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Billionaire Moves To Ban BitTorrent Client Downloads

Billionaire Alki David and a number of recording artists have not given up on their copyright infringement battle with CNET’s Download.com. Continuing with their allegations that Download.com induced piracy, the coalition have asked a court to issue a sweeping injunction, one that would ban all BitTorrent client downloads from the popular software download portal. Even an article published by CNET about the band Counting Crows legally distributing their music on BitTorrent is painted in a bad light

In 2011, Alki David, the billionaire behind the FilmOn video service, declared war on CNET and its owner CBS.

David, and a coalition of supportive recording artists, sued the companies for their role in distributing file-sharing software including uTorrent and LimeWire.

Their claim was that CNET had profited from the distribution of file-sharing software that could be used to download infringing material, and had also published software reviews on Download.com that included references to illegal downloads from the likes of Madonna, Lady GaGa and Rihanna.

In July this year CBS and CNET responded that the reviews were merely opinions and that being held liable for inducing infringement would amount to a violation of their right to free speech under the First Amendment.

A judge disagreed, ruling that inducement could be considered since Download.com also distributed the software they reviewed.

While there can be little doubt that LimeWire ended up with a serious black mark after it was shut down by the New York District Court in 2010, BitTorrent client creators and distributors have kept somewhat of a clean sheet. If Alki David gets his way, all that will soon change.

In a new filing in the case (thanks Techdirt), David and his artist coalition launch an attack on BitTorrent clients in general in the hope that a judge will grant an injunction to ban their distribution through Download.com.

The motion for preliminary injunction states that in the wake of the LimeWire shutdown, CBS and CNET “enthusiastically embraced” BitTorrent and distributed more than 65 million torrent clients such as uTorrent. The companies “shamelessly promoted” their use for infringing purposes, despite being aware that those clients were “used overwhelmingly” to infringe copyright, the plaintiffs argue.

CNET’s news reporting is also sucked into the lawsuit. One cited instance involves an article they published in May called “Download This Mr. Jones”, which was about the band Counting Crows distributing their music for free on BitTorrent. CNET included a link for people to download uTorrent to get the music, but why this should be a problem is far from clear.

Another cites CNET’s version of a TorrentFreak story that listed infringements at US universities. The publishing of this article confirms that CNET knows that infringement can happen on BitTorrent, David and the artists argue.

The plaintiffs go on to predict that torrent client makers (described in the filing as a “clear and present danger”) will soon be found secondarily liable for infringement just as LimeWire was before them. On that basis (and despite the software not being under threat in any court) the filing goes on to accuse CBS and CNET of being “intentionally lazy and under-reactive” in continuing to distribute torrent software.

The plaintiffs (referred to as Sugar Hill Music, et al) go on to claim that this distribution is causing infringement of their music “on a massive scale” and that unless it is stopped they will be caused irreparable harm.

An injunction forcing CBS to stop the distribution of uTorrent, Vuze, FrostWire plus any and all BitTorrent-enabled software is required as soon possible, they argue. A hearing is planned for February 2013.

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  • Guest

    CNET and CBS should tell the plaintiffs to go fuck their fucking selves because a torrent client isn’t illegal by itself, and what users choose to do with it isn’t their responsibility.

    • glomzz

      Billionaire Alki David is MAFIAA’s Best Bum Buddy.

      I guess it’s true…”Politics do make strange bed fellows”.

      • JordanKratz

        Alki David you are scum and you should be the big target site for Anonymous.
        Please hack and crack this A-Hole.
        Would be great to release his dirty laundry to the World.

        Alki David Fuck Off You Piece of Shit.

        • he is familiar

          is this the guy with the seedy chat room site ?
          I think I remember a cam site by him, a few years ago.
          Don’t know why I ended up there but he was getting trolled by people for some good reason.
          Is that him ?
          What was/is the site ?

        • I knew I knew him

          Disregard that…… Found it. http://www.battlecam.com

          This SICKFUCK ABUSES poor people.
          Gives them cash to put tattoos of his site on them.
          None of them would willingly get the tattoo if they didn’t need the money.
          100% billionaire abusing poor people for his own financial gain.

          Alki David sure is a cunt with cash.

        • bruce

          We better close down the Internet. I heard it can be used to pirate movies.

      • http://torrentfreak.com/ Rob8urcakes

        So billionaire Alki Davis says to CNET, “I don’t like what you’re doing coz if BitTorrent didn’t exist, I could make a few more billion. So I’m gonna get a Court to put you outta business and make filesharing of all kinds illegal unless they pay for a licence to share from me – your friendly billionaire.”

        No wonder the Pirate Party in Countries Worldwide and starting to do oh so fecken well. Because what we need here is a political solution with legal rights to fileshare freely and openly.

        Want to take part in your own Nation’s PP? It’s easy, start here and click on your Country -
        http://www.pp-international.net/

    • lulz

      Alki David should shoot himself

      • Sickfuck

        + On cam, for $1.
        That’s what he would do to poor people IF he could get away with it.

        It’s fucking sick what he has already got poor people to do on cam, for cash.

