British Police Confirm Six OiNK Users Arrested
Written by enigmax on June 02, 2008British Police have just confirmed that several users of BitTorrent site OiNK were arrested recently. TorrentFreak broke the news last Friday after sitting on the story for a while but the mainstream press have been holding back over the weekend, waiting for confirmation. Just seconds ago, confirmation came.
Last week TorrentFreak reported that Cleveland Police had arrested a user of OiNK, who was questioned and later released on police bail.
We also discovered that other people had been arrested and deduced from our sources that this police action was taken against alleged pre-release uploaders – those that share before the retail date.
A few minutes ago in an email to TorrentFreak, Cleveland Police confirmed that a total of six individuals were arrested, all in connection with the uploading of pre-release music.
Three of the arrests were made on Friday 23rd May and three more on Wednesday 28th May. The arrested individuals are five men aged between 19 and 33, and a 28-year-old woman.
Suspects were taken to their local police station for questioning and required to provide DNA samples and fingerprints. According to our sources, they were arrested on suspicion of “Conspiracy to Defraud the Music Industry” although this hasn’t yet been confirmed by the police.
We can confirm that at least two of the arrests are for the alleged uploading of a single album. All have been bailed pending further enquiries.
Update: The Register contacted the BPI who gave this statement:
The BPI and IFPI worked with the police in order to close down the OiNK tracker site last October. The illegal online distribution of music, particularly pre-release, is hugely damaging, and as OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time we moved to shut it down. We provided the information to assist this investigation, but this is now a police matter and we are unable to comment further at this stage.
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121 Responses
yikes….
Pre-releasers are the hunted. If people would just wait until the street dates, none of this would be happening.
Yeah, I heard they are solely responsible for the downfall of Brittneys career and made that dude cry again on youtube, I say lynch em.
Yeh… “dude”. Well, it is becoming clear that they are zeroing in on the leaks. Perhaps the other sites should temporarily ban those uploads?
You don’t have to raid trackers in order to bust “prereleasers”.
Early participation in such a release will get you the original releasers’ IP.
Combined with data retention you’ll have the personal information of the ip’s owner at that particular time.
But when users register on trackers with a tracable email address it is much, much easier.
Then you just raid their homes and search their harddrives. Easy done, because “prereleasing a music album” is a crime much worse than murder, rape and such minor offenses …
Difficult to say without hard facts.
anyone else not remember wtf they uploaded ?
I’ll be waiting by window with my six shooter and shotgun! they’ll NEVER TAKE ME BACK!!! NEVER!
Ask them to find the people who robbed your home, and they never even call you back!
but find a bunch of anonymous people on the internet, and they mobilize a task force and give it a name.
Even though Oink members were spread around the world, the reason why the arrests were concentrated in the USA is because those prostitutes in Washington (what we call Senators and Congressman) have been rubberstamping laws written by the movie and music industry – and by the stroke of a pen, a formerly harmless action like filesharing gets turned into a serious felony akin to murder.
strangely enough it’s been that long since oink was taken down I can’t remember my username or password? sorry officers all I know is it was a free to join community site which was basically a music index of what members had on their own computers. Money never changed hands, there were clear labels and tags highlighting the fact that you’re not to download anything if you don’t own the original hard copy or digital rights to the music yourself.
?: you retard, no oink arrests have been made in the US, read the title…
once prereleases have been taken out theyll start on the rest slowly and try and destroy it all, i guess the governments outside the US get the choice to wear lube when doing what corperate US says to do, because no matter what we are going to get screwed anyway in some way, Australia for one has had so many screwed up lawsuits from US Companys trying to claim what they can, example of one i just found http://www.saveouraussieicon.com/email_campaign1.html
This should be a wakeup call to torrent-site admins to revise their procedure for identifying and tracking individual users.
Currently Bittorrent uses IP addresses to identify clients, and so do torrent site admins. A far better and more secure way to identify users is by encrypted userhash (public/private key) like eMule does. That way, users can be positively identified without their IP having to be stored on the server — since the dangerous but widespread practice of IP storage is thereby offering up a windfall of evidence to be used by police to convict members.
When will the Bittorrent and BT site developers get smart and stop using IP addresses for identification?
Good thing NIN didn’t share any of their pre-releases. Who knows maybe the freaking cops would have arrested them as well. This Oink raid is trash.
this is only for UK people right? …right?
