Anakata Explains in Court How ‘The Scene’ Works
Written by Ernesto on February 20, 2009The Pirate Bay trial has opened a whole new world for the Stockholm Court. When Pirate Bay co-founder Gottfrid Svartholm (Anakata) was questioned about the upload habits of the site’s users, the prosecution was baffled to hear that “The Scene” doesn’t like The Pirate Bay either, and that they are actually on their side.
For those people who read this blog regularly, it is no secret that the so called ‘warez scene‘ is not a fan of BitTorrent sites – private or public. They feel that latest pirate releases should be kept within their exclusive group, and file-sharing services such as BitTorrent are seen as a threat, generating unwanted attention.
On Thursday, Gottfrid Svartholm explained this to the Court, which resulted in an interesting exchange of information. It started with Per E Samuelsson, the lawyer of one of the other defendants (Lundström), who questioned Gottfrid:
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Samuelsson: Do you have any idea of how many of the works that the charges relate to, that have been uploaded by ordinary users that have bought a DVD or a CD and then made it available at The Pirate Bay?
Anakata: No, but from the file names, these typically look like they are from organized piracy, so-called warez groups.
Samuelsson: Sorry, I don’t understand?
Anakata: There are groups that specialize in making copyrighted content available. And they mark the torrent’s file name with their signature, kind of like a graffiti tag.
Samuelsson: So, there aren’t physical people somewhere in the world that buy legal copies and then make them available at The Pirate Bay?
Anakata: That could happen, but in these particular cases it doesn’t look like that.
Samuelsson: And that would mean these works could have been made available to the public a million times before and that the torrent on Pirate Bay is number one million and one?
Anakata: Yes, exactly.
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Peter Danowsky, one of the prosecution’s lawyers representing the music industry, was apparently intrigued by these mystical figures who specialize in copyright infringement. He later followed up on this issue and asked Anakata some additional questions.
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Danowsky: You have identified that there are certain piracy groups that have released the works in these cases…
Anakata: …not identified, but it appears to be that way.
Danowsky: Do these groups typically hire The Pirate Bay’s services?
Anakata: No, they hate The Pirate Bay.
Danowsky: (silence) Why?
Anakata: They like to keep their releases within a selective group of people.
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It seems unthinkable that the IFPI could believe that ‘The Scene’ would hire The Pirate Bay to spread releases, but presumably this is just more of those “Epic LOLs” from the TPB trial that Peter spoke of earlier. It’s doubtful we’ve heard the last of them.
Previously: Top 10 Most Pirated TV Shows on BitTorrent
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116 Responses
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Long Live TPB!!!
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TPB FTW!!!
well it seems every thing is falling into place as TPB wants. so sunde didn’t finish school who cares what there education level is. it seems they know what they are doing in deed running circles around every one in the court room.
Warez… like Warez BB?
YAAARRRRR!!!
LONG LIVE TPB!!!
ANAKATA! You are a hero! Long live the pirate bay!
TPB FTW! They’re playing the prosecutors like fiddles!
whether the mpaa or riaa want the piratebay on the internet is of no consequence. it will be replaced. and the further along our hydro-based tracking structure grows, chopping off one head will have little effect. The beast will live on…
anakata hero!
Hmmm, I could not believe the warez groups are really hating TBP, MN or whatever other big torrent site. But I think its annoying for them, because most of all warez groups have their own login torrent tracker or something like that. If their stuff is linked from big torrent sites, their working tracker become unneeded, which is a pain for the warez groups, because they maintained their tracker with blood and sweat. And of course, the unneeded publicity of “their work”
hmm, i wonder if this will move the front line onto the scene groups back yard?
(get it, i called the IFPI gay!)
still, serious point to make i try. this would be good for the torrent sites, but not for the quality of dl’s.
but i suppose this COULD help as it will further underground the uploaders untill its just a few pale geeks huffing in darkend corners doing it for the love…
Always find it hilarious when the copyright infringers become proud of their release to the point they feel copyright infringed-upon when someone takes their torrent and uploads it elsewhere.