      • Guest

        Who the fuck is Alki David?

    • Zenamez

      Exactly! How the fuck are we meant to get large files like Linux distros? Fucking dumbasses. Last time I checked, Linux wasn’t illegal (but no doubt Alki David will say otherwise).

      Also reminds me of a Panorama episode on filesharing and laughing as this fat police dude who claimed to be “an expert in internet related crimes” openly said (and on many an occasion in that documentary) that the clients themselves are illegal to have. Haven’t laughed so hard in ages.

    • Chuck

      This is complete bullshit. If they win, we need to start suing car manufacturers because they make cars that are able to go faster than the speed limit. And then, the next time I’m going the speed limit, and someone passes me, I’m going to sue them for endangering me by speeding. We (USA) are so screwed up!

      • Whatever

        Yesterday my house was broken into. I sued Stanley for the crowbar, Nike for the thief’s snickers, Ford for the getway car and the mayor for providing a street where the the came into my house from and also used for getting away.

      • Shithouseofthefirstorder

        arrrrhhhh booo hooo poor little shit kicking theiving little toe rag wants to talk about suing someone. Boohoo…our internet is being fucked and we dickheads are giving the the excuse to do it, but we carry on because we cannot see past our own greed and over inflated sense of self entitlement to other peoples property.
        Fuck you asshole.

        • Rffghj

          You are a prick and a self confessed dickhead shithouse.

    • Somebody Else

      If they burn bittorrent makers, they’ll have to do the same to the makers of ftp, http, uuencode, and every other form of file transfer protocol or method since computers started communicating.

      Bittorrent is nothing more than a very efficient protocol for transferring data, just like all the others.
      The only reason why file sharers use it is because it is efficient. I’ve been into computers since way back in the 80s, and one thing has never changed, those who transfer files a lot or large files, including file sharers/pirates, find and use the best tools they can.
      Right now it’s Bittorrent. Just like it has so many times in the past, that will change, but it hasn’t yet.

      • J4ff

        so true, and if ‘bittorrent’ becomes illegal in the usa, what about the rest of the world? it’ll still exist thats for sure. This attempt is short sighted and stupid. And david alki is a nasty peice of work. fuck him.

    • Chronoss2008

      lets do as tey do , all hand guns and there makers need be stopped
      OH NO a hammer was used in a crime thus they need ot be made illegal

      yes yes its not PEOPLE that do crimes its STUFF
      inanimate matter that wanders the land doing grievous evil upon mankind….muhaha

    • xpmule

      might as well sue Microsoft also because i bet the clients run on windows..

      ya gotta love anti-piracy advocates logic lol

      the stupidest people on the face of the earth !

      I bet they are preparing their lawsuits for all the major oems too..
      better sue Dell and Gateway and HP etc..
      Every coder that ever contributed to Linux/BSD etc
      Every single ISP on the planet..
      Electronics manufacturers.. better sue Hynix because they made the ram on my graphics card that powered my pc that powered my uTorrent..

      Piracy can be stopped easily just like stopping illegal drugs..
      make a law “..bam done !” <- the Boss (The Life & Times Of Tim)

      people might think my analogy here is ridiculous but its the reality of the situation.

      What we need is to show organised crime how to make money with this and we'll have some backup ;)
      Then maybe we can have an H.A. steel toe kick this piece of shit asshole in his rich face lol
      And yeah i am aware there is organised crime involved already but from what i gather its mostly a EUR non piracy related deal.
      If these anti-piracy advocates will use insanely illegal / unethical sneaky methods of stopping pirates then we should match their behaviour and give it back to them.. i don't think we do much of anything collectively. We just sit back and wait for the next round of bs and then bitch and moan.
      Garbage pos low life anti-piracy douches should be treated like what they are.. Terrorists (look up the definition and compare to known anti-p2p activities)

  • Steve Donaghy

    I guess we should stop selling knives since they can be used to stab people.

    • thedude321

      Hey maybe we should stop selling chairs because stupid people fall off. These days, money dont mean you got brains.

    • Kevin Grech

      We should ban all music and internet as music can be pirated and internet can be used to pirate music

      • dop

        Right ! WE ALL SHOULD KILL ALL PEOPLE ALL PARASITES BECOUSE ALL CAN BE PIRATES ALL OF US CAN KILL OR MAKE MISTAKES ,SO TO PREVENT THIS IS BETTER TO KILL THEM ALL PEOPLE
        (something simillar happened with great carnivores ,predators in some countries like UK , they kill them all becouse these represent a potential danger for people or for livestock sheeps , the same happened with poor amerindians in USA almoust all killed becouse fight for freedom for theirs lands and rights (no wonder – ancestors of actual USA was the same UKs – most of all criminals and deported prisoniers ! )
        IN WHAT STUPID AND ABSURD SHIT WORLD WE LIVIN ,WHAT THE FUCKIN WORLD WE BUILD – A WORLD OF ABSURDITY , GREED , STUPIDITY, LIES, ILUSSIONS AND MONEY (PIECES OF “TOILET” PAPER,EYES OF EVIL , ETC ETC ) ?
        THATS THE WORLD OF SUPERIOR BEINGS “ANIMALS” CALL HUMANS … WE (HUMANS) REMAIN THE WORST ENEMY OF US AFTER DESTROY AND MESS THIS WORLD LOL
        WHAT IRONY …We all are quilty for this , becouse all close eyes ,doesnt realize or accept and let this happen
        Humans Are Their Own Worst Enemies!
        Nature will come back from us to fix this mistake in one day , some of us will anihilate us if anything will not do this before , then all of our stupid illusions , lies , greed and money , buildings etc etc all of this society will remain just dust – a dust of greed which destroy a “superior” being – human

