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But Does It Copy Macrovision, I Mean, Run Linux?

Two decades ago, old VCRs were in disproportionately high demand. Newer ones were unable to copy movies as they were distorted by a special signal. Hollywood is fighting for this war on equipment owners to carry over to general-purpose computers. Will they succeed?

When we copied movies two decades ago, the very oldest video cassette recorders (VCRs) were in high demand.

If you’re wondering just how old these VCRs were, think “coal-powered”. The reason was a curious mechanism preventing the copying of movies, and to understand it, we need to look a little bit into how the technology worked in that era.

Images on a TV were displayed using a single electron beam racing very fast across a chemically coated screen that produced color when hit by the beam. It raced first from left to right, and in horizontal lines, from top to bottom, painting an image on the fluorescent coating. Then, the beam returned back to top-left and started painting the next image in the movie. The beam painted about 50 such images a second, and the act of returning back to top-left is called a “vertical retrace”. You still see that term in some games, as game screen updates took place during the vertical retrace to avoid flickering.

When VCRs were recording movies to tape, they would try to adapt the recording of the magnetic signal to the strength of the incoming electric signal, just like most microphones do today. Some Hollywood pundits discovered, that if they threw in insanely high signal levels in the short timespan where vertical retraces happened in the movie, the TVs would not care, but VCRs would be unable to record anything at all, thrown completely off by the disruptive decoy signals. This scheme was called “Macrovision”; whether that was the company, the name of the product, or something else is not important.

Thus, Hollywood had created a technical ecosystem where you could just play their media, but not re-record it. In this day and age, very old VCRs – those before the adaptive input arrived – were in high demand, as they wouldn’t care about the decoy signals but record everything received verbatim, just like the TV would display everything verbatim. An old VCR was required to copy movies.

It is obvious that Hollywood and their ilk is trying to repeat this trick on the general-purpose computer: attempting to put it under their control by evermore complex Digital Restriction Mechanisms. But unlike the VCR, where everything was in hardware, the owner of the general-purpose computer gets to choose how signals are interpreted on their own computer, and can instruct it to disregard anything they don’t like. Therefore, today’s version of Macrovision is a joke.

Enter so-called “trusted computing”, which is Orwellspeak for “untrustable computer owners”. There has been a gradual push for motherboards that refuse to bootstrap any operating system other than pre-approved ones, creating a chain of locking out the owner of the equipment from the ability to run any code they like. So far, this has always been hogwash and its “security” as brittle as nail clippings in an industrial shredder, showing the incompetence of Hollywood in a world alien to them – but still, the movement is there.

The most worrying push to date is that Microsoft requires computer motherboards to have that kind of lockdown to get the certification for Windows 8. They go even further on boards with ARM-based architecture: on such devices, Microsoft requires that you can’t even change what operating systems are allowed to run.

Let me say that once again: hardware is now being sold that doesn’t allow the owner to run any code they like on it. We’ve had software trying that kind of trick for a long time (and it’s ridiculously easy to circumvent in most cases), but hardware disallowing that is a new trick from the copyright industry.

I run Ubuntu on all my systems, which is a flavor of GNU/Linux. I like that. I like the principle that property rights extend to me running any code I want on my own hardware. It feels basic and natural, not to say obvious and unquestionable.

It used to be that the question “Does it run Linux?” referred to ability, as in, asking whether the hardware was physically capable of running GNU/Linux.

We may come to enter an era where the question instead refers to Digital Restriction Mechanisms, as in, is the hardware locked out from running operating systems such as GNU/Linux that actually honor property rights?

Or do we have to go the same way as we did in the Macrovision era, where old hardware had a premium value for innovation and use because it wasn’t bogged down by copyright industry bullshit?

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  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Wrong on this. The Microsoft schemes say that an UNTRUSTED bootloader will not be able to run on Windows 8 Certified systems.

    Ubuntu and others have already gotten past this by making a VERIFIABLE bootloader.

    This was not meant to ‘freeze out pirates’, but instead to prevent viruses from fucking with some things in the operating systems.

    Remember my positions in the past on this: I am a ‘proud non-commercial pirate’ and have been honest and open about that.

    This article however is a bunch of FUD.

    • http://twitter.com/Falkvinge Falkvinge

      I can’t see how your initial statement (an “untrusted bootloader” won’t be able to run on Windows 8 Certified motherboards) contradicts anything I say in the article.

      Additionally, note that ARM motherboards are required to lock out the user from changing the bootloader at all.

      • Danny

        “Additionally, note that ARM motherboards are required to lock out the user from changing the bootloader at all.”

        You can hear them chanting ‘kill android’ along with crapple all the way from Europe.

        • Guest

          Debian, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Xubuntu
          Arch Linux, Manjaro

          … so many great Linux distros.

        • Guest

          You can hear them chanting ‘kill android’ along with crapple all the way from Europe.

          Europe? ain’t they the land of competition? and regularly launch strong anti trust cases against monopolies? You probably mean you can hear them in Europe all the way from the USA.

        • Danny

          @Guest

          I am a European. So I can hear them from Europe chanting in the USA where M$ and Crapple are based.

      • michael

        So do iPhones, iPads & most android devices. Locking down the bootloader on arm devices is nothing new, we’re all used to it. The idea Secure Boot for a desktop sounds interesting to me, as assuming we have control over it (like a on/off switch in the bios) we could make certain that no hacker has modified our boot code/kernel with something malicious. The only danger really is if the manufacturers don’t give us control in which case this would be a massive threat & endanger free software considerably

        • Danny

          “The only danger really is if the manufacturers don’t give us control in which case this would be a massive threat & endanger free software considerably”

          Lenovo have already demonstrated failing to implement secure boot properly.

          The problem is it will take extra effort to do it well and most motherboard manufacturers simply do the minimum to run windows and that’s it.

        • Masau Fuku

          We need more than just the ability to turn it on/off – we need control of the lists themselves in order for this to be viable without crippling other OSs – especially open source ones such as Linux.

          And as Danny said, the manufacturers can’t be trusted much more than M$ can.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “assuming we have control over it (like a on/off switch in the bios)…”

          This, right there, is what worries me.

          Kindly recall the Sony PS3 and imagine how much control you as end-user will have if MS gains hardware manufacturers on board here.

          Personally I think there is no way most motherboard manufacturers are going to go on board – Everyone buying their high-end boards – the enthusiasts – would go berserk.

          But it IS worrying.

        • Lee

          “Locking down the bootloader on arm devices is nothing new, we’re all used to it.”

          And you think this is a good thing?

        • Anonymous

          > assuming we have control over it (like a on/off switch in the bios)

          This is a timebomb of a problem waiting to go off, anyone remember the PS3 spectacle? the OTHER OS feature? that was taken from us in the dead of night by a software ‘upgrade’ ?

          Don’t let them do this to PCs, or we will end up back in the 1990s again but with an AOL style walled garden that we cannot escape from unless we resort to hacking the motherboard directly, e.g The JTAG hack for Xbox 360.

    • Guest

      This is how it starts. Then with Windows 9, they’ll say that even non-ARM hardware (i.e. desktop and laptop PCs) must force “Secure Boot” in hardware without a disable switch. Then not long after that, either we’ll start to see non-Microsoft OSes have strange problems preventing them from booting (subtle flaws intentionally baked in by the hardware manufacturers at Microsoft’s request), or Microsoft will demand that OEMs allow the Microsoft key and ONLY the Microsoft key to work with “Secure Boot”.

