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BREIN Seizes Warez Servers, Owners Seize Them Back, May Sue

Last month, Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN targeted one of the Internet’s largest warez piracy topsites. The site, known as Swan, was taken down by hosting provider WorldStream and without judicial process BREIN seized its servers. Now the owners of the servers have retaliated by seizing them back and, in a delicious twist, may sue BREIN for breach of privacy and property rights.

In their on-going quest to rid the Internet of evil pirates, in January anti-piracy group BREIN made a particularly impressive announcement.

Hitting at the top of the so-called piracy pyramid, BREIN had taken down the Swan warez Scene topsite. Formerly known as ATS, Swan operated from several servers and reportedly carried more than 200 terabytes of data.

Although the site naturally had connections to a variety of Scene groups, the action taken by BREIN wasn’t aided by the police or a court so none of the individuals involved are facing legal action.

However, this lack of an official legal process rang a couple of loud alarm bells given developments in the case. BREIN boss Tim Kuik admitted that his organization had somehow acquired the Swan servers from hosting provider WorldStream, who in turn weren’t in a position to simply give other people’s equipment to a third party.

Nevertheless, both BREIN and WorldStream defended their positions, positions which have now come back to bite them.

It later transpired that the servers were owned by Alejandra Transporte SA, a small South American hosting provider that had nothing to do with the topsite and as an ISP had no knowledge of what its equipment was being used for.

Acting on behalf of Alejandra Transporte, lawyers Solv Advocaten in The Netherlands have been taking legal action to force BREIN to hand back their client’s equipment, and yesterday those measures bore fruit. Following authorization from the Court of Haarlem, bayliffs seized the servers back from BREIN.

“BREIN took the property of my client (8 high end servers) without any court order or warrant. Also, BREIN states to have gained access to the servers. On these servers [business and private material] is stored,” Milica Antic of Solv Advocaten told TorrentFreak.

“Since my client is a hosting provider, also content of third parties (the customers of my client) is on these servers. This is a breach of privacy, to say the least.”

WorldStream, the server host and a private company, handed BREIN the servers voluntarily. As noted by Milica Antic to us in conversation this morning, BREIN is also a private organization and has no special legal or investigative authority. Nevertheless, the pair reached an agreement and BREIN took the servers away whilst refusing to reveal their location.

At the time of the seizure, BREIN boss Tim Kuik told TorrentFreak that his organization “exerts the rights and civil enforcement remedies of copyright holders” which “includes seizure of servers used for infringements.”

Solv Advocaten see things very differently and are stating that by seizing the property of another without having permission from a judge, BREIN is guilty of vigilantism.

Earlier, Tim Kuik said that if the owner of the servers wanted them back they could step forward but pointed out that this may have its drawbacks – BREIN could seek to hold them liable for the activities that took place on the servers.

However, Solv Advocaten insist that as a hosting provider Alejandra Transporte does not know what content it hosts for its clients and is therefore not liable. Indeed, in this case BREIN themselves could become the hunted.

“If we commence further proceedings against BREIN it will be on basis of breach of property rights and breach of privacy,” Milica Antic concluded.

Update: “Two members of Dutch Parliament have asked the Minister of Justice questions about this matter,” Milica Antic has just informed TorrentFreak. “They are particularly concerned about the fact that BREIN has gained access to the servers on which the business and private administration of my client is stored.”

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  • Anonymous

    Fuck yeah!

    • Cheese

      Is that in reference to “Team America” policing the globe? – or in this case “Team Holland”

      • Phobophobia

        Check this out…
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entick_v_Carrington
        In England in 1765 the kings messengers (working for Lord Halifax) broke into a writers house and seized papers WITHOUT A LAWFUL WARRANT – meaning they did not have the backing of any law.
        It was found in court that – “the state may do nothing but that which is *expressly authorised by law*, while the individual may do anything but that which is forbidden by law.”
        Turns out this trial was the basis for the US 4th Amendment

      • Phobophobia

        Check this out…
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entick_v_Carrington
        In England in 1765 the kings messengers (working for Lord Halifax) broke into a writers house and seized papers WITHOUT A LAWFUL WARRANT – meaning they did not have the backing of any law.
        It was found in court that – “the state may do nothing but that which is *expressly authorised by law*, while the individual may do anything but that which is forbidden by law.”
        Turns out this trial was the basis for the US 4th Amendment

    • Cheese

      Is that in reference to “Team America” policing the globe? – or in this case “Team Holland”

    • This

      can ya hear that sound?