        Capitalism it is be the beginning of the end – a era of wasteing (energy, all kind of type of limited resources ) a era of polution ,a era of commercial , focused on consumerism (wasteing) were only matter it is just MONEY (capitalism – mean system based on capital – money) that system does not care about humans , about people lives , not care about nature, not care about future, have not responsability of using resources , dont promote education and progress becouse this system need monopoly and stupid people easy to manipulate to work hard like slaves , stupid people foolished to buy more and more useless shits everyday , stupid people to make experiments on them , to use them like tools , this system is run by greedy parasite bastards to make more money , they used bankers , corrupted politicians to control and enslave people
        all just to have a luxury life for these greedy stupid parasites

        • Hghghg

          meh.

    • Anon

      You make a reasonable point, Steve, but you set aside all other reality in order to make it. That’s a typical limited, pirate mentality.

      Were knives, legal as they are, hijacked by pirates all over the world and uses in cooperation with each other en masse and in consistently unlawful ways to wreak havoc in culture, dismantle certain businesses, deprive rightsholders and artists of what was formally THEIR rights and eliminate established commerce to deprive government of sales taxes, we could reasonably expect to lose our rights to knives, too, no matter how much you whine.

      That’s a form of simple common sense, reiterated by history, that is simply lost on you. That’s why the governments and industries don’t engage you in meaningful dialog. That’s why they hunt you and punish you for possessing a knife, instead. And the people return these legislators to office with landslides.

      More popcorn. lol

      • Anyone

        piracy has no negative effect on culture or artists

        it doesn’t even have a direct negative effect on the MAFIAA, it only has a negative effect on them because of artists leaving them because with the internet they can reach the fans without this middleman taking 90% of their earnings

      • Also Anon

        I see how this explains handguns too.

      • Fredrika

        > “..to wreak havoc in culture..”

        You seem confused, there’s no havoc in culture? Culture actually flourishes more now than ever before, the culture industry makes more money than ever before, and the artists make more money than ever before. Where’s the havoc?

        > “..dismantle certain businesses..”

        When a business tries to sell something which nobody wants or needs they dismantle themselves.

        > “..deprive rightsholders and artists of what was formally THEIR rights..”

        That they previously held rights is not an argument for why they should continue hold them. Have you ever heard of the concept circular reasoning?

        > “..and eliminate established commerce to deprive government of sales taxes..”

        You seem confused. No sales taxes goes missing from non-profit piracy, it actually goes up, according to those independent studies that have been made. You do know that IP is damaging to the economy?

        > “That’s a form of simple common sense, reiterated by history, that is simply lost on you.”

        More history revisionism? History tells us that obsolete businesses have always gone under, and that’s the way it should be on the free market. But you do seem to have a problem with that and capitalism.

        • Momascumquot

          Oh here we go…it would not be a fucking show without Punch would it?
          Here we go, little miss know it all, but knows fuckall gobshitefreaka.
          You know what? I said to myself before I even read her crap I bet she uses the same, boring tired phrases she always uses ‘ You seem confused’ and I was right LOL.
          She is like one of those fucking dolls that you pull a string on it and it just repeats recorded dull ass phrases.

          Pull the string……’you seem confused’… pull the string ‘you are a failed business man’….. pull the string ‘you could not make it in the free market’ ….pull the string ‘it is not stealing’ ….pull the string ‘the price can only ever be 0′….pull the string….’I'm fredrika and I am a total gobshite who needs to get a life instead of splurging out the same tired mantras for the self congratulating cunts on here to congratulate me on in the vague hope they might get a shag’.
          I’ve seen Fredrika and you would pick her up with two shitty sticks.
          Just my two cents.

      • Guest

        “That’s why the governments and industries don’t engage you in meaningful dialog.”

        The governments and industries don’t engage us in meaningful dialogue because we have facts on our side. They don’t.

        That makes debating us pretty difficult.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        And I believe trolling is finally confirmed.

        Or perhaps I shouldn’t be so certain since he does sound a bit like Gene Simmons there.

        In which case, assuming that pen and paper could be used for similar purposes? Which is far more close to truth than a “knife”.

        I think I know the answer. You’d happily spring for a double amputation standard of every human being since hands and finger could indeed be used to press “ctrl-C”.

      • ScrewEwe2
      • Anom1

        You want a better example yes ?

