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Canadian ISP Prepares For “Unprecedented” BitTorrent Troll Assault

Popular Canadian ISP TekSavvy is warning its customers that BitTorrent trolls have been calling and will likely strike in the weeks to come. Voltage Pictures, the company that sued thousands in the United States over its Hurt Locker movie, monitored TekSavvy users sharing two dozen of its titles during September and October and will go to court next week to obtain their identities. What will follow is a claim for more than CAD$10,000, but will people really pay that to make a weak case go away?

After hundreds of thousands of Internet account holders were sued in the United States for alleged copyright infringement on BitTorrent networks, Canada is now bracing for the same.

As reported here in November, Canadian anti-piracy company Canipre has been working with righthsolders to monitor BitTorrent networks for alleged infringers. Together with NGN Prima Productions Inc., last month they filed their first lawsuit in the Federal Court in Montreal over the unauthorized sharing of the movie Recoil.

And now, just as promised, they are back again.

The latest case sees Canipre team up with Voltage Pictures, the company that brought misery to thousands in the United States with their anti-BitTorrent campaign targeting alleged sharers of the movie The Hurt Locker.

Last week Voltage sent a motion to the ISP TekSavvy for the personal details of customers associated with around 2,000 IP addresses allegedly logged by Canipre sharing two dozen Voltage titles including Tucker & Dale vs Evil.

TekSavvy did not hand over any information and will not do so without a court order, but Voltage have informed the ISP that they will be in a Toronto court next Monday 17 December seeking such an order which will force the ISP to comply.

The movie company says it will seek an injunction, statutory damages, “an accounting of all profits from the Defendants’ wrongful activities”, damages for “interference with economic relations and unjust enrichment”, “aggravated, exemplary and punitive damages in the amount of $10,000.00″, “special damages” (whatever they are) plus costs.

Unlike many ISPs who choose to leave their customers in the dark when they are targeted in this fashion, TekSavvy appear to be doing everything in their power to keep people informed. Yesterday the company sent out emails to the billing email addresses of those account holders likely to be affected by the action.

Additionally – and this is to be commended – TekSavvy have also produced a Copyright FAQ which should go a long way to explaining what the current action is all about.

In a statement TekSavvy CEO Marc Gaudrault says he is “puzzled” by the approach taken by Voltage.

“It seems contrary to the government’s intent with copyright reform, which was to discourage file sharing lawsuits against individuals, while still protecting copyright holders’ rights,” Gaudrault says.

“The manner and the timing of this action also seems unusual given that the government recently created a roadmap for addressing file sharing and copyright infringement within its legislation. Its starting point is a notification system to subscribers to discourage infringement without immediate threats of lawsuits or disclosure of their personal information. That system is not yet finalized though. In light of these factors, Voltage’s actions seem odd to us.”

While Gaudrault’s assessment is accurate, those familiar with Voltage’s actions in the United States will probably be less puzzled by this new action in Canada.

Voltage’s aim is simply. They want money – lots of it – and are hoping that their scary damages claims will terrify TekSavvy customers into quietly settling for a few thousand dollars instead of risking a very unlikely court appearance.

However, while statutory damages of US$150,000 help that process along nicely in the United States, the CAD$5,000 maximum in Canada should make people think twice before paying anything.

“From all that I’ve read, non-commercial infringement carries a damage award as low as $100 and as high as $5000 for all infringements. It also appears that the intent is to keep damage awards low in such cases,” Gaudrault explains.

The TekSavvy CEO says that the scale of the Voltage case is unprecedented so as a result the company has retained legal counsel to advise them through the process.

“Know that TekSavvy is not taking this lightly as it affects us too and as always, we believe that making your voice heard is a key component to a healthy internet in Canada. I will be monitoring this situation very closely,” Gaudrault concludes.

This is not the first time that Voltage has targeted Canadian BitTorrent users.

In September 2011 the company applied for an order from the Federal Court in Montreal which would’ve forced three Canadian ISPs – Bell Canada, Cogeco Cable Inc. and Videotron GP – to hand over the personal details of subscribers said to have unlawfully shared The Hurt Locker. However, without explanation Voltage Pictures dropped that lawsuit in March 2012.

Concerned TekSavvy users can find the Copyright FAQ here and further information on recent changes in Canadian Copyright Law here.

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  • Canadian Dollar

    If they’re stupid enough to get are stupid enough to pay for the weak case to go away

    • Canadian Dollar

      EDIT: If they’re stupid enough to get caught then they are stupid enough to pay for the weak case to go away.

      • MadAsASnake

        Unfortunately, getting “Caught” is pretty much a matter of luck, IP is so unreliable.A lot of people pay because the threats make them believe they will be reamed in court and the court costs will murder them anyway… Doesn’t take many of these for the trolls to be making money

        • http://twitter.com/JohnnyTracer1 JohnnyTracer

          like Charles said I’m shocked that people can make $6343 in a few weeks on the network.

        • http://twitter.com/JohnnyTracer1 JohnnyTracer

          ….goo.gl/LqUNi (Click on Home)

        • http://twitter.com/EmilyJennifer5 EmilyJennifer

          just as Alice answered I can’t believe that someone can earn $8612 in four weeks on the network.

        • http://twitter.com/EmilyJennifer5 EmilyJennifer

          …..goo.gl/qG6vM (Click on Home)

        • BanThatSpammer

          @EmilyJennifer

          Don’t click her link, it’s spam.

        • http://twitter.com/MarionHanks3 Marion Hanks

          And now, just as promised, they are back again.http://www.youtubeGoogleGetJob.qr.net/jPfD/watch?v=su6YN9gczvM

        • xpmule

          Marion Hanks
          is posting links to a site thar people are reporting that they “can’t close”
          so this person is spamming the comments here with that link trying to lure people into clicking that link why ? i have no idea but i would advise people avoid the link considering where you are and what we’re talking about..

          and Marion do us a favor and kill yourself k thx bye

      • ayane

        I don’t even know where your logic comes from.

