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70 Year-Old Grandma Threatened Over BitTorrent Download

As the mass-BitTorrent lawsuits continue to pile up in U.S. courts, more stories of what appear to be wrongfully accused persons hit mainstream media. A 70 year-old retired widow from San Francisco falls into this category. The grandma was recently ‘caught’ sharing porn on BitTorrent and was offered a $3,400 settlement, or the option to risk a $150,000 fine in a full court case.

Since 2010 tens of thousands of regular people have been sued in the U.S. for sharing films on P2P networks without the consent of copyright holders. Unlike other lawsuits, the aim of the copyright holders is not to take any of the defendants to court, but to get alleged infringers to pay a substantial cash settlement to make legal action go away.

As has been reported in the past, many of the people suspected of sharing copyrighted material are wrongfully accused. The problem for them, however, is that fighting the case is more expensive than paying a ~$3000 settlement fee. Justice aside, settling seems to be the best option for many innocents.

But not for a 70 year-old grandma from San Francisco. This retired widow has been accused of sharing porn (Amateur Allure: Kim) using BitTorrent, but says she doesn’t even know what BitTorrent is.

The Jane Doe in this case is being pursued by lawyer John Steele, whose law firm is currently involved in dozens of file-sharing related lawsuits, ostensibly to protect the rights of adult media companies. It is the same law firm that sued people for downloading mislabeled files.

Like many other defendants the 70 year-old doesn’t have the money to defend herself, but unlike others she’s not planning to settle the case either.

“It smacks of extortion,” she told SFGate in a comment, a conclusion that was reached by many others in the past.

Determined to put up a fight the grandma said she may have to go to court to defend herself. And she already has a plan of attack.

“I’d say to the judge, ‘I have no idea how this happened. If Sony can get hacked, if the Pentagon can get hacked, my goodness, what chance does an individual have?” she said.

As we’ve seen in the past, the lawyers don’t see Jane Doe’s age as an excuse, nor do they buy the claim that someone else may have used her unsecured wireless network to download files. Jane Doe has to pay up or convince the court she’s not guilty, they insist.

A full trial is also an option, as is usually noted in the settlement letters, but the lawyers are quick to add that it would put Jane Doe at risk of having to cough up $150,000 instead of a few thousand dollar to settle.

A settlement is the wise choice according to the law firm.

“We believe that providing you with an opportunity to avoid litigation by working out a settlement with us, versus the costs of attorneys’ fees and the uncertainty with jury verdicts, is very reasonable and in good faith,” the settlement letter reads.

A tough choice, and that’s the beauty of these pay-up-or-else schemes.

News of their potential profitability quickly spread and as a result copyright holders of more obscure and adult content have embraced them. Often described as copyright trolls, these companies can make more money from speculative lawsuits than actually selling the films they produced.

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  • Anonymous

    This is just horrible i hope he counter sues and get them good Grampa!! Suing old people that just proves how flawed this system really is.

    • http://twitter.com/Cazzzababez Carwyn Stephen

      I have to agree with you, for one the law system is flawed when it’s able to be used as a mass money making machine instead of simply achieving justice, it is also flawed when technicalities allow a 70 year old woman to be sued for sharing porn over a p2p network, obviously the first step would be to ask her whether she knows what a p2p network is.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah steele has some balls to even sue an old lady this just so heartless and pathetic. Hopefully he will get hit by a bus or train and go where he belongs “in hell”.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          I agree 100% but would send him to where Andrew Crossley of ACS:Flaw is – that’s bound to be a tad worse than Hell methinks.
          teehee :)

        • Anonymous

          Lol maybe they can share the same cell together.. ;P

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          I can see their profits rolling in as the porn version hits the market early next year ….

          No! Wait! All profits goto the people they conned already. Cool :)

        • Anonymous

          I think i just upchucked!! Thanks rob lol.

        • Not-a-clone

          No balls, just a total lack of scruples fueled by massive greed.

        • Anonymous

          Yep..

      • Sc1t4le

        You do realise that this could just be a very smart and randy 70-yr old!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          That must be a lot of viagra…

      • Krow

        Remember. Copyright trolls wanted to sue the armed men and women defending the US while in the middle east. When they were “caught” downloading movies, or buying local pirated copies to help them relax when the day wa done.