      • Guest

        Once they implement that to the fullest, Europe would smack them so silly they would hemorrhaging money left right and center to the EU courts for anti trust. If they still go ahead with this, then it’s not a question of if but when they get fined into bankruptcy.

      • PenzancePeer

        You assume M$ will be around that long, the way Balmer’s running things, they’ll never make it to Win10 :)

    • Monkeysarentdonkeys

      Supply and demand will definitly kick in though, with IT pros being able to but fully capable motherboards. I wouldn’t be too fussed (actually glad) if mainstream pre-made computers had it locked down. Less viruses to remove!

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Here’s the problem though – less viruses? On a computer forced to run windows?

        There may come a time when windows is as secure as Linux or Apple, but that day is not yet even dreamt of.

        And so what it really means is that for the average user, he will be more vulnerable than ever, since even if the kind IT-savvy relative wanted to install a user-friendly Ubuntu on the new laptop, it’ll be too much hassle to do so.

        • michael

          The same level of security could also be achieved by having a mechanism to disable secureboot (or self-sign) in bios, This way the less tech-savy people will have their secure windows boot environment while anyone looking to explore say linux, needs only to disable secureboot

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          @michael

          Not even close. Sure, if it was ONLY self-sign which was the problem, then yes.

          Even then, windows has massive security gaps which just do not exist in *nix environments.

        • Anonymous

          That is the problem, Windows has more security holes than a kid’s mouth that lives in a candy store has cavities. Yet we expect to somehow say that Windows is somehow more secure, I don’t think so!

    • Danny

      “This was not meant to ‘freeze out pirates’, but instead to prevent viruses from fucking with some things in the operating systems.”

      Actually it is to stop people running a boot loader that tricks windows into thinking its activated. The blocking Linux thing is just gravy to them and it has nothing to do with viruses!

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        One guess as to whether this “feature” will be exploited or not.

        Anyone who remembers the old intel push for “trusted computing” which Rick is mentioning will also remember full well what the control was meant to accomplish.

        There’s no reason to believe the same idea comes along twice while the underlying goals change.

      • polsenpol

        SAY WHAT ??

        Are you saying that micr0$0ft are tired of their 90%
        market-share on ‘desktop’ OS’s ???

      • ScrewEwe2

        I’ve never had any problems running multi boot systems comprised of bootlegged versions or flavors of M$ Windows eXPerience or W7 & Ubuntu, because I’ve never had any problems finding cracked W7 bootloaders or Windows Genuine Advatage cracks. If you build it, they will come, and crack it. After reading the Wiki article referenced in an earlier post, this is just another reason to avoid W8 for the time being. Finally, Macrovision alway’s has been a joke.

    • Guest

      Hardware manufacturers have to include a set of signatures with their motherboard, if your signature is not included then your OS wont boot. A single point of failure, with isn’t good for the open-source community.

      • Anonymous

        So, when a new version of a bootloader comes out, you need to somehow update the keyvault on the trusted boot chip? Will this be easy?

    • Masau Fuku

      But who defines what is an “untrusted” bootloader? Microsoft, the UEFI and OEMs. The question is – will they abuse their ability to white list bootloaders to prevent competitors of M$ (i.e. Linux) from being put on the machines. History says yes. Microsoft has quite a history of monopolistic practices. While the company might claim that they only want to prevent malware, and that the user has complete control over whether it is enabled or now…how long will that last? Especially since the article (from MSDN) made it sound as though OEMs have control over whether the “feature” is actually disable-able, as well as control of the lists themselves.

      To be honest, the excuse that it’s just to prevent harmful malware smells a lot like the RIAA/MPAA’s claims that censorship controls and tracking on the internet are necessary to keep CP off the internet. Or the US’s claims that it’s warrantless wiretapping and other illegal surveillance techniques will “only” be used on suspected terrorists.

      • cgimusic

        It does seem like bullshit to me. If all Microsoft and the OEMs wanted to do was prevent viruses then why wouldn’t they let you self sign bootloaders and then load your key onto the motherboard pre-boot?

        • ScrewEwe2

          I don’t understand what any of this has to do with viruses, other than maybe one mans virus is another mans bootloader.

        • Masau Fuku

          @ScrewEwe2 Well…a compromised bootloader can load extra code in the background that installs malware on the windows OS, without windows (or the user) knowing it’s happening.

          Of course, that isn’t justification for this crap anymore than CP is justification for censoring file sharing sites.

        • Anonymous

          “why wouldn’t they let you self sign bootloaders and then load your key onto the motherboard pre-boot?”

          Because you could then run a cracked Windows bootloader.

      • ScrewEwe2

        Well, if you aren’t a terrorist or criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right :-)

        Wrong!

    • Asfdasd

      you are retarded and completely missed the point. you should be able to run whatever code you want. microsoft is not implementing a security measure. it’s trying to tie people down to their system. most phones and tablets do it aswell. it really has nothing to do with security at all, and it has all to do with the fact that they want control. if it was a security measure all microsoft would have to do is make the motherboard manufacturers encrypt the bootloader and then provide a randomly generated key to the user. that way you are “more secure” (which bootloader security is something that is so unimportant in almost every situation anyways) and you are allowing people to run their own code. we are probably like 5 years out from only being able to run signed code on all of our computers if we keep going this way. all pc’s are going to become exactly like consoles. you can only do and run what you’re allowed to run. the mobile space is already like this, look up rooting for phones and custom firmware for consoles. this stuff is anything but fud.

      linux rocks and freedom won’t go down without a fight. refuse to buy this shit. vote with your dollar.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      My problem is that you would assign a firmware handler for certifying the bootloader without allowing the actual consumer any choice to begin with. See the problem here?

      On top of which, in order to ensure certificates are valid and to recognize new valid certificates as they are issued, the actual motherboard must be able to call up a 3rd party in order to transmit and receive system information.

      I’d like to take your spin on this, I really would. But I remember the Sony rootkit and the huge anti-Microsoft lawsuit.

      I also remember how SONY launched the PS3 with similar hardware capabilities where one of the first things they did was issue command to the firmware which disabled it’s ability to recognize a non-Sony OS (which actually was a marketed selling point of the PS3).

      If MS gains the ability to ensure the hardware can only run a CERTIFIED OS, then that is a disaster the second one of the guys at Redmond decides to make like Sony did in days of recent past.

      So no, Kidwell, it’s not FUD, far from it. We’ve got at least one cheat sheet in hand here. And I’m surprised you don’t recall what led to the Sony PS3 hack.

    • Guest

      Microsoft sucks period.

    • Skokie

      I dont know how often I have head this argument, but it always comes out and its always based on what is written, not what is the reality. We now have UEFI systems and in reality its next to impossible to dual boot on the ones I have tried.

      Windows 7 amd64 installer crashes if you try to pre-partition EFI properly and then run the installer (i.e. install linux first). Windows 8 installer crashes as well! Convenient? Not fixed in 3 years of releases this one!!! This means you cannot install linux and windows together. You can try to install Linux last, but windows (deliberately?) screws the partition tables so that you need to “fix” them first. After fixing,you can install linux, but windows will refuse to boot. Grub seems immature here.