Petty really. You can’t say “Feck intellectual property unless it’s mine”. lol
Peter Sunde is the voice of every lazy jack*ss slobbing in front of their computer pirating their balls dry. Me included :)
good luck TPB
“Anakata: No, they hate The Pirate Bay.
Danowsky: (silence) Why?”
^This.
Excuse me, I believe the Warez scene does in fact consist of people who are “physical”…
Pirate Bay runs the row!
lots of interesting points to come out of this case. it shows that a lot of the ppl who post here are confusing the issues.
a couple of points:
the pirate bay is not the ’source’ of the original copyright infringement, but the prosecutors are trying to link the two or raise the possibility into the judges mind. but they dropped most of those charges
it is too hard to bring down the many scene groups, TPB is an easier target, scene grps dont use trackers btw
the freedom of the internet is a recurring theme around this case, but not what is on trial here specifically.
TPB and other private/public trackers/sites do ‘facilitate’ copyright infringements. Without TPB and p2p tools/sites there would be a lot less demand as it has made it easier (facilitated) the downloads.
the real infringemers are the source and the ppl who profit from it by selling dvd’s, charge for d/l’s etc.
long live TPB
for those wanting to hear these passages, the times they appear in the mp3 files from day 4 of the trial are:
-samuelsson: 2:41:XX (??)
-danowski: 2:44:50
it can be likened to a guy who owns a motel where prostitution (or even small drug deals – illegal) occurs.
his argument is the he only owns the motel and what ppl do between themselves is their business.
now if he takes ‘reasonable measures’ to reduce the amount of illegal activity he may be ok.
but if he names his motel ‘the brothel bay’, provides a facility to makes it easier to transact the business eg: an index, credit card facilities, condom machines, needle dispensers etc and pays for the running costs of his motel through ads or some other form: is this facilitating?
he has done nothing wrong in the direct illegal act, but would the volume of transactions had taken place if he or others like him had not been there?
yes, the individuals are commiting a ‘more’ illegal act, but has he facilitated it? and if he and others like him were removed would the illegal activity drop? if it does for a bit then he has facilitated and is guilty.
food for thought, are the TPB any more guilty than google? probably, but not as guilty as say redtube who promote/host stuff or even DDL who charge for it.
THEPIRATEBAY IS THE SUPER PIRATE GROUPS’ SLAVE!!
EPIC LOL!
But seriously… this gave me a nice smile :)
@9
Hydra not hydro
If the groups didn’t want their shit to be all over the internet and p2p… they wouldn’t pre it.
The crap you see about keeping the scene “secure” in NFOs is said because it kinda has to be said.
And there’s a lot of e-peen waving.
Yours,
A Humble Racer
@19
hmm, this wasn’t on the svt stream, the audio files on tpb contain more of the trial?
this trial, payed by the US content industry, just shows how little they did their homework, e.g. spend money for some capable advisors.
they should have focused on the phenomenon of axxo. his stuff is hated by the piratebay people not for technical quality but representing a imperialist teenage mainstream hollywood trash culture.
i think piratebay would be happy to ban the top of the mainstream long tail material to host only quality stuff.
wow reading tpb trial on torrent freak makes me wonder if the Prosecutors have ever even turned on a pc.
“But I think its annoying for them, because most of all warez groups have their own login torrent tracker or something like that.”
They don’t use bittorrent trackers at all.
Keep scene safe, jackass, and as far as i know, they arent on your side.
Power to them. I can’t believe how, for such an important trial for them, the prosecution seems so absolutely clueless about technology. Surely they could have found someone to give them some info….
And thanks for the reporting!
Awesome hair cut and facial hair combo
Sometimes my jaw just hits the floor at how inept the IFPI is.
I mean… They have three years to prepare for this trial, but when the time finally comes, they’re so clueless it’s like they heard about The Pirate Bay and BitTorrent just yesterday.
But then I think, wait a minute. We’re talking about people who thought the fact that TPB is legal in Sweden wouldn’t stop them from successfully suing TPB. In Sweden. How could their stuptidity even come as a surprise anymore?