        There is no line for them, same as there shouldn’t be for us if we ever get the chance to prosecute them.

    • sasdsd

      That lawyer John Steele is obviously a relative of Lexington Steele, which would explain his obsessions on porn downloaders.

      • Anonymous

        haha :p

      • Anonymous

        haha :p

  • Rojov

    First

    • Guest

      Fuck off

  • DorkBoi

    You’re first, but I’m funny..haha.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1vnB2fd930

  • MAFIAAFire

    Pathetic, the way the system is broken… just pathetic.

    • TangWang

      “she should’ve known better” MAFIAA says now..”she should download child pornography, that would actually help us out” “we’re fucked now, we sue people’s granma’s…”
      WTF?! MAFIAAMERIKA???
      aren’t law firms one of the biggest fucking problem in this world..

      • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

        “aren’t law firms one of the biggest fucking problem in this world” -> This reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons where Lionel Hutz imagines a world without lawyers: http://youtu.be/0u9JAt6gFqM

        Also: naughty, naughty grandma :)

      • who wants to know?

        actually it is the lawyers…and we got a prez that is one too..what a wonderful world :) Great to be in the USA! LOL

      • who wants to know?

        actually it is the lawyers…and we got a prez that is one too..what a wonderful world :) Great to be in the USA! LOL

  • Guest

    I wish I was a lawyer. I would become the best I could possible become and spend my life fighting for people like her. I’m glad she chose not to pay the fine for something she didn’t do. Nobody should give into these blood-sucking parasites – they’re not worthy of the air they breath.

    • Guest

      *possibly

  • Noah C.

    Not only is this pathetic, it’s almost sick. To think that MY grandma might watch porn is a disturbing thought. I firmly believe she is innocent, and even then, they have no right to do this kind of law suit. These people are sick and need to be DDoS’d or something. Come, on where are you LulzSec/Anon?

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Well, I can’t imagine my grandma watching porn too but I wouldn’t see a problem if she did. I’m drifting away from the point though.. ;)

    • Robin Hood

      I wonder what their emails would reveal…

      WeFightPiracy DOT com 97.74.144.126

    • Tit-for-tat

      I wonder. If this lawyer can send such a letter to an old woman because he cant’t believe she didn’t download this porn, does that mean that this laywer’s mother is actually whatching porn on a regular basis (and maybe even downloading it illegally?)
      Methinks the MAFFIA should investigate this lawyer’s family immediately. They might find a lot of interesting stuff. :-)

    • Tit-for-tat

      I wonder. If this lawyer can send such a letter to an old woman because he cant’t believe she didn’t download this porn, does that mean that this laywer’s mother is actually whatching porn on a regular basis (and maybe even downloading it illegally?)
      Methinks the MAFFIA should investigate this lawyer’s family immediately. They might find a lot of interesting stuff. :-)

    • Tit-for-tat

      I wonder. If this lawyer can send such a letter to an old woman because he cant’t believe she didn’t download this porn, does that mean that this laywer’s mother is actually whatching porn on a regular basis (and maybe even downloading it illegally?)
      Methinks the MAFFIA should investigate this lawyer’s family immediately. They might find a lot of interesting stuff. :-)

  • Numbersix6

    “nor do they buy the claim that someone else may have used her unsecured wireless network to download files”
    Yeah, no one would ever do something like that. Has to be Grandma downloading. Freakin’ morons.

  • http://twitter.com/avatastic Andrew Wiles

    “Jane Doe has to pay up or convince the court she’s not guilty, they insist.”

    What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is that just a fairy tale now?

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      Along with respect for your elders. Hell is not enough for these bastards.

      Now we can add yet another grandma to the list of ppl pursued by MAFIAA. I suppose we’ll be seeing toddlers sued for downloading gay porn soon.

      • An Unwashed Heathen

        Then dead people, homeless people, and the occasional inkjet printer.

        Somewhere there’s a unicorn the copywrong sleaze machine is trying to pin something on.

        • MPAA lawyer 4567

          That unicorn did it I tell ya!

