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Canadians Caught as Copyright Consultation Nears Conclusion

The Canadian government is conducting ongoing public consultations on copyright reform. In a guest post for TorrentFreak Prof. Michael Geist of the University of Ottawa explains why Canadian Internet users should speak out on copyright today.

Guest post by Michael Geist.

Seven weeks ago, the Canadian government launched the first national copyright consultation since 2001. The consultation, which has featured town hall meetings, by-invitation-only roundtables, an online discussion forum, and an open submission process, has attracted considerable interest with over 4,000 submissions to date.

While the overwhelming majority of those submissions have called for balanced reforms that would strengthen fair dealing, create a liability safe harbour for intermediaries, and link any new anti-circumvention rules to actual copyright infringement, there is reason for concern.

There are only six days left in the consultation and the thousands that have spoken out for fair copyright – the students, teachers, Internet users, software programmers, privacy advocates, librarians, and a growing number of creators – now find themselves under attack from two sides.

On one side stand well-known copyright lobby groups such as the Canadian Recording Industry Association, the Canadian Motion Pictures Distributors Association, and the Entertainment Software Alliance. These groups largely represent foreign interests and have consistently called on the Canadian government to adopt the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act as its legislative model.

They invariably claim that Canada should be embarrassed by the current state of copyright law and propose solutions that involve a combination of DMCA-style anti-circumvention rules, a three-strikes and you’re out system that could see users cut off from the Internet, and a rejection of any new flexibilities within fair dealing.

To support those positions, the groups turned out en masse for a public town hall meeting in Toronto late last month, resulting in multiple interventions from record label executives (four from Warner Music alone). Packing the room ensured that there was virtually nothing heard from education and consumer groups, many of whom could not even attend the town hall since all the tickets were scooped up in less than five days.

Standing on the other side are copyright creator groups such as Access Copyright and the American Federation of Musicians. Access Copyright opened the consultation by ominously warning its members that “users outnumber us” and claiming that the debate is dominated by people do not believe that authors should get fair compensation for digital and other reproductions of their work (so far five out of 4038 submissions have called for the elimination of copyright).

Meanwhile, the American Federation of Musicians circulated an email to creator groups calling a leaflet distributed by an opposition Member of Parliament “disgusting” since it supported stronger fair dealing. These groups are pushing for an expanded levy system and have been quick to criticize users that don’t agree or offer up alternatives.

Faced with these vocal lobbying efforts, Canadians have just a few days left to ensure that their voices are heard. The town halls and roundtables are now over. The best way to speak out is through the online submission process that takes only a few minutes to complete. Authors such as Cory Doctorow and David Collier-Brown, technology companies such as Tucows, and groups such as Project Gutenberg Canada, the Documentary Organization of Canada, the Canadian Alliance of Student Associations have all already done so.

Now is the time for Canadians concerned with copyright to add their voices. Websites such as SpeakOutOnCopyright.ca, CCER.ca, Vancouver Fair Copyright, and Digitalagenda.ca provide tools to learn more about the issues and process submissions. If you already know what you want to say, simply send an email to info@copyrightconsultation.gc.ca. Once you have spoken out, tell your friends, send the submission to your local Member of Parliament, and raise awareness that the consultation deadline is Sunday, September 13th.

Many Canadians felt anger and frustration when the government introduced DMCA-style legislation in 2008. The next six days provide a great opportunity to do more than just complain. They offer the chance to help influence the next copyright bill. Don’t wait – speak out on copyright today.

Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. He can reached at mgeist@uottawa.ca or online at www.michaelgeist.ca.

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  • Flubaluba

    Copyright law was enacted to encourage production of works of art, music,film,technology etc.

    Copyright is now being used to stifle innovation.

    Therefore the law should be changed and any group not wanting there music/technology to be used to advance any other technology should be sued for restricting peoples right to innovate.

  • MM99

    Adapt DMCA? No, thanks….

  • MM99

    Good debate going on at the Copyright Consultancy site…

  • anon2

    sorry guys. you are too late. just like the rest of the world. the bloody yanks still seem to think that they are the dogs bollocks and everyone has to do exactly the same as them and what they say. things will only change for the worse. the internet has already lost it’s ‘neutrality’. until the copyright organisations are hit hard enough in the pocket so that it really hurts they are going to continue down the same road. falsely accusing and suing individuals, the poor and the elderly to try to make money that they would not have otherwise have made because too much of the music and movies put out is shit! the artists (that get virtually nothing out of it anyway) can see the error of the ways and how it is alienating the public but still do nothing about it either!