      ITS THE SOUND OF A BREIN CEO SCREAMING “NOOOOO”

      • Doodoobutter518

        “Do you feel that Randy?”
        “What’s that Mr. Lahey?”
        “The way the shit clings to the air.”

        Shitstorm, i sense shitstorm.

        • Lahey

          Shithawks, Randy.

        • ginga killa

          Big coagulated gravy covered hotdog bun eating bastards :P

  • Lime

    Nice job

  • Momo

    Kuik must really love being hated. I don’t think he’s missed even one opportunity to give TF a quote.

    On a different note, those BREIN lowlifes really need to lose some. If there’s a donate button for Swan’s legal defense, point me to it and I’ll use it!

    • Momo

      (or offense, as the case may be)

  • Jeroen

    I am not a believer, nor a follower of any church or house of worship. But what I do believe in is karma. And I think that Tim Kuik has some unpaid karma. Watch out Tim, as karma is coming for you!

    • Phobophobia

      “It ain’t a good look, when good karma land on ya” – Faithless

      • StevO

        My Karma ran over my Dogma…

  • http://twitter.com/j_b_t Julius B. Thyssen

    About time mister Kuik, with his delusions of grandeur, gets some serious blowbacks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    Hopefully someone will have the backbone to sue and press charges on these guys for grand theft.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiredcivicex Clayton Johnson

    Hopefully someone will have the backbone to sue and press charges on these guys for grand theft.

  • TheS4ndm4n

    BREIN seems to think they are police, judge and jury.
    about time some1 in politics noticed that

  • TheS4ndm4n

    BREIN seems to think they are police, judge and jury.
    about time some1 in politics noticed that

  • Herp

    Now is the time to sue for damages caused by this crime. Should be very easy to prove for the hosting provider.

    • sherboil

      They got them back.What damage was done?.

      • Boil Shergar

        The various businesses who shared these servers were adversely affected, and their private data could have been accessed without their authority. This is usually considered a crime in normal circumstances.

      • jack.ss

        They where not given, bayliffs seized the servers back from BREIN.

        I’ve read your trolling that people copying/sharing files should be punished as being thieves. Now your stand is that real stealing is OK?

        How much is the maafia paying you for being stupid?

        • Dragon

          Well with the level of stupid s/he has shown, I’m guessing that s/he is paying THEM for the privilege of being a moron.

        • Ninja

          Why are you surprised? Haven’t we seen that when justice is in MAFIAA’s side it’s good but when it’s against them it’s evil and must be changed?

          I can see them lobbying to get a law that gives them police status and powers to seize and arrest whoever they want. I mean, what else can you expect from those morons?

      • jack.ss

        They where not given, bayliffs seized the servers back from BREIN.

        I’ve read your trolling that people copying/sharing files should be punished as being thieves. Now your stand is that real stealing is OK?

        How much is the maafia paying you for being stupid?

  • Doobrey

    Some vigilantism against Uncle Tim will likely be forthcoming. Does anyone have his address?

    • Samineru

      Please do not do that, it will not help anyone.

      • Violated

        There are currently 1.4 million locals who would have issues with Tim Kruik.

        Rather a brave man if you ask me, or arrogant like Andrew Crossley was.

        Anyway nothing wrong with non-violent forms of protest. Tim should hear the results of his actions.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah he is making more and more enemies. If i had to service his car for the lights, i’d make sure the engine would break after a month. If i baked his bread it would have a nasty mold in it. That is what Andrew Crossley forgot, the ddos is just for attention. Did you enjoy the jizz in your burger?

  • Anon

    Ah, it happens we need no brain to think like brein. Story will continue and we will hunt brein down, ;-)

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  • MC

    Holy shit.

    When i first heard about this story i thought ‘BRIEN seizes topsite servers meant they seized it in conjunction with a police investigation. But they just went in and took them?

    Damn. Who even let brien in the goddamn datacenter then? Worldstream have ALOT of splaining to do over this.

    • Violated

      Not really. So BRIEN turn up by surprise and harass and scare some tech guy.