      • McCheezits

        I’m not saying I completely agree with you, as I hold the belief that no-one should be forced to pay a ludicrous amount of money to make a bogus legal case go away, regardless of their level of intellect.
        On the other hand, however, I also hold a somewhat hypocritical and contradicting belief that it would be a laugh riot and kind of rewarding to punish people with a low level of intellect with a bogus legal case such as the one(s) described in this article for showing a lack of judgement, and for not using any forms of encryption and/or common sense.

        BTW, if you sign up to Disqus, you can edit your comments, and not have to create new ones.

        • MadAsASnake

          And you feel that is fine even for the vast majority of victims who did not have anything to do with it? Encryption, VPN and so on does not protect you from completely bogus accusations.

      • Geeky One

        true i guess they didn’t use encryption that’s why they are easily caught…

        • ????

          not how it works.

          They connect to a swarm and scrape ip addresses.
          Get info from isp, on who paid for that ip at that time.
          Send out threatening letter to person who paid for the ip.

          Wifi can be hacked, ip’s can be spoofed, subscriber may have no knowledge of anyone using the ip to download.

          In all reality they have no knowledge on who did what so they scare people to settle even when their case would not hold up in court.
          IP address is not evidence of a person.
          They would have to search the actual device, find the file and prove ownership of the computer.

          An IP address as circumstantial flaky “evidence”.
          All masquerading as “you’re Fucked, now pay us or else”

          Encryption does not hide your IP address. It makes the data you send unreadable to anyone intercepting it.

        • MadAsASnake

          The account might not even have been involved at all. The IP collection and tracing process is little better than a random number generator.

        • Anyone

          they might as well use a RNG to get the IP addresses, that would be just as reliable

    • Bob

      im suprised Someone has not just hacked the law firm trolls and close em down, delete there whole server,,,, email all there clients and just destroy em, clearly im no hacker and i would not even consider such a thing, but if i was, id do something like that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kingtrollhunter James Hunter

      I would rather pay 500 loonies to a lawyer and tell them to kiss my pasty white irish Canadian ass. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/kingtrollhunter James Hunter

      Does anyone know what is going on with hotmail?
      Are they being DDOS’d ???the page wont load for shit. :/

  • Anonymous

    although the countries differ and, to some extent, there are some differences in laws, the only way for this and all copyright law suits to end is for a complete amalgamation of companies, regardless of the service they provide to internet users and fight the fuckers en bloc! if this crap isn’t ‘put to bed’, once and for all, it is going to continue! companies are going to be picked off individually just as people are! this is nothing other than another extortion exercise and the courts, yet again, do whatever they can to aid in that extortion by ruling against privacy and ordering information to be given to the trolls. that information, however, still doesn’t identify a user! the US courts have come to realise that and are kicking these cases out. that is why the trolls, this being one of the major, non porn ones, is changing venue. the film was shit, they cant stand the criticisms and the lack of return so they are suing. what a way to compete in the market place! i wonder what sort of viewing response they will get if they release another ‘block buster’ movie? not a fucking lot, i hope!!

    • Pvhomeqq

      Amen to that brother. I just looked at their list of movies, and none of their movies made it to my download list. I may be a filthy pirate, but I have standards.

  • MadAsASnake

    Hopefully most people will simply tell them where to go. IP person as we all know, and if you didn’t do it, that should be the end of the story. As always, the claims are not only on the flimsiest of evidence, but are grossly inflated. You can bet they won’t want to actually put any of these in front of a judge. What baffles me is how reluctant the law enforcement agencies are in all these countries to bring extortion charges. They turn up at peoples houses at the behest of the trolls for trivial and non-issues yet this criminality that causes misery to thousands is allowed to continue.

  • Anon

    Why is this even legal?

    • Guest

      Because the the copyright industry pays protection money to politicians so they can run extortion rackets like this without getting in to legal trouble.

      • chronoss

        michael iggnatief shook the hands last election of hte tragically hip
        the last band to try lawsuits in canada

        he was leader of the liberal party and he failed to win his seat
        every person or mp that comes out in favour of copyright loses there seats.

  • Canadian

    We here in Canada have a wonderful Social Assistance system. The outcomes of these trials may end up that the provincial governments may end up having to pay the trolls… I think the judges realize this quite well.

    • chronoss

      its worse then that actually for the trolls
      the maximum a welfare person can pay in a given month before undue hardship falls into play is 26/month for welfare and 50 for disability ….roll the dice and sue every one you can
      if enough of these people are these types your gonna lose money and anyone on disability or welfare should show up no matter ….and even if you lose your helping to put them out of business.
      NO Lawyer will do 2300 cases for a 100 grand that would take 7 years to get the judgement of 5 grand per case.
      any lawyer that does it is an idiot.

  • lipservice

    People are inherently shallow and easily fooled by rhetoric.
    If we elected people who were smart and looked into the reality of “given facts” this sort of stuff would happen far less frequently.

    Even IF the people who paid for the account were the same people that downloaded from that IP address, what they downloaded was a worthless copy with next to zero cost.
    A $5 settlement cost is relative extortion.

    People (even the easily fooled, stupid ones) are starting to see….. they can have 1000 copies of a movie on their device and it doesn’t cost a single penny more than having one copy.

    The artificial scarcity model is failing.

    • Anonymous

      ‘If we elected people who were smart and looked into the reality of “given facts” this sort of stuff would happen far less frequently.’

      i dont think this is so much the issue as more than anything, it is that politicians are more interested in lining their own pockets than doing what they were actually elected for, ie, representing ‘THE PEOPLE’! if lobbying were to be banned and anyone caught still receiving backing from industries that had their own agendas were prosecuted, perhaps there would be a few changes made for the better. while those in power can continue to receive financial ‘incentives’ for voting in a certain way, regardless of whether that is the right way to vote or not, things will continue to go further down the crapper!