“Pre-releasers are the hunted. If people would just wait until the street dates, none of this would be happening”
Wrong. Today this is the excuse that they use. Tomorrow using BT for any activities at all may be illegal. Nobody is safe from prosecution; maybe not today, but someday soon they’ll be coming for you for an offense that doesn’t exist, like “conspiracy to defraud the music industry”. What about “conspiracy to defraud the taxpayer”? Or “conspiracy to spread misinformation” – those are two ‘crimes’ the British police are certainly guilty of…
wow #11 you dont have to be a f**ing troll. fricking D**khead maybe he saw cleveland and thought ohio.
What now, there are women on the Internets uploading musics?
16: Unfortunately is right. If they can whip up some BS excuse charge for pre-releasers, theres nothing stopping them from whipping up a new batch to to stick labels on other people to ‘legally’ take them down as well.
If this ‘conspiracy to defraud the music industry’ charge sticks and works.. they’ll know they have a goldmine of made-up charges at there fingertips and it’ll get ALOT worse.
all companies selling mp3 players, cd players, cd/dvd burning drives, computers, internet services, radios, cell phones with music playing capabilities, and anything else that allows music to be heard should be arrested aswell. im very disappointed in the universe. actually the music industry should be arrested for conspiracy to defraud the musicians, if only the musicians would say something…
what’s next, random searches for mp3 players to see if you DRM’ed your mp3z?
Well i stop buying music since the raid … more people should do that.
I’m only ripping and upping promo’s now
Oh noes! We are soooo scared! Please dont arrest me! :rofl:
F*ng morons could not catch a criminal if he was drunk and in handcuffs.
The only ones whom get get caught are the ones stupid enough to be caught.
Be safe, be anonymous, use virtual servers, never upload from home.
Peace out!
i think we should carefully take a breath and look how this is evolving.
first oh hai we are just after the site that hosts them, then oh hai we are just after the isps, oh hai we are just after the uploaders..whos next?
net neutrality ftw .. if your interested in that(sorry for spam but is it ok since its a noncommerical site?if not remove it) ipower.ning.com there are some youtube videos about them to, search for ipower, or athenewins =)
someone should stop them Now, is this how the internet is eveloping?
stop them now, we are more then they are
Am I the only one a little bit perplexed by what the police are doing with regards to these arrests? The alleged crimes that are being commited are in the digital world, so for what purpose are DNA & fingerprints being taken?
what a loss…
@ #13
Yeah cause emule is 100% safe huh? There have been more lawsuits/fines/blah from the use of emule/lamewire that every other protocol combined. Obfuscation isnt worth a shit when the donkey server(s) you’re using is/are ownd.
Wouldn’t their time be better spent finding out where the pre-release files are coming from within the music industry, rather than the torrent folk.
Whos to say these torrent folk are not from ‘the industry’?
If they are, surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to post it themselves?
try and come get me…What a police state we live in, go solve a murder morons.
DNA samples and fingerprints? Bloody hell, where are we going from here, this is just unbelievable …
With regard to the DNA and Fingerprints, this is standard practice for any arrest in the UK.
Is there any word on how they were found out ?
did OiNK lie about no ip’s being stored on snatches etc ?
I wonder if your IP showing up as part of a seeding/leeching swarm is enough to incriminate you? Knowing the way this is heading, just googling a torrent search is going to get you banged up at this rate….
@35: If you’re right, Google will soon be sued for linking
It’s ironic that the BPI is chasing after sharers of pre-releases, since record companies dish out far too many free copies to their coked-up friends in the media. Journalists and other record labels never have to pay for promos (paid for out of the artist’s royalties natch), but when real fans give free promotion to new records, the police arrest them! If the record companies can afford to give out free records to people, they shouldn’t complain when those people share them.
so “the BPI and IFPI worked with the police in order to close down the OiNK tracker site”
OK in that case:
How about the public work with http://www.bpiradar.com/ in order to make sure not to spend ANY penny/cent from now one so the BPI and IFPI will be out of money in the (hopefully as fast as possible comming) future?!
Spit everyone in the face you see that helps fund these parasites and educate him that what he does is bad for society!
These terrorists must be stopped.
Just don’t buy anymore of the product they produce and don’t support the artists that have contracts with them!
Do not upload anything that shows up red on BPI Radar but upload stuff from artists that don’t have the millions advertising money to get known so people can find alternatives to the parasitic products and support those that are worth to be supported!
We all know the biggest source of “pre-release” music is the mp3 scene. And from there it would take some trickling down before it hit OiNK. Pre-release albums were often hitting 0-day trackers, public trackers and OiNK all within minutes.