      It is natural for these copyright protection organizations to seize what they can. So “we’re taking them” leaves tech guy little choice.

      He was of course not clever to let them in but not everyone has anti-raid skills in their resume.

      Ideally he should have examined their seizure warrant and then called in the Police to charge them with trespass and attempted theft when they had none.

      Still as can be seen it is not all bad news when now BRIEN pay for their unlawful acts.

  • Debbie340

    @Timkuik, I miss You :)
    # You Wouldn’t Steal A Server

    • Violated

      Would BRIEN be aware of this FACT anti-theft video that inflicts UK DVDs?

      They are of course stupid videos and only annoy the family who purchases the legal DVDs. Then anyone who does copy the DVD can delete the file first. As I usually do when I totally despise FACT and remove all existance of them from my DVD titles.

      Anyway…

      You would not steal servers.
      You would not destroy 1.4 million Usenet accounts.

      … but BRIEN do.

      • Ninja

        BREIN: Do what I say but don’t do what I do.
        Typical.

  • Anonymous

    Tim Kuik
    “”
    Your organization “exerts the rights and civil enforcement remedies of copyright holders” which “includes seizure of servers used for infringements.”

    “”

    WHO… gave you and your orginisation the right to steal under false pretense ?
    Millions , maybe even Billions of people Hate your orginisations actions and ideology.

    P.S…. We filesharers only COPY… we don’t steal.

    BREIN …
    They lie , cheat , steal.. …An actuality. … This case proving , this is so !

    Money. . . . VERSUS . . . .The people

    BREIN. . . . VERSUS . . . .The people

    Record profits all round….. Makes BREiN even more hungry for a bigger slice of the cake.

    BREiN ? How many people will you screw over for cash ?

  • Null

    Hopefully the ISP also presses for damages with the loss of that equipment on their network (loss of profits, damages to reputation etc) with those breaches of privacy and security on behalf of BRIEN (and if the ISP has their own software and/or personal data upon them, a breach of copyright infringement ironically =P ).

    Hopefully they don’t go soft on them, I want to see this ISP sue BRIEN up the wazoo and give them their fair share of legal justice (what goes around…)

  • Sketch

    Epic lulz…….

  • maxi

    WorldStream should be boycotted for working on a voluntary basis with the copyright mafia.

  • Glh5

    HELL YEAH! Justice after all.

  • Ferenc
    • jack.ss

      Rofl – Epic :D

    • guest

      That just made my day ;)

    • guest

      That just made my day ;)

    • Ninja

      ROFLMAO!! EPIC!!!

  • Bowec

    I hope justice will lock him into prison

  • Tesco Own Mandelson

    Ten members of Dutch Parliament are making sure no harm comes to Brein, Pathe’s freaking out, what do we pay you for buying new laws, or making us look like greedy corporate parasites

  • Whatever

    How does Brein, the MAFIAA and troll supporters called this…. wait for it….

    “STEALING IS STEALING”

    Brein’s crimes extend far further than the lawyer wants to sue for. There is conspiracy to steal between the two organizations, the stealing itself, invading privacy, racketeering, breaching computer security, lost costs for business for taking the servers down, acting as if they are law enforment and given time there are more crimes to find. And all that lawyer can think of is 2 crimes ?

    The first thing he should have done is going to the police to report the theft. A second thing should be for the ISP to advise every individual business on the server to sue Brein themselves.

    However, brein will still be above the law. Does anyone believe kuik or anyone else at brein goes to prison for it like any other ordinary thief ? Will they personally have to pay any huge fine ? No. Only a token fine or warning will probably be issued against Brein as an organization.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly, and what about all the data like names of members that they made copies of? Are they going to destroy that or do they have some private backup of that? You can’r un-seize digital data…

      Well i am happy this is being cleared up. I really lost my hopes when i read that private organisations were seizing servers without the police or a judge. Brein needs an leech to help them stick to the law.

    • Ninja

      Let us hope the judicial system isn’t corrupted to the point they will overlook their own laws.

      Still, even if they don’t sue for every possible reason it’s still good to see things going awfully wrong with BREIN. I do hope this puts a brake into their criminal behavior.

  • Colin

    And is anyone taking legal action against Worldstream since they apparently connived in BREIN’s theft of the servers?

