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Avatar’s a BitTorrent Hit, But Fox Plays Down Piracy ‘Threat’

Avatar is doing great at the box office so it will come as no surprise that it is also very popular on BitTorrent. However, rather than the usual overreaction to piracy, Fox is playing down the leak and saying it will have a much smaller effect on profits. In the meantime, a lesser-known release blog is thrust into the spotlight.

Set on a moon under siege by humans determined to exploit its resources, the new sci-fi extravaganza ‘Avatar’ from Titanic director James Cameron is the most hotly anticipated film of the year. It comes as no surprise, therefore, that some people want to try and download an illicit copy from the Internet.

Just before the official US release, that became possible. There appears to be several releases of the movie online, although some appear to originate from the same TS (Telesync) copy, although without downloading and watching them all, that is very hard to verify from the screenshots currently available.

Normally an Internet leak of a movie, particularly one the size of Avatar, leads to furious statements from the studios. Indeed, when a movie is leaked before it hits US theaters, as was the case with productions such as Star Wars Episode III, Wolverine and now Avatar, the FBI usually gets called in. This time things seem a little different.

This weekend a press release began to circulate which quotes Eden Wright, a Fox representative, saying that due to the movie’s availability in 3D at the cinema, “piracy will play a much smaller role in stealing profits from [Avatar] due to the technological hurdles it imposes.”

It’s difficult to disagree with Wright. James Cameron has gone to extraordinary lengths to produce this 3D movie and seeing a blurred copy acquired from the Internet will just ruin the whole experience – people who are prepared to pay will want to see it properly.

Indeed, the figures seem supportive. Avatar pulled in more than $3.5 at its midnight launch with 3D viewings accounting for 85% of the gross. On Friday it took $27 million, with 3D accounting for 58% of the gross.

However, there are always those that either don’t have the money or easily succumb to the temptation. These people have been feverishly hitting BitTorrent and according to data collected by TorrentFreak, thus far Avatar has clocked up around 500,000 downloads in just two days.

The press release mentioned earlier also put a lesser-known blog firmly in the spotlight. “James Cameron’s Avatar first appeared on a blog GetTheNew.com,” it read, going on to say that such sites “…now account for as much as 20% of online piracy.”

While the release states that the site is a source of information, those unfamiliar with how Internet piracy works could be forgiven for thinking that somehow GetTheNew was responsible for the leak, but that’s not true.

GetTheNew, which opened just this September, told TorrentFreak that while they may have been the first site to publish the name of the pirate release (which incidentally leaked to P2P first, an increasing phenomenon), any Google searches the site provided would have come up blank since the movie had not hit public torrent sites yet. All GetTheNew had published at the time was a review of the movie and links to the relevant pages on IMDB.

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  • Ahmed1337x

    I loved the movie.. Watched it in 3D, wow…

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  • nny4lenore

    first

  • Joe

    so dumb, news stories referencing release sites just makes people who read them who don’t know much about piracy check it out thus increasing p2p users.

    I’m not complaining as I’m all for piracy, just saying…

  • n

    Must make a +1 to urge everyone to see this in 3D, its amazing!!!

  • Lord Alderaan

    Yup. Great watch in 3D.

    I was a bit afraid it would be a mere gimmick and simply annoying or that it would take away attention from the actual movie.

    But it honestly made the movie more visually stunning without hampering with the (imho) great story.

  • James

    Hopefully this will teach Hollywood a lesson by pumping out more 3-D movies.
    It give people a real reason to watch a movie in a theater.

  • Anony

    Pretty crap movie. Saw it day after release. Predictable plot, very little character development, awful dialogue and the plot devices are pretty standard.

    It looks VERY good (in 3D), but I want more from a movie than that.

    I’d rate it 4/10.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, because of the 3D, piracy isn’t a big threat for this one.

  • Erfa

    It made more than $3.5 at the midnight laungh? Wow, that’s like a third of one person seeing the movie” Not pad. :P

  • Internet Joe

    I agree. Movie producers should make more 3Ds and less normal movies so this way the cinema can give you something that you can’t get for free.

