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Audio Watermarks Locate Camcording Pirates

Camcording pirates pose a serious threat to the profits of Hollywood, according to the MPAA at least. In order to stop the cammers in their tracks, theater owners have been equipped with night-vision goggles. That’s not all though, the latest Hollywood blockbusters may soon come with watermarked audio that can pinpoint a pirate’s seat number.

piracyHindering piracy is priority number one for theater employees nowadays, and there is even a $500 award for those who manage to catch one. In dealing with a tiny minority, theater owners are slowly alienating their customers and even go as far as using metal detectors and night-vision goggles to track down movie cammers. Everyone is treated like a pirate these days.

The efforts are paying off nicely though. The night vision goggles helped to spot Batman and Bond pirates and a Virgina teenager was busted a while back for recording a few seconds of the movie Transformers on her cell-phone. The only thing she wanted to do was show it to her 13 year old brother, however, the alert theater staff called in the police and the girl was arrested.

With one of the latest inventions by Prof. Babaguchi and colleagues, catching cammers might become even easier. While video-based watermarks are already used in theaters in order to determine which screen the movie was recorded from, new technology makes it possible to watermark the audio of films too.

The audio watermarks go much further though, as they can pinpoint almost the exact location that the pirate was in when he recorded the movie. This so called spread-spectrum audio watermarking does not spoil the subjective acoustic quality and is fairly accurate in estimating where the offender was seated.

With a mean estimation error of only 44 centimeters, it might be a seat off every now and then, but those are worries for later. To use the technology successfully, however, the theater has to keep a database with info on the identity and seating position of each member of the public so the offenders can be handed over to the police afterwards.

These administrative tasks can of course take place while waiting in line for the metal-detector, and might even come in handy to contact someone who forgot to pick up his phone after the movie ended. The movie-goers can still enjoy a great night out if they pass all the nice security checks and they wont be bothered by any buzzing camcorders anymore.

Everyone wins really.

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  • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

    Should point out, this REALLY doesn’t work for Drive in theatres

  • kenzie

    it will never work!

  • hobbs

    The only thing she wanted to do was show it to her 13 year old brother, however, the alert theater staff called in the police and the girl was arrested.

    that right there made me sad.

  • http://www.10ch.org/ www.10ch.org

    Clearly this looks like a trend, which, if not stopped, will continue on.

  • Anonymous

    *sniff sniff* hmm i smell desperation….. sad they would go through such extremes. what they gonna do fingerprint and dna test on your way in aswell?

  • Skip

    And I thought Americans love their children.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a good idea really. Will still fail though

  • vj EoN

    What if I refuse to give any detailed info about me?
    There’s no law in any democrated country that can mandate me to give any personal info like name and address.
    And to refuse entry if I don’t give any info falls under the category “Innocent until proven guilty”.
    And photos/video cameras are easely fooled with some make-up and smart clothing.
    As long as I’m not caught in the act they still have to produce any evidence that I’m a cammer.
    As I don’t cam movies, or even bother with downloading them, they have no grounds to search me, write down personal info or even take my cell phone.
    And if they really want to implement drastic meassures it’ll most likely kill the movie completely off. Or at least Hollywood.
    But please do implement it as it will solve a lot of problems.
    No more crappy movies from Hollywood, a major dent in the scene on movie releases (basicly they would kill a part of it as they can’t release any movies), no more overpaid poor actors, etc, etc…

  • HAHAHA

    Now I am happy to live a developing country. Nobody cares about this shit too much to bother the viewers like this
    outstandingmovies.blogspot.com

  • AlfmaniaK

    Yep! I also think it will not work… however I’m happy to know that pirates like these are contributing to technology development. If it wasn’t for them, probably there wouldn’t be a job for those who create these creative solutions, like audio watermark…

  • Woot

    MPAA can suck my dick and get lost. This will never work, especially for drive in theaters.

  • unhinged mind

    I guess cams are where I get kinda queasy. I mean most of them suck anyway. I will stick to ripping released DVD’s. I figure once they release em their everyone’s. Even as tempting as pulling down a screener or a telesync is I think I will just wait from now on. This will be my concession to the media folks. But I will never cave in to the mpaa/ifpi goons. Suing dead people and kids is just too much. They truly are nazi’s.

  • kony

    cams suck just wait for someone to upload the screener MUHAHAHA

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Never download Cams anyway.

    Patience is a virtue,
    wait for a TC/screener :D

  • disgruntled male

    “hey can pinpoint almost the exact location that the pirate was in when he recorded the movie.”

    Why does the article assume all cammers are males?

  • Johnny LaRue

    How the hell goes to the movies anymore?

    Movies suck these days, the theatres are smelly and full of germs and filth, and who wants to pay $10 per person? Especially if you are going to have to sit in a mini police-state with zit-faced teens staring at you through night-vision goggles. Fuuck that!

    Big-screen TVs are so common these days, why the hell bother going and lining up like cattle to fill the pockets of those a$$holes in the MPAA? Watching a movie at home, you can smoke, drink, have better and cheaper munchies, pause the movie to piss, fuuck, or whatever.

    The theatres are also filled with annoying teen-spaz types anyways. Not a fun place to go.

    BTW I hope the people in the MPAA all die painful deaths at the hands of roving hoards once this depression really gets started. That would be hilarious.

  • anon

    They are probably trying to determine whether the CAMS are being produced in the booth as opposed to the seats.

    I suspect more camming takes place by employees than folks in the seats.

    Its to bad about that young lady, what jerks these people are?

  • the.dwarfer

    clearly a fake story to make people afraid. most cams you can barely hear the actors let alone detect a subtle variance in spatial audio.

    ——— THIS JUST IN ——–

    the RIAA have embedded a unique radio isotope in every CD-R made that will alert their satellites if it is burnt with DRM free files. Stop burning illegal files now or they will find you and rape your family!

  • Charax

    “To use the technology successfully, however, the theater has to keep a database with info on the identity and seating position of each member of the public so the offenders can be handed over to the police afterwards.”

    So just cam from your local indie screen, or just anywhere that doesn’t allocate specific seats (or just go to a not-full showing and, y’know, sit somewhere else before you cam…

  • lol

    You might wanna put another “I” into Virgina

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    PARDON what was that, oh they are DRMING the files now too , good stop buying it all together now, YUP watch holly dummies as no one goes to the store and buys and then wat

    OH DAMN aliens are pirating it ya thats it, get kirk on hte line we have to space him …..

  • Bwgaha

    That reminds me of the tactic “if you dont want some people to steal, just cut the both hands of the whole world population.

    Getting more desperate than ever before. And of course, alienating more and more people.