And yet, somehow they keep finding a way…
Just read from Times.com ‘Top story’: “… and they [da criminals] may have crashed the websites of their perceived enemies …”
That’s what the request to stop hacks was about. It’ll be used on flaming forever.
How much ridiculous can those people [times.com] be?
@ 34, desperate cries of the controlled media. they where careful in keywording ‘may’. LAME!
“Epic LOLs”
retard.
lol’s aren’t epic if you make them official
forced meme is forced
Can I hire the Pirate Bay’s services if warez doesn’t want them?
Haha, these stupid lawyers don’t understand a thing about what they’re trying to fight against. How do they expect to win?
warez is fucking bullshit and the movie and music industry is multi-layered crap. If the money went to the artists and not the useless managers and promoters who live off the sweating backs of the said artists, file sharing would not be this big of a problem for the concerned parties.
aaarrrggg!
Great dose this mean there going to go after the pirate bay for saying such thing. and this Peter Danowsky is starting piss my off………
This is just hysterical. The defense truly doesn’t understand how file sharing happens or how “releases” are even made. I had to reread the article to confirm if it was the prosecution asking these questions, because it sounded like a TPB lawyer. They were asking just the right questions in just the right was as to bolster our boys’ defense.
“prosecution* doesn’t understand…” excuse me.
@22 Hydro can have a lot of heads too depending on the size of the plant.
Actually the pirate Bay is poluted by the shit from the majors member of the RIAA, MPAA, IFPI and the so on. It is too bad that there is no way to filter this shit out!
It seems like the prosecution’s tactic is to make TPB into a mafia or organized crime group – and they’re failing miserably in this attempt.
This is cool. Made me smile.
GO PIRATE BAY!!!!
“Epic LOLs”
Nothing could sum up this article in a better way.
Something doesn’t look right. The IFPI etc. act dumb, but at the same time, have fakes ect. seeded, and track users.
They know how it all works. This acting dumb shit is a common technique, used by cops to lawyers to try to get information out of people. Don’t fall for it.
@13
it isn’t about being copyright infringed upon as much as it is the work that goes into it. People do it for others, so they want to see there little baby warez grow and be dispersed, not be ripped off by someone else who will claim they did all the work. Remember, the online communities are built upon respect. Respecting ones ability to contribute and, in this case, crack. They look at it as an affront against their name.
Long Live The Pirate Bay!!…
Keep scene safe, jackass
long live tpb
How the fuck could the IFPI not know about the scene. If they took one look at the MPAA’s site, they would know that even they are well aware of it.
has it occoured to anyone that the wordings they are using etc… may have actually been designed with know-how for bittorrent, with the aim of distorting the truth, using words like ‘hire’ to try to cement to commercial nature of the operation to the jury (im assuming this is a trial by jury, but i could be wrong)
Lmao. They must had heard about underground scene before with these raids like operation fastlink and operation buccaneer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBqUBAv1ek
If you have no idea what this ‘warez scene’ is all about, I recommend to watch no copy-video to understand how this secret underground scene works and how was it born in the first place
@#11 your a complete idiot if you think the scene uses bit torrent.
And let me tell you why they hate TPB for instance.
YOUR putting it all public means attention like this, attention that in the end THEY will win against you and then focus efforts on them.
Scene is not about mass spreading of piracy, its sharing amongst a few people as it should be.
Can you call someone you have never really met YOUR friend , if so list the ways they are your friend. AND it is not because they gave you a free music album or some movie.
It is also true that sceneers hackers have in past attacked certain sites and that has lead to much more debate.
The fact is two retains a thought, you hide it all away and make it hard and thus two things of that happen, it becomes much more lucrative for asses to make cash off piracy, and second its even harder to find and stop.
OR
you do as TPB and such does and go wide open with it and gain as many people millions in this case that accept it as what is just and ok.
Prob is its easy to target , makes prob for the first group a peeps, and could and does get removed time and again unless it has wide spread popular support.
This is also why now hollywoods goals aren’t to stop it for the moment but to delay it as they put kids through propaganda classes to brain wash them lies into what copyright is , when it isn’t.
That alone tells you the WHOLE DAMN system is totally broken.