        How’s this one making creative content leads to it being hijacked by pirates all over the world and uses in cooperation with each other en masse and in consistently unlawful ways to wreak havoc in culture, dismantle certain businesses, deprive rightsholders and artists of what was formally THEIR rights and eliminate established commerce to deprive government of sales taxes, we could reasonably expect to lose our rights

        So no more content being create equals – good because no piracy occurs

        Blame the rightsholders because they helped created and lead people to pirate

    • Tzd

      Dude, in the UK they’ve already done that.

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        That just shows how stupid the U.K. is.

  • JimmyBlue

    In the words of the Virgin Mary…..come again!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CPLV52DISFYFU3UQ35QF3N6O5E j c

    stop being around people cause people kill people

  • M.

    Why not just ban computers? Solved that problem for you !

    • cgimusic

      But then people wouldn’t be able to buy digital music. I don’t think you understand how this works. Technology is only illegal if it is inconvenient for them.

  • AsianGhost77

    Use nuclear bomb instead.

  • anon

    There are offshore websites.

  • Maxx

    Mmm. So because a library sells chemistry books that can give people an understanding of chemistry… and because chemistry can be used to create poison… all libraries should be closed because their books could, in theory, be used to create poison.

    Logic. The argument lacks it.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Fortunately similar attempts have been made in the past. And been struck down in thunderbolts by any judge who looked at it.

      Basically, a bittorrent client is a string of numbers and text. Basically even your example doesn’t go far enough to match reality – it’s even as bad as trying to ban paper and pencil because someone might copy a text with them.

    • KenP

      Bad idea, Max. Do you realize what a chemistry textbook costs these days? If they were banned, starving college students might eat better and make Mrs Obama happy.

    • IDIOCRACY

      And my physics book learns me how to make a thermo nuclear device, now my brain has that information copied so I know how to make a thermo nuclear device, so I (the copy) should be banned??? together with the physics book?
      When will they start to sue you when you walk on the street and whistle the melody of “Paint it black”, or ” Fast as a shark” which can be heard by people you pass….Lets ban brains too hehe (they won’t have a problem with that hence they have none anyway)

    • JohnGaspardo

      No library should be closed because they are obviously a prime target for spending cuts to pay for when we nuke iran.

    • Ophelia Millais

      Libraries don’t sell books, they lend them, usually at taxpayer expense. And believe you me, the content industry hates libraries. They make this painfully clear at every turn. The rights that libraries have were the result of hard-fought battles and continued public support. Support your local library any way you can, folks.

  • Guest

    If they succeed with getting this banned then they will probably go on to outright ban BitTorrent together and make it illegal for anyone to use the service. I guess the RIAA and MPAA will hope that this one wins, I hope not.

    • Guest

      Further to my comment as LimeWire was banned this will no doubt set a precedent in getting BitTorrent clients banned and maybe the whole BitTorrent system itself. I hope not.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      My question is: “How?”

      Most bittorrent clients are open source, meaning that there is no company to make an injunction against. And the code? Yea, banning a program which allows user A to pass information to user B…?

      That’s much like banning a telephone protocol because if people could hear one another over the phone someone might swear.

      And to tell CNET to stop distributing programs which can cause that effect? Similarly ridiculous.

  • IHaveNoBalls

    The only real crime here is that their are people on this planet has over a billion dollars to their name while some people have nothing…

    • Gordon

      Billionaires are criminals. They should be thrown in prison and their wealth nationalized.

  • Reader

    so let me get this straight.. this guy would also want to ban CARS because they can also be used to facilitate drug transportation and sales, right? what a douche :/

  • zunfooo

    lol, dudes got way too much spare time on his hands lol
    http://www.Anon-Webz.tk

  • 1Maenad

    Cars can be used to commit crimes, like bank robberies. Let’s go after all the auto dealerships and get them shut down! *grabs torches & pitchfork*

  • Midas

    Never buying Counting Crows again…

    • Midas

      Lol I’m retarded commenting before reading.

      • cgimusic

        “Well I did read their name in the article, and my pitchfork is already out for this Alki David guy…”

    • Golden Touché

      Hmm… why not? (multiple choice)

      A – They are trying to ban BitTorrent! Rage! I didn’t read the article!
      B – I don’t have to because they rather awesomely released their music for free

  • xxl

    if you have money, you can to do anything… STOP!!!!

    • puddpuddi

      Hammer Time!!

      • IDIOCRACY

        or I will attack and you don’t want that (SNAP)

    • Duppduppi

      In the name of love!

    • nutsackinfullretreat

      Collaborate and listen!!!!

  • Waseihou

    Try thinking about the case with cold head. I do not know all details, but if if they promoted bittorrent client as a tool for “illegal filesharing”, then they should probably remove or edit all such articles. Any description of bittorrent client where it is used for downloading should contain a legal download example, either from band which is using it to distribute content or as a means to download linux distribution.

    If someone writes in their posts where to download “illegal” copies of something, then of course those posts can be DMCAed and they should remove them or censor the infringing part – ie. link, and put it to chillingeffects.org. Of course DMCA is bad, but from current legal point of view this should be like this.