    With a bit of luck this could be the beginning of a VERY bad time for Kuik and his fellow MAFIOSI. In fact, I’d like to think it could be an Andrew Crossley moment for them.

  • Cujo

    payback is a bitch lol

  • Maroan

    Oh please, sue the shit of of BREIN, that would REALLY make my day…

    • Maroan

      “Out of”… sorry… :-)

  • Dezsoe

    Someone must stop these brainless brein bitches. Maybe the clients sue them until they die. :)
    Oh and I hope there will be some followup on this.

  • Anonymous

    lol, in BREINS face! too funny dude! Too funny.

    • Nllvf

      say that to your spam site

  • ????? ???????

    ?????? ?????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? ???? ??????? ???? ? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????, ?????? ???????? ??? ????? ???????.

    • Anonymous

      Russian to English translation

      The irony is that these assholes should and does stand trial for theft against which they supposedly are fighting.

      • ????? ???????

        Better version: The irony is that these assholes must face a trial for theft, against what they are allegedly fighting.

        I don’t really want to comment in English as I am not citizen of the U$.

        • Linus

          Jag är inte heller amerikansk medborgare..
          But english is pretty much the only language the vast majority of the world understand, which makes it the best choice for international communication.
          Besides, the USA didn’t invent english, England did, and then they spread it all around the world. ;)

        • Dragon

          England may have invented it but we pimped that sh*t. :P

        • Linus

          Well, so did Ireland, Scotland, South Africa and Australia, among others, mate. ;)
          All of them have distinct dialects of the same language, and I doubt _they_ would agree that the US has a monopoly on pimping/evolving/devolving/improving/destroying(?) the English language. ;)
          I could be wrong though, as I’m not a citizen of any of those countries either..
          That’s the nice part of not having English as first language, we can just pick and choose from all of the dialects. :P

        • ????? ???????

          Irish and Scots have their own speech. South Africa and Australia are merely former(?) British colonies.

        • Linus

          Hmm, seems like the thread cannot be deeper than this, so I’ll have to reply to myself in order to reply to you. :)

          “Irish and Scots have their own speech. South Africa and Australia are merely former(?) British colonies.”

          Well, so is the USA. ;)

        • Ninja

          Linus, your last comment was epic.

        • ????? ???????

          I would very much like to start learning Swedish as soon as I achieve decency in German. So in a year or two I hope to be able to answer to you in Swedish without a translator. No necessity to use the third language and therefore be independent of one single nation is one of the reasons of my passion for learning different foreign speech.

          BTW Esperanto and its descendants, NOT English, are best suited for international communication.

        • Linus

          Yea I’d very much like to learn Russian aswell, plus a handful of other languages.
          I used to be able to speak a little French (however I’ve forgotten most now), and I can understand a bit of German. I’d love to learn Spanish, Italian and Japanese aswell.
          However, most people around the world only learn at most two or three languages and one of those languages is usually English.

          Esperanto may in theory be easier to learn than English, but in reality not many people even know of it’s existence and even less are able to speak or understand it. It’s simply way to underused to be a realistic alternative for international communication. We’d have to forcefeed people with it for decades before it would be a realistic alternative.

          With the vast majority of the world already able to atleast understand English, it’s still the best choice and it’s rapidly improving. Sorry. ;)

        • DocGerbil100

          It would be nice if there were more “global” languages, besides English, but being pragmatic, I think we’re largely stuck with it for now. I wonder if it would be possible to develop a version of English (or any other language, for that matter) that was easier to learn and understand? I would like to speak another language, but I’ve tried learning other languages, including Esperanto, but all that ever sticks for me is the headache. :(

        • Anonymous

          @DocGerbil100
          It really would not matter what language it is. As long as we all agree that this is the second language for all people in the world. It would be nice if we all could agree on something.

        • Ninja

          Actually, English is a pretty simple language when compared with French for instance. I mean, French has verbal tenses I can’t even imagine lol… And a different way to write and pronounce each of them. English has 3 verb tenses that can be combined with each other to form a variety of others, the structures are simple and you can use the verb “to get” to replace almost everything (last time I chacked you could give it over 115 meanings).