      On HP laptop I was fighting with, it was not possible to “go into the bios and add a new OS”. It was not possible to turn UEFI off. It did however randomly turn off if windows installer crashed (which it does if you try and install it with pre-made partitions).

      So lets simply talk reality and stop regurgitating the nicely written text… I spent two days trying every possible trick… I scrolled more internet than porn addict and got nowhere..

      Im tired of it..

      EFI sucks… Microsoft policy is all self interest… Industry lobby is all self interest… Judge someone by their actions not words… The reality is very different my friend.

    • CL

      Then you fail to understand what M$ means when they say this technology will increase security.

      First I’ll explain what was insecure: $. Microsoft ‘lost’ money on win vista and 7, because they’re so trivial to pirate with a boot loader. So, how have m$ addressed the issue? by preventing unauthorised boot loaders in the boot chain, in the name of security… security of course is their term for securing their income. They are of course entitled to increase their own product security. What has happened though is that many of you have been sold short. You ‘own’ products that you don’t have they keys to, much like ‘owning’ DRM wrapped music, or ‘owning’ pdf type books from Amazon, who can and have wiped peoples collection at will.

      For humanities sake, I do hope people will wake up, feel the thorns, leeches and drink a real coffee, soon, or they’ll be owning you.

      Please stop supporting these hideous companies.

    • enjoy your icomputer

      WTF.
      Implying that this is purely for malicious software protection. Now that is FUD.

      INB4 DELL has locked down UEFI as standard.
      INB4 ALL LAPTOPS suddenly use ARM chips( for eg…. “fast boot”).

  • Eric

    Hopefully this will be the end of the M$ monopoly.

    • Weye

      Maybe or maybe not, but we must accept this is bad news.

    • Anyone

      steam for linux is coming
      if that is a success and more games follow, there will be no reason to use windows anymore

      • Edward Blackbeard Thatch

        if it does work out, i hope they make older titles available. there are plenty of old(er) games that i would like to be able to play on linux and not be tied to m$ for my gaming.

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  • Quadrophenia

    Not sure about the VCR thing. I’ve used modern VCRs to make copies, I’ve even turned DVD rentals into VHS tapes. My dad has a collection of hundreds of movies he copied using 2 90s-era VCRs, one to play the movie and the other recording while it plays.

    I remember going through the Rocko’s Modern Life tapes and spending hours ripping them onto the computer (at the time, no complete Rocko torrent or official release existed), turning them into reasonable-size files, and just when I’m getting ready to upload…. some other guy posted the whole thing already! I think that was the moment I became the jaded individual that I am today.

    Ah, good memories.

    • Danny

      Its the AGC that macrovision screws up.
      You normally end up with a dark output when recording.

      If you don’t end up with a dark recording you have a shitty VCR that will output poor colour intensity when recording from TV with low signal. You of course may call that a good VCR that doesn’t suffer from macrovision DRM.

      • Guest

        Beating Macrovision had nothing to do with the age of the VCR. All VHS machines were suseptable to this DRM and the most common way of defeating it was a box that cleaned up the signal. It was put between the video out of the player and the video in of the recorder. What the author may be thinking of is Beta recorders. Although they were fast becoming obsolent they were partially immune to Macrovision. Instead of causing a total blank picture the DRM made the video get slightly brighter. When the DRM (which was only on certain parts of the tape) was present, the Beta copy gave the viewer a picture similar to the room lights being turned on and off. Watchable but still annoying. It is unlikely that many tapers bought special machines to get around the DRM, I know I didnt. The stabilizer box cost about 39 bucks and worked on early dvd players too. Real pirates used time-base correctors that could cost around a thousand bucks then. A few cheapskates would cam the movie directly from the monitor with obvious low quality results.

        • me

          “All VHS machines were suseptable to this DRM and the most common way of defeating it was a box that cleaned up the signal.”

          I still have two VCRs here, a lot (1,400 or so) of self-recorded VHS tapes that I’m slowly digitizing at a rate of a couple per week, and, for the rare oddball commercial VHS tapes with Macrovision, I’m using a special cable that contains circuitry to clean up the signal and strip that crap out. Works perfectly. In other words, Macrovision has always been a joke.

      • Danny

        @Guest

        Not sure what you are arguing with me about.

        Macrovision effectively flodded the AGC during blanking so that the signal amplification was low during the actual video frames which gives you a dark image. It was usually modulated as a dark image is not nearly as annoying as one that constantly goes light and dark (we know how the MPAA like to be annoying).

        I could build something very easily to break Macrovision which I’m sure many people did.

      • Quadrophenia

        I’m talking about VCRs new enough to not have “tracking” dials, as well as VCR/DVD hybrid boxes. Fairly modern devices, never had any color problems… a dvd burned onto a VHS looks practically identical to the original. I don’t know how it worked, I just know it worked. A few tapes had a little video “burp” at the very beginning, that’s about it.

  • OwenBurnett

    Well who would have thought that, TCPA is back and kicking.
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Platform_Alliance
    Can anyone remember it a decade ago it was a really hot topic.

    • DutchGuest

      The thing is, TCG has never gone away.
      It’s just that now they’re trying it AGAIN, and Microsucks is willing to play this little game, both to piss off *nix users, and to try and keep people from booting illegal copies of their OS’es (try being the key word here; If THEY build it, WE will hack it!).

      • Dondilly

        The intended rollout of (Un)Trusted Computing was always in 3 phases.
        Phase 1 was software implemented, where the OS encrypted video and audio streams to stop software interception to copy. To work, this required approved gfx and audio cards and approved players. If unapproved gfx cards were used, resolution was to be limited. This was rolled out in Win Vista and it was the waste of resources encrypting and decrypting video streams that killed performance and why Vista was so unstable and sold so badly.

        Phase 2 which is where we are now, effectively has drm built into the motherboard. This not only affects what OS you can run but enables the OS to stop unapproved software or media players from running.

        Phase 3 goes even further, implementing drm on the CPU chip itself.

        In short, the MAFIAA are pressing for general purpose PCs to be locked down and reduced to the level of a glorified xbox.

        It seems ironic that at the time this was rolled out, the RIAA was obcessed with drm the public refused to buy and only saw digital sales increase when it was scrapped.

        • Whatever

          Phase 3 will kill all innovation as it won’t even allow you to create any electronic hardware device yourself containing a cpu/mpu. (no custom code will run)

        • me

          Don’t worry too much about it. People with real CS and EE skills know full well how to build custom CPUs and other ASICs from scratch. As soon as the need emerges, there will be PC makers in China and elsewhere who will release fully open and unlocked platforms for us to use.

          That may not be your mainstream PC off Walmart, but there’s more than enough demand for an open computing platform out there that it will simply be built and sold. Microsoft & Co can demand whatever they want, it won’t matter, because those open PCs won’t be built to run Windows anyway.