  • Bobe-On (We are all orca)

    I’ve suggested before, including here on TF, that, essentially, any human law designed to control information is merely going to get dragged by the inevitable.

    As a town hall audience member in Ottawa this summer, I raised the concept of mesh nets with Michael Geist, where a Google rep., who was in the audience as well, took up the question, along with two others from the audience. It was then that I learned a little more about spectrum and its legal reform.

    I’ve done further research on it and feel fairly confident that, despite any puny human laws and efforts to the contrary, the laws of nature will prevail, as they always have, and information will continue along its merry paths.

    So fear not, my fellow orca. We may be… treading the tides of change without a ship in a sea of sharks, but we are all orca… ;D

  • Anonymous

    Mooses is time for you to express yourselves :)

  • DOC

    I would just like to make a quick correction on behalf of the Documentary Organization of Canada(DOC) for this posting.

    We have stated our position on our website in the form of talking points so that our membership can participate on the online forums. Our written submission is being drafted currently and will be submitted in the near future.

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  • Trelew

    Unfortunately this all is just a PR smoke screen because the Canadian government has always submitted to corporate greed and the US government.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something already drafted up by some conglomerate of corporations for the Canadian government to sign even before this whole thing started. It’s not our government that controls things it’s the corporations with their deep pockets and back-room politics with politicians and high-level government bureaucrats.

  • mattias

    @1 just said it all

  • phishybongwaters

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something already drafted up by some conglomerate of corporations for the Canadian government to sign even before this whole thing started.”

    I’d be surprised if it wasn’t, that’s how Government, and lobbyists, work

    Don’t forget our government works for us, and this isn’t the US YET, if enough people demand FAIR copyright, and get as loud and in their face as they can, they will listen.

    If you are a Canadian and haven’t sent a letter to the government or your local MP get off your fat ass and do it now, if you have the time to read these comments, you could have already done it. You have no excuse not to.

    Take our country back from big corporate

  • :(

    Its sad how right #8 is….fuck the gov

  • Trelew

    Actually I have written to the various levels on government on this and other subjects. For the most part the typical reply is a form letter thanking me for supporting our government. This tends give me the impression that some clerk circle filed it before it was read by anyone important.

    Despite this I will continue to write, bitch, complain, and otherwise get in the face of politicians who would rather bend to corporate greed.

  • Canadia

    Canada is kissing America’s ass.

  • 7SeVeN7

    i have submitted my opinions to Digitalagenda.ca
    BUT in reality, no matter what bill gets passed into law, WE PIRATES WILL MARCH ON UNABATED AND UNAPPOSED!!!!!

  • kicker

    Canada will never stop file sharer
    http://www.Speed.cd is in Canada and many good rippers are on this site ,

  • Fugasmic

    I find it staggering the the US MAFIAA are consistantly trying to get governments to implement that ridiculous 3 strikes sytem in every other country yet it isnt even implemented in their own. I say fuck em all in the ass with rusty pipe.

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  • Joe

    we need to hire some private investigators. any record exec’s with young kids are guaranteed to be downloading music with limewire for example.

    If we can prove their own kids are file sharing it’ll be guaranteed that they’ll stop coming after anyone else.

    File sharing exists everywhere, even if someone borrows a cd from a friend, it’s sharing music.

  • zXstanyXz

    a link to http://www.saveournet.ca/ should probably also have been included in the article as well :)

    i’ve done my bit, i hope everyone else will do theirs in sending mail to our government to help make for a fairer internet and for fairer copyright laws

  • VancouverDave

    Why is copyright longer than a patent?
    Surely a catchy tune is not more important than a life-saving drug or a more efficient engine.

  • RIAAtarded

    If your Canadian take the time to follow the link and get involved. CCER.ca has a form email you can send all of 2 minutes. Let your voice be heard before the crap in other countries ends up here too. Sorry but any law the turns me into a criminal if I download my tv shows as opposed to recording to a DVR which is legal is nuts. Million dollar settlements for 99 cent songs on itunes….All this based on flawed info and an ignorance to the technology that became apparent in TPB trail.