    • Anonymous

      Welcome to America

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I’m not only soooooooo proud of this brave and defiant woman for fighting against yet another attempt at extortion – but the fact that a 70-year old dearie has a computer with web access is simply terrific and so heartening.

    I love her already – and she’s now my favourite HERO.

    Go WIN Grannie and beat these bastards over the head with your brolly. A HUGE thumbsup for you.

    • Anonymous

      Well, she hasn’t got a lot to loose really, there is no long life ahead of her (not that I wouldn’t wish her that, but statistically it is unlikely that she will live another 20 years). Awesome grandma regardless, but I can understand why she does this now and why she might not have done this 30 years ago (if the issue would have existed back then).

  • Asdf

    “good faith” ?????? F U !!!

  • SpikeIH

    Even “secured” WiFi can be hacked. WEP is easy but WPA and WPA2 is as well if your password isn’t strong enough. Like everything it can be brute forced.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Your “average” password usually defies belief. When i received the wireless router from my ISP provider i immediately checked the out-of-the-box settings. It was using a WPA2 protocol which was good enough…

      And it had a password of 5 digits with low entropy containing only numbers and ordinary letters. There’s the default setting for 99% of the public using “modern” encryption on state-of-the-art household wil be using.

      I have named that box “Hacked in 60 seconds”.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        They do that so that the average user is not flussed with the thing. They advise you to change ALL the passwords on those things (for both access to settings and the wireless) before allowing anyone to hook up to it.

      • Me

        Reminds me of the excel password my company’s partners put on their word documents. Took 887 milliseconds to break it. Yeah, that’s less than a second folks. Get this – it was “partner”. Dumb asses.

  • Go Grannie!!!

    Granny don’t negotiate with these terrorist

  • SpikeIH

    Point being anyone who thinks their WiFi is secured isn’t safe, anyone can hack it and the owner will find themselves in this situation with very little recourse because his WiFi was supposedly “secured”.

    • Me

      I like her statement –

      “I’d say to the judge, ‘I have no idea how this happened. If Sony can get hacked, if the Pentagon can get hacked, my goodness, what chance does an individual have?” she said.

      So true.

    • Not-a-clone

      Back when I was doing some security testing on some wi-fi networks (yes, it was all authorized and legal, especially on my own) I was using some cracking tools I’d downloaded the day before.

      It was relatively easy to break in using those. Most attempts were successful in under an hour, a few under 10 minutes, and one took over 12 hours.

      Since people have to use the networks, there is no way to make it 100% secure. The goal is pretty much to leave it relatively hassle free for authorized users, but as much of a waste of time for unwanted intruders as possible so they’ll go bug someone else.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.kratz Jordan Kratz

    Disgusting news !!! these asshole lawyers need to have their pitiful lives made a living hell like they are doing to others.just doesnot stop with stories of suing older senior citizens who mostly barely use computers for websurfing,news,and emails.my dad doesnot know how to do anymore than that and he is now 87.a lot of the older folks use aol.
    this lawyer is such an asshole.

  • GrannyPornYeah!

    I bet you anything it was her! Dirty granny you go!

    • Some

      I believe your grandma would be doing the same.

  • townie2

    too bad someone wouldn’t hack their site, just to prove how easy it is.
    countersue.

  • http://twitter.com/Supertecnoboff Supertecnoboff

    Oh dear……..

  • An Unwashed Heathen

    Here is proof enough that MAFIAA lawyers are vermin.
    They’d sell their own mothers for a buck. Shame!!

    Kick his lousy ass, Granma.

    • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

      That. I wonder where are the copywrong trolls now. JACKIE?!?! WHERE ARE YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS ABUSE?!

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        I’m wondering the same. Jack Murdock usually comes around crowing about the evil bastard who just got caught.

        I believe this news may be causing him to suffer some cognitive dissonance.

      • An Unwashed Heathen

        Just like cockroaches, they fled and scattered when the light came on. ;)

        Interesting that they weren’t ashamed of the blood money they took before.

  • Deity

    If I were that Granny’s son (and I’m sure she has one or two), right about now I’d be polishing up my rifle for a little bit of problem solving.

    Seriously, these arseholes must have a death wish to piss this many people off. I don’t understand why they aren’t given a healthy dose of DON’T FUCK WITH ME.