ALSO him speaking negatively of them just proves this guy is a bonehead.
he should have kept his mouth shut about anything to do with the scene , after all he’d not be here or anywhere with out them.
@18 you remove things and demand increases for it thus the 80$ HD DVD then someone might more be tempted to sell you one instead of that free download , that’s why hollywood cant stop the cycle.
you have to lesson prices so much to compete that look at open source
why are browsers free , hrmm is that cause netscape gave there code away for free, do you remmeber that.
the effect is we dont pay for browsers now.
ODD how mozilla actually makes money dont ya think
so opensource movies and music can work. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO STOP.
people who would do these things for free, cause they enjoy it.
It is obvious why true pirates hate P2P, their business IS getting killed by torrent.
Why pay a shady dude for second rate quality when you can download it for free (ok, you pay your ISP, and computer and power bill).
@55
correction:
Scener’s business WAS killed.
IS dead.
@ 11
You don’t know much about the origins of piracy clearly.
The Scene dislikes Bittorrent because it’s not direct enough. Most of them use FTP/FXP to move files around, which is a lot more controlled.
Lawyers = EPIC Phail!!!
Anakata got screwed and didn’t even notice. The people in court may be using words of the same language but their use it actually quite different.
When the lawyer asked “Do these groups typically hire The Pirate Bay’s services?”, there’s only one appropriate answer: “The Pirate Bay is not for hire.” Instead he gave the impression he’s actually in contact with people of “the scene”. Of course, /we/ know or at least assume he’s just talking about hearsay, his intuition and maybe some anonymous feedback from people who declare themselves as “the scene”.
However, the prosecution and the judge don’t have to see it this way and most of the technical details will be perceived as blahblahblah by the jurists. What technicians understand as “facts” is largely irrelevant in court. Avoiding wording that can be twisted as implied admission, if not for this case, then for follow-up lawsuits, is much more important. The less information you provide, the better because virtually EVERYTHING can be held against you.
I’d even call this a classic geek trap. Geeks are proud of their knowledge and wisdom. If you encourage them just a little, they’ll talk all day and let their guard down. Remember Hans Reiser? If he had just STFU, he might have never been caught but he just couldn’t help babbling.
The relatively low sum of only 10 million Euro could also imply the industry isn’t even interested in winning the case and just using the lawsuit as political smear campaign and to gather information.
YARR!!!
@61
Totally agree with ya..
this is weird (and ye i like it), those peeps dont know anythin about how p2p, torrent and all that works? while they did quite some research i asume?
What ’scene’? Oh you mean those asswipes trying to limit filesize so hey multirar their CD-sized low-quality TS-crap? Give us all a break and grow up already!
There is no powerful scene anymore. Thanks to bittorrent we have decent error-checking distribution of unlimited filesizes and MUCH better quality releases that ARE directly posted as bittorrent files.
“Hmmm, I could not believe the warez groups are really hating TBP, MN or whatever other big torrent site. But I think its annoying for them, because most of all warez groups have their own login torrent tracker or something like that. If their stuff is linked from big torrent sites, their working tracker become unneeded, which is a pain for the warez groups, because they maintained their tracker with blood and sweat. And of course, the unneeded publicity of “their work”
ROFLMAO. I read some pretty clueless comments here qiote often but that has to take the cake for the funniest, most uninformed comment I have ever read.
STFU you clueless twit. LOL
“What ’scene’? Oh you mean those asswipes trying to limit filesize so hey multirar their CD-sized low-quality TS-crap? Give us all a break and grow up already!”
Apparently you have NFI about how the scene works. what the aims are and why it exists.
“There is no powerful scene anymore.”
Wrong. And it has nothing to do with power BTW.
“Thanks to bittorrent we have decent error-checking distribution of unlimited filesizes and MUCH better quality releases that ARE directly posted as bittorrent files.
Funny – how do you explain the fact that most content posted still originates from the scene then?
Whilst there is some quality non-scene sourced content much of it is low quality or defective in some way – just as though a random group of people, following no rulesets and eager to get a name for themselves by uploading any old rubbish… which is what it is.
