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Are You Guilty If Pirates Use Your Internet? Lawyer Says YES

Every month thousands of people are sued for allegedly sharing copyrighted material on BitTorrent. Many of the accused claim to be innocent, and point their finger at someone else who may have used their Internet connection to share the file. But does this mean they’re off the hook? Lawyer Marc Randazza believes not.

randazzaToday we publish two opinion pieces from copyright lawyers who are familiar with the mass-lawsuits against alleged BitTorrent users in the U.S.

Both lawyers discuss whether someone can be held liable for the copyright infringements committed by others on their Internet connection.

The opinion below comes from Marc Randazza, a lawyer who has sued thousands of BitTorrent users in recent months on behalf of copyright holders. His piece focuses mainly on the question of whether people who operate open WiFi networks are liable for the copyright infringements of others.

As much as we may disagree with his cases in this field, Randazza has always been gracious with his time when we have had questions about his and other cases.

We understand that our readers may not agree with Randazza either, but we ask that comments remain civil and respectful. He has been respectful to us, and we ask that readers treat him as our guest and take the opportunity for debate.

The other post in this series, which argues the opposite of Randazza, can be found here. We thank both Ranallo and Randazza for their contribution.

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Why Negligence in Torrent Cases?

I. Introduction – Is it illegal to leave your wifi open?

For a while, I have been bringing anti-torrent cases against defendants who have been illegally distributing my client’s movies. However, we recently began adding a negligence claim to the complaints – arguing that if you leave your wifi open, and someone uses it to pirate my client’s materials, you are at least partially responsible. In the wake of a recent judgment for $10,401.00 against a defendant in one of these cases, where the $10,000 was for the negligence claim, I have gotten quite a few inquiries from people asking if it is illegal to leave your wifi open.

I am pleased to report that there are no laws on the books, which affirmatively mandate that you must lock your wifi. However, there are civil claims that can make you liable for the infringements of others. That is what civil claims are for — to privatize certain legal issues. When there is a car accident, we don’t usually bring the prosecutors into it. The parties figure out who was negligent, and the negligent party pays the other party for its damages.

What it comes down to is whether the defendant had a part in the plaintiffs damages. So the question is not: “Is it illegal to have open wifi?” The correct question is: “Can you be held liable for what others do with your connection if you leave your WiFi open?” The answer to that is “yes you can.”

II. Negligence

The law of negligence has a long history, and it morphs over time. The unchanging elements of a negligence claim are:

* Duty – did the defendant have a duty?
* Breach – did the defendant breach that duty?
* Causation – was the breach the cause of the plaintiff’s damages?
* Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?

Whether or not there is a duty is where the most debate occurs. Whether or not there is a duty is a matter of law for the court to decide, and some courts have already endorsed the theory that there may be a duty to keep your wifi secured. In an ever-evolving legal landscape, legal duties are constantly updating with technology. In law school, we are introduced to this concept by reading the case called “The T.J. Hooper.” In that case, the plaintiffs shipped two barges full of cargo, there was a storm, the barges sank and the cargo was lost.

The defendants were the owners of the tugboats that were towing the barges. The plaintiffs claimed that since the tugboats did not have working radios that could have warned them about the storm, the tugboat operators were negligent. This was 1932, and radios were not required to be on the ships by any law. Furthermore, it was not common custom for commercial ships to have them at this point, and only one company on the whole Eastern Seaboard used them.

Judge Learned Hand wrote the opinion in this case, and he stated that it did not matter that there was no law mandating their use. It did not even matter that shipping companies generally did not have radios. Hand wrote that it is the province of the courts to decide whether a duty exists, and it is not up to the affected group to make that decision. In circumstances of evolving technology, the duty may change along with technology, even if common practice does not.

III. Application: Is leaving your wifi open “negligent”?

I believe that leaving your home wifi open is, indeed, negligent. Unlike the radios in the T.J. Hooper case, closed wifi connections are actually the norm. The vast majority of Americans recognize that leaving their wifi connection open is foolhardy and likely to lead to trouble. I have heard other lawyers compare leaving your wifi open to leaving a loaded gun lying around.  I think comparing open wifi to a loaded gun is overly melodramatic and hysterical.  However, the point is well taken – you are leaving the instrumentality of an illegal act out there for anyone to use.

While unlike leaving a gun around (nobody ever died from open wifi), I’d say leaving your home wifi open is more like leaving your keys in your car in your driveway.  Someone might just steal it, in which case the only person who gets hurt is you, right?

Wrong. 

The kind of person who would steal your car is probably the kind of person who would commit other crimes (or just do something stupid).  So if you leave your keys in your car, and someone takes it and drives it into someone’s fence, you’re at least partially responsible for the damage.  If the car thief runs off, who should pay for the damage? The fence owner or you? It would seem that between those two parties, you would be more responsible than the fence owner. You wouldn’t say that the fence owner should have built a better fence, would you?

That’s what negligence is:  It is the law saying “You really should have seen that coming.”  When you do something careless, and that carelessness costs someone else money, you pay the ”carelessness tax” – Negligence. 

And the kind of person who would steal wifi is more likely to steal something else, isn’t he?  So if you invite wifi theft by leaving your home network open, you’re more likely than not also inviting more.  

While there is no law requiring you to keep your wifi secured, the absence of a law is no refuge from the consequences of being careless. The existence of the duty is heightened by the fact that it is common knowledge that cyber criminals use open wifi networks to commit nefarious acts. Everyone has heard about the cases where purveyors of child pornography used open wifi connections to transmit their materials. Then, the poor saps who left them open are greeted by police raids.  

Is your wifi open?  I would bet it is not.  Mine certainly isn’t, and the reason why is not that I mind sharing with my neighbors.  If my neighbor needs my wifi for some reason, I have a guest network that I would share with him if he asks.  But, then if I get a subpoena for something he did, at least I know who to point the finger at.  I’m not willing to take that risk for someone who might just be cruising around in a car looking for an opportunity to commit a crime. 

IV. Other Benefits of Bringing the Negligence Claim

Bringing a negligence claim in a torrent case has some added benefits. It takes care of two classes of defendants:  The “it was some other guy” case, and the “if I lie about open wifi, you can’t get me” case.  

The Some Other Guy Case: When pressing these cases, I frequently talk to the IP account owner, and he says “It was my roommate, not me.” When someone gives me the “it was some other guy” defense, I would much rather go after the other guy. When the roommate gives up the other guy, I think that pressing a negligence claim against him is a bit mean-spirited, and I recommend dropping the negligence claim against a cooperative account holder.

However, if the account owner does not want to reveal the identity of the actual guilty party, then he is shielding the defendant and I have no qualms about making him a defendant too. In cases like that, I’m required to press the negligence claim, to get to the truth, and obtain proper compensation for my client. There is very little chance that a roommate will not know what is going on, and if they are supplying a connection to someone who is using that connection to steal from my client, then my client has a legal right to be compensated for its losses. If someone is concealing the direct infringer, then I find little wrong with holding that person responsible.  

The Open Wifi Liar: The unfortunate fact is that a common meme among the “IANAL, but I play one on torrent boards,” crowd is that any torrent suit can be won if you lie and tell the plaintiff that you had an open wifi.  I’ve caught even real licensed lawyers dispensing this “advice.”  (which is unethical)  There are even those who advocate leaving your wifi open on purpose, just so that you can have plausible deniability about anything that happens on your network.  I would say that one out of two defendants that I deal with initially claim “I had open wifi.” That winds up being a lie about 95 percent of the time   If they were all telling the truth, there would be free wifi coast to coast, and the age of wifi Aquarius would be upon us.   

So how do we move forward in these kinds of cases?  

Step 1: A relatively mild investigation and questioning of the potential defendant.  Most non-sociopaths are lousy liars and are easily tripped up. This step winds up shaking out a good percentage of the liars.  Often telling the “some other dude” account holder that we will move forward with the negligence claim gives them pause and they get the roommate on the phone. This is effective most of the time, but not 100%.  So what do we do then?  Move on to the next two options:

Option A: We engage in discovery, seize all of the computers in the house, issue subpoenas to everyone the account holder knows, and start having depositions of everyone who lives in their home and neighborhood.  By the time we’re done, we not only will likely have gotten to the bottom of things, we would have flipped the defendant’s entire life upside down.  While that might get us somewhere, I prefer not to be that heavy-handed if I can avoid it. 

Option B: Recognize that the open wifi story still leaves negligence liability on the table, so work with that. This gives us an avenue of liability with which to hold people responsible without turning their neighborhood upside down.

Ultimately, the negligence claim brings a lot of benefits. The downside is that occasionally, you catch someone who was simply merely careless. When that happens, my client is usually willing to use discretion and to settle rather lightly. Sometimes, when the defendant is particularly sympathetic, and it is clear that they are not lying, we have been willing to settle for little more than them filing a police report and agreeing to lock their wifi down.

V. Conclusion

I respect the perspective of those who don’t like the negligence claim.  They have every right to say that they disagree with the law. The owners of the T.J. Hooper didn’t think it was fair that they were held to a standard, which neither law nor custom required them to live up to. But, the court understood that sometimes, when you can take a pretty easy and cheap route to preventing harm, you may very well have a duty to do so. You can keep your wifi open if you like, and if nobody ever uses it for evil purposes, then you won’t ever be held negligent. Similarly, if the T.J. Hooper had only seen calm seas, its owners would have gotten away with not having radios.

Ultimately, it comes down to “what should you have done?” And, “if you don’t do it, and someone else loses, who should bear the cost?” It may seem unfair to some, but if you consider that my client is losing money, and the open-wifi-guy (even if he wasn’t one of the liars) contributes to that loss, who should bear the cost? Between him and my client, I think it should be him.

Furthermore, this claim really helps to shake out some of the more dishonest people, who deserve to get sued.  Therefore, I stand behind bringing the negligence claims, and I think that the good outweighs the bad.  