The funny thing about this all is that OiNK’s quality rules often prevented pre-released albums that were of sub-par quality from being posted to the tracker for weeks or months until a better rip could be uploaded. I’m sure everyone remembers the regularly updated popular transcodes list on the upload page that consisted primarily of pre-release albums that were not allowed on OiNK.
This is all bullshit. They’re going after OiNK because it was a private community and that it’s exclusivity proves a conspiracy charge.
@25
Fingerprints and DNA are being taken these days as a form of punishment.
Don’t believe me? If you’re ever unlucky enough to find yourself in the same situation, refuse to have the samples taken…
Their attitude is that they have this power over you; refuse and you will be forced… its essentially rape of your identity.
don’t want to get caught…
downloading only pornography is the future…
“IFPI”
GO TO HELL!!!
Hey dumbass, its not Cleveland USA – its UK
Learn to map.
#41 solved life :D
hey 43, learn to sentence
show me police reports or i’m still calling this whole thing bullshit. TF FTL
What needs to happen is for us to unify under some organization because unity is key, so that we can pool our resources together so that we can have a political impact, advocate our cause, and have legal defense.
Only then can we ever hope to change the laws.
We need to change the laws, because getting around the laws is not enough, because we need not only the ability to file-share, but also respect for file-sharing. If we believe that our activity to be of any goodness, then it is completely unacceptable for people to disrespect it and call it a criminal activity. If we are to have any respect at all, then we must have it respected firstly by the law.
The only real reason why the RIAA etc. are having dominance is because they are organized and we are not.
It is not because of money. If money was always absolute power, then slavery would still be around, and the tobacco industry would still be reigning supreme.
The moral fervor which actuates us to organized action is what wins in the end. We have the moral upper hand as the true appreciators of culture over those greedy people who are unjustly trying to destroy true culture and replace it with something of no value and only for money.
Therefore, we need to get organized now, and change the laws. Respectability is key: we cannot possibly have any respect when the law criminalizes it. We can do so, and we must.
Unfortunately, I am not in a position in my life to start such a thing, either in the U.S. or U.K. Someone else could do it, I suppose, and they should, because such a thing is desperately needed for human rights.
The fact is plain and simple: we should not try to get around the laws; rather, we should change them.
You may think that this is feeble, but it is not. Public statements are never feeble.
We should arrange massive angry protests.
#48, we’re never going to be able to change the laws while we have the muppets in power (Brown et al)
Until the people of Britain decide that they can do it better themselves, we’re going to be stuck with the ignorant i’m-alright-jack retards in the commons.
@50
Wrong answer.
Brown et al may be muppets to corporations, but they are more muppets to the public opinion. Let us raise a storm of public opinion to get them to change the laws.
Hmm it would appear that the vast number of those who only downloaded a little from oink have nothing to worry about. The police are only interested in the pre-releasers who tend to indeed be part of criminal gangs and in fact aren’t after those who simply downloaded a little. At least thats the way it looks at the moment.
You may think that it is hopeless to change the laws because of the influence of corporations. Yet this was done once, due to the determination of a fanatical public to overcome the tyranny of monopolistic corporations. This was the progressive era of 1900-1920. Before the progressive era, the corporations freely made monopolies and the courts favored the trusts over the labor unions. Yet, the determination of the muckrakers, the sensationalists, and determined individuals was able to change all of that. There is no impossibility for a determined public to right a wrong caused by corporations.
@52
What do you consider “a little”?
52 is trying to rest easier.
Fact is that there were probably 100-200 users that were in the TB range in both upload and download. I have always thought that they, along with the pre-releasers, would be the likely targets. Some people had 20 TB in upload!
Ha, criminal gangs? At least two of them uploaded *ONE* album each that was pre-release, hardly a criminal empire to take down the BPI now is it. What a fkin joke this is.
hugely damaging? that people actually WANT new music is hugely damaging? warped, demented way of looking at it — most businesses would be thrilled there was pent-up demand for their products…
Usually I am not one for crude comments but… the MPAA and IFPI should blow it out of asses. These are obviously ploys to make examples of people. They won’t work.
Look, it was a risk you took uploading stuff on Oink. You knew you were taking the risk. I never uploaded anything, simply because of this. (Don’t get all technical, I uploaded lots of data by seeding music other people introduced to Oink, but I was never listed as the one who uploaded the album.) I wanted to, to get a ratio boost if nothing else, but didn’t want to risk it.