    • Pissed OFF Patriot

      To answer your question, Americans in general have lost their balls. I remember hearing of a wonderful fairy tail once where a group of British colonists felt oppressed by their government. They didn’t whine and cry about it on their equivalent of an online forum. They sent a sternly worded letter to their King expressing what part of their collective anatomy he could suck, grabbed their guns and waited for the inevitable retaliation.

      They fought for what they believed in. They were willing to lay down their lives in pursuit of justice and freedom from persecution. We can’t be bothered enough to even go out and vote much less fight. Hell, even sending a letter to our representatives is too much work for the majority of us.

      Now, I am not advocating starting a war here but for the love of all that is holy we must make or voices heard again! We have all become too damn lazy (myself included) to do anything for ourselves. That, my friends, is why we haven’t “given a healthy dose of DON’T FUCK WITH ME. ”

      (Disclaimer: No offence was meant to those of you from different countries than my own, especially our friends from the UK.)

      • Who wants to know?

        YOU GOT MY VOTE!!! I totally agree! and proud of that granny! OH SHOOT I could be that granny soon myself! :S

      • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

        No offence taken by this UK subject my friend, and your comment is absolutely spot-on.

        As a remote observer of US politics and psephology I too have a raised eyebrow when I witness the way your ‘elected’ politicians utterly fail to represent the interests of their own constituents and instead wield their power to the highest bidder as if they’re some sorta political whore.

        It therefore comes as no surprise that less than 50% of eligible voters actually turn out to vote. Because they know they’re vote makes no real difference when living in a plutocracy rather than a democracy. And it’s all rather ugly and disturbing.

        I’m all for progress and improvements, but I can assure you the Founding Fathers would be appalled and outraged at the way the US Government has been infiltrated by said political whores to the detriment of the electorate Nationwide.

        I genuinely feel sorry for you guys, because it wont be easy to re-claim Government by the People, FOR the People.

        However, I send my best wishes and have already donated cash to a few orgs that assist.

      • Guesto

        Hard to believe that happened. This place bears little resemblance to that America.

      • guest

        lol our King was replaced corporations.

  • Pilgrimman007

    I notice Anon hasn’t commented… Stupid troll. He probably realized what a bunch of sleaze bags he works for. You go Granny!

  • Anonymous

    “I’d say to the judge, ‘I have no idea how this happened. If Sony can get hacked, if the Pentagon can get hacked, my goodness, what chance does an individual have?” she said

    Now there are some beautiful words and she is totally correct.

    It is just a shame TF then said this…

    someone else may have used her unsecured wireless network

    No one who leaves their system completely open can claim to be “hacked”. It is also not too hard to understand how this happened. It was open so people walked in and did whatever they liked.

  • Guest

    Burden of proof… An IP is not a granny!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Varner/100000024088209 Josh Varner

    The only thing that stands out oddly about this is her comment about sony and others being hacked. Shecseems to have some understanding about what hacking is and how it can be used. So its a good possiblity that she knows a bit more about computer stuff then we may think. If she does have an open wifi connection, they can prove if someone was on her connection by looking at the activity history on her router.

    • Anonymous

      Her son/grandson/neighbour/lawyer/anyone told her?

    • DocGerbil100

      Maybe she reads newspapers or watches TV news? The hacks she refers to were all over the mainstream media at their respective times. They’re still easy enough to find on wikipedia.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      Not necessarily…my own mother has no problems using terms like googling, hacking, formating, updating and so on. That doesn’t mean she’s savvy to what is actually going on.

      This tends to be the trend among the vast majority of users in general. everyone knows what hacking is – or so they think. That doesn’t necessarily mean they can go within fifty feet of a defenseless computer without the poor machine suffering bsods in advance anguish over the maltreatment it’s about to experience at the hands of some crude keyhammer monkey with delusions of adequacy.

      • Donotreply

        Funniest description of computer repairers regular clients I have ever read.

    • Me

      Dude she is fucking 70. My mom is 73. She reads the newspapers and the web. Which means she read the news and heard about it. Doesn’t mean she knows how to protect her internet connection. I assure you she doesn’t!!! LOL

  • BB Jones

    The RIAA and MPAA MAFIA are extortionisits- they should be outlawed and put in jail and hanged just like any other criminal.