    If they want to hit them, they could try to sue them for “inciting crime” if they have any evidence. If the evidence is not enough proof of criminal activity, then there is nothing the can do. Then it is just FUD…

  • Dondilly

    The important words that expose the hole in their argument are ‘could’ and ‘can’ be used for infringement. It acknowledges that the underlying technology has legitimate purposes. It is therefore protected else you could ban distribution of any file transfer tool, ftp, browser or even the very computer itself.

    Why not ban cars, they CAN be used to break the law, from speeding right through to using that 2 ton lump of steel as a lethal weapon. Car manufacturers are not banned from selling these devices or prosecuted for incitement of a crime even though each manufacturer out does each other boasting ever increasing performance and top speeds way in excess of the legal speed limit. Common sense prevails as ultimately there are legit uses and staying within the law is the responsibility of the user.

    Their comparison with Limewire is not a fair one and merely intended to mislead the court. At it’s core all bittorrent does is supplement the download bandwidth of the original file source with that of other downloaders. There is no peer search and file hashes nor trackers notifying of peers are not under centralized control. BT is a transmission standard.

    Limewire was a closed proprietry network with centralised servers that kept track of peers and all searches had to pass through these servers. This meant the network admins were aware of what was being searched for which was a key part of the case against limewire (and pressure to filter searches). What however was most damning to limewire and what forced their demise was the publicity blurb on the limewire site acknowledged and promoted its ability to download infringing files.

    That said, it was for a court to decide on limewire’s legality and until that decision cnet was right not to withdraw the download.

  • djnforce9

    Alki David sounds like another complete moron with a lot of money. Until uTorrent, Limewire, etc are deemed illegal (hint: That will NEVER happen), CNET and other places have every right to re-distribute it like any other software.

  • Seriously?

    Oh, but why stop there? Be sure to sue to ISPs because of their potential utilization in cyber crimes like uh… oh! Pedophilia… and stuff. Y’know. FFS, these guys need to get off their high horse.

    • Clownius

      They tried that exact trick in Australia when they sued iiNet. The score is three nill so far iiNets way :)

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  • Lolol

    its the classic battle between those who want to control everything and those who want everything from the internet, and the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. another loss of internet freedom for a crappy cammed version of ‘Ted’ a supposed comedy.

  • someone shoot alki

    Alki David is the guy behind filmon, who are themselves basically a pirate service and are being sued by just about every major TV and film studio. He’s a well known troll and nutjob, in his late 50′s and known for filming himself prank calling people etc

    • Alki

      Early 40s actually

  • spycrab

    so they going to sue microsoft too?
    because IE can be used to download files too
    oh and firefox and chrome too

    tell these idiots to jump off a cliff coz there stupid

  • Ophelia Millais

    The list of plaintiffs is all 1-hit-wonder songwriters, and even less-relevant acts, none of whom have written anything in 20 or 30 years. The fact that it includes Luther Campbell of 2 Live Crew just blows my mind. He had the balls to call himself Luke Skyywalker until he got smacked down by LucasFilm. Then when Roy Orbison’s publisher sued him for using a sample of “Oh, Pretty Woman”, he got it declared fair use, not “stealing”. But here we are 20 years later, the royalty checks have stopped rolling in, and rather than make new music people want to buy, he’s on the other side of the copyright debate now, whining about people “stealing” from him and demanding a handout he doesn’t deserve.

    I’d like to believe that most of these has-beens signed on because they don’t understand the Internet, have no business savvy, long ago lost their ability to write appealing music, and were just too dumb to see Alki David for the piece of work he is. However, they probably really do believe that anyone and everyone should be handing them and 5 generations of their descendants gobs of money for a song that was a hit during the Cold War. It’s sad, really.

    • Ji JOK

      hi

  • http://drwho.virtadpt.net/ The Doctor

    Good luck with that.

  • The_Strawbear

    A shop that sells knives know they can be used to stab people.
    A car showroom knows their goods can be used to run people over or to transport drugs.
    I fail to see the difference.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      You can use pen and paper to actually copy texts as well.

      The horror.

      • MadAsASnake

        Oh no! You mean someone could write a sentence without permission from a monopoly cartel?

  • Facefuck

    I didnt even read the past the first two paragraphs and I got so fuckin mad at this big asswipe. This is the typical 1% to you fellow sharers. FUCK THAT guy AND his fucking buddies. Artists? I bet their fkin artworks (any form of it) SUX FKIN D!CK!

    Hey DUMBASS! Your shit doesn’t sell cuz it BLOWS.
    BUTTHURT MUCH ARE WE? MR 1%!!!

    FUCK these people, fuck em to hell, AND their businesses.
    I hope they get hit by the biggest truck full of acid,
    smashed between two trains loaded with liquid propane,
    get hit by a plane full of terrorist suicide bombers,
    derezzed by Tron,
    fucked up the ass with Satans pitchfork in eternal hell
    and slapped by Jesus while I smash their balls with a sledge.

    —–
    No srsly. Go kill yourself and take that posse full of wankers with you. Trying to piss on technology just cuz you can’t make any money of of it? Bitch please!