      • Lipservice

        True: Money in politics needs to end.

        You are right that the root cause is corruption.
        Can’t ignore that some people are stupid and easily manipulated tho.

        • Guest

          money = 90% of problems of human species

        • Notorious B.I.G.

          Mo Money Mo Problems

  • downunder

    Hurt locker was a load of rubbish I though
    I would expect them to pay me to watch
    it and I cant believe it won awards

    theres was a much better movie then that
    at the time… wasnt it called avatar? :)

    anyhow didnt all of france join a proxy site (vpn)
    in canada to bounce traffic through
    when the 3 strike law came in :)

    • Gee


      Hurt locker was a load of rubbish I though
      I would expect them to pay me to watch

      That’s why they had to extort people to make money

  • Yeuoyehsytet4ieutv78tu

    Anti-piracy groups are trying to go world wide to sweep every cent from every country they can.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Not too surprising, given that the actual entertainment industry they represent are starting to think “Why are we paying the salaries of these lying trolls again? All it gets us is customer badwill…”.

      Hence the hefty budget cuts in the MPAA and RIAA lately…

  • ColinCarr

    While TekSavvy are doing a good job of keeping their customers nformed of what is going on, and the applicable law, it is disappointing that they appear not to be gearing up to resist the trolls in court by arguing against their request for client identification data.

    • Anon

      Why should they? They are trying to run an isp, not a protection agency for subscribers who can’t seem to stay within the law. Now TekSavvy has to bear the expense of a lawyer for themselves. Good.

      We’ll see how long the worlds ISP’s think it is good business to risk their own business hiding customers who continue to infringe.

      • chronoss

        and when the customers leave on mass and stop doing what you say online and you still arent making more money you will get the hint
        and hten you have no one left to blame but your anal selves

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GU43EPIIFPT4SZQYYCXUDMZG5I DJ Night Force 9

        And what about those subscribers that WERE staying within the law and got falsely accused? Why should their personal information be disclosed to the trolls without any proof of their wrongdoing (an IP address doesn’t cut it). As always, your logic completely fails.

      • Guest

        So you think piracy is wrong but extortion is fine?

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Of course he does.

          Piracy can’t pay his salary, unlike extortion.

        • Anti-pirates == useful idiots

          Anything is fine to him, if he “thinks” it means more profits.

          Anti-Pirate : A useful idiot, in this case to extortionists.

        • Anon

          Oh, yes. Indeed I do.

          Extortion is a punishment and I enjoy watching others submit to it.

          Piracy is my word for using the Internet and anyone who uses the Internet will learn.

        • BrainsJustlImploded

          @Anon
          WOW you blatant ass sunofabitch… I don’t always feed the troll but when I do it suffocates on the madnesses. Piracy = using the internet oO going by your logic. Everyone should learn that using the internet is piracy… Uuhhhmmmm.
          WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

          Extortion my ass. I hope a big ass black brotha or for that matter a group of hooded crackers break into your fkin basement and rape your sorry sissyboy whiney little bitchass for all the shit coming out of your mouth/your second asshole. The freedom of speech has headaches because of you. You watch people getting robbed out of their existence because they watched a shitty movie? And then you put salt on the wound by saying “serves them right” or “justice has been served” all the while feverishly masturbatin to pictures of the great Chriss Dodd? I saw your pictures on FB. Seems legit. You are just like the folks over at the DEA. It does not matter where punishment comes from or in whichever way it affects everybody else. As long as WE get to bully the “bad guys” (we declare who is bad and why, any given time btw) everything is A-okay. Thanks for comming out btw you faggot. How’s that dick up your ass feel? Not much difference between the stick you have been abusing as a dildo before? Go burn some books because you are immune to learning and thinking for yourself. Better yet wipe your ass with it and call it art. Copyright that shit too all you want. The mere fact that YOU created this piece of “art” (turdprint) will be a much more effective copyright protection measure because not even the wierdest of sickos would want to even SEARCH for that (m)assterpiece
          Go suffocate on some gangbanger nutting in your mouth you hitler youth motherfucker.
          And about the thoughtcrimes you keep spamming on this site:
          Ask Squidward: Nobody, not even your mother would want to see that.
          Not even a ____ was given that day. Or any other day of your worthless trolling life.

          Problem MAFIAA Troll?

      • asdf

        File sharing isn’t illegal, in ANY country. File sharing has been going on for how long now? Humans shared information and media well before the internet came along, we even shared information when we were drawing on rock walls with rocks.

        • Internet sent me

          The internet is filesharing.

      • GrandPa

        wonder how ISP’s would respond if 50% of their customers switched to another provider or quit the internet [for several months] once receiving these extortion threats? Seems even the mafia isn’t as greedy!

        • Anon

          I think you have a wonderful idea there, Grandpa. Quit the internet for several months. Please.

        • Anomnomnom!

          I think it’s safe to assume that the majority would refuse to pay the price premium for high speed internet access if they can’t use it in ways they feel to be morally acceptable. There are always the super cheap alternatives, dial up for example, if all one is allowed to do is check their e-mail and surf web pages. It’s more than fine for that and any ISP which refuses to honor their privacy agreement or stand up for their customers deserves to see their customer base shift away to other services. This is part of how a free market is supposed to work after all, whether you agree with the motives or not.

        • IDIOCRACY

          Anon means switch providers…. he is a bit demented, he keeps repeating the same nonsense all the time

      • MadAsASnake

        However, the IP “evidence” is so poor it would get thrown out of any respectable court. The ISP is not protecting infringing customers, it’s protecting customers. Now, if you trolls can figure out a way of getting reliable evidence, this might be a different argument.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “We’ll see how long the worlds ISP’s think it is good business to risk their own business hiding customers who continue to infringe by fulfilling their duties as ‘common carrier’ and messenger service.”

        Fixed that for you. I could ask for how long you think the post office will be able to support the drug trade given that by your arguments they are as guilty of that particular crime.