    The problem is the criminals from the MPAA join with the criminals in congress – and now criminals are making the law and shaking down the innocent population!

    America is going to shit.

  • dlj

    One can not say that she has an understanding about what hacking is based on the note, clearly she has hear the term and about those particular cases of hacking, because those news tend to appear on the mainstream media, but she probably doesn’t understand how to secure her wifi network, therefore she thinks that she was hacked even thought her wifi was open. But this is speculation, just as the rest of the comments.

    What is outrageous is that the campaigns of extortion have been allowed to continue for so long, and now that this note made the news, I am willing to bet that the charges against her will be dropped by this extortionist John Steele.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com sophisticatedjanedoe

    Jane Doe… I have an impression I heard this name somewhere…

    So far you are doing well and don’t allow dignity to be trumped by so called “rational thinking” (to settle is easier than to fight). Good luck, we’ll root for you!

  • Grant

    Its funny how the system works. if they accuse somone of this and it turns out to be a teenager then bamb they got the right guy. if the person is 70 they must have made a mistake, i dont see how any case can go the distance with these circumstances.

    • Swoon

      Very valid point sir. It doesn’t matter if you are 18 or 81, mentally handicapped or not – the law is the law – although, in my opinion, she is innocent and the victim of a very unfortunate circumstance such as this. Not trying to compare apples to oranges here, but she has to prove that the smoking gun in her closet didn’t murder the next door neighbour.
      Good luck ‘Grandma’, and I mean that sincerely and not just blindly ‘baaaah-ing’ like everyone else trying to fight the power for freedom online.

    • Swoon

      Very valid point sir. It doesn’t matter if you are 18 or 81, mentally handicapped or not – the law is the law – although, in my opinion, she is innocent and the victim of a very unfortunate circumstance such as this. Not trying to compare apples to oranges here, but she has to prove that the smoking gun in her closet didn’t murder the next door neighbour.
      Good luck ‘Grandma’, and I mean that sincerely and not just blindly ‘baaaah-ing’ like everyone else trying to fight the power for freedom online.

      • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com sophisticatedjanedoe

        The only problem is that there is no smoking gun here. recording an IP using questionable methods (that Steele refuses to reveal) is a sound of a shot in a densely populated neighborhood rather than a smoking gun.

        Allegations in running a honepot resemble a smoking gun to a greater extent, and I challenged Sperlein (a troll in the case where I’m a defendant) and his admin to prove that it is not true (since they can trump on presumption of innocence, why not to taste your own medicine, trolls?), but they stay silent.

        • Swoon

          If there is no smoking gun then what is the problem? Steele would have nothing and this would be just another wild goose chase – in which case I feel absolutely silly taking a couple minutes during my lunch break and after work replying to this article. Let the grey areas sort themselves out, and let the elderly get their kicks online.

    • DocGerbil100

      While I do not in any way want to argue in favour of this or any other speculative invoicing / extortion scheme – like everyone else here, I’m well aware of the enormously high bullshit-factor in John Steele’s claims – I do find some of the arguments put in this lady’s defense to be a little objectionable.

      I’ve never quite understood why it is that the older generation is always assumed to be somehow automatically incapable of either an interest in porn or of understanding computers.

      Being old just means you haven’t died yet.

      Did slutty women and technically-minded people not exist before the 1980′s? Did all the mathematicians, electricians, prostitutes and natural slappers born in the forties, fifties and sixties all just lose all their knowledge, intelligence and inclination one day? Does all sexuality and technical nous just evaporate over time? I don’t think so.

      My dad’s not too far off this lady’s age and he copes perfectly well with some of the more complex aspects of keeping his system secure, although I’m sure he’s never been in the router’s settings per se (his ISP only provides a ‘sealed box’ preloaded with his internet account settings).

      As for sex, even if you’ve never met a dirty old perv in RL, you only have to look at the internet for innumerable examples of mature, slutty people – it’s its own sub-genre of pornography, for heaven’s sake.