    The hollywood is so creative in selfdestruction tactic and in wasting money.. it’s almost amazing.

  • JACK

    Since these people are obviously terrorists, organized crime or
    child pornographers could you just be on the lookout for

    a. kalishnakov/burka
    b. fedora/trenchcoat
    c. wierd guy

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    ALSO , for an uploader here is a way to totally get round it.
    A) send it to a single friend have him go to someones house you don’t like and use there net to upload it, walk away laughing your head off…..

  • Bwgaha

    anyway, cam’s suck so much. Screeners are much better .)

  • Alcari

    So you’re telling me that they plan to catch a specific audio watermark and trace it to within 44cm of the location in the theater… from an audiosource where I can’t even distinguish between a man or woman without looking at the screen?

    Pardon me while I laugh.

  • anonymous

    this won’t work for most theaters because I can’t imagine most theaters forcing people to ID themselves just to see a freaking movie.

  • Anonymous

    All movie goers treated like criminal. HAHAHA! Movie theater dead.

  • Ji

    over here in the UK Fact offers cinema staff £1000 for identifying pirates, cheap americans! :P

    the movies industries biggest problem is the fact that cinema staff get paid minmum wage and really dont give a shit about checking for piracy, most them are students just working partime jobs and probobly download just as much “illegal” content as anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    Do they really have metal detectors in US cinemas? Wow.

  • TheFuzzball

    Next thing you know you’ll have to fill out a huge form and have your DNA taken when you want to buy a DVD, but you can still rip it and they have no way of tracing it…

  • Anonymous

    #8

    A privately owned movie theater isn’t put under the same restrictions as the police. The owner/manager of the theater can refuse service to anyone for any reason since it’s *their* property.

    The legal concept “innocent until proven guilty” has nothing to do with this situation, but property law does.

  • jackson.polyps

    well if we all stop going to movie theaters and they kill torrents we have to buy the dvd,bluray, or digital dload. lets see make 10$ off one person for admission to a movie(movie companies take a percentage) or make 30$ on a dvd or bluray? and you people think they are self destructing? haha what they want is for you to pay 30$ for a digital downlaod, this cuts out all the “middle man” and movie companies profit more than ever!

    and artists bitch that they loose money, how about all the no talent ass clowns that are only there to profit off the artist? artist would make more money if they did this themselves, we do not need a monopolies(movie industry) for distribution any longer, the internet does far more for promoting artists and their projects than any asshole movie exec!

  • wedmp

    and that’s the point where RFID can help out .. underneath every seat and soon every one will carry at least one all the time.
    And without ID no Film

    yaaay Orwell is living large

  • crashsystems

    Supposing that this new technology does work, I think it could easily be fooled. Simply don’t record the audio in the same place you are recording the video. The surveillance footage will show some guy with no camera in his hands.

    If you want to be even more fancy, record the audio in several places. Once you leave the cinema, merge the various recordings into one file using Audacity.

  • pirates will always win

    I see 3 things happening as a result of this:

    1) Cammers will have a 2nd audio man elsewhere in the theater (or perhaps even a different screen/theater!) so the audio location will not match the cam location

    2) Before long someone will write a program to decode and remove or scramble the audio watermark, thus making it useless

    3) Theaters will lose more $ driving away honest customers with police state tactics than they would have lost to cammers.

    The moment you start “demanding my papers” just to see a fucking movie is the last time I ever set foot in a movie theater.

    I can’t wait to see the shitstorm the first time they try to arrest some 65 year old lady with her grandkids because the system made a false ID

  • mikeydoodledo

    dam nightvision goggles? so when i wanna finger bang my gf @ the back an mayb get lucky some 17yr old geek boys gona be perving ? thats terrible

  • Chris-Mouse

    This is really going to be useless in Canada.
    Under the Canadian privacy act, an individual is not required to reveal personal information for a business transaction. The business is not permitted to use the refusal as grounds to refuse the transaction unless they can show a legal requirement, or show that the transaction is not possible without the information.
    I’d like to see a theatre try to claim that they are physically unable to let me sit in a seat during the show without knowing my name and home address.

  • This is just the start

    Screw screening people when they enter the Cinema for violating copyright.. I say do it earlier!
    Take a DNA sample while they are stiill a dividing fetus and check for markers which make the individual prone to copyright infringment.

    If they show increased potential for such activities, i’m sure the MPAA could get a warrent for their abortion.
    Perhaps when stem cell therapy takes off, they can use it to extend the already overdue working lifespan of existing hollywood actors – and then sell the excess off to the highest bidder!
    Win win! :D

  • CCC

    simple stop going to theater

  • freetard

    “a Virgina teenager was busted a while back for recording a few seconds of the movie Transformers on her cell-phone. The only thing she wanted to do was show it to her 13 year old brother, however, the alert theater staff called in the police and the girl was arrested.”
    ——————

    good.

    who wants to be distracted by some obnoxious bimbo holding up their glowing cellphone in the middle of a dark theater while a movie’s playing?

  • josh

    well if they ever asked me for any information other then to verify my age i would deny it and demand my money back as well as speak with the manager/owner if not let to pass without givin any of my info

  • Traum

    No more screener´s… oh, I’m so happy to wait DVD-rips and real quality and anyway I DON’T BUY those movies OR I DON’T have MONEY to go in theater, too expensive and if I go in theater I wont give any details of my info to their database.

  • Anonymous

    epic fail

  • Joshua

    I don’t see how this is gonna work… in order to not affect the sound quality, it has to be a frequency the people can’t here but cameras can… a little audio filtering anyone?

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  • OMG

    @40 by This is just the start

    “Screw screening people when they enter the Cinema for violating copyright.. I say do it earlier! Take a DNA sample while they are stiill a dividing fetus and check for markers which make the individual prone to copyright infringment.”

    “If they show increased potential for such activities, i’m sure the MPAA could get a warrent for their abortion. Perhaps when stem cell therapy takes off, they can use it to extend the already overdue working lifespan of existing hollywood actors – and then sell the excess off to the highest bidder!”

    ROFL! Very nice post.

  • James

    They better hope this is 100% accurate! I can see people not going to cinemas now as they risk being wrongly accused of camming.

  • Anonymous Coward

    1. If spread-spectrum audio watermarking does not spoil the subjective acoustic quality, then any compressor with a halfway-decent psychoacoustic model will comress it away — or it really does affect quality, which means that it sacrifices quality in the name of anti-piracy.

    2. The logistical challenges to actually implementing a scheme of corrlating your position in the theatre with the location fixed through such a watermarking scheme are overwhelming. And to have this information be presented to a jurist with no reasonable doubt seems, well, doubtful.