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  • wtf

    @13

    WE PIRATES WILL MARCH ON UNABATED AND UNAPPOSED!!!!!

    You’re very abated, and very opposed.

    What are you on about?

  • CRIAp

    I am Canadian. Many Canadians feel our own sense of pride and unique identity. We appreciate and love our neighbours across the border, but we are proud to be different culturally, morally, spiritually and ethically.

    I’ve gotten a sense that we do not like another country telling us how we should conduct ourselves, particularly other governments or corporations. We certainly don’t like outsiders limiting our freedom, speech, access to information and telling us to either join or else we are all against them.

    These tactics don’t play very well here in Canada. While we are willing to cooperate in ways that make perfect sense and is beneficial to both parties, we don’t see eye to eye on certain things. We don’t like big corporate bullies picking on little people. We don’t like big corporations dictating us on what we can or can not do. We certainly don’t like big corporations limiting our access to information no matter what that information is.

    We have watch dogs here that operate openly and publicly keeping an eye out for the people. Unfortunately, there is no watch dog group that is monitoring the activities of the music and movie industry making sure that they aren’t harming our children, families and their futures, as well as large corporations that are bribing, buying and brainwashing our politicians and lawmakers. The movie and music industry are a mafia and only care about getting richer, and they know how to operate stealthily and illegally to ensure that they always come out on top.

    Essentially, corporations wish to completely eliminate all access to information to someone who may wish to download or share a 0′s and 1′s whether it contains copyrighted information or not. Families communicate with others on instant messengers, social networking sites, e-mail and more. The way things are today, for some people this is the ONLY way that we keep in touch with family and friends. Just because a kid decides to download an music file or movie, doesn’t mean that EVERYONE should be punished, and that no one could ever be allowed to access all information or communication ever again.

    There is also danger and harm to children and families. If a corporation has the ability to sue a single income family for $20,000 per set of 0′s and 1′s, this can lead to tremendous emotional, mental and financial stress on an entire family, and the effects are long term and most likely permanent. That family will also never buy media ever again. Neither will anyone that knows the family. The family would have to file for bankruptcy and the corporations won’t see a dime.

    So not only is a DMCA-style harmful and dangerous to families, but it is also pointless. It accomplishes absolutely nothing other than harming families and causing more harm than good for the businesses that they are trying to protect.

    Corporations should continue making products, and make very good high quality products that people will actually want to spend money on. Many people can afford to buy media and prefer to try before they buy. I recommend not harassing or biting the hand that feeds you.

    Suing a kid and his family today has a long term negative repercussion on the corporations, they just lose them as a customer for life, and probably all other generations after that as well.

    It also creates negative publicity. The first low income family with a disabled child that they attack will further destroy their business. Then the corporations and whine, complain and fabricate that their sales are going down due to piracy. Well they’re right, pirates will be responsble for lost sales, but only because the corporations have ruining their own repuation.

    I would imagine that the RIAA and MPAA themselves are responsible for millions and perhaps even billions of dollars in sales a year due to the negative publicity they’ve created themselves by suing dead people, low income families and college students. If they turned a blind eye and simply avoid bad publicity for themselves sending millions of potential customers to find out what The Pirate Bay is; they’d actually be earning more money.

    They need to rethink their entire strategy. They will lose business in Canada if they make any attempt to harass and sue those who can not afford their media.

    Trust me, negative publicity against a large corporation goes very very far in Canada. We won’t stand for abuse. We’ll all stop buying media products completely. Boycotts are a powerful tool here in Canada, and it would be very easy to boycott music and movies.

    So, for the RIAA/MPAA trolls that are reading comments here; you should pass this on to your bosses.

  • UNited Hackers Association

    what WHAT SO HE CAN CENSOR YOU
    THIS idiot GEIST IS GETTING ON MY NERVES HES A PANZY FOR THE LAWYERS AND LEGAL ARM OF THE EFF THAT DID JACK AND SHIT FOR THE USA

    NOW he says to speak out
    WHO where when how
    YOU censor everyone that matters geist
    YOU fooktard

  • http://www.eZee.se www.eZee.se

    Its a stacked deck, even though i and other like me have written very polite comments… they dont get published.
    we were overly polite just to make sure we didnt break any rules and spoke out about excessive copyright… but were ignored.

    This is just a sham so they can later say “we asked the public for comments and after considering what they said we…”
    bastards, the whole lot of them and the horse they rode in on.