        Or we could just assume that you are a blistering idiot with less sense of proportionality and reason of law than a concussed hamster on a bad acid trip.

      • OccamsKatana

        who can’t seem to stay within the law

        Allegedly. Learn that word.

        They are trying to run an isp, not a protection agency for subscribers

        Don’t you believe any business should protect the interest of their bread and butter: their paying customers? Or in your world, do the companies you pay money to sell you out just cuz…. ??? If I were you, I’d find another company to deal with.

        But then again, we all know your opinion is skewed. Or is that screwed?

      • Anon

        Why should they? They are trying to run an isp, not a protection agency for subscribers who seem to stay within the law. Now TekSavvy has to bear the expense of a lawyer for themselves. Good. gooood. Punishments. Noose is tightening.

        We’ll see how long the worlds ISP’s think it is good business to risk their own business hiding customers who continue to infringe, and by hiding I mean not going out of heir way to identify them to strangers, and by infringe I mean use the Internet. Thrashed. I will enjoy it :-)

      • icec0ld

        Good thing you are not an ISP, giving any ISP advice or a paid employee of ISP.

      • HghJsdf

        Be gone Troll.

    • Sense

      i agree, but it’s a small ISP. They will fight small ISP and when they got the perfect formula for Canada, then they will strike large scale.

      I’m with teksavvy and i will protect myself anyway.

      At least, teksavvy care for us. They are not distributing content, this is where it make a difference with the others ISP.

      • chronoss

        teksavvy is nation wide
        sorry and they have a few hundred thousand users at least
        they have massively expanded since bell canada and others started doing caps and they did not and in fact used there abilities to help users.

        • Sense

          Yes “Small” ISP could have been defined better. They don’t have same background of money than Bell, Roger, Videotron, etc.

          But I agree with you. The reason why I subscribed to Teksavvy is because i could have 200-300Go of upload/download per month when the duopoly Bell and Videotron offered 20-60Go

  • Spike

    So Marc was actually puzzled? I am quite embarassed to be a Teksavvy subscriber right now if thats the case. Everyone more than knew this would happen after C11 passed and there are plenty more gems that will surely be abused against individuals and the general tech industry here in Canada in the coming months.

    Seriously, the government already made specific damages laws for individuals, which gives clear open season that suing individuals is acceptable as in the previous code it was the general consensus was that it applied to only commercial infringement as thats what the law was originally designed to deal with. The industry knew exactly what they were doing when they bribed the Conservatives to pass this pile of C11 rubble so quickly…

    • Spike

      And before you industry morons chime in and claim it took almost a decade for this bullshit copyright reform to pass, well NEWS FLASH: IT DID NOT. Bad laws are still fucking bad.

      This pile STILL would had FAILED to pass if Harper didn’t get his majority government through an UNWANTED ELECTION that was triggered because of HIS OWN INCOMPETENCE! Copyright is a complex mess and going the way of C11 in the light of recent events in other countries was completely moronic and simply an act of ass kissing to the United States.

      • Anon

        I would suggest it is more “an act” of every country coming to realize that if a reliable, online, global marketplace is to exist for digital goods, piracy will be defined and pursued for what it is, trash on the internet, to an isp it’s “rubbish” they are better off without.

        • chronoss

          you better hope those robocall scams the govt did dont lead to its collapse and proof that it took an illegal govt to get a law….cause on that day your wish to have a new law disappears forver

        • MadAsASnake

          Fascinating that you mention a reliable marketplace when all the cooked evidence that these trolls pull out of their arses are about as far down the other end of that spectrum as it is possible to get. The Internet functions just fine without all of these extortion scams. When talking “trash”, I would note that the majority of claimants are way down the wrong end of that spectrum as well…

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          An act which has so far failed to work at all in any country in which it came.

          Remind me again, Baghdad Bob, How Iraq will win the war?

        • Anon Pirate

          so…..
          Corrupt governments to make new laws.
          Come take over the internet so you can profit.
          Disregard the reality of zero cost, for endless copies.
          Censor stuff you don’t like.
          Criminalize people rather than adapt, all for profit.

          The real trash on the internet are the ones who are trying to take it away from people.
          Don’t like it….GTFO and stop trying to take over the internet and make it a corporate shopping mall with payg traversing and 100% monitored usage.
          Enforce copyright, through spying on 100% of everything we say and do.

          The internet belongs to the people.
          Anti-pirates are useful idiots to the powerful who want control of the net.
          Copyright laws online are always abused…. and you idiot anti-pirates are so fucking retarded you can’t even see that profits are not really affected relatively by piracy.
          It’s the promise of (imaginary) more profits, more, more, more profit….that entices your idiocy to be useful to the powerful that want 100% control of the peoples internet.

          So when I say @Anon ……. you are retarded …… I mean it.
          Blinded by imaginary, theoretical profits and losses… you will do anything.

        • Anon

          “The internet belongs to the people. ”

          What bullshit. No wonder you are foolish, on the wrong side of history and hunted. Let me remind you of something.

          The internet “belongs” to the industries that made the cash investments and installed the physical infrastructure and leases you the access (as long as you pay your bill) that makes your little misguided online life possible in the first place.

          And as if that were not enough, it is also regulated by the governments in each jurisdiction and now the UN is writing rules to take over the entire thing. You, sir, are a misinformed and self-important idiot. The internet belongs to the people. lol whoo-boy. lololol Fucktard’s rule here. lol

        • Pelham123

          “The internet ‘belongs’ to the industries that made the cash investments and installed the physical infrastructure”

          You were so close yesterday and you blew it.

          You’re back to posting nonsense. A shame.

          I feel sorry for MPAA and RIAA members, who after all do have to make money at the end of the day and do not need you making them look stupid and psychotic.

        • OccamsKatana

          Ahhh, fighting for that NEW WORLD ORDER I see. Fascist much?