VI. Epilogue

Let me conclude by thanking Ernesto and the TorrentFreak community for this opportunity to share the marketplace of ideas with you all. Wide open and robust debate on matters of public concern is what the First Amendment is all about. I recognize that this is not a friendly forum for my positions, but nobody ever grew or learned anything from just shouting into an echo chamber.

I respect dissenting opinions. I think there is room for healthy disagreement on most items, and I am not unaware that this negligence claim is controversial.

The fact is, I have a job to do, and I’m going to do it for my client to the utmost of my ability.  My engagement letter with my clients does say that I will withdraw from representation if they want me to take action that will cause harm to the First Amendment.  But other than that, my client is entitled to the full menu of legal theories that I can come up with. Anything less would be unethical on my part.  

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  • Fin

    You are in the same pool as people who give parking tickets and the tax collectors, however, unlike the tax man you don’t serve a common good, you are self serving and work for a group of distributors who having taken advantage of artists for centuries and are now trying to crush peoples basics rights left right and centre.

    The world moves too slow so i appreciate someone would be making money by helping the industry sue fans until sharing is finally legal, so it may as well be you and I don’t hold it against you.

    However, long term, sharing will continue, artists will continue, just the disproportionate level of wealth awarded to the most successfully marketted and the publishers will be distributed more evenly.

    Enjoy it whilst you can because ultimately you and I both know the big $’s are losing fast.

    • Anonymous

      Well this lawyer seems to like the following kind of arguments:

      It is clear your honor that she got raped because of her indecent clothing!

      • Anonymous

        More slut walks awaits it seems. We do love our sluts but don’t hurt them.

      • http://twitter.com/icanhazsake Ninja

        My thoughts. Although he does explain and provide proper arguments to his point of view it doesn’t make them all valid. Simply because maybe what seems logic doesn’t apply well in reality. The part of being negligent for having an open wifi is an example. There are ppl who are too tech-stupid to properly configure a router.

        Btw, nice job TF. It’s good to see both sides of the coin like this.

  • Flagg12092

    Thanks for bringing your opinion to us in such a thorough way. I’m sure many of us will read it and consider it properly, not just dismiss it out of hand.

    I suspect that those of us who read this and try to understand it will not take issue with the specific legal points you raise, but with the underlying premise: that your client is actually losing money in these cases. You’re using the ‘an illicit download equals a lost sale’ mantra that has been bandied about by the content industries for a long time now. If you have actual evidence of that, I’d like to see it.

    • Guest

      The mantra is not necessarily an illegal download is a lost sale, it is the fundamental right in copyright, the right to exclude others from copying the work. And you get that right, under the copyright laws, when you create the work in order to incentivize its creation. It’s not about it being a lost sale, it’s that it devalues the exclusive right. By infringing that exclusive right of the copyright holder you face liability. Not that you are stealing. Does that make it better in your mind? Didn’t think so.

      • Zig

        By creating a digital version of any work, the rights holder actually ‘devalues’ the exclusive right themselves, because in doing so they have removed the traditional value associated with artificial scarcity. That is, traditionally it was not trivial for an end user to make their own copy, whereas with digital media and the technology which has existed for the past 20 years, making a copy costs virtually zero (except for one or two minor time-related and energy-related overheads).

      • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

        Thanks for the actual evidence. Eye-opening.

      • Ryzzo

        Copyright was originally put in place to make sure others didn’t have the right to copy a work and (here’s the part that seems to get lost in translation) SELL IT.

        I can’t speak for everyone, but downloading helps me decide what to spend my money on. In my case, and as several studies have shown, downloading leads to increased sales, not lost sales. If I’m on the fence about a movie or a video game, I try it, and if I like it, I buy it. So it’s very understandable that the community here would take issue with the regurgitation of the “mantra” once again being the underlying basis for these law suits. The fundamental flaw in these lawsuits is that there is a perception of damages in the first place. The fact that studies have shown that downloaders are the ones spending the majority of the money on content essentially makes torrents free advertising. Since there has never been a study to show that there is actually a financial loss to the content owners by downloading, it would follow that the law suits are not to stop this loss but rather to generate income through the pay up or else model. This is where I find the lack of ethics.

      • Anon

        I disagree. Copyright law was never intended for this purpose. To steal from someone is to deprive them of their original possession, preventing them from it’s use. Copying a digital arrangement of ones and zeros certainly does not deprive the owner of their original work. The fundamental right in copyright that you mention is and should be declared as unconstitutional because all it really does is grant the rights holder a monopoly on a particular arrangement of bits. The true intent of copy right law as envisioned by it’s creators when they wrote it is something quite different entirely.

  • Charon

    First of thank you for the article. I heartily disagree with the negligence idea as it seems to me to be a very good way of suing just about anybody as due to our very nature, we are going to be negligent of a few things. I’d also suggest the car analogy is a little over the top.. more akin to a bicycle, but then, you’re not likely to have the same extent of damage to the fence. Then again, in the UK you can sue the council if the pavement is crooked and you trip over it, I don’t agree with that either.

    But a couple of side questions if you don’t mind:
    Regardless of the legality of some one taking a digital copy of your clients work, how do you work out or justify the associated costs?

    Some of the figures we hear coming out of the courts are phenomenal and seem to bear no relation to what one person would pay to see the film / buy the DVD and or blueray disc.
    Even if you take into account the upload (if the file sharing is done by bit torrent) it seems rather excessive when you see millions of dollars awarded. File sharing is very seldom done for monetary gain and yet a street vendor selling knock off dvd’s of a movie seems to get a far lesser penalty than a file sharer.

    As of yet never seen a satisfactory study showing how your clients would be losing monies?

    I’ve seen studies that show file sharers are often the larger market for going to the cinema and buying film and music and studies that show that file sharing is an excellent platform for promotion and distribution (Norwegian online TV, UK’s BBC iplayer, Skype, spotify, et al)

    I realize this is not your case (or I don’t think it is) but how does one justify an extradition of a UK citizen from the UK to the US ? It seems overly disproportionate to the acts (TVshack is the case I’m referring) His website was dedicated to providing links..
    I can point some one towards the red light district, am I responsible for that person getting an STD?

    Or I direct some one to a shop and they get mugged, or a restaurant. and they get food poisoning

    Because that’s how far I can see the negligence cases going … and it would be a sad state of affairs for things to really come to that stage.

    Thanks

    • None

      I guess the thing that seems most like a stretch regarding the negligence claim as conveyed by the tugboat example is the obvious fact that the tugboats were doing paid work. I suppose if something goes wrong while youre being paid to do a task it might be chalked up as negligence in some situations. I don’t see how this would apply to home Internet users. Doesn’t seem like you can pull “duty” out of a hat when you’re talking about someone’s home Internet they pay for privately. Unless you’re charging your friends and visitors for access, this whole justification seems like a grasp at some straws. I have no “duty” when I’m on my own time and not being paid to have a said duty by someone else. And even then, I’d think the only persons who can go after you for negligence are the persons who paid you to perform a duty when something went wrong.

      For lawyers being regarded as intelligent, they sure do cobble together some questionable (at best) theories.

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  • Shaizan0

    Cant wait for people to start suing all those grannies who can barely use a pc as it is.

    • Mike

      They already are doing that lol.

      • Guest

        Yep.

  • Shaizan0

    Cant wait for people to start suing all those grannies who can barely use a pc as it is.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

    If open wi-fi it would result in more extortion money, I’m 100% sure that Randazza would come up with twisted arguments defending it.

    The problem with con artists like him (and with many lawyers in general) is that they think that logic with carefully hidden, strategically placed fallacies and small lies is convincing. It is not. Because it works in courtrooms, where those more skilled in sophistry win, they think that they can actually convince. No, they can’t, they confuse convinced recipients of their “logic” with annoyed ones.

    So now with trolling cases they projected their “impeccable” logic to general public, and general public replied expectedly: “bullshit”.

    Trolls, you need either wake up, or continue your delusional arguments with your kin, but leave us people alone. Karma is a serious businessman.

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

    A small question: why while bringing a negligence point, your buddy Gill Sperlein had to lie? http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2011/06/23/deception-in-court-part-ii-non-existent-requirement-in-att-tos/. Maybe he feels that his arguments are too weak?

    • Forrest Gump

      “It’s such a shame that we live in a world where free access to the internet for all is quickly becoming a crime…”

      Thats exactly the reason why I always get headache when reading such statements from layers. its really a shame, sharing internet connection is not a crime. it is simply wrong to think that the internet can pnly be abused and not be used. (same analogy as for cars, etc)

  • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

    A small question: why while bringing a negligence point, your buddy Gill Sperlein had to lie? http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2011/06/23/deception-in-court-part-ii-non-existent-requirement-in-att-tos/. Maybe he feels that his arguments are too weak?

  • http://insearchoftheultimateprogramming.blogspot.com/ Mathnerd314

    Doesn’t the DMCA’s “Safe Harbor” provision mean that the owner of the router cannot be held liable as a “service provider”?

    • gae

      I could see that bieng a good point if you leave your wifi open purposely.

    • Anonymous

      That’s what I was wondering. What’s the difference between providing open WiFi and being an ISP? When, exactly, does allowing internet access start making you responsible for the actions of people who access the internet through you?

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    “if you leave your wifi open, and someone uses it to pirate my client’s materials, you are at least partially responsible”

    if this is the case, then surely EVERY “hacker” thats taken down the cia / paypal etc recently shouldnt take all the blame and more than half the blame should be placed on the comapnies thes,elves for leaving such an area open for attack. and if they do work on the basis that if the consumer leaves their wifi open then it shoudl also be soem fault of the isp and router maker for not giving the right protection especially for those consumers who dont have a degree of high level of knowledge with computers.