        • Monk

          i wouldnt be counting on China anymore. after years of being leaned against by the u.s regime, they have cracked and recently announced that they;ll be arresting pirates. this comes after they just switched their entire government with a new generation of leaders. this new one is more accomodating to america corporations than the last. China also deregulated all kinds of financial stuff to make it easier for “foreign investors” to operate in China. we all know what this leads to.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      I was thinking the same…

      It fell apart then, not due to technical restrictions but because the consumer market clearly indicated whatever company tried it would be committing harakiri. Today I can clearly see what would logically happen to the first motherboard manufacturer trying to sell this sort of product to enthusiasts…

  • http://www.genomicon.com Nick Taylor

    thing #1 that springs to mind:

    If you cast your mind back to 6 years ago (or whatever), and imagine yourself talking about CNN, or Myspace or whatever it was that was around at the time… the big players, the big movements…

    … you probably wouldn’t have noticed this weird, trivial little app (a hamster among the dinosaurs) called twitter. But it has kindof changed everything. It came out of left-field… there was really no rational explanation for it, or any particularly good explanation why anyone on god’s good earth would want to use it… and yet here it is.

    And I’m rapidly coming to feel the same way about Raspberry Pi. I don’t have one, but I’m picking up the vibe.

    The dinosaurs thrashing it out in the consumer hardware space a the moment are trad PCs vs mobile devices… which have a tendency to have baked-in malware… but community is the Intel Inside of the 3rd Industrial revolution. Community is to information platforms what warm blood is to vertebrates. It’s an edge (a maneuverability) that in the long-run, is impossible to compete with.

    So… I’ve got a feeling that in the not too distant future, the “trusted platform” question will be moot.

    Which is no cause for complacency vis a vis The War on Open Computing… but I think what we’re seeing here is not so much an explosion of computing power, as an explosion of complexity… an explosion of complexity of information.

    I think that’s what Moore’s law is really about… and Microsoft, and Apple are likely to become backwaters… cosy little backwaters (like shopping malls) where your elderly auntie can look at wedding photos of her nieces without accidentally seeing a goatse.

    • Anyone

      raspberry pi is awesome
      a $25 computer that can run Full HD video, it just shows you how overpriced other devices are

      it’s a shame it is so hard to come by here, the distribution needs to be improved

  • Peter Owens

    Well, Windows 8 is the biggest pile of steaming shite i’ve seen since Windows ME. I hope people, ie: the consumer ask for Motherboards that aren’t locked in to an OS.

    • Quantocks

      greatest OS I’ve used since windows 2000. If you’re an idiot, Windows 8 will be unfamiliar. If you have any sort of clue, you’ll find it’s identicle to Windows 7.

      same cry babies screaming that win7 was amazing and win8 sucks are retarded. Maybe you can apply for a job with the DOJ ?

      • Masau Fuku

        You haven’t used a linux distro have you?

        Regardless, he never said that windows 7 was amazing – it’s not. Windows 8 is worse (on a desktop without a touch screen at least). If I wanted a tablet OS on my desktop…I’d be using Ubuntu with it’s stupid Unity garbage. I’ll be sticking with my Arch. I have far more control over it, and far fewer problems than I’ve had with any windows OS (or any other linux distro I’ve used for that matter).

      • DutchGuest

        Currently the only retard i see here is the one i’m replying to right now.
        ‘Identicle’ ? REALLY ? O.o

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “greatest OS I’ve used since windows 2000.”

        All I needed to know, right there.

        What windows 7 and 8 are is simply a lot less crappy than the previous efforts by MS. What we see in the consumer market and the raving reviews is simply what happens when, after raising a dog to be kicked all his adult life, you suddenly give the mutt one solid kick a day instead of ten. He’ll be pathetically grateful.

        Like listening to the lyrical people praising Internet Explorer 7 to the skies, after having been forced to use Internet Exploder 6.

      • Whatever

        Peter Owens is right.

        Every second Windows release (user version to keep timeline correct) is beta by default. This means 95, ME, Vista , Windows 8.

        Windows 8 is just the beta version of Windows 9. But if there are idiots that want to pay for a beta version then Microsoft has no problem to sell it to them.

        And there wasn’t any mention of Windows 7 being great.

        • Monk

          i paid $1.50

    • Masau Fuku

      I doubt that will happen – most PC users don’t care what OS is on their computer, so long as it is somewhat familiar and does what it needs them to.

      Hopefully, M$ will be taken to court (once again) for monopolistic practices.

      • MONK

        let me tell you the kind of power m$ has. the Chinese government developed an operating system called red flag, and they dominated the Chinese market. microsoft comes in and reverses all of that, and now windows dominates the Chinese market. the Chinese spirit tends to be independent. they do not like relying on others. they have their own mobile phone signal. the only one in the world that doesnt use the usa’s. theyre the only country other than the usa to their own satelites. China has their own credit cards, and are the only country that do not use visa, and mastercard. they have their own system called union pay. you get the picture. so i think there was a lot of arm twisting here to get the Chinese govt to go along with m$. thats the kind of power m$ has. they are no joke. all these european anti trust side shows are childs play and serve no real purpose. at the end of the day, american multinational corporations call the shots in europe, China, and everywhere else.

        • Conservative

          Russia, Europe, India and various other countries have their own satelites.

    • Andrew me

      I wonder if this is a problem on Apple hardware? Or is it just Microsoft that has installed a system to prevent people from installing new software on the device they have specifically built for windows. Should i be upset that i cannot install linux on my photo-frame or on my android phone or tablet?

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        That depends on what you define as a “problem”. If you had a problem with the iPhone secretly keeping full traffic logs accessible by Apple, then yes, you do have a problem.

        Possibly not on your photo-frame unless you have photos in it you really aren’t keen to share.

    • monk

      China has a computer that only runs linux. it’s called the Loongson. costs something like $100. i believe it’s the only procesor in the world that isnt intel or amd

  • Violated0

    Well I know much about content control systems. Yes Macrovision was a problem but not on the rival BetaMax systems. Once they started on DVDs they added CGMS with their copy freely, copy once and copy never.

    It is of course easy to strip out both these with a Macrovision and CMGS remover.

    Them adding such control systems to computer systems is concerning. All the time it exists it has the ability to be abused just like ISP CP filters are now used to censor file sharing sites.

    The public do always need to fight for their rights because it is very easy to lose your freedoms and very hard to recover them. People even have the right to break the law but expect punishment if you do.

    • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

      I agree on the fighting, but Trusted Computing was meant, in this case, to prevent virus infections on machines and messing with the kernels that make up the ‘brains’ of the operating systems.

      • Danny

        Nope.

        Not Viruses, bootloaders that either allow you to boot a nice FOSS OS or a patched version of the windows bootloader that allows you get past pesky WGA.

        Viruses hardly ever user the bootloader itself, there are far easier exploits in windows for them to use.

        • Dark

          Quite a few fuck with the MBR to stop people removing them easily.

        • Danny

          @Dark

          In my many years of removing viruses I have never had to remove a virus from the microsoft bootloader. They usually patch into one of the windows start up processes but this is not the same as the boot loader. M$ could fix the holes in their system to fix these issues instead of trying to get things digitally signed.

        • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

          danny, missing that numerous viruses can mess with the bootloaders. You might never have had to remove a virus that messed with that. Other people who I have talked with have but yes, it is rare.

          This is just an attempt to prevent extremely bad, nearly impossible to remove, viruses from even getting started.

        • Danny

          @Christopher

          I’m not missing anything. Yes a few viruses use the bootloader, but it is far easier for the virus creators to use one of the many other startup holes that exist. The main use for patched boot loaders is to get around WGA.