    3. 44 centimeters is over a foot and a half! The margin of error is over half the width of a seat in a theatre! To use a speeding ticket analogy, “You were driving between 30 km/h and 80 km/h in a 50 km/h zone, so there’s a 37.5% you were speeding.”

    4. There are often empty seats during a showing. Of course those using camcorders will not move. Remember, if you change seats in the theatre, you’re helping the terrorists win.

  • Samedi

    Simple workaround:

    Record the video from a separate seat while hiding a notetaker (or something with better audio pickup) hidden inside a drink cup.

    Then simply replace the audio on the video with what was captured in the notetaker.

    LOLz 2 fail

  • grawss

    Replacing convenience with hassle is not the way to go. Theaters are already way too expensive, and one more push will keep a hell of a lot of people from going.

  • Brian P

    I don’t even like cammed movies and don’t download them. But the second a theatre chain I’m in starts checking ID’s at the ticket counter or starts making me go through a metal detector or the first time I get frisked at a theatre, I’m gone and never going back, and I’ll be making sure they know exactly why.

  • Anonymous

    @freetard
    “who wants to be distracted by some obnoxious bimbo holding up their glowing cellphone in the middle of a dark theater while a movie’s playing?”

    Hey freetard, do you ever lay awake at night and try to remember what it was like when you had morals?

    Or does the money comfort you?

  • Rotm

    geeeze fuck off already…

  • Tiny

    @Johnny Larue

    You are completely right. Why go to such a trash heap of a theater when you can just plug a VGA cable from your computer to your TV and watch the movie on your own time.

    Honestly the only thing keeping people buying DVDs and going to movie theaters is pure ignorance to what computers can grant you. People have it in their head that it’s hard to figure out how to use a computer so they don’t even try.

  • Anonymous

    well I defiantly don’t want to try and record a movie anytime soon.

  • DG

    Atleast they’re finally embracing new technology :P

  • Goober

    Umm ok, so what happens if the cammer pays cash to see a film?

    You might know which seat he was sat in but don’t have a clue who he/she is

  • SableSlayer

    This is only going to decline their sales even more due to the hassle its going to be for the normal customer.

    So give them HELL!!!

  • JinX

    @17 I agree. Home theaters are REAL reason these fuucks are suffering. Not piracy. If there’s a really good movie playing in IMAX I’ll go to the movies. Otherwise, I’d rather wait for the DVD and eat good popcorn at a twentieth of the price.

    Furthermore, if this things accuracy is a mean 44 cm, isn’t that going to create a lot of false positives? How wide are the seats, like 50 cm?

    If I ever get asked for personal info when I go to a movie, I will make a huge scene, stating exactly what I’ve said here. People need to wake up and stop acting like cattle.

  • wintermute

    isn’t there a law somewhere about privacy? or am I sadly mistaken and we live in some alternate Orwellian universe??

    and arresting a minor that only wanted to piss off a sibling? does she have Mr. Bond’s superphone, where you have several gigs of storage space in there?

    come ON!!!

  • UltraLeetJ

    congratulations to the industry that promotes retards attempting poetry (“singing r.a.p”) and the suckiest movies ever! I really do not want to even hear or see any more b*tching from these morons when the ticket sales for movie thetars, their ONLY hopeful steadier source of income for films, are going low. They screwed it ALL up for themselves first by promoting people without talent, secondly by monopolizing all music, thirdly by forcing people to use game, movie and music players that are horrible (drm) and now with this latest thing at movie teathers. Geez! how much more stupidity can these people regurgitate? maybe, and only maybe if they would look at the good side of whats so bad (“piracy”) then their money would be back. Why do i download music from the internet/ because i have freedom. Why download a movie? you can pause it, rewind it, do a lot. Even make your own mixes out of it. Why would i pay for somethign that is not even close tot his? If this industry would have come with something that’s better than the features and benefits the internet offers (less stop focusing on less money on your checks for a moment and look at the TRUE REASONS why pirates do what they do) then I would perhaps pay. But of course those companies and their logos have the words “disguised cryminals” and “terrorists” all over their pictures and the presidents of such organizations have those words as their last names… plus its all written over their faces too. Something tells me they are quite upset at being really a failure at the recent pirate bay trial that they are going to treat normal, ordinary people like cryminals while they can. It is ABOUT TIME to show these ****** that the rules should be the same,even for them, without mattering if they work for the industry, produce for the industry, ETC> If the system makes a misstake and say, someone from the riaa goes to a movie and is declared guilty i really would like to see these rules applying in the same way as they would for a pirate. After all, we are aiming for JUSTICE, right?

  • Anonymous

    “Everyone wins really.”

    Please tell me you are fucking kidding!!! You are going to submit to a metal detector test??? Not me thanks, privacy is infinitely more important than seeing a movie in a theatre.

  • Domo

    Thats why many people get their audio source from the audio jacks, for the hearing impaired.

    Pinpoint that! pfft.

  • renjin

    That wont even help since a lot of cams don’t use the recorded sound from the camera they use another audio file and put them together for a better sound.

  • neuromancer

    i already don’t go to movie theaters very often, but having my packets searched and going through a metal detector just means i’ll probably go even less. I don’t care about the vast majority of shit movies out there. not to mention that since i am PAYING to go sit in the theater i have the right to refuse an unwarranted search. Considering that I have my own projector at home, whats the use of going to the theaters? I can make my own popcorn too…

  • Jacob

    Lol I do not go to the movies very often at all now. As it is just not worth it. I don’t go because:

    All I would be doing would be supporting the MPAA.

    Most of the movies are out on the WWW before their in my country (New Zealand).

    Sometimes for no apparent reason a random movie or 2 will take several months to come out in the theaters, by which I would have already seen it.

    Most of the movies are crap and are not worth paying for or downloading (as in my country you pay for internet data usage).

    If it is a bad movie I can not fast ford through the bad parts.

    Their might be some annoying people in the theater but you will not know unless you go.

    They always sell stuff like ice creams, popcorn or coca-cola at the movie theaters but they are always really bad and over priced! Their is no way I want to pay $15 (might be more I do not know) to get a ticket, a drink and an ice cream and then have the privilege of siting in a theater for 120minutes with total seating for like 400 people. Because that means that their could be 400people paying $15 each which is $6000 worth of seating for 120mins. It is absurd. That is just like money farming and I am not a vegetable!

    Also I am only 16 and the movie theater people do not want my business. If I try to go to a movie that is rated for people over 16 they ask for my i.d :(.

    And if I do watch a movie and it is a bad one then I just wasted my money.

