lenovo. (Which was well documented in the recent EU vs China row in the WTO) And at any rate, most of Chinese growth comes from exports (a good deal of those pirated and forgeries of western brands, mind you) And if you think the Chinese government has no infrastructure to enforce anything they want in their internet, the well, you don’t know anything about China.

    ” – If streaming music or movies or games teach people not to buy, why is that sales are up across the globe?”

    Sales are up because with the global recession people are turning more to cheap entertainment like music and movies. It has nothing to do with piracy; if anything, sales would be much higher without it.

    ” Explain to us how people sharing and giving free publicity to artists, manufactures and other companies are damaging them when they cannot show us any evidence that is really being hurt. Should we trust solely on your word?”

    So the pirates advertise the artists to other pirates, who won’t purchase anything to begin with? Great deal, huh. And all it takes to see that piracy is damaging the market is a bit common sense. Pirates don’t buy, so the makers get nothing. If they get nothing they either try to raise the prices higher to keep the profit rates constant or simply go find another career. They have costs, and pirates don’t do anything to help them cover them, but on the contrary, they actually stimulate others into stopping paying as well.

  • BioShockerT81

    @47 Aug 10, 2009 at 16:59 by Anonymous?

    “Hmmm…that is why, Shakespeare never happened, that is why Mozart, Van Gough never created anything because they couldn’t make a profit LoL”

    You obviously has no knowledge of history. Shakespeare was rich to begin with and got even richer with his plays and his marriage.
    Mozart received huge sponsorships from Austrian nobles, including the emperor. He only died poor because of his lifestyle.
    As for Van Gogh, well, he was deeply insane man, and can’t be taken as a standard for an economic model. So yeah, unless you want to get all your entertainment from maniacal-depressive schizophrenics, or from a handful of “well-liked by rich patrons” people, you better start paying for what you enjoy.

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  • BioShockerT81

    @63 Aug 10, 2009 at 20:39 by Anon

    BioShockerT81,

    No..what is sad is the people like yourself that recognize that law as legitimate.

    Laws are created by politicians who are themselves controlled by big business.

    Just because some piece of paper declares something a law, doesn’t mean it is right and should be followed.”

    Unless you live in a dictatorship, there’s no excuse to resort to these methods. There’s something called “election”, you know. That’s how democracy works, not through disregard to the rule of law. I think it’s actually really ironic how pirates see themselves as defenders of democracy while at the same time they so blatantly disregard it.

    The truth is that the vast majority of pirates don’t really care about democracy, or any real political ideal. They just in for the free ride, to be gratified without having to work for it or pay for it, or have any other kind of hassle for that matter. Political activism, or so much as walking up to the ballot in the election day is just too much work for them to be bothered with.

  • #YLS#

    @73 Aug 10, 2009 at 23:27 by BioShockerT81

    ‘Mozart received huge sponsorships from Austrian nobles, including the emperor. He only died poor because of his lifestyle.’

    Maybe that tells you why artists today shouldn’t earn that much… look at some of their lifestyles ffs. Look at MJ, guy had endless amount of cash and look what he did… still nearly went bankrupt.

    Do artists a favour… pay them what they need… don’t give them endless copyrights so they can forever make piles of money for doing one piece of work.

    Don’t let the record labels take advantage of there talents by making them produce album after album so that eventually they run out of good stuff and become crap.

  • Anon

    #74, In todays society, Democracy Doesn’t Work.

    It doesn’t matter who you elect, the entire political system is corrupted.

    There is a reason the Rich get Richer, and the Poor get Poorer.

    Do you not find it ironic the “Majority” of pirates, which are teenagers and young adults also have the Lowest income?

    Did you ever stop to think that “Majority” of these people can’t “Afford” the absurdly high prices?

    How old are you?

  • Anonymous

    fergal sharky was shite as a musician in the 80s and hes still shite”a good heart these days is hard to find”.your not wrong their mr sharky and you still dont have one you piece of shit.

  • anonymous

    The purpose of greed is so these rich elitists can make the world their playground. They enslave people, exploit the poor, destroy environment, diminish natural resources, and steal your hard earned tax dollars through bail outs.