    • http://twitter.com/rabbitkillrun Sean Gordon

      The world (the UK at least, where I live) is increasingly becoming a blame culture. As someone else has mentioned, if you trip over a wonky pavement, you can sue the council for disproportionate amounts of compensation (which then means they have less money to do their jobs, such as, you know, mending pavements, but that’s another point). I have to agree completely with your idea that, using Randazza’s logic, the paypal etc are to blame for the problems caused to them by hackers, and the pentagon/CIA are to blame for Gary McKinnon for being able to access their files. You can put the blame on anyone using this so-called “negligence” argument, and when it comes to legal battles, the rich tend to win as ordinary people cannot afford the same level of legal trickery that the larger companies can.

      The whole thing sickens me.

      • Danny

        His logic is flawed.

        I like the comments about the child pornography downloading and open wifi. If that was the case the police would be expected to work out who was downloading the porn and the open wifi owner would not be prosecuted.

        There is one provision in the DEA that takes care of the open wifi issue.
        In the UK if you run an open wifi you are considered a service provider and as such are bound by the DEA fortunately only service providers with over 400,000 subscribers can be held liable for actions on their network as it would be too costly for the smaller service providers to invest in the technology to filter out any legal file sharing.

  • 127684uzjk

    The two articles on the front page have the wrong titles. The one that says we think so says “believes not” and vice versa.

    *correction*

  • R.

    While I disagree that leaving one’s WiFi open should amount to negligence, I would like to thank-you for such a well written and reasoned argument.

    The problem with the negligence claim is that the standard of reasonable care depends on the defendant. The vast majority of people have no understanding of wifi router configuration and leave them on the default settings, be them open or otherwise. If a jeweler is not expected to have the same understanding of sterilization a doctor would, (Phillips v Williams Whiteley Ltd) how can we expect the average consumer to understand how to configure a router?

    Similarly, the use of WEP (which is trivially easy to break) would be negligent for any network administrator. But for the average consumer who has never heard of WEP and WPA, let alone appreciates their differences, it is unreasonable to think that it not afford protection against a claim in negligence.

  • Board Admin

    First, thanks for your thoughts.

    But I was missing all the time the fourth point of your little list:

    * Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?

    How do you or your clients proof:
    1) that there has been a damage caused by the defendant?
    2) if so, how much has it been? any evidences?

  • Forrest Gump

    First, thanks for your thoughts.

    But I was missing all the time the fourth point of your little list:

    * Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?

    How do you or your clients proof:
    1) that there has been a damage caused by the defendant?
    2) if so, how much has it been? any evidences?

    • Forrest Gump

      This is a major question in my eyes, because this is the whole basis for the negligence cases, no?
      an answer would be appreciated.

  • Tru

    So basically if someone steals my car and hits someone with it I am at fault ?

    • Forrest Gump

      The question is, if you forgot the keys in the open car or if someone forced you to give him your keys with a gun for example. your comment is not relevant. sorry

      • Tru

        Actually it is, if my car is on my property? Where is the requirement for me to keep it locked ? If you invade my property to steal I should not be held liable for your actions.

        • Forrest Gump

          ask your car insurance … =/
          they will tell you the difference.

        • Anonymous

          I was a bit thrown off by Forrest Gump’s previous reply to you, but after his latest one I must say that he’s right. In regards to police, if your car was stolen then you’re exempt from guilt and can’t be held liable for the actions of whoever stole your car. As per your insurance company though, that’d be another story. If you left the keys in the car they’ll say it’s your problem. If someone hot wired it though, they’d say okay we’ll cover it. I’m sure it’s not as simple as that, but that’s me overly simplifying it.

        • gae

          Similarly, the article refers to people leaving their wifi open as having it stolen, which is not going to be the case if you left it unsecured on purpose for whatever reason and somebody using an open connection may not necessarily be stealing the connection especially as there are no laws governing the security of your home wifi.
          Therefore I would have to disagree about the idea of negligence, especially considering many places openly advertise their unsecured wifi as a service they offer customers or the public.

      • Tru

        Actually it is, if my car is on my property? Where is the requirement for me to keep it locked ? If you invade my property to steal I should not be held liable for your actions.

  • TNSe

    Sure, the logic is all fine if you think of WiFi as a transportation container (ie, car), but WiFi is more similar to a road. If I build a private road to connect 2 roads together to make a shortcut, and a bank robber decides to use that road, I am not liable nor negligent for the bank robbers action.

    In addition, you seem to think that everyone who leaves WiFi open doesn’t want to share. If I want to SHARE my WiFi with people, and they abuse my trust, I am not liable for what they did. That would be the same as those people using my shortcut road for drug trafficking.

    So what this means, is that the entire basis of argumentation of this lawyer is based on a false premise, and probably only succeeds because the Judges do not know enough about the technology of the case they are handling.

    • Guest

      “In addition, you seem to think that everyone who leaves WiFi open doesn’t want to share. If I want to SHARE my WiFi with people, and they abuse my trust, I am not liable for what they did. ”

      except that you are liable. the wifi router is your property and you indeed CAN be held liable for the actions of others that have taken place upon your property.

      • TNSe

        Incorrect. That would mean that anyone owning a private road would be liable if that road was used for transporting illegal goods. That means that UPC would be liable if they transported copyrighted materials. Cellphone carriers would be liable if you called in a bomb threat. For some reason, none are liable as long as they act in good faith. This also applies to WiFi.

        Mainly they dare push legal charges against WiFi owners because they can find a person that owns it (again, IP != person, but they seem to incorrectly think so). People are easy targets compared to companies. Scare them and they pay up.

        If any case gets ever gets finished where a WiFi is in the center of attention, the person owning the WiFi will go free. No lawyer is interested in causing such a precedent. So they will first give you a big settlement offer, and the further it goes, the lower the settlement offer will be. So eventually it will become settled, as they know they will lose at the end. (Except if the judge is paid or incredibly clueless about the technology)

      • TNSe

        Incorrect. That would mean that anyone owning a private road would be liable if that road was used for transporting illegal goods. That means that UPC would be liable if they transported copyrighted materials. Cellphone carriers would be liable if you called in a bomb threat. For some reason, none are liable as long as they act in good faith. This also applies to WiFi.

        Mainly they dare push legal charges against WiFi owners because they can find a person that owns it (again, IP != person, but they seem to incorrectly think so). People are easy targets compared to companies. Scare them and they pay up.

        If any case gets ever gets finished where a WiFi is in the center of attention, the person owning the WiFi will go free. No lawyer is interested in causing such a precedent. So they will first give you a big settlement offer, and the further it goes, the lower the settlement offer will be. So eventually it will become settled, as they know they will lose at the end. (Except if the judge is paid or incredibly clueless about the technology)

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “except that you are liable. the wifi router is your property and you indeed CAN be held liable for the actions of others that have taken place upon your property.”

        No, not at all. If I own a piece of property and choose not to actively throw out campers or trespassers then I am STILL not liable by law to ensure that people I neither know nor care about were dealing drugs on said property.

        Owning an open wifi connection is the equivalent of keeping a thousand-acre square of land. You are certainly not obligated to patrol that land nor are you being guilty of anything should someone decide to set up a temporary meth lab or kill someone on it. In fact, which is where the size comparison comes into play – you are generally unable to keep either a wifi or a large stretch of land under supervision.

        Any law giving you third-party culpability for actions committed on your networks by other people is a law which basically makes owning a wifi illegal in itself.

        You see, whether open or shut no one is capable of guarding a wifi connection against intrusion since the protocols being used for wifi “security” can be circumvented in under half an hour unless the user of said wifi is a knowledgeable system administrator capable of configuring and maintaining his router.

        Unbiased tests have shown that roughly half existing wifi routers in a metropolitan area which are considered “secure” can be cracked by an automatic script in less than two minutes.

        Going after wifi owners is nothing more than artificially creating a convenient scapegoat since the actual perpetrator may be hard to catch.

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “except that you are liable. the wifi router is your property and you indeed CAN be held liable for the actions of others that have taken place upon your property.”

        No, not at all. If I own a piece of property and choose not to actively throw out campers or trespassers then I am STILL not liable by law to ensure that people I neither know nor care about were dealing drugs on said property.

        Owning an open wifi connection is the equivalent of keeping a thousand-acre square of land. You are certainly not obligated to patrol that land nor are you being guilty of anything should someone decide to set up a temporary meth lab or kill someone on it. In fact, which is where the size comparison comes into play – you are generally unable to keep either a wifi or a large stretch of land under supervision.

        Any law giving you third-party culpability for actions committed on your networks by other people is a law which basically makes owning a wifi illegal in itself.

        You see, whether open or shut no one is capable of guarding a wifi connection against intrusion since the protocols being used for wifi “security” can be circumvented in under half an hour unless the user of said wifi is a knowledgeable system administrator capable of configuring and maintaining his router.

        Unbiased tests have shown that roughly half existing wifi routers in a metropolitan area which are considered “secure” can be cracked by an automatic script in less than two minutes.

        Going after wifi owners is nothing more than artificially creating a convenient scapegoat since the actual perpetrator may be hard to catch.

  • RIAAtarded

    How are they arguing and winning this point. There is no retail router you can buy from any big box store that can’t be broken even if it is locked down. As a consumer most don’t know how to lock it down is problem #1. Even those that do if they knew how easy they were to get into they wouldn’t bother. WEP can be cracked in minutes. WPA is longer but most folks use a common words or names for there router password which can easily be hacked with a dictionary attack. Plus there are very few hardware manufactures that don’t make the username on the thing static so if i want to hack it i’m 1/2 way there.. Plus which router has the capacity to properly log and notify you of my attempts to break in? Which ones will ipfilter attempts automatically? none that I’m aware of only proper solution is to use a PC with a firewall on it to get the coverage you need and who needs or wants thats as an average consumer? All these issues are just local within the range of your wifi radios. What about dns rebinding attacks, backdoors etc..