    They want my moneys. They can have my moneys over my dead body. My money is mine not theirs. I will eat my money before it is given to them. Then they will have to kill me to get my moneys.

    You would think that if the MPAA had brains they would buy ISPs and just ignore pirates. That way if pirates do kill their industry (but I think its them killing their industry) then that will mean pirates use the internet a lot. That will mean that their new ISP companies will make lots of money as they have lots of users. That means they can not lose. But they are not that smart.

    Infact the MPAA are so “not smart” that in their movies the make almost anything explode able without realizing things like petrol, slow burning oils, crude oil, slow crashing cars and other silly things will not explode. Because they do not understand that things need oxygen to burn let alone explode in a fireball. And that for a fire to start their needs to be a spark and oxygen. Lol and oils burn not explode. I guess it would be possible for it to burn so fast that it would be like an explosion and their would be a giant ball of fire. But their would just not be enough oxygen. And only high grade oils would be able to burn like that.

    And that reminds me of the old MPAA movie trick where you see a electronically locked door with a panel nearby. The easiest way to open the door is to whack the panel hard or shoot it (works best with lasers or explosions). Seriously how dum do they think we are….

  • Colin

    The cost to implement such technology far outweighs the amount of money they could save by catching cammers. So it is really stupid. A waste of money.

  • nnsa

    “the position estimation system works by taking advantage of the different channels of the soundtrack, called “host signals.” A watermark embedder generates a watermark signal for each host signal, generating a “watermarked host signal” (WHS). Separate loudspeakers emit each WHS, and a camcorder will record the audio as a mixture of all the WHSs as a single recorded signal.
    In this monaural recorded signal, the watermarked host signal from each loudspeaker is delayed in proportion to the distance from its loudspeaker (the source of origin) to the camcorder’s microphone. The watermark detector can calculate these delays by determining the strengths of each watermarked host signal. Specifically, the detection strength of each watermarked signal will have a peak at a particular time dependent on the delay times”

    “One challenge they face is ensuring that the acoustic quality remains high in the midst of various environmental factors and background noise”

    http://www.physorg.com/news154880123.html

  • PandaMan

    Wash the Audio through a filter…

  • NubCakes

    “1. If spread-spectrum audio watermarking does not spoil the subjective acoustic quality, then any compressor with a halfway-decent psychoacoustic model will comress it away — or it really does affect quality, which means that it sacrifices quality in the name of anti-piracy.”

    Are you just a complete moron or something? Don’t you think that seeing as this is *specifically designed* to be an anti-camming measure that your statement is stupid – like, you think that this prof went to all the trouble of developing then announcing the watermarking system only to have it fail on the very medium it’s meant to survive on.

    Idiot.

    @Jacob: Mate, you were doing so well on restricting your comments to a few paragraphs that people may actually read. But now your back to writing short novels that drift all over the place and include your typical noob crap: repeating plainly obvious facts and bleating out how tough you want to be with such gems such as “the movie studios won’t ever have my dead body” and that movies have unlifelike explosions in them. Most people – unlike you – are able to sort the wheat from the chaff and not even view these movies… also unlike you they don’t have an inflated sense of their own intelligence to cover feelings of inferiority that you seem to have.

    STFU and try to behave somewhat like your real age (16 you said right?) instead of like your 11 year old sister on her rags.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    @ 20 then what yah have to do is get 4 friends cam hte movie and have each get up and move around at diff times and even diff times of the day and see fiolm at diff times
    this movement you cna still splice the ic and audio together and guess what FRAK YOU hollywood hahahhaha

    i agree who goes to a movie theatre

    i sat and watch and its almsot all old people now and very very few others.

    Last time i wnet OUR govt bought ten dollar movie cards and for going to a welfare seminar i got one.
    HRM i thought ill go and see AVP
    i get there 1st off i figure ok ten $ on card ill go and save 6$ maybe for pop and popcorn
    I GET in there and OMG 17$ for pop and popcorn , great way to make a disabled person on welfare waiting for disability to feel good, send him to a movie and tell him frak you you cant afford pop and popcorn.

    OH and i will also tell you that there were spies in there wathcing everyone, and even with that anti cam law i go sit down and some guy sat right next to me and cammed the entire film MUHAHA
    and there was 5 people at prime time in there.
    ya they hurting only morons that go are noobs and fools.

  • Hacker/pirates of the world UNITE

    wash = convert sound to somehting 1st and also you cna sit and watch frames slower and detect any water marking if one frame has somehitng you go back copy the previous and shove it over where that was.

    case closed wasted cash send to
    DUMMY lan
    P.O. Box
    youranoob
    LOA 1K0

  • Anon

    It would just be easier if they made the movies themselves watchers…

  • Yo

    Reminder to myself before going to a movie theater to camcord:
    Don’t forget to screw on the silencer/ flash suppresant onto my HK with a night sight that can detect another night sight.
    After all, I don’t want to ruin the viewing experience by a bang and a flash for other viewers while I’m taking care of business!

  • TM Elmo

    Well at least a couple of you have figured it out … It really is quite simple and already do-able.
    Firstly … an awefull lot of credit and debit cards are already RFID chipped. Most of the US is “switching” to REAL ID or chipped drivers licences … as is Canada!

    Secondly, all it will take are a couple of scanners and a short program to extrapolate the signal strength to determine where you sat!

  • anon

    Reading these kind of news makes me wonder what will MPAA/RIAA/etc think of next.
    Cammers will get around this (audio filtering for example)
    It will not work
    it will only bug a regular cinema visitor who just want to see a movie.
    If i would like to just go to cinema to see a movie and i would have to go thru metal detector, need to show my ID that then get logged, constantly be aware of some guy somewhere with nightvision goggles and being threated as pirate from the start … i mean WTF … all that for just to see a 120 minute movie?

    What next? Cinema takes mugshots of everyone before they can see the movie? Strip search because everyone is a pirate and have camera with them?

    If this goes on like it does, then soon the ammount of people, who still likes to go to movies, will drasticly get smaller. Then MPAA will again say:
    “People don’t go to movies anymore and it is all because of pirates”

    Doesn’t they still get it? Seriusly, doesn’t these guys understand that pirates are not the ones who kill them, it’s themselves! Every step, that they think will protect them is actually killing them! They are not fighting against the pirates, they are fighting against the legit customers who want to give them money! I might not be the smartest guy but last time i checked the main idea of buisness is getting your product out there as much as possible and win the customers … not fighting against them and suing them.

  • Movie Junky

    Attention all Audience.

    The movie which you are about to see will go to black and white every 10 Seconds and the Actors will be randomly replaced by Indian Shepards. This is all done to ensure to prevent piracy so that you will continue to enjoy our movies at a price of only 18$ per seat.

