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ISP Ordered To Hand Over Records of Pirate Customers

Several studios are currently taking legal action against Australian ISP iiNet. They accuse iiNet of failing to take steps to stop its subscribers from sharing files by disconnecting them from the Internet. Now iiNet has been ordered to hand over the personal details and logs relating to twenty alleged pirates, to anti-piracy group AFACT.

The battle between several studios – Village Roadshow, Universal Pictures, Warner Bros Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, Disney Enterprises, Inc. and the Seven Network (under the umbrella of AFACT), against Australian ISP iiNet continues to drag on. AFACT had demanded that iiNet disconnected alleged copyright infringers but the ISP refused.

Earlier we reported how AFACT had got an individual to sign up as an iiNet customer and commit a kind of ‘authorized copyright infringement’ in order to gather evidence on alleged pirates. AFACT then complained to iiNet of this individual’s ‘infringements’ but iiNet took no action against him, boosting the claims that the ISP knew about piracy, but did nothing about it.

Now, according to an iTNews report, iiNet has been ordered by Australia’s Federal Court to hand over the records of twenty ‘pirate’ customers. The information will include IP addresses allocated to these individuals and their “download histories” – it is far from clear what these records will consist of or how detailed they are.

The information will be used as evidence in the case, but fortunately for these twenty individuals, information which personally identifies them will be removed. The disclosures could’ve been even greater in number, since Steve Dalby from iiNet told iTnews that AFACT originally wanted the details from 300-400 customer accounts to be handed over.

An AFACT spokesman confirmed that several of the twenty accounts had been nominated by the anti-piracy group since these were tracked transferring material by their investigator.

Executive Director of AFACT Adrianne Pecotic commented, “We are confident that the sample of twenty accounts ordered by the Court to be provided by iiNet will be more than adequate to illustrate the infringing behaviour of iiNet’s subscribers.”

On the other side, iiNet has voiced concern that so far AFACT has refused to hand over documents which would reveal if it made copyright-related demands such as those outlined in this case to ISPs other than iiNet. Steve Dalby of iiNet said they were trying to work out why AFACT and its Hollywood paymasters had chosen to pick on one Australian ISP to take action.

“AFACT hasn’t told us what it is we didn’t do; they have simply said we didn’t take reasonable steps to stop copyright infringement on our network. What we’re trying to understand is what arrangements are defined as reasonable,” iiNet’s Dalby told iTnews.

“There are 400 ISPs operating in Australia. If we were expected to take specific actions that nobody else is required to undertake, we would argue that is quite unreasonable. So we are asking AFACT the question while under the confidentiality of the court – what agreements do you have with other ISPs?”

iNet will get their way on this request, as the court has ruled that the ISP can see any “form of demand” AFACT has served on other ISPs in Australia.

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  • Anonymous

    First!! :D

    I’m in Australia and i can say i would instantly leave my isp is they ever agreed to hand over any of my records.

  • speedzor

    Pathetic, nothing more to add

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  • David

    I love iiNet. They stand up to a lot of shit.

    They stepped up to the plate and basically told the government to shove its internet censor up its ass, and now its standing up against the anti-torrenters.

    I know they are doing it for themselves, but its nice to see a company that doesn’t succumb to pressure.

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  • UltraLeetJ

    well, quite irnoic and funny. Its like the studios are getting people to prove something others may not have been doing. Its like we’ll pay a white mmiddle aged man to go and rape and murder families in order to try to demounstrate that the white race is very dangerous on this city at least. ABSURD! if the industry wants to prove that copyright infringement is indeed done, then prove it, don’t pay others to fake it! again, more bullying to imaginable lengths! i’m loosing more respect for you, pathetic industry, now more than ever! Each action counts.. I dislike and distrust you more and more by the second

  • joeblog

    http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25666/127/

    People shouldn’t jump to conclusion. This is old news.

    read this
    http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25666/127/

  • Alun

    If someone steals some music by using the internet then surely the police should be able to get a search warrant to raid the ISP, and then get another search warrant to raid the thieves home.

    All the artist has to do is show where the music was stolen from and prove that it has actually gone.

    Of course since the music is still there it cant have been stolen. All that has happened is that someone has made a recording of a sound that was sold by the artist.
    Using the studios logic I should be prosecuted for stealing Big Ben because I made a poor quality digital recording of it using my trusty cameraphone.

  • Grok

    When will these buffoons actually learn about law?

  • Anonymous

    That’s Australia they are even more anal about copywright than even the U.S.

  • michael

    taking something from somebody that they still retain isnt stealing, its copying. ;)

  • Anonymous

    @9 There thousands of civil court cases against allege pirates every month and a IP address and a timestamp is enough in the US.

    This is not the case in Australia yet.