  • Bobe-On (G’ice’t)

    @23 UNited H.A.:

    Actually, Geist might have a vested interest in maintaining the integrity of lawyers in his apparent related field of legal specialization.
    If the industries and gov.’s continue on some paths vis-a-vis info control, many lawyers in the thick of it may also find themselves treading on thin ice vis-a-vis the public at large.
    Geist may, in a sense, have “no choice” but to wade in.

    Happy skating. ;]

  • Why are america sin’t implimenting the3 strikes rule

    In my humble opinion it is simple. For all the negative sh*te being thrown at US peeps forget that it is indeed a very large place and in a large place there will be opposition to everything. Unless there is some kind of mass hysteria initiated. So heres the hysteria for you.
    Hey senators the rest of europe and australia and NZ is leading the way here, citizens of the US listen to what is happening europe has done this and we must follow, to eradicate unauthorised file sharing and save the economy. Look at how much europe is(SUPPOSEDLY) saving the tax payer and generating more government income. We cannot be left behind. Come on citizens we must take a leaf out of europes book. Back us up on the anti file-sharing topic and we can reduce our national debt and make sure its beneficial to you the public.

    Thats my idea of the US propoganda machine. Everything in the world is played carefully like a game of chess. Lets them think they took your chess piece by their own when really it was a sacraficial lamb to enact CHECKMATE.
    Our lifes to these people in power are just pawns in a game that they will play with. But which chess player said that you can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent? A russian I think!!!

    P.S. Cause I said district9 movie was no good TF are not allowing me to post. Hey whats the prob guys, you not get your rock and roll from your missus or what. Go fek your selves then.

  • Why is my post awaiting moderation

    Hey whats up here at TF. Come on what gives.

  • you deleted my post

    there was nothing derogatory with my explanation as to why america hasn’t started the 3 strike rawdeal. what gives. Have you not had a piece and carry your b***s around in a wheel=barrow or something. Go download a pron torrent and relieve yourself then

  • gorehound

    Boycott The RIAA, MPAA, & Any other corporate asshole organization

    Stop buying any music from any corporate label and/or RIAA Signed Artist

    Buy only used DVD’s locally 1st and thru EBAY/Amazon 2nd

  • yos

    simple… never again purchase any music. at any cost. never again go and see, rent, or buy a movie. at any cost. if enough people just stop giving the labels and industry money, how long can they last?

    I say we tank em.
    sink that ship.

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    Again, if people were actually willing to pay for what they own, I don’t see how any of these proposed laws could be viewed as bad.

    Take the 3 strikes law. Uh, oh. Evil law! You actually have to own up for copyright infringement if you do it! If you didn’t actually commit any infringement, you would never have to worry about getting any strikes at all..

    That is exactly what these new laws aim to provide – fair transactions. Apparently, the concept of payment seems to have become like a long lost, ancient language. All that they want is for you to pay for your music, your movies, etc. They don’t want to send you to government run slave labor camps, brainwash you, or some absurd crap like that.

    Of course Canadians should be embarrassed about the state of copyright. With file sharing legal, what incentive did people have to pay for things? How could anyone actually make a living off of their work if every takes comfort in the notion that they are the only ones that matter?

    • http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com Ben Jones

      “If you didn’t actually commit any infringement, you would never have to worry about getting any strikes at all..”
      If only that were true. however, there have been many cases where people have been accused when they’ve not done anything, when they’ve not had a net connection, or even not had a pulse. In fact, as many cases in the US that have been ‘won’ have also been ‘lost’ and costs awarded to the defendants.

      You know what the main opposition to the 3-strikes laws is? That it circumvents due judicial process. If the evidence is so strong, why are they so opposed to court, and need this non-judicial method of punishment? What if 3 of our commenters decided to contact your ISP and make allegations that you had infringed their copyrights. Very little proof is actually needed, but you’re kicked offline.

      Oh, and you routinely commit copyright infringement, dozens of times a day – everyone does. Every time you go to a website, a copy is made in your cache. If you’ve not got a license for that copy, you’ve committed an infringment.

  • Anon

    Number 22 You said it perfect and so did 16, instead of fucking families in there ass’s with a rusty pipe I hope Canada will fuck em back with a doubled sized rusty pipe with shard’s of glass in there ass’s.

