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Billionaire Alki David On CBS Lawsuit and His Solution To BitTorrent Piracy

FilmOn owner Alki David and a coalition of recording artists are currently engaged in a copyright infringement battle with CBS, CNET and Download.com. Speaking with TorrentFreak the billionaire businessman says that despite targeting the distribution of BitTorrent clients he is actually grateful for file-sharing. Torrent client creators can go about their business, David says, as long as they don’t promote their software for infringing uses. He also reveals his own BitTorrent piracy solution.

Earlier this week we posted the latest update on the copyright infringement lawsuit from Alki David and a coalition of recording artists against CNET and owner CBS.

The lawsuit claims that CNET’s Download.com distributed file-sharing software including uTorrent and LimeWire after they “shameless promoted” the tools for infringing uses. This week the coalition – Sugar Hill Music, et al – filed a motion for preliminary injunction that if granted would stop Download.com from continuing to distribute BitTorrent software.

But despite this aggressive action that could potentially put an end to Download.com’s streak of 65 million BitTorrent client downloads to its customers, Alki David says that he is actually grateful for file-sharing services.

Speaking with TorrentFreak the FilmOn owner said that he uses locker services such as YouSendIt for transferring edits and reviewing shows his company is working on. P2P networks, he says, also have their place.

“There is a future still for effective load balanced distribution using P2P networks without a doubt,” he explains. “I also think there is a future for live distribution of video on P2P networks.”

But of course, David’s lawsuit against Download.com has the potential to hurt a service that has done much to spread file-sharing software around the world, which in turn has assisted with its growth and development. Might a win over CNET and Download.com have a negative overall effect for P2P technologies?

“Other sites will pop up and good luck to them. The Internet is a small place and easy to navigate. However, Viacom’s CNET and its partner sites are on the one hand perpetuating file-sharing for their own gain whilst throwing the entertainment, software and literary world under the bus,” David explains.

“Viacom is the same company that lobbied for SOPA and arrests, sues and fines kids like Joel Tenenbaum hundreds of thousand of dollars for downloading a handful of songs. The same people who want to have Richard O’Dwyer extradited from the UK for doing something that in the UK is not illegal!

“Viacom is the same company that paid millions of dollars to companies like Media Defender and Artists Direct to monitor and police file-sharing whilst these companies profited from porn sites being exposed to young kids looking for other types of content,” David adds.

One thing we wanted clear up with David was a statement in this week’s motion that predicted that torrent client creators might “soon” be held secondarily liable for infringement. We asked, could that really happen as long as torrent clients aren’t promoted for infringing uses?

“I do NOT think that torrent makers should be held liable.They can distribute but not promote the illegal use of their software. Herein lies the problem. You cannot sell guns and tell people the best way to use them to kill people,” says David.

“This is the fundamental truth the judge realized. That there is not freedom of speech when you coerce people to act illegally and then help them to do so.” (see earlier ruling)

But while the battle against CBS continues, so do millions of unauthorized BitTorrent downloads, whether Download.com supplied the software or not. What does David think about, for example, The Pirate Bay, a site that he says operates with a “socio economic socio political agenda” ?

“Fine… do your thing bro. But don’t be like CNET which is to vacillate between the camps like a hooker selling herself and the entertainment world to the highest bidder. That is lies and deceit. A company as powerful as Viacom needs to be checked otherwise we really start to live the Orwellian nightmare,” David says.

So considering the huge popularity of sites such as The Pirate Bay, how can Big Media move forward in the digital age viewed through the prism of massive online file-sharing?

“I believe that music, movies and software et al is going to continue fragmenting and more people will get a shot at making entertainment for smaller margins and greater choice. I mean it’s already happened really,” David explains.

“There will be the exception of the big tentpole extravaganza but that is a highly specialized and very expensive game. There are models out there today… the free TV model…. the free movie model…. subsidized by sponsors and advertisers.”

And BitTorrent?

“Torrents are a great method of distribution,” David says, while reminding us again that CBS need to pay for what he describes as their “hypocrisy.”

Finally, it seems appropriate that when speaking to a billionaire one should ask him a billion-dollar-question. So, given a magic wand, how would David solve the piracy dilemma – try to crush torrent sites like The Pirate Bay, or take a different approach?

“I would send the ISP of the websites an invoice for a small fee (say 5 dollars) for each torrent download to give to the rights holders. The ISP would have to collect from the customer or pay it themselves,” David concludes.

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  • BuddhaFacePalmed

    Long story short, Billionaire sees potential market. Billionaire wants to crush existing
    competition. Billionaire uses MAFIAA for strong-arm tactics and trades our rights for their profits. Seems legit

    • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

      This Albi Davis guy is absolutely nuts if he thinks ISP’s are going to start monitoring every single persons internet connection to see if there’s been any CopyWrong material downloaded.

      Seriously, this guy needs long-term psychiatric treatment and therapy on how to become a Human Being again.

      • Bla

        its already happening. And since they are using mostly automated techniques its pretty painless on their part. ( the pain point is the complains department, but the actual tagging side, its minimal in the grand scheme of things )

        They also dont need ‘proof’ you did anything wrong since they are not a court, and can cancel the contract on a whim so again, a pretty simple process for them.

        • Guest

          WTF are you on about, if your talking about the 6 strikes scheme that is something totally different

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          What the “complaint” department will be fielding is not a “complaint”; but, five or ten million customers joined together in a Class Action Lawsuit seeking triple damages plus Legal Fees. After that, the Senators and Representatives and Regulators who have allowed this to happen will find a lot of their constituents waiting in their office to ask just how brain dead a human being can be and still qualify as an elected official.

      • Fellow Pirate

        The major Internet Service Providers in America are currently testing out the idea of charging customers a fee. With this new six strikes plan, they will be co-operating with big business. As well as a third party monitoring service to “Educate their customers”.

        If a customer get’s six strikes to there account, they say nothing will happen. Problem is, I believe this is a lie, it doesn’t make much sense. I believe this customer will have a guilty of infringement mark on their account.

        I say this because they offer an appeal process that costs 30 to 35 dollars to prove your innocent. Now what’s the point of proving your innocent if there’s no punishment in some way or negative action?

        See how the craziest thoughts are becoming our present conditions.

        • https://twitter.com/OffensivAtheist Bismarket

          In the long run many possibilities present themselves. The ISP’s could work together to increase the charge to someone with “strikes” or individuals could take out insurance against strikes (like a no claims bonus on a car?) The mind boggles, but it’s gonna be interesting to see what happens, however unlikely some of these things may seem right now.

        • joexxx

          Doesn’t matter. This six strikes thing has no legal standing. It’s a private agreement between parties.