        • Anon Pirate

          @Anon

          My isp is owned by a private company, a group of people.
          My computer is owned by me ( a node on the internet )
          I help pay for the infrastructure.
          99.999999% of the servers online are owned by private individuals / companies.

          It’s the peoples internet. Deal with it.
          Or are 98%+ of the nodes online irrelevant now ?

          2,405,518,376 est. users online (nodes)
          44,000,000 est. servers online. (2% owned by google alone… fyi)
          Most companies have multiple servers.
           
           
           

          99.9% of nodes on internet being people = PEOPLES INTERNET.
           
           
           
           
           
           

          Keep being a useful idiot and push for the laws, a few in power want.

        • IDIOCRACY

          “I would suggest it is more “an act” of every country coming to realize that if a reliable, online, global marketplace is to exist for digital goods, piracy will be defined and pursued for what it is, trash on the internet, to an isp it’s “rubbish” they are better off without.”

          hahaha

          So that is why the dutch government will vote next week against a downloading
          prohibition, making it illegal to harass people doing so because then it will be legal by law to download. Now it is just not illegal because the law does not explicitly say so. Then it will explicitly say it is not illegal.

          Ad the ISP love the downloader, they actually advertised with their speeds as a benefit for downloading movies woehaha

          So again Anon, you made your own pants dirty and made an
          @ss out of yourself.

      • Anon

        How do you evidence Harper is “incompetent” if 1) he has the majority government, 2) he compelled an election he wanted but you did not 3) he won that election 4) then he passed the legislation HE wanted and now 5) pirates are having to deal with it all while you run your mouth off on TF.

        And you call HIM incompetent?
        hahahahaha

        • chronoss

          look up 57 conservative ridings under investigation for election fraud
          his majority only need lose 8 seats and all he has done should become nulled including all laws that have passed using that illegal majority.

          aint it nice the movie and music industry are using an illegal govt to sue canadains?

          IF i were anyone i’d bring this very issue upin court that unless the court determines hte harper govt is legit and thusly that the laws it has passed are legit
          then you cant persecute me and others until they have been found innocent of such …..

        • anon1

          over 60% of Canadians DIDN’T vote for Harper, so, therefore he is enforcing the will of the minority on the majority of Canadians, end of story.

        • RIAAtarded

          having a majority in canadian government doesn’t mean he was the best choice for the job but rather show a lack of better alternatives. just looking at the 61% voter turn out should tell you that way to many canadians find voting a waste of time. all politicians are the same no matter where you cast your vote. they say just enough to the right groups to get the vote then promptly ignore voters, back out of the promises you’ve made and just fulfill your own agenda.

      • Anon

        I would suggest it is more “an act” of every country coming to realize that if a reliable, online, global marketplace is to exist for digital goods, piracy will be defined and pursued for what it is, submissives who speak and act without begging permission of their masters, to an ISP fantasies of punishment are more important than business.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          Incredible. That’s almost, but not quite, the “Anon” we all know right there.

          Are you bucking for “Baghdad Bob”‘s job?

        • BrainJustlImploded

          Again that ISP mass Sado Maso shit. WTF is it with fantasies about punishment? Mentally retarded much? Oh wait… born without a brain. Some propaganda minister (we all know who judging by this nazi sympathiser) took a shit in your head = problem solved. Now try to learn how to shut that second brown eye of yours. And stop beating off on SM while spamming on here.

          This comes free of charge for you troll. Provided by two middle fingers.

    • chronoss

      5000 MAX for non commercial
      better hope the majority of those users are not on welfare or disability cause the maximums are 26/50 /month that one gets back , and it gets awfully expensive to hire lawyers i here especially when EACH case has to be heard individually as this form a case cannot be done class action wise

      enjoy fucktards its stupid day has arrived

      • MadAsASnake

        That is Max. Bet you that these idiots won’t bring a single case to court.

        • chronoss

          they already dropped a similar one in march and like i said if EVERYONE shows up and has a 3 hr speech to the court its gonna cost these terds a ton of money for lawyers….
          hehe

      • bobmail

        The problem here I think is that it may not be entirely non-commercial. If there is any promotional material in the torrents (even a “visit our site” text file which points to a site with any advertising or income potential) then it could be commercial in some manner. C11 isn’t exactly clear on this part.

        Further, while each case has to be handled separately, the $5000 (or $10000) would be excluding legal and fees to collect after the fact, and the judgement can be handed to a collection agency to enforce for you – and their fee added to the amount owing!

        Finally, remember that the Canadian justice system is not like the US system, it doesn’t have endless numbers of appeals and bullshit in it. At best you get a couple of swings at the apple and it’s pretty much all done.

        I would say that if you are a Teksavvy client right now using bit torrent, you should be shitting your pants.

        • glomzz

          I work in Accounts Receivables at FedEx… so I know the Collections agencies charge 15% for the first $1500 and 10% on each additional thousand. Quite lucrative for them if they can ever collect.

        • chronoss

          burden of proof is that they must prove it was non commercial
          first off and that is gonna be next to impossible if all you have is some ip addresses linked to some dudes names….

          really smarten up think about it what possible evident could tell you i am profiting and selling the movies im downloading unless you are video taping me at a store selling them ergo ( actual counterfeiting)

          there is never an exchange of funds for using bittorrent IN FACT
          i’d argue in court that im paying the distribution costs myself by downloading and then sharing back 1 to 1 that’s how it actually becomes NON COMMERCIAL….one might argue a straight download i am OUT CASH for the download as are the people serving me as i never give back what i took….

          one has to understand what “bandwidth sharing is”
          and that when i pay for my internet it isnt free.

          its why so many companies like bit torrent for patches and game updates cause were the smucks paying for the bandwidth…

          now one might try and argue that someone whom seeds 1000000 to one might be causing you harm but am i commercially making money …NO….and there in lies the rub of commercial versus non commercial….money has to exchange hands and i see non happening.