  • IFPI

    Canada has been a satellite state of the USA since the French took Ottowa in 1816

    these Canadian niggas think they are free but they are learning real quick who is the bossman

    Canadians need to stop their indian faggot freedom bullshit and get with the USA program *hooah*

    they already had a woman prime minister, wtf next?!?!

  • Sir-Real

    I absolutely love living in Canada because of our amazing privacy laws, now this??!!??!!??!1one

  • hamilton boy

    @34 Not sure wehter or not to call you homphobic or racist but i am certain that you are an idiot

  • Sir-Real

    @34 you are just plain retarded, no further comment. (BTW its Ottawa).
    And I totally agree with @36.

  • CRIAp

    @34 Sep 09, 2009 at 05:11 by IFPI

    Clearly, this person is a product of fetal alcohol syndrome inbreeding.

    It’s sad. It really really is.

  • Boycott

    My response as a consumer is to boycott purchasing any DVD, Bluray or CD disks.

    Most of this money does not go to the artist anyway. So if by boycotting purchasing their products I can help drive one of these companies bankrupt I will smile. Join me in sending them a message where it matters to them.

  • Canadia

    @21
    I’m saying that Canada frequently copies some elements of the USA, such as drug policies..I live in Canada and trust me our prime minister cant do shit!

  • Canadia

    oops responded to the wrong guy LOL sorry

  • Cordelia

    Great to hear some news from CANADA, the nicest country in North America!

    Usually the articles are (quite rightly) about the evilness of the greedy empire to the South of Canada… and in particularly the MAFIIA there…

    Or we get to here about the sufferings of the “common man” there, who has been brainwashed into thinking that he lives in the “land of the free”… Despite the fact that not even the health care is free! And the sharers get hunted down like Jammie and all the college kids that get sued..

    On the other hand, Canada seems like a great place for filesharers and everybody else. More from this great country, please!

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    Show me one case in which the entertainment industry manufactored evidence just so that they could steal the person’s soul..

    The problem with due judicial process is that the file sharing thieves often win and nothing changes.

    Look, ISPs don’t want custemors. They have no incentive to disconnect people for some evil, ulterior motive. There’s no conspiracy. They just want people to pay for things, and since asking them hasn’t exactly worked, they have no choice but to do what is in their best interest.

  • Anonymous

    sorry but people are already paying for the isp buddy.

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    Whoops, I meant, ISPs do want custemors. If they cut somone off, they won’t be making any money (ironically, the same is true for those that they enable their customors to steal from). So, if they cut someone off, it won’t be for fun. They would have a good reason for doing so.

    Cordelia, what do you mean by the greedy empire? Isn’t someone that doesn’t pay 2 cents for what they own greedy? How does not wanting all your stuff to be given away for free make someone greedy?

  • Recton Kracke

    Nothing will change anytime soon.
    Its CANADA ffs. Canadian politics are ssllooww and the current government will likely collapse shortly.
    Election time {again}= this goes back burner, again.

  • Kai

    Rather than keeping a ship full of holes afloat, its is far better off to sink it and create a new one in it’s place, with far better foundations…

    Same thing applies to everything human related i guess…
    Laws, properties, media… Time beats the hell out of all of them by default…

  • Bobe-On

    31 Sep 09, 2009 at 04:05 by .neo.styles|nvDX wrote:
    “Again, if people were actually willing to pay for what they own, I don’t see how any of these proposed laws could be viewed as bad.”

    Perhaps it’s because you haven’t read up on it. You seem to be busy here playing one side of the argument without researching the other side.

    Many don’t think that the crap that the industry dishes out is worth anything anyway. I rarely download any commercial stuff anymore.

    “Take the 3 strikes law. Uh, oh. Evil law! You actually have to own up for copyright infringement if you do it! If you didn’t actually commit any infringement, you would never have to worry about getting any strikes at all..”

    I would think that one would have to be pretty insane to be releasing works in this day and age, literally to the digital wind, and expecting no one to pick up, copy and share what’s blowing around.

    “Apparently, the concept of payment seems to have become like a long lost, ancient language.”

    It seems to be becoming that way, given all kinds of copyrighted “digital paper” blowing around like garbage after an outdoor concert.

    “All that they want is for you to pay for your music, your movies…”

    Well if it’s, as you say, ‘our’, music, movies, etc., then why should we pay for something that’s already ours? ;)

    “Of course Canadians should be embarrassed about the state of copyright.”