  • manky goes to bollywood

    cool story bro :)

  • iShare

    <3 j00 iiNet, don’t give in and you will have a customer for life. :) (or until I give up with the bs and move)

  • Holly

    This is why I prefer Internode, I’m a little confused on some of iiNet’s plans, they should of seen it coming when they announced how stupid the filtering plan was, and how they were going to show it’s not possible.

    So what did conroy do? Denied them access from the trial lol, it’s good iinet stands up every now and again, but a little more thought into their plan would be wise.

  • anon2

    as previously stated, until the copyright industry/groups/ RIAA etc are in complete control of the internet, including ALL ISPS, they are not going to be happy. it is not the fact that they are or are not losing anything that concerns them, it is simply the fact that they cant tell who is doing what on the internet, when they are doing it and what is being used, what web sites are being visited etc, etc. if they were in control of p2p and file sharing and were then making money from it, so all downloads were being paid for, again they would be happy. everyone is supposed to pay for everything!! they would force any and all companies using this type of tech to sell out to them so they didn’t lose a penny. torrent for example is, basically, open source, free to all. if they owned it, controlled it and were making money from it, they would moan if the number of downloads was not high enough!! this picking on one isp here is typical. if they get the result they want, then they will start on the others. enough is never going to be enough for them. total control only is what they are after and the world’s governments are giving in to them, on the back of millions in bribes. quite easy to forget that it is the people that not only put governments where they are but also put companies and organisations where they are as well and it is people that can bring them down. it just takes a big enough push to get started!!

  • TSM

    @#8 Umm exactly how are we more anal about copyright than the US when it’s the US having a whinge & bitch about it, we’re the one’s standing up agaisnt them…

  • Visssss

    Good Job!!

  • Visssss

    Fìrst!!

  • Anonymous

    What will hapen if they claim that they don’t have such data and that they don’t know who was using these IP address at the time?

  • Anonymous

    Oh my god! 3 of my Mp3 file is missing! Shall I call the police?

  • Anonymous

    19 – Check your recycle bin. It they aren’t there, then call the police.

  • hello kitty

    Racists should be punished

  • JTK
  • c0rr0sive

    IMO, a good ISP should just stop keeping records of people that are “suspected” of being a pirate.. Or just not log anything what so ever.

  • Vypar

    I am an iiNet customer and I guarantee you now if my details are handed over to the Australian Federal Court I will leave iiNet automatically… But I believe the IP address info only contains download info rather than any personal details however that is still not good enough. This is truly a violation of human rights ie having an internet connection.

  • Comeoncomcast

    @6 So true!

    You cant accuse someone of stealing something that hasnt been stolen in the first place and if its still there lol =/

    I live in Aus and AFART are a joke no debating/arguing lol and I dont know what a list of IPs actually proves without evidence to the contrary If I was a judge they are just Numbers and any information brought before a (reasonable non-biased) court of law such as IPs should be ruled in-admissable without evidence of C.I. — which is impossible

    They are TorrentTerrorists =P lol

    and the filtering scheme with end up down the drain just like NetAlert(Google) Australia, NZ, and the US need better Data Protection laws like in the EU

  • whos to say

    that the 20 ips they are askin for wernt also people paid to share files also and if i dl something from sombody who is authosized to dl and share wouldnt that make my dl authorized also in a vauge sort of way. Thats like me offering to give you a copy of a book i woote then saying you are not allowed to have that and sueing you. Seems like a bunch of crap. If they give a person permission to do this but then say why didnt you stop them ugg

  • Johnny Rotten

    Oh tell them to take a hike!

  • Anonymous

    Afact can smoke my pole

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  • Ghostofchris

    Bloddy idiots. Wasting time and money. iiNet FTW

  • SomKen

    Is that AFACT they have to hand over the records?

  • Anonymous

    Just imagine the impact this would have – if people didn’t download what would the need for large plans be – they wouldnt be required theres only so much linux ISO’s and free stuff you can want.

    Therefore all plans over 10GB would be totally ignored which would massacre ISP profits, shutting them down, putting back to a few major players who will monopolise (again) and RIP the general public off instead…

    In the corporate world its the end user and the employee who gets screwed… why should it be any different for an artist to a blue collar worker doing $260 p/h an hour work but getting $20 p/h from the company.

    Just because the Internet allows us to get a little back they wanna take it away. F**K you AFACT, MPAA etc..

  • PirateLover

    fuckin copyright morons, god i hate these twits, they just trample all over people just so they can maintain their mile high piles of cash, hopefully one day we can legalise filesaring

  • hey zeus

    I love how these organizations come up with their o-so-clever abbreviations “AFACT”
    rofl nothing coming from them is “A Fact”

    they need to understand they are not the gate keepers anymore, everyone can become an artist and a creator now a days, thanks to truly the greatest invention.