I release MUCH higher quality material than you’ll ever see as a scene release. Thanks to bittorrent. The scene is dead!
Piratebay Milele! (- PirateBay Forever!). Lots of love from Malindi, Kenya. If things go awful in Sweden, you welcome to Kenya. All you need to do here is bribe the president with a computer or two and no one will ever touch you.
We love you.
You guys are not aware of the bigger picture here.
They (Legal Industries) dont want TPB to pay bilions of dollares for theyr activity (shure if they pay it will be handy for the industry), they want to take down all the major Releasers(aXXo, FXG etc…) that make available all the industries work to the public for free, today they tried to catch some info from Scene, if Anakata would say “yes they use our services”, he would be forced to suplly info of… well, of everything about them.
They are not trying to convict TPB at all, they are trying to find a bit of info to grab on of major releasers that TPB might have some crucial info about.
This is a tactic already used before in big cases and a good example of it is the movie Sleepers.
Like you all know, if TPB shutsdown, piracay will continue anyway, and the industries are very aware of that, even if they look pretty dumb.
They want to cut out the source of the major releases and im afraid that, if they succeed, it will end into people watching everything that each individual does in internet in theyr homes, only that way they will be able to control or stop for once online piracy.
EPIC…
L OOOO L !
L O O L !
L O O L
LLLL OOOO LLLL !
TPB don’t know any scene members(!)
If he said “yeah we offer our services to the scene” they would try to use the whole idea of the scene against them.
Im sure they genuinely don’t know any scene members, they are a public torrent site not an underground forum.
“I release MUCH higher quality material than you’ll ever see as a scene release. Thanks to bittorrent. The scene is dead!”
Rubbish.
For one “The Scene” releases BluRay isos – how do you top untouched BluRays for quality exactly?
For another using experimental or new encoder options may increase quality – but not to a very large large extent at all. Allowed filesize options (according to rulesets) have been chosen for a reason by experts to ensure quality – for XviD movies some releases may be at the extremes of length vs. size and hence lose some quality potentially, but that’s a small subset of sources. Even using new audio options (and hence new container options) such as multi-channel AAC doesn’t save that much room for higher video quality.
Seeing as you arent a member of the scene, which is by nature a secretive loosely organised group of people, you are not qualified to say this.
Bittorrent probably gets less than 10% of the total content released out of the scene – actually content wise 1-click hosters and emule have a much wider variety.
Whose to say that the music and movie industry hasn’t intentionally uploaded torrents to unreleased material onto The Pirate Bay in order to implicate them?
A bunch of paranoid idiots on the comments today.
Please note: We know they are stupid; This means what it should mean: They don’t have a plan, they’re just working for pay.
Simple as that, they will continue to throw money aimlessly, they always did, always will do.
No point making some stupid conspiracy just because it “can’t be that simple”.
oh come on even wiki knows that actual scene hates p2p
srsly how much of a fail can that be…
and i reaaaaaly doubt that he didn’t know about scene at all
(74) I was referring to the prosecuters not TPB
@ 52 there is no Jury the judge will decide guilty or not.
Almost certainly not :-)
Well balanced reporting, thank you for taking the trouble to present things impartially, whatever your personal views.
I rather suspect that the prosecution are merely drawing out an explanation for the judge, to highlight the fact that the defendants have knowledge of “the scene” and are not therefore ignorant of the origin of the material that they facilitate the distribution of.
@United Hackers Association, #53;
“YOUR putting it all public means attention like this, attention that in the end THEY will win against you and then focus efforts on them.”
Thinking about “the scene”, I’m reminded of the story about how to catch monkeys. You put some food in a stump, but make sure that it’s only reachable via a small hole just big enough for the monkey to stick its hand in. Once it has the food in its fist, its hand will no longer fit through the hold and the monkey will be stuck. Even when it sees someone coming to grab it, it isn’t smart enough to open its hand so that it can pull it out. It will stand there frantically trying to get its fist out of the hole.