          The fact is that this argument is being used by Microsoft (and in turn OEMs) to push ‘secure boot’ which will effectively lock you in to using only Microsoft certified software in the end (this is exactly where its going).

          The current Linux distributions that actually work with secure boot use a boot loader and kernel signed by a Microsoft issued key.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Er, no. Trusted computing was never a “protection” mechanism. It was a “control mechanism”.

        Governments loved it because naturally it meant you’d finally be able to track everyone, all the time.
        Business loved it because, well, much like with the xbox and PS3, being able to exclude any competitor from the platform is a wonderful advantage in the market.

    • Anon

      I’d like to read an amicus brief that is foundationed on some perceived “right” to break law. I think it would be entertaining to hear you explain this to any court in any country. Can you actually reference in any countries constitution or founding documents where this “right” to act unlawfully is enshrined?

      • Violated0

        It is not any defence against law breaking but the right to be innocent until a law has been broken including the right to privacy and anonymity.

        Had this not been the case then why does not the Government put an electronic device in everyone that zaps them with 200,000 volts should they ever attempt to murder or rape someone. Or what the hell law is the law so lets add in theft, jaywalking, speeding, spitting and every other law.

        Should the scheme work well then no one can ever break the law again and the right to be able to break the law would be denied,

        In a more real world example motor vehicles support speeds above the national speed limit. In that one act you have been granted the ability to break the law as so many people do daily. You may certainly ask “why?” where that reason is because in some situations you may actually have a valid reason for needing to go faster.

        So the right to break the law is all about the Government not clamping down on your life in the chance that you may break the law. Sure they can sometimes forget that but the Courts are not so supportive.

        • Danny

          All I could think of was the film equilibrium when reading your post.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        We will present you with that Amicus Brief as soon as you show us the article of law which states that guilt and not innocence should be presumed.

        That stated, go read up on what is known as “Civil Disobedience”. It should be illuminating.

        And once you’re done, if you are still of the same opinion, why not go up to the nearest black man and tell him proudly that you think Martin Luther King Jr. was wrong.

        “Civil Disobedience” has always been a weapon used by the citizenry in order to force law to change. And the reason you will not find it in a certain paragraph of law is quite simply because in most countries, the provisions allowing for and encouraging civil disobedience tend to be written straight into the constitutions of said nations.

        Then again, I’m sure it’s wasted effort explaining to that whose only use of that document beginning with “we the people” might be as a substitute for toilet paper.

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Do it every day.

        Some morally regressive East German novo-fascists built a huge wall in Berlin and passed a law threatening death to anyone who scaled it.

        People still crossed that wall.

        One day they tore it down.

        No more wall. No more law. No more East German novo-fascists.

        When normal people face stupid laws, they ignore them long before they get them changed.

      • In a Galaxy Far Far Away

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

        That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

        Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

        But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

        • Anon

          What a bunch of CRAP!
          Did you make this up? Absolute NONSENSE!

          The LAW is the LAW. Break the law, you die.

          Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness.

        • Vanish

          It’s quoted from the U.S. Declaration Of Independence. I won’t judge if it’s a bunch of crap or not, but unless he’s Thomas Jefferson, he didn’t make it up.

        • Anonymous Monkey

          @Anon:
          Bwahahaha! You, sir ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT!
          Guess you slept through history classes.
          You had to have, to not recognize the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

        • Techanon

          @Anon: “The LAW is the LAW. Break the law, you die.”

          Yay, for fascism. The law is a set of arbitrary rules set by a group of men (or even by a single man). And they aren’t necessarily required to have your well being in consideration when writing them.

          “Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness.”

          Yay, for conformism and resignation.

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  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    Linux – cutting edge, very well supported by open source community developers. Emulates the feel of Unix but not related to it. Now easier to use in many cases than Windows with simple package loaders. Linux itself is a simple kernel with many distributions that drastically change the OS functions and pre-loaded support.

    FreeBSD – Based off UNIX, very secure, very fast, CON: limited hardware support.

    Two good alternatives

    • Whatever

      (offtopic)
      For a FreeBSD server (NAS) hardware support is not so much of a problem as long as cpu/hdd/nic are supported.

      I would say that for anyone trying FreeBSD that the biggest trouble is finding information (on many levels). Often the available information lacks the answer to “why ?”

      Example: You mention “secure” but no answer to “Why is it secure ?”

  • Liam Jh

    I can understand where Micro$lo$h are coming from, if it to be implemented on there proprietry hardware (Surface and mobiles phones), but enforcing motherboard makers to implement this for third party Desktop/Laptops and take choice away from users is a bad move and will bring down the wrath of the monopolies commission again.

  • http://twitter.com/gvnmcknz gvnmcknz

    1: Mobo manufacturers selling non-UEFI boards need our support.
    2: Win8 with “Classic Shell” (gives back start bar) is really quite speedy.
    3: I’m still sticking with Lubuntu
    Regards
    gvnmcknz

  • cfuse

    If people think that China won’t be pumping out mod chips in plentiful supply for this, then they’re ignoring how signed bootloaders on consoles have been dealt with for decades.

    This is a nuisance, nothing more. There is no lock that cannot be defeated.

    • Danny

      I think coreboot will get a large addition of developers if this really hits the fan.
      Then you simply install a new BIOS and bang no more secure boot.

    • RIAAtarded

      The point is you shouldn’t need a ‘mod chip’ to run your hardware.

      • cfuse

        The point is that DRM has never been in the interests of end users – so people will work around it, and there’ll always be vendors to aid them in that.

        Is this annoying? Yes. Will it stop anyone on TF? Nope.

    • NONK

      China just brought in a new govt that is going to be tough on privacy. the days of Chinese doing whatever they want without american oversite are over.

  • http://twitter.com/gvnmcknz gvnmcknz

    P.S. Win8 needs 768 pixels vertically.
    Useless for your Netbook
    gvnmcknz

  • http://twitter.com/krozareq krozareq

    BTW for those still using Windows: Steam is coming out for Linux soon (in beta now) and everything else pretty much Wine works perfectly for (Office, etc).

    Go to TPB, KAT, or your favorite tracker and download VMware if you don’t have it.Then get images for a Linux distribution you want to try. For people new to it I recommend Ubuntu since it has a nice GUI software package loader. There are many sub-distros based on Ubuntu with the same thing as well.

    Learn a few things about the terminal (it’s not hard, it’s just different if you only used a graphical interface) I recommend Googling “Linux guides for newbies” and in a few hours you will know it. Also go to Google Images and look up “Linux Command Wallpaper” and it will give you wallpapers that show all of Linux’s important commands for quick reference.

    Just load the image into VMware and play around with it as well as with Wine (preloaded on some distributions) which allows you to run native Windows programs. If you find that you use it a lot, then install it for real on your hard drive as dual boot… or hell… turn your current Windows partition into a VirtualBox (“VMware” for Linux) image.

    I guarantee, a lot of you will like it and find out that it will entirely replace Linux.

    • Anyone

      let’s hope Steam for Linux is a success

      seeing how few games are on Steam for Mac I’m not that optimistic

      • Guest

        IMO Mac users are not gamers.

        Many Linux users dual-boot to play Windows games.

        It will be a sucess.