    People of all races and creed need to rise up!

  • Anonymous

    Personally I’m sitting at around 27000. How does it feel to have a small dick?

  • Edwin

    I really want to see what they are going to do about it. I mean there are millions of people who download things. Even in your wild nightmare you cant imagine even 1% of them being sued and convicted, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to do.

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    This just goes to show what piracy is teaching our youth. :
    1 – That laziness and greed are the standards.
    2 – They can take anything they want and it’s okay, as long as it’s with the internet.
    3 – There is no such thing as money.

    8,000 songs? Looks like they’re catching on pretty fast.

    When they grow up, they are going to be shocked when they realize that they can’t be just pirate groceries and their taxes.

    At it’s core, piracy, though criminal, is actually remarkably childlike. It’s just like the “me” phase in a little kid’s life. They go around going “this is mine and this is mine, and this is mine.” It’s selfishness taken to a whole new level.

    @33 : Aritists would be making profit from CDs if it weren’t for piracy. Who the hell are you to be telling them how they should make money with THEIR work?

    What does business model have to do with this? Why do people think that changing their business model will change anything? Being free is still a bigger incentive than any possibly business model can provide (atleast one that involves profit for the business in question.)

  • Bobe-On (poetics)

    @Edwin, maybe they still operate on the mentality that if you make an example of one, the rest will follow out of fear, like a school of fish.

    Feargal Sharkey… now there’s a name… Indeed a good heart these days is hard to find.

    BTW, Michael Jackson put on and wore the industry on his new face like a mask, and it killed him slowly over time.

    That’s some of what profit over people does.

  • JoeMamma

    Bands dont make much money, if any from selling CDs anyways, only the record companies do. If you really want to help out your favorite band you should just buy some of their merchandise.

  • Dr. X

    only 8,000? Ha! I’ve downloaded OVER 9,000 songs!

  • PAUL

    THIS IS A LIE.

  • ROFLOLWTF

    My 14 year old downloads tunes, has done for a couple of years now. She has maybe 2-300 tracks tops. Hell I’ve been downloading tunes for over 6 years and only have about 5000, including bought vinyl and discs. If a 14 year old has 8000 tracks then it should be obvious they know nothing about music and download what they can to brag to their spotty friends about how much shit music they have amassed.

  • anonymous

    That equals to roughly at least 1000 of good music and 7000 of crappy corporate produced noise pollution garbage which they now call music.

  • XD

    This survey is very wrong. I am between 14-24 years old. And I haven’t downloaded 8,000 music tracks. In fact I have downloaded two to three times as much as that. And that’s just music. What about movies, shows, programs.

  • youngdand

    my issue with this is the greed attached to it all. and it is the same with everything relating to the media industry. Do people need to be paid £54 million to kick a bit of leather round a field either?

    I download music because i refuse to pay £1 for an intangible asset. a file that can be replicated at little to no extra cost, should not cost this much.

    I have around 30,000 tracks, which if i had purchased from itunes, would have cost £20 – £30k which is is outrageous.

    If the industry had come in at a realistic price per track for a download service, then piracy would never have been a problem, and they would have made massive profit.

    Their own greed and stupidity is to blame, and whatever they do now will never fix it, they priced themselves out of the market. RIP Music industry, you will not be missed.

  • youngdand

    @ ROFLOLWTF

    just because you have shallow tastes in music doesn’t mean we all have. I have 30000 or so, and 50% of them i can place in a certain time in my life, the other 50% are artists that are linked in someway or another with the first 50% but i missed at the time, or were part of the same scene.

    christ some of my friends have more than 8000 vinyl lps.

    also on a further note, i would say that 20% of my collection are probably not applicaple to copyright either due to age, or just by their nature, being from the early 90′s dance era, when the music industry was cracking down on the use of samples, so artists just released the tracks on white label.

  • Jim Lewis

    LOL, those kids are something else arent they?