        • Scary_Devil_Monastery

          “The problem here I think is that it may not be entirely non-commercial. If there is any promotional material in the torrents (even a “visit our site” text file which points to a site with any advertising or income potential) then it could be commercial in some manner. C11 isn’t exactly clear on this part.”

          Normally and per standard practice, the border between “commercial” and “noncommercial” is quite stringent. And practiced accordingly.

          If you can show that an organization is run “for profit” – significantly retaining and utilizing anything over the required operating costs – then and only then do you get to strip that organization of it’s “non-for-profit” status.

          Tinker with that stringency in any way even remotely like you suggest and as net collateral the Salvation Army, the cancer Research Fund and similar volunteer organizations will be hit with the mother of all back tax forms. Or are you suggesting that texts to other non-profit organizations such as “Please Help!”, followed by a red cross sign and a link, should be similarly vouched to be “commercial”?

          Normally, torrent files do contain something along the lines of “If you like the film, support the artist and buy it” in a header. If you consider that as commercial incentive then by all means, I’m sure uploaders will be happy to remove the message.

          “I would say that if you are a Teksavvy client right now using bit torrent, you should be shitting your pants.”

          Similarly to how downloaders should have been shitting your pants in just about every other nation to undergo such mass collection schemes? Oh, wait. Statistically they still have to be five times more worried that they’ll be struck by lightning…

    • MadAsASnake

      I’d suggest “puzzled” is a colloquialism for reasons of politeness (ie not calling these extortionists out for what they are).

    • 1

      has nothing to do with C11, ip collected before c11.

  • anon1

    thanks again PM Harper, don’t let the door hit you on the way out after the next election.

  • chronoss

    BTW
    its one company not like the title says
    nice way to FUD your users

    • Menno Siebach

      they must have your name!

      • chronoss

        in fact they dont…im not dumb enough to get caught if i were to say do such crap.
        but im trying to help people that need it….its how i have always been as united hackers association president….and yes i am a teksavvy user too.

  • ToBobTim

    I sure hope people were smart enough to mask their IP addresses!

    Surf-Data.tk

    • 534

      Spam link drop reported to Dot.TK

  • Menno Siebach

    “In a statement TekSavvy CEO Marc Gaudrault says he is “puzzled” by the approach taken by Voltage.

    “It seems contrary to the government’s intent with copyright reform, which was to discourage file sharing lawsuits against individuals, while still protecting copyright holders’ rights,” Gaudrault says.”

    – do you really think C&D letters stop the minions? Ummmm, no.

    • chronoss

      reason: cost to show up to court : 3-5K
      if ten percent are disability cases then you walk away from 230 cases with 50 times 230 = 10500 for spending 600K + then you have to make that up…also the dummies sued for ten K when 5K is the max BUT the repercussions are that cause its over 7K you are able to get legal aid….

      and these cases are not class actionable….as far as i know they cannot be done on mass each person is allowed to have his or her case heard.
      OH the intent is nto to punish downlanders and file shareers but to punish countereiters and those selling disks and ip material of which none appear to be doing.

      and unlike the title its one request cause the others have brain cells and know its not worth it

      • ScrewEwe2

        Leave the poor countereiters alone. W hat teh hell have they ever done to hurt anyone?

        • chronoss

          downloading a movie is not counterfeiting buddy
          A) i made no money so how does that apply
          B) you still have the real original
          nice try shill
          back to trying to extort people for crap again right
          cause only the ignorant will set YOU FREE

        • ScrewEwe2

          Chronoss you ignorant motherfucker, let me break it down for you. The post was meant to be humorous and not a blatant insult. You’re good at making a fool out of yourself without me stepping in. You used the word “countereiters” instead of “counterfeiters”, a mere typo on your part. Are “countereiters” “counter readers”? Your typing skills are shit, most of the time, so I typed “W hat” and “teh”. You seem to use “teh” “moar” than not.

          “downloading a movie is not counterfeiting buddy
          A) i made no money so how does that apply
          B) you still have the real original”

          How did you imagine to construe that I was saying anything about you, movies or how you make money from reading my post? All in the fuck I was doing was throwing a fairly harmless dig about your counterfeiters typo.

          “nice try shill
          back to trying to extort people for crap again right
          cause only the ignorant will set YOU FREE

          Nice try shill? Have you paid any attention to my posts?

          back to trying to extort people for crap again right
          cause only the ignorant will set YOU FREE? Extort who, extort what, you must have me mixed up with some other Screw You type.

          cause only the ignorant will set YOU FREE? You can’t set me free dumbshit. I;m allready free, Mr President of the hackers united blah blah bullshit.

          If you are the future of Canada, Canada is screwed.

    • Lucid

      What stops the minions is when the monies run out. This is why it’s commendable what TekSavvy is doing – educating others to starve the beast.

  • Anon

    The maximum someone can get asked for in Canada in 5K, so these guys can fuck off.

    • Anon

      and ISP logs are only held for 90 days in Canaduh. So if it was more than 3 months ago they don’t know who has what IP.

      • 424

        And you think it matters if it’s the right person or not?

    • Anon

      Don’t forget the thrashings.

  • Milkyday

    Is this true that a VPN just encrypts the content but does not truly hide your IP address?

    ???? 15 minutes ago in reply to Geeky One
    not how it works.

    They connect to a swarm and scrape ip addresses.
    Get info from isp, on who paid for that ip at that time.
    Send out threatening letter to person who paid for the ip.

    Wifi can be hacked, ip’s can be spoofed, subscriber may have no knowledge of anyone using the ip to download.

    In all reality they have no knowledge on who did what so they scare people to settle even when their case would not hold up in court.
    IP address is not evidence of a person.
    They would have to search the actual device, find the file and prove ownership of the computer.

    An IP address as circumstantial flaky “evidence”.
    All masquerading as “you’re Fucked, now pay us or else”

    Encryption does not hide your IP address. It makes the data you send unreadable to anyone intercepting it.

    Flag

    • Vpn is not encryption

      Vpn and encryption are two different things.