The scene is like that. If people spread a Diamond release of a movie, it brings attention to the group Diamond. How do people know that it’s a Diamond release? Because they put their name on the file and in the NFO and because they brag about being “first”. If scene groups weren’t obsessed with getting attention and didn’t put their names on their releases, the authorities would have no idea who released what. Of course, they would never do that, because “the scene” is just a huge pissing contest. They don’t want to “share” content, they want to slap something out first so that they can point at the other groups and say “We’re better than you!”
I’ve also heard tha argument that without the competition, the scene wouldn’t release anything. That’s a stupid attitude. There’s a user in the SciFi newsgroup who recently ripped and uploaded pretty much every DVD in his collection. He uploaded close to 300 movies, most of them 1.4GB DVDRips that look great. He didn’t bother to put his name on any of them.
@Caesare, #72,
“Allowed filesize options (according to rulesets) have been chosen for a reason by experts to ensure quality”
Except that the obsession with being “first” often leads to screwups because the group is in such a rush to get something released, that they don’t bother to check it. Out of sync audio, graphical glitches, missing parts, no subs for foreign dialog, etc. You have the first DVDRip, then the Re-Rip, then the Proper, then the Proper Re-Rip, then the sync-fix, etc.
Not to mention that the scene rules often allow groups to create sub-standard videos. Take Stargate Atlantis; Most of the first 4 seasons of DVDRips were done by established groups using acceptable settings. Most of season 3 was done by a group called GoTV who used the lowest resolution allowed at the time. The episodes that they did look like crap compared to the rest. The video is blurry and jaggy. But since there are no obvious technical glitches, no other group can release better copies, since GoTV was “FIRST!”
Even when all the copies look ok, every season of a TV show will be done by a different group using different resolutions and encoding settings. One might be at 624×352 and have normal audio. The next might be at 640×348 and have low audio. Nothing’s standardized.
Also, the rush to be first means that no groups (other than British ones) bother to include the closing credits of TV shows recorded “live”, so you don’t get the previews of the next episode. Some copies cut out right after the last line of dialog is spoken, making it look like they left out part of the scene.
~root: “What ’scene’? Oh you mean those asswipes trying to limit filesize so hey multirar their CD-sized low-quality TS-crap?”
What a stupid comment – how exactly do you propose that something of higher quality than a cam/TS is released when there is no other source other than cammed ones?
“Give us all a break and grow up already!”
Give us all a break and stop making comments about things you are clueless about. The fact that you are tooting your horn here about your supposed quality releases and that your better than scene content just shows how much of a noob wannabe you are.
“Look at me! Look at me!”
No idea…
Samuelsson was the lawyer for the defense (The Pirate Bay), not the IFPI. Some of you guys seem to think it’s the IFPI asking these questions and acting brain dead.
Anakata said he looked at the file name & tag (like the nfo copies you see). This is NOT having any knowledge of the scene.
@80; second part, which we are all talking about, is from a lawyer representing the music industry. Idiot.
fuck the scene, long live TPB
GTA 4 and other games/movies have been there WAYYY before the scene ever did
FYI. There are several companies being formed now that will attempt to monitor every download on the web. Take a look at Nexicon Inc.
RACE OR DIE.
TPB is for nobs.. join private trackers ya buncha kazaaa users.
lol
wow, this trial is becoming more interesting than anticipated. You have a prosecution that knows nothing about what they are dealing with. Its an abortion of a failure. epic lulz
on a side note: yes its true, we hate the pirate bay. But at the same time, I have to admit that this is great for us, as it takes the spotlight off our community and onto a more publicly accessible one. That of the torrent community. What will be decided in this trial will ultimately affect all of us. So we watch, hidden from sight…. With glee.
anonymous scene member,
via starbucks internets
keep the scene safe
“fuck the scene”
what every loser that cant get in says ;)
2 cent car crash: Then read his last two answers again. How can he know what “the scene” thinks or wants if doesn’t even know them? As said, he’s probably just babbling but the court isn’t the place for that. Even geeks have to know their place and the court is where they can’t beat the jurists – except by leaving it up to their own jurists.
Rodipuss it is an overall view.
If you read the whole last exchange. It wolud be a conterdiction. He must know only by word of mouth.