      • Monk

        im fairly literate on windows, but i usually spend hours trying to figure out how to install a codec on linux before i end up giving up. also installing linux programs is not that easy. on windows you can recognise the exe files as being programs, but its not so easy on linux. your average person would have to take a class on computers before knowing how to do basic things on linux. most people are not good with doing things in code. drag and click yes, running codes and terminals, no.

    • Guest

      unless you have a high-end system, wine and virtualization are out of the question. I have Ubuntu installed as a dual boot option on my laptop, but I rarely use it because games just don’t work with it. Unless game devs start actually making games for linux, it will never be that great.

      And yes I realize that steam for linux is almost ready, but games will still need to be ported to the linux platform, which means co-operation from the game devs.

      • cmltow

        I have a laptop with a 1.3ghz dual core CPU and 4gb of ram, hardly high end by todays standards, but it runs xp, win7 and various Linux distros just fine (one at a time of course).
        As far as wine goes, I have run windows progs on my ten year old HP as long as my hardware meets the software requirements.

        • cmltow

          *runs all those in Virtual Box on Linux Mint

  • The_Strawbear

    An article by Rick which about something rather than just random musings about the nature of stuff…?

    Still just moaning with no positive answers. Typical politician, moaning about the opposition rather than doing something himself.

    Anyway, computing’s been going this way for years. Win7 will be the last MS OS that I get, which doesn’t thrill me with joy for the future, but looks like it will be necessary.

    Soon you’ll have locked down OS’s, no local power just cloud based app (program) and file storage and then utterly observed internet activity. Everything will cost. Then once the system is locked down, the prices will rise.

    Tablet computers are the forerunners in this.

    This is why you shouldn’t get ipads or kindles or anything that’s locked down, it gives them a mandate to carry on with this.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Typical politician, moaning about the opposition rather than doing something himself.”

      A politician’s job is to inform his electorate and push for change which Rick is actually doing. He started the original pirate party and without him we certainly wouldn’t have two european MEP’s in parliament actually doing stuff. Bear in mind, he didn’t become a politician at all until he started the Pirate Party in 2006 – in order to combat stuff such as this.

      I’m not quite sure where you’re going with that comment but i strongly suspect “Nowhere”.

      “Soon you’ll have locked down OS’s, no local power just cloud based app (program) and file storage and then utterly observed internet activity. Everything will cost.”

      …right…it’s been tried before and it has utterly failed. It will do so again. All of those claims are certainly in the christmas wish list for certain industries but none of those claims are even remotely in the ballpark of observed reality. Now or future.

      For a start you are right that it’ll cost. So much so that I seriously doubt the average consumer will be able to afford internet at all. Using thin client and a lot of resources I can build what you describe. The security needs and costs will be astronomical. And more or less assumes a totalitarian control over the free market you wouldn’t even find in Sovjet Russia. try again.

      I do, however, second the motion of not buying locked-down appliances. Today that means any unchipped game console as well, though, not just iPads, iPhones or Kindles.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      When all this control shit starts to show its ugly head, more people will begin putting their hardware money with the boutique dudes who make their “rigs” from the nuts and bolts on up.

      They’re already all over. Small. Only a few guys. Sell under 5000 machines a year. In business at least five years. Hungry as hell. Live for the day when they can sell 50,000 machines. Their competitions is as hungry as they are, so if they’ve survived five years they’re working on a business based on low price, high quality. I’ve seen their product; and, it beats the shit off anything that sells at Comp USA.

      Wouldn’t even consider letting them put a Windows OS on it.

      No cloud, either. Just twenty friends going to a party at the mall or local park to chat and share their five or ten 3tb drives

    • Fredrika

      > “Still just moaning with no positive answers. Typical politician, moaning about the opposition rather than doing something himself.”

      Is this ignorance talking? One of the problems that the Pirate Party was formed to solve was the problem with the copyright monopoly, and they have indeed a positive answer to how to solve that, simply by partially dismantling it, so that it no longer causes as much harm to society and conflicts with a billion people filesharing.

      That solution in turn seemed so thought through, intelligent and functioning, that the only growing parliamentarian group in the parliament of the worlds biggest economy adapted, or copied rather, the Pirate Parties political program on copyright completely.

      And for doing something himself, well Scary already took your ignorance for a lesson on that topic. But as he said, Rick did more than almost anybody does during their entire lifespan. He quit his job, started a political party and ran it for five years, a political party that since has spread into a political movement with parties in over 60 countries, and with candidates elected into hundreds of governing positions around the globe, including very influential parliamentarians into the parliament of the worlds strongest economy.

      Rick’s actions have been considered so thought through and noteworthy that several esteemed publications since has dubbed him one of our time’s greatest thinkers and most influential people alive.

      And you claim that he has not done something?

      What did you yourself do, other than writing ignorant misinformed comments here?

      • http://twitter.com/Falkvinge Falkvinge

        Dammit, you sure know how to make a guy feel good about himself on a Monday.

        • Fredrika

          > “Dammit, you sure know how to make a guy feel good about himself on a Monday.”

          One of Bubbles many superpowers, the ability to make a good person feel good about himself, at the same time as educating an ignorant person. =)

      • Falkrika

        Two super egos combine to form Falkrika! Self importance has a new name.

        • Anon

          Let’s not forget their prideful claims of political infiltration. :-)
          It’s like watching preschool children lecture their parents about how they want to be raised.

        • 7th_Guest

          >Let’s not forget their prideful claims of political infiltration. :-)[...]

          And yet it moves.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          If by “super ego” you mean “enlightened, educated, intelligent and driven” then yes.

          Otherwise, no, and you need to get your self a dictionary.

  • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

    Of all that vast universe of which I know nothing, I know the least about computer programing and computer hardware; but, Isn’t the Apple Ecosystem already a closed, controlled environment as to hardware?

    True that Apple manufactures its exclusive proprietary hardware; but, isn’t the precedent already here established that a market dominant producer can compel consumers into its hardware and/or software to the extent that it can enforce a binding or bundling of both?

    If Apple had the kind of market dominance that Windows now has, whose hardware would we be buying; and, would Linux be allowed a place in that environment?

    We are here asking about the continued existence of meaningful customer choice: When we say that MS Windows OS has market competition, we do not mean commercial competition (other than Apple). Do we? From the point of view of meaningful customer choice in the OS market, the only meaningful alternative is Open Source Linux or its derivatives. So, what would it mean if Microsoft could exclusively bind or bundle the already vastly distributed volume of its OS to the existing hardware output? Nothing good for Linux. Nothing good for customers.

    • Anyone

      MacOS can be installed on regular “Intel” hardware (called a Hackintosh ;)) and you can run Windows on your iMac, if you so desire
      MacOS even dualboots into Unix by default

      of course, iphones are mostly locked down, you can’t run android on them, but at least you can root them to install your own apps from outside the appstore
      android phones are better off, not because of the hardware as such, but because android is open source, so that you can often install your own flavor of it, such as CM

      • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

        Didn’t know. Thnx to SDM and U….

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      MacOS is open enough. You can do as you like. iOS, used on the iPhone however, is far more restricted and locked down – indeed, the rule for a mobile phone today is that you, the user, are not “root”. You don’t have admin rights. Unless you jailbreak the device.

      A far better example would be game consoles. These are almost invariably hardware-locked. And as we’ve seen, keeping them that way is impossible. A firmware hack is always built to bypass the draconian DRM measures in place.