I still think mapping an IP and timestamp to an individual is weak and easily challenged. Get someone to show how easily WEP is broken, and how easily weak WPA passwords are broken, and how far away someone can be with a powerful wifi card and still get onto your network. Bring up all the cases where even the IP seemed to be wrong (RIAA lawsuits to people without Internet access.)
Now, if the police ask for your Oink password, and you somehow know that off the top of your head (which means you don’t use very strong passwords), then they can match that to the hash in the database and confirm that they have the right person. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why they’re asking. I can’t think of any other rationale for it.
“Look, it was a risk you took uploading stuff on Oink.”
It was a risk simply being a member there. I uploaded a bunch of OOP albums that only a few people snatched. At least they were thankful as they would have never heard those records otherwise.
@52 and others
know the old “first they went after… but I did nothing because i was no …”?
That might get true whis time again so don’t feel safe jsut because you were only a ,,, instead.
Pity the music-buying public doesn’t have the will to boycott the music industry for long enough for it to run out of money for suing people with, coz i’m pretty sure that’s the only thing that’ll stop them chasing the litigation route.
“Ask them to find the people who robbed your home, and they never even call you back!
but find a bunch of anonymous people on the internet, and they mobilize a task force and give it a name.”
You have a very good point there. I would LOVE to get this kind of action were my home to be broken into….. but I probably wouldn’t.
In fact, they probably would NEVER catch the person who broke into my home… speaking from the one time when I was in high school and a person tried to break in, but couldn’t fit through the window.
Maybe torrent sites shouldn’t log IPs.
Talk about common sense.
Actually, I am in high school. I think that it would be important for someone who has a higher social standing and has the time to be able to commit should do this.
….so like,is a little bit of Proxy, like BT Guard gonna help save the `poms at all??
Unless they can get ISP logs that specify the files uploaded they have nothing.
And they can’t get that because ISP’s don’t have that information.
People need to get better lawyers.
What I resent most of all about this is the complete waste of british taxpayers money on what should be a civil law issue not criminal law. We have problems with youth knife crime running riot and the Police arsing around wasting time, resource and money on behalf of a commercial interest group.
Does anyone fancy setting up a petition to the PM complaining about the waste of taxpayers money on trivial matters.
@ #52: They’re trying to bring up a criminal case against people who committed a civil offense. There was no criminal element at work on OiNK. There was no selling of pre-release material.
You can somewhat see it coming together. The police accuse Alan of profiting from the music uploaded by asking for donations. Some early reports had the police stating that the site required payment to join, which was entirely inaccurate. Now they’re arresting and interviewing people who have uploaded pre-release albums and trying to link them personally to Alan to try and show some sort of tangible, real criminal conspiracy between OiNK administration and pre-release uploaders and they will no doubt try to tie it all together with the donation money. It’s a ridiculous fishing expedition is what it is.
Lets put OiNK’s pre-release EMPIRE into perspective for a second…
On a zero day scene tracker I belong to, there has been over 30gb of pre-release scene MP3s uploaded since June 1st. That’s an average of over 10gb a day of pre-release/0-day music. Let’s be generous and say the average V2 scene album is 100mb. That’s about 300 pre-release albums, or 100 albums per day, since June 1st. OiNK never had that much output of pre-release material. Infact, most pre-releases on OiNK were snatched first from a scene tracker. Anything pre-released on OiNK that did not originate from the scene was automatically suspected as a transcode until someone could prove otherwise with a spectral. OiNK kept a transcode blacklist on the upload page that included a laundry list of popular pre-release albums that were not allowed on the site until they were available in a higher quality rip (yet were widely available on public trackers and p2p networks).
There is no logic whatsoever that could make me, or any other ex-OiNKer, believe that OiNK was the end-all, be-all of pre-released albums. Most of the time you could find it elsewhere faster, and even months earlier than it would appear on OiNK if you didn’t mind 128kbps mp3s.
It’s insulting to see police resources wasted on these things when it should be a civil case. Cops already whine about how there’s too much crime and not enough people to fight it, then they go and take bribes from Big Music to go raid a bunch of small-time pirates.
If they want to go after pirates, how about they go arrest all the goddamned retards selling burnt CDs on street corners ? Those people, collectively, do more damage to the industry than any single torrent uploader.
The Terrible us government needs to be cleansed of all the old fucks still making decisions. because of their actions americans are being perceived as these power hungry fucks that think they can police the world…
If I were a british taxpayer, I would be fucking pissed about this waste of money.