    RT
    http://www.anon-web-tools.net.tc

  • ROFLOLWTF

    @ youngdand

    If you feel the need to actually admit having that many tracks, more powa to ya. I’d rather have a couple of thousand decent tracks, a diverse and eclectic selection of very good music I actually listen to, than tens of thousands of tracks of utter shite just so I can say “woo look at me I have 30k tracks aint I cool.

    No, you’re a typical e-peen nob, and I’ll bet you don’t even listen to 80% of the crap you’ve downloaded. Then again, you gotta love freetards who download for the sake of downloading, if it wasn’t for dickheads like you we’d not have large cheap hard drives.

    Cheers to the whores of the internet.

  • #YLS#

    @ 86 Aug 11, 2009 at 03:02 by ROFLOLWTF
    @ 87 Aug 11, 2009 at 03:09 by anonymous

    I’d say personally I’ve downloaded a lot of songs that I, at the time liked and played them for up to 3 month and got bored. A bit like when an artist has a good single I get the whole album just to find they’re a one hit wonder. which again comes back to the point, how is it a sale lost when really I wouldn’t have bought any of it? I’m sure some is going to call thief on me again but I don’t really care.

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  • Me

    8000 tracks! got to be kidding me, i barely have anything music related. radio is my best friend.

  • Turbis

    I have 0 tracks on my PC :3

  • Anonymous

    8000 tracks average is pretty good, that means a lot of the people probably sharing over 10000 tracks. This just shows that P2P can’t be stopped. If they take out BitTorrent, we’ll find another way to share those 8000 tracks.

  • TerribleTony

    “Illegally sharing files”?

    Sorry, there is no such thing. A file is a file, bytes are bytes, bits are bits, there is no such thing as an illegal file.

    There are illegal operations that cause programs to crash. That must be what they mean, yes.

    :)

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  • Bobe-On (karma)

    I’ve got ~400 free/libre/”open source” music tunes (currently, mainly electronica/IDM from Kahvi.org) on my HD, that I continually cycle through (delete/sample/download) until I eventually have another completely different set of about 400.
    Any of these tunes can be freely shared without any repercussions from any industry. Big kudos to those artists.

  • youngdand

    @ ROFLOLWTF,

    I listen to music around 16 hours a day most days of the week. i hit random and listen to whatever is played. My collection has no mainstream pop. i am a 30 year old man that does not listen to the likes of britney spears, ndubs or basshunter shite, or the any of the record company created acts that purely exist to make money. ie sugabaes, girls aloud, etc etc etc. most of these artists are salaried like any other job, and the song writers are paid to write songs for them, so all profit is taken by the label.

    Instead have albums of artists dating back to the early 1900′s all the way through to the present. I enjoy and am passionate about music of many genres and by people that made music for the love of making music, which is why music exists in the first instance. Our early ancestors didn’t beat sticks against animal skins and blow into hollowed sticks for profit, it was for entertainment, and to build community.

    Last, but by no means least, the music i have, is like a flick book for my life, reminding me of people places, good times and bad.

  • Uncle Slam

    .neo.styles|nvDX said: “Being free is still a bigger incentive than any possibly business model can provide (atleast one that involves profit for the business in question.)”

    That argument has been used a great many times over the years, even before the internet existed. I think AllOfMP3, which was a runaway success in it’s day, did a good job of proving it wrong. I’ve been using P2P software to download music since 1999 and when AllOfMP3 came along with their reasonable pricing I jumped on-board. Like a lot of other people, I was more than happy to pay.

    You are correct when you say the industry doesn’t have to change their business model if they do not want to. However they do have to play by the rules of supply and demand to stay afloat in a free marketplace. If you provide too little while charging too much, your customers will seek out cheaper alternatives. It is really that simple. Personally I don’t have a problem at all with paying reasonable fees for my music tracks and have seen a lot of comments by others around the net to the same effect. In fact I am more than happy to pay because it means I don’t have to worry about ever having my ass dragged into court. If every song ever recorded was made available for purchase at around ten cents each (I’m flexible), I would likely be broke all of the time.