      There are a great many reasons why cases like these should be thrown out of court with extreme prejudice, but the defendant being an old person – with the implication that this equals stupidity and sexlessness – isn’t one of them. :)

  • Coporatetreat

    “The problem for them, however, is that fighting the case is more expensive than paying a ~$3000 settlement fee. Justice aside, settling seems to be the best option for many innocents.”

    Because people do it wrong. I just bough a thousand round for $30. That’s not too expensive.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com sophisticatedjanedoe

      Two thumbs up! In real life I’m respected by my colleagues for ability to point false dichotomies. There are always ways to untie a Gordian knot :)

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  • gae

    Who’s betting that the lawyers hear about the bad publicity this is causing and put out a statement saying how it was all an error and the case against her is bieng dropped?

    • DocGerbil100

      I wouldn’t bet on that – MAFIAA organisations – like much of big business – seem unable to attract and retain people who aren’t psychopaths or sociopaths (and I mean those terms in the clinical-psychiatric sense). John Steele – like Andrew Crossley before him – most likely has no comprehension that what he is doing is in any way wrong – and he’s probably incapable of understanding why, even if the judge explains it to him.

      The RIAA used to try and drag seven-year-old children into court and only stopped when – as I understand it and reading between the lines – the studios that fund them threatened to withdraw funding if they didn’t stop, which in turn only happened as a result of extremely bad publicity in the mainstream media.

      I think John Steele will regard any publicity – however savage – as good publicity, unless the companies behind him start withdrawing their services – something unlikely to happen, given that they are basically failed porn studios with nothing to lose. :-/

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXX4S66KOUIGIKTTIMV3CBGO7Y Colin

        I believe it goes even further than ‘no comprehension…”. I’m sure I read recently that he thinks he’s on a mission to clean out all the evil filesharers.

        That may of course just be a front to add some fake justification for his robberies.

        By the way, isn’t it time he and his ilk were taken to court for extortion, because falsely accusing people of crimes they didn’t commit, and then offering them a $3000 settlement option to avoid going to court sure looks like extortion to me. It also shows up a fundamental flaw in the ‘justice’ system.

        • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

          It is Colin. It’s a breach of -
          TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 41 > § 875
          (d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
          http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000875—-000-.html

          Since I’m not a USitizen, I’m STILL unsure whether you should lodge your complaint (with evidence please) in the 1st place to -
          1.
          Mr J Cole, Esq.
          Office of The Deputy Attorney General,
          U.S. Department of Justice
          950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
          Washington, DC 20530-0001
          http://www.justice.gov/dag/

          2.
          Your own State DAG
          http://www.justice.gov/usao/about/offices.html

          3.
          Your local FBI Field Office
          http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field/field-offices

          or 4.
          Your local State Police Office.

          But you should ALWAYS quote the above item of law, AND take letters or email evidence of the “letters of settlement extortion”.
          If you’re contacted by ‘phone, PLEASE take a written note of the date and time of call, who called and what was said.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com sophisticatedjanedoe

      I won’t bet on it either. Here is my thought on that: http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2011/07/15/dont-let-go-your-banana-troll/

  • Anonymous

    This just proves that the law is way too harsh. C’mon if we are talking about middle class or lower common people sharing files then to demand $3,400 is not realistic. Most people do not have that kind of money lying around. Sooner or later those devils will figure that out. It shouldn’t be this harsh just for sharing files for NON profit! I live in the USA and the whole country is going bankrupt as I write this…we are in a great depression because of evil, stupid, and extremely greedy politicians have destroyed everything we hold dear.

  • afrowolf

    ““It smacks of extortion,” she told SFGate in a comment, a conclusion that was reached by many others in the past.

    Perceptive lady. ‘It doesn’t matter if you downloaded it or not, just pay or we’ll air your dirty laundry.’ Like people falsely accused of sexual crimes, then vindicated in court, people still remember these accusations. Classic blackmail scam. Trying this racket on a 70 year-old woman was pretty idiotic, though. I hope someone volunteers their services to help this woman and counter-sues those scumbags.

  • Joe

    they won’t drop the case. It would prove their so called perfect system is not perfect.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      All the more reason , we (filesharers) should fund her fight…..

      Make it pay for her to go to court…. Neutralise the financial threat , then let the Granny loose to beat them.