“OiNK was the biggest source for pre-releases at the time”
what a joke, why ruin regular music lovers lives. if they are gonna go for someone shouldnt they start at the really top of the chain and not a shitty torrent site?
“When they come for you, who will there be left to speak?”
The torrent sites need to unite. If they pledged a significant amount of their revenue and resources into developing or helping with next-gen filesharing software, they could stop this from happening. We need more research into a system that doesn’t allow for logging of everyone’s details.
Didn’t the dude from Oink say that when he was busted, the users had nothing to worry about because the user records, etc were all “safe”. Guess not…
@65
Yes, I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite.
As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.
everything is pre released…music, movies, apps, games…
most of you are falling pray to the medias take on pre-released offerings online just like everyone reading tomorrows paper will..
so that dvdrip you get before the official tuesday release, or that song you download before it hits shelves..yah youve been there, and prob downloaded it…
damn where would the fun be if everything was released online the same as your local best buy…and yes it completely sucks for those arrested, maybe they should of used a box to upload from, or some other means than their home connection. best of luck to them, but enough with this pre release hype
I remember reading some time ago, that the EU courts had stated that downloading is not illegal within the EU, as long as you either delete or buy what you download.
In other words, It has to be proven beyond all doubt that you downloaded and have kept/distributed the copyrighted product/s which you have no rights to.
In this case, Music.
Pre-release music, is I think an exception, as this data ie the CD contents, Must have been physically stolen from somewhere in the first place.
This is why I think the Police are involved.
However if they come for my password, They’ll be disappointed as it was so long ago now, I just can’t remember it pmslmao@ the bpi :P
well i agree torrent sites should log IPs.
@20 That is exactly right. Those that deal in playing and recording equipment are more at fault and responsible than those who use it.
This is in line with one of our new laws which states it is illegal to leave your keys in your parked car, as it’s an inducement to theft. Of course the thieves get away with it. Criminalizing the innocent has become the way of our screwed up world, since criminals either get off light or scot free
good is bad, bad is good
What needs to happen is for us to unify under some organization because unity is key, so that we can pool our resources together so that we can have a political impact, advocate our cause, and have legal defense.
Only then can we ever hope to change the laws.
We need to change the laws, because getting around the laws is not enough, because we need not only the ability to file-share, but also respect for file-sharing. If we believe that our activity to be of any goodness, then it is completely unacceptable for people to disrespect it and call it a criminal activity. If we are to have any respect at all, then we must have it respected firstly by the law.
The only real reason why the RIAA etc. are having dominance is because they are organized and we are not.
It is not because of money. If money was always absolute power, then slavery would still be around, and the tobacco industry would still be reigning supreme.
The moral fervor which actuates us to organized action is what wins in the end. We have the moral upper hand as the true appreciators of culture over those greedy people who are unjustly trying to destroy true culture and replace it with something of no value and only for money.
Therefore, we need to get organized now, and change the laws. Respectability is key: we cannot possibly have any respect when the law criminalizes it. We can do so, and we must.
The fact is plain and simple: we should not try to get around the laws; rather, we should change them.
You may think that it is hopeless to change the laws because of the influence of corporations. Yet this was done once, due to the determination of a fanatical public to overcome the tyranny of monopolistic corporations. This was the progressive era of 1900-1920. Before the progressive era, the corporations freely made monopolies and the courts favored the trusts over the labor unions. Yet, the determination of the muckrakers, the sensationalists, and determined individuals was able to change all of that. There is no impossibility for a determined public to right a wrong caused by corporations.
I am looking for a proxy here, for someone will act as a proxy for setting up a legal defense/advocacy group in which culture appreciators can unite, because I am not in a position in my life for me to be able to such a thing. Since I am only in high school, I would rather have a proxy with higher social standing and more available time to do this. Someone should be this proxy, because such a thing is desperately needed for human rights.
As I am very isolated from people in general, I can only go here to find someone who could try to set up this legal defense/advocacy group for me.
On a side note, you may think that this is feeble, but it is not. Public statements are never feeble: we should arrange massive angry protests.
How would we change the laws? What influence do we have? Well we the consumer could have much influence if we banded together in agreement, true.
But we don’t have the obscene wealth of the cartels. We just made them that way I guess. Whoever has the gold makes the rules, because they pay the most taxes. Not to mention bribes or campaign contributions.
^^ We don’t think u are feeble, but intelligent and concerned. However, I don’t believe that protests ever accomplished anything useful.