Any Rebroadcast Reproduction or other use of this telecast wothout the express written consent of ‘The Scene’
is strictly prohibited.
Long live TPB http://www.thepiratebay.org
“The episodes that they did look like crap compared to the rest. The video is blurry and jaggy. But since there are no obvious technical glitches, no other group can release better copies, since GoTV was “FIRST!””
Er, excuse me, what about internal releases? Any group can release after the first, it just must have the tag internal.
“Even when all the copies look ok, every season of a TV show will be done by a different group using different resolutions and encoding settings. One might be at 624×352 and have normal audio. The next might be at 640×348 and have low audio. Nothing’s standardized.”
Every season? You Phail…
“GTA 4 and other games/movies have been there WAYYY before the scene ever did”
Oh yes, that’s right – with comments like “WE DID IT, WE MADE HISTORY, WE ARE THE GREATEST” … except, unlike the scene, the crack didn’t work
That’s if you could even get it before it scene pre’d. Seeg as it has 100 seeds vs. 125,000 peers.
Idiot.
GO PIRATE BAY!
“fuck the scene, long live TPB”
Yeah, fuck the scene.
Then we can rely on geniuses like yourself to keygen and crack SecuROM, SafeDisc, StarForce, Tages, Steam, Themida, ASProtect, Armadillo, etc.
I’m sure you and others like yourself, can provide P2P networks with a continuous flow of properly cracked and working releases.
Right?
“GTA 4 and other games/movies have been there WAYYY before the scene ever did”
I think you are referring to the half-assed, buggy and non-working LOADERS that flood P2P, every time there’s a major game release.
Do you even know the difference between a LOADER and a CRACK?
I don’t know non-American legal procedures, but in America a lawyer would NEVER ask a question he didn’t already know the answer to. That these prosecutors would ask about the scene and not know what they were asking is mind-boggling like amateur hour in the minor leagues. The content industries aren’t getting much out of their lawyers in this one. Probably anyone would have expected them to have much, much better legal counsel with the money they have.
It does seem bizarre that the lawyers are so clueless. Is he playing dumb? Or just trying to present TPB as a knowing provider of illegal services?
Either way, Anakata seems calm and to thee point.
I hope Alan Ellis’s trial goes this well, and he’s as cool as the TPB folk.
tpb rules – ok
they should stop prosecuting Anakata and waste their energy on finding these Warez Groups, lol good luck on that.
The scene groups are as bad as the copyrighters. They think they own a copyright on there releases.
I don’t really have any respect for software crackers. Sure, strictly technically it’s absolutely impressive. A thermo-nuclear bomb is an impressive piece of technology, too, but is it really a good idea if you consider the consequences?
If it weren’t for crackers, people would get a clue and switch to (legally) free software or just not buy software that comes with rootkits as copy-protection. It’s sad people throw their rights and freedom out of the window for as little as some computer game.
That way they’d also not fall for “cracks” that are actually just viruses, trojans and worms. That does not only harm themselves which I could care less about, no it’s a burden for everyone else on the internet considering that these the purpose of such malware is usually spamming by forming botnets and propagation of more malware.
Cracking was okay and fun back then when we had “home computers” instead of PCs but in the context of the internet age, the rise of free software, cracks cause more harm then they solve and just results in a pointless arms race with even more draconic counter-measures.
Also, it’s a real shame that people who actually use software for business purposes would be using cracked software. Consumers don’t need photoshop, professionals who really need it earn more enough to pay for a license. In fact, you should think about this and ask yourself on whose side crackers really stand. Incidentally, “crack” is also drug and dealers are known for tricking people with free tries and make them addicted to and dependend on a fairly useless product.
lol @ all the torrent idiots saying “scene sux, torrents ftw”
>.>
Where the hell do you think all your little files in your magical torrents came from (most of them?) That’s right, The SCENE.
(And some TSs and CAMs are actually good, tards… Hint: check the older stuff, like CENTROPY…)
@scrilla, #97;
“Er, excuse me, what about internal releases? Any group can release after the first, it just must have the tag internal.”
Which, for TV shows, usually never get distributed outside the scene, so most people don’t know that they exist. What group did the “internal” versions of the crappy GoTV episodes?