    Now all people in the economy class seating for only 17 dollar 99. I’m sorry but we have overbooked this show, please share your seat with the people waiting at the side of your line. Our night vision seal team will ensure all of you get a continues seating experience of at least 15 continues minutes during the movie.

    Remember to have yourself registered for watching this movie and all commercials in full. Current state law still gives 5 years jail for possible copyright infringement for everyone not able to account for at least 5 movie visits a month.

    Have a nice show!

  • I love it.

    @69, why lash out at Jacob? I thought his post was weirdly entertaining…

    Anyway jah, this whole thing is bullshit.

    Actual, proper, untouched CAM recordings with original CAM audio are rare now. They’re usually mashed up, russian video with english audio, etc.

    What they really need to be worrying about is the screeners and R5s. :/

  • DDD

    Just delay one audio channel. That all

  • wut

    How will that audio watermark be affected by compression? If it doesn’t change the sound of the movie then will certain compressions will supress it? Kinda like how mp3 compression totally screws up your hearing in the mid range freqs.

  • Epic

    Heck they could do like the South Koreans and just assign seats at the box office. But the problem with keeping records of people seeing movies is more of a quantity issue. Think about a popular theater on a Saturday. If they have 30+ theaters and an IMAX and they play movies from 0900 to 0300 then that would be too much to monitor. But really, finding a cammer is not worth this kind of innovation. Not even a lost cell phone is.
    If movie theaters want to make more profit then improve the theaters. Innovation should go into making your customer feel like a king (or queen). Instead of night vision goggles and paying your clerks to be more attentive. Use that money to bring admission down or pay the clerks to offer foot massages. I mean anything to get people to believe leaving the house is worth it. Here in Korea they seem to have caught on to this way of customer first policy. (They haven’t started giving foot massages). I have yet to see the clerks spy on the theaters. Nor is there warnings of $500 fines. When I was Guam on the other hand the theaters were suspicious and they seemed to not care about the customer.

  • blitz

    I’d guess someone will come up with an audio filter that does away with the watermark and that will be it.

    And I cannot understand how they are going to determine the time of the actual camming. Determining a seat is good only if you can pinpoint the time, too. Given the minimum run of a film as two weeks, 5 sessions a day and the 44cm error margin you get 14x5x2 = 140 suspects to choose from.

    Most valueable (i.e., used in the counterfeit VCD creation) camming occurs in empty theaters. And the culprit is more likely not the viewers but mostly the cinema personnel.

  • Mario

    So what are they going to do about kids who don’t yet have any ID and who pay cash? Trust them not to make up a false identity, or phone their parents and get them to swear that the child is theirs? And how will they know that the person they talk to *is* the kid’s parent?

    You know what would stop cammers? International release dates and reducing ticket prices. That way you also increase your audience. They have to make policy changes which *encourage* people to go to the cinema, not *discourage* them.

    What are they going to try next, making cinema-goers wear straight-jackets?

  • Bgeorge

    Just change seats to copy the movie… and watch while some grandmother gets her door kicked in by the SWAT team for camming a new movie. :)

  • daniel

    does anyone watch cam?

  • spectra

    I don’t really think this system will ever work and if it did, there are so many ways around. Like compressing the audio, filtering certain frequencies, phase shifting, combining the audio from several cam records, adding your own digital effect like reverb, etc just to ruin the watermark.

    Still imo the cam recording the cam recording in movie theatres is lame. Either perfect digital copy or gtfo!

    Piracy will _never_ kill the movie theatres. Going to the movies is more like a social occasion than must-see-this-new-shit thing. You cannot possibly drag all your friends to you living room to watch the film. Hanging out with your friends at a restaurant, eating drinking co. and then going to watch the movie together is THE thing. And it don’t need to be the lates blockbuster by Hollywood.

    I’d just love to see Evil Dead in BIG screen even though I have it on dvd.

  • uskomaton

    Who cares.
    Movies these days suck anyway, I can easily wait for them to get on TV or DVD and watch them in the privacy of my home, at least I can then avoid all the cellphone talking, candy wrapper ripping, talking with their buddies, assholes, that seem to frequent movies these days.

    Besides, movies suck.

  • name

    Be the nerd that i am i was thinking of going to see the new star trek but if this ever happened that one movie a year i go out to see would be zero
    …this reminds me of 1984

  • harpdog

    lets hope all those POTS guys do get caught then we wont have all the bandwidth in the internet wasted on the shit quality movies.

    Fuck them.

  • John

    @ 84

    Exactly!
    Pirates and Cinemas compete for different markets.

    Pirates cater for two target audiences imho.

    1 – people who want to see the latest films first.

    2 – people who want something new to watch on there laptop on long journeys/in bed.

    There’s no way a cinema can cater for type 2 people, as they don’t want to sit in your cinema.

    Type 1 people want to see the latest films first.
    Price, quality, experience – none of that matters, as long as they have seen it before / as well as their friends.

    The reason these people turn to screeners, generally, is because the film isn’t out in there contry yet.

    One of my mates is always watching crappy screens of new films which are out in the states but not the UK.

    I can’t do it. The sound and video quality frustrates me.
    The popcorn isn’t better, because i don’t buy popcorn in anticipation of watching pirated screeners!
    Cinema food, even if it is £6 for a disposable container of sugary water and some heated seeds with salt on top, is still better than nothing.

    I don’t like people eating on my sofa because of the mess it makes.

    Cinema is all about the experience… with your mates, watching something none of you have seen before… you can all talk about it afterwards on the way home. It’s nice.

    In my opinion, the biggest factor that stopped me going to the cinema as much is my xbox360/Wii/PS3.

    Playing games with friends is more fun than watching films with friends any day!

  • pendragon

    if they’re actually loosing money, where do they get the cash for all these sci-fi technologies?

  • Dan

    I once took a picture of that sign that says you cant use cameras in the cinema. For a joke.

    Little did i know i could have been arrested for that.

    This world is perfetic :( (except you lot)

  • Alex

    Great, so their idea is to basically catalog everyone who comes into a theater, regardless of their intentions. Maybe the industry should start making more worthwhile films, or recognize that there’s a huge demand to see these films. Maybe prices shouldn’t be so high, maybe we should try to think of other ways to “combat piracy” instead of invading our privacy. This things passes, forget going to the movies, I don’t need that. I’ll risk downloading over that, or wait until the DVD comes out.

  • Thinker

    Umm… I guess this works if there is one and only one showing of the movie. How are watermarks going to indicate what day/time/screen?

    Not workable.