    I’m betting your first instinct will be to reply that this amount isn’t enough to stay in business, to which I would say it could be if the industry were to make up the difference because they’re now selling in bulk. The potential is there to make more at 10 cents per track than they ever did at a dollar per track. Sadly they are unwilling to even test this possibility, which shows me that they are either stupid or have some ulterior motive we cannot see. Probably both.

    All I know is that the longer they wait and the more of their customers they attack, the less likely it will be to survive anything they ultimately choose to do. Eventually a point will be reached where there is simply too much animosity by too many people and no amount of draconian laws the corporations manage to successfully pass will save them. Trying to change human nature and the reality of our time is like trying to swim upstream. Since history repeats itself, I would say things like the radio, VCR and home recording are all good indicators of what will come to pass some day. You either adapt to a changing business environment by learning how to profit from new technologies or go under. That’s life.

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  • deadmanamerican

    got me about 8800 songs on my cp as well as several movies. theres no way i could afford to pay for all of this music and its mostly albums ive never heard before. piracy/torrents has exposed me to tons of bands and songs that ive never heard before and especially by bands that are underground/non mainstream that arent sold in walmart or best buy.
    i pay for nothing right now but am open to the idea of paysites with unlimited downloads.

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  • Jack

    These findings aren’t that surprising, although they’re still pretty mind-blowing. I just read a similar post at http://blog.huddle.net/free-p2p-file-sharing-software-apps-legal-or-not. In my opinion, P2P file sharing sites will eventually die off, but that will take a few more years and a lot more convictions for stealing music. Eventually people will get freaked out enough because of all of these ridiculously huge fines you here about in the news. Just recently a college kid was hit with a $670,000 fine for downloading music via P2P sites…I don’t know about you, but I think paying a few bucks per month at a paid music site to avoid a fine like that is well worth the investment.

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  • i Philip

    Music Artists don’t make money off of CDs they make money off of concerts. there are many artists that support P2P file sharing

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  • yeah

    8,000 Music Tracks Each !!

    BULL…. i will break it down…
    _________________________________________________________
    HOW MANY PEOPLE ? ?

    so 61% of (30%approx of UK population) = 61% of (60209000 x 0.3) = (( 1,802,700 people aged 14-24))
    so 61% = 1,099,647 about 1 million
    _________________________________________________________
    HOW MUCH MUSIC ? ?

    8000 songs at about 5mb each = 40 gb
    _________________________________________________________

    So what is being said is …..

    1 million 14-24 year olds, have about 40gb of music stored on there pc’s.

    I don’t believe that. seriously i think it’s bull… maybe 5gb but not 40gb.
    Most people download… then delete after listening because they don’t like it.

    I think , this is just another dodgy report to make filesharing look like a serious problem. With the goal of making filesharing illegal

  • Boo :D

    Fuck the law i torrent and I’m proud of it why pay for media when you don’t have to.

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  • Bobe-On

    Jack wrote: “I don’t know about you, but I think paying a few bucks per month at a paid music site to avoid a fine like that is well worth the investment.”

    Uncle slam wrote: “In fact I am more than happy to pay because it means I don’t have to worry about ever having my ass dragged into court.”

    Fear and intimidation: That’s one of the oldest, crudest tricks in the book, and something those who bully employ.
    Would you want to deal with anyone who frightens, intimidates and essentially forces you to deal with them?
    Well, those are the very representatives from which we currently get our entertainment.
    Those are the very people who we “vote for” when we pay them for their product so that they can then turn around and use some of it to fund legal actions against our fellow file-sharing friends, families and neighbours.

    “Free Cinema was a documentary film movement that emerged in England in the mid-1950s. The term referred to an absence of propagandising intent or deliberate box office appeal… The programme was such a success that five further programmes appeared… Three of the screenings consisted of work from overseas film makers.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Cinema

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_film

    We can produce our own films and collaborate using P2P if we wished.

  • Dingo_RG

    102 (Jack) said:
    “I don’t know about you, but I think paying a few bucks per month at a paid music site to avoid a fine like that is well worth the investment.”
    ————

    This is extortion, pure and simple.