        • DethFvkk

          The ISP is between a rock and a hard place. As much as you want to believe they care so much about online Piracy, the fact is what is an Internet Service Provider without customers? We or the ISP’s won’t know the full extent of what’s going to happen until Six Strikes goes into effect, but the reality is alot people indirectly and somewhat passively participate in copyright infringement every day. Netfilx has a catalog that isn’t worth shit, Vevo on Youtube has 30 sec ads that are annoying as fuck, and reading news articles, shopping on Amazon or reading Facebook have their place every now and again, but what about the remainder of the time? What does ATT do if 20% or even 50% of their customers reach their sixth strike in six months? Are they really going to just cut off their service or throttle their connections at the risk of alienating their source of revenue? This Six Strikes bullshit is going to be broken pretty fast as soon as reality sets in and ATT and the other participating ISP’s still have to answer to their customers.

      • Adam

        yep, the high court of Australia has determined here that isps are not responsible for their customers traffic. That cant happen here. Glad I dont live in the states!

      • lattari

        This guy Alki David is a joke. He’s an heir to Coca-Cola Hellenic and a ‘digital entrepreneur’, which basically means he’s using daddy’s money to ‘work’ in Hollywood. He’s also involved in a model agency and had a couple of them as wives.

        Poor Alki, life is really kicking him in the head with pirates and all. If I were him, I’d cut down on the victim act and enjoy life.

        He’s also got an entire site dedicated to his grievances:

        http://cbsyousuck.com/

      • Guest

        It’s clearly obvious to many, in their opinion that Les Moonves and Sumner Redstone have the power to simply type a memo stating for every single media outlet they own to NOT REPORT as newsworthy anything some people have to say.

        You can’t force them to do business with you. They can shut you out and laugh about it while they down champagne and count their profits.

        Recent headlines read that Albi (haha) had to pay them $1.6 million dollars.
        Think about that. $1.6 million dollars !! They are laughing their asses off and have people behind the scenes helping them.

        jtvwoodshed.blogspot.com keeps up with one of his sites. People claim they are not being paid as promised and the fact that it’s not safe to use your personal information on that site. Three guys hacked into battlecam users computers and not one thing was done. Not one thing. They got banned for a small period of time. The FBI should have been involved. Webcasts are archived and then when something illegal goes on, the archives are erased.

        jtvwoodshed.blogspot.com for some day to day opinions.

        • Guest

          videocamnews.blogspot.com another exciting expose site

    • Bananas

      Nillionarie also has a broken nose.

      • dwpbike

        made me look – plus4u

    • Dondilly

      More likely, after TF reported on his antics re CNET, he read the reader comments rediculing both his logic and legal standing of his approach.

      It would be interesting if TF could clarify who contacted who as there seems to be too much back peddling on his part .

      One of his previous claims that cnet promoted piracy due to the pphotos used in stories and software reviews clearly showing pirated files in search results. In fairness to cnet, it is primarily a tech journo site. It covers stories covering releases through to issues such as piracy. As such, it has a vast photo library to utilize on top of indie photo libraries. Of course they will have photos of bittorrent and other tools with iffy files listed and will be tagged in the library to identify the tool and a piracy tag too. When they cover piracy related stories, of course they are going to use piracy related photos.

      As for cnet’s jounalistic stance on piracy, like any other outlet,
      including TF, they at best are neutral. This guy has to remember that piracy only exists as such a perceived massive problem because the MAFIAA are so out of step with their target audience. CNET like any other site is not a MAFIAA mouthpiece as if they were, no one would read it.

    • PenzancePeer

      This Alki fella is a Bubble and Squeak (possibly Jewish) son of a guy who built up a BIG business, and left it to little Alki. Alki also fancies himself an Actor.

      At the end of the day Alki’s opinions matter for Very Little, and its difficult to see how he gets such coverage by TF ??

      • ScrewEwe2

        This Alki fella is a Bubble and Squeak (possibly Jewish) son of a guy who built up a BIG business, and left it to little Alki. Alki also fancies himself an Actor.

        What does it matter if he’s Jewish or not?

        • Guest

          Have you ever seen him? He can’t “act” but probably pays to insert himself into those movies anyway. You can run the gamut of actors from Mr. Brad Pitt to Mr. Vincent Price and alki won’t even be on the scale.

    • enzofloc

      There’s no stopping those Billionaires. They must scrape every nickel and dime from the 99ers, because they’re worthless unless they’re trillionaires.

      • http://www.frontier-space.com/ Lethn

        Hi, you don’t represent me and these billionaires are stupid wankers if they think they can steal from me and get away with it.

    • not in a million years

      “The Internet is a small place and easy to navigate”

      LOL

    • Andrew me

      LOL like anyone is going to listen to him, the industry has broken the camels back, they have made the fatal mistake that people often do when they are given enough rope, they have hung themselves. Within a very short time i say less than 3 – 6 months the whole industry will be in a situation they do not like. I can in all honesty say that in complete confidence, the industry is finished as we know it. Thankfully. ok a Hint but i will return in 6 months if i remember and we can continue this think of the game hangman and fill in the blanks _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

  • Bla

    He can bite me.

    • Anonymous Monkey

      Eww! Not a good idea. He might give you whatever is causing his stupidity!

      • Bla

        True..

        • Wash

          And you must realize, that would be a very tempting offer for that cannibal.

    • Robot

      shiny metal ass

  • JennyPratt

    @Rob8urcakes its already being done

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Not really. Even the big name ISP’s are starting to have second-thoughts about “Six strikes” big time.

  • The_Strawbear

    Sounds to me like he sees P2P networks as a way of companies distributing software people have purchased without any real cost for that distribution.

    ‘Hey, torrents can slash our delivery costs and helps us make even more money!’

    The ISP idea is just laughable in how unworkable it is. Why not charge Ford every time someone gets run over by one of their cars.

    • Whatever

      Your Ford example doesn’t generate enough income for the mob… MAFIAA. So actually, it is like charging Ford for every test drive, sale and crash of a car (ofcourse any test drive, sale or crash by the same user is counted seperate).

  • Assss

    they don’t have to monitor every single person on the internet rather they have to reduce the number of people who use the internet this way they will reduce conspiracies and copyright infringements in a single blow

    • Who

      sorry it don’t work that way man.

  • DutchGuest

    What i want to know is, why in the name of Satan’s Left Testicle is torrentfreak giving this zealous, greedy cocksucker a platform from which to spew his poisonous nonsense ?
    By god, it’s like reading Fox news, except at least with Fox news i know it’s bullshit the moment i hit the website.

    • Guest

      When it’s Enigmax writing, you should know he’s much more anti-piracy than the other bloggers, with a correspondingly nicer attitude towards people like this one Alki David. So maybe take it with a grain of salt?

    • Violated0

      Everyone deserves a voice and this is a topic of interest. From what we can see many here are already aware of the background of this case and they just do not approve.

    • What stuff

      I don’t see how you can slam this TorrentFreak article AND Fox news in the same context.

      On one hand you are slamming TorrentFreak for giving a platform to this guy, who is clearly pleased with the Obama/Biden agenda.

      On the other hand you are slamming Fox news, who is exposing the corruption of the Obama/Biden agenda.

      IMO, TorrentFreak is leaning towards the Left with this article, but I will read it and will form my own opinion.