  • Arie

    Just went to see it in 3D. I have to say unlike others, that I don’t like the 3D. Sure its nice to see some depth, but that only could be better too, there was no consistency in what was 3D and what not. Those big ass floating mountains for example were no 3D at all.
    Then I come to the part where it is quite tiring for your eyes, and maybe it was only @ my cinema but those glasses are like sunglasses. It darkens everything, I would have liked it to be more light.
    When the Blu-Ray is out I’ll definitely am going to see this in 2D again.
    My conclusion; 3D is nice, I must give it some credit, but this is nothing for me.

  • Internet Joe

    The only problem I have is when they start whining about losing money. This proves that if something is worth paying for, it’s a good business.

  • ???

    @ 7
    take yor sh1t somewhere els you nit picking ass the movie was great

  • Anonymous

    Way 2 go Sony. Finally downplaying piracy. If anyone ever gets raided, just tell them that I guess you are jealous that you weren’t first. Anywho, will prob see movie later also.

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  • adam

    @10 “this way the cinema can give you something that you can’t get for free.”

    Like gum in your shoes, soda on your pants, popcorn in your hair and idiots talking behind you?

  • diarRIAA

    @2 Dec 22, 2009 at 00:10 by nny4lenore

    First Tard = Fail Tard

  • Armanian

    Well, i haven’t actually seen the movie yet, as i do want to go watch it in 3D.

    Just to point out though, there has been an increase in 3D TV’s, its only a matter of time before 3D movies appear on torrents. Then the movie industry will rave and rant all over again, its nice to see them downplaying it (this time) but its for only a limited time.

    3D torrents, i cant imagine what they would be like, they’d be massive in file size for sure, but i wonder can 3D torrents ever closely match the quality of DVD films, as i wouldnt be up for downloading a 3D CAM torrent lol

  • ytb

    @15 there are already many 3d torrents and I download em and watch em on my 3d display, though there aren’t enough that’s for sure

  • James

    @16, but those torrents come much much later than the release discuessed in this article. More or less has to be on DVD/ blu-ray before 3D can be ripped. That’s a looooong wait for Avatar.

  • TxRx

    “There are always those that either don’t have the money or easily succumb to the temptation.” Really, TF? Succumb to the temptation? I don’t think that is even a part of the issue. The only question is would you rather watch it in high quality or blurry TS? Temptation is such a strange choice of words here.

  • Madcotto

    i respect torrentfreak so so mutch and always enjoy reading, but small thing bugged me about this was there site mentioned only stated a scene release, and this was by far the first. ok there was a lot of crap with none English releases but the p2p groups were first, it just buggs me how anything with scene after its name is seen as god and p2p is horseshit, and to all u fanboys that will now speek up and slate me about a subject u dont know mutch about, one simple fact the scene hate you they dont want you to have there releases so stop treating them like gods and support some of our p2p groups of which some are bloody good at pawning scene. your p2p torrentfreak is p2p get behind our groups

  • Anonymous

    Have not seen the movie yet but plan to go this weekend. There is an interesting article on ars technica about how the “Blu-ray Disc Association has finalized a specification for delivering full 1080p high definition stereoscopic video on Blu-ray discs. The format relies on an extension to the H.264 encoding standard, and provides for a fallback to 2D output on players that can’t decode the separate stereoscopic images.”

    You will need special gear to watch it, so more money to be made for them. Don’t expect it any time soon though. I guess the studios will complain about that as well.

  • Stereo

    Why would 3D be massive in size?

    Is stereo audio massive in size compared to mono or what?

    You have only two eyes.

    Also I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about “3D” or stereoscopic video or high definition. I’m interested in other things in movies, not pixels and being inside them. I would only be interested in that if it were interactive and I would feel it, rather than watching a story.

  • Anonymous

    Why are all you morons so excited about 3D? You bloody live it everyday, don’t need to satisfy your visual senses by watching a 2D screen coming to live. Sheesh, if you want a really amazing 3D go and visit your local national park or go on a holiday to some exotic places.

    Not some overhyped movie about smurfs in 3D!