    • http://tinyurl.com/ANoiXioNA-personal-info ANoiXioNA

      All the more reason , we (filesharers) should fund her fight…..

      Make it pay for her to go to court…. Neutralise the financial threat , then let the Granny loose to beat them.

  • http://twitter.com/jesse_ps Jesse P.S

    Anyone setting up a Grandma defense fund?

  • http://twitter.com/jesse_ps Jesse P.S

    Anyone setting up a Grandma defense fund?

  • Goblin

    Are there anyone around that has good enough hackerskills
    to empty the MAFIAA’s bankaccounts and stop their cashflow?
    Maybe even erase the existance of all those MAFIAA criminals.
    Leave them without social security, money, citizenship, driverslicense
    and so on.
    The world would be a better place without them.

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  • http://twitter.com/K1rkpad Dylan Kirkpatrick

    Cool, I’m gonna go download the thing she was incriminated for now. PLEASE PLEASE don’t back down, miss.

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  • http://twitter.com/ilrosewood B Rosewood

    That’s a good video by the way

  • PaulChapel

    Come on! It’s obvious she did it and is just using her age as an excuse. I bet the silly old cooz has been burning and selling porn discs at the weekly WI.
    Fucking nail her ass Steele.

  • BIGDAN187
  • Anonymous

    Hmm somebody could have just hacked into her wireless network…

  • Neotoasty

    Child Pornography and Grandma stalking go hand and hand with these anti-piracy outfits.

  • Who am I?

    Go to court and fight the MAFIAA!

  • Who am I?

    Go to court and fight the MAFIAA!

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  • Esteedeeout

    I’m 67 and I’ve been sitting on from of a fucking PC since the processor was 8 bits running at 4.4MHz and ROM came with a BASIC interpreter. No foreign fucking languages nor graphic interfaces. I had to fucking study English to use the fucking shit. And you fucking teenagers with your fucking shallow Macs having no fucking clue what goes on behind your shiny windows running something based on a system created when I was a fucking teenager. And you have the nerve to question this lady’s nerdiness? Fuck you all! I’m back to my modified-ratio-cheating uTorrent on my fucking Ubuntu. The nerve! Fucking kids!

    You go girl! Keep up sharing that porn! And fuck all the lawyers!

  • Anonymous

    John Steele sounds like a real lowlife dick head to me, He is clearly at the bottom of the bottom feeding blood suckers.

    http://www.real-privacy.no.tc

  • R.

    “Jane Doe has to pay up or convince the court she’s not guilty”
    So much for innocent until proven guilty…

  • http://openid.aol.com/jackhowtizer jackhowtizer

    Every man for himself. Its a jungle out there.

  • Anon

    Wasn’t there another news article like this on zeropaid, a few years ago? heh, guess they really do love to sue old people.

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  • http://frugaldutchman.blogspot.com Jeroen

    How can $150,000 be a reasonable fine? Regardless if this is a granny or a 30 year old douchebag with a strong right arm…

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  • Mike

    70 year old grandma watching porn come on get real here someone with some authority step in and stop this madness.

    This is just proof an IP address is no way to prove anything. It is so obvious someone hacked her wireless or it was open. That is a separate issue and companies should be selling boxes that cannot be open. They should get sued for poor security. There you leaches go sue them…oh wait your too poor to do that and CIsco and Netgear would kick your ass. Sad world aye one were money buys you the law.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    I posted this as a response to a comment earlier in this page, but many peeps may not pick it up as such and I risk being admonished by the TF Mods for doing a repeat post (which actually better than doing a replete post lol). Anyway, if allowed, here’s what to do with the nasty letters, emails and phone calls you get -

    TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 41 > § 875
    (d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc

    Since I’m not a USitizen, I’m STILL unsure whether you should lodge your complaint (with evidence please) in the 1st place to -
    1.
    Mr J Cole, Esq.
    Office of The Deputy Attorney General,
    U.S. Department of Justice
    950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20530-0001
    http://www.justice.gov/dag/

    2.
    Your own State DAG
    http://www.justice.gov/usao/ab

    3.
    Your local FBI Field Office
    http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/

    or 4.
    Your local State Police Office.