      • Masau Fuku

        He is comparing TF to Fox “news” because he feels the story is biased – as everything on Fox “news” is.

        I disagree with his assessment of the article – I actually found it to paint Alki as bad, if not worse, than the previous one (intentionally or not). The best thing you can do to kill a bad idea is to let people hear it. And Alki…is clearly full of bad ideas.

        As to Fox “news” exposing the corruption of Obama/Biden – no, they aren’t. They are making up corruption that’s irrelevant to anything important, and ignoring every real problem – because they have the same positions on the things the average person dislikes about them. When was the last time Fox called out Obama for human rights violations on par and even worse than Bush? Or the surge in the failed war on drugs? Or his failure to do anything at all to address global warming? Or for that matter, his failure to make a real push for green energy? Or his anti-piracy efforts?

        Fox doesn’t call out Obama for these things because the Republican’s have the same position (or worse) as Obama on all of them.

        Oh, but not knowing everything about what happened in Benghazi right away and releasing incorrect information very early, that’s a scandal and a grand conspiracy.

        Fox “news” is a complete joke.

        • ScrewEwe2

          But Faux News say’s they are “Fair and Balanced” about every ten minutes. Do you mean they aren’t? You mean former Faux News Personality Glen Beck, Bill O’reilly, Sean Hannity, Gretchen Carlson, Steve Douchie (and his preppy ass son) and all the rest of those Faux News On Air Personalities, are just mouthpieces for the vast right wing conspiracy? I’m shocked. Actually used to watch Glen Beck once in a while for the comic value, until I realized he was insane in the membrane.

  • Laresistance

    Alki David needs to stick to running that craphole of a place battlecam and leave cnet alone.I mean really this huge pile of shit needs to be attacked by anon!

  • Anonymous

    if he is so grateful to Bittorrent, it’s a pity he cant show that gratitude by trying to accomplish what so many file sharers have been asking for. if there were enough legal sites that made the files wanted available at sensible prices, sensible speeds, various formats (and the option of changing the format once bought and/or downloaded), DRM free and not keep penalising customers with threats of law suits, wouldn’t everyone be more happy?

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  • ScrewEwe2

    I wish I was a Billionaire. I would give all the worlds hungry children a free MP3 and a voucher for a 3.5% discount on a shiny new MP3 player (batteries not included) from my shiny new MP3 player factory.

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    so yet again it clearly shows, they want control over content, they are taking legal action to stop all p2p software on sites yet strongly believe p2p technology is the way forward…. you cant have it both ways you rich fuckers

    • Guest

      Alki isn’t “THEY” he’s fighting against “THEY”

      He tried to get licences for content for FilmOn….”THEY” blocked him at every turn…made it impossible….many arguments later…..he’s now playing them at their own game…..calling them out on THEIR “profiting from piracy” -while suing others >>>>>Hypocrisy

      while he may not be on the same page as file sharers, he DOES know who the enemy is.

      • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

        so then why attack those he agrees with?

  • UraPhake

    “I would send the ISP of the websites an invoice for a small fee (say 5 dollars) for each torrent download to give to the rights holders. The ISP would have to collect from the customer or pay it themselves,” David concludes.

    This is bullshit. Whenever the “rights holders” via the RIAA/MPAA win any money in filesharing lawsuits, not a SINGLE PENNY ever goes to the artists which they pretend to be representing. Not. A. Penny. Ever!

    What would Alki David do that’s any different? Once the money is in his grimy pockets it will stay there just like it does with the MAFIAA scum bags.

    • Ophelia Millais

      The bigger problem is that his proposal would essentially be the same as charging for link clicks. How do you know which ones lead to / enable the download of unauthorized content? Even if such a system were feasible, would it come with any guarantees of indemnity or privacy? Without those things, it’s like holding a knife at someone’s back while handing them treats. Completely unworkable and unethical on every level.

  • chronoss

    here is a question why give the fag press
    another one
    if driving is a right that can be taken away , why dont you do so with copyrights….

  • Whatever

    There are probably a lot of things that he could do as a solution to poverty.

    I have a feeling he wouldn’t like to go for any of those.
    Because it would involve “sharing”.

    • Masau Fuku

      No no no, you’ve got it all wrong. He doesn’t mind sharing – he just wants to charge you for the privilege. Is he not merciful.

  • Gae

    I don’t need a billion dollars to tell you that lower prices, better availability, different models and less of a fight for power and control of the internet will all help greatly.

    I also do not need to be a billionaire to tell you that the big media companies have no interest in any of this, they still make huge profits and do not care about any damage they cause to anything else.

    • pOd

      Billionarie is not equal with high IQ intelligence !
      After that this world love money not culture , all things today is transformed into commercial products for making more profits more money , thats why all things become shits without quality ,all become lies and manipulation – advertising tv media publicity is about how to foolish people to buy more , to desire more shits to be addictive at these shits , all is about GREED ,about MONEY , nobody care about quality, about culture ,about progress, about new inventions ,about people ,about nature , nobody care if people die or sick after belive in lies and consume these shits or if these shits destroy nature etc

      Greedy hypocrite masters (rich boss corporations , corrupted politicians and other bastards like that) of system (capitalism) can say – Time is money, everything and everyone have a price so everithing is for sale , everything mean money , everything mean all – nature , people, “land on the moon ” , illusions
      That concept is about how to foolish people to work for others and after to desire and spend theirs few money on shit stupid things and be happy with that ,dont see the truth ,without fight
      In one day if this system will continue we all will buy air ,we will pay taxes for existence (even some kind of taxes already exist but isnt named like that ) we will pay for everything – that have one name – slavery

      Today all is fucked by greed & money ,money makes the laws , money enslave and kill people , money is the supreme value , all of these doesnt help human society ,all mean decay and failure becouse earth will end to be a junk pollution and remains of humanity after wars (look in history why wars start – allways becouse of greed – always invaders have high greed sense and want more … more gold, more money, more lands , more food , more resources , more monopoly, more manipulated people or slaves , more people to work for them and pay taxes )

  • Whatever

    Something about a pot and kettle come to mind when reading the word hypocrisy in the article.

    He wants companies to have free distribution but won’t deliver anything for free himself (at least to those providing the distribution network). Let every bittorrent user get $5 from the authors for every full filesize sent. It would still be much cheaper than sending parcels.

    (Finding seeders would never be a problem again)

  • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

    The solution he proposes is reasonable.

    • Fredrika

      > “The solution he proposes is reasonable.”

      He says Pirate Bay should continue with their thing, you say this is reasonable.

      He says ISP’s should be charged for each torrent downloaded from Pirate Bay, which is zero torrents, you think this is reasonable.

      He says those money should go the rights holders, which there are non, because torrents aren’t copyrighted.

      If he refers to the copyright holders of the works that have been indexed in the torrents, he seems to believe that they should receive monetary compensation without having sold anything, which goes against the free market rules.

      Ok then.