  • Nonesuch

    In the VCR days there was a simple solution to Macrovision, a “black box” that you would install on the cable between the ‘playing’ VCR and the ‘recording’ VCR, and this “black box” would filter out the Macrovision signal.

    Having a black box was presumably illegal, since no retail shops ever sold them, but you could mail-order them from ads in the back pages of several magazines. Along with TV cable decoders.

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  • veetann

    OK wow man thats liek the craziest thing ever dude.

    http://www.Getz-Anon.tk

    • Dark

      ok. wow man stop linkspamming dude.

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  • Peter Sadlon

    Secure boot is a mixed bag. It does offer security but it is also often implemented in such a way that discourages altering things like OSes and bootloaders, even for legitimate reasons. The AAs encourage it to protect copyright (there are smarter and more consumer solutions), OS companies like Microsoft push for it because it can get them more money from the AAs and help them maintain their marketshare that much longer. And the chip makers make the chips because that’s the standard being adopted by the system makers in response to the standards set by the OS makers.

  • Miff

    Guys. Not only will Microsoft sell anybody a key that will let them publish a new bootloader, even in secure boot mode, but the Fedora Project bought the key and then created their own bootloader that will just kick off an unprotected GRUB. Currently Fedora Core and Ubuntu use this to boot, and will boot even in Windows 8 secure boot mode. Search for Fedora shim.

    • cmltow

      But you still HAVE to go through MS. This doesn’t solve the problem, it’s just a band-aid since MS still controls the hardware.

      • Anon

        NO YOU DON’T! Dear god do people just look at the FUD and not read up on it themselves? MS offers a key authority BUT YOU CAN SET ONE UP YOURSELF! MS’s one is used because all MB makers have agreed to use MS’s key chain in their secureboot list. If you can get them to include your own personal key you can USE YOUR KEY! Linux distros are using MS because they are the cheaper option not because they are the ONLY option. Hell MS don’t even get paid for it Verisign gets the cash.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          The problem, good sir, is that the one and only “key authority” which should or would apply to MY hardware is the one I choose. By default.

          And as for FUD…remember the following names; Sony. Microsoft. Oracle. SCO. Apple.

          Trivia time: Which ones of the above has at one time or other used any control mechanism, no matter how reasonable, and tried to pervert it into something which gave them more control over the hardware owned by a third party than normal property law should allow? By legal means, software, or hardware?

          Microsoft has proven often enough that it can not be trusted in the past. So when a sane person today sees anything about MS certificates and hardware, that person swiftly becomes a sceptic for good and valid reason.

  • pirateer

    Well, the way I look @ it is, whether or not your pirating consumer software or copying songs from your brother or sisters CD or copying a movie to watch later this type of control is simply that “control”. No matter what gets developed to control people there will be many who seek out and find ways around these systems that do nothing more than take freedom away.

  • RIAAtarded

    locks and restrictions only stifle innovation and creativity. It gets so tiring having things jammed down our throats under the guise of protection when the only thing that is being protected in the end is the monopoly that created the tech in the first place. I can tell you they rarely get a sale out of me until it is hack it some way to function in a manner I can play with it or adds in functionality outside of the original scope. The first xbox I never bought until it could run XBMC and I modded several for friends. None of us wanted a game console or used it for that purpose but as a home media PC it was brilliant for years. All sales they would have lost had it not been for the exploit. Routers, if it can’t run DD-WRT, OPENWRT, tomato etc I won’t buy it. Why? Normal firmware is missing the functionality I need. The hardware is capable of doing it but they limit functionality to force you into buying a more expensive enterprise grade product. Computers, I’ve paid for windows several times over the last decade but have never booted it once. I find it offensive that the OS isn’t on disk to start with so I have an option what I want to run they just assume it is windows and by the way you need to pay for it as well. The last one I bought they actually wanted to charge me a setup fee of a $100. I asked for what they said to set it up at which point I said ‘to click next, next, next then? No thank I run linux’

    In the end they want to restrict the platform and when that fails pass laws to make it illegal to circumvent them. They seem to lose sight of the sales they’ll lose as a result of the gained functionality and rather then embrace it and improve it they bury it.

    • Anon

      “the only thing that is being protected in the end is the monopoly that created the tech in the first place.”

      Well duh. Isn’t that the point. They created it, they make the rules. You want it you follow the rules or do without. This hasn’t changed and two pirate legislators won’t change anything. Good luck organizing enough pirates that their rights to their own creations will dissolve anytime soon so you can lawfully ransack their ip offered for sale. You really ARE retarded.

      • RIAAtarded

        Wow are you ever a sheep, they don’t make the rules unless we let their lobbying BS actual bear fruit. Once you sell something you no longer have the ability to dictate its use. Like it or not that is the reality. Sure if I alter it your well within your rights to void a warranty at most but you can’t tell me how and what I use it for. You give up that right the minute you take money from me for it. No other industry has this sort of latitude so why are we giving it here. Say I buy a minivan, dodge says sorry those are a family vehicle so you’ll need to get married and have kids first before purchase, economical city car, sorry we don’t allow those on the highway. Warranty only cover 20,000k a year for mileage, well now you’ll need to park it until next year when you can start fresh. It is foolish.

        As to organizing pirates it is already happening and most aren’t pirates at all. You don’t need to be a pirate to know this is wrong. Long story short corporations have no business in our homes. Way to much control is being exercised on us as a recourse of our daily lives now and i’m tired of it. As as many others, it isn’t 2 politicians there are political parties full of members actually winning seats. You’ve got fringe groups like anonymous, wikileaks etc effecting change on a global scale. If you think this is only Rick on a soapbox you’re ignorant to what is actually going on around you. He is just the voice of a growing group globally who are fed up with BS being flung at the masses.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “This hasn’t changed and two pirate legislators won’t change anything.”

        The entire Green group in the EU parliament adopted the Pirate Policy wholesale. And the other factions, including the liberals, are currently looking it over carefully.

        The same way you mean one black man, a simple jewish statistical clerk or a demented Indian lawyer won’t change southern racism, fundamental physics or British Colonialism?

        Thank you once again, Baghdad Bob, for that illuminating glimpse into what passes for your mind.

        Pray tell, have the heroic forces of Saddam occupied the White House yet?

  • Whatever

    Once the MAFIAA was trying to fight midi files on websites and BBS’es. They thought those low quality bleeping instrumental versions of their tracks were a threat. So mp3 and ever faster internet came along to strike back.

    What will happen this time ?

  • polsenpol

    In my language ‘control’ is spelled ‘kontrol’ ..
    Read backwards, its ‘lort’ (shit) ‘nok’ (enough) !

  • Who

    “The reason was a curious mechanism preventing the copying of movies” ?
    um….don’t think so. I know exactly y movies couldn’t be copied back then and I found the way around it. and the SAME copy protections are still used in today’s movies.

    also good luck trying to force this shit down ANY computer users throat. I already know about the Cinavia copy protection in some of to days new movies and that its present in new versions of Power dvd. BUT there is already a work around to it.

    “the more you restrain people the more they will refuse to PAY for you SHIT”
    STUPID MPAA LOL. and I am NOT telling you what or how I know.