    • Warer

      I think he was referring about encryption (like https), vpn hides your ip, all the content goes through a tunnel, the other side looks the tunnels ip not yours. The only way they can get your ip is by asking to the vpn provider.

      https just hides the information not your ip, this is for http encrypted communication, vpn also encrypts though

    • pat patterson

      VPN is a protocol that utilizes a tunnel-like atmosphere which is encrypted using different methods /pptp/l2tp/openVPN with varying methods password, preshared key, file-based hashed keys, etc.

      So if you use a VPN, your home IP is sitting in wait for authorities to knock on VPN door. Many of them give the IP address out no problem, willingly, according to the ‘law’ — which is RIDICULOUS. They have to keep logs, period. And this is the problem. LOGS.

      You can chain-link proxies, and SSH, and other tunneling schemes then go through a VPN to encrypt… but the overhead is ridiculous and your MAC addy/IP can still get noticed. You can hide, but really its extremely hard unless you have friends with their own secured fiber somewhere and NO logs.

      • Guest

        @pat patterson
        “So if you use a VPN, your home IP is sitting in wait for authorities to knock on VPN door. Many of them give the IP address out no problem, willingly, according
        to the ‘law’ — which is RIDICULOUS. They have to keep logs, period. And this is the problem. LOGS.”

        This is completely false. Canada has no mandatory data retention law, and even in countries with such laws these mostly do not apply to VPN services.

        “BTGuard will sell out eventually… They can’t pretend much longer really. They store for x period of time, but its still stored and documented.”

        Prove it, or admit you are lying.

        Unless you know something about the operation of BTguard, which you likely don’t you are just a troll.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        “They have to keep logs, period. And this is the problem. LOGS.”

        Lies, damn lies, and even more damn lies. Any VPN which keeps logs after providing a ToS which clearly states it does not is guilty of fraud. It’s that simple.

        In fact, most laws of electronic communication actually prohibit, expressly, such logging to start with.

        “t… but the overhead is ridiculous and your MAC addy/IP can still get noticed.”

        All right and now we know you are completely clueless as to how VPN works.
        In what dreamworld of yours does EVER a mac adress transfer? And the only way ip can show is if you yourself are leaking like an idiot, which is the hallmark of not using a semi-decent client (which today are pretty much point-click-go).

        In short, pat pattersson, thank you for lying through your teeth to the poor man.

        However, it does bear noticing that the copyright trolls trying to intimidate the noobs are getting both bolder and blunter.

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      Actually…with a VPN what happens is that you establish an encrypted tunnel between your own computer (computer A) and another computer, located elsewhere (computer B).

      What then happens is that every time you try to transfer any sort of information (browsing, uploading, downloading, gaming, whatever) in reality A asks B to pass the request to whatever host contains what you need (computer C).

      C then answers B, meaning the only ip adress revealed is that of your VPN provider. You could be one of a million different users and no one would ever know whose traffic emanating from computer B was actually yours.

      The VPN provider is the only one who can make the link that A was asking for B to contact C. And they are usually legally bound not to log such information, meaning that the link drops as soon as you close the session.

  • quawonk

    If Teksavvy were serious about protecting its users, it would provide links to proxy services that people can use to hide their IP. Not necessarily owned by Teksavvy itself (which the bought court system could force them to log activity and cough up on demand), but 3rd party ones that are known to be reliable and trustworthy.

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  • Windlasher

    So how does this affect sites like BTGuard who are located in Canada. How will they target them? BTG says they don’t keeps logs, but if the snoopers are looking at IP addresses, that point back to BTG, whats the deal here? Anyone, Bueller, Bueller?

    • pat patterson

      BTGuard will sell out eventually… They can’t pretend much longer really. They store for x period of time, but its still stored and documented.

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        If they did, they’re dead. It’s that simple. If you tell your customers you keep no logs and do so anyway, the company is gone.

        And you can keep lying about how VPN providers are forced by law to keep logs if you like, but the reality is it’s the other way around.

        Even in a country within the EU where data retention laws ARE in effect, the VPN’s are sacrosanct. Which can be noted from the massive surge of swedish VPN providers leaping onto the market.

  • Guest

    “What will follow is a claim for more than CAD$10,000, but will people really pay that to make a weak case go away?”

    Wasn’t there an article on here a few days ago that stated that the court will limit damages amount awarded to copyright holders to $5,000 which is half the amount quoted above in the pay up or else letters. Why pay this company $10,000 for not going to court when by going to court you will only have to pay $5,000 half the amount if found guilty.

    • 425

      What’s funny is that Voltage Pictures will spend more than $5,000 or even $10,000 to goto court for each case for court and other legal fees.

      • MadAsASnake

        When have they ever actually gone to court? I mean with something like a real claim with evidence?

  • Warer

    .

  • Guest

    Wow, Anon has a serious hard-on for Evan Stone and Andrew Crossley. He’s milking the legacy of their copyright trolling like he milks industry phallus.

    • Anon

      I milk my own phallus imagining what is to come and WTF is wrong with you people.

  • Who

    the best thing for you Canadians to do is educate your self’s and find out what your copyright law is currently and if it has been changed at all in the past 10+ years.
    also find out what your internet laws are. like weather or not spying one you is even legal. and GET a VPN.

    I also read a comment that VPN and encryption are to different things. yep they are but whats the point of a VPN if its not encrypted? the P in VPN stands for PRIVET.
    this means that NO ONE should be able to see whats going on.. on it PERIOD.

    • IDIOCRACY

      And even IPv6 is now secure through a VPN if you use a VPN that is (will be) running new Linux Kernel 3.7 that allows NAT on IPv6. hehe

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        Oh, yes. and Finally.

    • Paul85rain

      most VPN are worthless, there are ways to unmask your ip address

      • Anyone

        please do tell

      • Scary_Devil_Monastery

        And if you reveal how to unmask “most” ip adresses tunneled through a VPN, there is a nice nobel price just waiting for you to collect it.

        aside from ipv6 leaking on older protocols such as PPTP I would have to say you really need to give us a clue as to why you make such grandiose claims.