  • xxploit

    “people who are prepared to pay will want to see it properly” spot on

    on a side note: no i don’t want to see it, i’ve got better ways to kill boredom

  • giogud

    Next release a movie only in 3D and then we can see what happens.

  • Rob

    Avatar was awesome! Yeah sure release movies only in 3D… idiot. Everyone will download 3d HD rips and buy cheap 3d glasses from crappy kids mags and watch. My tv is better def than the cinema near me anyhow

  • —|||—

    Why the hell would anyone want to see a telesync of this movie? I actually lol’d the first time I saw this on the bittorrent lists. This movie is meant to be enjoyed in 3D on an enormous high-def screen, and I’m not sure how good it actually is without 3D and full HD. I figured people wouldn’t even go through the trouble of camming it :P

  • Hom3r

    As expected they are blind to see that when people download the movie and they like it, chances are they will go see it in 3D at the theater

  • Anonymous

    it will only stop “stealing” your precious profits until someone makes hardware capable of viewing it that will work on an ordinary computer/tv/dvd/wtv. we always win maffia thugs, one way or another.

  • hadopirate

    Avatar = revisionist remake of Dances with Wolves.

  • Anonymous

    hei

  • Stereo

    #26: well I actually lol’d at everyone who says that the movie is any different in 3D rather than a cliched story overdone to death and eye candy.

    telesync is good, at least we wouldn’t be paying anything for a crap hype.

  • M3

    epic fail though for symantec , Sony did good at this one

    Symantec Claims Kids 7 And Under Regularly Search For Porn. Symantec Is Full Of Shti –>
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96240

    Security company Symantec must be following the lead from Copenhagen and ramping up the alarmism this Christmas to sell more software with a new study that claims searching for porn is popular with children aged seven and under.

    The survey found that porn was the fourth most popular search term for children seven years and under, behind YouTube, but ahead of sites such as Disney or Nickelodeon. It also found that porn and sex were popular search terms for tweens and teenagers.

    I don’t dispute that older kiddies might be searching for porn, but seven or six year old kids to the point that it’s the fourth most popular search term in the age group? The suggestion isn’t just dumb, it’s (and pardon the swearing) complete and utter bullshit.

    Either way, it’s complete bollocks. Don’t believe me? they also claim “Kids under the age of seven are conducting searches for P2P sites like Limewire and Mininova.” How many five and six year olds are going to know what Limewire or Mininova are? Seriously? These results were compiled by single, nerdy men who have never had children, because no one else in their sane mind could publish crap like this, at least not with a straight face.
    cont:
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96240

  • Griff from GetTheNew

    Thanks for the right up guys! We really appreciate the exposure for GetTheNew.com and hope you will all come check us out.

    @19 You are right, P2P was first out of the gate on this one, and we had the P2P release listed at that time. As higher quality scene releases come out we replace our links with those – hence why the scene release is up there now.

    I think it’s a really interesting discussion that comes back to what people want to see, and what Hollywood has to add to make it worth our valuable entertainment dollars to get out and see it when so much is available online, though with no means of contributing back to them. I think we’ll see that changing. Soon.

  • ColdFission

    So wait, let me get this straight. They are trying to downplay the torrenting of the film yet they complain with every other film that was been leaked and bitch about how they are losing money. But in 2008 and this year, records have been broken at the Box Office (Articles on that can be found on TF and arstechnica).

    Even though it is available on the net, I still plan on watching in the theatres and screw the gimmicky 3D because of those damned glasses.

    I already wear glasses.

  • FetterZ

    Avatar has to be seen in 3D to be enjoyed, really. Seeing a fuzzy cam rip just destroys the whole experience. Even 2D is less then extraordinary. But yeah, the idiocy of the studio is hilarious.

    On an unrelated note, I will be purchasing a blu-ray player and Avatar as soon as it’s released.

  • Pensive

    Avatar in 3D… worth seeing.

    And I never bother with cam-rips; I value my visuals!

  • Jon

    Great movie, if you can get to the cinema to see this in 3D you will *not* be dissapointed. After you see this in 3D you’ll want to watch every movie this way…


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  • dandin1

    Heh, GetTheNew’s google links excludes .cz .ru .ar .org domains.