    But you should ALWAYS quote the above item of law, AND take letters or email evidence of the “letters of settlement extortion”.
    If you’re contacted by ‘phone, PLEASE take a written note of the date and time of call, who called and what was said.

  • Hda

    Know who is the real f..g pirate here ? These anti pirate scums are taking advantage of others to make money . Government fully supports them.

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  • getoffayaweebassa

    this had to come sooner or later,and is going all the way. i predict it will be a landmark case that directs future prosecutions. some neighbour using her wifi i guess. these cases need full investigation before any action is taken, the current rules are too harsh without the facts. there should be at least two pieces of physical evidence produced before the courts get involved.

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  • Bobble

    Perhaps she could just report this to the police and tell them she wishes to press charges for extortion or demanding monies with menaces (whichever is the relevant crime in the US system). Go on the offensive and get the legal system BEHIND her.

  • Bobble

    Perhaps she could just report this to the police and tell them she wishes to press charges for extortion or demanding monies with menaces (whichever is the relevant crime in the US system). Go on the offensive and get the legal system BEHIND her.

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  • Treetops422

    The movie industry has the exact same policy.

    Innocent until proven guilty my ass. This is like someone stealing your car and ramming it into someones house, then you having to pay the bill. You wake up at 3am a cop comes to your house and questions you asking if you have any idea why your car was driven into a wall at 2am. You say no I was asleep. My wife can vouch for that, my car must have been stolen. Maybe they take you to the station to make sure and ask you more questions.

    They do not just assume its you because its your car and send you a repair bill in the mail! People steal others internet all the time. Iv seen kids sitting in alley ways with there phones leeching people internet. Do you think anyone over 35 has the slightest clue how to put a password on there router?

    Fucking lobbyist sacks of shit paid by the entertainment industry got this bull shit policy passed as a standard. If anyone felt the least bit guilty about pirating before that’s all out the window now. Those ass faces have crossed the line. I do not see myself buying or renting a movie every again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/codybwilliams Cody Williams

    age does not give immunity to crime… for those that didn’t know…

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com sophisticatedjanedoe

      Immaturity does not give immunity to lack of respect for elders…

      • asdf

        Respect or the lack of it for the elders have nothing to do with it. You don’t deserve more respect because you’re old. You do however deserve to be considered innocent until proven guilty – no matter your age.

    • Guest

      Maybe I missed something: who has committed crime here? The only one I can think about is Steele, but he is not even 50 yet, so who are you talking about?

  • Nothong

    Jane Doe has to … convince the court she’s not guilty.

    ????????????? what country they are living in????????

  • Nothong

    Jane Doe has to … convince the court she’s not guilty.

    ????????????? what country they are living in????????

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  • Viola

    Hey, yankie! Are You kidding? We have a real FREE BUSINESS of dowloading in Russia. I am really shocked of this news. Greatings from Moscow.

  • Wax

    What I’m interested in is HOW these people end up getting unjustly “flagged” by the data collection companies that law firms like this use… If we assume she is truly did NOT download the file in question (like so many others that fit age/cultural profiles similar to her), then where is the weak link in the data collection chain?

    Are the majority of users like her just getting their bandwidth hijacked by neighbors? Or are the ISPs handing over the wrong IP addresses to the law firms, after they make a request? Or is the actual data collection firm in error? That’s what I’m trying to figure out here, and it’s what really interests me (especially after hearing certain lawyers announce that they spent tons of money developing a “foolproof” infringement-sniffing program)…

  • Arb

    “As we’ve seen in the past, the lawyers don’t see Jane Doe’s age as an excuse, nor do they buy the claim that someone else may have used her unsecured wireless network to download files. ”

    Is anyone else thinking what i am? park your car outside these lawyers houses hack their wireless and start torrenting anything and all things possible. Show let them have a piece of the pie

  • Arb

    “As we’ve seen in the past, the lawyers don’t see Jane Doe’s age as an excuse, nor do they buy the claim that someone else may have used her unsecured wireless network to download files. ”

    Is anyone else thinking what i am? park your car outside these lawyers houses hack their wireless and start torrenting anything and all things possible. Show let them have a piece of the pie

  • Zingysing

    But where are the copyright trolls like Ven, Anon, or Jack? Why aren’t they fighting their cause against this grandma?

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