“Every season? You Phail…”
Yes, nearly every season in most cases. Need examples?
Stargate Atlantis
—————–
Season 1 – Saints
Season 2 – Saints
Season 3 – River (1-4), GoTV (5-20)
Season 4 – Saints (1-4), River (5-8), FoV (9-20)
Battlestar Galactica
——————–
Season 1 – Medieval
Season 2 – Topaz, FQM, BIA, Dimension (#10 extended)
Season 3 – FoV, Saints (#09 extended)
NCIS
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Season 1 – River
Season 2 – Saints
Season 3 – FoV
Season 4 – Topaz
Season 5 – Orpheus
Criminal Minds
————–
Season 1 – Topaz
Season 1 – Saints
Season 1 – Saints, Orpheus
Supernatural
————
Season 1 – Saints
Season 1 – Bollox, Saints
Season 1 – Orpheus
Eureka
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Season 1 – Topaz
Season 1 – FoV
Joan of Arcadia
—————
Season 1 – FoV
Season 1 – Saints
Doctor Who 2005
—————
Season 1 – TVEP, m00TV, Saints
Season 1 – m00TV, Saints, FoV
Season 1 – FUTV, m00TV, Bollox, River
Season 4 – Reward
Do I still “Phail”?
@United Hackers Association:
@Caesare:
Oh here come the sceners with there twisted little logic that only makes sense (and only benefits) THEM, and them alone. They cannot work out with their oh-so-infinite-brains why people ‘not in the scene’ don’t listen to their bullshit rules and play ‘their’ game.
They like to keep things to themselves and not let people like you or me have anything. We get NOTHING. Except now, with torrents/TPB, we can actually get SOMETHING. But the oh-so-massively-intellectual sceners think we should stop because it will publicise their activities and if that happens, they say, we will end up with NOTHING.
So, their little message seems to be: “Stop getting SOMETHING. Go back to getting NOTHING or….. you will have NOTHING.”
Clever people these, obviously.
ifpi – wasting artist earned money since 1933.
.~.
Well if they kill PB by my countries SIPS blocking access then I’m going to learn how to get in the warez scene which will mean a lot more ripping and sharing of copyright material than I do now if I’m to keep my spot in the “scene”.
yes it is obvious The Scene hates shite like TPB and all you p2p n00bs you make it all more risky for us your all idiots and i hope you get caught
Long Live The Scene
you make me laugh you nublet you cant just get into “The Scene” you have to have something to offer i.e. a dump site with TB’s of hdd space, a quick connection like gigabit. so shut up and download like all the other n00bs off TPB because you suck. also you have to offer some sort of skills i.e, encoding, getting hold of SCR’s, R5’s and in some cases cracking games
Well lets skip the trip down memory lane, the cat is out of the bag and all digital content can be copied and distributed for virtually nothing save for a few man hours and cpu cycles.
So give us an integrated tv and broadband solution with access to all content in really good quality that is perfectly legal and at a reasonable price after all one cannot watch everything at once.
Virate wrote: Always find it hilarious when the copyright infringers become proud of their release to the point they feel copyright infringed-upon when someone takes their torrent and uploads it elsewhere.
You’ve missed the point entirely. The “scene” groups don’t feel “infringed upon”. That’s NOT the issue. They simply want to remain anonymous. Security is a HUGE issue for them. They want their file sharing to remain in house and “underground”. They do NOT want the scrutiny that comes from their releases being shared on via P2P networks.
Let’s get a couple things straight.
The scene does not sell pirated content and was never designed to do so and they also do not like to see their hard work get spread to places as public as the famous “The Pirate Bay” that you all like. They do this for fun and for the thrill because racing a 8 gb file in 5 minutes is fun. Also the guy that said that the scene uses BitTorrent trackers to move files around is a complete idiot. The scene uses FXP to move files from one topsite to another and moving one file from one topsite to ten takes about 5-10 minutes. Like I said… do not hate the scene because without them you will not get any releases on all these famous “The Pirate Bay” and other crappy sites that take all the spotlight and put it on the scene.
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