          Easier than that only Japanese where the verb tense depends solely on the context (as far as I understand, correct me if not, I won’t be mad at you). If only we didn’t have to be experts at painting art pieces just to write a note to ask a girl out…

        • Ninja

          Actually, English is a pretty simple language when compared with French for instance. I mean, French has verbal tenses I can’t even imagine lol… And a different way to write and pronounce each of them. English has 3 verb tenses that can be combined with each other to form a variety of others, the structures are simple and you can use the verb “to get” to replace almost everything (last time I chacked you could give it over 115 meanings).

          Easier than that only Japanese where the verb tense depends solely on the context (as far as I understand, correct me if not, I won’t be mad at you). If only we didn’t have to be experts at painting art pieces just to write a note to ask a girl out…

        • Anonymous

          Ja maar je vergeet dat dit een Engelse website is. Und die Artikel in Englischer Sprache. Når siden er på et andet sprog, havde jeg givet mit svar på det pågældende sprog. So that is the difference.

        • ????? ???????

          Ich weiss dass die Artikel in Englische Sprache ist. Aber mussen wir in Englisch kommentieren nicht.

        • Anonymous

          Ja maar je vergeet dat dit een Engelse website is. Und die Artikel in Englischer Sprache. Når siden er på et andet sprog, havde jeg givet mit svar på det pågældende sprog. So that is the difference.

        • Ninja

          Man, doesn’t matter. Even if Hitler made English the official language of Germany the idiom itself is not to blame for what its speakers do. Or would you stop using Russian if Russian Govt did something outrageous against whoever?
          The important thing is we can communicate using English and point out to the whole world that the US is a bunch of greedy douchebags (pardon me the good Americans out there, I know you exist, I’ve met a few of you) and that BREIN is a criminal organization that should die already. It is a good thing that there is this channel to reproduce and distribute such important information.

  • Guest

    “BREIN took the property of my client (8 high end servers) without any court order or warrant”

    Yeah. And that’s called STEALING. Brein are THIEVES.
    Sue their asses off guys =)

  • Gae

    Interesting how it is becoming more and more commmon to ignore, bypass or break various laws in order to protect copyright.

  • Foff

    Tim must have the biggest cork stuck you know where. This guy needs to go. I hope he gets his butt sued off along with the stupid data center that even let his goons anywhere near the servers.

  • Violated

    I am sure BRIEN are being closely watched by Anonymous at this time being one of the most hostile copyright protection organizations around who often act beyond the scope of the law.

    Doing their own private raid without approval of the Police or Courts would be one of several examples.

    • TaterSalad

      And yet…Anonymous has never stolen someone else’s private property.

      I think physically taking 8 high-end servers and DDOSing a website is like comparing apples to jetpacks.

      • Violated

        That is not quite true. Anonymous being a hacking and activist organization has stolen private information and files before.

        HBGary is their latest example and where they broke into their server and virtually raped it. Files deleted, 68000 emails stolen and published, then phone lines disconnected.

        My point was that Anonymous punish wrongdoing. This BREIN case is not worthy of their activism but they have attacked BREIN before and are sure to pay attention to what they do next.

        • Anonymous

          As long as the police keep Brein in check and make sure they stick to the law there is no need for collective individual actions by the people of the net.

        • TaterSalad

          You see, Anonymous punishes what they FEEL is wrongdoing. I’m sure that most people with half a brain can see that stealing someone’s PHYSICAL HARDWARE, is a fucklot worse than downloading a few songs.

          But then, yes, they’ll hack into a server and steal someone’s private information. Sometimes for fun, sometimes to make a point. When done to make a point, a lot of people support their actions.

          Your definition of wrongdoing, I’m afraid, isn’t the Internet’s definition.

      • Violated

        That is not quite true. Anonymous being a hacking and activist organization has stolen private information and files before.

        HBGary is their latest example and where they broke into their server and virtually raped it. Files deleted, 68000 emails stolen and published, then phone lines disconnected.

        My point was that Anonymous punish wrongdoing. This BREIN case is not worthy of their activism but they have attacked BREIN before and are sure to pay attention to what they do next.

  • http://disqus.com/ Rob8urcakes

    Aaaaahahahahahahah this is an EPIC FAIL guys. One that makes me think Andrew Crossley and his ACS:Flaw may be involved in the running of these BREIN vigilante’s.