The system is going down anyway, and nothing can stop it. Corruption is never upbuilding. We may lose everything we have, but if we can escape with our lives, w will do well.
“Am I the only one a little bit perplexed by what the police are doing with regards to these arrests? The alleged crimes that are being committed are in the digital world, so for what purpose are DNA & fingerprints being taken?”
Because it is now the law in Britain.
If you get arrested they take your DNA and prints.
I notice no charges have been laid.
Knowing the incompetence of the British police,we’re all safe for a few years yet.
6 people outta how many users??? yeah, they’ve really made a huge dent and have me shaking in my boots. HA.
THEY STILL HAVEN’T EVEN CHARGED OiNK, WHAT A JOKEEEEEEEEEEE
Hopefully there won’t be any Norwegian police doing anything about ex-OiNK users ;>
@ Yoshino -
You’re preaching to the choir bud… It’s not like we don’t understand what has to be done, there are just too many people like you out there who aren’t willing to take the initiative to get out there and do it. And I don’t mean that in a rude way, I’m just being blunt.
Hell, I’M one of those people. It’s just the way things work nowadays… Society as a whole is full of complacent people who will put up with anything their government throws at them. Let’s face it, if most of the world’s population is too lazy/indifferent to use a different type of lightbulb that could greatly reduce the effect of global warming (a problem which will eventually lead to THE EXTINCTION OF MANKIND AS WE KNOW IT) then why do you think people would rally to support file-sharing and the ideals that come with it?
I feel your pain, I do. And it’s a great idea in theory… But a theory it is doomed to remain. Call it a defeatist attitude, but revolutions are hard to come by. People have to have priorities, and fighting for a lost cause isn’t very high up on my list.
This is pretty interesting, it’ll be fun to watch this all play out =3
I wonder whats going to happen July 1st, because if anything is to happen or not, that will probably set the law on what is to be done with ex-OiNKs
It is so fucking funny that they say all the music ORIGINATED on Oink, luls.
What fucking noobs!
Its nice that the police are spending their time on such important things, no wonder this god forsaken country is going down the pan : /
We’ve already won the piracy war people, it’s just a question of time.
Assuming 1 AxxO movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:
5 years (2012) – We’ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!
10 years (2017) – We’ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies and 10.3 MILLION songs
15 years (2022) – We’ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! and 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)
20 years (2027) – We’ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES and 590 MILLION MP3s!
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GAME *UCKING OVER!
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By 2030, we’ll have every movie and song in the world stored on our freakin’ wrist watches!
LOL @simple math!
For some reason I REALLY liked your post m8, i didnt read the whole of the 90 or so comments but am glad I read yours.
Again, our prayers with the poor souls who are facing this, but lets just not pray and sit back and wait… talk about it, blog about it, get the truth out like this:
http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2008/06/03/oink-arrests-acta-beyond/
They can control the media, but they can never control our right to blog and talk about it and get the word out. Not everyone knows what they are doing is illegal, education is the key.
Peace my brothers.
@87
I’m sure I’ll get to doing this once I have an education and a job, but since I am in high school right now, I would much rather have someone else do it before me so that it could be done earlier, but if that does not happen before I am able to, I will take up the burden of doing it myself.
LIKE WOA these 6 were the stupidest of all the OINK users and were selling what they also uploaded and deserve to get all they get.
Don’t sell it and they will have 50 less reasons to bother you.
Rember the drink or die raids a group that had 150 members had ONLY 6 arrests after hundreds a computers were seized and tons a servers. HAHA this is proof its the big tax dollars at work just making your purcahses that people do make more expensive, think how expensive it is to pay media defender to have 9 gigabit DDoS setup.
YA you want a war media defender you just bought into one know.
(at 9) it is hardly harmless. It costs jobs and will in the future limit the amount of releases/type of material released. File sharing in particular will hurt the indy film industry which relies not on wide scale cinema release but on home media sales. we will be left with only big ‘cinema experience’ action films and movies of similar ilk.
it’s stealing guys
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7432757.stm
Yeah…our police rock…..
They wouldnt be able to find a dick in a porno movie but somehow found some random people on the net.
@95
Piss off asshat
One does have to wonder why BPI, IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and others can feel relatively safe going to to work every day at known office locations. In a just world these vermin should be constantly looking over their shoulder and operating from secret locations where they can’t easily be found. Yet they are well known publicly and obviously feel that they will not have to pay a price for their persecution of others. One doesn’t win a battle by bending the knee or wringing your hands together and crying about what a bunch of meanies they are. You beat someone playing hardball by taking it to them twice as hard as they bring it to you.