    Should shmould. I’d be embarrassed to make the kind of arguments you make.

    “How could anyone actually make a living off of their work…?”

    They try another career/business/business model.

    If you can’t sell snow to us Canadians in the middle of winter, then you look for another way to make money. You don’t sue us to buy your snow.

  • lverona

    The repeated argument that people who download then buy is weak and artificial. It also misses the point as it tries to say that the old scheme of selling copies of works can still work.

    It can’t. I also doubt that most people who download then buy. I stopped buying DVDs when a legal DVD I bought stopped working after a couple of months with me having watched it only once. I decided to never spend money on a DVD – a downloaded file won’t give up on me and I can always download it again.

    Buying physical media will never be a serious business anymore, so I suggest that the argument of “we download and then buy” should not be used. It is an invalid argument and most people who download do not buy what they download. They simply have no reason to and very often no possibility. Buying because you are a fan is, really, a pretty special and rare case.

    We have to make it clear that there should be no link between the income of artists and copies of their work. This is a link that will not work anymore. The business model should not be tied up to selling copies. And we should also remind the “industry” that most of the human history there was no selling of copies – that appeared only in the XX century with the coming of vinyls, tapes and discs. Before that musicians survived somehow, hadn’t they?

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    So what do you think artists get in return for their work (or atleast what they would get under a fair, legal transaction) magical candy elves? People choose to sell their work because that is how they make a living off of their passion. Except now, when given the internet, people’s seem to have been given the green light to just grab everything without paying a cent. People think they are the only ones that matter. Yeah, this stuff just grows on trees, right?

    Show me an actual business model that is “up to date” and can result in profits for the artist.

  • .neo.styles|nvDX

    Perhaps it’s because you haven’t read up on it. You seem to be busy here playing one side of the argument without researching the other side.

    Uhm, like most laws, you don’t have to worry about facing the other end, if you don’t do the crime. WHat pirates hate about these laws is simple : accountability. They have to actually act like a mature person and take responsibility for their actions. They are used to a world in which they can just sit in their little bubble, and no one will care or know about anything they do online.

    Many don’t think that the crap that the industry dishes out is worth anything anyway. I rarely download any commercial stuff anymore
    Yeah, that’s exactly why millions of people download it and never pay 2 cents to it’s creators.

    I would think that one would have to be pretty insane to be releasing works in this day and age, literally to the digital wind, and expecting no one to pick up, copy and share what’s blowing around.

    “It’s easy to do the wrong thing, so that makes it okay” doesn’t work. If I wanted my neighbors TV, there is nothing to stop me from taking it, but does that make it okay?

    It seems to be becoming that way, given all kinds of copyrighted “digital paper” blowing around like garbage after an outdoor concert.

    This just proves how much the internet has misled people. Many people have become so caught up in the fact that you can get tons of free things, that they have forgotten that the reality of the system is that you are supposed to pay for what you own.

    Well if it’s, as you say, ‘our’, music, movies, etc., then why should we pay for something that’s already ours? ;)

    I meant, it’s yours after you pay for it, or.. I guess after you download it. According to the law, it’s not yours technically until you contribute money towards the people who made it.

    They try another career/business/business model.

    So in other words, pirates have the right to tell people what career they should choose. Or how about this.. Show me an actual business model that works.

  • PlentyofTorrents.com

    No thanks we’ll stick with our Canadian model.

  • BonRurgundy

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    The CRIA, CMPDA, ESA”ofCanada”, every other lobby who is trying to push one-sided legislation, thinking they will go unopposed.

    Submit your comments to the copyright consultation even tho its probably just a dog and pony show.

  • MuckMoe

    In Canada we have been ahead of the copyright curve.
    We already pay a tax on every blank
    media we buy. Its been that way for
    years.The money is supose to suport
    the artists.So when you put uncle
    fred’s wedding on dvd the artist gets his share. I’m still waiting
    for my (artist check)to be mailed
    to me.So come to Canada and try and
    sue us , we have an answer already.
    I have paid the artist already.
    That will hold up in court.

  • WhiteTiger

    personally, I think it would easier to just flat-rate everything to a fixed time period. Example: 20 years. Patents in the U.S go up to 90 years (i.e. This forced the now infamous break up of Bell into baby-bells).