    Long and short of it is unless they have proof of the file on your PC there is no way they should be allowed to sue you. IP address is not a person nor should that correlation ever be made.

  • RIAAtarded

    How are they arguing and winning this point. There is no retail router you can buy from any big box store that can’t be broken even if it is locked down. As a consumer most don’t know how to lock it down is problem #1. Even those that do if they knew how easy they were to get into they wouldn’t bother. WEP can be cracked in minutes. WPA is longer but most folks use a common words or names for there router password which can easily be hacked with a dictionary attack. Plus there are very few hardware manufactures that don’t make the username on the thing static so if i want to hack it i’m 1/2 way there.. Plus which router has the capacity to properly log and notify you of my attempts to break in? Which ones will ipfilter attempts automatically? none that I’m aware of only proper solution is to use a PC with a firewall on it to get the coverage you need and who needs or wants thats as an average consumer? All these issues are just local within the range of your wifi radios. What about dns rebinding attacks, backdoors etc..

    Long and short of it is unless they have proof of the file on your PC there is no way they should be allowed to sue you. IP address is not a person nor should that correlation ever be made.

    • gae

      There is also the issue that at the moment you are freely allowed to leave your network unsecured for all to access and that is I expect where it gets a bit more complicated with regards to the negligence issue.

      • Charon

        That kind of puts coffee shops like Starbucks and numerous pubs and hotels that advertise free wifi at risk. Sure they are war driving targets anyway, but how often do you see them getting sued? I’ve not heard of a case yet..

        But then that could mean Taking on some one with slightly more money than your average home user …

        • Josh C

          These guys are betting on one of two things when they start a law suit like this – 1) the computer user is dumb as bricks, so they have no idea what the letter is talkig about and 2) they don’t have enough money to go through with the lawsuit and just settle out, giving them money and leaving you bankrupt.

        • Ven

          What we are seeing now are cases that attempt to build precedent. Once it is established that courts will say open wifi is not a defense, they can go after commercial companies that offer it with a far greater chance of success.

      • RIAAtarded

        Still don’t think with how the law in the US is that this qualifies as negligence. Negligence is a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances.
        http://wigle.net/gps/gps/main/stats/
        Numbers speak for themselves only 54% are secure. There is a fair percentage of unknown as well but 23% of them not. With those number if only 1/2 the people do it and the other 1/2 don’t the claim of negligence would be hard to prove. Plus if your running that route the hardware manufactures should be held accountable as well. They could write the firmware in such a way that secure login are mandatory as well as wifi setup. That way at least the casual users couldn’t exploit the connection without the owner knowledge. That will never happen of course because these scams seek to exploit you further.

  • Anonymous

    I did read the entire article, but he seriously lost me when he said “When there is a car accident, we don’t usually bring the police into it. The parties figure out who was negligent, and the negligent party pays the other party for its damages.”

    Sorry, but from my experience and what I’ve seen happen to others and just overall in general, when you get into a car accident you DO usually bring the police into it. Otherwise, both parties will blame the other. One might try and drive off. Etc. The police come in, take statements from both parties (and any witnesses if there are any) and then determine who was at fault for the accident. At which point they file a report, which you are then able to get from the local police department and give to your insurance company (assuming you have one, which in my state is required by law) so they can pay out (if it’s your fault) or they can file a claim on your behalf (if it’s the other guys).

    The only times I’ve seen someone not want to get the police involved was when they didn’t have any insurance (which happened to me once, the other guy didn’t have it), when they’ve got a warrant out for their arrest (and thus want to avoid bringing in the cops), when they’re under the influence, etc. Basically, when they’ve got something to hide or are breaking the law.

    Interesting article nonetheless, but that one part made me think that this guy might not entirely know what he’s talking about. If you don’t understand the basics of a car accident I must seriously question whether or not you understand something as complex as to the culpability of having an open wi-fi connection. (At least without having some kind of personal stake in it. And if you’re itching to prove a person guilty just for having open wi-fi, then you’ve got a personal stake and that means your point of view may be, and probably is, skewed.)

    • Guest

      Actually, I very much prefer to admit my guilt than involve the police. First of all, this way I don’t get a fine and/or penalty points, and don’t lose time going to the police HQ.

      • Anonymous

        Well, that’s you. But locally from every accident I’ve seen, the police do get involved. If you are clearly at fault, then fine, by all means, admit guilt. Hand over your information. Etc. But in most cases, guilt isn’t always clear. And insurance companies still like police reports for their purposes.

        The accident I was in which involved the person with no insurance was my fault. I was switching lanes and they came up in my blind spot. They were however speeding, which may be why I didn’t see them at first as I switched lanes. The man attempted to “settle” then and there. Well, by sheer coincidence the accident happened right next to the police station. An officer came over and had me move my car, then talked to us both. At which point the officer told me to leave, I was 17 at the time and was of course thrown off by that. I asked if I was getting a ticket or what about my insurance. He then informed me that the other driver did not have a driver’s license, nor did anyone in the vehicle, they had no insurance, the vehicle had expired tags, etc. He said, “They can’t even report it to an insurance company. To be honest, they’re not going anywhere. I’m going to give the driver several tickets and then impound his vehicle.” I said well he wanted me to settle and the cop laughed. He said, “Of course, he wanted whatever you have on you at the moment, but he’s screwed now. You lucked out, now he’s in serious trouble. Get to work, kid.” And I took off.

        I lost all of 5 minutes “going to the police” (although technically, the police came to me), didn’t get a fine, etc. I’ve been in one other accident since then, same thing. 5 minutes of my time, no ticket/fine, etc. I had to go in to a police station on an entirely different matter about a year later and while talking to them my record came up, the officers checked and then told me I had nothing on my record in any local city, which impressed them and further helped me out in regards to the situation I was asked to come in for. (Someone was spreading ridiculous rumors about me and reporting me to the police and they just wanted to talk and clarify things.)

        So from my personal experience and the experiences of my mother, brother, various other family members and friends, etc. You don’t lose time or get fines/tickets. Well, not true, one friend did get a ticket, but so did the other driver. My friend was speeding and the other driver ran a stop sign. And it was during bad weather, so the cop did it to teach them both to a lesson, because as they crashed they both narrowly missed hitting a van full of kids. (None of the kids in the van was older than 10, and there were like 8 kids in the van, plus the adult driver.)

      • Anonymous

        That is just f__king stupid! You do not ever admit guilt…

  • Anonymous

    I did read the entire article, but he seriously lost me when he said “When there is a car accident, we don’t usually bring the police into it. The parties figure out who was negligent, and the negligent party pays the other party for its damages.”

    Sorry, but from my experience and what I’ve seen happen to others and just overall in general, when you get into a car accident you DO usually bring the police into it. Otherwise, both parties will blame the other. One might try and drive off. Etc. The police come in, take statements from both parties (and any witnesses if there are any) and then determine who was at fault for the accident. At which point they file a report, which you are then able to get from the local police department and give to your insurance company (assuming you have one, which in my state is required by law) so they can pay out (if it’s your fault) or they can file a claim on your behalf (if it’s the other guys).

    The only times I’ve seen someone not want to get the police involved was when they didn’t have any insurance (which happened to me once, the other guy didn’t have it), when they’ve got a warrant out for their arrest (and thus want to avoid bringing in the cops), when they’re under the influence, etc. Basically, when they’ve got something to hide or are breaking the law.

    Interesting article nonetheless, but that one part made me think that this guy might not entirely know what he’s talking about. If you don’t understand the basics of a car accident I must seriously question whether or not you understand something as complex as to the culpability of having an open wi-fi connection. (At least without having some kind of personal stake in it. And if you’re itching to prove a person guilty just for having open wi-fi, then you’ve got a personal stake and that means your point of view may be, and probably is, skewed.)

  • Guest

    are you guilty if someone steals your car and crashes it into the front of a building? no, even if you leave the keys in the car running

    • Forrest Gump

      see our comments above, for the police, no you are not guilty. but when it comes to payments and insurances, it will be checked how much action you took to prevent this happen.
      like the author said, its not about legal cases, its about negligence cases.

      • Anonymous

        No, no, no. The insurance only looks at how much they have to give you back on your car. The damages on the fence or house are for whoever stole the car, not even his insurance. And maybe, the person who owns the house can TRY to sue you for negligence. But i doubt it.

      • None

        Forrest, you’re missing the point. Insurance won’t reimburse you for your stolen car if you were negligent in securing it. It means you can’t claim on your car for the cost of replacement against your insurance co.

        You CAN however hold the person who stole it responsible, and so can the fence owner. I don’t see why you think rendering an insurance claim invalid equates to civil lawsuit liability. You can’t get your car paid for by your insurance, no. But the fence owner certainly has no claim against the car owner as the car owner wasn’t driving the stolen car. That’s just insane.

  • rde

    The reference to TJ Hooper is, I think, a specious one; there are many, many differences between the two cases. In the case of the missing radios, there was an obvious benefit to having the radios, but none (other than cost saving) in not having them. The wifi situation is much more nuanced; one can leave one’s wifi open for the common good (as implied by the ‘age of Aquarius’ crack). One can accept that it will occasionally be used for nefarious purposes (for a given definition of ‘nefarious’), but believe — and with good reason — that overall more good is done than harm.

    I’d argue (from a logical, not legal POV) that irrespective of the true good/harm ratio, the owner could act in good faith and with a reasonable expectation that there actions were in for the common good. Giving a neighbour the wherewithal to download Sucker Punch might be unfortunate, but is by no means negligent. And anyway, watching Sucker Punch should be punishment enough.