      Although you forgot to explain why you think his completely impossible, illogical and non-free market solution is reasonable..

      Maybe it’s because you are also against the free market, and a strong believer in illogical and impossible solutions?

      That actually would be along the line of your previously stated beliefs.

      You know those beliefs that you are so ashamed of, so that when someone reminds you of what you yourself have openly admitted, you all of a sudden start to cry about Ad Hominem?

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      That solution is about continued privileged control by the existing corporate players.

      OK with you……not so OK with the rest of the Human race.

      • Who

        so you are stating that EVERY ONE believes in the YOU SHOULD PAY FOR EVERYTHING world? LOL

        I am one person that don’t think that way. any body that thinks this way is a complete FOOL.

        “continued privileged control” this is how the RICH think things should be. that getting things for free is a privilege.

      • http://nejtillpirater.wordpress.com/ Nejtillpirater

        No, it’s about control of the creator’s works. And yes, that’s a privilege the creator has according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

        You’re free to create your own music, movies etc and have privileged control over that, not over the works created by others.

        • Fredrika

          > “No, it’s about control of the creator’s works.”

          Legislative monopolies control what other people than the monopoly owner is allowed to do with their property. That’s what the copyright monopoly control, or intrude into, others people property. That’s what all legislative monopolies does. That’s the only thing they do.

          > “And yes, that’s a privilege the creator has according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.”

          That’s a lie and you know that very well. —> Protection of <— said eventual privilege is a human right, for the author, not any later monopoly owner.

          The privilege in itself is not a human right.

          > “You’re free to create your own music, movies etc and have privileged control over that..”

          Which is completely irrelevant, because the discussion is about the copyright monopoly, and the control it gives monopoly owners and existing corporate players to be excluded from the free market.

          > “..not over the works created by others.”

          What the law currently says is not an argument in any direction, that would be circular reasoning, which is a logical fallacy. You should read up on that concept.

          And no, the mentioned solution is not reasonable, nor functional or possible(but you don’t care about that, now do you?), and as ThumbsUpThumbsDown commented on, the solution is not ok with the rest of the human race.

          When responding to someone, try to respond to what they actually wrote, ok?

        • icec0ld

          “You’re free to create your own music, movies etc and have privileged control over that, not over the works created by others”

          Heh. Funny. What you suggest is that people like billionaire Alki David should not have control over any works unless they themselves have created it.

          I’m really not sure what to make of that.

          Also, his suggestion torrent clients not be held accountable for the piracy they can engage a user and then to turn around and claim that they could instead do the same but to ISPs is hilariously ironic. Chalk it up to another 1%er who thinks that law is his door mat to make money.

          “No, it’s about control of the creator’s works”

          There’s no control in the solution. Only naked profiteering off the back bones of a system built by people for people. Setting aside the apparent bureaucratic and undemocratic and completely unjustified holding of ISPs accountable.

          Just more evidence that entertainment industries don’t want to be innovative or invest in a competing infrastructure in the digital realm. They want to hold if they can. They want control and if they can’t control it, they’ll try to destroy it.

        • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

          The Universal Declaration of Human Rights protects Creative Artists every bit as badly as Copyright Law. If the UDHR actually protected Artists, the planet wouldn’t be so polluted with zero cost Corporate Distributors collecting monopoly premiums on Intellectual Property which they NEVER created. Moreover, there wouldn’t be so many starving Artists moaning that they were cheated out of their royalties. But, never fear, both the UDHR and Copyright can and will be modified.

  • guest

    funny how they all think they have a solution to the piracy problem and they all suck big time and seem to have no thought or research behind it.

    REAL SOLUTION….
    Listen the the so called “PIRATES” and give them good content at a reasonable price with a good service the CONSUMERS want. I agree customers are not always right but in this case they are.
    Example when entertainment industry boosted the licensing price for netflix that cause alot of people to not go back to them therefore the entertainment industry force piracy on to the customers. Theater prices get jacked up and less people can afford to go to the show. lower the price get more sales make more money.

    Say avatar cost $280 million to make. so to have a profit of $120 million they needed to sell 30 million tickets at $15 each. The world population is about 7 BILLION people.
    If you can not make money with a massive potential consumer base like that, maybe you should close up shop and find a new venture.

    • Anon

      If you get to dictate how much an artistic work of entertainment returns on investment, then we get to dictate the absolute maximum you earn at your job. Now get back to work.

      • Fredrika

        > “If you get to dictate how much an artistic work of entertainment returns on investment..”

        The free market dictates that, based on actual sales. Guest’s suggestion for a solution was to those weak failed entrepreneurs that claims to have a problem making sales, which is a natural consequence when they sell their products at a price that does not correspond with the actual free market price.

        > “..then we get to dictate the absolute maximum you earn at your job.”

        The employer dictates that, but the rules for employment between employer and employee has nothing to do with the free market rules for an entrepreneur. How ignorant are you?

        • Grpd

          Ignore Anon , he is just another retard troll who and to manipulate people

          And by the way , 80% of actual “art and entertainment ” are shit manipulation , commercial wich have nothing with real art , after that these become a new tirany for people , wich get people rights ,which enslave people to pay more and more for the same shit product ,real art mean freedom and promote that , promote real values like education and culture , great ideas about rights, open mind etc not consumerism ,not money ,not monopoly ,not censorship ,not breaking people rights ,not kitch fake art , not to foolish and manipulate people to be more stupid . When someone making something call”art” just becouse he thinking about money, about how to make more people to like this and buy , then that isnt art is just shit without real value , the same happen when mass people ask for a kind of mass pop art – like people who ask dj to play theirs favorite tracks , or people who view and like soup opera movies etc etc , why these are shits – simple becouse 90% of people dont have basic or art education , much more dont have imagination ,so cant understand ideas , concepts ,so without education they will never have fine tastes ,fair opinions ,they will never understand talented people , thats why they choose simple easy kitch things becouse dont need to use brain that much , is stupid things made by stupid fake artists for stupid people – a business for fake artists and other parasites organisations who claim protect copyrights – that junk mass art it is a pollution

        • Anon

          Fredrika, if a firm invests a great deal of money in writing software that is universally lauded as a fine piece of work, and universally pirated because everyone wants it, but it returns only a tiny percentage of their original investment because the pirates do not pay and they are not able to start on another piece of software work, How is this fair? How, in your view should they get their payments for the work they’ve done and the pirates make clear they all want?

          In other words, we agree that poor work deserves to be ignored. But what do you suggest as a proper means to compensation for work everyone admires and yet takes for free? There is no marketplace and no more digital product when there is no meaningful exchange.

        • Fredrika

          > “if a firm invests a great deal of money in writing software that is universally lauded as a fine piece of work, and universally pirated because everyone wants it, but it returns only a tiny percentage of their original investment because the pirates do not pay..”

          The reason it only returns a small percentage of their original investment is because they failed to sell something. Their attempt at selling something, or failing with it, is their responsibility, it’s not the responsibility of the pirates.