    There’s also a Chinese fire drill… everyone changes seats each time some goes to the lobby.

    Easy solutions to work around complex technology.

  • vj EoN

    @33

    I could agree if a cinema is really private and by invites only.
    But here’s the catch…
    They need to be publicly accessable or else they don’t have any customers.
    Same story with supermarkets, most stores, public transportation, etc…
    A while back I refused to open my bag to check for its contents.
    I got banned from that store and sought legal counsel about this matter.
    My counselor send a nice letter stating that the store who banned me can’t do that without any propper cause and proof because they need the openness to the public to do business.

    For me it is pretty simple.
    If I need give all kinds of personal info just in case or leave it is pretty easy for me.
    I’ll leave and never come back again.
    I wait till the dvd-rip is released and if it the movie is good I’ll buy it. If it sucks it is of my HDs within 15mins.

    And in a world where a movie is already released to DVD in certain region while in another region it still needs be released into the cinemas.
    What do mean by shooting yourself in the foot? lol

  • JTK

    When I go my local cinema, I buy a ticket, get over priced popcorn go to the screen, choose a seat and watch.

    No handing over of details, no specific seats for each customer, no metal detectors, no DNA tests, no shit like that.

    Meaning that if they did start pulling this shit, no one would use the cinema anymore.

    This will never work.

  • JTK

    Also, what’s to stop people from giving fake info?

    Spotty teenager employee: “whats your name, address and phone number”
    Me: “My name is Ben Dover, I live on 123 Fake Street and my number is 666-666-666″

  • anonymous

    Here in mexico some theaters have reserved seating where you choose your seat. if you paid by CC they would have your location. I don’t imagine anyone with a cam would wait for the release to reach mexico or use a CC, but you never know. Maybe these nice theaters have reached the states but I never saw them when I lived there.

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  • djnforce9

    @84:

    For me, the “experience” has really degraded over time at the theatre. I would much rather watch at home because:

    1. Home theatre systems are catching up in terms of replicating what it’s like to be at the theatre (ESPECIALLY audio quality). High Definition Video looks MUCH better too. You can literally see every bit of dust on theatre film.

    2. It’s MUCH cheaper to buy and make popcorn from a grocery store ahead of time than at the theatre. Plus you have a greater selection (chips, candy, sandwiches, etc.

    3. Watching at home means you can pause the movie to go to the washroom or even discuss a certain part. You can also replay parts of it if you (or a buddy) missed something important the first time through. The washrooms are quite a distance to go in the theatre when you want to make it back as quickly as possible.

    4. It’s just you and your buddies. No other people breaking the immersion with chatter, cell phones, etc (young kids are the WORST for this (e.g. While watching 10,000 B.C. this one little kid a row behind me kept asking stupid questions during every scene and it was annoying as hell)). No lineups to worry about either which is very nice

    5. Watch it at any time and even more than once. You don’t have to depend on any “schedule” other than when your buddies are available.

    6. Clean environment. Assuming you take care of your home, it is a FAR nicer place to be than a dirty theatre (and trust me when I say they ARE dirty as I worked in one for a while back in college. Nobody has any time to go clean the seat covers and what not. Only the floors are cleared and that’s it)

    7. Commercials! Commercials!! Commercials!!! You pay top dollar to see a movie yet you are bombared by at least 20-30 minutes of ads for useless products (usually nameless phone brands and cars) as well as previews to movies you’ll likely never want to see. You can’t leave to go for a walk either and come back when the movie starts because you’ll be likely to lose your seat (sometimes some inconsiderate idiot steals your spot even when you just go to the washroom).

    So yeah, the ONLY two reasons I’d go to a theatre is because:
    1. I want to see the movie and do not want to wait until a DVD release. I’m betting that if a DVD came out the same time as the movie in theatres, ticket sales would drop dramatically. I’m sure this is well known and thus DVD’s aren’t sold until later ON PURPOSE.

    2. I would go to a theatre is for those 3D movies (e.g. Journey to the Center of the Earth) as the hardware needed to replicate that at home is quite expensive (then again, the prices go UP when you go see one of those for that very reason).

  • Hellmark

    Everyone wins? Really? How? It is just people being subjected to having to deal with more crap. The vast majority doesn’t record movies in theaters, so why force them to go through lines, and show ID, to do something that MAY (not will) catch a small handful of people. Compare the number of movie th eaters out there, to the number of people who cam movies. Thousands more theaters, right? Now throw in the number of legal people, and you end up with a giant cluster fuck, of people who are doing no wrong but being inconvenienced anyway.

  • Leo

    Hah!

    This is easy to fool, the speed of sound is 340m/s When the accuracy is indeed 44cm it means there has to be a small time difference between the left and right channel of about 0.00129411765 seconds.

    Just delay the right and the left channel randomly with 1/1000th of a sec and you have destroyed the watermark.

    Such a watermark breaker is easy to implement, give me a hour and i have it done. If the MPAA is spending money on this they could just as well flush it through the toilet.

  • pete

    i don’t care! cam rips suck anyway!

  • Antkiller

    Well i hate what they are doing…but I love the technology….from the scientific point of view…its relly interesting

  • ForTheHateOfCopyright

    who would download a cammed movie anyway?

  • JTK

    @101, I think it was being sarcastic.

  • hopar

    cammed movies suck anyways…DVD rips are the way to go

  • Tombot

    If I have to show ID to see a movie, I’m not goin’! Netflix FTW!

  • Anonymous

    So they can find out where the pirate sat *after* they recorded the film? So what?

  • inc

    time to use cash

  • oh-lol

    so what? from now you need to identify yourself in a fukkin cinema?

    well fuck that sir. thats worse than dvd adverts.

  • pirateer

    i still laugh hard when i hear about cellphone arrests.

  • nidx

    ok, people keep saying a home theater is better, lets do some math, good blu-ray system is ~$2000 (1k tv, 350 bd-player, 650 audio) for a basic setup. ok, now take 2 people going to a movie it’s about $50 all in with popcorn and tickets meaning it would take about 200 movies (about 4 years at 1 per week) to break even with just the initial costs, that is not even counting the $5 to rent or $30 to buy the movie/ electric bills/etc.. and anyone who says that experience can compare to an imax experience is kidding themselves, that said cams suck so I don’t know if this antipiracy is good or bad overall. i think less cams is a great thing, they pollute search results.

  • your neighborhood pirater

    @101 do no deride the businesses’ economic decisions. if they feel that their measures will create more of a profit, then so be it. being sanctimonious, derisive, and sarcastic, much like torrentfreak’s articles are becoming, is as pointless as it is biased.