  • Henrik Eriksson

    “And the kind of person who would steal wifi is more likely to steal something else, isn’t he?”
    As this is formed as a question I must say the correct answer is “Unknown”. There is nothing that ties open wifi users to more criminal acts than not, unlike the car theft analogy you used, so I must say this argument falls flat. And while we can look at the people (caught) for stealing a car we can see that they are more likely to commit other crimes, but do we have anything that tells us the same about open Wifi users? And to use the word “steal” in this context as well gives a false weight where there is no such thing. If a wifi is being open it is more than likely the operator of the wifi leaves it open to share it (if the operator is somewhat knowledgeable in IT), therefore no one can steal the bandwidth.

    “The vast majority of Americans recognize that leaving their wifi connection open is foolhardy and likely to lead to trouble.”
    While I do agree that open wifi can cause trouble (mostly with the law because of arguments like this) I must say I need to see a unbiased survey before I can accept that statement. I would say most of Americans couldn’t care less about it and is therefore completely ignorant of the possible problems it can cause.

    “The existence of the duty is heightened by the fact that it is common knowledge that cyber criminals use open wifi networks to commit nefarious acts.”
    This again I feel is more rhetoric than actual facts. When using terms as common knowledge to base an important statements in court cases, specially that can lead to ruin peoples lives, I need to see some unbiased surveys figures to accept that is actually so.

    ” It may seem unfair to some, but if you consider that my client is losing money, and the open-wifi-guy (even if he wasn’t one of the liars) contributes to that loss, who should bear the cost?”
    Here again I must say that I need to see some figures on what the actual money lost actually is. If the figures is coming only from the plaintiff I simply cannot believe it as it is biased figures. The figures *must* be unbiased for it to be correct, specially in cases like these. From what I have come to understand of all the surveys done, the industry are not loosing any money directly on file sharing, it is only themselves claiming that, so this argument too must fall flat until there is an actual unbiased investigation on how much this would cost the plaintiff. It is, I would say, criminally negligent to allow a private person to bear the imaginary cost that would ruin his life completely, for a cost that isn’t actually there.

    • Forrest Gump

      Exactly, nothing to add here.

    • Charon

      The thing that annoys me is the “assumed damages” in the first place.
      That there are claims that the industry is losing monies seems to be an “accepted fact” and yet I see no way to prove this beyond reasonable doubt.

      The UK is ‘said’ to be losing £400 million a year to pirates and that there are about 7 million pirates in this country.. Well 2 things:

      1) How do you prove a penny is being lost?

      2) 7 Million people choosing to pirate digital data that has no tangible value as it can be reproduced at no cost, surely that’s indicative that there are lot of people in the UK who are objecting to the current business model. But our government is listening to the business not the people.. hmm some thing wrong there
      (although I am very interested in what Vince cable is going to do now he’s thrown parts of the Digital Economy act)

      I honestly believe that it is the business model of these companies that is harming the industry and the creativity more than people sharing files ever will

    • Anonymous

      “Cyber criminals use open wifi networks to commit nefarious acts”.

      This is false, unless you are 100% sure there is no logging on the WiFi it’s just plain stupid. Assuming a criminal is not a teen pulling a prank.

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      “The vast majority of Americans recognize that leaving their wifi connection open is foolhardy and likely to lead to trouble.”

      Then they realize wrongly. If anyone wants to commit a computer crime of any sort then breaking into a wifi which IS secured is like driving a bulldozer through a ricepaper wall.

      If your wifi was (for lack of a better term) “secured”, then your culpability is automatically assumed, despite the fact that in 9 cases out of 10 the “security” was akin to hanging up a sign saying “Please don’t trespass”.

      If the connection was open then as the owner you can present a far more credible case in court as it isn’t automatically assumed that you personally performed what you stand accused of.

      In denmark I’ve heard system administrators helping friends and family recommending keeping the wifi open since the alternative makes you more or less automatically culpable under law when someone decides to use your adress.

      Seriously, we need to do something about the myth of wifi “security”. If you don’t want to share your connection with anyone then your only real option is to avoid wireless altogether and go with direct cable. That isn’t rocket science.

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  • Guest

    Who care what the lawyers say.

    The “corporatists” and their lawyers should die.

    Let’s raise a constitutional army and kill them all.

    • Anonymous

      Pease join the army and go to Afghanistan.

      • Guest

        Afghanistan is not our war but the oil corporations’ war.

        The oil corporations just like the big banks are the enemies of the United States and shall be destroy next.

  • Anonymous

    * Duty – did the defendant have a duty?

    The law usually sees ISPs are service providers who only provide a link and where it is not there place to monitor that link. Indeed there are privacy laws preventing them from snooping. In the US there is also the Right of Anonymity which makes clear a person who wants anonymity has the right to anonymity UNLESS they break the law.

    A open wireless router is under the same concept and to provide a service to a community.

    To address this question then it is an open wireless router owner’s DUTY to respect the anonymity of its users. Should they however become aware of unlawful acts it can then be their duty to block that person’s access or to assist with a criminal investigate.

    Copyright infringement is more complex being civil and not criminal law. A service provider is usually unaware if a user does or does not have the right to distribute copyrighted works.

    * Breach – did the defendant breach that duty?

    Only if they were aware of criminal behavior on their network and took no action to prevent it may they be found negligent. Utility providers are often not expected to play police.

    * Causation – was the breach the cause of the plaintiff’s damages?

    There was no breach.

    * Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?

    No breach means no damages,

  • http://otester.myopenid.com/ PiRat

    Problem is you define copyright infringement as theft, it’s not, hence the term copyright, it’s “unauthorized” distribution (or “unauthorized” copying), I use quote marks for unauthorized because this is a self-ascribed term by those with a lot of money (corporations) that write our laws.

    In a free-market, IPR doesn’t exist as it’s a tyranny.

  • Lulz

    All that drama and turmoil over a less than $50 loss. (This is using that ungodly assumption that 1 download is 1 lost sale. The person may have never bought it to begin with anyways.)

    I still say it’s horrible, pathetic, and mean spirited in whole. You should be hammering the people that are doing this for profit, the ones that turn that <$50 loss into something much more.

    In this new world the crappy movies don't make money by tricking people into going out to see them and leaving them wishing they never paid for that at all. People go see movies that they like. The 'try before you buy' group. You can't deny this since moves are still making records at the box office. If downloading/uploading were truly destroying the industry, those records wouldn't be breaking. They're just mad that we've found a way around the "gotcha" of crappy things and demand quality.

  • Anonymous

    What you are doing here is destroying a future where all wifi is open. That is your gift to your children. Like the FON routers where everyone can use every router to make voip calls. No more free wifi in schools, libraries, cafes, trains. And i beieve you and your movie making friends don’t see or care about the damage you do to the future.

    If someone steals your car you are a victim (even if the keys are in).
    Only downside is that the car insurance might not pay out (for the car itself!). And stealing is a criminal offence, unlike infringement. If a car is used in a bank robbery they surely are not partly responcible or seen as one of the criminals. Like if you did not protect yourself you do not only lose your car, you are now responcible for the actions of a junkie? Breaking into a wifi and breaking into a car both takes only minutes.

    People of the age of my parrents could never ever keep me out of their wifi let alone my grandma. If i lived within driving distance of you it would cost me half an hour to get your IP in a john doe list for a movie law suit. And you have no way to prove your wifi was secured or not, accept your word. You would never know i was in there, there would even be a hologram of your car still standing in your driveway.

    I think you only see people you want to crack down on, not the innocent you hurt.
    And yes, some guilty people will use the arguements of the innocent.
    But your name is not Ash Ketchum, you don’t catch them all. But don’t hurt innocent people. There are apps where you can list open WiFi that you know of, small task to add the ones you cracked there. So everyone can start using them.

    And for people like you that walk over bodies to get what they think they deserve.
    With that i mean tens of thousands for a copy of a movie! Totally disproportional.
    If you would be going for 5 times the retail price, you would not hear me complain.
    And you won’t find those tenthousand dollar lawsuits here in europe against individuals just sharing a movie. If someone bankrupts someone i love over a movie, i’ll even wipe their bank and birth certificate. Yeah that’s really not that hard.

    These people don’t try to make a profit. They might not know that it happened at all.
    Your letters are misleading. Damages are disproportional. MPAA customers start to hate them. Most don’t have the knowledge or money to defend themselves against your attacks.

    “what should you have done?”
    Have your wifi open for the age of wifi Aquarius. And don’t pray on the weak.
    You say you are just doing your job. Well so is a mob contract killer, but he is still a murderer in my eyes. Don’t worry, your friends will never admit they think the same way about what you do.

  • Lomotil33

    Thanks Marc for taking the time to present your arguments to us. It was an interesting read.

  • Anonymous

    We engage in discovery, seize all of the computers in the house, issue subpoenas to everyone the account holder knows, and start having depositions of everyone who lives in their home and neighborhood.

    And that kiddies is what we call undue harassment. I am also sure courts would have issues with subpoenas for people that you cannot prove would be a witness.

    • Charon

      /Sarcasm on

      Oh you want my laptop / smart phone / wireless router because they picked up some ones wifi connection Mr Police officer.. hmm

      May I offer you an alternative instead?
      “Fuck off and try and get a court order on that.”
      /sarcasm off

      A similar sort of thing would be if the police in any country trying to seize all the servers in an amazon or google data center because some one made an app for a proxy to get around the recent BtJunkie blockage in Italy.. It would certainly be an amusing incident

      Although we do see quite a few holes in Marc’s article whether we could prove them in court is another matter and in the spirit of the age old saying:
      “I disagree with what you say but I defend your right to say it”

      I have to say this was always going to be the most contentious article of the two.
      And I think both TorrentFreak and the lawyers involved are pretty damned brave to air their opinions here. I hope we see more of this 2 sided discussion as it’s far better done in a public forum than behind close doors..