    • Alki

      the reason you got mad is because you didnt read past he first few lines dumbass

      i love filesharing – LOVE IT

      Cnet is bad

      • Ophelia Millais

        If you want anyone to take you seriously, you’re going to need to stop trolling and respond like a grown adult. Or if you’re serious about this, then explain yourself better.

        We know why you think CNet is bad. But this “love” of file sharing is a new one…if you aren’t joking, then just how is your lawsuit against CNet not completely at odds with your love of file sharing?

        BitTorrent clients facilitate sharing, and the more places you can read about them and download them from, the better. Who cares if some download sites make money from ads? Set up your own download site and put ads on it, and keep all the money. Problem solved.

      • FACEFUCK

        come again plz? dickweed… I read the whole article but this sentence at the beginning was enough to ruin my breakfast.

        Going against Bittorrent? Rly? Y CNET? I can get all the clients and tools for torrenting everywhere on the web but you have some personal grudge against CNET? UMAD?
        Also: did check out both your web services. How the fudge do you even earn money with that shit? Hope nobody talks about your stupid attempt at fighting distribution technology on Battlecam. Now that oughta be a show.
        … plz dont kill yourself trying to fight Bittorrent D: they might blame your death on that one too.

  • Anon

    I hope this gets thrown out of court, I use bittorrent every so often for e.g:
    Linux distros
    Humble Bundle
    Starcraft 2

    All of them 100% legal.

    Seriously, with their logic you could get allot of things banned because of their POTENTIAL.

    • Allan Orr

      I’m a member of IndieCity, the client used there is built to use BitTorrent to transfer the games and demos you play, keep them updated, and if you opt in share with other users.
      Add being a regular purchaser of various indie bundles including the Indie Game Music Bundle and Humble Bundle, most of which provide downloads via BT because it’s more bandwidth efficient for the providers.
      I also run two laptops on Linux distros, and my windows desktop uses mostly open source software of which most is released via BT again.

      They need to grow up, BitTorrent is probably the best method of distributed file provision we could have given there’s no central control which means if things do go pear shaped somewhere the other sources should be able to help recover the situation. The legitimate uses of BT far outweigh the perceived piracy implications.

  • Randy_Lahey

    He didn’t earn a dime of his fortune, he inherited a beverage company which then sold out to Coca-Cola. Also, he had a few minor acting roles which one can assume he only acquired because he bought his way into the industry..So not only does this guy complain about others who get things for free while sitting in a mansion that his father earned, he belongs to a company that sells high-fructose corn syrup and diabetes to the public.

    In short: The guy is a money-hungry nobody who’s married to a money-hungry nobody.

  • http://www.facebook.com/romet.loodus Romet Loodus

    Perhaps we should also ban all ftp clients because they too can be used for downloading illegal copies of movies and music?

    US allows people to purchase guns which could be used to kill people but not file sharing programs which could be used to download illegal files?

    what the….

    • ScrewEwe2

      Guns don’t kill people, the MAF!AA Kills people.

    • MadAsASnake

      not to mention http sites as well.

  • XXx

    What the point this guy is trying to prove to the world

    he is too rich !!!

    IS bit Torrent ILLEGAL if one shares home made videos !!!!

    He is going nuts

  • ForestSilverwood

    I bet a lot more infringement is viewed on web browsers. Lets ban them too!

    /sarc

  • Anon

    Courts should only provide magnet links for their forms :)

  • danielrobertsg

    He offered to pay Richard O’Dwyers legal fees, yet he does this? Hypocrite, let us not forget he is also, allegedly, illegally broadcasting other TV networks, and making a hefty profit! If he’d making so much money from “sharing” these channels with people, then he should leave bittorrent alone.. Hyprocritial dick

  • http://twitter.com/Mido1000 Ahmed Omar

    Just a word…. fuck you Alki David …and fuck your bloody money

    • Alki

      thats at least eight words

  • A-none

    1) Who the hell has ever heard of “Sugar Hill Music” (or any of their “artists”) and
    2) I suppose they’ll be moving to ban cars (and all vehicles), because they can be used to get away from the scene of a crime?

    Someone flush these douchebags down the toilet once 7 for all.

    • Ophelia Millais

      OK, let me tell you a little bit about Sugar Hill Music.

      Sugar Hill Records was a record company/label that was best known for “Rapper’s Delight” by Sugarhill Gang and for “White Lines” and “The Message” by Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five. If you know anything about the history of rap, you know those songs.

      The rights to the recordings were sold off ages ago, but the publishing rights for the underlying compositions are in the hands of Sugar Hill Music, a corporate front for the two label cofounders (both now dead) and their 3 adult children. Sugarhill Gang sued Sugar Hill Music in 2008 for not having paid the bandmembers any royalties in “decades”, but the case apparently settled or was dropped. Then—and this is priceless—just this year, the company pleaded guilty(!) to tax evasion in an effort to avoid reporting royalties for 2005-2008. They dinged the Government for nearly $2 million, and now owe that and more…

      Check it out:
      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-29/rapper-s-delight-studio-owners-plead-guilty-in-tax-case
      http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/from_rappers_delight_to_tax_co.html

      So I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going on here.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Great little job here of putting the flashlight under the rug where the bones are buried. Thanks.