          The pirates naturally and obviously do not pay anything, because they do not buy anything when they pirate. When you don’t buy anything there’s nothing pay for.

          But it should be noted that pirates actually buy and pay more money to the culture industry than non-pirates, so they do pay all right.

          > “How is this fair?”

          That’s exactly how the free market works, only those entrepreneurs that manages to sell something deserves money. Do you have a problem with the free market? Do you find the free market unfair?

          > “How, in your view should they get their payments for the work they’ve done..”

          They can’t because it’s impossible. That’s not how entrepreneurship works. Entrepreneurs never get payments for the work they’ve done, they get payments for the goods and services they sell. Sell being the key word.

          > “In other words, we agree that poor work deserves to be ignored.”

          Who are we?

          > “But what do you suggest as a proper means to compensation for work everyone admires..”

          Compensation? On the free market the only thing entrepreneurs get compensated for are the goods and services they sell. They do not get compensated for their work. If you want compensation for your work, get a job as an employee.

          > “..and yet takes for free?”

          Pirates take nothing. They manufacture copies, and no other price than free is possible for that act, so to mention that’s is free is a tautology. Manufacturing something is most certainly not taking anything.

          > “There is no marketplace and no more digital product when there is no meaningful exchange.”

          Since you can’t even get the fundamental basics right regarding risk taking entrepreneurship, compensation and how the free market functions, your prophecies are completely irrelevant and uninteresting. Learn economical basics first before you attempt prophesying.

          But i really don’t see why you even attempt them, when as you know, after 15 years of on-line non-profit piracy, there exist no scientific evidence whatsoever that even indicates that it constitutes a problem in the first place to neither society, the economy, culture, the creators, the culture industry’s current record revenues or the goal with copyright.

          There’s is no problem.

          Well, for the con artist collective Mafiaa there is, because their scam is about to reach the end of the line. They can’t do anything about piracy, and they produce nothing of worth, they only waste money.

        • Anon

          “On the free market the only thing entrepreneurs get compensated for are the goods and services they sell. ”

          Right. The goods they have to sell. Digital goods for sale are no less goods and have no lessor investment or applied work than analog goods. Would you disagree with that?

          But you continue to believe because you can make a copy it is then it’s YOUR property grant no such similar rights to the creator, only yourselves. It’s not THEIR property if you copy it, right? Then you believe the copy is yours. Lawfully it is not and never was. You just ignore this reality.

          You also appear to continue to believe pirates have some right to make copies of those goods intended for sale and ignore the intent of the creator to sell. By your line of reasoning, a worker who creates an analog good and sells it is entitled to that payment. They sold something. But a worker who creates a digital good and tries to sell it, the same concept as selling copies of any analog good, has no such entitlement simply (and incredibly) only because of format and illegal use of tech? Do you honestly live this as an ethic?

          Laws, morals, intent to sell, none of that is regarded for the creator in digital format because pirates just copy it and refuse to pay for the copy made. And you think making unlawful copies of a digital product intended for sale is a free marketplace? Will you also advocate that making copies of EVERYTHING whenever you are able also constitutes a free marketplace? When does compensation for the copy you made ever come into your “free market” understanding? Where is the “market” when a product is infringed? When does return on investment appear in your version of a “free marketplace”? Is your concept of digital economics only a one-way (free) street?

          Essentially what you appear to be saying is there remains an analog marketplace only because pirates have no means to copy analog goods, and then you’ll destroy that market, too, as soon as you are able. And there is no realistic digital marketplace because you feel entitled to destroy that business model through unlawful activity just because technology and hiding makes it possible. Demanding privacy so you can do this. With your snotty, condescending know-it-all attitude, besides. And you wonder why government and industry hunts you. lol

          You are clearly very, very young and with very little in the marketplace yourself.

        • Fredrika

          > “Right. The goods they have to sell.

          Sell being the key word, they are compensated for sales.

          > “Digital goods for sale are no less goods and have no lessor investment or applied work than analog goods. Would you disagree with that?”

          I would, as would any consumer legislation or economics teacher in the world, because you don’t seem to understand what constitutes a good. On-line no goods are sold, on-line only services are sold. A creative work is not a good. A creative work in something which a good or services can be built up around the use of, as with a physical copy(which is a good), or the offerings of streams of information(which is a service).

          > “But you continue to believe because you can make a copy it is then it’s YOUR property grant no such similar rights to the creator, only yourselves.”

          That sentence makes no grammatical sense. But since it’s regarding what i believe, no, i never comment on what i believe. I only comment on logical, physical or legislative facts.

          > “It’s not THEIR property if you copy it, right?”

          Copying is the act of physically manufacturing a copy with one’s own property, according to the patterns of another piece of property, and that initial piece of property is owned by the uploader, as in his physical copy, on his hard drive. A copy is a piece of physical property whether the actual file(a pattern of one’s and zero’s) is placed on an optical disc or a hard drive.

          All property involved in piracy is owned by the pirates, not the copyright holder.

          > “Then you believe the copy is yours. Lawfully it is not and never was. You just ignore this reality.”

          No, now you’re the one rewriting reality. A copy is a piece of physical property, and it is owned by the owner of the copy. If you buy a CD, you own the copy. Check consumer legislation if you don’t believe me. If you have a copy on your harddrive you own that copy, because you own the harddrive.

          Ownership of this piece of property is controlled in property laws, regardless of any eventual copyright law. Do not confuse the creative work and the copyright over it, with a piece of physical property, as in the copy, and ownership of the latter.

          > “You also appear to continue to believe pirates have some right to make copies of those goods intended for sale and ignore the intent of the creator to sell.”

          No. What legal rights, or rather what prohibitions that are in place, is a topic i rarely comment on, since it differs between different countries, and because what the law currently says isn’t an argument, as it would be circular reasoning.

          However, since you again seem to reference what i wrote at some point, please quote what i actually wrote, and i will help you read it properly, so that you can understand what i actually wrote.

          > “By your line of reasoning, a worker who creates an analog good and sells it is entitled to that payment. They sold something.”

          That’s not my line of reasoning, that’s reality and how the market works. Sale = payment. Who manufactured the good has however no relevance for that. The owner of the sold good receives the payment.

          > “But a worker who creates a digital good and tries to sell it, the same concept as selling copies of any analog good, has no such entitlement simply (and incredibly) only because of format and illegal use of tech?”

          Again you seem to have a hard time differentiating between the creative work, and the goods and services that are sold.

          Entitlement to payment comes from the sale. In your first example, there was a sale mentioned, and that is what entitled the worker to payment. In your second example no actual sale was mentioned, so of course he is not entitled to any payment. That’s how the free market works. Do you not understand this?

          Sale= Payment. No sale = no payment.

          > “Laws, morals, intent to sell, none of that is regarded for the creator in digital format because pirates just copy it and refuse to pay for the copy made.”

          Laws are disregarded by pirates yes, because people don’t find the copyright monopoly to be just.