    • Roachdaddy

      Privet is a hedge.

  • test test

    When I send pirated movies from my house to my buddy’s house I use a separate wire not hooked to the telephone or internet. We transmit it at 300 baud with our modems from 1980 and no one is the wiser. My own personal little internet.

    • Mm22

      You’re not transferring anything other than Zork at 300 baud my friend.

      • Windlasher

        Go Zork

    • ScrewEwe2

      Have you tried 2 tincans and some string? I haven’t tried it myself yet, but it’s supposed to be the next big thing by the mid ’80′s.

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  • Johnny Public

    In case anyone wants to send Canipre a message…

    Canipre
    Canadian Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement

    15400 Pierrefonds Blv
    Suite 307
    Montreal, Quebec
    H9H 5L5

  • http://www.NickYeoman.com Nick Yeoman

    Wow I hope nobody is downloading on my neighbours public wireless. Hello person who doesn’t even know how to setup a wireless password, here is a bill for $10,000 for your bit torrent use.

    Awesome

    • Scary_Devil_Monastery

      “Hello person who doesn’t even know how to setup a wireless password isn’t a system administrator or network tech…”

      Fixed that for you. Given the reaver hardware hack, not even WPA is safe. Unless the router owner continually monitors his network usage 24/7, all it takes is for one teen with a ‘tude to do the “point-click-crack” stunt today and he owns your router in seconds.

  • Phil Landry

    I’m a Teksavvy custommer, and I haven’t downloaded any of the shitty voltage movies. http://www.voltagepictures.com/titles.aspx

    • Anonymous2

      Ya looked at that Phil, no wonder they want to do this their movies are terrible ones and failed at profit.

      • Robert Vogler

        They are hard up for bucks, haven’t had a film with theatrical release for a while, and have been putting out crap like D2DVD Steven Seagal “action” films… the most action is watching him gain weight.
        Voltage’s films http://www.imdb.com/company/co0179337/ really have been crap, oddly they seem to get washed up has beens involved like Robert Redford, who probably suck up a chunk of the production budget. Tough to pay for when your films wind up in the 2 for 1 bin at the dollar store.

  • pat patterson

    I cannot believe this is legal in Canada. We already pay the some of the MOST expensive fees for overage and usage in the world, period. Now we are subject to ‘trolls’ coming in when they please because its fashionable right now in the USA and abroad and all those Echelon and other spynetwork linked countries…

    This is far, far bigger than someone sharing a movie over the BIttorrent (absolutely genius) protocol. If anyone is liable it is Bram Cohen for coding it… So because your ‘IP” is on some stupid tracker…

    My prediction: next 1-2 months, a SUPER proxy service will come out and completely scramble this weak device. Imagine TOR on steroids.

    • Gloomfrost

      Actually I think (and hope) that this will be the landmark case to scare trolls away from Canada for good – that’s what C11 was made for, and that’s what the Canadian government firmly believes. They even mentioned ‘speculative invoicing’ schemes SPECIFICALLY when drafting it. I bet you that they won’t even get a court order lol.

      While the U.S. promises $150,000 per infringement rewards in a default judgement, Canada’s $5,000 max for combined makes the cost/benefit ratios very different. Plus we have a lot less people in general, and our ISP’s are on the clients’ sides as well (such as TekSavvy making the FAQ).

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  • Gloomfrost

    This post should be edited. It’s $5,000 damage MAXIMUM for ALL infringements combined for a non-commercial order, and knowing our court system, it’ll be more like $150 max (if found guilty). C11 is designed to protect against this trolling bullshit, and I hope the people affected will opt to go to court – which the trolls won’t, they’ll just drop the case because they probably know the court will not give them anything.

    To whoever said ‘it may be commercial’, no, it’s still a non-commercial user. What the torrent has in it is irrelevant (including a referral .txt).

    Will be interesting to see how this turns out. I almost guarantee trolls will lose here. Also, just living here I can tell you that TekSavvy users are on average slightly more in-the-know than Bell/Rogers customers, so they chose the wrong people to target.

    • Asdf

      From my understanding, the 100-$5000 was made so in December. The copyright infringements they are looking at are from BEFORE that, which means those cases would fall under the old penalties. new laws are not retroactive.

  • Gloomfrost

    .

  • chronoss

    ONE they have to prove in court commercial infringement to get more then 5K
    and failing that and i’ll add everyone in hte suit show up and demand
    A) that the charges be read to you
    B) that you have your say
    that lone will mean this case takes so long that they will go bankrupt before its done.

    ALSO anonymous has some nfo for you all.
    http://pastebin.com/5eUP7qL5

  • http://profiles.google.com/zerianis10 Christopher Kidwell

    Again, this demonstrates why we need laws that say that unless you can pin infringement to a specific COMPUTER, not just an IP address, you have not met the legal standard of proof.

  • Pavel

    It’s not worth the hassle for a few extra dollars… Time for a VPN. Any recommendations ?

    • Walter

      I use fast vpn http://www.fastvpn.me/ I really like that they are not located in north america which makes me feel safer…

      • Pavel

        Thanks Walter I will give it a try…

    • Concerned Canuck

      I’ve been using http://www.vpnbook.com and haven’t had a problem. They are in Switzerland with server in Romania. It’s completely free and have gotten descent speeds but not super fast.

      • Pavel

        Does not work… Could not even connect…

  • Rickards

    i wonder why they chose teksavvy — a low-end leasing company. i’m not sure how the court decision is determined (to release user information), but is teksavvy supposed ti make any sort of defense to protect their customers, or is it simply a decision that a judge makes to force them to comply?

  • http://twitter.com/a_w_young a_w_young

    Another disgusting thing is that is worth looking at:
    How much more money will they make through predatory litigious behaviour vs. sales of their terrible movies?

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