  • Anyone

    car dealers advertise that their cars can go faster than the speed limit even on highways

    close all car dealerships, they are promoting crimes!

  • David bitch

    What does this fucking bitch of David want ?
    More $$
    It’s a billionnairre xDDDD What’s the fuck ?!
    Suck us pussy, we are free !

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    Christ, maybe they’ll try to ban computers and the internet, too.

  • Alki

    Uh… Its not filesharing thats bad. Its Cnet. Long live filesharing.

    Alki

    • Ophelia Millais

      I don’t really get it. Your case against CNet is pretty well explained. But how do you reconcile the lawsuit against support of file sharing? If CNet wants to distribute file-sharing software, isn’t that a good thing? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • Roswell1701

    Oh, come on! How the fuck can any one bring legal action against a web site or individual who is legally distributing legal software? Any court that is even willing to hear the argument is definitely on the take…

    • Ophelia Millais

      Before 2001, that would’ve been a possibility, but long story short, there are precedent-setting court cases where the makers & distributors of software widely used for copyright infringement have been found liable for the infringements committed by their users (LimeWire, Grokster, Napster). The Sony defense (that the software was also used for non-infringing purposes) doesn’t totally insulate them. If there’s evidence of infringement by users, there are various levels of secondary infringement that the software makers & distributors might be liable for, depending on what they knew users were doing, what they did about it, and how the software was promoted. So the court is obligated to hear the case and take those other cases into consideration. It doesn’t mean the plaintiffs will win, though.

      • Roswell1701

        You’re right… The most infamous case that comes to mind is the demise of 321 Studios. The argument of LIABILITY was a major factor in the Prosecution’s case…

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          Ah, but remember…. those people had a history of ENCOURAGING infringement through various means, in fact out and out saying “Use this for piracy!” CNet has done this.

          They have said “Yes, this software can be used for illegal (actually, civilly liable) purposes but we don’t support you doing that!”

          They are just giving a full outline of the usages of a piece of software.

    • Alki

      read the complaint the you may understand

      • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

        No, Alki, even after reading the complaint I don’t understand because it is STILL a specious argument on the part of this man.

  • Dark

    >billionaires
    >claiming piracy causes “irreperable harm”

    lolllllllll

  • MadAsASnake

    … and if CNET stops offering uTorrent, we can get it plenty of other places. Brainless.

    • Alki

      Yes.

  • NaziAmerica

    This should read: Failed business heir throws a temper tantrum.

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  • RIAAtarded

    i think the courts need to start charging for the time that is being wasted by these groups and individuals. I’m tired of my tax dollars being wasted on the frivolous and insane actions of a desperate industry that doesn’t realize it’s time has passed. There isn’t anything that can’t be used for a purpose it wasn’t originally intended and just because it can be done doesn’t mean it needs to be outlawed. Just another case of an industry refusing to embrace a new technology as their old model dies off. We wrote books by hand before the printing press, they delivered ice door to door before the refrigerator, rode horses before the car, literally there are tonnes of example how the technology progressed and the outgoing status quo fought tooth and nail to stop its inception. What we as consumers and voters need to do is to stop them using legislation delays to this transition.

  • Guest

    “David, a producer, actor and musician, has a history of bad blood with CBS. His company, UK-based FilmOn, was sued by CBS and other major networks after he started broadcasting their programming over the internet without a license. Last November, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order against the company.”

    Source: http://paidcontent.org/2011/07/06/419-alki-david-drops-cnet-lawsuit-vows-to-bring-expanded-action/

  • JG

    This is probably going to be an unpopular post here, but…. I can kind of see his logic in this one….

    If I’m reading the article correctly, in this particular case at least, he isn’t trying to get a global ban of the entire protocol or anything like that, as a lot of the commenters seem to suggest. He’s simply trying to get CNet to stop not only running articles that might encourage some to use the technology for evil while also providing a direct easy access to said technology. He is arguing that by saying “hey this must-see hollywood blockbuster has been downloaded millions of times, for free, using torrents” and then “Click here to get your own torrent client” is basically saying “you know, why don’t you start downloading movies too…”. Especially if in the “Related software” box, PeerBlock or some other anti-MAFIAA tracking program pops up. In this case, its not that people are using the bittorrent protocols to illegally download copyrighted works, it’s that CNet is basically encouraging people to start. And of course when they follow the link, CNet makes some cash from the various ads they’ve got on the download site, maybe some throw back for getting another person to download the software, etc… So they benefit by encouraging you to break the law…

    And that could explain why the Counting Crows article was brought up. “You can download Counting Crows songs by using this software”… Awesome. But while those of us reading this site probably are informed enough to know just because Counting Crows are cool doesn’t mean everyone else we might find online are…. I could probably see my aunt thinking “Well CNet said Counting Crows was a legal download & I found it at KickAssTorrents, so all of the other links there must be legal as well…” And before you know it, MAFIAA is knocking on her door for terabytes worth of music, movies, books, etc…

    • Anyone

      why is encouraging people to pirate bad?
      all studies show that piracy has no negative effect