    What other excuse would they have for thinking they can simply rip your business equipment out the wall without due process. It’s as if you strolled into a shopping mall with permission of the mall owner and stole the stock of a shop without letting the shop owner know in advance.

    No doubt BREIN took the erroneous analogy that filesharers are like people who walk into a video store and takes all the DVD’s without paying, so thought they’d actually do that themselves.

    AAAaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahah, the difference is we leave the stock behind untouched and still for sale – BREIN didn’t.

    EPIC-effin-FAIL guys.

  • Fg

    DOOO EEETTT NOW!!!!!

    rid the world of the evil ANTI-pirates!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/techlooser Tech Looser

    hahah .. talk about funny .. cant beleive how stupid BREIN was within the entire process. :
    ) stupid stupid stupid

    http://techlooser.com

  • Guest

    Kuik is a criminal and should go to prison for property thief.

    This is not the first time it did this. he stole property for is own benefit before several time. Unless he go to prison he will continue to do this.

  • Guest

    I think we should pay a visit to the BREIN head quarter with a moving truck and seize everything even the toilet paper. Then we do it again with Kuik home.

    To all the thieves: if you burglarize Kuik home you will be vindicated as heros!

    Go for it! Thank you!

    • Maroan

      Oh dear, Guest, you didnt mean that did you?
      That would be STEALING!! ;-)

  • Guest

    I think we should pay a visit to the BREIN head quarter with a moving truck and seize everything even the toilet paper. Then we do it again with Kuik home.

    To all the thieves: if you burglarize Kuik home you will be vindicated as heros!

    Go for it! Thank you!

  • http://www.ilovethewalkingdead.com Ilovethewalkingdead

    LMAO
    Wow, what an ignoramus.

  • Kropotkin

    You wouldn’t steal a handbag? You wouldn’t a car? …. blabla Downloading bad blabla some more.

    But stealing servers is just fine. ^^

  • Colorado

    It’s just a matter of time before those wackjobs sink into oblivion. Right now they have laws that kinda work for them but in a few years, the new politicians will come from the internet and also the file sharers generation. When file sharers will be the one who write the laws, the world will be a much better place.

  • Fugasmic

    I hate to burst bubbles but the chances of this even seeing court is extremely slim to none. Alejandra Transporte is a business and Brein are likely to offer a settlement before it even gets close to court. Alejandra Transporte will do what most other businesses would do especially if it’s a smaller business, they will take the settlement rather than take the chance at incurring what will likely be large legal costs.

    • lulz

      Wrong. They would get back the legal costs from BREIN through the court. A few people could really own on BREIN of they wanted to.

      • Fugasmic

        That is assuming they won the case, but there is no guarantee of that happening. Remember when everyone thought TPB would win their case. Regardless though, if Brein approached them with a large enough settlement figure, why would they even take the chance of going to court other than to prove a point when they would have no need to do so. If Brein don’t offer any compensation then I can very well see them finding themselves in court, but my guess is losing that case is not the kind of precedent Brein will be looking to set.

        • Violated

          The court case for damages would NOT be about what is on these servers.

          It would be about that BREIN unlawfully took hardware that did not belong to them causing the owner seriously high cost to replace this hardware and the lost business resulting from this downtime.

          They may also go with slander and libel if these servers did not contain the stated topsite.

    • ndmushroom

      That was also my first thought. Since the issue has already reached the Dutch parliament, I have reasons to believe Alejandra transporte won’t just be approached by BREIN offering a settlement, but from other interested parties offering them support if they take this to court. In fact, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Dutch pirate party doing just that. ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/Mathew30 Mathew Lisett

    im confused, it says that the servers were taken by brien and then taken back by the owners. but the article then states

    “Earlier, Tim Kuik said that if the owner of the servers wanted them back they could step forward but pointed out that this may have its drawbacks – BREIN could seek to hold them liable for the activities that took place on the servers.”

    so do they still have the servers.

    plus i take it bein havent a clue on the court sytem (unless its different from the uk), with them saying that “BREIN could seek to hold them liable for the activities that took place on the servers” surely thats prety much holding the servers hostage and even risking being laughed at in the court since the servers were raided illegally even if as they state they have the industryies best interest at heart.

    or have their legal team suddenly forgotten to tell them this minor problem

    • Violated

      The matter is that BREIN had no legal right to take the servers. Since they have no legal right to hold on to them either then the owner had a court approve his right to seize his property back.