    @102 of course the watermark can be obfuscated to protect the identity of the cammer. these measures will not prevent unauthorized recordings; it will significantly decrease them.

  • Crom

    @76 Thats why I carry a lined wallet to protect the RFID cards. Not that I wanted them in the 1st place, but if you want to drive, you have to have it.

    @112 – Bluray setup = approx $3000 with everything?

    You forget that not having to sit with a bunch of obnoxious, smelly, baby-crying, teenager BS, people talking, Sticky floor, dirty seat theatre = Priceless.

  • Me

    This is why the economy sucks, granted pirates are taking away from the rich, the theatres are paying for all this high tech equipment just to catch people trying to get a free movie. Why don’t they pay to get stuff to cath real ciminals. You know like murderers and the like?

  • icecream

    Solution to the problem:

    Let everyone skip cinema for couple of months, that should create some stir in Hollywood.

    Seriously i would rip your head off and piss down your throat if you were to check my bag or treat me with suspicion in the cinema. Cinema is the place of rest, a place where I want to go out with my wife, watch a movie have a kiss.

    I don’t consider my self well behaved so I am already sorry for the dude that I would spot steering at me in dark corner of movie theater with goggles on.

  • Babo Sanko

    Reflects how stupid these assholes really are. It’s the employees who should be looked into more thoroughly since probably well over half those leaks come from them. Oh well, keep enjoying free shows at the incompetence of the purveyor.

  • jmndos

    Its not the airport….its a movie.

    I’m pretty sure that they are breaking laws when they do this.

    They would have to state that they do these intrusive searches on their web site and offer full refunds to anyone that has bought tickets but doesnt wanna be groped….

    I wonder what they would do with a guy in a metal wheel chair…or in crutches…or a metal hip.

  • Anonymous

    What about all the kids and teens that don’t have any ID. I would imagine they make up a large percentage of the camming population. Are theatres going to just not let them in? That would be a giant cut in their profits. Why is the MPAA acting like a suicidal self-destructive emo kid? Isn’t the economy bad enough without wiping out the entertainment industry?

  • RadioHead

    The IMEI number your cell emits is enough to identify you. Triangulation tech to pinpoint the location of the IMEI numbers sitting in the theatre is not expensive.

    Your cell also emits a bluetooth serial number, possibly a WiFi MAC address. Radio emitters can be very easily located in space.

    Then there’s also RFID.

    No need to tell anyone your name. Your credit card/cell phone/gameboy have enough radio in them to tell on you. And some camcorders are now having bluetooth built in for ease of uploading.

    Oh, and the watermark signal needs not be embedded in the film. The theatre could easily be equipped with a few extra low-power speakers putting out just imperceptible white-noise.

    Most of this tech would be very unintrusive.

  • Ken in Vegas

    >The audio watermarks go much further though, as they can pinpoint almost the exact location that the pirate was in when he recorded the movie.

    A preposterous scare tactic. Film in mono.

  • Former Regal Employee

    I used to work for one of the biggest movie theaters around (not a mom & pop)…

    This will not work for a few reasons:

    1. Hahahaha, good luck enforcing this stuff in an actual theatre setting. Its hard enough worrying about making fresh popcorn in a workplace like that, so having to log and maintain all the guests in theatre, make sure they are in the correct seat etc etc would require such a large staff than theatres already hire, ticket prices would SKY ROCKET more than they already have.

    2. Since tickets would be so high to pay for the staff people would stop going. After realizing that they going to the movies is now like getting on an airplane, people will stop going.

    3. Pirates will find a way around these rules, especially since they seem so hard to enforce.

    4. Its hard enough getting people to decide what movie they want to see so you can help the next customer in line who is running late to their movie…and now you have to collect their ID information? Gimmie a break…

    … it will never work

  • Scallywag

    Audio watermarks… pretty easy to get around, just speed up or slow down the audio slightly (of course keep it synced with the video, which may need to be sped up or slowed down accordingly).

    The change in speed wont be noticeable to those who watch, but the slight change in frequency would likely get around their audio watermarking, or at least confuse it.

    Heres why I think so:

    Have you ever tried to upload a copyrighted song to MySpace only to have the ban you almost instantly? Like how did they know it was a copyrighted song?

    Well I dont know the exact answer to that BUT i do know that if you put the song/mp3/whatever into an audio editing program and speed it up or slow it down SLIGHTLY, then upload it to MySpace, their filter wont catch it!

    So thats my guess on a quick workaround for these sonic watermarks

  • nephilim

    The solution to audio watermarking is to post-process the audio in your scene release with the same watermarking, it will destroy the pattern of the original. (It’s basic steganography, encode more information to destroy the original.)

    Oh, and to post #8… You are required under US law to give your proper name and identification to any law enforcement agency on request once they identify themselves as such. It is a crime to hide your identity from the police for the very reasons you cite. However, there IS an exemption for diminished capacity or mental illness, so maybe you have amnesia or something…

  • nephilim

    Oh, and at post 121, if they’re modulating at different frequencies on different speakers you can pinpoint the location in mono as the rate of constructive/destructive interference of sound waves would give you the distance from every speaker. The physics are pretty simple if you identify the mean amplitude.

    This is also why changing the speed of playback wouldn’t work. You still identify the mean, you KNOW the rate of modulation, so it’s cake to find what’s changed.

    Again, the solution would be to introduce a constant destructive or constructive modulation to the audio track the same way the MPAA is trying to, possibly making it spell out “F*** THE MPAA” in morse code.

    Beyond all that, what good could it possibly be to know where a cammer WAS? Are they expected to use the same seat every time? Unless there’s some way of detecting the EM interference of the recorder and conforming that to a pattern matching system, which there ISN’T unless they put everyone in some kind of magnetic cage or something, it does absolutely no good.

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  • Horse

    Cams are ridiculously crap anyway, so the people who are making them are just being stupid.

    They’d be better off wearing cut-off t-shirts & winkle pickers and taking it up the botty like good little boys. It’s either that or get caught & being dragged through a ridiculous court case and getting sent to prison for 68 years then getting raped 8-254 times a day by mister I’ve-killed-308-prostitutes-with-my-bare-hamster’s-penis-gorilla-man.

  • bbfg

    Fixed seatings will never work.

  • Ipecac

    I can still remember what happened in E.T., I hope I don’t get sued for my memory.

  • David D.

    I don’t bother downloading crappy camrips anyway.
    No harm done

  • Anonymous

    Duh.. So just record the audio and video separately. You could slip a recording device near someone else’s seat. A lot of movie theaters have curtains on the wall. Stick one there on the way in.

    Are their cameras so good that they can pinpoint the exact moment that an exact individual brushes past the wall on the way in or out?

    Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it, fuckers.

  • Zaphod

    I quit flying when they got overly invasive, guess I’ll quit going to the theaters.

    #1 Rule of business: Don’t screw with your customers.

    I don’t think they are listening.

  • jumbojimbo

    Have you ever seen a movie recorded this way? They blow, HARD. Maybe I’ve only seen movies done by amateurs, but they were bad. The worst part is the audio.

  • djnforce9

    @131: Actually the worst part is how most cammers don’t know how to shut off the auto-focus on their cameras (or just don’t bother). Every time there is a dark scene, everything goes blurry and completely unviewable as the camera tries to refocus on a more distant object (that doesn’t exist) and this lasts until sometime bright appears on the screen. If you watched a SAW IV (or any other “dark”) cam rip, you would immediately know why this is a huge problem. I skip cam and telesync rips entirely and wait for DVDScr or DVDrip (although DVDScr sometimes have other undesirable effects such as randomly going black and white (Saw and Taxi had it) or having a “property owned by” water mark on screen all the time (warner brothers movies).

  • Pirate supporter

    F**K ‘em, I say. Watching a movie in a theater is not worth the money. Wait until it is out on the scene or in the video store.

    F**K ‘em!

  • TheGman

    great more big brother!

  • Fuck The Theatres

    How about instead of watching a shitty cam you just go see the movie for free in the theatres?

    You can get a ton of people into a movie with just 2 tickets:

    Buy 2 tickets, and 2 people go in find seats, then one person goes back outside with both stubs and hands off one off to a 3rd person..

    just flash the stub and say you were already inside and just went out for a smoke or to make a phone call. Usually best to not re-enter together. Repeat as many times as necessary.

    It doesn’t always work if its really slow and there’s only 1 guy taking the tickets all night, but most places you can get several people in no problem as long as its a little busy. Just don’t try to sneak 10 people into a sold out show – paying customers get pissed when all the seats are taken lol

  • Anonymous

    #6

    Americans only love mcdonalds and oil money

  • download

    Who the f*ck will go to the movies if they know this now? It’s suicide from those suckers in Hollywood

  • Nexus

    This has been going on for quite a while.

    Here are audio samples of the watermarks, as well as the relevant patent:

    ifile.it/c7ex1hj

    Files included:

    DTS Audio Watermarking in Movies (Gothika sample) (amplified).mp3
    DTS Audio Watermarking in Movies (Gothika sample) [Sonogram 2].jpg
    DTS Audio Watermarking in Movies (Gothika sample) [Sonogram].jpg
    DTS Audio Watermarking in Movies (Gothika sample).mp3
    DTS To Introduce Security Enhancements For Cinema Audio Content Protection.txt
    Method and apparatus for determining digital AV content distribution terms (DTS) [US Patent 7124114].pdf
    Same clip in SRD (Dolby) [no apparent watermarking].mp3

  • Anonymous

    why wouldn’t you record the sound in mono?

  • Melmac

    Most of you weren’t around for Centropy or MaVeN. There are VERY good TSs. They need to crack the DTS discs again, that was the best solution for audio.

  • Phoenix

    I think the technology behind this is interesting, however implementing this will fail. They would have to prove so and so was actually sitting in that location and now that we know about it, who’s to stop you from moving to another seat. If it’s orchestrated properly, it would be impossible to prosecute someone sanely.

  • Guy

    When exactly will single-screen, small-town theaters start recording everyone’s seat and buying night-vision goggles when they don’t even have the money to pay real employees?

    These theaters are either run for fun, or the staff is too busy trying to make a profit.

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  • CR

    Fuck Hollywood. Read/Youtube Jordan Maxwell and what he thinks of Hollywood. Spell busting!

  • too easy

    Just record film at one place, then audio at multiple seats (4 or more to be safe). Then mix those multiple audio recorded audio into one average audio channel. Position data is lost and cannot be checked and “Everyone wins”.

  • Dave

    This is dumb. Why would anyone go to a theater that makes you go through a security screen? Obviously they pass the charges on. Most projectionist do pirating anyways.

  • Anonymous

    More money to waste, and less profits.

  • ~M

    So “Prof. Babaguchi and colleagues” come up with some proof of concept for audio tracking and the internet takes it from there to “spread the word of the latest sinister RIAA tactic.” Wow. Way to stick it to the RIAA guys… this is the very last thing they would want you to do. ~M

  • PicAFlic

    I work for Regal Cinemas, and at my theater I work at, we recently had a staff meeting saying we are getting some new tools in helping to cut down on piracy. This must be what they’re talking about.

  • movies?

    So in order for this spatial thing to work I assume they need to compare the loudness for forward and back and compare the signal strength between left and right to get that axis.

    What are you Einsteins going to do when the pirates get smart enough to turn their recordings to MONO so you have to arrest the entire ROW of viewers?

    Not only is this scheme technically easy to bypass its impossible to enforce. Are you going to start asking for contact information of your viewers in case the pirates are smart enough to use CASH to pay for their movies?

    I have not been to the movies in many years because of the overpriced concessions, inability to use the bathroom without missing parts of the movie, rude noisy patrons and dirty theaters. This is just ONE MORE reason for me to stay the heck away from the movies even if there is a movie I want to see. I’m glad I am missing the strip searches and other invasions of privacy coming down the pipes.

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  • dontwasteyourmoney

    I think I’ve been to a theater once in the past two years. What a huge waste of money. I project 90″ on my 14×12′ livingroom wall with 7.1 surround. This cost me about $2000 over 5 years to build. That comes out to about 8 theater visits a year. I don’t have to worry about all the stupid rules. I don’t have to pay $5 for Junior Mints or $5 for a 16oz watered down Coke. And now, I don’t have to worry about some pimply teenage theater worker with night-vision goggles checking out my wife’s rack.

    Boycott theaters.

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  • Not a Pirate

    So, basically record the film without sound, and have a few of your friends place sound recording equipment in strategic locations around the theatre, in order to frame ‘that bothersome old-couple’ the schoolchildren and the football team.
    As a nice side effect you can either piece all the tapes together, creating a patchwork of misleading info, or perhaps re-create that nice 7.1 surround-experience.

    Really, they get big guns, we get bigger guns. They get stupid and hand us RFID-tagged tickets, we reprogram those tickets to read ‘GTFO Mickey’ or whatnot.
    It really boils down to this: Trust.
    Have some.

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  • Al

    Not only are movies way over priced but now they’re spying on me with infrared glasses while I watch? Just another reason to avoid movie theaters.

  • Trelew

    All that time, effort, and resources went into this and still there is not a common cure for corporate greed. Pity!

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