      • JG

        Because, right or wrong, piracy is illegal…

        I for one trust whole heatedly that the companies who made trillions of dollars coping other people’s works have my best interest in mind when they spend millions to bribe my elected officials into creating even stricter laws against piracy so others can’t copy their property. I mean why would Micky Mouse lie to me when telling me that giving complete & unquestionable control of who can be online to the MAFIAA isn’t for the best interest of the American people as a whole… Obviously every time someone torrents a movie, Al Quida becomes one step closer to another terroristic plot against the American people… They’d only take sites offline to protect our democracy…

      • Alki

        whats studies you imbecile

        • Anyone

          this one for example: http://torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-30-more-music-than-non-p2p-peers-121015/

          you know the study is right when the RIAA is trying very hard to spin it
          I’m sure with a bit of googling you can find more independent studies that all show piracy is not hurting culture or artists

          the RIAA is hurting artists, that’s why they leave them and their market share is dropping

  • Anonymous

    i hope him and his cronies get well and truly screwed! jealousy can be a dangerous affliction, as can not getting your own way!

  • https://twitter.com/OffensivAtheist Bismarket

    I thought he was doing this to point out the hypocrisy of CNET’s parent company suing filesharers while distributing the means to fileshare, or am i missing something?

    • Ophelia Millais

      He has pointed out CBS’s hypocrisy, yes, but AFAIK he didn’t come out and say that the lawsuit was filed for that reason. If he did, the court would likely toss the case. He’s actually not one of the plaintiffs, though; he’s just their ringleader, so he can probably say whatever he wants.

  • Qoaa

    Someone UPS this guy a few gallon bottles of bleach, then send his ass a link with instructions on how to kill himself by Amanda Todd.

    where’s the “cyber bullies” forcing a nitwit to An Hero at when it really matters…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1647811939 John Mosco

    I hope they (the Recording Industry) win,so they CAN just go bankrupt already!

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  • OmNomNomNom

    I wonder who are those artists that are supporting this stupid, idiot billionaire. Name ans shame those artists. Go to their websites and tell them how stupid they are for supporting that idiot Alki David.

  • Wallyaf

    I say get rid of computers. No computers, no illegal downloading. That should please Alki David!

  • Rum

    Just a frickin loony that Alki David

    Funny that he got sued by CBS for trademark infringment

    Anything for publicity, he’s no more a billionaire than the MPAA are a benevolent society

  • UraPhake

    We need to know who all of the recording “artists” are siding with Alki David in this bullshit.

    Start an Internet and real-world boycott against their music and anything else that they make their money from.

    Real scumbags, all of them!

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  • Windlasher

    “could be used”… I “could” use the hammer next to me to bash in my neighbors head, but it doesn’t mean I am going to.

    • Anyone

      I think we better arrest you, just to be safe

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  • Chronoss2008

    i hear we need to outlaw underwear cause someone used a pair in a crime strangling a fraking retarded music executive….

  • TheOiulkj

    This is stupid. Should we ban Windows as well just because Microsoft is aware of piracy taking place on their OS and promoting it’s sale anyways? Last time I checked, it wasn’t illegal to know things.

  • EatMyBark

    A billionaire saying he is hurting isn’t that precious. A bit torrent client is a useful tool he is just a greedy shit looking for a new angle of attack

  • tonyj

    What a freggin dumb ass!

  • piichan

    Checking his wikipedia entry, he got a restraining order by several tv studios for his VOD site FilmOn. He sued CBS but dropped it and targeted CBS interactive and this is what happened.

    Still stupid.

  • Huntzar

    jewish?

  • Goosmoo

    A billionaire who wants to remove bittorrent clients from cnet.

    And I thought *I* had issues….

  • http://twitter.com/Music4Free FreeMusic

    anonymous hack this billionaire douch

  • AnonE

    What’s wrong with you retards? 5 seconds of reserch would show you that he’s suing CBS ironically. You know the same CBS that sues people for downloading music and TV shows…

    • Ophelia Millais

      If it is an “ironic” or protest lawsuit, then it is also frivolous and illegal, and the judge should be notified right away of whatever evidence you have to show that the action is not being undertaken in good faith. I will do it myself if you have a source to point me to; I wasn’t able to find anything in 5 minutes of Googling.

  • Tigranspetrosian

    Alki is degenerate scum who should be jailed, tortured, and executed. Case closed.

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  • anonymouse.

    We should stop businesses from selling alcohol since people get drunk and kill people with their cars. WHAT? The shop owners KNOW that alcohol can be used for that. They should pay.

  • Joe Schmoe

    Alki David is a real jerk who inherited all his money from daddy, who was the real businessman that built the family empire. And where I come from “Alki” means alcoholic.

  • DerZ

    Yes, next lets shut down the US Mail service because its used to ship illegal items!

  • No

    Article reads like garbage, try and be less vehement against every slight on your comfort.

  • Guest

    Bittorrent clients are not illegal.

    File-sharing is not illegal.

    FUCK YOU CORPORATE AMERICA

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    Justin.tv allows broadcasters to play illegal movies all the time.

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