  • Anonymous

    those copyright people, “they pretended to be an iinet customer then complained” and the isp did nothing about it. I used to work for an isp, I can tell you if they went by every complaint their jobs would be to use all their resources just to investigate alleged complaints, from an ex boyfriend or girlfriend, who says they think they’re doing something illegal.

  • Mr Innocent

    RE: 31

    If you discount the downloading of large files i.e : a couple of gig etc at a time where you need a fast connection of upwards of 10 – 20 meg then what do we or anyone else actually need these high bandwidth connections for ?

    does anyone actually know of anything outside maybe a torrent type file that actually needs that speed ?

    most tv streams across the net are what maybe 3 meg! most online games, well a whole family could use a 10 meg…so all those 40, 50, 100, 200 meg deals become useless as we wouldnt need them ;)

    Also this crap they are trying to bring in around various parts of europe, 3 strikes n ya out! have the isp’s even realised how much that is in losses to their customer client lists ? say your on the virgin 50 meg in the uk n you pay £50 per month….times that by thousands of people in the worst case scenario, just look at the ACS letters from a few weeks back and it wouldnt be that much of a jump…and that would just be virgin, what about the other isps out there who would suddenly lose internet customers due to them being banned from the net…so soon we would all be on 2meg connections and a customer base of around 100 people lol

    I don’t actually think these internet companies have added it up and thought about how much they would lose if these anti-torrent types got their own way.

    Just my 10 cents but think about it!

  • Pharaoh

    @1, 24: There’s a difference between ‘agreeing to hand over’ and ‘complying with a court order to hand over’. If AFACT get their way it won’t matter what ISP you’re on.

    But really, there is no such thing as ‘authorised copyright infringement’. If an agency that owns the copyrights, say AFACT, authorises someone to download or upload their stuff it is not, nor can it ever be argued that it is, infringement! If iiNet had disconnected that guy they would’ve been blowing off an innocent customer. Furthermore, if he uploaded a file with authorisation from the copyright holder then the download by the guy at the other end was no more illegal than buying music from a store instead of getting it straight from the label.

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  • Anonymous

    35 Jun 17, 2009 at 03:30 by Mr Innocent

    Try using Miro to find HD internet TV and see the size of the files which are in the range of 50~200 megabytes on average.

    Besides that you can have people trying to cure cancer transmitting a lot of data, educational institutions use a lot of bandwidth so do small business and people using cloud solutions backup in physical different regions to prevent natural catastrophe’s from destroying important data and the list could go on, none of this will be possible in the U.K.

  • Steve

    iiNet has *NOT* been ordered to hand over personal details.
    Just the opposite, they have been told to strip the personal details off information about internet activities before it is handed over.
    And…Holly … iiNet pulled out of the trial, Conroy did not remove tthem.
    C’mon guys read the original material, not the third hand reports of what someone *thinks* might have happened.

  • manky goes to bollywood

    cool story bro :) 

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  • I WIN!!!

    !!!!!!!! F 1 R 5 T !!!!!!!!

  • Yo Do Yo

    AFACT are proud sponsers of Demonoid

  • Cordelia

    Kudos on this ISP to stand up for its’ customers!

  • Mr Me

    **Last**

  • slava!

    couldn’t this be argued as a form of entrapment?

  • Dean

    #44 – slava:

    How exactly did AFACT “trick” them into breaking the law?

    I suggest you research the word “entrapment” before you use it in a sentence again.

  • SplishSplash

    Im going to set up my own ISP…only for me…

  • kos

    all the Australian public have to do to stop the anti piracy mob is hit the major internet hub it would effectively knock out the entire internet in Australia it would bring down banks stock exchanges you name it if relies on the net it will be effected remember the guy that cut the cable what chaos that caused …

  • reader #1

    #20 answer to #19 is some funny shit.Laughing my ass off! :)

  • cem1790

    the internet is about freedom, and assholes like AFACT, MPAA etc are trying to take that away from us.

    there are already enough “laws” that take away most of our freedoms. the internet is one of our last refuges, we cant let it go down because of the greedy c***s.

    anarchy against these losers i say.

  • AntiMAFIAA

    MAFIAA will get increased usage of anonymous networks, such as StegoShare or Freenet!

  • Anne
  • trancefreak

    49 – word
    !
    We should consider violent actions against IFPI!

  • Mr Innocent

    @37 yeah but all that stuff is official stuff not millions of people like us downloading various music, movie, game files etc…my point was the isps know what it used for and if people like us were not subscribing to their large net packages or we were banned from doing so then i rather think their profits would nose dive.

  • www.all-acronyms.com

    Why iiNet and not Optus or Telstra?

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