  • capitanqueso

    I see a couple of oscars here best movie 2009 for sure

  • MD3

    Can you take the 3D glasses home? Or are they reused by the next audience?

  • Rekrul

    Releasing movies in 3D is one way to ensure that I’ll never go to the theater to see them.

    I know I’m in the minority, but I only have sight in one eye and the 3D effect doesn’t work at all for me. It just makes the image look blurry and/or colored wrong.

    I’m hoping that 3D-only doesn’t become the standard within my lifetime.

  • Anonymous

    I see a lot of FOX fanboys on here hyping up Avatar.

  • Ace Hall

    Rekrul please tell me you wear a pirate patch! Just kidding, according to that ars link above, when they do come out with it, the players will still have the non 3D capability. I could see were that would really suck, didn’t even think about that as an issue.

  • Lord British

    I thought Avatar was going to be a movie based on Ultima series.

    How wrong I was!

  • Anonymous

    i would rate the movie 6/10 becouse the story is very thin and predictable, but the special effects are amazing,i think this movie tends to appeal to the younger audience.

  • Avatard

    the movie is meant to push new technology in film making and really take you to another world…hence watching a telesync copy of this is really a waste of time. It is easily the first movie in the last 5 years that I actually plan on going back to the theatre to see in 3d again and will definitely purchase a blu-ray copy..and that is saying ALOT coming from this guy. =)

  • p2pveteran

    Why would anyone want to see a visually stunning experience like Avatar as a Cam or some shoddy predvd rip is beyond explanation !!!

    Just go and watch this movie in the biggest and the loudest theater that you have near you with your friends and understand how cinema will be defined as one Before and the ones which came After Avatar !!!

    Literally everyone in the theater I was in was awestruck with its spellbinding visuals and effects which will put every other big budget blockbuster to shame…nothing like this has been seen is what my first reaction was !!

    I am all for sharing..but there are some things which just don’t give us that ‘kick’ watching on a laptop or desktop !!!
    I liked watching RocknRolla or The Hangover on my computer but Avatar is just not meant for small screens IMHO !!!

  • yahoo!

    first

  • Anonymous

    So what I’m taking away from this is, Avatar’s a shallow, mediocre film that would have nothing going for it if it weren’t for the high tech(yet still incredibly fake-ass looking) CGI visuals and 3D gimmick?

    Ahh, Hollywood. Thanks for reminding me again why I stopped watching your movies.

  • Olbaard

    Great movie, predictible plot, but massive eye candy and fun experience in 3D.

    I really liked this movie a lot.
    However it does remind me a bit of the Aquablue comics, I think they stole some storyline there.

    @31, lol that is so true :)

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  • Traum

    Piracy wont hurt them, huh, Agreed cause I will never go to cinema to see it, that its just too expensive.

  • AnarchyNow

    Another shitty movie while the money would be better spend in health & education rather than shitty war propaganda

  • James Holdger

    Wow, the film made $3.5 at its midnight launch?

    It must have been pirated too much. That’s not even 1/4 of the price of a single cinema ticket!

  • kabuki0009

    Aviator cost what $500 Million to make? I think that kind of money ridicules, and could go a long way to make the live of A LOT people in the developing world a LOT better.

  • lalala

    Wow!!! “Avatar pulled in more than $3.5 at its midnight launch”??? Thats enough to buy a quarter punder with cheese meal!

  • Kapcha

    Avatar is awesome! I watched it yesturday, but in 2D. But no matter – its awesome! )

  • Anony

    @50. You hit the nail on the head. Visually, it’s the best film I’ve seen. However, I would be suprised if I could find anyone, except for the terminally brain-dead, who could not tell me the plot and the eventual outcome of the film after seeing just the trailer. It’s two and a half hours of eye candy. It’s a shame they couldn’t come up with a decent plot with a budget of a couple hundred million $$.

    @13. Go fuck yourself.