Or……
You can just drop trou, bend over, and pray they’ll be gentle when it’s your turn to be f*cked by them.
…in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence. Also, the does not necessarily have to proved that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.
More interesting however, will be the challenge against the definiton of ‘conspiracy’ if/when this ever sees a court-room. To prove the conspiracy exists, the prosecution has to show that more than 1 participant (since you cannot conspire with yourself!) conspired together to either perform an act or planned to perform an act at some point in the future and in doing so, broke the law.
I should imagine that it could be argued that users who are unknown to each other in a swarm, except by an IP address, cannot necessarily conspire together in any tangible manner and certainly OiNK itself could not be accused of furthering the alleged conspiracy without tangible evidence that it did so.
Advice to others who may think they are likely to be involved in this or other cases in future: SAY NOTHING if you are interviewed under caution.
It’s common to be interviewed by the police with a view towards them gathering the final informational pieces of the puzzle from you yourself and there’s nothing that looks better to the prosecution when you take the witness box than a file full of transcripts from your interview that drop you right in the shit with no paddle.
You have the right to silence for a damn good reason and this applies equally in the UK and elsewhere.
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Para 1 should read “…in the UK being charged (and convicted successfully) with Conspiracy to defraud IS treated as a criminal offence and not a civil offence. Also, the prosecution does not necessarily have to prove that monetary gain was the motive, indeed it is possible to be found guilty of this offence without any monies having changed hands whatsoever.”
Well i stop buying music since the raid … more people should do that.
I’m only ripping and upping promo’s now at
http://what.cd/index.php
http://www.waffles.fm
Ah well I admitted it already, so I will be rotting in jail soon for sharing one album. Thanks for all the fish….
biggest sources for pre releases? LOL
Cleveland police? Did these people break local or state laws? If not, then why don’t these cops enforce federal immigration laws against illegals?
“we will not tolerate as such, the implicit sharing of those that seek to distribute copyrighted materials thereof by way of download,bit torrent or worse still carboot sale”
we hereby declare that all recorded ips will be traced and correlated by actions therewith hence forth.
in other words:
we’re coming to get our mp3’s back. you have been warned.
in more words:
do not attempt to throw your dvd’s,harddrives in the river as all waterways have been completely secured.
come out with your hands up!and hand over ANY mp3 player to the designated officer in your area.
you WILL face the full wrath of the law and in most cases serve a long custodial sentence at the discression of the lord chief justice himself.
the days of “free mp3″ are OVER !
and it starts RIGHT NOW!
@25, unfortunately, for some time now, the British Police can and indeed do take DNA samples and fingerprints of anyone arrested for even the most minor of offences.
Literally, for ANY arrestable offence, you can expect to have your DNA sample taken. It’s one of the most frightening examples of civil-rights abuses that have been steadily making their way into UK law for the past 20 years or so. And the labour governement seems to have taken them to new heights.
I haven’t been arrested for years, but I fear for what would happen if and when I ever am in future, ‘cos I know I won’t be complying, though I also understand it’s pretty much useless even to try resisting. Friends of mine have told stories of being manhandled and forcibly having their DNA samples taken.
all politicians are blood-sucking scum.
police just serve the political class and the corporate elite.
when you get attacked or stabbed in the street the police don’t give a damn.
They only take action if somebody annoys or steps on the toes of the corporate elite.
This world is run by criminal gangs that impose their sham “democracy” and their laws to “criminalize” the mass of the population.
The REAL criminals are the so called “politicians” and the “lawyers”.
They are scum.
All pre-releasers are not necessarily uploading “leaked” albums. On more than one occasion, when I have pre-ordered CDs from major online retailers, they have arrived anything up to 4 days before the official release date, so that some of those arrested might have unwittingly uploaded to Oink, having done the same.
Re the police arrests, does anyone know whether they took away the computers of those involved?— this might indicate how seriously the police are taking the matter.
Re the numbers of police required to make the arrests, I assume that this was because of the danger involved in approaching a dangerous suspect,who might be armed with a loaded CD!
One final point–if the powers-that-be do not proceed against those arrested, will the way be open to the “victims” to take legal action for distress, job loss, etc. (one at least was very publicly arrested at their place of work)on the basis that these were obviously obviously “trumped-up” charges—time to call Injury Lawyers4u, methinks!
@#21: You made my day.
Borrowing a few ones and zeros is much worse than taking a human life.