      My what an idea.. a public consultation thats not written off or funded by one side … hmm novel

  • Anonymous

    If this view holds true, then perhaps the makers of WiFi routers should be held liable/negligent for making open WiFi possible, when they could have built their equipment so that you have to set a password before you can turn WiFi on. This makes a lot of sense to me, but I don’t know if it would disagree with the Sony verdict.

  • fivebells

    In the wake of a recent judgment for $10,401.00 against a defendant in one of these cases, where the $10,000 was for the negligence claim…

    It would be very valuable to have a cite for this case. Searching for the amount “10401″ on google, I find this settlement for that amount in a case brought brought by the author of this post, Randazza. It says

    [The defendant] said that he takes the position that if he committed any infringement at all, it is as an “innocent infringer” and wants to avoid the expense and uncertainty of continued litigation.

    This suggests that Randazza’s theory has not been tested in an actual court case.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

      Yet another proof of salting already questionable arguments with small lies, which if pointed to, can be explained as mere “innocent errors”. I feel nauseous…

    • DocGerbil100

      Hmm! ^^Good post, Fivebells. By far and away, the best post today, in fact.

      In the wake of a recent judgment for $10,401.00 against a defendant in one of these cases, where the $10,000 was for the negligence claim…

      I can think of no way in which this statement can have been intended to communicate truthful information: a “settlement” is most-certainly not a “judgment [...] against” someone in any honestly-meant sense, not in this context.

      It’s a lie. Randazza comes to Torrentfreak and clearly and deliberately lies to us all, straight to our virtual faces.

      I could go on about other things – especially the thinly veiled threats against TF’s readers – but I think that says as much as anyone will ever need to hear about Marc Randazza.

      • Wait

        Let’s be honest here. Marc Randazza is a shithead and a low-life for taking these cases, but he is correct in saying that he obtained a judgment. The rules lawyers use in federal court allow for an offer of judgment, which allows the defendant to have judgment taken against him in a public record, as opposed to settlement agreements (which often are confidential).

        It’s simply wrong to call the $10,401 payment a settlement – it’s not, and the filing with the court clearly says that it isn’t. A judgment is now on the record. A judgment has much more binding effect on others in the future, which actually makes this more frightening than if it were merely a settlement between the parties.

        • Anonymous

          Looks like someone got paid to take a 10.000 dollar fall to set a precedent.

        • DocGerbil100

          I can’t locate a copy of the finding to check what you’ve said, but I don’t think what you’ve concluded is correct in any event: Fivebells’ link is the only source of info I can find, it seems to be derived from one of Randazza’s own press-releases and it says that it’s an agreed finding as part of a settlement.

          If such a thing set any kind of real precedent, Randazza and every other anti-piracy lawyer out there would be shouting about this substantial change in law from the rooftops – and Randazza wouldn’t be relying on a largely off-topic 1932 judgment to make his point.

        • fivebells

          …the filing with the court clearly says that it isn’t [a judgement].

          I’d be grateful for a pointer to the filing.

        • DocGerbil100

          @ Fivebells: so would I.

        • Wait

          Here, it’s clearly a judgment entered on the court record. It’s publicly available through the U.S. Courts docketing system and took me about 2 minutes to find.

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/61796435/00619-Doc-21

          Now, stop calling it a settlement. This is a huge problem and a big deal, but insisting it’s a “settlement” isn’t going to help us, or lawyers, beat back the problems it poses.

        • fivebells

          Wait, you are playing with words. The document you linked to says that it is the “PLAINTIFF’S NOTICE OF ACCEPTANCEOF OFFER OF JUDGMENT PRESENTEDBY DEFENDANT.” That is not a judgement in the sense that a judge has actually considered Randazza’s negligence theory and decided the case on the basis of it. The document you linked to actually shows that Randazza’s citation of this case was specious, because it explicitly says that it was a negotiated settlement between Randazza and the defendant, NOT a legal decision. (“WHEREAS, defendant Doe 4 wishes to avoid the expense and uncertaintyof continued litigation…” “This offer of judgment is made exclusively for the purposesspecified in Rule 68 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and is not to be construed asan admission that Doe 4 is liable in this action or that Plaintiff has suffered any injury.”)

        • pedro, esq.

          This is not judge made law and therefore has no legal precedential effect. It is a negotiated settlement, entered as a judgment – not a judge’s opinion or statement of the law. It carries absolutely no weight for future judges considering the underlying legal issues. That would be ridiculous.

    • Anonymous

      Nice digging! And it indeed shows that it’s just some nobody that chose to settle instead of seeing it through court. Like always that is what they seem to base their idea of the law on.

  • fivebells

    My html markups did not come through in the above post. The article about the settlement is at http://newswire.xbiz.com/view.php?id=136832

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

      Totally off-topic.

      Your html markup did come through, but links are invisible here unless you hover your mouse over.

      Ernesto, please adjust CSS so the links would be visible! It can be done without scarifying overall style.

      • fivebells

        Ah, thanks for pointing that out.

    • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com John&Jane Doe

      Totally off-topic.

      Your html markup did come through, but links are invisible here unless you hover your mouse over.

      Ernesto, please adjust CSS so the links would be visible! It can be done without scarifying overall style.

  • Anonymous

    If this view holds true, then perhaps the makers of WiFi routers should be held liable/negligent for making open WiFi possible, when they could have built their equipment so that you have to set a password before you can turn WiFi on. This makes a lot of sense to me, though it may disagree with the Sony verdict.

    I also wonder how Randazza’s view of the law can be imposed on places like Starbucks and Borders stores that provide free WiFi. (For that matter, I’ve seen free WiFi provided at rest areas on the interstate.) If Randazza’s negligence view prevails, then the owners of all these facilities will either have to discontinue the WiFi service, or register every user and monitor his actions. For all practical purposes, monitoring the users’ actions is impossible if the users have any technical sophistication at all (which ordinary folks doing a small amount of infringement may not have, but those making money by infringing certainly do).

    So if the law explicitly said “open WiFi = negligence” then those businesses and facilities would have to shut down their WiFi. But since it does not, my best guess at the outcome is that the impossibility means those businesses and facilities are not negligent.

    Even if some future law does make it expressly illegal to run open WiFi, and extends to whatever technology comes after WiFi, people like Mr. Randazza will only ever be able to catch the ordinary folks who aren’t making money at infringing. He seems to be OK with that because the way-out-of-proportion penalties he imposes serve to vent his clients’ frustration at the fact that they’ll never shut down the real money-making infringers who are the only ones who deserve to be called criminals.

    I hope that the next judge who hears one of Randazza’s cases has a better sense of proportion than he.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK7Y7PCSTJ27RCKZ2MGRSAYCTE NEIL

      I like your style – we have a whole waterfront area here In Wellington, New Zealand with open wifi, provided by the local authority. I wonder how long that will continue when our government introduces media lobbied laws here in September.

  • Anonymous

    If this view holds true, then perhaps the makers of WiFi routers should be held liable/negligent for making open WiFi possible, when they could have built their equipment so that you have to set a password before you can turn WiFi on. This makes a lot of sense to me, though it may disagree with the Sony verdict.

    I also wonder how Randazza’s view of the law can be imposed on places like Starbucks and Borders stores that provide free WiFi. (For that matter, I’ve seen free WiFi provided at rest areas on the interstate.) If Randazza’s negligence view prevails, then the owners of all these facilities will either have to discontinue the WiFi service, or register every user and monitor his actions. For all practical purposes, monitoring the users’ actions is impossible if the users have any technical sophistication at all (which ordinary folks doing a small amount of infringement may not have, but those making money by infringing certainly do).

    So if the law explicitly said “open WiFi = negligence” then those businesses and facilities would have to shut down their WiFi. But since it does not, my best guess at the outcome is that the impossibility means those businesses and facilities are not negligent.

    Even if some future law does make it expressly illegal to run open WiFi, and extends to whatever technology comes after WiFi, people like Mr. Randazza will only ever be able to catch the ordinary folks who aren’t making money at infringing. He seems to be OK with that because the way-out-of-proportion penalties he imposes serve to vent his clients’ frustration at the fact that they’ll never shut down the real money-making infringers who are the only ones who deserve to be called criminals.

    I hope that the next judge who hears one of Randazza’s cases has a better sense of proportion than he.

  • Anon

    great thing about piracy is that people either do it when on the other side or work for some company that does it. so one day we’ll be equals because we’ll are be pirateers

    • Anon

      we’ll all be pirateers*

      or to make it sound more hip, iPirates

      • Scary Devil Monastery

        “…or to make it sound more hip, iPirates “

        Ew. Steve Jobs is a genuine BOFH which makes him a control freak who knows what he is doing. And what he’s doing is providing what HE thinks the average John Luser should have. Hence the iron-clad closed code of Apple products where “consumer choice” is used only in mere mockery.

        I respect him for his ingenuity but humbly submit that neither I nor any other system administrator would be happy being one of his lithium lickers.

        Consider the irony of any pirate bleating happily towards the general iProprietary direction…

  • Anon2

    or support a company that pirates

  • Zzzz

    If this lawyer get’s fucked up that ass than that means he’s partly to blame due to his negligence in not securing the place hes speaks out of.

  • Chris

    I would argue that the most comon response to “is your wifi open?” would not be “yes” or “no” but rather “what?” “what’s open?” “what’s closed?” “I don’t know, I just plugged it in!” and I ask you, Marc Randazza, is that negligence????

    • Scary Devil Monastery

      It obviously is in his eyes, which proves he intends for every wifi owner to be a system administrator while he himself manifestly hasn’t gotten a clue.

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  • Ddd

    one word, bullshit

  • JonParis

    The judgment of $10,401 was a negotiated settlement and it is not certain how much the Doe actually paid.