  • Trelew

    Saw this in the theater, while it was incredible to watch the plot was a bit predictable. I can see how a DL of this would be hard to do online with all the new tech that went into this film. But I like how the article mentions that it the corporations are downplaying the fact that its available online. Would it be too much to hope that they are finally getting the clue about internet file sharing? Nahhhhh

  • aXXo

    We still dont have a 3D theatre in my town. Fuck them and lets wait for SecretMyth’s Blue Ray Rip!

  • zod

    i dont think the tech side makes much of an argument here, the fact that it’s an outstanding movie will encourage cinema atendance more than anything – so to the big movie houses – make a decent movie and we’ll go see it, any chance of not ripping us off just coz you can see it in real 3D too

  • General Snus

    $3.5 at midnight, wow. And 85% of that was 3D. So less than $3 for 3D. Can’t even get one ticket here for that price!

  • viktor

    piracy threat, yeah, my ass!

    here’s the beatport suprise for christmas:

    http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3793/clipboard02u.png

    thank you very much, labels (and please fck yourselves)!

  • Steve

    Not the type of movie you want to watch as a cam copy.

  • JamesMMurphy

    Did ANYBODY Read This???

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  • Thraprod

    Didn’t 3D fail in the 80′s?

  • Marco Polo

    Bacon is the most awesome food group. Hands down.

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  • OJ

    Fox is correct. The 3D experience is something to support. A lot of those BitTorrent numbers are also paying cinema goers.

  • coyotejbob

    I don’t pirate great movies. I happily paid and have seen it 3 times now and each time still impressed. Just goes to know if you don’t publish garbage the right people will pay for it.

  • Anonymous

    @68 and the seventies and the sixties and the fifties.

  • eyenotperfect

    What good is 3D if you have a stinking impaired vision? FU! to Fox and all their gay fanboys hyping up this movie.

  • zeebart

    @ 67 thats well and all but i dont even flame and my comments get removed, sry but thats really lame, the filter or something is really outta whack when people`s posts telling someone to f**koff remain but mine are gone, may need to re-think that one…

  • Proud American Pirate

    @68

    Your post is off topic (aka stfu)

  • tosser

    @71 – Hit the nail on the head. Download Transformers 2, buy Moon!

    Avatar is one of those films were the cinema experience comes into it’s own. Home entertainment has come on leaps and bounds in the past few years, but it can’t hope to replicate Imax3d – it’s incredible! :)

  • Huh

    I wonder when the industry will realize that scene releases are by now a pavlovian reflex / mirror image to any official release.

    They happen not because they want to cause as much sales damage as possible, but they happen because they CAN happen.
    The scene will collect(as in make) releases like others collect stamps or play sport matches.
    Every crappy app gets a release just as much as any high profile game or movie.

    Don’t feel special.

  • Sirial

    You forget the people who saw it in 3d and wanted to see it again (because its awesome), and downloaded the movie for that purpose.

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  • Neytiri

    Saw Avatar twice already in 3D and will probably see it two more times before it leaves the theatre.

    Who wants watch it the first time in crappy TS deserve it!

  • JTK

    Finally execs are having some SENSE.

  • loldongz

    Honestly, who wants to watch avatar as a TS? Or even a dvdrip…

  • Jonah

    Jeez there are so many movies that have been released as dvd/bdrips in both 2D and 3D versions.The only problem is you need to have the right glasses to view the 3D version. What kind of lame ass pirates are most of you for not knowing this lol? And anybody who downloads a cam or TS is a fool, you’re wasting 2 hours of you’re life watching the crappest quality possible, go get laid or do something positive in that time lol.

    Watched Avatar in 3D, to be honest it’d be perfectly fine in 2D too, its not really an immersive experience like we’re lead to believe by the studios. In fact the colours on most movies look much better on 2D screens, from my experience, as wearing 3D glasses makes the film lose some colour.

    Its not the best film of the year, its fine, does the job, better than most of the other blockbusters this year. Star Trek is still superior and far more entertaining, but the best films are probably Gran Torino, Inglorious Basterds, District 9….and Extract (I’m sorry, but a guy losing a nut is a great concept for a film lol)

  • Anonymous

    I am putting away 10cents a day in my avatar jar. When it reaches $50, I will be seeing it in 3D.

  • Sefus

    I will probably download it tomorrow night but I’m going to see it in 3D!! TOMORROW. And I’m fucking excited.