    I just think that laws are too complicated and are created that way to discourage growth unless you are a slave to the corps.

    My vote is to flat-rate everything (patent, copyright, intellectual property – the whole ball of whacks) to 20 years and after that it falls to open license or public domain.

  • United Hackers Association

    like the scam called the copyright consultation
    that had the govt muddle the submissions , like how gesit helped kick it all off with a happy the conservatives changed there minds aobut a billc61 style law
    how
    of 4100 applications only 100+ call for reduction of copyright when in fact most of canada is calling for it

    media owned by the same hollywood shills doesn’t give light to the real news no more

    AND i hate to say it to the above jerk but it wont work , you cant tax the poor disadvanted for stuff thats supposed to be bought and sold and the idea is simple:

    If you can’t give it away how are you supposed to sell it. SO why would i pay FOR stuff that would get no sales or very few anyways from lazy artists and fat greedy publishing houses.

    ADD to fact we have consistently seen as case is in canada form a body that controls such things like the CRTC that they get shilled and bought off, govt is bribed er lobbied to be there interests in place of the people that elected them.

    TWO solutions:
    make it illegal for political parties
    and
    make it illegal for any lobbying

  • United Hackers Association

    P.S> when an artist immediatly speaks about money rather then the art and hte need for the art to be shared YOU KNOW they are not true artists.

    THEY are not i repeat artists. IF you are a true artist you would take what you can where you can and if needed do other work to get buy.

    Does the factory worker enjoy Asseblage-rights? As in the stuff he helps to create does he get a residual for each car he helps assemble? NO he gets paid right then and there and if he did the cost of cars would be so high only 5 people on earth could afford them and this leads me back to why the USA is tanking.

    This so called innovation the usa is leading? Well soon your going to run out of the money funding it all and thats cause they have outsourced all the IT jobs they can leaving DUMB ASS construction jobs left that YUP all that billions went to the bosses anyhow.

    how much yearly revenue does WoTC make form the OLD ancient 1978 DND books my guess NOT very much at all. YET try getting or using such stuff to remake old things or come up with new ideas.

    Without a stronger public domain we are all doomed.

    and with the new election all the neo cons did was stall , were going to now have the liberals to deal with on this issue and remember the folks that signed that copyright deal with geist.

    and the green party platform thats more robust logical, organized and set then the so called JOKE er pirate party. ( WHOM btw took 4 months to get54 signatures cause there leaders are jerks )
    so i’ll be voting green this go around

  • TheLoLTroll

    @51 .neo…. ‘Uhm, like most laws, you don’t have to worry about facing the other end, if you don’t do the crime.’

    Unless, of course, someone thinks you’ve broken the law, and are happy with the fact of only needing the better argument to prove it.

    ‘WHat pirates hate about these laws is simple : accountability.’

    Uh-hu, just like in old stasi germany, where people just didn’t want to be accountable for their crimes against the state. Sorry, but like most people in old stasi-land, pirates also tend to want two things, which are their civil liberties and free legal access to legal content that they can legally use on what ever hardware and software they choose, i.e. basic civil and consumer rights.

  • CRIAp

    @ .neo.troll|nvDX

    The more you write, the more I’m convinced that you work for the RIAA and/or MPAA.

    The reason is, never ONCE have you ever even strayed from your usual RIAA/MPAA loving diatribe. Never once have you ever had sympathy for a dead person being sued, a low income family being sued, families being destroyed, and you have certainly never felt sympathy for a university student’s entire future being completely destroyed; all because of shared patterns of 0′s and 1′s. You’ve also always stated that everyone is guilty no matter what. You’re a definite RIAA/MPAA troll, 100%.

    I’ll bet you even have sympathy for Sony when they stole recordings from music artists such as this guy:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/07/sony-mexico-alejandro-fernandez

    You’re an RIAA/MPAA misinforming, gutless, spineless, remorseless, sociopathic troll; plain and simple. Keep trying though, because your ignorance is backfiring. It’s making more and more people despise the RIAA/MPAA and you are helping destroy their businesses by ensuring that pirates continue to share 0′s and 1′s.

  • Bobe-On (Trudeau)

    .neo.styles|nvDX wrote:

    “Uhm, like most laws, you don’t have to worry about facing the other end, if you don’t do the crime.”