  • Guest

    Even if this were true, the market would demand hardware without this lockdown and people would move away from Windows. Only big business’s would have a tough decision on whether to stick with Windows or not. As most are legit, it would be an easy decision to stick with it. Lucky Microsoft, they’d die if that weren’t the case.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      Eventually, even businesses will take the short term hit in the interest of not being locked down perpetually to a pay more, and more often, for less scheme…..

  • Who

    “The most worrying push to date is that Microsoft requires computer motherboards to have that kind of lock down to get the certification for Windows 8. They go even further on boards with ARM-based architecture: on such devices, Microsoft requires that you can’t even change what operating systems are allowed to run”

    Microshit has NO say in this.

    “ARM-based architecture”
    um….ARM-based architecture has NOTHING to do with ANY kind of copy protection. OR forcing you to ONLY use Microshit winblows.

    my current main board is ARM based and if I so feel like it I will switch to ANY OS I please.

  • Fuck Linux

    Linux is shit. I still have to edit fstab to enable trim on a SSD, if something fucks up I still have to go to the command line. Nothing is seamless and easy. I can’t be fucked anymore. Linux is going nowhere, never has and never will. Running Win 8 on all my systems. Not one of them has secure boot, because Gigabyte has not provided a BIOS update. Everything works fine.

    • RIAAtarded

      Enable TRIM
      Go to the Command Prompt and type:
      fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0

      Oh and wouldn’t you know it that is for windows. a command prompt.

      This just show us how little you know but it is a typical response from a fan boy who has tried on some limited basis to use something and failed at it thus the product must be crap not the user who couldn’t grasp it or who didn’t have the patience to learn it properly.

      fstab is a 2 second edit with vi, nano whatever your editor of choice but it can also be done from gedit or similar without being in a CLI.

      everything is seamless is linux and runs circles around a windows OS for ease of use. Grabbing software is as simple as opening a package manager as searching for it. That is if it isn’t already installed by default and by installed I’m referring to full versions not some trimmed down 30 trial with 3/4 of the functionality removed.

      Linux install, did one last week fully up all my tweaks / software / extras done to my liking 20 minutes. Last windows install I did was hours, update, reboot, more updates, reboot, repeat. That is before I find all the software disks, cd keys and even several of those require reboots to finish installs.

      Going nowhere? There are over 600 distros according to wiki m8 lots of choices for every skill level and who doesn’t want a free OS without the virus and malware issues that plague MS.

    • ThumbsUpThumbsDown

      About a year ago, my Windows OS started to hammer me to re-activate, four years after I had purchased my machine with MS Win OS pre installed.

      I called MS and did a useless one hour tango with the phone robot. I still get flashbacks. There should be something in the Geneva Convention against that kind of torture.

      I gave up and tried to re-install my OS from my original disks. Turns out all those helpful MS Updates to protect me from “security threats” were really all about protecting Microsoft’s ability
      to prevent me from re-installing my OS without sending them two hundred dollars. No dice with the Original discs.

      The ugly all black screen calling me a crook appeared; and, slowly but surely, the basic functions of my machine began to degrade.

      Everywhere I turned, the only MS choice I saw was, “Send us 200 bucks!” I was more angry than desperate; but, the monopoly was effectively making its point about me not having any choice. On the bad days, I told myself that 200 bucks was a cheap price to pay for being too much of a computer retard to learn how to use Linux.

      Then, on one if my angry days, I decided to download Linux Mint and try it.

      Surprise! Shock and awe! My slightly aged, but still virile HP Blackbird 002 Cybernetic Love Muffin is still kicking global ass. Mostly MS ass! Out of the Box, worked like a charm. Cost: ZERO. My updates really are updates, not some “amputation scheme” backing up a “200 bucks or else” demand letter.

      Try it.

      I did, and MS has seen the last of me.

  • Brandon Hope

    in principal the locked boot loader IS a good thing. it lets the consumer know that what the bought is what they got. No extra crap just the computer + the OS they wanted.

    The issue is that you cannot disable it. I’m ok with it on by default but I want the option to disable it and run my own shit.

    • RIAAtarded

      no it isn’t. MS security concerns are quite frankly their own problem, my OS doesn’t suffer from that flaw and doesn’t need this technology. This measure to permanently impose it on everyone is something I resent. Boot viruses are something I haven’t had to deal with in years so you need to ask yourself what is the true purpose here? The answer has nothing to do with security it has to do with trying to eliminate piracy and the competition in a single move. MS has be brought up on unfair business practices once I think with this and how hard they are forcing it they need to be looked at again. I don’t run MS products, I don’t even allow them them in my house. So why should I constantly be force to deal with it. Spent 1500$ on my laptop and paid for windows whether I want it or not. Now I’m being told that the next hardware purchase might not have the option to remove it. What should happen is the machine comes totally blank. OS comes on a disk, you want windows you buy it, don’t take it home and install your favorite distro. Personally I think it is shameful i have to buy windows in the first place, worse yet they are to cheap to give me the OS on disk despite paying for it.

  • Mephitidae

    a bit of electronic fun?; use an old apple2 composite monitor to view a vhs or dvd and you’ll see the very bright funky lines that macrovision adds to the signal (the video signal from an apple 2 is quite a bit non standard… the monitor circuitry had to follow to work cleanly)

  • Steamonlinux
  • Asd

    I see many attacking Microsoft, and haven’t seen a single user yet attack Apple who is already implementing something similar to what the article is writing about.

    Apple = they choose hardware, they lock OS….

    • fish sauce

      You forgot to mention apple use cheap hardware and sells it over-priced.

      The cable mess that will help kill the planet.
      EU said to apple to use USB. Apple made a new connector instead. Which is also over-priced and copy protected even.

      Apple and microsoft is the same.

      Microsoft is an apple wannabee.

      Consumer rights out the door, hello lock-in. good bye privacy, and money

  • fish sauce

    This is just like the certification program introduced in vista. To force everyone to buy a very expensive certificate signature to sign their applications with.

    Yet microsoft have the right to revoke the certificate at any time without giving a valid reason.

    That too could have been developed in a way to be as secure and even MORE secure and also be completely FREE and in the users hands.

    Why haven’t EU called microsoft on this bullshit ?!

    Also having a bootloader loading another bootloader will also slow down the boot time for non-microsoft OS:s

    If microsoft allows this bootstrap bootloader than they are hyppocrites and have rendered the security system ull and void.

    In other words since microsoft allowed this bootloading bootloader. Why the FUCK force this “security” system at all ?!

    I mean this “secure” boot was just a way to prevent piracy bootloaders.

    Motherboard makers should have said NO and called microsoft on this bullshit.

    Unsuprisingly all chains that allowed this to happen did NOT do anything to stop it.
    I ask WHY did they not o anything ?

    A conspiracy to implement anti-consumer DRM in hardware using the foot-in-the-door approach ?

  • banana

    Seems like all the technical problems will make this another business liability rather than a success.

    Lean Business Model: Only produce what is valuable to your paying customer, all else is waste. Security mechanisms that don’t trust the user are not of value to the user and will not fare well in a competitive market. (too bad about the monopolies though)

    The real danger comes when people don’t pay for their computer and get it free – ie cloud computing and Google and Facebook etc. In those cases the paying customer is no longer the user hence the needs of the user become incidental.

    Hardware obeys the laws of physics. You can try and copyright/patent it but it is pretty futile. Software on the other had can be copied indefinitely. I don’t think the hardware is really the big threat to open computing.

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