    This is the same as saying: We (the RIAA mobsters) won’t sue to you if you succumb entirely to our will.

    Succumbing to the extortion is equal to support crime, being coward and not having character.

    I totally disagree with this or any type of extortion, no thanks… I don’t make agreements with mobsters.

  • Soundwave

    Since the CD manufacturing, packaging, distribution and shipping costs are eliminated, downloading a high quality DRM free song should be about 10 cents. Download an album for about 1 dollar. By the way, we want to see where that money goes.

    $1 for an album doesn’t seem like much, but at this price, almost everyone can afford to try new music, to download songs that they ‘kinda like’, download replacements for scratched CD’s, to collect music.

    It’s an artificial scarcity they have created. The music can be freely copied, yet they want $.99 to download 3.5 MB of data. Funny how free software – sometimes at hundreds of times this filesize are free to download legally.

    Buying that $18 CD feels like a life changing decision.

    If people feel like they are getting the right price, many more people will pay and I’d guess that most of them will buy massive quantities. Therefore the artists would actually get would make more profit than selling those 2 CDs per year that the average person buys.

    The problem is, they don’t want you to have what you want, they want you to want what you don’t have. They would rather you spend $35 on two CDs then spend $100 on 100 CDs worth of music.

    Why? Because they think you are going to have enough music to not need to buy anymore, and they think they can get more money from you over a lifetime of buying CDs, than you would spend on a downloaded collection. I don’t believe they are right.

  • Soundwave

    [continued]
    Maybe 30 years ago this would have been true. But now there are so many different chocolates to try. So many bands/groups/artists/composers.

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  • Spotify Sucks

    It really does, p2p is better as spotify demands huge amounts of bandwidth especially if I was using it for other things so it fails.

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  • Mr. Briggs

    That’s overkill. Even I don’t pirate that much. But that’s not saying a lot…

  • .neo.style$|nvDX

    After 110 posts my man had egnough..

    Google .neo.style$|nvDX

    He made .neo.style$|nvDX use the strap on dildo again. With a brick of butter for lube.

  • Ninja

    RIAA, MPAA, merry friends, please read carefully as that’s being said by some1 in the industry:

    UK Music CEO, Feargal Sharkey commented: “Clearly, the shape of our entire business will continue to evolve. However, we will achieve nothing if we do not work with music fans, and young music fans in particular. They are hugely demanding in their needs, but collectively we must rise to that challenge. We ignore engagement at our peril. That message is loud and clear.”

    And another obvious statement that only you guys haven’t noticed:
    Strangely, in this world of 8,000 track hard drive music collections and the rampant uptake of digital music players, 77% of those surveyed said they would carry on buying physical CD albums even if they were subscribing to an “all you can eat” download service.

    There’s no need to go around suing people if you work with them ^^

  • RD1

    I dont think I will ever pay for music(other than live music), regardless of the alternative options to piracy.

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  • wush

    wait a minute…is this study actually serious? they found it surprising or like a new revelation that people are downloading music? those statistics are way off too considering half of the people just don’t want to admit to it.

    I would say 99.9% of people that listen to music obtain it illegally at one time or another. But what they are dismissing is that some people still go and buy the album BECAUSE they listened. It’s a way of shopping smart.

    The problem is these record labels want to sell a single to you and then expect you to go buy the entire album which sucks other than that one song. You piss enough people off and now look…citizens have control of the music industry now. START MAKING QUALITY MUSIC AND PEOPLE WILL PAY!!!

  • wush

    Not to mention the music industry is evolving and is now a completely different game. Now they have finally realized the benefit of leaking viral videos and posting music videos on YouTube.

    Now advertising is creeping onto our websites so they can profit off of music. Ring tones are being shoved down our throat because there’s no other ways to sell music. It’s almost impossible for a band to sell an album.

    But the thing is now that you don’t make much off an album artists are just trying to pump out as many hit singles as possible so people will buy the ringtones or at least go to their shows.

    If a ring tone sells for $1.00 the artist gets about 70% of that profit. Sell a million and that’s already $700,000. Not bad for one song.

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