    If the judgment was paid in full, that’s good news for the plaintiff. But so far the headline numbers in these settlements have had little relation to actual recoveries (most have been default judgements in any case). A Doe could settle a judgment for far less than the amount. The goal of the plaintiffs is to prompt immediate and higher settlements from other defendants, despite the fact that the federal courts are striking down judgments deemed “disproportioned to the offense.”

    When the identify of a Doe is ascertained, the plaintiff’s legal team does due diligence to determine the Doe’s income and assets and whether a judgment can be collected. The open wi-fi negligence claims are part of a broader effort to collect from those with money (for example, Mommy and Daddy) when the actual infringer (for example, Junior) has none.

    At some point, EFF or another organization will pursue a case where the infringer has readily identified himself or herself but the plaintiff goes after the owner of the wi-fi connection, secured or no. That will be an interesting trial given the existing case law.

    And, finally, while all of this sounds quite cordial, some quotes (hopefully misattributed) in various news articles do not cast the plaintiffs’ attorneys – in all of these actions including mainstream and adult content infringement – in a particularly favorable light. A little less profanity and needlessly vindictive rhetoric might strengthen their message.

  • Dark

    Perhaps then we should counter sue both the party attempting to sue and the internet company that sold the box without explaining how to turn off wireless internet access or at least explaining how to secure the modem itself against such “illicide” use

  • AP

    Is the U.S. Postal Service negligent if someone anonymously mails infringing content? If your phone company negligent for not requiring a login before using a pay phone? The “negligence” theory sounds good but falls apart under a little scrutiny.

    The author implies that most of the public is aware of a “duty” to prevent anonymous usage of their wifi because most connections are locked down these days. This is flawed reasoning. The principle reason people lock down their wifi are to protect themselves from hackers and bandwidth hogs, not because they are responsible for what’s communicated. If they had unlimited bandwidth and secure guest access, no doubt most people would again be happy to share their connections.

    The courts need to stop allowing folks like these to threaten “flipping a defendant’s entire life upside down” on the thinnest of claims. It is legally wrong and morally dubious to apply a tougher liability standard to ordinary citizens than to the U.S. Postal Service and AT&T.

  • http://skepgineering.com Skepgineer

    Leaving wifi open deliberately to share with the world is like putting up a payphone, but reducing the cost to $0. Data is speech.

    People might end up using it to make illegal calls (death threats to the president or something) but in almost all cases it’s just speech that should not be restricted in any way, and the interests in free speech and privacy trump any argument that users of the payphone should have to authenticate and identify themselves before using it.

  • HM

    Regarding the $10k – this was a pretty good way for someone to beat back Randazza and other copyright trolls. The money paid, probably over time, is less than what a lawyer would charge to handle the case against a copyright troll who wants six figures. A defendant offers judgment against himself for $10k and totally short-circuits the troll’s ability to push for $150,000.

    Maybe these plaintiffs’ lawyers know their cases aren’t worth nearly $150,000 and will take offers for much less to make them go away. If enough people made these offers, the lawsuits would stop being profitable to the companies (and, really, greedy lawyers) who bring them.

  • Anonymous

    Fuck US law and US lawyers – trying to work out which one is more corrupt is so painful it creates a singularity in my arse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chronoss.uha1 Chronoss Uha

    and here is simply why this lawyer is wrong utterly and he/she should know better.

    man steals car robs a bank kills 4 people shoots 50 more…and your guilty cause he smashed in the window and jimmied the key to start car….yes according to this low life scumbag lawyer , who btw would be all but a welfare bum if not for being able to victimize the innocent

  • Jon7272

    mmm what happens when you pc got hacked and your pc was closed wifi and encripted are you still responsible how is that fare

  • Jon7272

    i couldnt pay 1000 never lone 10 000 so good luck getting the money lol i rent my house and on the pension lmfao

  • Jon7272

    i couldnt pay 1000 never lone 10 000 so good luck getting the money lol i rent my house and on the pension lmfao

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK7Y7PCSTJ27RCKZ2MGRSAYCTE NEIL

    I can only say after reading both lawyers arguments – thank goodness I don’t live in the USA – I now understand why you have more lawyers per head of population than any other country. What a great job to make money off other peoples errors of judgment.

  • CashmanLawFirm

    The negligence argument assumes there is a DUTY to lock down your wireless access point (as noted). I’ve seen a few plaintiff attorneys arguing that some ISP TOS agreements even require users to put a password on their wi-fi routers, but I have yet to see any of these myself. Plus, as far as I know, there have been NO court cases indicating that there is a DUTY to lock down your wi-fi access point. Citing back to 1932 is a stretch at best, but point taken. We’ll see whether the courts impose a duty to lock down your internet connection. Then again, if that is the case, then routers will come with WPA2 encryption active as the default setting. Otherwise, we’ll have a fun time joining the ISPs as defendants because last I checked, it is them and not the computer illiterate subscribers who set up routers in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      I find that 1932 cargo shipping ruling a bit doubtful. What he did not mention is that beyond the yet to be standard radio then ships have other methods to detect and avoid storms.

      Why these two ships sank is unclear. Either a bad course judgement by the captain, failure of the existing storm tracking method, or maybe it was just the cargo badly packed.

      So all this says to me is like… “Your ships sunk and lost our cargo. You may have had radio and radar but we find it your fault for not having your own weather satellite. No weather satellite and all ships can be found guilty!”

      The should not be such rulings unless the industry or Government sets a standard.

      • http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com S.J. Doe

        My bullshit detector is trained to the following: if one is arguing citing a very questionable case translates to lack of better analogies, hence arguments. It is not just a cherry-picking, it is picking of a cherry from a lorry full of watermelons.

  • blah blah

    So by using this lawyers way of thinking, if I pack my car full of drugs and drive it around, and then get arrested then the government should also be in deep shit because it is their open roads that I am using to transport drugs.

    My car their road.. My computer their internet connection. If they are liable for me using their new to commit a crime then the government is liable because I used their road to commit a felony.

  • thomasskull666

    “Is your wifi open? I would bet it is not.”
    You just lost a bet. I run an open guest access point. Many other people do the same. I have no intention to stop. I don’t do it to protect myself from a potential lawsuit. I do it because it’s a nice thing to do.
    What kind of person would want to prevent other people from accessing the internet, or information in general? How does that benefit humanity? I can understand that doing something nice for the general public might be a foreign concept to a lawyer, but making the leap to criminalizing it… What kind of society do you want to create for the generations to come, sir?
    I would encourage everybody to run an open guest network. It makes the world a better place to live.
    One last question: If somebody were to crack your network’s encryption (which isn’t hard), or break into your computer remotely (also not hard) and then download some infringing material, are you now negligent? Think about the precedents you set. They could come back to ruin you, the same way they’re ruining this country.

    • got teeth?

      excellent post especially – “Think about the precedents you set. They could come back to ruin you, the same way they’re ruining this country”, i like that part!!!

      • Global_Dweller

        The internets are not any ‘country’.

        Get a clue…

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  • got teeth?

    well it seems you have it all sorted,,,,,,,,legal channels etc.pray tell, what legal action do i have available to me when you come to subpoena everyone i know and turn my neighbourhood upside down.nothing is what.

    this is why i hate you, why i hate what you do, and why i will continue to torrent copyright material every day, of every week, of every year for the rest of my like….

    just to have the feeling inside me, that i am currently a step ahead of you, far outweighs the possibility of being caught.i go to sleep happy knowing i am winning right now.while you probably go to sleep thinking, how can i win……………..

    ill seed till i die…………..i like to share, and give people good things, not take away and ruin lives.

  • blah

    wow it is this guy again….Doesn’t he know that majority of people, who use WIFI, doesn’t know how to set it up correctly….Try setting up your own network and somehow put security and everything on the first try…

  • Anonymous

    [i]“And the kind of person who would steal wifi is more likely to steal something else, isn’t he? So if you invite wifi theft by leaving your home network open, you’re more likely than not also inviting more.”[/i]

    If I am leaving my WiFi open for all to use the people using it aren’t stealing it they are using a community service hopefully there will be more community based free wireless networks where people leave there wireless open. I work 3 miles from home at no point between home & work is there a place I can’t get on an open wireless network.

    Open WiFi(WiMax) is a thing of the future the IP industry & Phone Industry may not like it but it is coming you may be able to pay politicians to hold it up but the people will not be held back. The reality of commercialization & censorship of communications is coming to an end accept it.

  • Drbssb

    Let me put it this way. Who is negligent? Everyone knows that DVD’s and Blu rays are the source of all the material in question. With the companies well aware of the matter then is it not them who are responsible who should stop releasing their entertainment material on these media. If you make a gun it will be used. That is how humans are. Now Adam ate the apple just because there was the apple.

  • Anonymous

    wait, so if the 10 grand is for negligence, he’s saying the $401 is for “piracy?”

    That doesn’t sound like people are being put on the hook for a lot actually, more like that he just won a fast one on a judge via “negligence”, even though that is easily appealed.

    • DocGerbil100

      FYI: according to what’s been found regarding that sum (see Fivebells’ earlier comment), the recent judgment was accepted by the defendant as part of a settlement – and the judge would presumably never have been called upon to evaluate the merits of Randazzo’s claim one way or the other.

      Unless someone here can find better information, it seems never to have been actually put to use in court in a relevant case.

  • DRuNKeN MaSTeR

    “In circumstances of evolving technology, the duty may change along with technology, even if common practice does not.” – This is the best sentence I’ve read in a very long time.

    Too bad, that Mr. Randazza did not interpret BOTH sides. Negligence being one, as said in the article, and the time factor being the other one. In my opinion not only the “pirate” should be punished for wanting something in a timely fashion for a reasonable price, but the MAFIAA (aka. copyright dinosaurs) should also be punished for their outdated models, clinging to them until their last breaths.

    “…the duty may change along with technology” – think about that for a second, MAFIAA!