          Morals is personal and subjective, and pirates morals say that non-profit copying isn’t immoral, just has it has since the seventies.

          An entrepreneurs intent to sell has never had any relevance for people when they make non-profit copies for personal use.

          Pirates do not refuse to pay. They don’t buy anything, so there’s nothing to pay for. When you make a copy yourself there’s no one to pay, because no purchase of a good or service has taken place.

          > “And you think making unlawful copies of a digital product intended for sale is a free marketplace?”

          On the free market no entrepreneur have a legislative monopoly, which grants him a government enforced exclusive right to manufacture, distribute and sell certain goods and services, goods and services that anyone can manufacture, distribute and sell. Intent to sell is irrelevant for that fact.

          Unlawfully manufacturing copies is acting according to the free market rules(on which no one has a monopoly over manufacturing).

          > “Will you also advocate that making copies of EVERYTHING whenever you are able also constitutes a free marketplace?”

          A free market is a marketplace where no entrepreneur have a legislative monopoly that grants him a governent enforced exclusive right to manufacture, distribute and sell certain goods and services, goods and service that anyone can manufacture, distribute and sell.

          What i advocate have no relevance for this economical fact.

          > “When does compensation for the copy you made ever come into your “free market” understanding?”

          That question makes no sense. You should probably stop using the world compensation, it seems to confuse you. For an entrepreneur money changes hand at one instance, during a sale.When people make copies, there is no sale, therefore no compensation can occur.

          > “Where is the “market” when a product is infringed?”

          Infringements can only take place when a legislative monopoly is in place, and if that’s the case, there is no free market. Non-profit infringements have nothing to do with the market, the market is the meting place between seller and buyer.

          > When does return on investment appear in your version of a “free marketplace”?”

          I have never called anything a free marketplace, that’s a false quotation.

          The return of investment however appear when the entrepreneur sells enough goods or services to cover his costs. If he doesn’t sell those, he shouldn’t have any return on his investment, that’s how the free market works. Do you not understand this?

          > “Is your concept of digital economics only a one-way (free) street?”

          I have never commented on something which could be called digital economics, so i’m not sure to what you refer. However, the concepts i comment on are not mine.

          > “Essentially what you appear to be saying is there remains an analog marketplace only because pirates have no means to copy analog goods, and then you’ll destroy that market, too, as soon as you are able.”

          No, that’s not what i’m saying. The marketplace, which isn’t divide between analogue or digital, but between goods and services, remains as long as their is a seller and buyer. The revenues on the marketplace where the culture industry sells goods and services are currently higher than ever before.

          > “And there is no realistic digital marketplace because you feel entitled to destroy that business model through unlawful activity just because technology and hiding makes it possible.”

          No, that’s not what i’m saying. The digital marketplace works very well, it’s revenues grows, grows and grows every month. It’s share of the Internet traffic dominates in the countries where sales of sought after products takes place.

          > “Demanding privacy so you can do this.”

          All people are demanding privacy because it’s a human right, and a very valuable concept to humans and society. What people use their privacy for is irrelevant to that fact, even if they happen to use their privacy for private communication in which they tell other people what patterns their physical property has.

          > “With your snotty, condescending know-it-all attitude, besides.”

          Coming from the person who openly advocates and applauds fascism and rape of human beings.

          > “And you wonder why government and industry hunts you. lol”

          I have never claimed to wonder about that? I have however claimed that it is meaningless, because there already exists next generation filesharing protocols which the entire earth’s population can fileshare illegally with, and no technical or legislative countermeasure the government or industry can come up with can stop that. Ask China if you don’t believe me.

          The only thing they are doing is hurting society and wasting money. The reason the do that is because the con artist collective Mafiaa has scammed them into believing it’s possible to do anything about piracy.

          > “You are clearly very, very young and with very little in the marketplace yourself.”

          Your belief of my age and very little in the marketplace is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

        • Shamu

          Stop spending so much time & energy replying to the amount of comments on TF you do and wash your fucking vagina (shit must be like sea world by now).

        • Fredrika

          > “Stop spending so much time & energy replying to the amount of comments on TF you do..”

          Rest assured i spend very little time and energy replying to comments. I write fast and think even faster, so it’s a quicky for me.

          > “..and wash your fucking vagina (shit must be like sea world by now).”

          Rest assured my hygienic needs are met whenever they arise. But i do find it hilarious that you even think about it!? Do you think about all women’s vaginas, or just mine?

        • Casanova

          I would like to lay with you.

        • Whatever

          Frederika, you missed a detail.

          An “analog good” does not exist. It’s the same as IP (imaginary property) which also doesn’t exist. Leaving “analog good” unchallanged would imply the existance of a “digital good”.

          The only way the difference is made is in the way a device operates. If goods and services are divided into an analog and a digital camp then all ‘digital’ consumer electronics are analog like in the anon dictionary.

        • Anon

          In reply to Whatever:
          I think you are on to something there, the “product to market” distinction between what I call analog and digital goods. Civilization is based on self discipline, personal sacrifice for a greater good and all that. By “analog” goods I meant tangible ones, copy after copy of a physical object, sold because the only other alternative is actual shoplifting. Physical, but there’s a plus, that cycle of business includes the return of the investment through the purchase and that in turn drives business into industry. The folks who make that product thrive for the cash they rightfully earn.

          In my view, if this is an invested product brought to market for sale, that’s the business’ choice, piracy isn’t cool anymore and digital goods can be compared on every detail to analog goods save one; the consumer has an affordable and private means to copy digital for themselves. Everything else is very much the same. Anything you pull currency from by not buying will wither by definition, like water from a plant, right? And it happened.

          So it’s true that piracy has dented industry, the tax filings are very clear, but it’s also wiped out the great, working middleclass families of the urban music business, an entire infrastructure based upon paid recording and now lost to the cash gone missing from that entire layer, no matter how you measure it. So it comes down to a philosophical choice. Do we fund it if we make a copy because we like it?

          In other words, do we use the same self discipline we use in countless other places to create a market by contributing cash flow if we make or buy copy of their product? That way we create paying recording jobs, a mainstay for working musicians.

          Or do we pirate and point to a tiny handful of internet successes in well over a dozen years while the middleclass music career worker either left music or left town to go make some money. To be able to hurt the top, pirates took the bottom route up through the workers buy cutting off the cashflow. You really did ruinous damage in that layer in order to ding the elbow of a well-suited rich guy at the top. It’s cheap and it’s base and disrespectful with no idealism at all and that’s very sad, piracy is. It’s you.

          It’s a choice we all make.

        • Fredrika

          > “By “analog” goods I meant tangible ones, copy after copy of a physical object, sold because the only other alternative is actual shoplifting.”

          No, there are more alternatives. You can go home and manufacture the item yourself. Which is what pirates does, as any sane capitalist would also do.

          > “The folks who make that product thrive for the cash they rightfully earn.”

          They earn the money by selling. By your own definition then, if they don’t sell any, they haven’t rightfully earned any money.