    It’s not as black and white as that.
    Laws can be, and have been, struck down as unjust.

    “WHat pirates hate about these laws is simple : accountability. They have to actually act like a mature person and take responsibility for their actions.”

    So do those who draft unjust laws divorced from reality.

    “They are used to a world in which they can just sit in their little bubble, and no one will care or know about anything they do online.”

    To quote our late Prime Minister Trudeau: ‘The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation’.

    The industry has even LESS business.

    I wrote:

    “I would think that one would have to be pretty insane to be releasing works in this day and age, literally to the digital wind, and expecting no one to pick up, copy and share what’s blowing around.”

    .neo.styles|nvDX responded:

    ” ‘It’s easy to do the wrong thing, so that makes it okay’ doesn’t work. If I wanted my neighbors TV, there is nothing to stop me from taking it, but does that make it okay?”

    That’s a flawed premise/analogy. A TV set isn’t information. Incidentally, people here are throwing out all their old TV sets! They seem to have become somehow redundant. If you want a TV set, all you have to do is pick one up at the side of the road. Nice, if flawed, example. ;D

    I wrote:
    “It seems to be becoming that way, given all kinds of copyrighted ‘digital paper’ blowing around like garbage after an outdoor concert.”

    .neo.styles|nvDX responded:
    “This just proves how much the internet has misled people.”

    On the contrary: I suspect that you have been mislead, and would do well to get up to speed on the other side of the argument. TF’s article above has some links of interest in this regard.
    Have you read Cory Doctorow?

    I wrote:
    “Well if it’s, as you say, ‘our’, music, movies, etc., then why should we pay for something that’s already ours?”

    The response:
    “I meant, it’s yours after you pay for it…”

    Haha of course you did. ;)

    “So in other words, pirates have the right to tell people what career they should choose. Or how about this.. Show me an actual business model that works.”

    Sweetie, there is the risk of becoming a victim of one’s own sophism and a potential danger that, the more one relies on it, the less they may be able to think clearly, or to appear to make sense.

    As for the business model; that’s the industry’s problem.

    Businesses come and go; civilizations rise and fall.

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  • Mik

    The industry and their government lackeys seem to be defending a business model centered around scarcity, when they’re product exists in a realm that HAS NO scarcity.

    The only thing of value a musician has is their talent. The 5 BILLION copies of their released single that float around the net have an effective cost of zero. People are intuitively smelling something funny in this arrangement and are reacting accordingly.

    Someone mentioned the internet as ‘Digital wind’. That is precisely correct. Our global network is no different then an artist walking into a crowded Times Square and starting to play. They have no control whatsoever over who or how many people hear their music. It is a public place and the very air carries ‘copies’ of their sound vibrations without predjudice to everyone around who can hear.

    The internet is nothing more then the digital equivalent of air with the entire planet effectively within ‘ear shot’. Trying to control the internet with packet inspection, logs and road blocks is as invasive and morally reprehensible online as it would be in the real world. Like putting cameras and recorders on everyone’s shoulders so everything we say or do is captured by the authorities and scanned for anything ‘against the public good’.

    We’d have a nice, safe, predictable, regulated, law-abiding world indeed. And we would be slaves, afraid of turning our heads without approval or saying even the simplest of things for fear of upsetting someone, somewhere ‘on high’.

    No sane population would allow that in the real world, why should we allow that online? That’s the underlying threat to bending over backwards to protect one industry’s profits and business plans. The ‘cures’ they want to foist on us have the potential to be massively more disruptive to the public good then any damage we do to them.

    If it means actors and musicicians are ‘reduced’ to little more then travelling bards, eeking out a living via live performances rather then off electronic copies of same, so be it.

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  • Mr. Briggs

    @61: But don’t you see, that’s exactly what they want. A world where everybody abides by the law perfectly because they’re afraid to do otherwise. It leaves much room for abuse, because the law is not always good.

  • Mr. Briggs

    @64 (my previous post):

    What I meant was that people will abide the law unquestioningly, which is never a good thing. Even in the case of the law against murder, you can question the law, but it will affirm itself.

    And because the people are afraid to even question the law, the recording labels and even the government have a blank cheque with the people’s names written on it.

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  • Bobe-On

    The consultation is offline at the time of this writing, but the deadline for a submission has nevertheless apparently been extended two days to Tuesday, September 15th..

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