Right?
Fear sells newspapers. Fear is sexy. Fear makes it a lot easier to prosecute people. It makes it
easier to marginalise people. Fear makes it easier to oppress people. It’s a Band Aid approach
to deeper social problems and issues. That’s the disinformation of the media.
In addition, responsibility for uploading/downloading cannot rest with one group unless criminal law allows it to do so. IMO, the problem here is that criminal justice cannot coincide with social and moral justice…
@109:
The Crown reserves the right to bring charges/proceed to prosecution against any UK citizen in a criminal case without fear of counter-claim by any person in the event of a failed case/dropped charges so no, they will have no legal recourse.
The artist and the label creates and markets their goods as they see fit, no? And they release only if they wish to as part of a carefully timed campaign. That’s their right. You’d enjoy the same right if you were creating the music. Can anyone here explain why an online pirate has the right to take this copyrighted music and spread it around the network without proper authorization?
Make your OWN music and plan your OWN release dates if you want to, but keep your hands off what doesn’t (ever) belong to you. What’s complicated about this? What WRONG with you fucking people?
I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven’t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get 42 days!
I know this is a bit of a cliche but haven’t the pigs got anything better to do? Watch out when they get their 42 days detention without trial!
Wow, are the chaps from AXJ and Dr. Ron Paul studying this scam by the police?
Hell, the internet is free for everyone. If they don’t want it published don’t release it on the web. Dr. Ron Paul is everywhere and watching the police closely. AXJ
106 is either for real – as in one who works for the police or mafiaa
or – bored and should find a new movie to download
So what actually happened to these people? What’s the full story?
Paranoia helps no one. Divide and conquer has always been the way of the state.
momo #21 check out this. This is one of the provisions covered in ACTA being discussed at the G8
Border searches
Newspaper reports indicate that the proposed agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or “ripped” music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[2][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_G8_summit
Intellectual property rights controversy
See more: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement[4]
A leaked document[5] details provisions of a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. If adopted, a treaty of this form would impose a strong, top-down enforcement regime imposing new cooperation requirements upon ISPs, including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, as well as measures restricting the use of online privacy tools. The proposal also specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime. Talking points from the European Commission, the Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and others have published selected passages ostensibly from this document; refer to http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/ for useful links.
How’s that for losing your rights if it came true.
Well if CD’s were actually available in music stores besides crappy bands like My Chemical Romance and U2, then less people who do illegal downloads.
It’s nearly impossible to find metal in stores (or anything past rap or generic rock), and if you do it’s $20 a CD. Who has that kind of money; who pays for these?
Really, it’s hard to even find movie soundtracks to popular films. I looked in several stores for the Resident Evil; Extinction soundtrack which probably wasn’t being sold anywhere because it actually had good music from such artists like Nightwish or Collide (an industrial rock band).
They only go after people for music downloads because of how greedy they are. Artists get like $1 a CD unless they are an indepedent label which they only get like $5 then. Yet both the industry and platimum (1 million) selling artists complain and wine like they don’t sell anything.
My advice; move to Europe and listen to actually good bands like Nightwish, Epica, After Forever, Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Indica, Within Temptation, Xandria, Delain, Tarja Turenen, and many more.
Also, for older music, Meatloaf, Def Leppard, Rolling Stones, and also more.
Screw this american label garbage. I doubt Nuclear Blast Records has ever thought of suing anybody, and I’m sure they’ve got loads of illegel downloads from there artists because they’re CD’s aren’t worldwide available, even when there supposed to be.
And really, don’t host sharing files, or use crappy websites and no one’s going to know. Or use a seperate computer.
I’m not saying downloading illegal music is right, but sometimes there isn’t a choice. God forbid we don’t want to listen to computer created paris hilton songs and rather listen to Annette Olzon, a woman who can actually sing (and now Nightwish’s new singer since early 2007).
Even Amazon wants to rip me off for Xandria’s greatest hits, $40 freakin bucks. FOr the money the artists get, this CD should be no more than $10 and should be available in all stores in the place of Qwen Stefani’s crappy new album.
Enough said. America isn’t so great anyway; the south is way better though. At least a great female singer like Carrie Underwood came from there, or In This Moment did from California. Some hope is left, but really, go to Europe; the weather isn’t any worse than America (all weather sucks), and people aren’t so stupid. And the music isn’t so generic either.
Ha Ha…I hope I get a reply from someone else American (I am too but I’m going to be gone as soon as I can) who is annoyed by this comment.
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