          > “In my view, if this is an invested product brought to market for sale, that’s the business’ choice..”

          You do understand that on the free market anyone can offer the same product, and that’s not the choice of the initial entrepreneur? Have you ever heard of competition? All entrepreneurs have to get use to that.

          > “..piracy isn’t cool anymore..”

          Cool? A billion persons filesharing begs to differ.

          > “..and digital goods can be compared on every detail to analog goods..”

          You still don’t understand or accept that there is not distinction between analog and digital goods? There are only goods. The goods and services that the pirates manufacture have no economical value, because anyone can manufacture those goods for free. Please study economics so you learn this fact.

          > “So it’s true that piracy has dented industry..”

          No, it’s not. Not one single independent scientific study has even indicated that, and in addition the culture industry currently makes more money than ever before. There’s no dent. Please stop lying.

          > “..but it’s also wiped out the great, working middleclass families of the urban music business, an entire infrastructure based upon paid recording and now lost to the cash gone missing from that entire layer, no matter how you measure it.”

          Another claim that no actual numbers support. However, if they sell goods that has no economical value, it’s rather naturally for their business to go under. That’s the way it should be.

          > “So it comes down to a philosophical choice. Do we fund it if we make a copy because we like it?”

          Rest assured that the pirates are currently funding the music industry more now than ever before, and the artists make more money now than ever before.

          > “In other words, do we use the same self discipline we use in countless other places to create a market by contributing cash flow if we make or buy copy of their product?”

          There’s no point in buying products that have no economical value, just for the cause. Such bailouts to failed entrepreneurs have been doomed every time history has attempted them. I they want money they simply have to sell products that have an economical worth. Luckily there are many such today. Copies however is not one of them.

          > You really did ruinous damage in that layer in order to ding the elbow of a well-suited rich guy at the top.”

          Incorrect, the industry damaged itself by selling useless crap that had no economical value. That’s their responsibility.

          > “It’s cheap and it’s base and disrespectful with no idealism at all and that’s very sad, piracy is. It’s you.”

          That’s your personal opinion, not reality. Piracy is economical, it’s not disrespectful, it’s full of idealism and it’s very happy, try it yourself.

        • Whatever

          @Anon
          It is now clear that any repairs or creations made at the anon residence are done by third party licenced people. Won’t see you mending a broken cup. This would be steeling from the cup repair engineers who would have had a missed oppertunity to make some money.

          As for the analog goods:
          ‘digital camcorder =! analog’ auto-implies ‘analog goods =! physical goods’
          (hope the syntax is correct)

      • GENIUS

        Fuck u !!!…

      • Andrew me

        Yes and the absolute minimum is minimum wage which is about to increase a lot in the near future i think.
        But maybe we should have the public setting minimum wage, I personally think minimum wage should cover all cost when one person is working for a family of 4. I also believe that no one should be working more than 25 hours a week so lets look at $35 000 divided by 12 = $2500 per month 25 hours x 4 = 100 hours a week so minimum wage should be, at the least $25 take home pay after taxes are deducted, now $25 is actually not a lot of money when you think of the trillions of dollars in profit businesses are making. And if a business cannot make a profit, well let them close, I am sure someone will come up with a way to pay a decent wage and make a good living for themselves.And for all of those people complaingin that small businesses could not afford that , well let them make there workers partners making a part of the profit every year, say pay them $20 an hour and give them shares in the business.

  • Neb12

    It’s like trying to fix a leak on a flat roof, ain’t going to happen.

    Well NWO, we now have the dog chasing its own tail.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jill.lewis.77736 Jill Lewis

    I didn’t realize cnet had file sharing programs available for download. Way to go, Alki David, for bring to people’s attention the exact thing that you didn’t want to bring to people’s attention. lolol

  • Who

    Just keep blowing it out of your but buddy LOL

  • FISH

    IT’S INTERESTING TO SEE ALL THE SCUMBAGS SAY ANYTHING TO JUSTIFY THEIR THIEVERY AND PROTECT THEIR ABILITY TO STEAL OTHERS PROPERTY..

    • cgimusic

      Think you might be on the wrong blog here. Also putting your comment all in caps doesn’t make up for the lack of any valid points, it just makes you look stupid.

    • Neb12

      What’s your take? Imbicile?

    • joexxx

      I agree. RIAA and MPAA especially!

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Here’s what i was able to understand of your argument:

      First: People who disagree with you are scumbags…..

      Second: People who disagree with you are thieves…..

      Third: There was no third…. come to think of it ….. there was no one or two either…..

  • moronwithmoney

    Fuck you David, stop trying to sue people for providing software. Get your head out of your ass bitch.

    • Guest

      He ain’t suing just because they provide software it’s the fact that they promoted copyright infringement and profited from it….then they want to turn round and sue people for using said software to infringe copyright the way THEY showed them.

      you are aware that CBS was part of the group that sued limewire for millions and got it shut down?

      CBS owns CNET, CNET was the main distributor for limewire.

      Hypocrisy???

      • Ophelia Millais

        CBS was not part of the LimeWire suit. That was just Arista, Atlantic, BMG, Capitol, Elektra, Interscope, LaFace, Motown, Priority, Sony BMG, Universal, Virgin, and Warner. CBS got out of the record business in 1988 when they sold their labels (Columbia, Epic) to Sony BMG.

      • Guest

        It’s hypocrisy when a POT calls a kettle BLACK.

        Read your first 3 lined paragraph again. IT’S THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK !

        jtvwoodshed.blogspot.com they have quite a few opinions about aleeky david. go there and see what they say about him.

        Again. read the first paragraphed three lines you wrote. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. You just don’t have the whole story.

  • GUEST

    maybe viacom should have thought a bit before they started this bs.
    with companys like VIACOM , they own like 40 networks. They should stop trying to go after kiddies for downloading a song or two from the NET. VIACOM should be giving me JOBS not LAYING off half the company. These are facts they spend billions on the stop of people downloading / how many jobs did you can this year alone ?
    its the same with every company in the TV game now.

    I work for a TV company that deals with every one I mean EVERYONE. i know all about these greedy fu*kers.

    The NET need to be looked as a TOOL. how they can promote there biz. Maybe if companys just allowed things to be downloaded then they would see a spike in sales for anything they make.

    I been downloading for the last 15+ YEARS i will never stop. I learned since i was a little little kiddie. WHY RENT OR BUY A NES GAME WHEN IT WAS NOT EVEN WORTH 5 MINS OF TURNING THE SYSTEM ON. The same rules apply to everything. If its not worth watching / listening to then why would one pay for it.

    NOW people do not get me wrong i support all dev and people that should be supported. we all know that GRAND THEFT AUTO would not be what it is today if they did not have the support from everyone out in the world. I bet you ask anyone that played any GTA and say DID YOU DOWNLOAD IT they will all say YES. If you ask the next question DID YOU BUY IT AFTER YOU PLAYED IT. I bet most will say YES TO SUPPORT A DEV / BECAUSE THE GAME ROCKED.