  • fubar

    I personally do not believe in downloading this great epic it deserver to be watched in 3d, pple that actually are to cheap to wahtch it at the cinemas what a loss for them, in my personal opinion it was a great experience and i hope movies like this become more the norm

  • NaVi Girl

    The Goods:

    1. Awesome cinematographer
    2. Best 3D
    3. Excellent CGI

    The Bads:

    1. Story is very similar to Battle for Tera, Delgo, and Planet 51. The human becomes the alien.
    2. Expensive ticket
    3. Not enough 3D throughtout the movie

    What make this movie financial safe is the fact that some of the best scene are in 3D. Watching it in 2D is fine, but seeing it in 3D is way better. It has a whole new experience.

    This movie protects it self from pirating through 3D. All movies from now on are going to hop on Cameron’s 3D titanic. Sure pirate can get their hand on the 2D version and it will look fine. But if you haven’t watched a 3D movie or see it for the first time. You will know that 3D is like watching a movie in color while 2D is black & white.

    This trend will probably last for a while until camera with 3D comes home. Or someone place a 3D glass over his HD cam and just record it like it was him watching. I haven’t seen it done but if someone done this before, I would like to know the result.

    This movie will also be a hot cake when it comes to Blu-ray due to the fact that blu-ray player will now play 3D movies. I can see this movie being the first to hop on board at this trend. Then someone will rip it in 3D and put it online.

    Maybe I should start investing in manufactures that makes 3D glasses and blu-ray player. This might not be a bad idea. or maybe I should just invest in James Cameron.

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  • Leo

    I think ill wait for the dvdrip thank you very much.

  • Copywritest

    Honestly, 3D isn’t as big of a hurdle to pirates as they seem to be implying. It isn’t hard to simply put a polarized lense over a cam, getting a capture for a single eye. With the boom in shutterglasses sales I see coming in a couple months, it will be even less of a big deal.

  • Yo

    GO SEE IT IN DOLBY 3D!!!

    It PISSES all over IMAx 3D and RealD enabled cinemas. I also hear XpanD which uses shutter glasses is good but it’s not available in the UK I don’t think.

    I have seen all three 3D systems and Dolby 3D is BY FAR the best of the three passive lens systems.

    IMAX 3D uses old linear polarizing lesnes = ghosting when you tilt you head, dark glasses dim the screen. If they compensate by turning up the brightness the colors become washed out. Also tracking motion is VERY hard on the eyes/brain.

    RealD uses circular polarizing lenses = No head tilt ghosting problems. However it still suffers from dimming because the lenses are dark.

    Dolby 3D whilst not perfect is MUCH better and clearer. No head tilt issues. No ghosting. Easier to track motion (For me anyhow) and uses glasses that are not darkened. They are shiny but clear and use interference patterns or something to make them work. It was AMAZING!

    Find out where Dolby 3D is showing in your area.

    http://www.dolby.com/consumer/product/movies/theater/find-a-cinema.html

    As to ‘pirating’ 3D movies. Well you can already downloade BluRay rips that use the old colored lens system but that system is shit!

    BluRay 3D proper has been finalized for HDTV’s for next year. You will not need a new BluRay player but you will need a new 3D capable HDTV. When those discs appear it won’t be long before they are uploaded onto the internet.

  • anon

    blerg! this is just gonna be another nerdfest, enjoy your bullsh!t and merry f*ckin’ xmas!

  • Metalhead

    Watching it tomorrow in cinema,hope it’s as good as they say.

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  • aHisNez

    Yeah.. If you’re gonna download a TS, then I have to say that you’re robbing yourself of an experience..

    Went to watch it a theatre… 5/5 in every aspect.

    Plus James Cameron deserves to be rewarded for over 10 years good hard work.

  • Anonymous

    You blind sheep wake up and save your money for food. 2010 is going to be a year to remember!

  • Dwight Stegall

    I’m watching it right now
    http://www.megavideo.com/?v=DUKXTECC

  • Kickass_Sid

    Finally the studious stopped caring about stupid things.

    Avatar is great BTW

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