  • Wait

    For those arguing about this being a “settlement” (not all, but there are some who insist it is), it’s very much a judgment. Here’s an entry from the court’s docket.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/61796435/00619-Doc-21

    A judgment can be attacked, while a settlement is tougher to do anything about. Look at the RIAA cases where the judges knocked down the damage awards after the jury returned judgments for millions of dollars. This might not be such a bad thing. But arguing over whether it’s a settlement or judgment misses that point.

    • DocGerbil100

      Thank you for the link – you’re clearly much better at finding this sort of thing than I am. :)

      I’ve described this as a judgment agreed between plaintiff and defendant in order to settle the case. It is both things at once, or so it seems to me. But whatever the zark it is, it has this in it:

      “7. This offer of judgment is made exclusively for the purposes specified in Rule 68 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and is not to be construed as an admission that Doe 4 is liable in this action or that Plaintiff has suffered any injury”.

      I’m entirely at a loss as to how a judgment containing that can be held up as any kind of precedent for anyone, save for the defendant who’s already agreed to it.

      You seem to have some knowledge of these things, Wait – perhaps you can explain it to us?

  • Anonymous

    is construction company guilty if a crime is committed on the street… YES …. wait WTF ?!?!

  • Guest

    “Pease join the army and go to Afghanistan.”

    Afghanistan is not our war but the oil corporations’ war.

    The oil corporations just like the big banks are the enemies of the United States and shall be destroy next.

  • Interested Reader

    Like running a open wifi connection, I have heard that running an exit node for TOR can act as plausible deniability. Has Mr. Randazza encountered this argument and does he have any comments on it?

  • Blah

    As a couple of people mentioned – I would like to hear how this position holds up against someone who operates a WEP protected network but had it hacked. This tends to be the default security setting on everything. And 90% of America doesn’t know the difference. Now we are punishing people for not being smart enough about WiFi protocols?

    It’s insane.

    Lawyers that do this make me sick. Might as well go defend terrorism.

  • Guest

    * Duty – did the defendant have a duty?
    his words, no law, I win
    * Breach – did the defendant breach that duty?
    again, no law, I win
    * Causation – was the breach the cause of the plaintiff’s damages?
    if there was a law, maybe, but me thinks that the person using the connection would have to answer for that.
    * Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?
    where I would love this, all you have to do is PROVE it. Don’t throw a number out there you cannot defend, councilor, because the loooooong discovery process will be quite painful for you. I want to see every – and I mean EVERY – contract on who gets paid what. Then I need the proof of how sales were affected before and after alleged infringement, THEN, I want you so show me the evidence that the infringer’s caused the lack of sales. Don’t forget the constant problem that your clients work may very well be shite.

  • Guest

    and dude, the gay 80′s collar is …. well … so you! Hurrah. I would bet you wear the long pointy shoes too? Anyway, my point -
    I believe that all of the claims of Marc f’king sheep are unfounded. I do not believe for a moment that he did f’k sheep, thought about f’king sheep, or acted on any thoughts he might have had about f’king sheep. Its most likely that someone else f’ked the sheep and made it look like it was him. Therefore, Marc is in no way liable for any sheep offspring or criminal charges as a result of anyone else f’king sheep. As a matter of fact, I would trust Marc with all of my sheep! Thanks for the fun, and incorrect, legal opinion.

  • Daniel Gonsalves

    I keep my wifi open. Not because i’m careless. But because its the right thing to do. I would have no problem proving to any court that I have intentionally for years. My wifi is on all sort of maps on the Internet as both opened and with a name that says it ok to connect but not to do bad things with it.

    The analogy with the keys left in the car is a bad one.

    I have a better one: You are walking through the desert. There is a house. There is a well outside the house. The owner of the house is not there. But the well is kept unlocked. It has a sign that says its ok to drink from the well just don’t do anything bad. The owner even made a cut out that allows only a bucked to go down the well for water. The cut out prevents you from throwing someone down the well.

    While my open wifi isn’t providing life, it is one of the few opened anywhere near me in a big city. What if you need to email your kids or check your banking but your ISP is down. You can use mine. I block bit-torrent’s port range. However, this is not a perfect solution. Even big ISP’s can’t stop bit-torrent. I also check for over use occasionally and block mac address if needed. Again not perfect.

    Is it really better to lock up the well? I mean the well is dangerous. Someone could be thrown down the well. The well is private property. Why should I let anyone drink from it for free? My wifi could be used for abuse. Why should I let anyone use it for free?

    Because in both cases its better for everyone at little or no cost to the owner and the overall public good is out weighted by the small chance of harm.

  • Grok

    I’m only going to comment on one thing that clearly outlines what an idiot this guy is.

    He said that one out of two (let’s assume this is true) claim to have an open wifi. He also said that it turns out to be a lie 95% of the time (let’s assume for now this is true).

    He concludes with assuming that this would mean that we should have open wifi from coast to coast. This is illogical and stupid. He does not have an unbiased, random sample of appropriate sample size, and the people involved have other factors involved. For example, if you admit that open wifi leaves you more vulnerable to having your connection used by strangers, possibly ones intending to pirate, and he does admit this, then it’s clear to see that it follows that those with open wifi are more likely to find themselves in this position.

    Already I hope you can see just how idiotic this guy’s reasoning has become.

    If those with open wifi are more likely to find themselves in this position, it’s more likely than statistical chance that defendants he encounters did, in fact, have open wifi. It very well could easily be the case that one out of two defendants truly did have open wifi connections, and this man stupidly thinks that he knows they were lying.

    I haven’t read the other lawyer’s article yet, but I’m just going to hope that some people here or that lawyer have touched on the actual legal ignorance if this so-called “lawyer”, as this comment is getting long enough dealing with just one of this man’s stupid and ignorant comments.

  • Svergehammer

    If any judge were to sign off on such a scorched earth discovery request, I would hope whoever this guys clients are do have their house in order. Because I would equally have their lives turned upside down. Depositions of the producers, directors, management, talent, distributors, etc. (imagine the fun an expendables suit defense attorney could have grilling the cognitively challenged sly stallone) I’d subpoena their business and accounting records, to, you know, test the “veracity” of their damages claims. And if the plaintiff was a porn studio, I’d be sure to invite representatives from law enforcement to sit in on the depositions, to make sure everything is on the up and up.

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  • Nathan

    * Duty – covered
    * Breach – covered
    * Causation – Semi-covered
    * Damages – Not covered

    * Causation – was the breach the cause of the plaintiff’s damages?
    * Damages – were there damages, and if so, how much?

    If it is only downloads, then the actual damage versus (say iTunes) would be 59p/track or less and movies less than £5.00 each in most cases.

    On the case of uploads, you ought to know that lots of people (including artists without contracts) spread music for free but many listeners then go and buy albums and go to concerts after hearing them- even if they don’t, isn’t that early Market forces at work?

    The breach could still occur even with psk2 password protection, let alone wep level, so even a secure router can be used without the owner knowing- what happens to them as a result of excessively aggressive lawsuits from people who know nothing about the Internet and security.

    So this actually boils back down to the law profession charging exhorbitant fees for their ‘services’

  • Wax

    MR. RANDAZZA,

    In the second half of your editorial, when you explain the steps taken by your firm to establish “negligence,” you list step #1 as “A relatively mild investigation and questioning of the potential defendant.”

    So your firm begins questioning defendants prior to the deposition… Now despite the fact that these people could refuse to talk to your firm before they’re deposed (or a judge grants a motion to compel), don’t you think it’s a little unethical to be questioning — or virtually interrogating — defendants and witnesses without counsel, and prior to your deposition?

    It’s really disheartening to read about the litigation practices in cases like these, because methods like this seem improper; something tells me you — and firms handling similar cases — wouldn’t be skirting the boundaries of ethical litigation if the majority of defendants weren’t teenagers and 20-somethings, or those (prematurely) branded with the stigma of social deviants for allegedly downloading copyrighted works (especially when those works are pornography)…

    Sincerely,

    An entertainment and technology journalist

  • ahec

    “So if you leave your keys in your car, and someone takes it and drives it into someone’s fence, you’re at least partially responsible for the damage. If the car thief runs off, who should pay for the damage? The fence owner or you?”

    Haha this is all you have to read to know not to take this idiot seriously. Legally the car owner holds absolutely no responsibility. Legally the fence owner will have to pay for it until a time when/if the thief is caught and then you can go after him for restitution. A fucking first year law student would know this. Did you get your law degree in a cereal box?

    Maybe he had better points later but I just couldn’t take him seriously after that moronic statement and stopped reading.

    If you really did win a judgement for $10,000 for negligence (which somehow I think you’re making up) then you got very lucky and if it is appealed I think it will be quickly overturned.

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  • IANAL

    I fear that if this view of “negligence” become common place it will never stop.
    Imagine having a secure WPA wifi network and someone breaks through and downloads movies, you could still be negligent because “wpa2 is more secure, you should have upgraded” or “your car was locked, well you should be aware it can be hotwired, you should’ve had the club. ” Imagine a day when your partner gives you a mixtape and if you fail to properly verify they acquired the songs via legal means (itunes, cd, etc) then you are a crook because “you should’ve known better.”

    I think that even if negligence can be proven, proving damages should be hard. Hypothetically if the wifi connection at issue was used to download 1 copy of a $20 movie, and the flawed logic of 1 download = 1 lost sale is used, then the max damages should be $20 – packaging and associated logistical costs (as no physical disk / container was produced or shipped.)

  • Mouse

    I, as many others also do, run a free and open wifi system. If someone does something wrong, and copyright infringement is debatable to begin with, then they are guilty and not the wifi operators. No one should be responsible for the actions of another. If the view that you are responsible for the actions of others just because you shared the same service with them is held then all users of public libraries, wifi cafe, etc are criminals because they have been used for criminal acts. For that matter all car owners are criminals because cars are the number one method of get-a-way by bank robbers.

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