    Now again why would one pay for something that is worthless. All i see is a greedy company looking to make money from people selling the same thing over and over.

    I still think that 50 cent said it the best on MTV when he was interviewed
    50 your CD was posted on the internet like a month before the rls date how do you feel about that. HIS REPLY WAS RIGHT TO THE POINT.
    PEOPLE LISTEN TO ALL MY TRACKS AND HEARD A CD THAT WAS WORTH BUYING. IT DID NOT EVEN FUCK WITH THE PROFITS BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT HEARD IT BOUGHT IT IN STORE ANYWAY.

    again this is coming from a CRACK DEALER but hey look at him now from crack dealer to RAP DEALER.

  • Violated0

    I see that Alki David is full of half truth’s there.

    Download.com were not advertising BT software for infringement themselves when the problem was user submitted reviews saying like “This BT client works for me because…”. Now while that may pose a problem this would be more a simple oversight.

    He also does not mention that Viacom is a whole corporation full of hundreds of companies with their individual policies and goals. Headquarters are more simply interested in the profit keep flowing in.

    A good example of this is in Sony when their entertainment side has been active against infringement while at the same time their technology side has been producing DiVX/XViD DVD players when these are what the public wants. So this seems hypercritical when you view Sony as a whole but not when you see the different companies under them all striving for maximum profit.

    Viacom is much the same and CNet’s Download.com is of course one of the more friendly companies. Viacom does indeed through have a large entertainment history where that part were indeed a SOPA supporter.

    So this is much a battle between rich people for whatever market orientated reason.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Alki David has failed.

    His Billion Dollars will not protect him from the fact that he has failed to imagine either the better, or the more likely digital distribution future. Today, that is merely a failure of insight; tomorrow that will reveal his recent choices to have been self destructive and self defeating. More importantly, tomorrow that failure to grasp the difference between the past and the future will reveal him as a kind of digital version of Typhoid Mary: Having taken the opportunity to set back the clock on human potential, rather than having advanced it.

    If you’re a small company in the digital mass distribution business, Copyright protected Distributors have one simple, take it or leave it, proposition for you: “Pay our monopoly “ownership” premium. or else!”

    There are two obvious answers to this proposition that make money; question is, which is the better answer for the future:

    One: The Netflix Model, in which you go hat in hand to the legacy distributors and persuade them to grant you a discounted price. Your problem then is that the Copyright protected distributor controls the discount; and, won’t set it low enough, either to give you a worthwhile profit or convince the customer that he is not being swindled. This is the “rock and a hard place” of modern digital distribution: You starve to death paying Copyright Holders’s premiums; and, when your lust for profits persuades you to shake down your customers, they revolt and threaten to leave both you and your content supplier empty handed. After all, they have elsewhere to go: Where’s that? There’s a wide open digital universe, which depends on the wide distribution of P2P software, that increasingly rejects ANY compromise with the existing Copyright Regime; either as legislatively protected monopoly, or as Perpetuity. One benefit: No worries about Safe Harbors.

    Two: The Mega-Upload Model, in which you operate your File Storage Service for the exclusive benefit of customers. You pay no tribute to Copyright Holders; and, you very loudly claim Safe Harbors. The customer is responsible. Anybody can upload; and, you have no idea what anybody is downloading. You say you diligently comply with take-down notices. Your name should not be on any lawsuit filed asserting a violation of DMCA. Advantages: the modern digital Internet absolutely loves you; and, your success pressures legacy monopolies to adapt with concessions to citizens and customers. Disadvantage: Your are protected only by the strength of your Safe Harbors; and, if you’ve neglected those, the mother of all tsunamis will come to wash you away.

    If he were successful in impeding the presently wide open distribution of p2p distribution software, Alki David would, in effect, be preparing the digital landscape for
    more powerful versions of the Netflix Model; under which, customers would have “NO CHOICE” or less choice; and, would, therefore, pay more of a higher Copyright Distribution premium to Copyright Holders.

    That is NOT the future. That is the past.

    Suggestion to Alki David: Create your own version of Mega. You can bring hitherto unheard of business discipline, strategic insight, and material wherewithall to a business model based on forcing the dynastic dinosaurs of Copyright to finally adapt to the present age.

    They want to make their money on copyright perpetuity forever.

    That’s NOT going to happen. You can create what’s coming……Or. a new; better educated; more strategic; better resourced, KIM DotCom will create it; but, not for you, for himself and the world.

  • Rizzo

    Anyone individual who has a billion in personal wealth needs fucking with a christmas tree to clear the shit out of their eye so they can see the injustices in this world caused by people like David The Alckie. No individual in this world needs a billion unless their intention is philanthropic and altruistic. His words fall on deaf ears. Who gives a fuck what a billionaire thinks?

    • Guest

      no one cares about him or his wife. they think people do so they prattle on and on. they can’t stand him on his own chat site. she won’t even go on there anymore because people are mean to her. they get what they give. hate. no one even knows who either of them are. ask any man or woman on the street and they could not pick them out of a lineup. sad pathetic souls

  • joexxx

    Alki David, needs to stick to what he does best – spending his inheritance.

  • http://twitter.com/Anime4PSP Anime 4 PSP

    “The Internet is a small place and easy to navigate”
    ololo. most stupid phrase I’ve heard in last few months

  • R78623t9

    thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….thousands of millions….
    I listen to music for free, whilst suffering through the injustice.
    Just a normal first world peasant. And THIS is how he wants to change the world???
    Bollocks to that. Rich men can’t buy two lives. What a waste of power, waste of a man.

  • veetann

    The whole thing seems logical to me dude.
    anon-wayz.tk

  • Kevin Grech

    $5 for each torrent? Good thing there are magnets…

  • xtien2win

    There is no “solution to the piracy problem”…….the digital transfer of data via electronic networks will continue to change the way humans do basic things like listen to music, watch movies, read books, etc. Just as the ability to use fire fundamentally changed the way Homo Erectus conducted his affairs, so does modern technology affect 21st century humanity’s. The opening of Pandora’s jar cannot be undone.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      Agreed. These companies are just going to have to realize that they are not the gatekeepers anymore and move on.

  • Neb12

    Yep. Can’t unring the bell. I agree that the implementation of so-called copyright law is off base as intended. However, we live in a world of the interpretation of laws. Thus, “The Golden Rule”.

    Bunch of damn dopers can’t get thier nose off the table top.

    Except for the cheezy flame war, this has been a good thread.

  • noko

    So, long story short, the Billionaire’s a greedy fuck and we all know it.

  • 1hhh1

    Is Alki an Alki?

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  • BlindMyStare

    this bastard complains about “orwellian nightmares” and wants ISPs to monitor customers? nice double-think, buddy.

  • TheOiulkj

    “You cannot sell guns and tell people the best way to use them to kill people.”

    …Yes, actually you can.

  • A396447

    “The Internet is a small place and easy to navigate.”
    -Alki David

    this is just about up there for ignorance with “for the children”

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