      So BREIN got raided and these stolen servers were recovered.

      The extra good news is that BREIN cannot use any information found on these servers in future court cases when you cant use stolen information obtained during your own crime. They cannot also publish any personal information either without invasion of privacy.

    • ISP RAM 2011

      Once BREIN was made aware of WHO the owners of the servers were, They offered to VOLUNTARILY return the servers if the owners agreed NOT to operate a TopSite and IF BREIN could delete ALL the data off the servers.

      Considering the owners were unaware of the illegal content, and BREIN never notified the topsite owner, the actual owners of the server, the ISP were the servers were held and BREIN decided to STEAL the servers with Worldstreams help. The owner of the Servers did not feel like signing paperwork to get their STOLEN servers back.

      The court seized the servers from BREIN and now has possession of them. It will be several weeks or maybe longer until the owners have them.

      With regards to never seeing the light of day in a court room.

      Digging around, Alejandra Transporte seems to have had upwards of $220,000,000 million in revenue in 2009 (2010 is not posted yet). Also it would appear one or more of the owners of the company has political ties to the Costa Rican government.

      ** Please note I am an ex investor in Alejandra Transporte (extremely happy with my return). I can tell you from personal experience the owners are super humble. Having said that, I can almost certainly say that IF the data was delete from the servers already or BREIN fails to make a public apology. Things might get a LOT more difficult for BREIN.

      • Violated

        Are you totally sure that the court currently have these servers? I have to ask when it would be an unusual thing to happen. The only reason for them not to be back with the owner would be if they did an independent check for damages first. That or to make a list of everyone affected.

        Otherwise court seizure order are implemented by bailiffs often with the help of an expert to identify the right hardware.

        It is not part of common BREIN policy to cause damage or to delete files. One early act would normally be to get the HDDs independently cloned so that they have their own copy to play with and to ensure zero change to the original.

        You would be quite correct that BREIN in almost all cases would agree to only return your property if they can get rid of the item of offense. It is always best to reject their offer when they would not even make the offer had they not concluded that it was soon time to return them anyway.

        I can see how this happened when accepting BREIN’s offer is like admitting guilt of wrongdoing. And since they would have said we will ONLY return your property if you AGREE to this then so can a person wrongly believe that BREIN would not just give up and return them anyway.

        So the court order to seize them back was done to highlight that BREIN has no right to hold on to them and no voice over what the owner does with his various client’s data. Nice when you should not give them an inch and to fight back hard.

      • Violated

        Are you totally sure that the court currently have these servers? I have to ask when it would be an unusual thing to happen. The only reason for them not to be back with the owner would be if they did an independent check for damages first. That or to make a list of everyone affected.

        Otherwise court seizure order are implemented by bailiffs often with the help of an expert to identify the right hardware.

        It is not part of common BREIN policy to cause damage or to delete files. One early act would normally be to get the HDDs independently cloned so that they have their own copy to play with and to ensure zero change to the original.

        You would be quite correct that BREIN in almost all cases would agree to only return your property if they can get rid of the item of offense. It is always best to reject their offer when they would not even make the offer had they not concluded that it was soon time to return them anyway.

        I can see how this happened when accepting BREIN’s offer is like admitting guilt of wrongdoing. And since they would have said we will ONLY return your property if you AGREE to this then so can a person wrongly believe that BREIN would not just give up and return them anyway.

        So the court order to seize them back was done to highlight that BREIN has no right to hold on to them and no voice over what the owner does with his various client’s data. Nice when you should not give them an inch and to fight back hard.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    Looks like someone…

    *puts on shades*

    Just got served.

    • Anonymous

      YEEAAAH! (Silhouette of city at sunset in the background)

  • ROLF

    YES, NICE1 !!

    more of that :)

  • Bfs

    Sue BREIN for 50 trillion dollars.

    • Anonymous

      *puts pinky to mouth and strokes cat*

  • NeonGen

    Vigilantism? Give me a break, in Holland we call this by the name it gets called in every other country in the world. THEFT. Or would we say, GRAND THEFT. BREIN is nothing but a bunch of thieves, if they can’t get your money, they will steal your money maker.

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